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Oh man, did he carry the chicken
as well? 

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Is the chicken with him? 
That's what he should have. 

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I need to go. 
He should. 

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Have. 
Oh my God, have. 

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The chicken he did the next 
Charlemagne. 

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Phenomenal. 
That would be so funny. 

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That would be great. 
Because bro, when we're talking 

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about super cool generate 
generating clips, yeah, because 

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I'm just saying because we want 
to talk about generating clips 

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on the Internet. 
Or something. 

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That's a big thing, yeah. 
Like. 

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Yeah, you have to clip for a man
like bringing a chicken to 

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breakfast club would be actually
very interesting. 

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What's up guys? 
And welcome to episode 132 of 

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the 30% podcast where we talk 
about the Kenyan music industry.

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I go by the name AFA Mehfuna. 
My Co host goes by the name Sam 

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Jedidiah Ari. 
And we have prepared for you 

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guys the best episode yet. 
Honestly, strap your seats, like

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get strapped in and just get 
ready for an experience. 

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Am I right some? 
I I don't be doing that, don't 

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be doing that, because what 
happens when you have like a 

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really bombing episode, like 
it's just just goes left and so 

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it's not the greatest, then 
you've already hyped yourself in

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the beginning. 
So the reason I actually bring 

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this up is called I. 
I realize what the term for what

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I just did is. 
Do you know what it is, Sam? 

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It's called aura gambling. 
Have you ever heard of aura 

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gambling? 
Yeah, this new, this new terms 

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of the Internet is, is coming up
with aura farming, aura 

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gambling, which is just, it's a 
lot. 

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So aura aura gambling is when 
you declare something really 

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brazenly and your aura is on the
line and so and so if you pull 

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it off like you, you will 
definitely, definitely increase 

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your. 
Aura. 

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Aura Gambling. 
That was aura gambling. 

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If you don't pull it off then 
you'll just be in aura debt, 

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yeah. 
Aura Debt. 

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Yeah. 
I don't know why that, but it 

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makes sense. 
It makes sense for for 2025. 

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So if you guys want to be aura 
gamblers, like join me because 

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listen, it's where it's at man 
bro Actually I really like it 

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because like you, you actually 
have the pressure you have you 

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have pressure to like deliver 
when you aura gamble man listen,

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no, join my wave, son, join, 
join the wave. 

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That's. 
Put in the the the cart before 

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the horse. 
Listen, some people like 

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swinging on their heads 
actually, and I'm just, I'm just

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one of those, man. 
I like to live on the edge 

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because I or a gamble. 
In what in what other ways are 

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you or a gambling in your life? 
Let's let's well. 

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If I was to, if I was to talk 
about them, I, you know, like I 

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can't give away all my sauce, 
man, you know what I mean? 

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So. 
All right, what's going on? 

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Yeah, I asked you first, man. 
You. 

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How are you? 
What? 

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What have you been up to? 
I am all right. 

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I'm all right. 
I'm just deep in the throes of 

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work. 
So that's that. 

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Nothing interesting. 
I haven't been out. 

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I've done nothing this week. 
I stayed at home and went out 

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and came back and didn't do 
anything important. 

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It's errands, it's life stuff. 
So I haven't, I haven't been to 

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anything musical, any music show
in a long time. 

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And what seems like a long time,
honestly, I need to change that.

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I don't know what's coming up 
next, but I need to go for it, 

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whatever it is. 
Yeah, I might need to hit. 

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I might need to hit up some 
other. 

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I might need to hit up some 
other people who who actually 

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just the one person, the one 
person who puts me onto shows. 

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I might actually do that because
I need, I need to be outside. 

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It's it's been these four walls 
for a long time. 

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So yeah, yeah, I need to go 
touch the streets, see what the 

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streets are saying. 
But apart from that, nothing 

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else. 
Just getting to the groove. 

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Music. 
What have you been doing? 

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Hopefully your life is more 
interesting than mine. 

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Marginally, marginally. 
The, the, the weather last week 

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was horrible in New York, man. 
It was rainy, it was gloomy. 

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It was just like depressing. 
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like we had kind of gone over 
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Clearly not, although the 
weather this week looks very 

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promising. 
So hopefully more outdoor 

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activity been paying attention 
to a lot of just like NBA, for 

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example, because you know, the 
Knicks are in and and by the 

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way, guys, I'm really not an 
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but the New York Knicks have 
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And then the conference final. 
So this is just like a palpable 

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energy in in New York right now.
Do you feel, do you feel 

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obligated to support the Knicks 
because you're in New York? 

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Why can't you like just go? 
For it. 

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So yeah, that's that is 
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definitely something that I've 
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obligated to but for some reason
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to them because their fan base 
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Like if you're on TikTok and you
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fans, like, just like there's a 
there's a slight similarity 

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between Knicks as an the Knicks 
as an organization and their fan

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base with the Arsenal fan base. 
This is a little bit of 

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similarity there. 
Like they're a bit like they're 

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very outspoken and kind of 
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And also unfortunately, 
unfortunately they haven't won. 

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They haven't won for a long time
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Yeah, that's the main 
similarity, right? 

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Goodness. 
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despite, like despite not 
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Their fan base is very unspoken,
which I mean outspoken, which 

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might remind you of a different 
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So anyway. 
Before before you go question, 

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question. 
So it's the World Cup, right? 

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Biggest sporting event in in, in
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And they put Nigeria and Kenya 
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That's why would you? 
Why? 

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Who are we going with? 
Just draw your lines right now. 

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That's a horrible question to 
ask me. 

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I decline. 
Why would you put me? 

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Why would you? 
Do that after you said this is 

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going to be the best episode in 
the world and then now you're 

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you're neglecting important 
information that will tell us a 

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lot about our our Co host. 
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and half Nigerian individual, I 
would hope that we both made it 

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out of the group stages. 
Actually, yes, I hope we both 

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make it out of the group stages 
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paths and then if, if and then, 
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Like if whoever makes it in the 
final stop. 

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Yeah, stop, stop, stop. 
Although I I think it's highly 

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unlikely that this to get to the
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But anyways, alright, let me 
just leave you alone. 

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Yeah, that was a horrible 
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Aside from that, I've been 
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This is the new season of Love 
Death Robots. 

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Have you ever watched Love Death
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I watched a few it's it's a very
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Honestly I like the whole 
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I just haven't gotten into it 
and some of the episodes I 

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watched were very like not as 
interesting, but I like the 

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concept of it's almost it. 
It's almost like Black Mirror in

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no way. 
It's in animated form. 

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I like, I like it for that 
reason, because it's it's very 

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unpredictable. 
You never know what the next 

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episode is going to be A. 
Different episode and stuff like

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that, yeah. 
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different story and is usually 
produced by a different like 

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production company. 
And so everything about it is 

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just going to be different, 
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So I like it. 
Although this new season, season

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4 was very, very underwhelming. 
Honestly, one of the is if we're

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ranking love death robot 
seasons, this was the last like 

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it it just was very 
underwhelming. 

