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Hard work pays, of course, but 
to a certain extent, there's 

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certain limits, you know, like 
the industry. 

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Might you? 
The industry has gatekeepers. 

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It's just a fact. 
And if the gatekeepers, for one 

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reason or another do not like 
you or do not feel motivated to 

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put you in the position, then 
there's only so far you can go. 

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Nobody's saying you can't 
organically get to a point, 

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because you can. 
The. 

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What's going on everyone? 
Welcome to episode 122 of the 

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30% broadcast. 
My name is Sam. 

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I am joined by our family for 
now. 

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What? 
You sound like you're dying. 

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It's not like no, this is this 
is like the cleanest. 

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This is the cleanest I've ever. 
Done. 

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And then and now there's an 
issue with. 

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It. 
I like it. 

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No, no, no. 
There's no issue. 

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I like it. 
I like it. 

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OK, cool. 
Yeah, that's what you get from 

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me. 
Yes, the 30% broadcast. 

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And like I said, Sam Afam, I 
don't know what else to say. 

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Man, intros are so awkward. 
Why do we do intros as human 

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beings? 
See, now, you didn't have to say

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that. 
No, you were. 

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No, you were going so well. 
It was going so well, man. 

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Never miss an opportunity to to 
to have a dragged out philosophy

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talk. 
Why do we do intros? 

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Why do we feel the need to 
introduce ourselves before we 

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speak? 
Like it was so cool if we 

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started a podcast and we just 
started talking. 

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So MCSK and then we just go into
it like that's more intriguing 

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that hey guys, this is me. 
Hello. 

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Hi, you know who I. 
Am technically we kind of do no,

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but technically we do that 
though like because our podcast 

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usually starts with an out of 
context clip. 

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So technically we do that. 
I think introductions are good 

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man. 
Like you just have to. 

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But I do like non conventional 
storytelling. 

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You know, you know storytelling 
where like the you know, when 

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the movie starts at the end, and
then now when you see the 

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beginning is now when everything
makes sense. 

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Like, wait, what's, what's an 
example of that? 

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Do you do you actually have an 
example of you just? 

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OK, so they did that one thing 
on Netflix called Kaleidoscope, 

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the one where you could choose 
the order which you watch the 

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the show, the episodes. 
It was an interesting concept. 

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I mean, it was a bit of a 
cliche. 

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No, The thing is, it was a bit 
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like a money heist type thing, 
like where you you get like a 

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gang and then now you actually 
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But I thought that was an 
interesting concept. 

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Is there a story I can think of 
like that off the top of my 

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head? 
I would struggle but I do like 

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stories that start like in the 
middle and then the end and then

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the beginning like. 
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Yeah, man, yeah, man. 
That's cool. 

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Yeah, that's that. 
What's going on? 

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What's going on, man, is I'm out
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Nairobi, just getting lit, 
getting mixy. 

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OK, let me stop. 
Let me actually be myself. 

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Let me be my nerd self. 
Why am I acting like yeah like 

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what's wrong? 
With me be a New York self. 

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No, my New York self is very 
introverted, by the way. 

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So yeah, bro, it's been, it's 
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like this past two weeks has 
been crazy, man. 

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Just been everywhere, man. 
Just trying to like, let me tell

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you. 
I wish I could. 

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One slow down time 2 split 
myself into three because 

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there's so many people I want to
see, so many things I want to do

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and I feel like time is moving 
so fast like it's actually 

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insane like I really need. 
I need so much more time to do 

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what I need and then. 
If you split yourself into 

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three. 
Sorry. 

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Sorry to interrupt you this 
really important clarification. 

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If you split yourself into 3, is
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are there like 3 words like 
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one would be like an extroverted
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send that extroverted 3. 
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and then the other one is a 
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thoughtful. 
So he handles family and you 

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know, his, his, his. 
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who is just, I don't know, like 
what that and and if you split 

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yourself into 3, what 
personalities are you giving 

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those three and who are they 
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OK, so The thing is though, like
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because I feel like every bit of
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want to be. 
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want to be like with my family, 
I'll still need the fun aspects 

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of myself or the more 
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You know what I mean? 
I still need to lean on those, 

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but for interests of 
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could do it like that. 
Like just the side of myself 

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that's with my friends, fun, 
whatever. 

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And then the more sensible, more
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Yeah. 
You're a very. 

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Decent human being for my 
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And then maybe my creative side.
Maybe I want to go hang out with

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some creatives and make some 
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Maybe that's what I would do. 
But those are the three aspects 

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of myself. 
Well, you can. 

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Sorry, it's just you. 
So you built all this up just to

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like? 
Sorry man to bring me down. 

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Yes, that is exactly. 
Why I asked those questions? 

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Phenomenally. 
Specific questions. 

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Mean that is very mean Sam but 
anyway just to so that we're not

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like yapping for too much yeah I
it's been a really dope like 2 

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weeks. 
Honestly, if I could start it 

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again, I would start it again 
just so it doesn't end. 

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Been rolling out music? 
Yeah. 

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If you guys follow me on social 
media, you have seen that I'm 

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actively rolling out music. 
On. 

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Thursday exactly. 
Last Thursday I released a song 

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with the very talented Zoe Ken. 
Gotcha. 

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She was on a song called Top, 
which is the first single on my 

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EP. 
And Sam, let me tell you 

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something bro, Bro releasing 
music is something else, 

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especially when you are on the 
forefront because you and I are 

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used to releasing music. 
But like as producers and bro, 

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being on the forefront of things
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because it's like. 
Bro, you feel like you're 

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bearing your soul to the world. 
I feel like I feel so exposed. 

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I feel so exposed. 
Like you guys like me, like what

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I've created. 
But that's the artist I know. 

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Yeah, that's what art is Good. 
So just keep that in mind when 

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you critique someone and they 
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Like that's them bearing the 
soul and then you're like. 

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Mix horribly some If somebody 
was like yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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If somebody was like Yo Affan's 
music instruction, I might 

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crumble and die, followed by 
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Take it back, please. 
No, that's it's, it's a very 

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vulnerable process. 
Maybe that's why I've not really

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that much. 
That's the word, actually. 

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Yeah, it's very vulnerable. 
It's ridiculous. 

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It shouldn't be. 
Yeah, but it is. 

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But I, I want to take this time 
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been like reposting, there's 
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listen to the podcast who have 
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So I just want to tell you guys,
thank you so much, man. 

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And yeah, OK, you know, let me 
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I was just thinking, oh, here 
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Goes. 
I know, yeah. 

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But it's it's who I am. 
Why don't you want me to be 

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myself? 
OK, you're allowed. 

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You know what? 
You're allowed to be sentimental

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2 times. 
So this time I'm going to, I'm 

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going to give you sentiment. 
And then when the when the 

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project drops fully you can be 
sentimental but for only like 5 

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minutes. 
I'm going to be so sentimental 

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on Friday anyway. 
Yeah, that, that that that's how

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my week has panned that. 
How about yours? 

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That's cool. 
How was I was thinking about it 

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actually recently. 
I don't I'm working on so that I

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mean, I've I've talked, I've 
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So I don't really want to talk 
about it. 

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And there's a whole thing of 
until it's ready, don't like, 

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don't, don't tell people about 
it in case you don't end up 

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doing it. 
But then I've been working on 

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the lo fi stuff. 
I've been planning to release. 

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I'm getting excited for that. 
But then again, it's the 

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vulnerability. 
I'm like, what if one person 

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listens to it? 
But if that one person likes it,

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I guess it's it's it works, 
right? 

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But yeah, yeah, it's just that 
preparing for that release 

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because I have been planning 
that for years now. 

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So it has to come out at some 
point and nothing else, nothing 

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else, just chilling, just 
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Do you want to tell people where
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like, oh, I'm. 
So terrible at that. 

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No, no, no. 
So the the whole thing that I 

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don't want to say the concept 
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it's loosely is a concept and 
really it's a collection of lo 

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fi music, of chill music, 
ambient, downtempo, just that 

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kind of relaxation. 
Almost it's almost what do you 

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call it? 
Like what's what's the genre 

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that like the genre that people 
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disturbed to cum them? 
OK, that came out. 

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That's not that's not what I 
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That's not what I meant to say. 
That's not what I meant to say. 

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So what's I can't it's oh man, 
I'm forgetting the term. 

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But then there's a term that of 
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There's a term of music that 
that really it's Oh no, see, I'm

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even thinking about it wrong. 
Music therapy. 

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So it isn't exactly music 
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It's lo fi music. 
It's all that stuff. 

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But then it's more of like a 
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But it's really it's a 
collection. 

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It's a collection. 
It's going to be me producing 

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people from all over our farm is
going to be on there at some 

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point, just random producers 
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I want to make it more of a 
collection type thing where a 

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bunch of artists come together 
and then it's going to be under 

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the brand loosely. 
So yeah, it's just that I just 

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want to release some music. 
I want to because it's fun. 

