1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:06,840 And I remember I made a whole tape of like 14 songs of trap 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,920 beats and I still have them. Oh, nobody will ever find them. 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,640 I. Need to hear those I need to 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:14,560 hear. Can you play one? 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,440 Could you play one as an intro for the podcast please bro? 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,880 Please, you want me to play one for the intro? 7 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:25,600 Please, I actually can. Like I act, I genuinely can. 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,880 If I you know that. Yeah, the the one that went 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,800 crazy, it went platinum on the streets was called Firetrap. 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,200 I named. It firetrap. 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,000 I was, yeah, it was called Firetrap and I was so proud of 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,720 that beat. If I'm on this beat. 13 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:24,560 FM off. His feet. 14 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,480 You what's going on, what is up, what's going, what's going on? 15 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:51,760 Everybody, welcome to the 30% episode 100 of the 30% podcast 16 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,680 that makes me happy. Episode 100. 17 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,480 We've done this 100 times, Alpha. 18 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:01,440 How are you feeling, man? Yo, yeah, man, bro, episode 100, 19 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,200 man, that's insane. Like that's crazy. 20 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,800 That's actually it's a real. It is. 21 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,840 It is. I'm as excited as you. 22 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,880 Never could. I didn't think it would make it. 23 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,960 Actually, no. I know what you're about to say. 24 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,200 Let me let me not start singing, but yeah, no episode 100. 25 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,600 They are shout out to everybody who's been listening to us and 26 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,880 who is listening currently. Man, we really appreciate you. 27 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,240 Like for real, for real, for real. 28 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,720 This is this is a podcast that we started to talk about the 29 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,360 Kenyan music industry and the, the fabrics and the foundations 30 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,200 and the frameworks or all FS and the frameworks of, of, of it and 31 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,360 just like bring light, shed light to a couple of things, 32 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:52,400 artists, music and everything. So yeah, man, it's very, very, 33 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,080 very rather. I'm very appreciate personally, 34 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,880 I'm just very appreciative of, of what we get to do here and 35 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,200 that you get to do it with the greatest of all time producer 36 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,400 extraordinaire, future Grammy winner Affami Funa. 37 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,240 Jeez, jeez, Affam himself. What do you have to say to my 38 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:14,840 interview? Wow, OK. 39 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,520 I mean, I appreciate, I appreciate, I appreciate the 40 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,080 belief. No, Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, 41 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,000 belief is everything. Yes, yes, How's it going? 42 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,600 And likewise, likewise doing likewise. 43 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,760 Yeah, bro, I'm doing fine. I'm doing great. 44 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,440 Yeah. Just chilling, man, for the 45 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:38,320 100th time. What am I even say? 46 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:39,840 Anyway? Let me be serious. 47 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,920 Yeah, I'm. I'm good, you know, happy to be 48 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,640 here as always. Yeah, man, just living life. 49 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,160 I mean, for me this week, I wouldn't say I've done anything 50 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,400 like, you know, this. Noteworthy. 51 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,720 Yeah. But yeah, yeah, yeah. 52 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:05,280 Just existing I guess. How much is self man? 53 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,320 It's cool, Cool. I've been. 54 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,360 Well this week was full of work. Was recording a voice over for 55 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,120 the ad I was talking about, which was cool. 56 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,920 I ran into a legend in the studio. 57 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,360 Actually, I don't know. A lot of people might who. 58 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:19,800 Did you? What did you run into? 59 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:20,800 He's a legend in the Gospel scene. 60 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,400 His name is Pete Odera. Well, I don't want to say old 61 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,640 because he's still very youthful, but then I was like a 62 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,600 very, very instrumental in terms of the Gospel scene. 63 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,240 Like back in the day when it was bubbling. 64 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,840 He was part of them, He was part of some group and then he did 65 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:36,440 his own sort of stuff. He's great. 66 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,400 We were struggling with a voice over and he came into the studio 67 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,840 and because he has experience, he just like, he just snapped 68 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:48,800 everyone into place real quick and got results in half or less 69 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,880 than half the time that we were that we're sitting there trying 70 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,920 to figure out it, figure out how to get the emotion out of the 71 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,640 voice of artists. But he was a bit talented, too. 72 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,400 I'm shouting. But yeah, anyway, so that was 73 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,400 that school in the studio doing client work, which is always 74 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,000 fun. Apart from that, not much 75 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,720 happened Saturday. I was outside. 76 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,200 I was outside. Oh really? 77 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:13,960 I was outside. Where were you? 78 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,720 Yep, took myself outside, went to CLC 1 male. 79 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,480 She is back in the country from her tour and she is playing. 80 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,720 She was playing in the Gecko Gecko Cafe. 81 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,400 So that was that was fun. Yeah, it was it was a good show. 82 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:35,240 I mean, I wasn't. I need to learn how to do shows 83 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,280 better and moving shows because I was, I was in the, I started 84 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:40,240 the I just like sitting at the back and watching everything 85 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,160 happen, being in front and like vibing and jumping to songs and, 86 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,200 you know, the energy and hyper. Like for me, being outside is 87 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,560 I'm I'm very, very, very comfortable and just being laid 88 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,000 back and sing. So I was, I was not in front, 89 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,320 but then it sounded good. She's a good performer. 90 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,240 Her band was was pretty, pretty good too. 91 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,040 It was great. And then she sold much outside. 92 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,560 I think I bought merchandise for the first time in a long time 93 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,320 from an artist. I cut myself something from her 94 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,360 much stand, which was really cool. 95 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,280 She had a bunch of T-shirts, hoodies, vinyls of her projects 96 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:18,760 and some like jewelry and stuff. So yeah, that was dope. 97 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,280 That was dope. Met a couple of people out 98 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:24,560 there. It was really fun. 99 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,160 Enjoy that. And then from there went over to 100 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,800 went over to the to the mist mist, the mist in Westlands, 101 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,240 same around Westlands, which is pretty not very far from. 102 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,560 It's in the it's at the mall, it's at the mall. 103 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,200 At the mall, yes, at the mall, At the basement of the mall. 104 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,800 So that was very cool. That was cool. 105 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,520 It was a gang, gang, gang, gang. Rather, I was going to say gang, 106 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:53,000 gang, gang, gang. And the I forgot who the 107 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,360 espresso was playing. So they had a show. 108 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,840 It was super dope, super dope. They had a show. 109 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:02,640 They they they Samboga yeah, listen AKA yeah listen. 110 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:09,960 Who was he had a set solo, had a set DJ and then Espresso came 111 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,360 out. They did a couple of songs, did 112 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,400 some of the unreleased stuff and some of the, you know, the hit 113 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,760 players. Who else performed? 114 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,040 TD Black was out there. TD Black performed. 115 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,480 She's a very good. Yeah, she's she's dope. 116 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,760 Like she she got the crowd really hype because I've never 117 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,840 seen her life. So that was interesting meeting 118 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,920 her and, and and just seeing her performing the energy and 119 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,320 everything. So that was really cool. 120 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,600 Who else performed? A couple of people. 121 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,600 Did you jump in to see it was them? 122 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,880 So it was a mix between like Express will come on. 123 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,280 Then they had an outperform extra. 124 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,840 So yeah, at some point did Mr. perform Mr. Sneaky Link, which 125 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,360 was cool. OK, Yeah, it was it was an 126 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,920 interesting first of them. When I got to the mist, it was 127 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,640 the mist is a very I don't know, I don't mean this in about it, 128 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,400 but it's a very like very shady looking spot, like it's just 129 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,680 old. And and when I walked into the 130 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,200 first thing I thought was like a bunch of crime cells have 131 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,840 probably been committed inside this in this small spot. 132 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,960 It's just a very Oh my. God. 133 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,600 Sam. No. 134 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,640 Can I say that Cook, Cook. Oh, no. 135 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,560 But yeah, it was. I was like, oh man, this is a 136 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,520 very, very interesting little spot. 137 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,200 But it was cool. This was very. 138 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,960 It was, it was adequately. Was it? 139 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,600 Was it packed? What the what the many people? 140 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's it was, I mean, I 141 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,120 would say it was full if everyone congregated together. 142 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,159 I won't say it was probably halfway or maybe a little less 143 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:35,960 than halfway. It wasn't. 144 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,720 It wasn't like a big, big crowd, but it was cool. 145 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,440 I saw a lot of a bunch of people in there from the music scene. 