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The first episode was was, and 
this is kind of music industry, 

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it was Red Hot Chili Peppers. 
They were performing one of 

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their songs and it. 
Was like they. 

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Were like, yeah, they were like 
marionettes or whatever. 

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And it's interesting and it goes
to the whole music marketing 

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like landscape, you know, it's, 
it's really evolved, man, like 

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in terms of how creative people 
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Thing is though, when I'm 
watching Love Death and Love 

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death robots, I I don't want to 
be marketed to or like, I don't 

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know, Yeah, I mean. 
I'd be honest with you, it did 

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feel a bit like when I was 
watching the episodes, like, OK,

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first, first of this is a really
cool idea. 

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Just having like your whole, 
your song be the whole episode 

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and it's it's, it's a new way to
put your song out there, right? 

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But you can't escape the fact 
that there's a label behind 

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that. 
It just makes it feel yucky 

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because I want, I want my 
entertainment to be 

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entertainment. 
Exactly like unbridled by the 

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you know, capitalism the exactly
So yeah, I I I I don't know they

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just wasn't the greatest season.
But the thing that I've that has

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really gripped the nation right 
now is streamers University. 

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This is Kaisernat and bro, I 
think it's so. 

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And I and I feel like the past 
three podcasts in a row, I've 

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started by talking. 
About I was about to say that 

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are we, are we going to start a 
new streaming segment? 

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If I'm gives us a story on 
streaming, maybe we should. 

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Maybe that's what the people 
want. 

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No, but it's it's just so 
compelling. 

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Obviously I haven't had time to 
pay attention to the whole 

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streaming university. 
Like like watch all this bro. 

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Like honestly, to be able to 
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you have to be very idle because
like the the streams, the 

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streams last for like the whole 
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What exactly is it? 
So, so streamers university or 

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streaming university was a 
concept come that was 

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conceptualized by Kaisenat. 
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he's such a big streamer. 
He wanted to put a bunch of 

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upcoming streamers who are sort 
of known as well as completely 

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like unknown streamers, like in 
one university and kind of show 

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them the ropes of how to be like
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And so there were, so he he got 
like a bunch of like big 

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streamers like DDG or like agent
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the streaming university. 
So one of the most interesting 

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ones. 
So OK, so the funny ones were 

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like DDG he had, he had a class 
on, on beef one-on-one and how 

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to win Internet beefs and stuff 
like that, which is jokes and 

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it's funny like everyone but 
agent. 

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His class was how to like make 
money on streaming, how to 

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monetize streaming, how to 
engage with brands, do brand 

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deals. 
Bro, he and he broke down. 

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He broke down how much money he 
makes per month on streaming, 

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like where the money is coming 
from, whether it's from 

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donations, whether it's from 
brand deals, whether it's for 

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mid roll ads and all that stuff.
He broke it down and broke he he

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was like, yo, yeah, this month I
made $321,000, which by the way 

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is insane. 
That's. 

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Sitting sitting in front of your
laptop camera. 

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I know man. 
Like, And then he broke down. 

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He broke down how like you know,
if you're doing streams in Q1 to

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Q3 or even just like making 
content between Q1 and Q3, like 

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it's very differently monetized 
than content. 

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I mean Q1, sorry, it's very, 
very differently monetized than 

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content that comes out in Q4. 
Like he broke down all that 

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stuff and that stuff is 
genuinely so informative. 

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Like anybody like if you're into
like creating content and you 

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want to stream and figure out 
how to do so, I really recommend

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that. 
You should watch that. 

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It's one of the most insightful 
things I've seen on the 

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Internet, honestly. 
Like, because he's really just 

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showing you like the source 
essentially, like where, where, 

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where else? 
Like, because, you know, all 

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these like all these content 
creators are very cagey when it 

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comes to how much they make and 
how it's done. 

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Nobody really wants to tell you 
how how to do that stuff. 

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So watching that was just 
amazing. 

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And yeah, I think he won the 
award for like the for the best,

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like professor. 
And then lastly, Jake yesterday 

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kind of gave like a speech 
thing, which is really cool. 

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Back to music and marketing and 
how everything is intertwined, 

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man. 
Like, man, yeah, yeah, that's 

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that's cool. 
I might actually check it out. 

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So wait, is it like you, you, 
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Kai's stream or everyone? 
OK, OK, so so and that's it. 

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I, I, but guys, I know we 
anyway. 

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Yeah, it's fine. 
So briefly. 

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I guess I don't know. 
You know, it's fine, but like so

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on Twitch, there was a whole 
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you watch Twitch, but like 
usually Twitch will have like 

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streaming categories, right? 
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for streamers university and 
you'd see everyone. 

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So, so Kai was trying not to 
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viewers would go to like the 
upcoming like streamers who are 

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in the university because the 
whole idea is for. 

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Them what did you call it? 
Or a or a gambling that's there 

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should be a term for what he 
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That's that's crazy. 
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No, no, that was really, really.
Yeah. 

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I'm not going to stream so. 
In my opinion. 

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It's your numbers. 
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because when he opened it like 
he had like 400,000 people 

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watching his stream, like when 
streamers university started and

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then he you know, and, and The 
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streamers who are there who, you
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people on their stream or 
something like that. 

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And yeah, there's people who 
those follower accounts really 

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grew like off of this thing. 
I think it's over now. 

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I think it ended yesterday. 
So yeah, bro. 

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And this is the biggest thing 
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entertainment right now, you 
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he had to turn down deals from 
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wanted to invest in the idea 
because it's genuinely a unique 

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idea. 
It's unique IP that's not been 

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done before. 
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being thrown around like CG two 
$250 million or something like 

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that. 
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these are accurate numbers, but 
like, bro, oh man, this is where

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entertainment is. 
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to like pay attention to, to 
what is like in, you know, and, 

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and, and I know a lot of times 
like our industry feels so 

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detached from what's happening 
in the West, but it shouldn't 

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be, you know, like it should. 
There was even a, there was a 

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Nigerian streamer who was in the
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It's called Shank. 
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and he was in the streaming 
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And it's just like, bro, like 
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Like, why not? 
I don't see, I don't see why 

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there's always a mental divide 
between these things and us, you

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know what I mean? 
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I mean, it's the same technology
that they have that we have, 

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right? 
It's, it's, we have all the same

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stuff. 
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Why are we so? 
Why are we so slow to uptake? 

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New? 
These are not even new ideas. 

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They're just ideas that are not 
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You know what I mean? 
Could it be just the consumption

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within the out there? 
More people are more people are 

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not prone to more people would 
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sit there and watch and and, you
know, donate and everything. 

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I think here that would be a 
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I think it's just the difference
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Maybe that's why it really 
doesn't work. 

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It's because we're not as a 
because we have everything. 

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We have all the same stuff we 
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Nobody has really tried though. 
Well, that's what. 

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Do you mean it won't work? 
Nobody has really put effort to 

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like try and be an IRL streamer 
or or a gaming streamer. 

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Like for real like with the real
effort, we can't say it won't 

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work until we've seen somebody 
try and fail. 

