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If you're using it in a way that
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be all peace and love and Jay 
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using it a way to bring down 
your fellow artist. 

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And Jay Coley. 
Jay Coley about it if. 

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You're using it in channel Inner
Spirit of of of Jay Cole. 

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The. 
What is going on? 

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What's up? 
What's what's what's up? 

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Everybody? 
Welcome to the 30% podcast. 

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The 30% podcast. 
This week someone asked me what 

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the 30% podcast was and I almost
forgot. 

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Of course I didn't know that's 
that's false. 

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What did you say it? 
No, I told them, yeah, it's 

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about the, you know, we, we, we 
worked on it. 

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I mean, it came up when we're 
looking at the Kenyan music 

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scene and we figured out that, 
you know, just 30% of music of 

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Kenyan music is played on Kenyan
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And we're playing all these 
other songs and we're really 

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vibing to all those sounds. 
But we really need to grow. 

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We need to grow our, our music 
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So we need to play more Kenyan 
music. 

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And so that's why we called it 
the 30% podcast. 

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And I did not get a wow, that's 
really, I was waiting for like, 

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wow, that's really insightful. 
I didn't get none of that. 

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They're just like, oh, OK, how 
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Instagram? 
I was like, all right, you guys 

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are anyway, welcome to 30% 
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This is this is I am Sam, Sam, I
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ham. 
I like ham. 

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I don't know about green eggs. 
And I'm here with the greatest 

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of all time, the legendary the 
the slightly sick Alpha Mefuna 

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Afam. 
What's going on man? 

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Sorry I lit you up. 
As Sam has just said, I I am 

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feeling a bit under the. 
Yeah, but energy though, I'm 

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here. 
Why do people, why you, why you 

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don't be sulking when you're 
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I. 
Don't have any and I I'm, I'm 

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very energy less right now, but 
yes, I'm here man I'm here. 

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Hosted by Sam and the Energy 
less AFAM. 

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Shout out to everyone who's 
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Thank you so much for joining 
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We really do appreciate each and
everyone of you. 

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We love bringing this thing to 
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We love doing it and just 
generally just love, love the 

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talking about the industry. 
And that's what we do here. 

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We talk about the Kenyan 
industry with the hopes to bring

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awareness to the industry and 
and just have conversations that

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need to be had. 
A lot of these conversations are

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not really had. 
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and their motion emotion and 
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interesting. 
I mean, not interesting, sorry. 

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It's really important to talk 
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the industry, the things that 
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everything in between. 
So that's what we're here to do 

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is just from the perspective of 
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professionals in the game. 
And yeah, we just hope we're 

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doing some good here. 
You can listen to this on 

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Spotify. 
It's on YouTube, YouTube, 

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YouTube videos. 
It's a YouTube video on YouTube 

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and YouTube Music. 
You can listen to us there. 

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Please like subscribe, all that 
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It's on Apple, the Apple 
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Is that what I miss? 
Spotify, YouTube and Apple. 

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That's it, right? 
Yes, essentially. 

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And we're also on social media. 
OK, yeah. 

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And to find us, of course, you 
can search for the the 30% 

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podcast. 
We're on social media as well, 

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the 30% pod on Instagram, on 
Threads, on X slash Twitter and 

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on LinkedIn for some linking and
building. 

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And yes, please engage with us. 
Share this to people who you 

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think would benefit from the 
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We've been having some really 
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We really enjoy that. 
So share this with people who 

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you think would benefit from the
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Artists, industry professionals,
yo Mama, anyone who would 

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benefit from the from this. 
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and I feel so scared now. 
Let's no forget I said that 

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please. 
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and anyone else who anyone else 
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Alpha Musa. 

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Sorry about the sickness man. 
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cold, but I don't know. 
I don't know what it is, man. 

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like a like a stomach bug as 
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So it's just, it's just, I feel 
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But other than that, it's just 
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I mean, that's what I've been 
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I can't even speak like English 
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That's how my week. 
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really just me being under the 
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I actually made a ton of beats 

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this week. 
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videos. 
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I've been saying that's been 
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Yeah, yeah, just kind of 
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algorithm likes. 
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know, am I going to sit around 
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video editors to like kind of do
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going to learn it myself. 
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learn how to. 
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It's just way easier. 
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industry has done to me, man. 
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VJ Editor. 
Figure out how to how to edit 

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videos because unfortunately not
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have to find innovative ways to 
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mind a lot this week, just 
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music and merge that with 
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budget, let me learn how to do 
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Are there any similarities 
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videos and editing beats? 
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Essentially that's what we're 
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Beats yeah, yeah, actually, 
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man. 
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like, editing videos. 
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Although it's really, it's 
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you spend a long time editing a 
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effort into the transitions and 
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things and everything. 
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of like, this is actually 
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things. 
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the the I cut the clip and then 
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multiple pieces. 
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explain this. 
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podcast. 
This is not to describe and I'm 

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doing hard. 
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podcast, Yeah, let's see how you
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I left spaces in between and 
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like, I don't know how to, And 
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It was such an amazing like 
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Like I did like just on the spur
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yeah, this is actually really 
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I'm kind of so I, I've been just
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like it's free, but over late. 
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They've introduced the they've 
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version and I'm so upset with 
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What's the why? 
Why did you have to make a pro 

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version? 
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there's a bunch of dope 
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dope transitions, effects and 
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now in the pro tier. 
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this stuff for free literally 
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Like why? 
This was so unnecessary, man. 

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Capitalism is annoying. 
We knew that. 

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AFAM was going to start editing 
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thing, so we need to get Afam's 
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Yeah, they get you hooked. 
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I will not pay for your service.
There we go. 

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In fact, you might. 
You're not using. 

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You can't find that different. 
Are you boycotting? 