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It's like music I make when it's
when it's like intuitive. 

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I just want to create something 
soothing for the soul. 

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So it's like the type of music 
you listen to when you're just 

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relaxing or like when you wake 
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to meditate or you're going for 
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It's just very, I mean, it's 
chill music. 

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So that's what it is. 
So yeah, planning on releasing 

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hopefully in a month I should be
able to drop something. 

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And yeah, it's very loosely on 
Instagram, very loosely I think 

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as well on on YouTube, but 
there's nothing been released 

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yet. 
So yeah, that's not you're in 

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the middle of a roll out. 
So now I started to think about 

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whether or not I want to rule it
out or if I just because it's 

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very simple. 
Like it's not an artistry thing 

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where we're taking photos or 
anything, but it's more the 

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music is the star. 
So yeah, yeah, it's just trying 

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to figure out how to. 
How to some be dramatic? 

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Bro what should be? 
Dramatic. 

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Where's the drama? 
Where's the? 

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Where's the? 
No, it's there's no drama 

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associated with lofi music. 
It really isn't, but yeah. 

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Unless you, unless you make it. 
Unless I make it, life is what 

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you make it. 
For real. 

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I don't know, I don't agree, but
yeah, it's just, it's just that 

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it's, it's, it's my brainchild, 
man. 

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And it's something I've been 
thinking about. 

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So I'm very emotionally attached
to it and I probably shouldn't 

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be because people also don't 
care. 

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So anyway, if you want to check 
it out, I'll be releasing soon. 

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I care, I care. 
I care, Sam. 

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What bromance bromance on the 
podcast can we get? 

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Oh, so it's just that and then I
guess we'll talk about it 

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outside. 
Outside this week. 

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Yes, Sir, we were invited by. 
Support the homies. 

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Yes, I was waiting for you to. 
I'll do like A tag. 

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Oh, oh you are, oh you are 
trying to tag me in. 

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Oh OK. 
We were invited by Support the 

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Homies as well as Sonnets on a 
Sofa. 

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So Sonnets on a Sofa is an 
initiative that was started. 

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By M Rumbi and Jiru and you can 
find them on Instagram. 

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The whole shtick is they pick 
music or they pick themes and 

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topics and beats out of a hat 
and then off the fly they just 

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write songs to them and they 
record it and they put it on 

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Instagram and you know what I 
mean? 

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So that's kind of the whole 
premise. 

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And Support the Homies is an 
initiative started by Pillow, 

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who makes music herself. 
And essentially it's just about 

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like community because there's 
so many upcoming creatives in 

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the industry. 
And I think when we're all 

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together, like we are more 
powerful, you know what I mean? 

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So it's kind of that kind of 
like, yeah, let's create like an

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environment where we all support
each other and we all grow 

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together. 
So they collaborated on this 

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event, which I will tag Sam in 
to tell us what. 

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It was about. 
What a great team. 

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Yeah. 
So it's a songwriting workshop 

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essentially, And I said a 
workshop, like a Nigerian 

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songwriting workshop. 
And so I mean, an open call for 

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a bunch of people to come 
through if you're interested in 

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songwriting and that side of 
things. 

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So they came an introduction to 
the SOAS and just collaborating,

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I guess working, getting to so 
all right, it's you get to meet 

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artists and creatives. 
And then there's the aspect of 

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also like collaborating and 
writing a song because So what 

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what they had people do was get 
into like groups type thing. 

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And then you're given a prompt 
and a beat. 

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Haven't heard it before, don't 
know where the prompt is, but 

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you all now have to figure out 
and sit down and write a song. 

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And so that was very cool. 
That's. 

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I mean, I've never been to a 
workshop where people are forced

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to come up with songs on the 
fly. 

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Like that's the first time. 
So that was a really interesting

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experience. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
So shout out to them for that 

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initiative. 
I think it's before you get into

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it, like the experience, my 
experience. 

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But then I think it's a very 
decent initiative actually. 

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You know what? 
Let's talk about after get into 

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the experience we all put in. 
Yeah. 

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So I mean, yeah, yeah, exactly. 
We will. 

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We will put in. 
So I would say quite a few. 

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People came like 30. 
I'm so bad when it comes to like

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gauging numbers. 
I'm going to say they were like 

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30 to 35 people. 
Then we were put into groups, 

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four groups to be precise. 
And each group was had like just

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like a because it was random. 
So had a mishmash of different 

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artists. 
Most of the artists were like 

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upcoming artists and still kind 
of like getting their food, 

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yeah, or getting their feet. 
Curious, curious, Curious about 

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some writing too. 
A bunch of people who are. 

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Yeah, exactly, exactly that. 
So and essentially what they did

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was Njiru and Rumbi, who founded
Sonas on a sofa, gave us like 

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two things. 
They gave us 2 prompts, they 

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gave us a beat and they gave us 
like a topic. 

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And it was actually. 
Very challenging because like, 

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you know, you didn't know what 
to expect and stuff like that. 

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So in my group we got, I believe
it was lo fi and we were 

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supposed to talk about nostalgia
or sing about nostalgia. 

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And so yeah, worked, worked on 
that with four other very 

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amazing, like, artists and yeah,
just like learning how to like 

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write music in a group setting, 
you know, accommodate 

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everybody's like ideas. 
It's a lot of melody. 

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Harder than it looks like. 
How do boy bands? 

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Very. 
Yeah, What? 

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What? 
How does that work? 

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How do they deal with the egos? 
And just like, you know, 

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everybody wants to feel like 
they're a big part of the 

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project, you know? 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So, so yeah, it was such a dope 
experience. 

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And then obviously at the end 
everybody performed what they 

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did and they did it on a sofa. 
If you follow us on Instagram, 

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you'd have seen us poster behind
the scenes so you would see how 

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it looked and yeah man. 
I think the groups, the groups 

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that sort of the groups that, 
yeah, our team. 

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I was going to say were voted 
some team won yeah because they 

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had a secret weapon. 
But it's fun. 

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No, don't do that. 
Yeah. 

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But. 
Don't do that. 

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Our secret, our secret weapon 
was unity. 

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Our secret weapon was unity and 
collaboration. 

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Just artistry. 
That's our secret weapon. 

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My my team, my team came lasted.
I feel like crying but like no 

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they saw first of all my team we
were called Lily. 

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I'm sad. 
We even made a bag. 

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OK, tell me the tell me, tell me
the whole thing because I wanted

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to ask but then I don't want to 
drag it out. 

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What's Lily? 
I'm sad. 

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It's just because we were, we 
were sitting next to a Lily. 

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So we just saw it and we're like
fine, Lily. 

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I'm sad, but that's it. 
This is not too much. 

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OK. 
And we we made we made an 

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amazing song called Featured 
Nostalgia, which in my opinion 

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was the Best Song that came out 
on that day. 

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We were the best team. 
So I don't care what anyone 

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says. 
Like in my eyes, we were the 

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best. 
So yeah, subjectively. 

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Subjectively of course. 
But then objectively, 

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objectively the. 
Best. 

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No, there were votes and and 
anyway two teams are selected. 

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The team I was part of. 
Was selected our microphones, 

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our microphone. 
No, you're not doing that. 

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You're not blaming the 
microphones. 

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That's no, no, no, no, no, no, 
no. 

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They're not going to go down 
that way. 

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You're not blaming the 
microphones. 

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The microphones were fine for 
all the other groups. 

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You guys didn't know how to hold
your microphones and you didn't 

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teach them. 
As a producer, I blame you 

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because you should have taught 
your team to hold of them joins 

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up. 
Well. 

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Is that hate that comes up with 
it? 

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No, no, I'm not hitting. 
No, I I think we'll First off, 

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First off, it's an initiative. 
So we shouldn't, I mean, it's a,

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it's a new experience experiment
type thing. 

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So we shouldn't all like for 
sure there are no winners. 

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We're all winners in room. 
I'm, I'm, I'm also just saying 

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this. 
I'm just saying this in jest 

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like. 
Yeah, but it was cool. 

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It was cool. 
So all winners, yeah. 

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Yeah, I think the songs that one
would be showcase at some point,

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but it's such an interesting 
experience. 

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Yeah. 
Because you don't have writing 

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is like sitting down. 
Of course, right now writing and

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a bigger conversation. 
Writing is like one of the 

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backbones of the industry, 
right, In terms of like 

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songwriters and just the art of 
writing. 

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That's, I feel like that's an 
art in Kenya that we're just 

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starting to pay attention to. 
If I'm being honest with you, I 

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think we've not really focused 
on writers as individuals. 

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And now, like, who do you say? 
Of OK, sorry, sorry, go ahead. 