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Yeah, I mean, I've seen I've, 
I've, I've seen a couple of like

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game gamers, like Kenyan gamers 
on, on TikTok, like doing like 

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the small games, not like the 
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smaller mobile style games and 
the numbers are not terrible. 

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So that they are there. 
I guess. 

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I, I still feel like maybe the 
culture we've not yet caught up 

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to, to that kind of stuff. 
So we just need to support 

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streamers. 
I think just like we, we, we 

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request for music, that's how we
can push that that side of 

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things. 
Yeah, yeah, it's not, it's not 

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out of our luck. 
We have all the same stuff just 

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like in music, like we have all 
the same stuff. 

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We just need to go about it in a
more supportive. 

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Way yeah, we just have to go 
about it more yeah OK well into 

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the news and boy oh boy there 
was a. 

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Little bit of, a little bit of 
yeah, yeah yeah fight. 

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It wasn't a fight, but it was a 
bit for me. 

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What I would say was it was 
embarrassing, embarrassing. 

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You know how Drake says 
embarrassing on anyway, 

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nevermind. 
So Keitra Nada, along with the 

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rest of us, found out that he 
was supposed to perform in 

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Kenya. 
Oh yeah, Yep bro. 

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Bro performing bro he was he was
he was scrolling on social media

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and he was like wait, oh wait 
performing in Kenya. 

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Oh Dang, I. 
Need to tell my team step 

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practicing for that. 
That's crazy. 

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It's funny, but it's hilarious. 
It's it's, it's been a 

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hilarious, it was a hilarious 
like exchange. 

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Essentially what happened is so 
I'll start from the end and then

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I'll, I'll go to the beginning. 
So the address, which is a 

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popular. 
Oh, well, let's just say it's a 

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well known news outlet. 
It's a blog, it's on Instagram 

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and. 
They, they have a reputation, 

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let's say for talking on fringe 
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So just an example is they would
say like this is just an 

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example. 
You know how in, in news 

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articles or whatever, they'll 
say this is a dramatisation, 

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this is what that is. 
So they'll be like Beyoncé is a 

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Virgo and so is Calligraph 
Jones. 

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Do. 
We expect collaboration soon. 

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And honestly, I know what I've 
said sounds crazy, but they 

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would actually make a headline 
like that like that. 

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So it's it's, it's kind of like 
humor is like trolling because 

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because we all know they're 
trolling like so it's not like 

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we think they're being serious. 
So, but sometimes they also just

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credibly report on things. 
So it's just a mix of two, but 

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they're just having fun with it,
right? 

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So the other day they, they, 
they make a post, a bold post 

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that like save your money for 
catch another show in Nairobi, 

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bro. 
Yo, everyone is like in a 

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meltdown, bro. 
I think this might, this might 

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be not to be a pocket watcher, 
but this might be their most 

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liked post ever in history. 
I I think this, this is one of 

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the things they've gotten so 
much motion off of and everyone 

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was like super excite bro, 
listen me, I was in the DMS with

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people. 
I was like, wait, kitchen? 

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Kitchen. 
Are you going for the new 

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kitchen? 
Are you already asking, already 

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planning out your feet on what 
you're going to be doing there? 

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In the words of Ray Williams, 
Johnson, Until until Catch 

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Another commented first. 
He made two comments, One I 

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think he deleted. 
The first one he said was a 

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bunch of laughing emojis and he 
was like, who's the promoter? 

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I think he deleted that because 
I really looked for where he 

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commented that because I saw a 
screenshot of it, but I think he

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deleted it. 
My heart dropped and I saw that 

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and then he commented. 
You should be ashamed of 

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yourself to do this to your 
followers. 

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You all all should unfollow this
fraudulent page drops 

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microphone. 
I mean, that's kind of, that's 

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kind of that was kind of 
dramatic too from Ketcharada, 

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like. 
Ketcharada has a flair for 

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drama. 
He has a flair for drama. 

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A bit of salsa need to like 
just. 

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It's not that serious. 
I know you're involved, but. 

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Yeah, so bro some my heart sank 
to my stomach can't like seeing 

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that just made me feel so sad, 
embarrassed and just like like 

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why, why why is this happening 
right now? 

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Sorry man. 
So so so just to like before we 

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really talk about it properly. 
So what this whole story starts 

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is so on X somebody just 
randomly made a comment and 

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they're like, tell your faves to
bring us Keech another Chai Bebe

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Hadilini. 
So it was just a it was just a 

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throwaway tweet. 
And then Steph unruly. 

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I guess most people would know 
her as Steph the rapper and 

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industry people would know her 
as little miners manager works 

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at hassle salsa, ETC, ETC. 
She's like, oh, are you? 

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So she, she quote tweeted and 
commented and she said, oh, are 

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you actually ready? 
Eye emojis because he is :) 

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Kenyan flag oh, melts down. 
So that's where it actually 

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starts. 
So this happened even before the

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address. 
So the address found that tweet 

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and then kind of what like bet 
because you know, the address 

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will report on any like they 
don't, they won't Fact Check. 

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They won't do anything. 
Like if if they see something, 

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yeah, they're going to post it. 
So. 

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So here's the thing. 
I know Steph does not say things

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that are not founded in in in 
fact, like I know there's always

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something behind what she says 
when she says things. 

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So my estimation is that there 
were talks behind the scenes or 

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there are talks behind the 
scenes to bring Catch Another to

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the country. 
But they hadn't gotten anywhere 

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significant, probably. 
Probably and maybe his team were

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involved, but maybe those 
discussions hadn't even trickled

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down to catch another in the 
first place. 

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So I guess he also found out in 
the rest of it. 

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So I don't know some. 
What do you think? 

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How do you think this all plays 
out? 

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Like at the end of the day, do 
you think this situation is 

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detrimental towards actually 
having hit another come and 

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perform? 
Or do you think this shows him 

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and his team that, OK, despite 
this being a little bit of a 

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mess, there's so many people 
invested in seeing me come to 

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perform in Kenya. 
What do you think? 

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Well, I mean the first being in 
the industry like the I get so 

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jaded where the first thing I'm 
like, OK, is this like is this 

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part of the roll out? 
Because you really have to 

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consider everything being part 
of the roll out these days. 

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But I, I don't know, I, I think 
it could go either way. 

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I, I do feel like if, if, if 
Ketanada has a fan base and 

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their actual talks and it's 
still like a profitable thing 

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for him and his team. 
I don't know if this, this 

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completely push it puts him off 
performing in Kenya. 

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Like it's such a small thing. 
Although if you look at just how

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he said it, he did sound quite 
annoyed. 

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And artists are known to be 
Divas. 

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So it's like, you know what I'm 
going to I'm going to lock off 

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this whole region now because 
someone tweeted that I was 

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supposed to perform and I didn't
know. 

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I don't know. 
I he does have a lot of like we 

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were talking about it. 
He has quite in terms of his 

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style of music, that sort of 
election. 

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You know, I think there's it's 
very EDM adjacent. 

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So there would be a lot of 
people who would put a good 

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number. 
I don't say a lot a good number 

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of people who would possibly go 
for his show, you included, if 

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you were here. 
So he probably stands to gain. 