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And you're the unique. 
No. 

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How am I losing? 
And find a different platform to

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edit on. 
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There there you go. 
You lost. 

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You lost. 
You lost a dedicated user. 

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Ha ha, ha. 
Well, well, maybe one day Capcot

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will want to like sponsor this 
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to say Capcot. 
I was unwell. 

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I was unwell and. 
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connection again, that brain 
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Oh, that's cool. 
Sorry, sorry about the sickness 

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though. 
That's it's really crazy. 

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I'm sure you want to be outside 
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and and and doing a lot, but 
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It's so hot over here. 
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I don't even want to be outside.
God Dang, it's summer. 

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It's summer, right? 
Dang, how can you have a cold in

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summer? 
It's yeah, it's like summer, but

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it's like the end of spring. 
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Yeah, man, I've. 
Been How about yourself? 

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How was your week? 
I've been chill, to be honest 

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with you. 
I'm not even going to lie, 

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there's not much that has 
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you asked me that question and 
it's just been working. 

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The days just blurring together.
The days are moving quickly. 

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It's it's. 
It's a weird space where the 

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days are moving fast enough for 
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fast, but not fast enough for me
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sense in my head. 
But anyway it's they're just 

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they are blurring in in some 
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And Saturdays, Friday and 
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yesterday and the day before 
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So I don't know what's 
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But it's cool though, progress 
getting some work done. 

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Been doing some writing, 
writing, writing songs, which is

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fun. 
Writing songs, writing melodies.

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That's cool. 
I'm taking care of my stray cats

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who have become much more clingy
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But that's that. 
Not to bore people with that. 

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So yeah, man, we're here to talk
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Let's get into it. 
Let's get into it. 

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OK, there wasn't much happening 
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But I guess an interesting thing
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week was we saw posts from 
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the Madaraka Festival page kind 
of announcing that the highly 

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anticipated USA tour for 2024 
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would be without its headliner, 
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other guests such as Savara. 
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the from the, from their 
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released a statement saying 
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Madaraka Festival has proudly 
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African music festival. 
Our commitment has seen us grow 

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from a single annual event in 
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spanning 13 cities. 
This year, as we near our 10th 

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anniversary, we are excited to 
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with all of you. 
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unforeseen visa processing 
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festival to a later date within 
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And then they say Ticketmaster 
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current ticket holders with 
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refunds, and refunds will be 
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Nyashinski also released a 
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announce that due to factors 
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unable to perform at the USA 
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Despite the diligent efforts of 
the organizers, they were unable

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to secure visas for our team's 
entry into the US. 

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We had very much looked forward 
to the tour and we sincerely 

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apologize for all the 
inconvenience this has caused. 

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I know a lot of people are very 
disappointed. 

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I mean, and I'm sure a lot of 
money has been lost because I'm 

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sure it was a huge investment 
already. 

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So it's unfortunate that they 
wouldn't be worrying. 

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How do you feel about this? 
Like what are your your initial 

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like thoughts? 
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Like seeing the consolation and 
stuff. 

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It always it always sucks 
because it's an opportunity to 

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grow or to, to celebrate music, 
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So that's, that's, that's 
terrible. 

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That's, that's kind of that's, 
that's whack. 

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It's not good and all all the 
opportunities. 

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I'm not just thinking about. 
I'm not just thinking about 

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Yashinsky and Savara. 
I'm thinking about all the band,

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the people that are going with 
them, the people in the bands 

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and. 
Oh my God, just the people. 

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Play in the background who have 
like a really good opportunity 

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to add to their artist resume 
and actually the experience of, 

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you know, playing shows in a 
different country and all that 

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business. 
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So that's that. 
That must be very disappointing.

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And also since the announcement,
I'm pretty sure there's been a 

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lot of practice time that has 
been put into it and money spent

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into preparing, which is, I 
won't say it's lost because they

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could always use what they've 
prepared for later on. 

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But then just that anticipation 
linked with the loss, I guess 

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that's just kind of sad. 
It would have been good to see 

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again because we haven't really 
seen ya since we've seen Shin 

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city here and we've really 
wanted to see him perform 

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outside. 
So it would have been really 

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good to see that. 
I guess we now we have to wait 

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for that and hope that there's 
there's a new Ave. to yeah I 

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mean that it comes around again.
Who was he taking on the tour 

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again? 
Savara and. 

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Oh, I would, Eddie Kenzo. 
I would have to con. 

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I would have to confirm because 
it was Nyashinsky. 

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Eddie Kenzo, Savara of Sautiso 
Dynamic and Naomi Achu. 

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Yeah, you see, there's, there's 
also also artists who are really

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looking forward to, you know, 
breaking ground in that way. 

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So. 
And the and the and the tour was

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actually, well, it was supposed 
to start today. 

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Oh, really? 
Oh my God. 

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It was actually, yeah, it was 
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Dallas. 
So that would just be like an 

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hour from where I am. 
Of course, you'd be going right 

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to support your Kenya. 
People going considering yeah 

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and then Houston, Boston and 
then New York and they're 

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supposed to end at Seattle on 
the 17th of June. 

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Well, they were going to go to 
Dallas, Houston, Boston, NY, 

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Philadelphia, Washington, 
Atlanta, Minneapolis, Denver, 

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San Francisco, Phoenix and LA 
Wow, that was actually a really 

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dope man. 
Even me. 

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I had to feel very disappointed 
if like but like why is it get 

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why brah? 
This is my frustration with 

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America. 
Like getting a visa as a Kenyan 

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to America is such a long. 
Process, Yeah, like the process 

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has become, it seems like it's 
become more difficult, at least 

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from from the feedback. 
They make it, they intentionally

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make it so difficult. 
You can apply for like one of 

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those visa meetings. 
Like you could even take like 

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months. 
And you pay for that joint too, 

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right? 
And then you you pay for it. 