146 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,880 Valerie Madonna was out there, Xenia was out there, Iana was 147 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:46,960 out there. Big Z. 148 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just a whole bunch of people, 149 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,280 man. I think I saw my AMOL at some 150 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:52,240 point. Fire. 151 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,440 Yeah, it was, it was, it's like that crowd, you know that. 152 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:57,640 But they all, they all came out to, we all came out to support 153 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,360 Express. That's what I wasn't planning on 154 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,880 staying honestly when I got there first, but I decided to 155 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,320 stay and see what the boys but. The vibes kept you there man. 156 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I stayed, I stayed all the 157 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,880 way till the end. It was very cool, very cool. 158 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:15,160 Interesting outing. And yeah, 1:00 AM. 159 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,720 Went home, tried to espresso, man. 160 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,320 Love what they're doing, man. I'm just happy for them. 161 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,920 Mr. Liu Revamp. It's just cool seeing them go 162 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,320 continue to create for so long, you know, from the SoundCloud 163 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,280 days boys have been putting out. Those are those are those are 164 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,440 the peers for real, man. Yeah. 165 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,880 Because yeah, I know when I started producing like was 166 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,240 around the same time like Mr. Liu was producing. 167 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,560 So like, it's just those are people who we've grown up with 168 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:50,240 in the industry. Yeah, you just want to see them 169 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:51,720 succeed. You just want to see them 170 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,080 succeed. A lot of them in there. 171 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,640 Yes, Sir. Yeah, yeah. 172 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:07,320 So we talked about us doing Q&A last week and I want to say 173 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,360 shout out to you guys for actually coming through and 174 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:16,920 asking us a bunch of questions. So yeah, we just kind of wanted 175 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,680 to have like a chill episode where we just kind of, you know, 176 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,280 it's an episode about the podcast essentially, and it's 177 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,920 memories, IE myself and Sam. Yeah. 178 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,600 So we're just kind of, yeah, we're just kind of talking 179 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,920 about, you know, the questions that you guys asked and 180 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:43,360 hopefully giving you guys more insight into who we both are. 181 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,920 And yeah, so bro, I think I should just get right into it. 182 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:57,840 So Sam, my nephew actually asked a question on Instagram and he 183 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:03,000 was asking why? He was essentially asking like, 184 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:08,280 why I choose to get into music. So I want to extend that 185 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,200 question to you and then I'll answer after that. 186 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,440 So why did you choose to get into music? 187 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,720 And like, how did that all start? 188 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,160 How did I get into music? How did I get into music? 189 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,480 I this is really interesting. Interesting. 190 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:27,360 So I think when I was younger, my dad bought me, you know, 191 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,080 there's, I don't know if you ever got one of those Casio 192 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,040 keyboards that had like preloaded songs on them and, and 193 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,040 that you could like play. Yeah, I know the ones you're 194 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,360 saying. I know the ones you're saying, 195 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,920 yeah. So he brought well, let me let 196 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,640 me start before that. From a younger age, I've always 197 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,200 been interested in music. Like I used to sleep with the 198 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,640 radio on listening to music in the night. 199 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,120 And it just it just said me in somehow in in some way, But then 200 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,360 I wasn't really into it like that. 201 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,520 And then when I got that keyboard, I started playing 202 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:56,840 around. Funny enough, I didn't learn how 203 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,040 to play the piano. What I'd the first thing I was 204 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,240 doing was sampling, like I'd trigger the songs up there and 205 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,600 the beats and stuff like that to try and make new songs rather 206 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,400 than actually play the piano. I really wish I focused on 207 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:09,720 playing the piano because now I'm struggling. 208 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,240 But yeah, so I did that and then for a while that was cool. 209 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,080 And then I don't back in the days we had like Java phones, 210 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,360 the the Java applications downloaded games from a graphic 211 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:23,920 and whatnot, like Gameloft and stuff like that. 212 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,880 There was this app called Vibe. So it was essentially what it 213 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:32,280 was, was a mini DAW, yeah, where it had like kick snare, like 214 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,440 maybe like a full drum set and then it had maybe a keyboard, a 215 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,440 piano synth pad and like strings and stuff like that. 216 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,960 So I, that really fascinated me. So I started making ringtones, 217 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,240 like remaking ringtones. Then I went into like producing, 218 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,280 reproducing songs like I do like a Bob Marley, No Woman, No cry 219 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,520 and like make the full song in ringtone mode on my phone. 220 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,920 And I was so excited. I was like this is the best 221 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,960 thing. Ever I remembered I remembered 222 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:03,760 the ringtone mode I used to try and figure out how to like Make 223 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,880 in the End by by Linkin Park. Yeah. 224 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,440 So that was called like I actually went to look for it 225 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,600 because that's it was instrumental to my producing and 226 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,920 let me make this shorter. And then that was actually pre 227 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,360 effort PFL. So maybe a few months after I 228 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,160 discovered vibe, someone introduced me to Fruity Loops 229 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,440 and, and right around that time also I started doing like live 230 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,400 music, starting out live music, doing live sound, live sound 231 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,320 engineering. So that all came together. 232 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,840 And then once I started, I just to be honest, I haven't stopped 233 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:35,960 as I got into it. Yeah. 234 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,960 And how, how long, how long ago would you say? 235 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,520 Like when you started started. We about to age myself. 236 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,160 So I want to say let me just start in terms of how I started 237 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:51,040 producing my dear in like FLI won't say I started using FL 238 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,320 seriously in 2010. So how many years is that now? 239 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,960 That's like 14 years ago now. Oh my God. 240 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,080 That's a long time ago. But yeah, that's why I, I was 241 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,560 messing around with FL in 2010 and then I think I got serious 242 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:08,440 about like working with artists and producing and engineering in 243 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:13,640 2014 and I was in campus. So yeah, it's a long time ago, 244 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,080 man. Dang, I've aged myself. 245 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,360 How did you, how did you get That's fun? 246 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:24,800 Did you get into it? For me, it's such a random, like 247 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:32,120 I in 2012, I believe Chief Keef released the song I don't like. 248 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,400 And I've told this story multiple times. 249 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,840 Like, I listened to that song and then I was just like, you 250 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,720 know, this is insane. So I just did some research on 251 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,200 to who produced it and I found out it was produced by Young 252 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,080 Chop. And, you know, I looked, I 253 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,280 looked for Young Chop and I was just like, he's just like a, you 254 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,480 know, just like a bigger kid. Yeah. 255 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,000 Dreads from Chicago. Like, nothing about Young Chop 256 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,840 screamed like, cool. But like I really. 257 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,720 Superstar producer, I know. I saw myself in that. 258 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,600 I saw myself in that. And I was like, I know, yeah, 259 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,240 yeah, that's that's not great. But like, yeah, I was just like, 260 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:17,680 yo, so if Young Chop can make something so amazing, then so 261 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,080 can I. So I just googled how can how do 262 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,240 people make music? And everyone was like Fruity 263 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:26,880 Loops, FL Studio. So. 264 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,960 So I downloaded FL Studio, I think for the first time, I want 265 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,160 to say in like 2013. Yeah. 266 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,520 And I want to be a trap producer. 267 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,440 Yeah, I just. Now, so you bought it, of 268 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,560 course. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I 269 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,080 purchased, purchased it, of course. 270 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,120 And, and, and yeah, I was like, I just want to be a chap 271 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,120 producer. Actually, I wanted to be a drill 272 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,200 producer. Like I wanted to make Chicago 273 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,360 drill. So I just googled how do you 274 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,480 make that? And I bumped into 275 00:15:54,480 --> 00:16:00,800 busyworksbeats.com Anybody who makes music knows about busy 276 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:05,280 works beats. So bumped into his videos and he 277 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,840 was giving tutorial actually, no, actually before I bumped 278 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,920 into him, I bumped into some other content creator who was 279 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,680 showing, showing you like all the features on FL Studio. 280 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,960 And when, when I watched that video, I got so overwhelmed 281 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,960 because there was just so much about FL Studio that I just 282 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,200 didn't understand. And so I quit. 283 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,800 I quit making music. Well, I quit even learning how 284 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,480 to make music using FL studio for it was like 1 full year. 285 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,880 Wow. Some like I just, I gave it up 286 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,320 because I was, I was like, this is too complicated. 287 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,640 And then a year later I was like, Nah, I have to run this 288 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,680 back. Like, I really want to learn how 289 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,760 Chief Keef and all of them make like these slaps. 290 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,800 So I just, I brought, I was like, you know what? 291 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,040 This time I'm just going to stick with it. 292 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,800 And I think that's when I found busy works beats. 293 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:07,000 And he simplified it like way more than the other person who I 294 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,079 was watching. And I was like, OK, I can do 295 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:10,680 this. And so, yeah, then I just 296 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:16,440 started making chop beats and I remember I made a whole tape of 297 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,520 like 14 songs of trap beats and I still have them. 298 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,359 Oh, nobody will ever find them. I. 299 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,839 Need to hear those. I need to hear can you play 1? 