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Yeah. 
No, I'm just saying with the 

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rise of of like a couple of 
people in the modern in the 

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industry currently who seem to 
be pushing that idea of like the

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pen, you know, and so it's 
starting, it's something that 

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we're starting to pay attention 
to. 

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So this is an interesting 
initiative. 

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What? 
What are we going to ask? 

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No, I was going to say who? 
He says. 

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Like one of the better 
songwriters in the country at 

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the moment. 
Oh, I mean so and this consent, 

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this is not from me, from what 
I've heard in terms of people, I

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think. 
Stop giving us just oh. 

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No, I have to. 
No, no, no, no. 

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Wait, this is this thing is 
going out. 

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To the public, I'm not. 
I'm not Just going to give my 

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opinion without sanitizing. 
It out. 

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Put your corners on the table 
and. 

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Tell us we do no such thing. 
No, but I mean, some of the 

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names that that have been 
mentioned, of course Bien is in 

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there. 
I think Bien has been and just 

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being in the room while he's 
been writing, I think he's 

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definitely like up there. 
A name that is thrown around 

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when it comes to writing a lot 
is Iwai Tajiri. 

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Like he's becoming one of the 
post the poster boys for the the

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Kenyan writing scene. 
Of course, Xenia has done more, 

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more international writing, but 
she's also written, I think, for

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some artists here. 
So yeah, there's many, there's, 

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there's many. 
More Molly. 

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Molly goes under the radar. 
Xenia's brother. 

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Look at that. 
Keeping it in the family. 

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Molly is. 
Really good at songwriting, yes.

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So it's a. 
That no, no, no, no, no, no. 

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That was so bad. 
That was such a bad joke. 

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Look what you're doing, you 
know, whenever. 

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This is coming from me, this is 
coming from me, and I'm 

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notorious for bad jokes. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

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But what do you want me to react
to? 

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I don't know how to react to 
this situation. 

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No, but just getting back on 
track though. 

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Shout out to those guys. 
And the place was really 

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beautiful. 
It was at Kitovu Landing Center.

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I believe that's what it's 
called. 

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And yeah, landing space. 
Yeah. 

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Something, something of the 
sort. 

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Iana was was present. 
Those of you who are tapped into

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the niche and be seen will know 
Iana very well. 

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And yeah, man, it was just very,
it was a very nice day. 

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It was very sunny, very 
supportive vibes and just 

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listening to everybody's music. 
We met so many different 

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artists. 
There was the rapper from 

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Mombasa called Trench, who just 
looks like he has so much 

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passion and hunger in his eyes. 
And I'm like, bro, I really want

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this kid to win. 
Yeah, man. 

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So I, I really enjoyed. 
I really enjoyed the event and 

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hopefully they do, hopefully 
they do a few more and if they 

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do, we should definitely have 
people and well, you guys should

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definitely think about 
attending. 

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Yeah, that was a. 
It was a, it was an interesting,

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interesting, interesting, very 
cool day. 

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I mean, I, I, I do hope that as 
they continue, they involve 

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because this was the first one, 
right? 

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So it's, they're still, I guess 
they're still figuring it out, 

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but I think it's a very good 
initiative for sure. 

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And, and I hope that they begin 
to involve like now some of the 

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heavyweights in terms of, of, of
the Kenyan scene and writers, I 

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mean, writers in the heavyweight
writers, the most, the notable 

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guys who who have done like a 
lot of writing and are known for

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that. 
So, so that they can just like 

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impart a little bit of knowledge
to some of the newer songwriters

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and stuff like that. 
And I think it'll be really good

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if we begin to do that then have
like songwriting camps and 

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things off the back of that. 
That would be a really good 

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initiative. 
But it's really cool. 

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Very cool, very chill crowd. 
Everyone at least participated. 

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And yeah, man, shout out to 
them. 

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Shout out to them for. 
To support the homies and SOAS. 

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Yeah, some. 
There's something that's been on

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my mind heavily. 
Wait. 

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So actually, no, it has been 
like that. 

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Nothing is ever OK anyone's mind
heavily, but OK, continue. 

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00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,720
Last week I went to watch the 
new Captain America, which I 

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00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,920
will tell you guys for free is a
horrific movie. 

446
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,440
You're not the only one who's 
saying that. 

447
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,520
Another person who went to you 
know that is terrible. 

448
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,680
Oh, do not spend your money on 
that movie. 

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00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:23,080
It is so bad it is honestly it. 
It's so jarring. 

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It's like it could have been an 
e-mail. 

451
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,920
They could have just said this 
is what happens in the movie. 

452
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,000
Good luck. 
Guys. 

453
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,120
It's so bad the production 
quality for Marvel has dropped. 

454
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:37,480
So like it literally felt like I
was watching ATV show. 

455
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,120
I was not invested at all in the
the Super villains and. 

456
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:43,720
Why though? 
Anyway, did they switch up 

457
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:44,600
Captain America? 
Like what? 

458
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,360
What happened? 
No. 

459
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:50,240
So Captain America now is 
Anthony Mackie, and that's not 

460
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,200
even my problem. 
My problem is like it's just 

461
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,680
felt so low budget man like. 
The Super villains were so 

462
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,960
whack. 
I've never seen such whack. 

463
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:02,120
Super villains in very life 
Defeatable. 

464
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,600
So defeatable they felt like 
just regular people who had 

465
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,760
issues with themselves. 
Anyway, that being said, the 

466
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,760
reason I bring this up was 
actually because, well, Anthony 

467
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,080
Marquis right now is on a press 
tour of course to promote the 

468
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,400
the movie and. 
He had something very 

469
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,080
interesting to say the other 
day, which got me thinking and I

470
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,640
wanted to bring it on the 
podcast because I wanted to have

471
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,520
this discussion with y'all. 
So I'm going to play the clip 

472
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,240
of. 
From what Anthony Markey said, I

473
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,960
believe it was also, it was on a
podcast. 

474
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,560
And then we'll come back and 
we'll we'll talk about it. 

475
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,800
Been in the business 24 years, 
right? 

476
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:49,280
And I've seen people go from 
nothing to the biggest stars in 

477
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,000
the world. 
I've seen people go from one 

478
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,520
role to winning Academy Awards 
and doing all this shit. 

479
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,960
And what I realized yesterday 
thinking about it, we're lying 

480
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:03,880
to our kids though. 
And I think that's a big problem

481
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,480
in our community. 
We tell our kids that they can. 

482
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,760
This is fresh on my heart. 
Like I literally just came to 

483
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,240
this conclusion last night. 
We tell our kids if they do 

484
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,280
right and they make the good 
grades and they go to the 

485
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,920
programs and they they will 
become successful. 

486
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,000
If you work hard enough, your 
work will be paid off. 

487
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,680
And that's not true. 
Success is given, It's not 

488
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:31,200
earned because you can be the 
most brilliant if one person 

489
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,040
don't tap you. 
Each one of y'all, there were 

490
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,960
people who could hit harder, who
could catch better, who could 

491
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,040
run faster. 
But somebody said you and the 

492
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,680
other fifty behind you fell off.
You know what I mean? 

493
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:49,280
And because of that, I don't 
know what that what that emotion

494
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,720
or that feeling is, is the scary
thing. 

495
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,680
Because I went to all the 
programs. 

496
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,280
I've done Broadway, I've done 
Off Broadway, I've been in the 

497
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,960
business 24 years. 
I've been in two Academy Award 

498
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,120
films, I've done independent 
films, I've done major motion 

499
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:04,720
pictures. 
Now I'm Captain America. 

500
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,200
So now what? 
So that was Anthony Mackie on 

501
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:18,760
the Pivot Podcast and. 
I feel like his perspective kind

502
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,720
of shook up the scene a little 
bit because it's an interesting 

503
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,080
perspective starting out by 
saying success is given and not 

504
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,880
earned and that we've been lying
to our children. 

505
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,920
It's kind of it's, it's kind of 
a. 

506
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,680
Heavy of a thing to say, and 
obviously he's talking about 

507
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,640
like the acting scene on the 
acting industry or the movie 

508
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,920
industry. 
But I feel like that sentimel. 

509
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,040
Yeah, it does apply to the music
industry as well. 

510
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,920
Sam, you, what did you feel 
about it? 

511
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,680
Like what was your like, 
visceral like reaction to what 

512
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:59,560
he said? 
To an extent I think I agree, 

513
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,760
yes, because I mean art. 
Can I contextualize it in terms 

514
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,880
of art? 
Art exists within structures. 

515
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,560
And so by structures, I mean it 
exists within structures, the 

516
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,920
structures that work to 
distribute the arts or put it 

517
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,240
out and, you know, earn from it.
And then the, the consumers. 

518
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,880
Oh, there's an easier way to say
it's the consumers and the, the 

519
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,360
what's, what's the other term? 
Not creators like the business 

520
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,320
side of it. 
I don't know the consumers. 