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Yeah. 
You pay for that just to get 

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rejected. 
Yeah. 

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Do you think it's actually 
annoying? 

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And then they ask you for like 
they ask you for hella 

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information. 
That just seems. 

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Irrelevant. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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Who was your primary school 
teacher like? 

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You don't know him. 
You don't know him. 

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You. 
Don't have to do with anything. 

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Don't worry, you don't know him.
Have to do with anything, man. 

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Like, I don't know why it's so 
weird. 

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Like sometimes I look at this 
world and I'm like, man, like 

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we've complicated so many things
in life. 

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Like we're all human beings. 
Like, why does it have to be 

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like, OK, It's like getting into
our country is such a special. 

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I mean, you play the devil. 
But like we can get into your 

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country without any like 
difficulty. 

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Like why is things so one 
directional? 

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You know what I mean? 
Just because you're. 

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Yeah, I. 
Don't know. 

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Yeah, I get, I get that because 
security, right? 

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Security is really paramount. 
Security is one of the 

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security's biggest. 
So they, they should be, as they

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should be as stringent with with
security as they possibly can. 

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Do you think, do you think the 
government should try and figure

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out a way, and this is just me 
shooting out a thought that I'm 

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currently processing as, as I'm 
saying, do you think the 

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government should try and figure
out a way to work with the 

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different embassies to create 
like maybe a special yeah thing 

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for artists and for art? 
Yes, definitely. 

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Because I feel like it's such a 
dope opportunity to one, spread 

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the agenda of what's happening 
in Kenya, Kenyan music, like you

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never know what's going to come 
out from Kenyans touring the 

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world. 
You know, that's so much dope 

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opportunity that can be 
reinvested into the country. 

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So I think the government should
take a vested interest in some 

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of these things because like, 
you know, they should intervene 

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how they can like if if we can 
get you guys visas. 

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True. 
Let's because I feel like the 

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country stands to benefit. 
It does, whether it's even 

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through advertising, the fact 
that Kenya has artists who are 

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eligible to like, tour in Europe
or America, like it brings a lot

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of attention. 
And then you never know who's 

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like, Americans might listen to 
Savara and be like, farm, this 

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is fire. 
Yeah, it definitely it grows the

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creative. 
He makes more money as a result 

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of all those eyeballs. 
I don't. 

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Know it grows the creative 
economy and I think that's 

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that's one of the things that it
does the current president said 

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that he wants to do is is grow. 
The Oh yeah, the current 

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president. 
What a guy. 

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He's currently over there, 
actually. 

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No, he, he just, no, he just 
landed. 

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He landed I believe today. 
Yeah, he's he's in Kenya now. 

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Yeah, he's back. 
But anyway, yeah, he was there 

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doing what he was doing. 
Maybe that's maybe those are 

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some of the talks he was having,
who knows? 

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Getting snubbed, getting snubbed
by the likes of Tyler Perry, 

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That's. 
Why I don't? 

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I don't want to. 
Say our whole president. 

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Imagine our whole president 
being snubbed by that's an 

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uneasy by Madea Madea. 
Imagine, imagine. 

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My dear, serving a whole head of
state, he has, he has an army 

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under his control. 
He's loved by my dear man. 

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OK, now, now that we're here, 
man, now that we're this is just

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like a sidebar I suppose, man. 
Like that whole trip, it just, 

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it doesn't sit right with me, 
man. 

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They spent so much money just 
like hiring the private jet and 

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then like. 
Carrying like the whole 

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entourage he had, like, you 
know, a lot of people kept on 

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saying he even traveled with a 
comedian. 

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But like, it's just, it's just 
weird, especially considering 

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how tough times are economically
in the country, man. 

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And then you just see the lavish
lifestyle these guys are living.

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It's kind of this guy, bro, like
just to finish this thought, but

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you're going to like Tyler Perry
Studios, you're meeting Shaq, 

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you're meeting Steve Harvey. 
Like you're looking like he's, 

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he's like using, he's using our 
money, our taxpayer money to go 

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out. 
Then like fulfill, he's like, 

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he's like, oh, like, you know. 
He's always wanted to meet my 

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dear. 
He liked My dear films. 

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Bro bro sounded so key. 
And yeah, I saw a video of him 

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like shaking hands with Steve. 
This is the president just like 

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this. 
Is you in real? 

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Life, the president sounded a 
bit it's. 

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OK, we wouldn't get banned, but 
like, it's it's OK, now you're 

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making me. 
But like you're going to Steve 

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Harvey to be like, oh, this is 
how you look in real life. 

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I'm like, bro, you're the 
president. 

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Could you have a swag to you, 
bro? 

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He did. 
He's like, oh, this is how you 

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look in real life. 
Ha ha, ha, ha. 

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I'm like, bro, you're making us 
look so backward like like 

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Kenyans don't like maybe 
watching. 

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Yes. 
Maybe we might be, might be 

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going to school on Lions. 
Actually, maybe. 

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We really might be, I don't 
know, swinging with the monkey? 

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Well, they claim they claim to 
have gotten like a lot of 

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benefits from America, but like,
yeah, I. 

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I mean, hopefully the hope is 
that he's, he's done like 

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something that would benefit 
because spending all that tax 

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money for, for, for, you know, 
the trip. 

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And of course, Kenyans are never
going to see back here at home. 

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You're never going to see 
anything like that as a positive

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thing because it's our money 
that you're using. 

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And it seems very very. 
It seems a bit. 

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They seem to have secured a lot 
of like funds and stuff for anti

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corruption which is ironic 
because I have a feeling that 

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money will. 
Go into now I'm getting tight. 