300 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,720 Can you play one as an intro for the podcast please bro? 301 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,360 Please, you want me to play one for the intro as well? 302 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:35,920 Please. I actually can. 303 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,280 Like I act, I genuinely can. If I man, you know what? 304 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,520 Yeah, the the one that went crazy, it went platinum on the 305 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,520 streets was called Firetrap. I. 306 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,520 Named it Firetrap. I was, yeah, it was called 307 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,840 Firetrap. And I was so proud of that beat 308 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,120 when I produced it. That was the first beat I 309 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:56,880 produced. I was like, OK, maybe I'm 310 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,680 destined to be a producer. If you listen to it, it's like 311 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,760 really trash. But yeah, so that's what that's 312 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,520 how I. That's how I essentially got 313 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:05,840 into music. And then. 314 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:12,160 And then from there it was, yeah, just watching a bunch of 315 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:17,760 YouTube, YouTube tutorials. And around like 2016, that's 316 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,480 when like Internet money were becoming big and all was 317 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,800 starting. And then they were doing a bunch 318 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,920 of YouTube tutorials and I really got invested in those and 319 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,800 yeah, and just kind of kept at it. 320 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:38,840 So yeah, that's that's essentially brief, brief Cliff 321 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,080 note version of how Sam and I got into music. 322 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,240 I guess next question, I guess, I guess go ahead. 323 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,520 Through, through like just as someone else asked, through my 324 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,200 lens asked because it's sort of related, right? 325 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,800 What you needed, you did. You all, I guess did. 326 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:57,960 No, you should. You should shout. 327 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,320 You should. I think we should shout them 328 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,000 out. Yes, through through my lenses 329 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,160 dot PNG asked what you needed. You did you all attend? 330 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,640 What did you study and did you have career anxiety and 331 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,800 confusion or confusion after affirm you go first. 332 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:22,080 OK, so one thank you for this question to my lenses dot PNG. 333 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:30,320 So I went to, so after high school, I wanted to be a doctor, 334 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:39,120 so I went to, I got into you and um, and I was studying medicine. 335 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:42,800 Your boy was on course to be a doctor. 336 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:48,600 So I did that for three years. And in that time, that's when I 337 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:54,240 kind of like found out that I'm really artistic because I was 338 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,520 drawing and I was also making music. 339 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,880 And unfortunately, if you're doing something like medicine or 340 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,760 if you're studying something like medicine, it's very hard to 341 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,800 like be super, super invested in activities outside of that. 342 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,640 And you know, eventually I was just like, you know, I have to 343 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:19,040 pick like, do I want to do? This or do I want to, you know, 344 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:25,080 be a doctor because bro, like medicine is very, very intense, 345 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,160 especially when you start going to the wards and you're doing 346 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,480 ward rounds and you know, you have to kind of dedicate your 347 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:37,400 whole life to that stuff. And I just was like, you know, 348 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,160 I'd see my friends and I'm like, I just felt so disconnected 349 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,200 because it, like everyone else around me was or seemed super 350 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,080 invested in the whole medicine thing. 351 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,560 And I, for me, I just wasn't feeling the same way. 352 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,680 And I was wondering like, what's wrong and everything. 353 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,400 But yeah, eventually I just had to pick 1. 354 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:05,720 And so then after that, I, you know, ended up leaving medicine 355 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:12,000 and got lucky enough to, you know, come to the States of 356 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,800 which I got into a uni in Texas called TCU, Texas Christian 357 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,640 University, where funnily enough, I still did something 358 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:28,000 that was related to like the biology and chemistry field. 359 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,280 It was called combined sciences. So I did both biology and 360 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:37,440 chemistry like as my majors. And then I did a minor in 361 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:43,040 English and yeah, I did that. So that's what I did for 362 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,280 undergraduate. And then after that I did 363 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,440 masters. So I got into Syracuse 364 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,520 University, which is in New York. 365 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:59,160 I did a masters in audio arts, which was music business as well 366 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:04,840 as sound engineering. And have I ever had any career 367 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,160 anxiety? All the time because like audio 368 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:14,800 music, it's a very, it's it's a creative field. 369 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:20,680 And you know how those fields usually are like, you know, you 370 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,840 have to be very organized, I guess, to get the best out of 371 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,560 these fields. So, yeah, I mean, all the time, 372 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:35,800 you know, but I don't think I would ever trade anything for 373 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,480 this. Like just the ability to sit 374 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,640 down and create something from scratch that didn't exist 375 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,400 before. And that's that thing that you 376 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,360 created to be the most meaningful thing ever. 377 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:53,120 Like that's a feeling that's irreplaceable. 378 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,480 And I I would never trade that for anything. 379 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,920 So yeah, that's kind of my story. 380 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,720 How about yours? I went. 381 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,920 I went to Daystar at Daystar University, I studied psychology 382 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,840 at Daystar University and yeah, then currently doing a master's 383 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,640 in the same thing. So it's psychology and and 384 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,400 music. Music was just sort of always 385 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,240 the, the fun creative. Like I said, I think I've always 386 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,520 been a creative too. And I'm sorry, like you said, I 387 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,400 think I've just always been attracted and attracted to 388 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,920 creativity. And so there's definitely like, 389 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:37,040 because those two fields are seen as separate fields like 390 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,600 psychology and creativity, but there's definitely ways you can 391 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,320 merge them and do things in either field to complement, 392 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,520 Yeah, the differences, differences. 393 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:50,760 So, yeah, career anxiety isn't when you when you get to the 394 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,560 music field before you become an established artist, there is a 395 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,160 lot of anxiety and just trying to figure it out. 396 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,560 And so, yeah, so that's why I don't know if there are many 397 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,960 artists who don't artists and producers or people in the 398 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,760 creative field who don't deal with some sort of creative 399 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,520 career anxiety. And let's be real, we also we, 400 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:20,160 we are the common narrative is that we're in Africa and African 401 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,600 parents and you know, the society in general does not 402 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,240 value creativity as high as it values like being a doctor or 403 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,640 being a lawyer or some other more shore field. 404 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,200 So there's definitely always that there's always that push 405 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,320 and pull in the mind of a creative. 406 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,520 But again, like Affirm said, I would not want to be doing 407 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,960 anything else because just getting up and making something 408 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,600 from nothing and having that mean something to either me or 409 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,000 somebody else is priceless. So. 410 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,480 Yep, Priceless. Priceless. 411 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,080 Yeah. OK, so moving on. 412 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:05,880 So Mihagarati, which one is a top tier Instagram handle 413 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,680 anyway? Mihagarati asks what are both of 414 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,880 your top five genres to listen? To good question. 415 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:18,600 Some. OK, off the bat, in no no 416 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,800 particular order, number one EDM. 417 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,520 I like #1 EDM. OK yeah. 418 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,080 Oh, what you said in. No particular order, maybe when 419 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,840 I get you're. Already failing the exam maybe? 420 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,880 Maybe when I get to the end of Organism, but let's go. 421 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,720 So we do EDM. I like to listen to folk music, 422 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,800 so very stripped down, minimalistic, probably just like 423 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,000 a voice on guitars, soft drums if anything. 424 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,960 So I like that. So my favorite artists are man, 425 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,920 what's Bros name Ben Howard and that kind of music. 426 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,520 I really enjoy that. I can name more, but yeah. 427 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,680 And then so there's EDM and different journals of EDM too, 428 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:11,560 apart from dubstep, then Afro, Afro, Afro beat has Afro beat 429 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,040 has been creeping up. If I was putting it, Afrobeats 430 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,360 would probably be last. Actually, hip hop might be last 431 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,560 because I don't listen to much hip hop and so yeah, we have 432 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:29,200 EDM, folk, hip hop, Afrobeat and orchestral music, orchestral 433 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,720 music. Orchestral music. 434 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:37,360 Yes, scores and I really enjoy and I love me a good a good Lion 435 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:41,960 King soundtrack like and Johann PAC, Pacquiao Bell, I don't know 436 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,840 how to pronounce that. And Beethoven like I just that's 437 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,320 I really enjoy that kind of music. 438 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,800 Yeah, yeah. I would say it's those. 439 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,920 Of course there's some genres in there and there's different 440 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,920 genres I gravitate to within hip hop and I gravitate to within, 441 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,880 you know, like, but yes, generally. 442 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,720 I was going to extend that question and just say give us 443 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,880 your top three artist stroke bands. 444 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,080 I know hard question, just name them top three. 445 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,560 Just go, Just go, just go. Yeah, just off the top of your 446 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,840 head. Just off the top of my head, my, 447 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,480 well, my favorite band currently is Maribou State. 448 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,880 That'll be my OK. And they do electronic, 449 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,920 electronic music or electronic live music. 450 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,440 Dang, I think it's just, it might be just them. 451 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,920 What's his name? What's the guy? 452 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:35,080 The guy who produced The Lion King soundtrack and all the 453 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,720 other soundtracks that we love. What's his name? 454 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,280 Han Zima. Han Zima is up there. 