521
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,480
I'm just saying industry, the 
industry, right? 

522
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,080
And so art exists within those 
structures. 

523
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,280
And so you make a song, you put 
it out, there's people who are 

524
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,040
going to listen to it and 
there's people who are going to 

525
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,760
try to get it to be listened to.
And so because of that, you, you

526
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:55,400
automatically have there is 
there are things in place and it

527
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,960
lends itself to like powers and 
lends itself to opinions and 

528
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,360
lends itself to just a lot of 
different things that add to the

529
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,080
music. 
So it's not just the art itself 

530
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,960
that is because it's the art 
itself that is that you can go 

531
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,120
and be successful on your own 
and just do whatever, right or 

532
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,960
success. 
The definition of success is 

533
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,000
different. 
But then within the structures 

534
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,760
now that success is now affected
by so many different things. 

535
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,160
It's affected by the consumers, 
it's affected by the people who 

536
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,800
are putting it out and what they
think about it. 

537
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:36,320
So to that extent I do agree, 
but I from how he says it almost

538
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,480
seems like he's like, he's 
making it seem like that's the 

539
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,920
end all be all. 
Like it's the only thing that 

540
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,400
determines whether you're 
successful is if someone taps 

541
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,680
you on the shoulder. 
I don't know how I feel about 

542
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:51,240
that. 
I don't know. 

543
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,400
I feel about that. 
How do you what what what did 

544
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,480
you get from it I guess. 
Oh IA 100% agree with him. 

545
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,280
What was heavy on your mind? 
IA 100% agree with Anthony 

546
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,400
Marquis bro because like. 
It's just the truth and 

547
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,560
especially in the music 
industry, you would you would 

548
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:13,200
like your talent to be the thing
that takes you far, but it's not

549
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,960
the case. 
I feel like the people who make 

550
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,920
it big big are really even 
almost better, better at 

551
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,800
networking than they are at 
actually creating things. 

552
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,200
And I think the sentiment is 
better. 

553
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,280
Networking or being networked? 
Yeah, exactly. 

554
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,840
Or their team is better at 
networking them or putting them 

555
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,400
in in positions, you know what I
mean? 

556
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,440
I generally feel like that's 
just the case because. 

557
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,400
Hard work pays, of course, but 
to a certain extent, there's 

558
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,200
certain limits, you know, like 
the industry. 

559
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,640
Might you? 
The industry has gatekeepers. 

560
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,040
It's just a fact. 
And if the gatekeepers for one 

561
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,080
reason or another. 
Do not like you or do not feel 

562
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,000
motivated to put you in the 
position? 

563
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,720
Then there's only so far you can
go. 

564
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,040
Nobody's saying you can't 
organically get to a point, 

565
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,120
because you can. 
But if you want to break the 

566
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,080
threshold, that glass ceiling. 
Yes, that's exactly what it is. 

567
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,160
It there's a glass ceiling in 
place, right? 

568
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,600
And. 
Breaking that requires exactly 

569
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,240
what Anthony Marquis said. 
Somebody has to say, you, you're

570
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,120
the one who's going to do all 
these great things. 

571
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:42,400
That's just a fact. 
But OK, all right, OK, I get it.

572
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,320
And it's unfortunate, and I hate
that that's how life is, but 

573
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,200
that's just how it is. 
Do you think for them to be able

574
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,240
to point at you, you need to 
have been successful? 

575
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,960
Do you think success comes 
before or after that? 

576
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:54,960
What do we? 
What do we? 

577
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,440
No, that's why we have industry 
plans. 

578
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,920
Success means all the like 
success means. 

579
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,040
What do you mean? 
Like Dochi, I was not going to 

580
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,160
say Dochi, although that's what 
everybody likes to say. 

581
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,200
Oh, she's an industry plant or 
whatever, but it's not true 

582
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,360
because Dochi has been out here 
like really working for time, so

583
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,760
it's actually on record her. 
Like. 

584
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,600
Putting an industry plant, if 
you've been working, working for

585
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,440
time, just because you, you, you
were on the ground running for a

586
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,520
long time doesn't mean that. 
No, you, you already. 

587
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,120
Can come in and swoop you and 
cut you and put you. 

588
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,040
You have just changed. 
You have changed the meaning of 

589
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,680
industry plant, Have I? 
Yeah. 

590
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,720
An industry plant is somebody 
who comes out of nowhere and 

591
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,840
then gets all the perks that an 
established act should be 

592
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,320
getting. 
No. 

593
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,440
Don't. 
She doesn't come out of nowhere 

594
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,920
well. 
For a lot of people, they feel 

595
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,800
like she did industry plants. 
Usually most of the time, OK, 

596
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,480
the people that we term as 
industry plants are people who 

597
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,360
don't have a lot of buzz going 
for them, but they're still 

598
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,040
working like they might have 
like a couple of joints out and 

599
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,840
whatnot. 
And then like, now what Anthony,

600
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,080
Mr. Mackie is saying is that he 
taps in the shoulder and he's 

601
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,080
like, OK, it's your turn. 
I mean, the, the industry or 

602
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,360
whatever taps you and says your 
turn. 

603
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,120
Then they do everything they can
to put you on top. 

604
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,719
But and that's that's kind of 
ties into this because I'm 

605
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:19,760
trying to figure out OK, 
success. 

606
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,120
Are you successful in success 
numbers? 

607
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,000
Because is that the only thing 
we use as a metric? 

608
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,360
I feel like that might affect. 
Success. 

609
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,199
Success is numbers. 
Success is longevity in your 

610
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,440
career. 
Success is the accolades that 

611
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:37,560
come along with the with what 
you like, the like the industry 

612
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,800
that you're in, whether you're 
winning Grammys, whether you're 

613
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,760
winning Oscars. 
All those things. 

614
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,880
You don't get them based off of 
hard work in Oh no, but man, you

615
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,440
get. 
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait 

616
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,600
wait. 
But this is the most, I feel 

617
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:57,200
like you have to have high 
levels of talent and hard work 

618
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,480
to be able to maintain that. 
So even if someone taps in the 

619
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,960
shoulder and says it's, it's 
your turn, you're not just going

620
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,640
to stick there. 
If you're trash like you, you 

621
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,080
have to have. 
And that's why I feel like it's 

622
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,800
fine if someone picks you and 
says, OK, like we're, we're 

623
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,800
putting you on right? 
And, and you get your shine, you

624
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,960
get your, your 50 minutes, one 
hour, whatever, however long it 

625
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,160
is, if you're ready for that, 
then it means nothing. 

626
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,040
And what, and what Mackie is 
almost saying is I feel like 

627
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,480
he's just saying that that's the
only recipe or that's the major 

628
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,960
recipe. 
And I feel like it it all plays 

629
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,680
into each other. 
So, Sam, in your opinion, 

630
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,880
anybody can make it big, right? 
No, you have to have talent, you

631
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,640
have to be talented. 
You have to be talented and you 

632
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,520
have to be hard working. 
You have to be ready. 

633
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,000
So in your opinion, any talented
person can make it right? 

634
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,040
Yes, but see, now I'm going to 
get semantic key because what's 

635
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,520
make it That's kind of where I'm
stuck. 

636
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,560
But then yes, I feel like, I 
feel like if you have. 

637
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,120
Well, why are we getting stuck 
on that? 

638
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,760
Making it is you have a viable 
career. 

639
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,920
You're making enough money. 
You don't have to be making 

640
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,600
billions, but you're making 
enough money to be comfortable. 

641
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:10,320
People recognize you in your 
craft and they say, oh look, 

642
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,480
that's a really dope artist or 
musician or actor. 

643
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,880
To an accent, yes. 
To an accent, anybody can get 

644
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,680
that done. 
To an accent, yes, If you. 

645
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,240
If you. 
Now put yourself do you think 

646
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,800
just anybody can get to Justin 
Bieber Bieber or her Bieber? 

647
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:32,640
Justin Bieber or I didn't say 
that because he's Canadian and. 

648
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,240
You know, don't explain it. 
When would the moment you start 

649
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:37,640
explaining sorry explaining 
yourself, that's where people 

650
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,920
say that you're hating. 
So just let it you made a do. 

651
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,560
You think you can get to Drake 
level? 

652
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:49,960
Do you think you could get to 
these heights just being, you 

653
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,080
know, just no. 
Because again, I guess you have 

654
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,920
a lot of talent. 
Because I said art exists within

655
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,920
a system. 
And so the moment you enter that

656
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,120
system, you're subject to 
everything else. 

657
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,920
You can't just you can't just be
singing on the side of your Rd. 

658
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,440
I'm sorry. 
Yeah. 

659
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,360
The side of your Rd. the side of
the road. 