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Can we leave the let's leave 
politics when I'm getting tight?

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You're going to get actually, we
could, we could actually just 

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segue into content creation and 
sort of there's a little thing 

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that's bubbling. 
Oh yeah, and the fact that he 

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taxes everything that moves. 
Everything that moves, at some 

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point they're going to figure 
out a round, a roundabout way to

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tax taxing itself. 
Like I'm pretty sure there's. 

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No, I'm telling you, they might 
come for podcasting. 

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They might come for podcasting 
pretty soon. 

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We might be actually. 
Let me not put that energy in 

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the world. 
Let let me. 

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Not Oh no, wait, wait, wait, 
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, 

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wait, wait. 
Alpha. 

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Brilliant segue, because they're
actually already coming for for 

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podcasting. 
It's so. 

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Tell me how some this? 
Is what you did. 

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So this is a very new developing
story, but it's really, I think 

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it's really important. 
So I think it was yes. 

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Is it yes, No, it was today 
morning from the Internet. 

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The main story happened 
yesterday. 

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I think I'm not sure the 
timeline is kind of weird, but 

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today morning I'm online just 
going through seeing what's 

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going on, you know, catching up 
on my industry, industry news 

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and everything like that. 
And I saw the the a really 

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popular podcast, the Econini 
podcast have gotten well, the 

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host of the Econini, one of the 
hosts of the Econini podcast, 

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MAF Maflica. 
He was, I think it's actually in

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the States. 
He was, he was, he went on a 

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little bit of a little rant. 
I think they had gotten a, a, a 

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legal document, as we would put 
it, a legal document from a 

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legal document from the Kenya 
Film and Classification Board. 

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And he was just on, it's on 
YouTube if you, if you need to 

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go see it, It's hardly really 
important for content creators 

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to to just catch up on what's 
happening because it's going to 

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affect everyone. 
He, he was ranting about what 

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they had sent. 
So basically he had gotten a 

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legal document saying, talking, 
requesting. 

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I think that or rather putting 
forth the idea that that content

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creators specifically, First 
off, specifically on YouTube, I 

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think that was the major thing 
on YouTube. 

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Of course they have a podcast, 
but they post a video on 

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YouTube. 
So content creators on YouTube 

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are going to need licenses, 
licences to post their their 

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their content on YouTube, which 
of we'll get into that, but that

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off the bat doesn't make much 
sense. 

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And then also the the second 
thing that the that they put in 

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in the digital document is that 
content creators are go are 

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probably going to have to start 
sending in their content before 

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it's posted for examination. 
And basically screening actually

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have fancy we have seen 
screening. 

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00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,800
Actually have a, I actually have
a copy of the document. 

453
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,720
Yeah. 
But this one was sent to Mamito 

454
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,040
Eunice, who is a famous 
comedian. 

455
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,400
She also got like hit with the 
same thing. 

456
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,040
And it says it's a compliance 
with Kenya, with the Kenya Film 

457
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,520
Classification Board 
regulations. 

458
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,320
And they're saying refer to the 
above matter and write to you as

459
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,800
follows. 
That our attention has been 

460
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,840
drawn to your YouTube channel 
Mamito Unis, where you have 

461
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,520
continuously uploaded audio 
visual content for purposes of 

462
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,360
exhibiting and distributing it 
to the public without acquiring 

463
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,160
the requisite filming licenses 
from the KFCB. 

464
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,400
That Section 15 of the Films and
Stage Plays Act mandates that 

465
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,640
the Kenyan Film Classification 
Board to regulate the creation, 

466
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,320
broadcasting, possession, 
distribution and exhibition of 

467
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,880
film and broadcast content in 
the the country. 

468
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:58,440
That further section four of the
ACT requires all film makers 

469
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:03,960
producing film within Kenya, 
film okay anyway within Kenya 

470
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:09,040
for public exhibition or sale 
locally or internationally to 

471
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,680
obtain a filming license. 
Additionally, Section 12 

472
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,680
requires that all classes of 
film being distributed, 

473
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:22,640
exhibited or broadcasted within 
Kenya must be examined by KFCB 

474
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,400
and a certificate of approval 
issued. 

475
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,040
Before I'm I'm about to finish. 
This is the last part. 

476
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,160
They say that. 
Consequently, we demand that you

477
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,600
strictly comply with the 
requirements of the Film and 

478
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,160
Stage Plays Act by obtaining 
filming licenses for your films 

479
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,760
and submit them for examination 
and classification before the 

480
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,400
same is exhibited and 
distributed to the public 

481
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,160
through your YouTube channel. 
Wow. 

482
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,560
And lastly, they say take notice
that unless you comply with the 

483
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:03,280
above in the next 14 days in 
brackets 14, we shall institute 

484
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:08,520
legal proceedings in accordance 
with the provisions of the Films

485
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,280
and Stage Plays Act and other 
relevant laws, without further 

486
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,400
reference to you and at your own
risks as to costs and other 

487
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,440
attendant consequences. 
There to your sincerely CPA 

488
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,520
Pascal appeal, Sam. 
That's horrible. 

489
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,000
This is that's so horrible for 
creatives, man. 

490
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,040
So I mean, it's a developing 
story. 

491
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,960
So we it's very fresh, very new,
of course. 

492
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,600
So it's we're definitely going 
to keep covering it in a but 

493
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,280
then just let's just get into it
a little bit. 

494
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,960
First off, AFAM, afam, afam, 
afam. 

495
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,760
Tell me how? 
It's just another. 

496
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,000
How? 
No. 

497
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,000
And we're getting exactly we're 
getting there. 

498
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,800
How on earth are they going to 
vet every single video? 