455 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,160 I love Han Zima. Han Zima. 456 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,960 Yeah, it's amazing. One last one, one last one, one 457 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,360 last one. Oh man, can I think about that? 458 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,640 Because I don't just want to say something for saying sake. 459 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,280 Just one, just say one. Just say why. 460 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,200 But it's not to just say name first that comes to your mind. 461 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,000 1st that comes to my mind. Ben Howard, I'd say I like, I 462 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,120 like Ben Howard. I like. 463 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:04,840 Ben Howard is nice. I like what Ben Howard is doing, 464 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,640 yeah. OK, for me, first of all, I just 465 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,960 like to say our music tastes are so different because their 466 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,560 names, you've mentioned that I have no idea who they are, I'm 467 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,880 not going to lie. So I need to get into that. 468 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:23,160 I need to like listen to these different like bands and like 469 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,040 musicians. So that's pretty cool. 470 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:32,440 So for me, I guess my top five genres, OK, I think the genre of 471 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,840 music that got me into music like it was rock, like that's 472 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,280 the first thing that I like, really like resonated with. 473 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:47,520 And then I would say trap and hip hop, like that holds a big 474 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,400 part in my life. R&B of late R and BI think is 475 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,200 steadily rising to being like the my number one genre that I 476 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,480 listen to Afrobeats, of course, but specifically like more Altay 477 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,720 stuff. Like that's my vibe. 478 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,680 Like anything that's more Altay is just like what I love. 479 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,600 I've really in the past like three years gone down the drum 480 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,880 and bass rabbit hole. So I want to say drum and bass 481 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,000 is also like a big staple. Yeah, for me, I think those are 482 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,200 5, right. If I was to answer my own quest 483 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,360 question about my top three artists, I would say Paramore 484 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,800 has to be there. I'm I'm a massive. 485 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,000 Anybody who knows me knows I'm a huge. 486 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,640 Paramore. You talk about Paramore a lot. 487 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:49,960 Yes, Paramore is just Hayley Williams, Taylor York bro. 488 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:56,680 Fantastic, phenomenal musicians. I would say my second. 489 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,520 Oh my God, this was a hard question. 490 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,720 You weren't lying. I've been a huge Nirvana fan. 491 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,880 I know that's like such a like obvious like thing like band to 492 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:15,440 like, but like, yeah, Nirvana were always up there for me and 493 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,800 I and yeah, I just resonate with their music like insanely. 494 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,000 Back in the day, I would say Drake was a huge artist. 495 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,520 I listen to a lot. Yeah, I still listen to his 496 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,360 music a lot, but not as much as I used to. 497 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:41,080 But yeah, just for the fact, just for that run between 2011 498 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:47,880 to like 20/14/15, yeah, I listened to a lot of Drake 499 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,040 music. So not even 2011, like 2010. 500 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,440 Yeah, like, yeah, we listen to a lot of Drake music. 501 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,720 So yeah, Drake also System of a Down. 502 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,520 That's one of my favorite bands anyway, bringing up names. 503 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,960 It's a hard. Question because I haven't 504 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,760 thought about it in a minute. Yeah. 505 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,080 That's OK. I have. 506 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,800 I have an extension question. Real quick, real quick, real 507 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,840 quick. You're on an island and you can 508 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,200 only listen to one song currently. 509 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,120 Oh yeah, we were meant to live by Switchfoot. 510 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,200 That's. That's. 511 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,640 Oh yeah, That's, that's my favorite song of all time. 512 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,320 Oh, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna say that right now. 513 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,000 That's my favorite song of all time. 514 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,600 I can listen to that song on a loop for Infinity and I'll never 515 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,040 hate it. That's really cool because 516 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,280 that's in my top 100 songs of all time too. 517 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,880 Right now. It's a song called Nika, Nika 518 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,720 Libre's at Dusk by Ben Howard. It was on my, it's my OK, my 519 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,000 most pleased song for the past three years. 520 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,040 And I'm sure this this year, Spotify is going to put number 521 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,440 one too. I, I don't know, it's just a 522 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,600 brilliant song. So yeah. 523 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,440 That's Howard. I need to check him out. 524 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,160 Yeah, it's very. It's very, wait, made me the 525 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,280 guitars music. I don't know, I like what I 526 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,960 like. Let's go to the next question #1 527 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,280 real, not number 11, real under score Statesman shout out to you 528 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:25,520 asks what do you think about conscious rap and doing this in 529 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,960 Kenya with the use of orchestra beats? 530 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,880 What do you think? Well, one real statesman, I 531 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,840 would say. I think conscious rap is very, 532 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,880 very necessary, especially in this times that we're in like 533 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:47,720 where our social economic as well as our political like 534 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,080 situation is just really, really messed up. 535 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,400 We need way more people doing conscious like music even in 536 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,960 general. Yeah, right. 537 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:04,120 Because bro, you know, like I think now is the time for the 538 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,880 conscious stuff, you know, not just the ignorant, like, which I 539 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,400 still like ignorant music. That's just like a vibe. 540 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,400 I think now is the time for conscious. 541 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,800 Yeah, I think it's just time for conscious rap in general. 542 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,240 And I'm doing that in Kenya. Yes, perfectly OK. 543 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,560 I mean, yeah, like you see the likes of Kelly, Hippie Boy, 544 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,080 Black, those guys, they're always out here like, you know, 545 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:38,000 spitting. Rest in peace to Jason Kalinga, 546 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,160 man. Jason Kalinga is, I think is 547 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,240 forever going to be in our hearts. 548 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:50,800 But the stuff that he was rapping about in those days on 549 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,240 SoundCloud, I was like, how was he so informed? 550 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,000 And how did he have access to so much meaningful information? 551 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,240 And like he was thinking about things so critically back then 552 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,199 when I feel like the rest of us were just kind of thinking 553 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:12,159 about, I don't know, going to Westie or just having fun. 554 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,440 I don't know, like, and you see, it's people like those who don't 555 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,840 get forgotten. Like we, I don't think we will 556 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,840 ever forget his impact in the industry. 557 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:26,960 So yes, definitely, definitely conscious rap, it lingers more, 558 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,880 it stays more, it has more staying power and using 559 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,480 orchestral type beats. Yeah, why not? 560 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,719 Yeah. What do you think so? 561 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,480 Yeah, yeah, I think I share your sentiments. 562 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:46,120 The I think I don't want to put the burden on conscious rappers. 563 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,400 But then conscious rappers are usually the ones who say much 564 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:54,880 who say who, who, who tell on, on the culture and the, the, 565 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,320 the, the journal of the culture. Of course, in terms of like the 566 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:05,040 real deep stuff the guys were rapping about the fun, lighter 567 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,040 hearted stuff are necessary because we need to break some of 568 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,880 that seriousness. But conscious rap is cool, man. 569 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,440 We, I, I do think we need to figure out a way to make 570 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,840 conscious rap. I feel like conscious rap has 571 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:21,280 always been for the most part, a niche and neglected part of the 572 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,120 the industry and we sort of leave it to like the underground 573 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,720 people and stuff. But then it's, it really helps 574 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:32,080 if, if it's put in the mainstream of locally the, I 575 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,040 mean guys like Gidi, Gidi Magi Magi and the older rap groups 576 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,120 who spoke a lot about what's going on in the city and tried 577 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,200 and made that popular. We, we need more of that these 578 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,520 days. Also, we need a lot of people 579 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,440 talking about what's going on and doing it over orchestral 580 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,320 beats. I haven't, I honestly haven't 581 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,600 heard that, but I want to hear conscious rap over some strings 582 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,280 and and and. But that always what do you mean 583 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:04,880 like that always goes hard? Yeah, it does it and OK and not 584 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,400 like samples, not samples like. So you know what would be cool 585 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,200 if if if someone does a show and they're a rapper and this sign 586 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,000 standing for like the let's say the pick a venue alchemist and 587 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,440 they're doing their raps and whatever, but rather than beats 588 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,760 and stuff it's just like 4 violinists and a cellist. 589 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,920 Didn't like metro booming do that once or something. 590 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,680 I I, I know that like an orchestral. 591 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,120 Yeah, I think that was recently that would go. 592 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,160 Hard. It would be crazy, yeah, but I'd 593 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,160 like to see that. Someone should do that. 594 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,880 Hey, that's an idea. That's an idea out there. 595 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,200 Giving ideas away for free. Imagine that. 596 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:42,040 That's. What we do here? 597 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:49,000 OK, so next question. This is from I believe it's 598 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,760 Mikey Dredd or Mickey Dredd or that Yardy guy on Instagram and 599 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,840 he DMS us and he says I started listening to the pod from I 600 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,720 think episode 27 ski. If you see me here the guy what 601 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:09,440 ski the ski episode Anyway wow that was episode 27 interesting. 602 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,160 Anyway sorry he was anyway I got distracted. 603 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,760 Sorry this is my ADHD brain. So anyway so he says ski which 604 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,040 was the title. I would like you guys to talk 605 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,920 about your fears and how you overcome them. 606 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,840 Oh wow, wow, are we doing that? What are your fears? 