660
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:12,440
And and like get get billboard 
number ones and and win Grammys 

661
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,600
and you can't accolades. 
But but shouldn't that how? 

662
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,720
But shouldn't that how life like
for me, I would say like it 

663
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:25,360
would be best if the best songs 
musically did the best, You know

664
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,880
what I mean? 
I want the the the songs that 

665
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,000
are just musically so amazing to
get the shine, you know, because

666
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,840
that's what it should be about. 
Like technically the Grammys 

667
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:43,720
should be putting. 
On music, that's sonically 

668
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,040
undeniable. 
But it's not right. 

669
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,880
It's labels making calls the 
same hit. 

670
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,560
Yeah, exactly. 
This is what we want, and that 

671
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,880
is why we want it there. 
Grammys are cool, but the 

672
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,920
system, and this is the problem 
now, because we're getting 

673
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,280
dependent, the system makes 
those things the the the metrics

674
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,800
of success. 
I think success is more than 

675
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,720
that. 
Fine, you won a Grammy. 

676
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:08,520
No, no, no, but. 
Success is more than that. 

677
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,640
Yes, one Grammys, sure. 
It's also after that it's OK. 

678
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:15,360
Yes, it's brilliant. 
But then you can still be 

679
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,720
successful outside of those 
metrics. 

680
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:22,800
Now what I feel is someone 
pointing coming to like coming 

681
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,840
to you after I'm saying, oh bro,
listen, this project you dropped

682
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,120
amazing. 
I'm putting you on a billboard 

683
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,600
in Times Square. 
You're going to get a whatever a

684
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,680
look you're going to be on 
Complex magazine, whatever it 

685
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:40,280
is, right? 
And they've essentially put you 

686
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,320
on now. 
But then they've put you on to 

687
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,240
the metrics that they have have 
built as success. 

688
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,720
So an artist, an artist who who 
is looking after, I mean, who 

689
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,120
wants that aspect that that type
of success? 

690
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,400
They want the Grammys, the one, 
the numbers, the one the then I 

691
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,240
get what he's saying. 
But then other than that, I 

692
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,760
think success is, is not 
determined. 

693
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,040
I mean, it's not determined by 
other people picking you. 

694
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,120
It's more internal. 
Am I making sense? 

695
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:15,160
I'm making sense in my head. 
I mean, OK, one that's not one 

696
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,920
that I don't know. 
OK, I get what you're trying to 

697
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,720
say. 
It's like, OK, this if for me, 

698
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:28,000
success is selling my music to 
50 people and that makes me feel

699
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,400
super actualized, then I'm 
successful. 

700
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,480
Great. 
We are all happy. 

701
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,480
And rainbows and sunshine. 
Because you've got what you want

702
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,760
you want. 
But I'm telling you, but I'm 

703
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,560
we're talking about success 
being success, but like somebody

704
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,760
being on on Saudi souls level of
success. 

705
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,680
Right. 
Now, you know, or Bien's level 

706
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,640
of music success. 
I mean, OK, I don't know about 

707
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,520
y'all, but like for me, like 
when I release music, I want to 

708
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:06,240
aim to be one of the best people
in my craft, you know, within my

709
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,480
colleagues. 
You know, and yes, I do 

710
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,720
understand what Sam is saying, 
like we shouldn't use all these 

711
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:17,000
metrics and numbers and this and
that to determine success. 

712
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,240
But those metrics and numbers 
and accolades and this, they put

713
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:26,520
you in the position to be able 
to generate income and revenue 

714
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,720
that keeps you and your family 
afloat. 

715
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:37,040
In this very turbulent economic 
system, so it all wraps up 

716
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:43,280
together in that you do and to 
some extent need these things to

717
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:48,200
help you on your way to. 
Success, like honestly, it's, 

718
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,200
it's necessary. 
You need some of these things, 

719
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,320
you know to define or just to 
like. 

720
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,240
Give you that comfortability in 
life, you know, and yes, you 

721
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:04,640
know, you, you can say, oh, I 
made a wonderful song and I like

722
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,880
it and that's okay. 
But in real life, you need to 

723
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,680
also find a way to live off of 
your art. 

724
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,200
That's the point, you know, and 
the point Anthony Marquis is 

725
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:20,400
making is that unfortunately, 
there are barriers to entry and 

726
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,720
people like him or people who 
look like him, I'm saying black 

727
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:27,320
people have limited options in 
terms of getting that. 

728
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,960
But even break that down away 
from the American industry. 

729
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,840
Like even here, you know, like 
you're trying to get onto radio.

730
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,800
You're, you're trying to get 
playlisting, you're trying to 

731
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:45,040
get covers on certain 
publications and stuff like 

732
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,920
that, like get on the on the. 
And it's all about the. 

733
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,720
Newspapers and stuff like that. 
Yeah, it's about who, you know, 

734
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,360
do you have, like, I'm telling 
you, some like some, there could

735
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,280
be two people. 
X&Y. 

736
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,840
Now X is super talented, right? 
Super talented introvert. 

737
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,200
He goes outside sometimes, but 
he's mostly about. 

738
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,800
The music and he makes fantastic
music. 

739
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,440
Now there's why. 
Why? 

740
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,120
It's talented yes right, not as 
good as X, but is good at 

741
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,760
selling themselves. 
They can go in rooms and 

742
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,960
actually talk to people that 
music Nah compared to X not the 

743
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,520
best, but why actually has that 
like affability that makes them 

744
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:33,360
want to be or makes other people
want to like associate with 

745
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,440
them, right? 
So these two people, you put 

746
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,760
them in a room together. 
This one, the Y goes and shakes 

747
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,120
and bakes and talks to this 
person and that person. 

748
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,520
And that person is like, yo, you
know what? 

749
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,040
I like you. 
Why I'm going to put you on. 

750
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,960
I'm I'm, I'm going to like make 
sure you're on this playlist or 

751
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,760
in this radio rotation or 
whatever, you know what I mean? 

752
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,760
Now, are they necessarily better
than? 

753
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,720
X right No, they're not this ex 
person could work as hard as 

754
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,880
they can to be the greatest 
artist in the history of 

755
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,160
mankind, but they will not go as
far as why? 

756
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:16,160
Because why is able to make the 
people that make decisions say 

757
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,440
you are the one we're going to 
put on and. 

758
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,880
Therefore, hard work, hard 
working. 

759
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:27,840
Mr. X doesn't get as much shine 
as very, very socially cognizant

760
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,120
Mr. Y. 
And that's the point. 

761
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,840
Would you? 
Slightly sorry, go ahead. 

762
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,160
No, you ask ask the question. 
What do you make of artists like

763
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,400
Russ who, who seems to have, 
he's at the beginning of his 

764
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,360
fault, like the, the in terms of
someone picking him? 

765
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,480
He's not really had the luxury 
of that. 

766
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:50,840
So he's grinded his way up to 
whatever and he's been, OK, 

767
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,160
let's not do that. 
He's been fairly successful. 

768
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,240
He sells out big, sizable arenas
and and he makes quite a bit of 

769
00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:59,280
money from his music, right? 
The same metrics that we are 

770
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,560
talking about. 
Of course, he hasn't gotten like

771
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,000
accolades and awards and Grammys
and whatnot. 

772
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,160
But then so you talk about 
Grammys, that's just that's 

773
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,480
solely industry. 
So let me just, yeah. 

774
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,000
What do you make of that? 
Let me just put into context for

775
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,240
people who might know not know 
who Russ is. 

776
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:19,920
He's an artist in America. 
And the way he blew up was being

777
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,920
super independent. 
And at the time, what he did was

778
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,120
he released like music almost 
every week for like a year or 

779
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,200
even more than that on 
SoundCloud, no support. 

780
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,520
He was distributing his music 
off of TuneCore, which is a 

781
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,560
distribution platform that 
anybody can use. 

782
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,760
It's not like industry, 
whatever. 

783
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,160
And he built a. 
Career for himself, he sells out

784
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,840
venues and he does really well 
and everyone is like, look at 

785
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,240
Russ, he disrupted everything 
and you know what, it is 

786
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:53,200
possible. 
My argument is not that it's not

787
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,720
possible. 
But here's The thing. 

788
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,120
Is Russ in the conversation for 
like the big mainstream? 

789
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,120
Artist. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

790
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,920
No, not really close. 
Russ is never there's. 

791
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,800
There's there's levels to this 
Russ Russ has success and that's

792
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,320
fine, but he doesn't have. 
Success like other people, you 

793
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,600
know what I mean? 
Like because there's, he's going

794
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,120
to be limited. 
And even then there's caveats to

795
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,120
that. 
Like I feel like people like 

796
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,760
Russ get into like certain deals
that are limited or that are 

797
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,760
unexclusive and blah, blah, 
blah, blah, blah. 

798
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,680
Like I'm sure he has things like
that going on for him as well. 