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I don't know, like, like I said,
I don't know if if he's he's 

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going to look at it and be like,
you know what, Kenyon, this is 

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actually terrible because Kenya 
has not had the best 

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international news or rather 
international international, a 

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good international reputation 
when it comes to shows. 

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So no, what do you think? 
I don't know. 

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Me, honestly, I would if I'm a, 
if I'm a promoter right now, I'm

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like, OK, there's an element of 
maybe the, the I was going to 

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say the gun was jumped. 
No one ever says that, but 

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somebody jumped the gun, right? 
There's an element of that. 

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I don't know how, I don't know 
if that's really detrimental, 

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like, because what really who, 
who really has been hurt by this

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whole situation? 
I mean, I, I think our 

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expectations are a little bit 
like, you know, because, because

448
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,800
I was in the DMS with so many 
people who are so excited, 

449
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,000
everyone was just excited, you 
know what I mean? 

450
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,680
So there there is. 
Before I even answer, there is a

451
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,960
like a so the the especially a 
lot of people in the alternative

452
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,840
crowd are thirsting for like 
different. 

453
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:26,280
Performance, yeah. 
Yeah, just did something 

454
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,920
different, like being brought to
Kenya because there's a lot of 

455
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,560
people who are like, Oh my God, 
yeah. 

456
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,120
Like I really would like just a 
different vibe. 

457
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,800
Like each another would be 
perfect, you know, because we're

458
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,160
kind of jaded from the same old,
same old, like headline has been

459
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:48,000
brought and that's valid. 
I mean, but it is also kind of 

460
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,600
niche because like the the same 
old, same old headliners keep 

461
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,560
being brought because there is a
market for that. 

462
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,960
So obviously not everybody like 
not everybody like even this 

463
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:03,440
whole Catch Another debacle 
isn't like a mainstream thing. 

464
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,480
Otherwise it would have been on 
Nairobi gossip Club or something

465
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,360
like that, you know. 
But I think they should 

466
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:15,240
definitely like the promoters 
should definitely use this as to

467
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,640
show them that if you guys do 
indeed decide to come here, like

468
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,040
everything is said, we have your
raids and everything, there is 

469
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:29,840
going to be a very engaged crowd
waiting for for you. 

470
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,000
And like, who's going to like 
really be supportive of the 

471
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,760
event and everything, which 
brought me to my second 

472
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,920
thoughts. 
So in what context do you think 

473
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,000
people would like to listen to 
Kate and others? 

474
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,720
Do you think it would be, you 
know, one of the Gondwana 

475
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:49,560
events, Kunye, like those kind 
of events or how do you think? 

476
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,240
Yeah. 
How do you think they would like

477
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,880
set up the show for like a KTR? 
Dang, I, you know, I think for 

478
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,520
Ketchen nada. 
I think what would work best 

479
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,040
would be I'm not, I'm, I'm when 
I, when I see him, I'm not 

480
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,040
thinking like a huge show. 
If anything, at most I'm 

481
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,800
thinking maybe like Alchemist, 
where it's still a little bit 

482
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,160
intimate, but the perfect 
setting would be, you know, like

483
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,120
this whole apartment, things 
that that go. 

484
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,840
I don't know what the time is, 
but it's like, yeah. 

485
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,200
That's really too small for 
that's. 

486
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,240
No, but I feel like that would 
be, I feel like I feel like he 

487
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,480
could do a couple of those. 
Like that would be cool. 

488
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,240
He'd have to do, he'd have to do
like 50 of those to like satisfy

489
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,400
the demand. 
Perhaps, perhaps, yeah, yeah, 

490
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,240
maybe, maybe like an like an 
alchemist to start. 

491
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,080
But then I just, I don't know, I
feel like Kitchenada would be 

492
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,200
like an intimate, more intimate 
setting than just on stage 

493
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,200
before. 
Because he did blow up like in 

494
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,000
the doing the boiler room sets 
and and usually it's it's very 

495
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,160
it's like usually just like a 
warehouse, like a small 

496
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,160
whatever. 
And like it's everybody's 

497
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,680
dancing and it's just, you know 
what I mean, boiler room, it's 

498
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,840
that type of vibe. 
So yeah, probably something 

499
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,440
similar to that. 
But I mean, yeah. 

500
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,000
And there's the when the when 
the year of the UNS, you know, 

501
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,680
so I feel like the year of the 
owns. 

502
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,760
It's also so cringe to laugh at 
your own jokes. 

503
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,000
Alpha anyway and. 
To refer to yourself in that 

504
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:28,040
person, you're 3 for three. 
Oh my God. 

505
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,960
You're 3 for three or a gambling
or a gambling. 

506
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,640
Let me you're living up to that 
gamble, Man, That's, that's 

507
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,720
crazy. 
No, I just had an. 

508
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,800
I just had an oral loss. 
Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

509
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,120
Or a depth -10,000. 
You still have a comment anyways

510
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,320
to. 
Redeem yourself, don't worry. 

511
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:50,560
I don't, I don't, but I think I 
think it happens. 

512
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,520
I think this show happens. 
So so Steph was on on Twitter 

513
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,800
and she was quite defensive 
because she was like, you know, 

514
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,080
she she she also has a 
reputation to uphold. 

515
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,840
And so she was like this, this 
whole thing is in cap. 

516
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,640
So she she showed a few 
screenshots of potential 

517
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,960
conversations that she'd been 
having, but. 

518
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,840
Do we know who those were sent 
by? 

519
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,280
I'm playing devil's advocate 
here. 

520
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,880
We don't know any info, but like
themselves, she does say that 

521
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,880
what the people who are on the 
docket or like they were 

522
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:35,160
considering would be Anderson 
Park, Keitra, Dada Amini, the 

523
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,280
Internet Gold Link, who by the 
way, I feel like Gold Link would

524
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,240
be the easiest to get because I 
think he's. 

525
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,360
Yeah, he's actually even been to
the country before. 

526
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,760
Cleoso Mahalia. 
Yeah. 

527
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,520
Those are the names that they 
that they were. 

528
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,720
I like clear soul and Mahalia I 
like. 

529
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,400
I like clean soul Mahalia too 
too. 

530
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,800
Sure, Mahalia has been a little 
bit cold now though. 

531
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,400
But. 
The alternative seed would go 

532
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,160
crazy for any of these names if 
if they brought for for me it's 

533
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:12,320
the Internet and K Janada. 
If those two like Bra like Sid. 

534
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,680
I've been a huge fan of Sid. 
I mean it. 

535
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,440
I know I have a Nashi Pai. 
She's listening to this. 

536
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,600
She's the biggest Amine fan in 
history of Amine fans. 

537
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:30,520
So yeah, bro, listen, if they 
can pull someone, this is a huge

538
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,480
aura gamble, Sam. 
This is real aura gambling right

539
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,640
here by even releasing this 
screenshot so by Steph. 

540
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,480
That was the real, that was real
aura gambling too. 

541
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,760
That was like, yo, and it's, 
it's, it's the boldness at which

542
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,560
at which you put the emoji and 
everything and it's like, you're

543
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,920
like, it's almost like a done 
deal. 