607 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,400 Oh man. Oh, another one to get another 608 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,200 one to get like super deep. I'll, I'll keep it brief because 609 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,040 I do be thinking a lot. One of the things I've struggled 610 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,480 with as as a creative is not, it's not necessarily the fear of 611 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,400 failure, but it's the fear of success because with the OH. 612 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:52,560 Sounds, sounds, sounds. Because with are you? 613 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,720 Are you, are you fear of success? 614 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,600 Yeah, because. Let's go. 615 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,800 So sorry. Let's go so. 616 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,960 This is how this is how I've processed it, right? 617 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,600 My fear is that if I do something really well, and it's 618 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,360 the fear of failure masquerading in the fear of success, I think 619 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,880 because if I do something well, I'm going to have to keep that 620 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,160 up, you know? And that's the pressure that we 621 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,880 put on ourselves is OK. Like, for example, if you have a 622 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,480 hit song as an artist and you feel you're afraid of am I going 623 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,120 to be able to make a new one and a new one, and am I going to be 624 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,360 able to sustain that? And then am I going to grow? 625 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:25,760 That's valid. Yeah. 626 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,800 That's so you're free. You're not necessarily. 627 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,520 So you're afraid of failing, but you're so afraid of failing that 628 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,320 you fear success and actually being good at what you're doing. 629 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,760 And that's such a, that's such a terrible mentality to have. 630 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,000 Like it's, it's horrible. I hate I it's, it's something I 631 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,360 like if I'm being vulnerable, like I've really worked on. 632 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,200 And, and the way you get over it for me, I guess, is to take that 633 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,560 pressure off yourself. Like it's OK to like, not 634 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,440 everything has to be amazing. Like start like. 635 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,720 And you usually say it a lot in the three CS 2. 636 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,720 Just yeah, one step at a time. It doesn't have to be a Grammy 637 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:06,760 winning song off the bat. And some of those like songs 638 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,120 that like do really well, I mean, some, some, some has gone 639 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,640 through that like with a song that's done really, really well 640 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:21,200 commercially. And you just have to like 641 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,480 appreciate this lightning in a bottle moment. 642 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,400 I mean, I had I had the thing with little minor. 643 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,440 Yeah. And you just have to appreciate 644 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,000 the IT for what it is and move on. 645 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:40,040 Because I will never make another cocoa butter and neither 646 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,800 do I want to. I don't really want to. 647 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:42,760 Make another thing. Yeah. 648 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,760 So, yeah, sure. I want to remake that song, 649 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:45,840 right? I want to move on and do 650 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,440 something else. Yeah, you just want. 651 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:53,000 So you just have to be like, it's cool that happened, but I 652 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,760 want to make different stuff and just and don't try and chase 653 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,080 that because you will never like get it again. 654 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,640 You can only do different things. 655 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:09,000 So you just have to let go of whatever, you know, those things 656 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,080 and just kind of appreciate that. 657 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,080 Yes, it's great. It was great, but we're doing 658 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:16,840 other things now. I don't know. 659 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,960 What's your fears? What are you afraid of? 660 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:29,120 I am afraid of heights, yeah. Success. 661 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,800 Let's go with heights. Yeah, yeah, me. 662 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,520 I'm afraid I'm. I'm not very good with heights. 663 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:41,120 I remember once going on a date and we were on a Ferris wheel 664 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:46,280 and bro, I just did not enjoy that experience a lot at all. 665 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,080 Oh, were you holding? Were you? 666 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,200 Holding on to the poor, the poor lady like. 667 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:59,600 Maybe I was, maybe I was. She found it hilarious that I 668 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,480 wasn't. It was crazy. 669 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,600 I guess that made it memorable. But yeah, you see, what am I 670 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,240 doing to overcome it? Nothing. 671 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,480 I'm not going to be skydiving or bungee jumping anytime soon. 672 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,600 I love the ground. The ground is nice, it's safe, 673 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,880 and I will be staying with my 10 tools down. 674 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,400 Yes, 10 tools down. Like what I'm the definition of 675 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,360 10 tools? I like what gravity is doing. 676 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,000 I like what gravity does. Oh man, I. 677 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,440 Love it. I love it. 678 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,640 OK, that is fun. Yeah. 679 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,000 Do you want? To sure, sure, sure. 680 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,600 Let me read another question. This one is a more technical one 681 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,960 by Wanna Be Rich 11 Hey, wanna be rich? 682 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,320 We all want to be rich. Honestly, me too, he says. 683 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,560 He or he or she, I don't know. Can I use type beats? 684 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,280 Can I use YouTube type beats without purchasing yet received 685 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,760 royalties? And then you put sketch EMP 686 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,120 wallet. I'm not sure what that is. 687 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,320 I'm not sure about the end of the question but no you can't 688 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,600 because that's going to be fraudulent. 689 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:12,480 Like you can't just RIP off beats from YouTube and expect to 690 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,080 be paid. Of course the producers are 691 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:22,040 going to flag your stuff on YouTube so I would not advise 692 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:27,600 you to go on YouTube and just get type beats and not not reach 693 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:35,040 out to the producer and either agree on splits or you know. 694 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,960 By the leases. So although I would say the 695 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,520 brief answer to that is, yeah, OK, no, sorry. 696 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,440 I would say if, if the producer, I mean, it still gets sketchy 697 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,640 because sometimes, sometimes producers do things to market 698 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,880 themselves and they don't really mean it. 699 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,240 But then if you see if, if you really do want to be get paid 700 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,000 from royalties from YouTube type beats, make sure that it's 701 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,680 clearly stated that it's a royalty free beat and it's free, 702 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,280 royalty free free beat, right? That tech and the producer 703 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,680 doesn't want anything extra. They just want to choose the 704 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,040 beat. But if you don't see that and 705 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,240 it's more like reach out to me and stuff like that, like the 706 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,560 producers reach out to me. And you probably should do that 707 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,600 if you want to use the music, if not content, the content. 708 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,760 But the content police are very they're becoming really good at 709 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,760 their job. So you can't just get away with 710 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,880 anything these days. But more context, even if a beat 711 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,640 on YouTube says free, yeah it's most likely not free. 712 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:37,120 A lot of the Youtubers or people who post beats on YouTube both 713 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,600 just say that to get you to listen to the beat. 714 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,040 But it's not free. It's if you read the 715 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,200 description, there's always going to be a link to beat stars 716 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,640 or whatever. And then you you purchase the 717 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,600 beat from there. Or they might have like a deal 718 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,400 where they'll say you buy one, get 3 beats free, yeah, blah 719 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,280 blah blah. But still, you're still going to 720 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,760 have to like bust down the split splits and everything. 721 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,760 That's, I mean, that's why I said like sometimes producers do 722 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,080 that to, to to push their stuff, but then just make sure, make 723 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:17,280 sure that that you know what the producers conditions are for 724 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,840 using the music before you use it. 725 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,400 Don't just close your eyes and do it. 726 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,960 Because I mean, if you're a small artist, of course no one 727 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,080 would, would, would, would catch you. 728 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,800 But then that could catch up to you later on. 729 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,600 Later on you blow up, you have a hit song and then producers go 730 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,720 back in or down. He use my beat and then now 731 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:36,680 they're collecting everything. So yeah, I guess that's how I 732 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,160 would answer that. Do we have some else? 733 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:47,640 Yes, we do. OK, so this is from, I think 734 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,040 it's Mutti, Mary Lynn. I'm just going to say Mary Lynn 735 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:58,360 and she's been asking when are we going to do a a meet and 736 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,040 greet? And so yeah, we'll just bunch 737 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,360 the questions or the people who've asked like how can we 738 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:09,320 meet you or are we going to do a meet and greet that type of 739 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,480 vibe. Some tell us when we're going to 740 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,600 do a meeting. Well, we could all purchase 741 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,240 tickets to fly to New York, I think. 742 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,400 Yeah, it's a bit complicated now just because I'm not in the 743 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:30,320 country, but I will be in the countries in the future, So 744 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:35,120 maybe we could plan something like that soon. 745 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,040 Yeah, it would be nice. It would be nice to meet all of 746 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,480 your. It would like it would, I mean, 747 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,920 I've said this a lot, but then I, I really, and even over the, 748 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,040 the weekend when I was at the mist, I met a couple of like 749 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,200 people who were fans of the podcast. 750 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,040 And it's just like really interesting to see people who 751 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,480 enjoy. So it'd be nice to meet and just 752 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,360 have maybe have the, the sort of conversations we're having on 753 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,680 the podcast, like with people in real life, like that would be 754 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:01,840 super cool. So we could plan them. 755 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,120 And maybe say some of the things we can't say on the podcast in 756 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,000 person. We might be like some actual 757 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,800 tea. We can have the real 758 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,160 conversations. But yeah, and it's also very 759 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,480 humbling, I guess, and honoring that people would want to meet a 760 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,440 bunch of hermits and producers to talk about stuff. 