799
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,520
So it's also a bit of a fallacy 
sometimes when you hear, and I'm

800
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,640
not saying that about Russ, but 
sometimes when you hear 

801
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,160
somebody's independent, but they
are getting distributions 

802
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:43,520
support or publishing support 
here and there. 

803
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,840
So it's like they're not really 
doing it by themselves. 

804
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,000
It's impossible for us to get to
like. 

805
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,880
And I think like he like getting
to like do a leaper 

806
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,720
stratospheres or like, you know,
you know, you know what I'm 

807
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:03,560
saying, Martin Garrix or like 
Taylor Swift and all those. 

808
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,000
People, I just. 
There is no I'm telling you Sam,

809
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,960
there is no amount of hard work 
you are going to do. 

810
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:15,560
You can work 24/7, 366 days 
because you've gone into time 

811
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,400
and made sure every year is a 
leap year. 

812
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,160
Bro you will never and I'm 
telling you never. 

813
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,800
You will never break that like 
glass ceiling. 

814
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,440
And so I think what I'm trying 
to say is if you're an artist 

815
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,800
listening to this and you're 
like, you know what, I'm just 

816
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,440
going to put my head down and 
I'm going to work so hard and 

817
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,360
I'm going to make it to. 
That's true to an extent. 

818
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,560
But I'm also telling you, and 
I'm using this platform to say 

819
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,640
that's not the end all be all. 
It's not only about working 

820
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,800
hard, and sometimes it's even 
less so about working hard. 

821
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,320
It's about who do you know? 
It's about networking you. 

822
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,800
Have you have to figure it out, 
go on Instagram and stalk 

823
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,240
everything that happens on the 
in the music side. 

824
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,960
Like go and kiss 100 and look at
everyone they're following and 

825
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,440
then look at all the radio 
producers and stuff like that 

826
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,280
and. 
Like fitness or what was it 

827
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,680
going to say? 
Like manufacture ways to bump 

828
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,440
into these people or like find 
their like those are the people.

829
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,160
Who actually make it, You know 
what I mean? 

830
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,760
Like people who try and put 
themselves in that position to 

831
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,400
be chosen. 
Yeah. 

832
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,680
And in some extent I. 
Guess you could say that is hard

833
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,360
work in some extent, I don't 
know. 

834
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,320
Because that is a different kind
of hard work, yeah. 

835
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,600
Yeah, it's not like being hard 
working at your craft. 

836
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:41,040
And that's just, I don't know, 
it's just to me, I I think about

837
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,720
it and it's like, you can't 
change that. 

838
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:47,360
That's just how the world works.
I mean, I despise it, you know, 

839
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,400
I despise that you have to know 
specific people and specific 

840
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,800
things to get certain perks in 
the music industry. 

841
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,760
It's just a fact. 
It's just a fact, man. 

842
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,640
If you don't know the right 
people, you're just not going to

843
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:59,520
get anywhere. 
So. 

844
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,920
You won't get anywhere. 
If you start, if you start to 

845
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,160
get this, this illusion and 
you're like, damn, when will I 

846
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,000
be discovered and stuff like 
that. 

847
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,600
It's not because you're not, 
you're just, it's not because 

848
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,120
it's, it's because you're 
working hard and that's it, you 

849
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,560
know? 
Yeah, you're, you're, you're 

850
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,640
doing, you're doing a lot on on 
a road that only you're on and 

851
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,880
no one sees you, no one passes 
by that road. 

852
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,120
You're just, you're just there 
by yourself. 

853
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,000
But you're doing amazing, 
amazing work. 

854
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:28,720
You have to get seen and put 
yourself. 

855
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:33,360
It's all about putting yourself 
in a position to to succeed. 

856
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,280
It is. 
It's just, and it's just 

857
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,840
annoying that like somebody gets
somebody up there gets to be 

858
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:45,240
like the the one who says it's 
you, Sam, that's you, the next 

859
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:46,920
star. 
Because they're not going to 

860
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,920
pick off talent again, That's 
and that's, that's, I guess 

861
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,400
that's that's what. 
And they're not going to, and 

862
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,600
they're not going to be 
objective or. 

863
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,120
Whatever you've put in, they're 
going to pick off however they 

864
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,320
feel or whatever agenda they're 
trying to push in whatever way 

865
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,480
it is. 
So you then, you then and. 

866
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,320
Let me tell you man. 
Yeah. 

867
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,120
It's happened in this industry 
many times. 

868
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,400
We went off to about it on the 
podcast in different contexts, 

869
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,320
but that's just how it works, 
man. 

870
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,760
You know, it's that's so, yeah. 
Anyway. 

871
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:22,000
But regardless of that, I think 
as an artist. 

872
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,200
So as an artist, I guess the 
takeaways as a new artist, let 

873
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,280
me speak to new artist. 
As a new artist, the takeaways 

874
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,520
are one, of course, is very rare
that you're going to be picked 

875
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,040
if you have nothing to be picked
for. 

876
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:38,040
So the hard work and the, the 
talent and just working on your 

877
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,400
craft and ensuring that you're 
operating at the highest level, 

878
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,120
that's super important. 
That never goes away. 

879
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:49,840
But there's just much more to 
being a successful artist than 

880
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,080
just yeah than than having 
amazing songs. 

881
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:58,120
And so you, you, you do have to,
unfortunately, you do have to do

882
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,080
some appeasing and connections 
and be genuine about it, but 

883
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,400
then just make more connections 
than you feel like you need. 

884
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,840
Because some of them could be 
that one person who is feeling a

885
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,840
specific way when they woke up 
in the morning and has the keys 

886
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,960
to the, the room that you need 
to be in for you to reach that 

887
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:21,200
next level they're open to. 
I mean, it, it, it could take 

888
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,840
just the way you speak to them. 
And it's like, you know what? 

889
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,120
Hey, I like you. 
All of a sudden now, you know, 

890
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,280
we need it for Grammy. 
That's ridiculous. 

891
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,640
And to add to Anthony Markey's 
point of success being given and

892
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:38,560
not earned well to the to more 
examples or to a greater extent 

893
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,120
I guess is. 
Bro there's people in this high 

894
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:48,080
level positions who they're just
there because nepotism or. 

895
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,840
Yeah, like in the West, you're 
white. 

896
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,520
Big, big, big. 
Big one, yeah. 

897
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,200
Yeah, you're white. 
And so we mostly like to hire 

898
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,520
white male people for this 
position, right? 

899
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:08,080
It doesn't matter if this black 
female person is highly 

900
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,160
qualified for this position. 
We're going to hire the white 

901
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,040
male person who fits our 
demographic. 

902
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,920
And that's why sometimes success
is given and not earned. 

903
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,360
There's so many people who hold 
positions of power who are 

904
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,880
simply there because. 
You know, they didn't even 

905
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,720
actually have to go through. 
Remember how in the X&Y example,

906
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:31,880
I said Y is good at like 
networking and stuff like that? 

907
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,080
Maybe this person isn't even 
good at that stuff, but the 

908
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,000
people up there want them to be 
there. 

909
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:43,240
Some people would rather give 
somebody who is completely inept

910
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:48,200
at what they're, what field 
they're in the keys to the 

911
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,680
Kingdom just because they have a
tie to that person. 

912
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,880
So what do we do, Sam? 
It's ridiculous. 

913
00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:00,760
Do we, do we therefore work, try
to work our way to the top so 

914
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:06,280
that we can feed our generation 
well, the generations that fall 

915
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,560
that. 
Proceed us is it? 

916
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,160
Proceed. 
Yeah, proceed us. 

917
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,760
You know what I mean? 
Yeah. 

918
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:16,960
But then that's just that's just
feeding into what's already 

919
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,400
being done and not really 
breaking the mould. 

920
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,920
But it is possible to be a 
disruptor like people like Mr. 

921
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,680
Beast on YouTube and all that 
type of, you know, stuff like it

922
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,880
is possible to do that. 
But I'm telling you it is the 

923
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,800
it's, it's the exception. 
It's not the. 1%, yeah. 

924
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:42,640
So you all need to you all need 
a prayer. 

925
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,200
But if the music. 
We all do. 

926
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,200
We all need a prayer because 
it's music thing especially. 

927
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,280
It's frustrating. 
It's so subjective. 

928
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,120
It's frustrating, yeah. 
I know so many artists who feel 

929
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,080
like they're so much better or 
they release so much better 

930
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,360
music than other people, but 
they just don't get the 

931
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,640
opportunities, man. 
But you can just sit down and 

932
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,520
complain or you can. 
It is what? 

933
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,720
It is, but then it actually is 
what it is. 

934
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,280
Yeah, let's speak about. 
Let me not harp on on this too 

935
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,840
much. 
So after harping on it for no, 

936
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,120
but it's a good conversation. 
I'm not. 