544
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,080
So hey, we'll see, let's see, 
let's see, let's see what 

545
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,920
happens. 
But Katrina nada, if you're 

546
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:01,320
listening to this, we love you 
in Kenya and my name is AFA 

547
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,600
Mehfena and I would love to 
collaborate with your. 

548
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,640
Music. 
That's not, no, that's not what 

549
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,719
we're doing. 
Look what you're doing. 

550
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,880
Yeah, man. 
Look what you're doing. 

551
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,679
You really don't have to shoot 
your shot, no. 

552
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,800
No, but no, no, but no, no, no. 
But seriously though, if he does

553
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,840
come to Kenya, like imagine like
we just played like we are Nubia

554
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:25,639
or like Labdi or Zaituni one boy
or or or. 

555
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,719
Get one of those. 
So on a catch another. 

556
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,600
On a catch another beat. 
Yeah, yeah, bro. 

557
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,040
Are you seeing the? 
Vision. 

558
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,800
Are you seeing? 
I see the vision. 

559
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,880
The in our brain is like. 
Fire. 

560
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,239
Like yes you have. 
To do a draft, though, you have 

561
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,320
to do a draft, you have to do a 
draft, a top three draft of we 

562
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,719
so. 
I so so I know I know people 

563
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,920
will will instantly put Karoon, 
Zinnia, Maya, Molo, ETC on the 

564
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,040
on that list which is cool, but 
personally I think let's stay 

565
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,400
away. 
From let's stay away from the 

566
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,800
from the the the popular popular
ones. 

567
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,000
Let's. 
Put on me personally, I think if

568
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:12,600
he puts Zaitouni Wambui on a 
track, it's listen, it's over, 

569
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,200
man. 
We're we're we're done. 

570
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,880
Like Kenya is out here. 
We're out here. 

571
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,080
You know what I mean? 
If Keitra another puts Zaitouni 

572
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:25,760
Wambui on a song, this going to 
open up so many, so many doors 

573
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,640
for us. 
Yeah bro, bro, so many doors are

574
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,680
going to open. 
But but but then just because of

575
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,840
the nature of things and the 
reach and everything, if it did 

576
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,000
come, it would be like one of 
the universal artists on like on

577
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,960
Jarai would probably get the 
look or something like that. 

578
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,000
Oh yeah, label partnerships and 
relationships. 

579
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,400
Yeah. 
Unfortunately, but but, but for 

580
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,840
me, that's what I'd put. 
Who would you put? 

581
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,560
And then you can move on to the 
next topic. 

582
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,520
I would I like your Koso Jung 
shot. 

583
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,560
I would like him to partner with
someone who is not like 

584
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,520
mainstream and not, not, I don't
not mainstream sounding like not

585
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,120
the Afro pop mainstream, like 
someone who has more vernacular 

586
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,400
in their in their music. 
Like I would like to see that 

587
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,160
just because it's I think that 
would be that would be really 

588
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,320
cool to see just what the 
product will turn out to be. 

589
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,960
So I might put Koso Jung in 
there. 

590
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,840
I don't know one of the others 
or one of the other vernacular 

591
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,800
artists. 
OK, OK, that's a shout. 

592
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,160
That's a shout. 
What? 

593
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:31,360
Let's go. 
Let's see what happens. 

594
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,840
I mean, let's see what happens. 
We had talked about blankets and

595
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,000
wine. 
They was it last week when they 

596
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,360
announced that they are going to
have a show in Uki think that's 

597
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,440
going to be in September. 
But the June edition of blankets

598
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:50,160
and wine, the June edition of 
blankets and wine the the line 

599
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:55,880
up has been revealed and it 
honestly looks it it's it's an 

600
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,400
interesting lineup. 
It's an interesting lineup. 

601
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,160
Some expected names, some 
unexpected names. 

602
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,600
I just I guess I just run 
through some of the names 

603
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,960
Mainstage. 
We we are going with Mikasa who 

604
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,600
have been around for a minute 
too, like they've they've, I 

605
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,680
like that longevity. 
Matata just going to be around, 

606
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,640
Saru and Saru are going to be on
the mainstage. 

607
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,200
Well, which is I mean that's 
pretty diverse. 

608
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,320
That is pretty diverse. 
Matata and Saru with that 

609
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,960
Genghetone fusion Afrobeats and 
everything. 

610
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,360
And then Saru is more of a like 
here. 

611
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,480
It is like a folk music type 
stuff. 

612
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,320
So so that would be really cool.
That would be really cool. 

613
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:49,520
Shad Miziki and We are Nubia, 22
artists who I mean two artists 

614
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:54,200
22 Shad is an artist and then We
are Nubia, the artist group who 

615
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,920
I'm really enjoying at the 
moment. 

616
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,320
I really like what Shad Music is
doing. 

617
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,920
I like his music. 
I think it's and it's 

618
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,760
interesting. 
I like his voice and just how he

619
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,240
flows on tracks. 
And then of course we are newbie

620
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,840
are really starting to pick up a
little bit of steam. 

621
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,760
So they'll be on stage as well. 
And I really like that they've 

622
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,600
been put up there. 
Yeah. 

623
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,040
And then Tanzania, Seidi 
Carroll, I'm not very familiar 

624
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,640
with that artist. 
Uganda's Joshua Baraka would be 

625
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,560
up there. 
Joshua Baraka. 

626
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,400
I mean, Joshua Baraka has his 
team has done well in terms of 

627
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,880
just pushing him well, seemingly
from from outside. 

628
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,080
His team has done well in terms 
of just pushing him and having 

629
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,680
him just be visible in front of,
I mean be visible. 

630
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,920
And, and in terms of just the 
music and also his presence, 

631
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,200
Like you've seen him collaborate
with the likes of Joe Boy and 

632
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,720
he's been on, he's been with UK 
producers, Nigerian producers. 

633
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:50,400
He's just been all over the all 
over the place. 

634
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,120
So shout out to him and the work
that he's been putting in and 

635
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,840
just the confidence that he's 
and the growth I think he's 

636
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,920
shown. 
Yeah, he's definitely a star. 

637
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,960
So so that and then you have the
Oja Oja stage, which is more 

638
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,080
electronic music, dance music, 
and you can expect performances 

639
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,640
from Akoth Jumadi. 
Shout out to her, Mr. Lu, shout 

640
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,040
out to Mr. Lu. 
Coco Kahi DJ's is that 4 Ivy and

641
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,320
Boon? 
I don't know how to pronounce 

642
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,360
that. 
I'm so sorry if I'm butchering 

643
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,320
that. 
And then Geddy Hiri by Paps will

644
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:28,600
be on stage as well as DJITEITE.
I'm so sorry, I apologize. 

645
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:33,720
But yeah, that's a couple of 17 
top tier African artists across 

646
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:35,600
2 stages. 
What do you think of that line I

647
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:40,080
perform? 
Well it depends on how they do 

648
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,440
the the the set list and how 
everyone is ordered. 