761 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,520 So I'm personally honored. Thank you for wanting to meet. 762 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,640 We'll figure it. Out, but that's it's crazy, I'm 763 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,520 not going to lie. Some, you know, you've met like 764 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,680 I think I've met like a handful of people who've listened to the 765 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:41,560 podcast, like in person, which so for me, it's like I don't 766 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,760 even know if these people are like, you know, like I feel like 767 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,440 sometimes I feel like I'm just talking into the void. 768 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:52,400 So it's reassuring to hear that you've met like people in Oh. 769 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,760 No, that's. Nice, I like it. 770 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,440 Yeah. Yes, Sir. 771 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,960 Yeah, man. What else? 772 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,280 What else was on the question? I think so. 773 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:10,120 Links to that Chi Weru official asks how do you get to be in the 774 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,720 show? How do you get to be on the 775 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:15,840 show? OK, so essentially when we 776 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,720 started this podcast, some and I were very, very unwilling to 777 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:25,280 even interview artists because we we, because when we started 778 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,000 this podcast, we were like, we just want to talk to music 779 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,000 industry professionals, like the people behind the scenes, the 780 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:38,560 managers, the Anrs, the booking agents, the talent agents, blah, 781 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,520 blah, blah. Like that's all we wanted. 782 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,440 Those are all the people we wanted to talk to because we 783 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:48,280 wanted this to be like a podcast that gives you insight into how 784 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,640 the music industry works, operates essentially. 785 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,800 But since then, we've become a little bit more open to the idea 786 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:01,480 of talking to artists, talking to producers and, you know, just 787 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,920 like being, you know, more free flowing, I would say. 788 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:11,040 Yeah. But I guess how would we, how 789 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,120 would people get to be on the podcast? 790 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,760 I mean, there has to also be like a bit of a rapport. 791 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,680 We have to, you know, kind of at least have like some 792 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:25,800 conversations behind the scene, you know, maybe meet in person 793 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,560 so we know there's like chemistry there. 794 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:34,360 And yeah, I mean, usually if these things, I don't want to 795 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:40,400 get all Astro, not astrological. But hey, if it's meant to 796 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,400 happen, it it, it will happen. Yeah. 797 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,160 That's such a bad answer. K Sarah. 798 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,360 Sarah, whatever will be, will be. 799 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,840 Yeah. So. 800 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,480 So everyone has opinions. For me, I'm also interested in 801 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,600 talking to like the people who listen to music, right? 802 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,520 Because their opinions is what drives for the most part, what 803 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,160 drives the people behind the scenes to make the decisions 804 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,200 that they make to some extent. So I mean, if there's a way we 805 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:16,160 could again, chemistry, if you have that sort of connection, I 806 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,920 guess it we could figure out some. 807 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,640 But yeah. In, in conjunction to this, 808 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:31,760 surely the CLA asks, would we collab with other artistic 809 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,600 podcasters? So I guess we could also extend 810 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,600 this to would we do other podcast collabs? 811 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,840 And I think we we've, we've only done one podcast collab. 812 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,480 Yes, yeah, we did the breaking hard, breaking hard way back in 813 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,000 the. Earlier, way back in this way, 814 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,560 to be back in the day like we've been doing this for years. 815 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,280 OK, it was last year. Oh my God, what's wrong with the 816 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,440 Yeah, it was the last year. It's. 817 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,600 Still way back, though we've had a long. 818 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,720 I guess in a nutshell, the answer is yes. 819 00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:04,320 Yeah, we would definitely collab with other podcasters. 820 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,840 Yes, yes, yes, the. Yeah, why not? 821 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,440 I think. I think it would be fun to 822 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,440 collab with other podcasters so. Yeah, especially other 823 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,400 podcasters that also talking about like, music and stuff like 824 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,640 that in this space. It'd be good to talk about them. 825 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,160 I just want to shout out MC Gabs. 826 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:31,600 MC Gabs on this also asked that all he said that his question is 827 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,040 can I meet you? So I was just want to shout him 828 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,720 out for also adding to that conversation. 829 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:49,360 Let's see, let's see, let's see. Whizzy goes by Whizzy boy, not 830 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,640 Lil Wayne, but Whizzy boy on Instagram asks, Hey, I'm a big 831 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,000 fan of the podcast. I'm from Umoja. 832 00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,240 I've been listening to your views on the music industry in 833 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:05,320 Kenya and it's evident that you have some knowledge that 90% of 834 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,040 the masses don't have. Oh my God, thank you, he says. 835 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,480 I do music as well and my question is do you guys offer 836 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,320 recording sessions and mastering? 837 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,120 If I can, if I can speak for me myself. 838 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,280 OK, Yeah. I mean, we could, we could talk 839 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,320 about that in, in, in, in the further in the DMS. 840 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,920 But yeah, I guess that can be arranged. 841 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,400 That can be arranged if you do music. 842 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:45,480 That can be arranged. I mean, for me, I guess the 843 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,880 answer is yes for sure. Like mastering, recording. 844 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,680 Yeah, mixing. Right now it's it's also, I 845 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,200 mean, we're also very well, I don't know. 846 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,960 Well, if I can also speak for myself, I'm also curating the 847 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:05,280 artist who I work with. So it just depends you know that 848 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,840 that times where you've done some you work purely on a pay 849 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,920 like basis, but there's sometimes you also want to. 850 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,640 Build with people. Work with people who you're 851 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,800 artistically like invested with I guess. 852 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:25,920 So it depends. So Sam, this question actually 853 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:33,120 comes from your brother. So your your brother Dee asks 854 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,320 when are y'all dropping music together? 855 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:44,280 And well, how can he rap on that essentially. 856 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,840 So yeah, some tell the mass, tell the masses when we are 857 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,480 dropping music together. Put it on me. 858 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,160 Actually, I was, I was, I was remaining alpha earlier. 859 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,400 And like we were supposed to when we first met, we were 860 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,440 supposed to work on a project. We're supposed to re re redo all 861 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,640 the R&B songs and make them modern and then put out an EP of 862 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,200 that. But four or five years later, 863 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,400 here we are. At least we we are working on 864 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,440 something different with the podcast. 865 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,000 When are we working on? Yeah. 866 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,280 I mean, we did the ultimate collaboration. 867 00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:18,600 What was that? Oh yes, yeah. 868 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:20,280 You're talking about the podcast? 869 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,800 Yes. That's the ultimate 870 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,000 collaboration. Release an album every week. 871 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:31,840 Every week in terms of timing. Although some we did collaborate 872 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,800 on a song, the only problem is it never came out. 873 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:35,480 Oh. Yeah. 874 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,720 Can we, can we talk about it? I mean, is it good to come out 875 00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:40,560 at this point? Yeah, no, it's not going to come 876 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,280 out, but we can't talk about. So I included it. 877 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,120 I included a clip of us listening to the song on the 878 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,000 video which we posted on our Instagram. 879 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,960 Yeah, and me and some both Co produced a song for Boutros way 880 00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,400 back and well, I say that the song was called back-to-back, 881 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,720 back-to-back. And yeah, that was such a nice 882 00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:04,800 session. Some when? 883 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,080 Yeah, that was. The first time we ever we ever 884 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,440 sat down to make a be together. We should do more of that I 885 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,440 guess. AFAM is busy. 886 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,440 AFAM is really busy, just getting the money, getting the 887 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:14,880 money. And so it has no time for me. 888 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,040 What AFAM gets time? Don't even start that as another 889 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,360 deal. What are you talking? 890 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,480 About but he gets time and and he's he's able to give me like 891 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,840 just 2020 minutes of of his, of his very, very busy money making 892 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,400 schedule. Then we'll do it and D of course 893 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,960 we'll we'll again jump in the DMS. 894 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,040 Will rope you. Tell him, tell him my brother to 895 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,640 jump in the DM. If we, if we think listen, if 896 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:44,520 we, if we think we can, you know, have like some, some good 897 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:49,360 chemistry, that's you know. Man, no. 898 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:50,240 We should. We should. 899 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:52,640 Think about something we should think about being we. 900 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,280 Should some we genuinely need to collab? 901 00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,880 Yeah. And it better be fire too. 902 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,040 Can you make a song and it's not good? 903 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,080 Oh my God, by the way, we have so much pressure. 