937
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,080
I'm not saying you're happy on 
it. 

938
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,200
Let's get into new music. 
Wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, 

939
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:26,840
no, no, no, no. 
Is there anything else? 

940
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,160
Is there anything else? 
Is there? 

941
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,680
Anything else that there is 
something I wanted to highlight?

942
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:37,200
I wanted to highlight Odds. 
Odds is a music producer mostly 

943
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,160
known for his work in drill 
music. 

944
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:45,160
Also, he's the person who 
founded Drill Digest and he got 

945
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,480
a placement recently with 
Younger Chief. 

946
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:53,640
He made a song called What If 
Mngani and it's it's a banger. 

947
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,080
It looks like it's doing really 
well in South Africa. 

948
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,320
So yeah, it's it's trending out 
there. 

949
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,840
So shout out to odds putting 
himself in the position. 

950
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,360
I believe there's also some 
other big news. 

951
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:15,520
Yeah, OK. 
The next signing, Universal, 

952
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,800
it's it's Universal. 
They look like they're busy. 

953
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,120
They've been, they've been busy,
busy, busy. 

954
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,720
And yeah, the most recent 
signing is Kim left. 

955
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:25,240
He's an AFA. 
I would, I would want to say 

956
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:27,640
he's more like an Afrobeat 
artist. 

957
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,400
You should know Kim left by now.
If you don't, he's been doing 

958
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,440
some good work releasing music. 
I think he's really cool. 

959
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,720
Really, really, really dope, 
really talented. 

960
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,280
But now he's been, you know, 
Universal is cool. 

961
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,800
They're that, let me not say 
they're cool, but then they're 

962
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,920
trying, they're trying something
here. 

963
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:49,720
So it's interesting to see how 
his addition to the roster, you 

964
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:52,720
know, paints more of a picture 
of what they're trying to do. 

965
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:57,320
I mean, just shout out to to Kim
life, shout out to Latim, his 

966
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,040
his manager and everyone on his 
team for securing this. 

967
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,560
Yeah, I just not much to say 
here. 

968
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,480
I just hope that it's it pushes 
him forward upwards. 

969
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,320
And what do they usually say in 
the industry? 

970
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,440
Upwards and onwards. 
So yeah. 

971
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,920
Upwards then onwards for Kim 
life and and Latim as well. 

972
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:21,000
Man, I've had conversations with
Latim and these guys have they 

973
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,440
have they they have aspirations 
and it looks like they're 

974
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,040
actually out here doing it like 
for real. 

975
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,200
So shout out to them. 
Shout out to them. 

976
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,520
If there's nothing else. 
I guess we can get into some new

977
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,600
music. 
Some really. 

978
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:37,840
Easy. 
Let me start. 

979
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,640
Let me start because I feel like
you've listened to way more 

980
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:46,960
music than me. 
So the big one came out, Xavier,

981
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,440
Omar and Xenia. 
Somebody needs to do some 

982
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,600
research. 
Has there been a drop that has 

983
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:58,560
two people starting with X that 
they can't be more than 5 can't 

984
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,440
be more than 5? 
Why is that where you went? 

985
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,800
Why is that where you went with 
it? 

986
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:03,720
What? 
What are the stats here? 

987
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:05,280
It's super. 
Unique, OK. 

988
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:07,400
Don't you think it's unique? 
I mean, it is. 

989
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:15,240
Yeah, anyway, they released the 
song Afraid Part 2, so I I liked

990
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:18,800
it. 
Really thought it was a Bob. 

991
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:24,200
So you Xavier Omar is is insane.
Yeah, he's cool. 

992
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:25,960
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

993
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,240
I mean and Zinnia, Zinnia Zinnia
is. 

994
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:30,240
Insane. 
No, it's it's interesting 

995
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,720
because like it's a very it's 
not like a full circle moment, 

996
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:37,040
but then it's like, I don't 
know, it's like a an almost full

997
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,640
circle moment where because I've
been listening to Xavier Omar 

998
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,640
for a long, long time, like 
since he was he used to go by 

999
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,480
spazzy rocket. 
I don't know whether he wants 

1000
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,840
that information out. 
So it's just cool to see him 

1001
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,760
still working and now him 
working with some of the artists

1002
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,400
that we really not some of the 
artists, the one of the artists 

1003
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:58,080
that we really support here. 
So that's cool, man. 

1004
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,120
Shout out to them. 
It was a good song. 

1005
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,280
Very very very cool R&B goal 
list to that for. 

1006
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:09,160
Sure. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so and also 

1007
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,920
just to add to that, but I'm not
even surprised when Xenia pops 

1008
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,360
up with like really dope collabs
because, you know, she'd be 

1009
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:21,080
doing that like consistently. 
There was, there was. 

1010
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,120
Let me see. 
Oh, there's press play by Mbiti 

1011
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,880
and Gandhi XL. 
I really like the beats to that 

1012
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,280
one, man. 
Mbiti has been releasing music 

1013
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,600
more consistently, so you all 
should go support him. 

1014
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:42,880
I listened to Action by *** 
Shawn and Keith Worms. *** Shawn

1015
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:48,120
is like yeah, I feel like he 
toes the line between like drill

1016
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,640
and like urban tonish stuff, but
mostly drill. 

1017
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:57,640
So shout out to *** Shawn. 
Jodie Fanetto released an EP 

1018
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,480
called Usishiquela King. 
He had a few songs there. 

1019
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,840
That was dope. 
He had a song with AJ I believe,

1020
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,840
which is also really fire. 
So shout out to Jody Fanetto. 

1021
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,480
He's been working. 
He's been working. 

1022
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,280
BN released a song with Ramor 
called. 

1023
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,000
All I need wait some. 
Can you roll your Rs? 

1024
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,360
Yes. 
Can we hear you try to roll 

1025
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,080
your? 
Rs No bro, can you continue? 

1026
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,640
Actually, I don't believe. 
You actually don't believe? 

1027
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,080
You. 
Oh man, no I'm not going to 

1028
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,080
roll. 
Rolled my hours. 

1029
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,640
Oh, you did it see. 
Oh, you did it. 

1030
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,880
You did it. 
Oh my God, just continue. 

1031
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:42,640
This is how is that cheesy? 
I think that was actually top 10

1032
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,200
wholesome moments of the study. 
You know what if you're out here

1033
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,040
listening to the I wish we had 
clout some because you know what

1034
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:54,720
people be Yeah, seriously, 
because people be like yeah, 

1035
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,720
because people people who like, 
you know, people on YouTube are 

1036
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,400
like streamers. 
They'd be like, yo, I want 

1037
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:00,920
somebody to just make. 
Somebody should just put 

1038
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,440
together. 
Together, top ten coldest 

1039
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,280
moments or top top 10 wholesome 
moments for you know what I 

1040
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,560
mean? 
Anyway, one day, one day. 

1041
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,120
What was I even talking about? 
Oh yeah, All I need by Ramor. 

1042
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:18,320
And yeah, took me back to 2018, 
man. 

1043
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,400
Summer 2018, when everything was
just hunky Dory. 

1044
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:29,400
So it was a really nice sound. 
Yeah, man, did you have anything

1045
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,000
to add about? 
I didn't watch the video though.

1046
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,760
I haven't seen the video as 
well, but it sounds cool. 

1047
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,720
Bien, Well, to me, he fits on 
the track. 

1048
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,480
Bien is just a good writer. 
So I think he's he's he's 

1049
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,360
talented enough to fit himself 
in whatever space he's been 

1050
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,000
given. 
So shout out to him and Ramon. 

1051
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,480
Ramon, Not Ramon. 
I don't want to say Ramon 

1052
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,880
because of the ruling the arts. 
Ramon. 

1053
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,960
Yeah. 
Oh. 

1054
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,640
Wait, no, I have to shout this 
out though before I'm done. 

1055
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,360
This is the last one I'm going 
to shout out Bala by Kasha. 

1056
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:07,600
Yeah, when Kasha releases music 
man listen, the world stops. 

1057
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:12,320
Also I'm trying to see a Kasha 
times like 21 boy like thing 

1058
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,240
that's. 
An interesting It needs to 

1059
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:19,480
happen. 
That's an interesting pairing. 

1060
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,240
It does. 
It does need to happen. 

1061
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,840
Make that happen, Mr. Anr. 
Make it happen. 

1062
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,320
Let's see who else dropped. 
Make it happen, I'll make it 

1063
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,960
happen. 
Who else dropped Mombasa's very 

1064
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:36,280
own MVO caliber? 
ETI gave us Love letters 3, Love

1065
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,800
letters 3. 
So it features AJ, Mr. Frank 

1066
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,680
White and Razor Man. 
It's Caleb sound man. 

1067
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,440
He's, he's been, he's been 
releasing a lot of music. 