499
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,560
What, what's the plan? 
How do you, how many creators do

500
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,480
you want to do that for? 
And this effects musicians 

501
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,560
because your music videos, at 
some point they are going to 

502
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,160
have to get, you're going to 
have to turn them in to get 

503
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,280
vetted. 
Like what first? 

504
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,000
OK, that's, that's, like I said,
that's, that's problem. 

505
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,520
But problem #1 why do we need a 
license to put things on 

506
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,120
YouTube? 
YouTube is not owned by. 

507
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,160
Like it's like YouTube is a free
to upload platform. 

508
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,640
If I want to post cat videos on 
on YouTube, why do I have to 

509
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,320
send them? 
Why am I sending to the? 

510
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,320
Government to approve, yeah, 
like 1-2. 

511
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,680
This is honestly like, if we're 
being honest, this is just part 

512
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,480
of like the regime we're under 
right now, which is let's just 

513
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,840
tax every single thing looks 
like it we can find. 

514
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,160
How do we that's. 
Yeah, you know, that's what it 

515
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,560
is. 
It's like licenses, of course, 

516
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,520
like that's what they want. 
They just want to make an extra 

517
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,600
buck. 
They don't really they. 

518
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,000
Don't have the capacity to do 
what they're saying they want 

519
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,240
to. 
Do they don't even have the 

520
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,880
capacity to do it anyway? 
They just want to be paid bro. 

521
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,760
Like do you know how many people
post YouTube videos every day? 

522
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,680
Or how many content creators in 
the and then what if now they 

523
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,080
see, oh wait, guys on on 
Instagram are making money, then

524
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,680
they move to to to to Instagram 
and then Tiktok. 

525
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,120
That's ridiculous. 
How many people? 

526
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,800
Yeah, this. 
Sets it sets a horrible 

527
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,360
precedent. 
They might even start like being

528
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,760
like Nah, you all can't even 
post like Instagram stories or 

529
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,800
Snapchat stories. 
Why is it like why is why is 

530
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:27,720
China? 
Why is it? 

531
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,760
That when people say that they 
want to grow something and on 

532
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,440
this side of the world, like we 
all want to make this thing that

533
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,280
we want to work for it, we end 
up angering the people doing the

534
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,320
thing. 
Like, OK, now here's the thing. 

535
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,840
This is this is the thing 
creators actually need to. 

536
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,280
This sounds ridiculous. 
And unless we are completely 

537
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,560
misinterpreting what's going on 
and maybe there's a better 

538
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,320
explanation, this sounds 
absolutely ridiculous and 

539
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,120
creators need to like band 
together and such. 

540
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,200
This is the point where and I I 
was thinking about this while I 

541
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,640
was watching and I was. 
No, we, we will band together 

542
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,120
and we cannot let this is be a 
thing. 

543
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,320
They can't. 
They cannot. 

544
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,240
We are, we are at a point in 
different industries in the film

545
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,760
industry in the and let me just 
sidetrack a little bit, why are 

546
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,720
they focusing on content 
creators rather than actual 

547
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,440
films like this? 
I've talked to a lot of people 

548
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,120
in the film industry and they're
saying there's no funding, 

549
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,960
there's no support from the 
government, There's no, we don't

550
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,600
have the proper structures, we 
don't have the proper 

551
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,480
distribution. 
Why can't the government focus 

552
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,360
on that and the Kenya Film and 
Classification Board for Kenya 

553
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,440
Film Classification Board, 
whatever they called focus on 

554
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,960
that and try and make that 
system robust? 

555
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,720
Why they're going for small time
content creators? 

556
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,640
Like I feel like there's bigger 
fish to fry. 

557
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,920
There's bigger things. 
Like like pay attention to first

558
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,520
of all, even like the structures
in place are not even that great

559
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,360
as everybody knows, man, the the
CPMS, that's super low in our 

560
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,000
side of the world. 
Compared to other countries. 

561
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,880
Super low. 
So it's not like it's not like 

562
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,720
even you have like if, if people
are now to start paying licenses

563
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,240
to upload videos, they're going 
to have to be going out of 

564
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,480
pocket. 
They won't even be going out of 

565
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,840
like the. 
And you know that money, you 

566
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,040
know that amount is going to be 
a high amount instead. 

567
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,720
Right. 
And so it's just annoying, bro. 

568
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,760
It's just like, bro, come on, 
can we just live here and like 

569
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,080
figure out also how to make 
livings for ourselves? 

570
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,480
Yeah. 
And this stifles creativity. 

571
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,680
You know, I it's not going to 
happen. 

572
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,920
I've refused. 
I'm there's no reality. 

573
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,880
I'm living like you have to pay 
license craziness, upload. 

574
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,200
It's craziness. 
And it's going to go, bro, it's 

575
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,000
even going to like you said, 
it's the cup. 

576
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,920
Like even us like, bro, like 
they're going to be like, yeah, 

577
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,720
you all need to like what? 
Yeah. 

578
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,000
What are you talking creatives? 
Do need to like I was saying, 

579
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,320
creatives definitely need like 
we, I feel like we're getting to

580
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,760
a point in the film industry 
like things are just bubbling. 

581
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,440
If you hear the different 
conversations going about, like,

582
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,640
I think people are getting fed 
up. 

583
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,920
We're getting, we're getting 
tired of the same things being 

584
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,600
told to us and the system's not 
working. 

585
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,400
So I do feel like people like 
creatives now, like we, bro, 

586
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,760
listen, if you're creative out 
there, like it's time to if we 

587
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:10,040
don't start the fight to ensure 
that we have a working, creating

588
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,880
a creative economy, if we keep 
covering behind a lot of these 

589
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,800
things and don't like speak up 
about someone. 

590
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,320
And when I say speak up, it's 
not just like talk about it. 