904 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,960 We have that too much pressure. The. 905 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,280 Whole podcast like oh this too. They're always talking about 906 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,800 music and calling other people's music like it could be better 907 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,960 and here they are releasing some trash now. 908 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,200 It has to be great. That, that that would suck. 909 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,120 Yeah. So if we release anything, it 910 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,520 has to be astronomical. Yeah. 911 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,320 Anyway. But yeah, we'll we'll definitely 912 00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:26,080 listen. That's an idea for the future. 913 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,800 So we'll definitely put that in our list of ideas. 914 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,720 OK, so I, I guess we have two more questions. 915 00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:40,120 This one comes from it's Masha who says if I've been listening 916 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:44,720 to 30%, I see what he did there with the if I'm I'm listening to 917 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:49,800 30% episode 99. Shout out to both of you, by the 918 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,200 way, for the work and progress. Thank you so much. 919 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,520 Also, thank you to everybody who's, you know, just shouted us 920 00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,560 out for or congratulated us for getting to episode 100. 921 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:01,720 Thank you. Shout out to you guys. 922 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,280 So anyway, he says, so I start. Yeah, so he says. 923 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,960 So I started listening to the podcast on episode 64 and I 924 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,360 liked the podcast so much I caught up and started again on 925 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,440 episode 1. Oh my God. 926 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,920 Currently on episode 50. Wow. 927 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,240 He says the goal is to be caught up on all the episodes by the 928 00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:27,080 time 100 drops. Only worry is now I won't have 929 00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,720 any more episodes to watch. Might do it all again just for 930 00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:33,320 the pure germs you drop. Oh my God, that's. 931 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,320 So that's so nice and that's a lot of salmon from in your ear 932 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,040 too. Thank you though. 933 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,160 I appreciate it. But. 934 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,560 Then he says enough glazing though. 935 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,280 OK yes he's redeemed himself a little bit. 936 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,200 Enough glazing though. I'm about to officially launch 937 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:57,120 my producer journey, been bedrooming since 2019 and I'd 938 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,440 like to have a go at being professional like placement and 939 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,360 ETC. Any tips you have would be 940 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,280 grateful. Would be greatly helpful and 941 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:13,400 hopefully you could talk about this on episode 100 Some take it 942 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:19,680 away. Oh man, my first advice would be 943 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:27,040 find new when we talk placements, producers tend to, 944 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,680 especially when you're starting, you know, you have very, very, 945 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,520 very lofty high goals and you want to produce for the hit 946 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,520 makers and everything, but it might be very intimate. 947 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,800 I mean, either way, it's profitable depending on how you 948 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,360 go about it, but it's it's a lot. 949 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,000 For me personally, I found it more fulfilling. 950 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,600 I didn't wish to say it like that. 951 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,680 I found it very fulfilling. I'm going to say more, but I 952 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,920 found it very fulfilling working with smaller artists and just 953 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,280 people around you who might not necessarily have the name, but 954 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,640 you see something in them and then you can build with them and 955 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,280 create and build a trust and a chemistry. 956 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,400 I mean, we look at some of the biggest duos in terms of 957 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,520 producer artists. If you look at like the States, 958 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:12,720 Drake and 40 Boy Wanda and Drake, Drake has had a whole 959 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,360 bunch of them actually. Metro booming and future Metro 960 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,480 booming and 21 S Timberlake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 961 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,160 There's so many producers where you take them from when they're 962 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,040 smaller, younger, not younger, but then smaller and just newer, 963 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,160 I guess, and then you work with them and you both grow together. 964 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,560 That's honestly one of the best ways you can do it because then 965 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,920 you've established a trust as you grow on and the more you do 966 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,480 that, the more attention you would draw to yourself because 967 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,400 you're not just sitting there shipping off work like you're 968 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,160 actually building something. So that's the first aspect. 969 00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,120 Second aspect is listen, if you want, if you want placements and 970 00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,760 you want to work with some of the the whoever it is, big 971 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,080 artist, small artist, you have to shoot your shot, you know, 972 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,840 just shoot your shot. Jump in the DMS, go talk to 973 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:10,280 their managers, you know, go for their shows, be around the 974 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:15,360 artist and and try and put yourself in their world. 975 00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,840 Not necessarily just sit down and send DMS off. 976 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,680 It actually helps you. Like go for a show, it gives you 977 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,280 his brownie points. There now. 978 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,160 So I mean, I completely agree with you some I feel like for 979 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:31,440 me, like in my producer journey, like when I started now, like 980 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:36,320 being confident in enough to start sending beats to artists, 981 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,320 artists. I think that was like 2016. 982 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:44,400 And bro, I just used to send a lot of DMS like on SoundCloud. 983 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,040 Bro remember did you ever like message people on SoundCloud? 984 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,120 I know like. That was my that was my bag. 985 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,200 That was my bag. I used to mention message people 986 00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,360 directly on SoundCloud and then also just used to be in the DMS 987 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,640 like shamelessly bro. I used to try and work with 988 01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,040 everyone under the sun. Anybody in the industry? 989 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,800 Wait, say that one more time. Yeah, so you try and work with 990 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,720 everyone under the sun, just whoever, whoever is alive. 991 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,440 Now for real bro, I'm pretty sure I even sent Adm to like 992 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,920 Jay-Z like when I was starting I was like you. 993 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:26,520 I'm trying to and I know that sounds like a joke but I'm not 994 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:32,680 joking. But anyway, you're like, you 995 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,000 just have to shoot your shot bro. 996 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:40,200 And you I can't even lie. You're going to get rejected 997 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:44,280 probably like 90% of. I was just about to say that. 998 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,920 Like, that's part of it. Don't take that personally. 999 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,480 It's it's yeah. And it's hard. 1000 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,080 It's hard to not take it personally, especially when you 1001 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,320 associate yourself so deeply with the music, because the 1002 01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,280 music sometimes becomes an extension of yourself. 1003 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,400 It's like, if that gets rejected, then you're being 1004 01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,840 rejected. And that's genuinely something 1005 01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,960 that I've struggled with a lot because it's just like, it's 1006 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,600 hard because sometimes you work so hard on some stuff and you 1007 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,640 have genuine, like, dope intentions and you really want 1008 01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,000 to, like, make it. And you want to work on this 1009 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,680 with an artist. And they just don't give you the 1010 01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,960 same energy. But, you know, you just have to. 1011 01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,840 You just have to move on and like Sam said, not take things 1012 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,560 personally. But yeah, I think being 1013 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:38,680 outgoing, going to shows, meeting the managers, super 1014 01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,840 important. Like for me, the song Coco 1015 01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,520 Butter came along because I have a friendship with Steph, the 1016 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:50,200 rapper who manages Little Minor, and she was looking for beats. 1017 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,760 And I said I have beats, and I sent them to, to to Little Minor 1018 01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:59,080 through her. And yeah, he came to the studio. 1019 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,480 Listen to them and boom. Also try and put yourself in 1020 01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,240 positions where things happen. So if there's a studio around 1021 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:11,040 you that you know about, try and get yourself in there. 1022 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:15,320 There are a bunch of producers who I know who are super, I 1023 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,120 wouldn't say their names are out here, but like who are super 1024 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,800 keen to just be in the studio all the time. 1025 01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,960 And they just take advantage of being there to like even if they 1026 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,560 have 15 minutes to do their thing outside of like what's 1027 01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,280 actually happening in the studio, Like they take that 1028 01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,920 opportunity and run with it. Like they'll record like 1029 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,520 something in this small time that they have. 1030 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:43,720 But most importantly, is what Sam said, if you want to really, 1031 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:48,280 really make it, look around you and forget about the people who 1032 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,200 are already established. Those people are gone. 1033 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,000 Look around you and look at the people who are at your level. 1034 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,080 Like if you see somebody who's just starting out, maybe they're 1035 01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,960 not so good. Don't even worry about that. 1036 01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:07,200 But if you see an element of like, of like brilliance in 1037 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,960 them, and you know that like in two years this person can be 1038 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,880 really good, stick with that person because the people who 1039 01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,160 you're at the same level with today are the people who will 1040 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:24,160 be, like big names in the future. 1041 01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,360 So just have that foresight and understand, yeah, OK, I wouldn't 1042 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:32,440 get the success right now, but it's going to come. 1043 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:38,200 So you just have to be open to the idea of working with 1044 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,200 building like, yeah, just like your peers. 1045 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,400 Yeah, that's true. That's true. 1046 01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,280 That's true. And and. 1047 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,160 OK, Sam. And sorry, sorry. 1048 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:51,280 Just to wrap that up, you, you, you gain more skills working 1049 01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:55,800 with new artists because then like if if you're really keen 1050 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,240 into making the music work and it'd been successful, then you 1051 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:02,000 have to learn things like marketing and, and how to 1052 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:03,560 promotion. And if it just like working with 1053 01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,120 an artist in the studio, you know, rather than just shipping 1054 01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,680 off beats. And so there's just more you can 1055 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:13,880 learn from working with a new artist and having one artist or 1056 01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,760 two artists, however many that you are building with. 1057 01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,840 Yeah, that helps a lot. Yeah, but. 1058 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,360 OK, Sam, you know the last question. 