649
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,640
Because I remember a big let 
down people had from the last 

650
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:53,000
edition of blankets and wine. 
Was that like in Jedi Watenda 

651
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,400
Wheeli? 
I think even Zinnia were 

652
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:02,320
performing way earlier than they
should have and then nobody 

653
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:09,960
really liked the closing acts, 
which I believe was Nyashinsky. 

654
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,360
Necessary noise and work 
Cardinally. 

655
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,800
I don't think anyone had beef 
with necessary noise but I think

656
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,520
Work Cardinally and and 
Yashinsky were huge let downs 

657
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,800
so. 
Where we had the whole question 

658
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,000
about playing playing safe 
versus putting new people on. 

659
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,520
Yeah. 
So hopefully, I think they just,

660
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,480
you know, figure out the the 
flow of the show well, and these

661
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,880
names should suffice for a good 
show. 

662
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,800
I don't know anything about 
Cider Carole, so or Cider 

663
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:44,880
Carolee. 
Sorry. 

664
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,080
So that's interesting. 
Like you said, Joshua Baraka is 

665
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,120
such a star. 
So, yeah. 

666
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,840
And it's good to see the likes 
of Mr. Lu Hiribai. 

667
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,760
You know, Sam and I were talking
like those are those are 

668
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,920
SoundCloud. 
OG SoundCloud Legends. 

669
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,640
SoundCloud legends in their own 
right. 

670
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,520
Yeah, for sure. 
They've been around for a while.

671
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,480
It's so good to see the 
SoundCloud influence like it's 

672
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,440
still, you know, it's still 
pushing still. 

673
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,800
Getting main stages, yeah. 
Yeah. 

674
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,920
I mean, Matata, Matata have had 
a huge, huge like year. 

675
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,600
Obviously, I don't know if we 
can expect Bien to perform with 

676
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,840
them, but if he does, that's 
going to like finish everyone. 

677
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,960
Everyone is just going to be 
like in awe. 

678
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:40,800
So yeah, it looks good. 
Looks good, yeah. 

679
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,360
And I'm happy for, I'm happy for
the likes of Shad Music and We 

680
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,920
Are Nubia. 
So I feel like I've really just 

681
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,480
echoed. 
A lot of no, but yeah, no, it's 

682
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,080
it's a good said it's a yeah, 
it's a good, it's a, it's a 

683
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,680
decent enough lineup. 
The thing about putting on shows

684
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,120
is that you can't please 
everyone. 

685
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:02,040
And so you really just go with 
whatever your agenda is, 

686
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,720
whatever you're trying to do. 
So like, yeah, you can't be mad 

687
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:06,920
at it. 
Hopefully again. 

688
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,240
And hopefully they're they're, I
mean, these are interesting 

689
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:11,320
names, like just hopefully the 
sequencing and everything would 

690
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,080
be good so that they can avoid 
what happened the last time. 

691
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,520
But they they really stayed away
largely from that previous 

692
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,080
group, which is smart in the in 
the something different. 

693
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,160
Yeah, put some, yeah, put some 
new people on. 

694
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,840
So if you had to, I do hope this
goes well. 

695
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,240
I was going to ask if you had to
curate a show, right? 

696
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,640
And I'm not talking about like 
artists, I'm talking about 

697
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:43,600
creating a, a concept like 
blankets and wine, which is such

698
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,560
an, it's a simple concept, 
right? 

699
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,800
In terms of you go outside, 
you're drinking with your 

700
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,240
friends, you sat on the grass 
ETC. 

701
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,920
I don't know if we are giving 
our ideas our IP but some if you

702
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,680
had to come up without the new 
in thing for Kenyans to partake 

703
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,760
in as far as our show is 
concerned, do you have any ideas

704
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,720
of what would it be? 
What did it look like? 

705
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,800
Oh man, wow, I don't know. 
I don't know. 

706
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,320
I'm, I'm thinking I'm, I'm like 
leaning more towards like a 

707
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:25,880
creative thing. 
So almost like a one hour it's 

708
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,280
it's like a a content room with 
the streaming as well. 

709
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,760
So the good merge that we 
streaming content room where you

710
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,160
have a lineup of artists and 
they just walk into a studio and

711
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,600
you create, create, create, and 
then they leave and then someone

712
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,920
new comes in and then just keep 
working on the same song and 

713
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,320
you're allowed to change 
elements. 

714
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,160
Not allowed to scrap it 
entirely, but you're allowed to 

715
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,640
change elements. 
And then they just keep doing 

716
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,200
that until like your whole 
lineup is exhausted and then 

717
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,520
like seeing what you come up 
with, like that's not a big 

718
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,040
show. 
It's not something that that you

719
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:58,800
can. 
Yeah, that's more. 

720
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,760
Yeah, that's more. 
Yeah. 

721
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,600
That would be interesting, 
almost like a roulette of 

722
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,040
artists and producers just 
working on music. 

723
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,880
I don't know why. 
Part of my brain, you see these 

724
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,600
guys who when you were here, did
you see that? 

725
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,760
These guys who were on the road 
doing acrobats. 

726
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,520
Yeah, all the time. 
I feel, I feel them all the. 

727
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,840
Time, give them their own show. 
I'd give them their show. 

728
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,720
Like sometimes it just looks so 
sad. 

729
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,760
I mean, they're always smiling 
and happy, but then there's On 

730
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,680
the road just yeah, they 
perform. 

731
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,160
Like I'd give them their whole 
show and then incorporate music 

732
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,880
into it somehow. 
But yeah, I don't know. 

733
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:39,120
It's not 2 very creative ideas, 
but that much I'd probably think

734
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,400
about. 
Ideas nonetheless. 

735
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,560
Ideas nonetheless. 
No, no, I actually like them. 

736
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,960
I like them. 
Back in the day. 

737
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,920
This is a really music industry 
but me and my cousin had this 

738
00:44:52,920 --> 00:45:03,000
idea to like create a event 
similar to blankets and wine but

739
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:09,440
catered towards watching shows 
and so people would would go to 

740
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:14,240
an outdoor space and watch a 
show together. 

741
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:19,600
So for example, like in the 
height of Game of Thrones, for 

742
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,240
example, right? 
And every Sunday there's a new 

743
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:27,080
episode. 
Like imagine having an event 

744
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:32,600
where you go outside and there's
500 people and you're all sat 

745
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,840
like on bales of hay or 
whatever. 

746
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,320
There's a projector and you're 
all experiencing it for the 

747
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,080
first time together. 
What do you think of that as an 

748
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,040
event? 
I mean, that's cool, isn't, 

749
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,760
isn't that? 
Don't people already do that 

750
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,960
with the we did? 
So we had. 

751
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,200
Were you guys the originators? 
We had, we had this idea like 

752
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,800
like over 10 years ago. 
So yeah, obviously it's been 

753
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,080
done. 
But like, yeah, that, that, that

754
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,440
was our idea at the time. 
So it's been done already by 

755
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,400
now. 
But like, yeah, yeah. 

756
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,000
In terms of yeah, I don't, I 
don't have any other idea, but I

757
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,160
think that would be cool though.
Like for it to be like a regular

758
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,160
thing. 
It would anyway. 