591
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:24,160
It's like fight it till the end.
It's it's whether the mentality 

592
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,920
of we are going to work to get 
this thing sorted out, whether 

593
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,360
the end result works in our 
favor or not. 

594
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,360
We're going to work as hard as 
we can to make it work enough. 

595
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,720
And we all have to hold hands 
and do this together because 

596
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,800
individuals doing this is just 
not strong enough to get it 

597
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,320
done, you know, And I hate to 
sound activisty. 

598
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,960
In fact, maybe I, I love to 
sound activisty in this 

599
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,520
situation because it's 
ridiculous. 

600
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,560
I mean, these are the things 
that we, we, we are going to 

601
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,160
keep seeing. 
And if we don't stand up against

602
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,360
it, even in the music industry 
with the whole MCSK thing that 

603
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,800
we've seen year after year after
year after year after year. 

604
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,520
And it's just complaining and 
binding together in our small 

605
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,240
groups and saying, oh, this 
guy's and maybe even starting 

606
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,920
something small but not really 
doing much about it. 

607
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,480
Like this might be the time to 
actually start binding together 

608
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:15,160
as creatives and taking our 
economy to where we want it to 

609
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,320
be. 
Rather than dictating, let it be

610
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,760
dictated to us, you know, kind 
of deal. 

611
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,320
I don't know whether I'm being a
little bit too, too much with 

612
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,680
it, but it's just, it's really 
annoying. 

613
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,840
Like it means. 
Yeah, if you're being adequately

614
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,760
you're in fact, I would, I would
you you should even be more 

615
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,840
outraged. 
Man, we. 

616
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,400
Should all be outraged. 
This is crazy, is outraged this.

617
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,280
Is crazy. 
Imagine imagine having to to 

618
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,840
submit a license to do your get 
ready with me videos. 

619
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,080
Imagine that. 
Imagine that. 

620
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,400
Tell me who is here? 
What? 

621
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,560
That's ridiculous. 
God, like, like, like, like I'm.

622
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,120
I'm showing you guys how I made 
the beat to like. 

623
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,560
Yeah, but you have to submit 
allies. 

624
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,080
You have to give that to someone
to vet to see whether you're 

625
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,880
another thing that Moff brought 
up, brought up when he was 

626
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,440
talking about it, right. 
See, he said that this might be 

627
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,640
another way for the government 
to just censor information 

628
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,160
because and he's reasoning for 
that. 

629
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,480
And you can, you can, you can 
check, go go to the Ikonini page

630
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,560
on YouTube, right? 
So he said that there's a lot of

631
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:23,600
people online who are giving, 
like, very, very raw, unfiltered

632
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,679
opinions on political matters, 
right? 

633
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:32,080
It's a political thing. 
And so the government saying, 

634
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,639
OK, send me your videos so that 
we can know whether that's 

635
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,159
that's that obviously just seems
like there's like, all right, 

636
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,800
because then now it. 
Just takes it takes away your 

637
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,600
freedom of speech because 
somebody's determining whether 

638
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,120
or not you are allowed to say 
what you're saying, you know? 

639
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,120
Yeah. 
And and we've sort of seen this 

640
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,840
happen with also Ezekiel Muto 
and some of the messes that he's

641
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,880
gotten himself into in terms of 
freedom of speech. 

642
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,120
So that could be another angle 
that that we are looking at in 

643
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,360
terms of like, are they trying 
to censor the information that 

644
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,040
we're putting out? 
What about the laws? 

645
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,640
That we need to, we need to band
together, man. 

646
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,600
It's kind of crazy, man. 
So hey, yo, from this way, we 

647
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,480
just be tired, man. 
This is why people just leave 

648
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,840
the country and go elsewhere 
because it just, it feels like 

649
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,040
just feels like the government 
is against the people anyway. 

650
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,600
Like I don't want to get too 
much into it because I'm 

651
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,960
starting to feel like I feel 
like they're watching. 

652
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,160
It's annoying. 
It's annoying. 

653
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,560
I got you. 
OK, in more in more music 

654
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,080
industry news, I guess this is 
the last thing I kind of have 

655
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:34,080
news, man. 
It was a bit of a slow Newsweek,

656
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:39,160
I'm not going to lie. 
There was there's some bubbling 

657
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,880
beef we talked about, stupid 
boy. 

658
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,320
That name? 
Before when he had, I know it 

659
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,480
sounds like I'm insulting him, 
but like, yeah, we talked about 

660
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:57,120
stupid boy like when with his 
beef with Doctor Fenneke and not

661
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,280
being paid for the interview. 
Well, I'm going to assume he got

662
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,680
paid for this interview he had 
with Mongai Eve where I guess 

663
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,840
the most salacious thing that 
comes out of this not salacious,

664
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,120
sorry, the most. 
What's the word not click 

665
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,800
Beatty, But like this is what 
the the blogs were going with. 

666
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,520
Yeah, the blogs were going with 
him going Yeah, they were going 

667
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,000
off with on him. 
They were going off with his con

668
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,560
comments on Willie Paul, 
essentially saying that Willie 

669
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:37,160
Paul has a huge ego and he hates
him with all his heart and the 

670
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,200
soul. 
And you could really feel the 

671
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,480
hate in which he was saying. 
So I think what happened was, 

672
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,880
yeah, yeah. 
I think what happened was he was

673
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,000
with Willie Paul. 
He's been in and around those 

674
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,200
circles. 
And I think he had asked for 

675
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,440
like, a collab or something of 
the sort. 

676
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,160
And it's curved. 
Yeah, it looks like. 

677
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,960
Yeah, it looks like Willie Paul 
was dubbing him. 

678
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,680
He says Willie Paul even 
threatened him at some point. 