1068
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:50,000
So shout out to him, shout out 
to Caleb, who else released some

1069
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,960
music that I would like to talk 
about, DJ Mura, DJ Mura KE, St. 

1070
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,720
Evo and Labdi. 
DJ Mura KE and St. 

1071
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:01,920
Evo have been to producers who 
have been like really pushing in

1072
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,160
terms of the Afro house sound. 
So it's good. 

1073
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,880
And then Labdi is a brilliant 
vocalist so, and a really good 

1074
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,560
writer. 
So they dropped an track, I was 

1075
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,840
going to say project a track 
called a Waro. 

1076
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,800
Oh man, that's vibes, man It's 
it's I really enjoyed that one. 

1077
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:23,160
It was a good, good release. 
It's interesting because AFAM 

1078
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:28,480
AFAM doesn't Afam is not 
necessarily the Afro house type.

1079
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,040
Like listener, like you don't 
listen to that on your on your 

1080
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:32,280
free time. 
But then when you put me onto an

1081
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,320
Afro house tracker, I know that 
at least it's. 

1082
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,320
Imagine, imagine, look at, look 
at the growth. 

1083
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:42,440
I think so. 
So John Apesi released Kiyongi 

1084
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,440
Kiyongi Kiyongi Who else? 
A bunch of other releases. 

1085
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:52,560
Man Loki the Great dropped 
Highest and a few others I want 

1086
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,680
to highlight though the track I 
want to highlight this week M 

1087
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:03,640
Rumbi and Nkata Modoni dropped a
song called Another Mess I Made 

1088
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,560
and I think M Rumbi is planning 
on dropping an EPA. 

1089
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,680
I think it is soon an album, 
some sort of project soon. 

1090
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,080
So he's began releasing music 
for that. 

1091
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,920
I really enjoyed this. 
I enjoyed, and I told him this, 

1092
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,680
like I enjoyed this sound and 
sort of just how it sounded. 

1093
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,120
It sounds like what it's 
supposed to be, just very, very 

1094
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,040
engaging. 
It engaged my ears. 

1095
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,960
And yeah, I don't know. 
You had a chance to. 

1096
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,000
Did you have a chance to listen 
to each other? 

1097
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,760
Very, No, yeah, I, I liked it. 
It was just a really smooth, 

1098
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,360
smooth sound. 
It was a little bit, it was a 

1099
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,280
little bit on the sad side, but,
you know, sometimes you'd be 

1100
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,840
needing that just to like add 
fuel to the fire, you know what 

1101
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,760
I mean? 
So I, I enjoyed it. 

1102
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:52,720
Yeah. 
There's nothing even more I can 

1103
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,720
add than it was just a vibe, you
know, it's just one of those 

1104
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,640
things we put on in the 
background and just like, you 

1105
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:04,640
know, just like, yeah. 
And and dissolve into your bed. 

1106
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,680
Dissolve into your bed. 
Yeah, So we're going to 

1107
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,440
highlight. 
We're going to play M Ruby and 

1108
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,080
Katas Katamudoni. 
Katamudoni's new track. 

1109
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:45,200
It's called Another Mess I Make.
And she can't see the way. 

1110
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,920
Not call, call away. 
She's gonna find a way. 

1111
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:57,920
They heard from her in day. 
I I came away. 

1112
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:09,920
I was hoping you were safe. 
But you don't want to be safe. 

1113
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:12,080
Be safe. 
Be safe. 

1114
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:20,360
This waste is just my taste. 
OK, OK. 

1115
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:32,560
Another mess I've made. 
Another mess I've made. 

1116
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:42,680
Can I take? 
Can I take? 

1117
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:44,960
Can I take? 
Can I take? 

1118
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,040
Can I take? 
Can I take? 

1119
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,360
Can I take? 
Can I break? 

1120
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,600
Can I break? 
Can I break? 

1121
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,600
Can I break? 
Can I break? 

1122
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,800
Can I break? 
Can I break? 

1123
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:03,200
My mistake, My mistake, My 
mistake, My mistake, My mistake,

1124
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:11,720
My mistake, my mistake. 
I should lie and die. 

1125
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,960
And she can't see the way. 
I can't find the way. 

1126
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:43,820
And she lied and she can't see 
the way I can't find the way. 

1127
01:05:43,820 --> 01:05:50,640
They are from life in days. 
In this day she trains my soul. 

1128
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,560
She makes my heart. 
She's clear. 

1129
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:54,800
But I call. 
She came. 

1130
01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:00,600
She came. 
So it's more than a little bit. 

1131
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:06,280
My phone can't seem to learn how
to live this the phone. 

1132
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:11,800
This day she drains my soul. 
She saves my heart. 

1133
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,000
She's clear. 
But I call. 

1134
01:06:14,360 --> 01:07:35,320
She came. 
That was another mess I make by 

1135
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,720
M Rumbi and Katha Mudhoney. 
Very smooth smooth smooth 

1136
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,120
sounds. 
Shout out to them and everyone 

1137
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,080
else who's released music. 
We see you. 

1138
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:47,920
We see you. 
Yeah, we do. 

1139
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,040
You are seen, you are perceived,
your presence saying. 

1140
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,320
We see we see you and you are 
seen a completely different 

1141
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,120
things. 
You are since starts turning it 

1142
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:03,120
into therapy. 
Well. 

1143
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,240
Just because of the context in 
which you are seen has been 

1144
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,440
used, but it's I feel like it's 
the same thing. 

1145
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,120
Yeah. 
But yeah, we're all seen. 

1146
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:11,360
We're all seen. 
You 2 are seen enough. 

1147
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:12,240
I'm sure. 
I forgot. 

1148
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,560
I forgot to to to to mention 
your drop. 

1149
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:15,680
But then you already did, so 
yeah. 

1150
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,760
Yeah, yeah. 
But yeah, Speaking of that, you 

1151
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:23,479
know guys, I just released the 
song Top with Zoe can go to 

1152
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,040
listen if there's anything you 
take away from this podcast. 

1153
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,399
No, no, no, no. 
OK, You know what? 

1154
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,960
I don't want to say no because. 
I knew that I knew that was 

1155
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,840
going to trigger some, but 
that's why I said it. 

1156
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,800
If there's anything you. 
Should take off from Podcast 

1157
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:44,080
myself promotion. 
Yes, exactly 3 two years ago 

1158
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,640
when we started this podcast, I 
did it especially solely for 

1159
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:52,920
solely for I can't even speak 
March. 2025 That's why we 

1160
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,640
started this whole thing. 
I did it especially for this 

1161
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,680
moment. 
But guys, as always, thank you 

1162
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,920
guys for listening to us for 122
episodes. 

1163
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,040
I love to outro the podcast with
the three C's, which are just 

1164
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,359
just a mantra that I'm trying to
work on for myself. 

1165
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,680
If you're new here, it's not 
that I'm perfect, it's just that

1166
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,080
I'm also trying to follow these 
guidelines and these are 

1167
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,240
confidence. 
You have to be confident about 

1168
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,279
your art, right? 
And I'm really learning that in 

1169
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:28,160
real time anyway. 
You have to be very confident 

1170
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:33,000
and be like, yo, I am the shit 
and I'm the best and y'all are, 

1171
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,200
you know what I mean? 
Y'all should listen to my music.

1172
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:36,800
Which you should you should 
actually. 

1173
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:40,240
It's on streaming. 
Any consistency? 

1174
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:47,640
You should be consistent in both
the release and the creation of 

1175
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,560
your work then This doesn't 
apply if you're just in the 

1176
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,279
music industry. 
It applies for everyone. 

1177
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,880
Consistency is really where it's
at to be honest. 

1178
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,720
I think people who are 
consistent end up going farther 

1179
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,720
than even people who are just 
talented. 

1180
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,640
So be consistent. 
And lastly, craft everyday. 

1181
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:10,120
Work on your craft. 
It'll pay off at some point. 

1182
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,280
Nobody starts off being amazing 
at something you know. 

1183
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:18,040
We all know the feeling of being
interested in, I don't know, 

1184
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,800
painting and then the first 
thing you paint is horrible. 

1185
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:26,760
But if everyday you work at it, 
trust me, you will be good at it

1186
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,600
in the end. 
So always, always work on your 

1187
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,160
craft. 
That's all I have to say, Sam. 

1188
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:36,280
That's a fact and I don't have 
anything else to say, so we'll 

1189
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,480
end it there. 
OK. 

1190
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:45,160
So we will see you guys on 
episode 1230123. 

1191
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,320
We have to do something special 
for this. 

1192
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,000
We have to do something special 
for 123. 

1193
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,480
Yes, we do. 
Yes we do. 

1194
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,080
No, we are going to do something
special for 123. 

1195
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,480
You guys may or may not see 
something special from afar. 

1196
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:05,280
More may, more may than may not.
Right, bye.