759
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,120
It would be. 
It would be well. 

760
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,320
Yeah, that's, I mean, looking 
forward to the show. 

761
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,680
Hopefully it goes well. 
I really, I mean, let me not 

762
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,080
make any promises, but then I 
really need to start attending 

763
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,040
some of these shows as well so 
we can really, really see what's

764
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,760
happening on the ground. 
But yeah, shout out to them and 

765
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,840
shout out to Madoni. 
She's been doing this for a long

766
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,120
time. 
I was looking at at her 

767
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:41,560
interviews years and years ago 
about when she had just like 

768
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,720
started blankets and wine and 
like what she's trying to do and

769
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:46,960
what she's trying to achieve. 
And it's good that she's kept 

770
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,920
going. 
So shout out to her and her 

771
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,280
team. 
She did that. 

772
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,640
She did that. 
Man, the artists. 

773
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:59,560
Hi man no music can I start 
because I feel like I didn't 

774
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,640
listen to too much so. 
Sure. 

775
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,280
Go ahead because you're making 
very bold assumptions there that

776
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,640
I listen to a lot. 
But go ahead, go ahead. 

777
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:17,440
Listen. 
OK so I listened to Overdose by 

778
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,520
Nadia Mukami and Bensol. 
Also congratulations to Nadia 

779
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,560
Mukami. 
She used the opportunity to 

780
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:31,640
announce that she is expecting a
child so shout out to her man. 

781
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,560
Then I listened to Wasuppa by 
Breeder, Tipsy G and What Tender

782
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:42,640
Willie Abanton is still alive 
and kicking. 

783
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:47,800
They sampled Bambika, the 
bambika bambika nahingoma Noma 

784
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:51,600
so shout out to them. 
It was a dope song. 

785
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,000
It's it's interesting to see 
what Howard and I Willie are 

786
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:01,280
diversifying their sounds and 
where they lend their voices to.

787
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,760
Do I have thoughts? 
All I hope is that they don't 

788
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,760
declare. 
You if you have to ask that 

789
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,640
question, if you have to ask 
that question, then you 

790
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,480
definitely have no, no. 
No, I love you like to hear 

791
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,160
those thoughts. 
No, no, right now I love it 

792
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:22,480
because right now they're at the
they're they're they're it's at 

793
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,760
the point where it's still 
tasteful. 

794
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,280
You know what I mean? 
I just don't want them to dilute

795
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,520
their essence. 
But right now it's it's fine. 

796
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,120
Right now we're they're they're 
at a very good level and I like 

797
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,320
it. 
So yes, that those are my 

798
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,040
thoughts. 
Let's see. 

799
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:44,880
I also listen to within by new 
funk, you know, very creative 

800
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,680
sound. 
I love how he played around with

801
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:55,400
silence and delays and just like
that tension, that push and pull

802
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:03,320
in music very important. 
I also listened to Oh, I Sam, we

803
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,000
forgot to well, I would have 
liked us to have talked about 

804
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,120
this on in pre production. 
Yes, guys, we have pre 

805
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,960
production Giri Giri by Suzanne 
Owio and Prince Inda. 

806
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,400
That was a really good song. 
That was a really good song that

807
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,680
came out so. 
Shout out somehow skipped over 

808
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,040
that one. 
Yeah, shout out to Suzanne Owio.

809
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:30,760
I'm still out here releasing 
music and yeah, I lastly, I'll 

810
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:36,080
say I listened to Toxic 
lyrically. 

811
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,800
He released a song called Hood. 
Cool, cool. 

812
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,040
Along with those ones, I think 
I, I listened to Giuliani, 

813
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,560
Giuliani's music. 
I haven't had a Giuliani song in

814
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,640
a long time. 
So it's good to listen to him do

815
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,560
what he has been doing. 
Yeah. 

816
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:59,040
And then there's a a project 
that came out called From Yours 

817
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:05,440
Truly by Grand Gregg features 
Loki, Brenda Cuthra, a man for 

818
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,320
Mr. Frank White, which is the 
song that actually drew me to 

819
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,160
the album and a couple of other 
guys. 

820
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,160
So that was interesting. 
I haven't finished the project, 

821
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,280
but I do I like it. 
I like the album art. 

822
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,560
It's an interesting piece of 
music there. 

823
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:28,280
I probably give a more a more 
useful critique of of review 

824
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,040
when I'm done listen to the 
album, but that was cool. 

825
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:35,440
Critical, critical, critical. 
Release some music as well. 

826
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:37,680
Critical music is always 
interesting. 

827
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,120
Man. 
His music is just good times and

828
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,560
he's been he's been dropping a 
lot recently just trying to get 

829
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,120
some motion. 
So shout out to him. 

830
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,400
So it's good when an artist is 
doing that. 

831
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:52,440
He dropped, rolled out with Yard
Man, who was formerly known as 

832
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:57,120
Young L and yeah, taped by Slick
back. 

833
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:58,920
Do you remember Slick back? 
I talked to you about him. 

834
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,520
He's a guy who does like 
electronic ish strange music. 

835
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:06,240
Strange. 
Yes, I remember you mentioning 

836
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:07,800
that. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

837
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,800
So he also dropped and yeah, 
man. 

838
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,880
And just a couple of other 
joints that I kind of schemed 

839
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:19,560
over. 
But yeah, there wasn't, there 

840
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:24,040
wasn't like too much this week, 
honestly, that I resonated with.

841
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,920
But a couple of decent releases 
though. 

842
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:33,080
Yeah, I think there's also, I 
don't know if you mentioned Call

843
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,120
Me by request and Tesla. 
There's also there's also a 

844
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,320
dope, dope release. 
But Sam, I think we both agreed 

845
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:46,640
there was one song that we were 
fucking with by Joseph, who some

846
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,960
actually informed me is actually
really. 

847
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,240
Yeah, it's just negative or a 
point for you now because. 

848
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,320
I didn't know, I didn't know, I 
didn't know. 

849
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,120
His actual name was Joseph Bro 
me, I don't know me. 

850
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,920
I just be seeing people's names 
and I'm like, oh, OK, it's Joe 

851
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,160
face. 
That's interesting. 

852
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:11,760
But anyway, so he released a 
song called Gigi La Makata and 

853
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,640
Sam and I were really bumping 
this. 

854
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:19,000
So that's going to be our song 
to end the podcast. 

855
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,360
It's the way he was pronouncing 
some words there, that it's just

856
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,240
sometimes how you say things 
that just adds like some sauce 

857
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:27,880
to like the music, so. 
Yeah. 

858
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,600
I mean, it's it's a pretty 
interesting check because it's 

859
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,160
like storytelling and we don't 
see a lot of that. 

860
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,800
And I think he did that well in 
terms of just the way he 

861
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,280
delivered it like it's, it's 
interesting. 

862
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:43,440
So if he does, if he does. 
Do a video like he definitely 

863
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,080
should just really do a 
storytelling style of video. 

864
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,480
Yeah, I would love to lean lean 
into the whole story, like a 

865
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:58,880
whole cinematic, cinematic piece
and just just like. 