679
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,960
Like, well, now I'm just going 
to say it's alleged. 

680
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:08,880
I'm just going to say. 
It's alleged. 

681
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:09,840
Alleged. 
Yeah, let. 

682
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,640
Me not put, yeah, let me not put
myself in this beef now. 

683
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,720
But like, yeah, essentially he's
just very, very outspoken 

684
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,760
against Willie Paul. 
And then he just it descends 

685
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:27,880
into him kind of just like just 
kind of insulting Willie Paul a 

686
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:33,320
little bit with some very, very 
funny one liners here, which I'm

687
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,040
not going to. 
That's that's. 

688
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,800
Not this part, but let's leave 
that for the other. 

689
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,960
Part like yeah, I so I don't 
know how I feel about it. 

690
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:46,000
Maybe I feel like stupid boy is 
very like outspoken and he wears

691
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,160
his heart on his sleeve. 
I think one thing I've one thing

692
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:58,840
I felt about Will stupid boy is 
maybe well, I actually I 

693
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,120
appreciate that the fact that he
wears his hat on his sleeve. 

694
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,000
He's raw, he's unfiltered, and 
sometimes the industry needs 

695
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,800
that a lot. 
So hey, listen, this is a 

696
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,840
developing story which I have 
beg attention to because you 

697
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,080
know, Willie Paul obviously see 
he's established in the 

698
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,040
industry. 
He knows a lot of people. 

699
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,440
He's I know. 
I just know how people lie. 

700
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,400
It's probably going to try and 
make it tough for stupid boy to 

701
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,840
exist, but. 
Like, Oh no, man, I I feel like 

702
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,240
I feel like on stupid boy's 
part, it if it comes to me, it 

703
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:35,160
comes off like a a little bit 
cloudy. 

704
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,280
See, it comes off a bit 
capitalizing, capitalizing on 

705
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,520
the previous attention he got. 
Well, it's basically for the 

706
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:48,040
same thing, more or less, right?
But I don't know, it feels and I

707
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,560
hey, I don't have. 
AI don't, I mean, I don't feel 

708
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,840
an element of cloud chasing us. 
Imagine. 

709
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,480
I feel like that's just him. 
You think that's, that's his, 

710
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,400
his personality. 
I'm not mad at it because I know

711
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,520
artists, artists these days have
to do a lot like just because of

712
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,520
our attention spans and, and 
just the way we pay attention to

713
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,400
content is different from how we
did back then. 

714
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,440
So artists these days have to do
a lot to gain the spotlight on 

715
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,480
them. 
So I'm not necessarily mad at 

716
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,360
him using this opportunity. 
It's just if you're using it in 

717
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,640
a way that you're bringing down 
and not to be all peace and love

718
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,280
and Jay Coley about it, but if 
you're using it as a way to 

719
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,160
bring down your fellow artists. 
Jay Coley Jay Coley about it if.

720
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,080
You're using it in the channel 
in a spirit of, of, of J. 

721
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,920
Cole. 
If you're using it to bring down

722
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,200
like artists for no reason at 
all, like if you have a reason, 

723
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,360
cool. 
And which he seems to do. 

724
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,480
But a lot of people seem seem to
have no reason to bring down 

725
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,880
other people. 
They're just doing it because 

726
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,240
they know people are a lot 
smarter than they make them all 

727
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,440
to be. 
They're doing for clicks. 

728
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,240
And that's why I'm like, all 
right, like. 

729
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,000
No, no, no, I I'm not saying 
he's not smart. 

730
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,360
I'm just saying for me, it feels
like you could be absolutely 

731
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,240
right. 
Like he might know that this is 

732
00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:00,120
something that's going to get 
him talked about for a while on 

733
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,360
the blogs. 
But I'm just saying, like I feel

734
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,160
like he's just very outspoken 
and wears his heart on his 

735
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,920
sleeve, but. 
Hey, listen, I would like to see

736
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,400
it in the music. 
I want to see more music. 

737
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,040
I want to see you like put that 
energy into like making another.

738
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,880
Channel all of that into making 
whatever you know. 

739
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,640
Yeah, making making more music 
rather than like, living on the 

740
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,600
block. 
Make more. 

741
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,680
Give us more hits, man. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

742
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,840
Anyway, Speaking of music, man, 
one, I want to start with, this 

743
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,160
isn't really music, but I want 
to start by shouting out. 

744
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,360
Well, it is music, but like, 
it's not new music. 

745
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,840
Brooklyn boys, please release 
the video to Catalyst, which I 

746
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,760
just want to shout them out for 
the, the, the, the, the visual 

747
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,840
direction and the creative 
direction with the whole 

748
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,920
Breaking Bad thing. 
It's really sick. 

749
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,240
I just wanted to shout that out 
because that's insane. 

750
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,240
So shout out to to B boys and 
Philo Ironman new music. 

751
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:56,800
What were you listening? 
To Let's get into some new 

752
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,200
music. 
Do do do do do do do do do do. 

753
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,680
Hey, you want this? 
You want you want copyright. 

754
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,400
No, I'll just hit up Quincy. 
Quincy's my guy. 

755
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,600
I'll just hit him up and say yo 
bro, can we use this because. 

756
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,960
Wait, it's Quincy Jones who made
that? 

757
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,320
Yeah, produce it, Quincy. 
Listen people, don't give 

758
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,840
Quincy. 
Something new every he created 

759
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,000
the pink what? 
Quincy Quincy's a genius man. 

760
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,240
That's used to me. 
That's used to me. 

761
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:28,840
That's actually very insane. 
OK, new music. 