1059 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,640 Yeah, missions from Nash. Yeah. 1060 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:35,000 Nashege goes by Sayanka on Instagram and he says this is a 1061 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,320 bit of a loaded question though. Hey guys, I hope you're well. 1062 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,600 I have just listened to the podcast and I have a question. 1063 01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,160 I'm a budding producer making EDM. 1064 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,400 I will hopefully release a track in the next few months. 1065 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,120 Congratulations to him. I am not encouraged by 1066 01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,440 everything that I hear about our CMOS. 1067 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:58,120 I would like to join a foreign 1 outside the American ones. 1068 01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,880 They withhold 30%. I'm not sure about that, but 1069 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,840 okay. Would there be any ones that you 1070 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:08,240 recommend? Let let me just answer. 1071 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:13,280 So I think the one that I know is really good, the the 1072 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:18,080 collective society I know that's really, really good is I believe 1073 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:23,600 the South African music rights organization, the Sambro. 1074 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,160 I believe they serve. They serve like other African 1075 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,440 artists who are just not in South Africa. 1076 01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,800 So they are definitely worth doing research into. 1077 01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:42,600 And sound exchange is another one that you can apply to and 1078 01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,520 they service like the global stage, although I think they 1079 01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:53,440 mostly work on other collect royalties for I believe is it 1080 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,760 called non terrestrial music? So so not music on radios. 1081 01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:02,360 I think it's like music things like Pandora and SiriusXM and 1082 01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:06,240 stuff like that. So they collect royalties from 1083 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,840 there. But it's still worth looking 1084 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:14,680 into sound exchange. Yeah, those are the ones that I 1085 01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,320 know. But Sam rule, like going down 1086 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:21,360 the Sam rule rabbit hole will definitely lead to some. 1087 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,120 I mean, yeah, you could. Lead to like some. 1088 01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,320 Answers yeah, you could, you could still sign up with like 1089 01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:32,200 BMI and ASCAP is that they don't close it off to to I don't know 1090 01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:38,680 if they do distribution, but then they in terms of collecting 1091 01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,960 royalties, it's it's possible to sign up from wherever you are 1092 01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,920 and one of those is free. Is it BMI or ask up that's free 1093 01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,640 to sign up? I think they're both free to 1094 01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,720 sign up now. But yeah, the only thing is I 1095 01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:57,280 think their jurisdiction is gonna be limited to music. 1096 01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,160 That's. I mean, yeah, well, that's 1097 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,760 that's the caveat is is probably only be able to collect from 1098 01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,880 music that's played in the countries that they service. 1099 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,200 So. But yeah, there's a bunch. 1100 01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,360 But you never know. There's a bunch in Europe. 1101 01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:12,400 So there's a bunch. There's a. 1102 01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,760 Just do about do research. I think there's one in like, I 1103 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,960 think there's one in like Ireland that people go to. 1104 01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:20,120 So yeah. Yeah. 1105 01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,360 But some rule is a good place to start. 1106 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:27,680 Yeah, some. OK, well, I think that's all for 1107 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,400 the questions. Fun stuff. 1108 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:32,680 Yeah. That was, that was actually 1109 01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,160 really fun. So shout out to you all for 1110 01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,320 actually asking us questions and engaging with us. 1111 01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:47,720 And yeah, man, I just wanted to say thank you for listening to 1112 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,920 this podcast for 100 episodes. You don't know how much that 1113 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,120 means to both Sam and I, man, it's been a roller coaster. 1114 01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:01,600 It's not been easy. Like Sam and I have like 1115 01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:06,640 difficult conversations, like, you know, like it's we're 1116 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,920 creating a brand, we're working together. 1117 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:14,400 And but like, at the end of the day, I feel like it's, it's, 1118 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:18,240 it's a worthy, like cause and it's a worthy thing. 1119 01:08:18,359 --> 01:08:21,920 And yeah, I think just like the way we said with the music 1120 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:27,439 stuff, like I think, I think it's, it's something that I am 1121 01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,359 grateful that we started, you know what I mean? 1122 01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:33,439 So yeah. And shout out to everybody who 1123 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:37,200 said, who said congratulations, Donna said. 1124 01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:41,560 Shout out to you, Sookie. Shout out to you as well. 1125 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:47,960 I've been there now with what's that on Guess of volume? 1126 01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:50,160 Then I blanked out on Guess of volume. 1127 01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,439 Go check that podcast out too. Yeah, yeah. 1128 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,920 Thank you, man. Thank you to everyone who has 1129 01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,520 given us some time. I appreciate it, and we hope 1130 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,520 that this conversations actually do what we intend for them to 1131 01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,120 do. Yeah, definitely. 1132 01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:09,800 Yeah, let's let's so. I mean. 1133 01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,120 We usually review music. No, I just want to get, I mean, 1134 01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,479 we usually review music we do, but this I guess this week just 1135 01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:20,800 want to we'll just both play something that we we want to put 1136 01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,359 on, I guess. Yeah, rather than go to Canyon, 1137 01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:24,760 of course. Canyon still. 1138 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,000 Yeah, definitely Canyon. Definitely Canyon. 1139 01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,560 So, Sam, what do you what do you want to play for? 1140 01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,640 Oh my God, for the 100th episode, what song do you want 1141 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:33,640 to? What do you want to play? 1142 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:41,760 I think I will go with there's a there's a band that a duo that 1143 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:47,760 I've been sort of following a little bit, Two young ladies and 1144 01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,720 they go by We Are Nubia. They've dropped a couple of 1145 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,560 songs that I've enjoyed this week. 1146 01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:58,440 They dropped a song called Aibo produced by Ward Omolo. 1147 01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:06,560 So I just wanted to put that on. Here is We Are Nubia with the 1148 01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:26,280 song AIBO. How did you wait? 1149 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,000 Pray for me? Did you ever pray for me that 1150 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:34,880 you need my love? Or did you have another Huyoni 1151 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:41,800 Nani? And now get above for young 1152 01:10:50,160 --> 01:11:46,360 Goebugani, yeah. The. 1153 01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:34,400 The three times, two times play me like a fool, man, this guy's. 1154 01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:36,600 None. Yep, we only be here with their 1155 01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,600 latest release AIBO. I'm really interested in seeing 1156 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:43,480 what they do and how how their career progresses. 1157 01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:48,640 I'll be keeping a keen and try. To use some for putting me on to 1158 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,000 we are newbie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1159 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,680 So I'm definitely going to check them out. 1160 01:13:54,040 --> 01:14:01,800 For me, I would like to end this podcast by playing the song Last 1161 01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,720 One I Promise by Zoe Ken. Gotcha. 1162 01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:11,800 Love that song. I'll, Yeah, I, I I love. 1163 01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,200 I love what she brings to the table. 1164 01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,240 I think. I think she's supremely talented 1165 01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:19,840 and. Yeah, man. 1166 01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:25,280 So I think that's my song pick for the end of the episode. 1167 01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,880 Last One I Promise by Zoe Ken. Gotcha. 1168 01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:43,600 This before my heart is racing in the cold just because of 1169 01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,480 favor I could so my feet are numbered. 1170 01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:55,080 I'll go so low with my side to scream little inside outside 1171 01:14:58,440 --> 01:15:03,120 before too. I did you to be the inside near 1172 01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:13,760 me, living in the entire outside to feel weak, baby, you'll still 1173 01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:22,480 help me think. It's too slow to turn to touch 1174 01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,840 and touch more homework is something speaking. 1175 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:31,760 My God is sleeping with God is sleeping. 1176 01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,080 My soul can't take under the light. 1177 01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:37,440 The red eyes gotta get out of this side. 1178 01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,160 I'll be fine. If I don't look back, I'm going 1179 01:15:41,160 --> 01:16:01,640 to remember seeing you on my side. 1180 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:56,560 The. That was last one, I promise, by 1181 01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,600 Zoe Ken. Gotcha. 1182 01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:00,480 And yes, that's the last song we're playing today. 1183 01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:04,200 So yeah, last one, I promise. OK, you know what? 1184 01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:07,440 I need to be stopped. 100 episodes in and I'm still. 1185 01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,600 Calling. Oh goodness, that's fine. 1186 01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:10,960 It's your brand. I'll never change. 1187 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:17,960 Yeah, man. Yo, son, 100 episode 100 triple 1188 01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,560 digits. Let's go. 1189 01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,880 Triple digits, bro. Onward. 1190 01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:23,520 Go. Let's go. 1191 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:24,880 Let's get this. It's the same. 1192 01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,440 Onward and upward. Is that what people usually say? 1193 01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,880 Upwards, Yeah, onwards and upwards. 1194 01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,960 And again, just want to tell you guys. 1195 01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:37,200 Thank you. So it's been a long podcast so I 1196 01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:40,280 wouldn't do the three CS as usual, but you'll know them by. 1197 01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:44,840 Now the three CS. But yeah, just thank you guys so 1198 01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:48,040 much. We have said it like we would 1199 01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:53,120 not be anywhere without you guys and we're some and I are 1200 01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:58,520 genuinely looking forward to the future or whatever the future 1201 01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:03,520 holds for this podcast. And I'm excited, man, I'm 1202 01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,200 excited. Me too, man bro, me too. 1203 01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:12,160 Sam Yeah. All right, I guess we will see 1204 01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,680 you guys in 101 episode 101.