866
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,800
Polishing something like. 
Cool, I'd like to see that. 

867
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,080
That kinda major I usually do. 
Oh yeah man. 

868
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:08,840
For the end of the podcast, we 
are about to play the song Gigi 

869
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:47,240
La Makata by Jofis Black Market 
Records Pakka Pakka Pakka. 

870
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:26,200
Was Gigi La Macata by Joffes 
shout out to him man. 

871
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,200
And also Black Market records 
because these guys release every

872
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:35,800
week so I love the output and 
just the diversity of the music.

873
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:42,200
But some breaking news, breaking
news, breaking breaking news, 

874
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:47,760
man. 
So it looks like BN was or is on

875
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,160
Breakfast Club. 
This is so random. 

876
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,040
Why is he? 
What is what's the what's the 

877
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:54,720
air doing? 
Breakfast club, I mean. 

878
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,840
I mean from the on the off. 
I love it. 

879
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,080
On the radar announcement in 
Breakfast Club, I think they're 

880
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,160
really pushing. 
His team is really pushing for 

881
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,840
some recognition out there. 
Oh man, Did he carry the chicken

882
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,120
as well? 
Is the chicken with him? 

883
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:11,720
That's what he should have. 
I need to go. 

884
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:14,920
He should. 
Have Oh my God, I would have 

885
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:15,720
the. 
Chicken. 

886
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:18,480
Phenomenal. 
That would be so funny. 

887
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,840
That would be great. 
Because bro, when we're talking 

888
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,720
about super cool generate 
generating clips, yeah, because 

889
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:26,920
I'm just saying because we want 
to talk about generating clips 

890
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,080
on the Internet. 
Or something. 

891
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,200
That's a big thing, yeah. 
Like. 

892
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,600
Yeah, you have to clip for a man
like bringing a chicken to 

893
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,800
Breakfast Club would be actually
very interesting. 

894
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,480
You OK? 
So I mean, we haven't watched 

895
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,600
it. 
The interview is only 30 minutes

896
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,600
long, so I'll definitely watch 
it. 

897
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,760
It says bien on growing up in 
Kenya, breaking East African 

898
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:53,560
stereotypes, marrying his 
manager, new album and more. 

899
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,560
Oh, is he going to say it's 
called Alusa Continua? 

900
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,480
I hope he says it like for real 
there. 

901
00:56:58,640 --> 00:56:59,720
Oh. 
That's not the name of the 

902
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:01,360
project. 
That's not the name of the 

903
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,760
project. 
This is no, this is, this is 

904
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,560
it's cool. 
I mean, we do talk about being a

905
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,920
lot. 
It's it's, but he he's one of 

906
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,840
the artists that's really making
strides. 

907
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,640
So it's cool to see. 
I mean, I, I really don't know 

908
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,280
what to say about the, the, the 
album, I mean, the, the 

909
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,200
interview, but. 
We haven't. 

910
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:25,400
I mean, it's only been out an 
hour, so we're only just seeing 

911
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,960
this. 
So we're definitely going to 

912
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,800
watch this. 
But yo, listen, shout out to 

913
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,040
Bien representing Kenya, putting
us on platforms, just showing 

914
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,920
the world that Kenyans deserve 
to be on these platforms taken 

915
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,640
very seriously. 
Kenyan art to the world. 

916
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,800
Some don't. 
You agree? 

917
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,320
Should revisit that. 
I don't think we've lived up to 

918
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,520
you, to your aura, that Gumble. 
I don't know if that Gumble paid

919
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,640
off, but yeah, man. 
KE to the world. 

920
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,360
KE to the world. 
Sorry. 

921
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,720
World man, Mana, bald man, just 
representing us. 

922
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:10,960
Anyway guys, thank you for 
listening to this podcast. 

923
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:16,120
Thank you for supporting the 30%
podcast because by supporting 

924
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:20,000
us, you are supporting the 
Kenyan music industry and that 

925
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,480
is our goal. 
If you're new here, I usually 

926
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,920
like to end the podcast with the
three CS, which is essentially A

927
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:31,200
mantra that I have devised for 
myself to follow because I am 

928
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,000
not perfect and I am trying to 
grow. 

929
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,360
What are those three CS that I 
speak of, you ask? 

930
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,360
Number one, confidence. 
You always have to be extremely 

931
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:46,480
confident in your art, in your 
work, Be confident in yourself. 

932
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,680
And other people will see that 
and they will be interested and 

933
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,400
they will invest in you #2 
consistency. 

934
00:58:54,480 --> 00:59:00,400
Always, always be consistent 
both in how you are creating and

935
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:05,800
how you are releasing because 
consistency ultimately is what's

936
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,960
going to put you on. 
I think I saw Ronaldo talking 

937
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,680
about how it's not really about 
doing a lot of things at one 

938
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,960
time. 
No, it's about doing little 

939
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,400
things, but doing them all the 
time. 

940
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,840
And if you're consistent at 
doing things, that's more 

941
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,400
valuable than anything else. 
So be consistent. 

942
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:32,960
And lastly, craft, always work 
on your craft everyday. 

943
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,760
Just spend or spare a few 
minutes, even if it's just 10 

944
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,960
minutes of your day. 
We have 10 minutes. 

945
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:44,680
I know we all live very busy 
lives, but you can find 10 

946
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,200
minutes if you're on the bus 
somewhere, right? 

947
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,280
And you it's 10 minutes from 
home and you're not really doing

948
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,120
anything. 
You could read up on something 

949
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,880
in those 10 minutes and that 
information might actually be 

950
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,040
very helpful. 
So always work on. 

951
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,120
Your craft? 
Yeah, Sam. 

952
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,600
Thank you. 
Thank you for those three CS. 

953
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,280
We really. 
Do you think Sam? 

954
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:14,240
You, huh? 
Well, first, thank. 

955
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,400
Thank you 2. 
Do you think our aura gamble 

956
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,160
paid off? 
I think it did. 

957
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,400
No, I think, I think the single 
hundred did ruined it. 100 did 

958
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,200
ruined it with that stint where 
you had three, you had a major 

959
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:32,480
fumble, 3 minutes, 3/3 of 
disasters in one. 

960
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,600
And it's like, it's like winning
a football match and then and 

961
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:40,160
then all of us in 5 minutes the 
match is turned around and all 

962
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:41,920
of a sudden now you're chasing. 
That's what you did. 

963
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,400
I disagree, and I'm pretty sure 
the people listening also 

964
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,760
disagree with you so. 
How are you? 

965
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,560
Pretty sure you're always crazy 
about things about what the 

966
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,880
audience is doing. 
You're always sure about what 

967
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,680
the audience is doing anyway. 
I think that's for you. 

968
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,000
Not not for anyone else. 
That's that's only to make 

969
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,920
yourself feel better. 
But yeah, thank you guys for 

970
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,520
listening to us to go watch that
be an interview. 

971
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,640
We enjoy doing this and we will 
catch you guys in the next 

972
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:15,160
episode 133 of the 30% Podcast. 
We out.