762
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,760
So we started top A Zinnia 
announced on Instagram and on 

763
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:38,000
her socials rather love slash 
hate Part 2, which of course 

764
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,120
would be a follow up to love 
slash hate part one logically, 

765
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,760
right. 
So she announced that and then 

766
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,000
she dropped a single for us to 
rock with. 

767
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,960
And the single is called phases 
in. 

768
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,080
If you listen to Zenia, if you 
like Zenia, you're going to like

769
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,160
this song. 
It's it's it's what she does. 

770
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,600
She's very she does what she 
does, man, and we love it. 

771
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,400
Zenia is one of the most one of 
the most revered and I've just 

772
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,440
seen a lot of people talk about 
her just one of the most revered

773
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,760
vocalists to come out of Kenya 
and who's still working. 

774
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,360
I mean, who's still currently 
releasing music. 

775
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,240
So shout out to her phases. 
Go check that out. 

776
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,880
Hildawatiri released her 
project. 

777
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,200
She's been releasing a bunch of 
of of songs. 

778
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,800
So she released an EP finally 
called Lovestruck. 

779
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,320
It has five joints on there and 
it features in Jirai. 

780
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:35,520
It features Quinoti production 
from the likes of Melvin Jenga 

781
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,320
is on their copy Worldwide is on
their bunch of people. 

782
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,920
So that's that's the fire. 
Check that out. 

783
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,240
If you're really into her music,
even if you aren't, it's really 

784
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:49,360
good to pay attention to that. 
Elsie Wam, can you pronounce 

785
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,720
this right? 
Elsie Wamer, who I haven't heard

786
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:55,480
of this is the first time I 
heard of her, dropped a banga 

787
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:03,040
called Umva which is produced by
Polycarp and Woodomolo and I 

788
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,920
don't. 
Know shout out to LC. 

789
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,920
Yeah, man, she murdered that one
man. 

790
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,280
I didn't. 
I didn't know I originally heard

791
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,240
it. 
I was I was tuned into I was 

792
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:16,720
tuned into 254 Radio. 
They were interviewing an artist

793
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,600
and and they were playing that 
song before and I was like, I 

794
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,120
thought this guy's only played 
Kenyan music. 

795
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,880
Why are they playing this song? 
And then I was like, oh snap, 

796
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,040
she must be. 
And then I came and I was 

797
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,400
listening to Newman new music on
dropped. 

798
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,200
I was like, oh snap, this is the
song they are playing. 

799
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,000
It's really cool. 
So shout out to her that that 

800
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,000
that's a dope, dope joint. 
I'm going to we're going to be 

801
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:39,760
hearing that everywhere. 
Scam Cardinali, Supuya Pueza. 

802
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,440
It's interesting. 
It's what Cardinali, but then 

803
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,480
it's scam Cardinali on the song,
so I don't know how they're 

804
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,080
figuring that out, but shout out
to him. 

805
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,280
I really like scam Cardinali. 
I've said that a lot of times. 

806
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,800
I feel like I've said it too 
many Times Now, but I like his 

807
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,720
rap. 
Let's see, Shad Mizuki released 

808
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:56,880
a song called Rihanna. 
I feel like at some point every 

809
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,240
every male artist has to have a 
song. 

810
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,640
Bro, do you do you remember the 
the Nigerian movie Beyoncé's 

811
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,280
versus Rihanna? 
No. 

812
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,920
That's a lie. 
That's a lie that can't be real.

813
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,320
This is, yeah. 
I think it was a whole 

814
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:23,560
franchise, really, Yeah. 
What yo Nollywood though? 

815
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,640
Oh man, that's now I'm now I'm 
super curious. 

816
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,680
I'm good. 
Go look for that. 

817
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,360
That's that must be hilarious 
and horrible. 

818
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,600
Too. 
Yeah, they made multiple posters

819
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,120
for this. 
Yeah, it came out in in 2008. 

820
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,280
So what's the premise of the of 
the show? 

821
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,400
Of the of the film? 
What? 

822
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,640
I don't know, I haven't watched 
it. 

823
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,200
I doubt there's one. 
I just remember seeing a bunch 

824
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,920
of. 
Yeah, no, I have to do. 

825
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,840
This anyway, so a bunch of like,
yeah, sorry. 

826
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,240
No, no, no, Nolywood is crazy 
child Nollywood. 

827
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,600
So yeah, here's the song with 
Rihanna. 

828
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,280
I really enjoy it. 
I think the songwriting was 

829
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,920
really good and also his vocal 
performance was super dope on 

830
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,440
that. 
I definitely enjoyed that. 

831
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,120
Did you do? 
Let's see, what else did I 

832
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,800
listen to? 
What else did I listen to? 

833
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,840
Preeta also dropped the song 
called Baddest Ever. 

834
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,080
Some rapping on there if you 
need. 

835
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,440
If you want to listen to that 
Femi one. 

836
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,840
And how do you pronounce that 
Dufla? 

837
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:25,240
Dufla dropped the joint as fire.
Always like to see Femi one and 

838
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:28,720
on on releasing always fired 
sister. 

839
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,480
What am I talking about? 
It's always dope for me one 

840
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,840
release music. 
She's she's just good balance by

841
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,200
just man and critical. 
This is an interesting song. 

842
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,560
I think this song was burst out 
of I remember the last I think. 

843
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,160
Critical with a queue, yeah. 
Critical, remember last year 

844
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,200
when I, we did the whole 
Colombia, Kenya thing? 

845
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,640
I think I talked about it on the
podcast Colombia. 

846
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,400
Yeah. 
So Jasmine is just Jasmine is 

847
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,040
from Colombia. 
And so I think critical has been

848
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,920
working with him and they 
finally released some, some 

849
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,320
music. 
It's called balance. 

850
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,280
It's really cool, man. 
It's cool to see that the, the, 

851
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,480
the link up between Colombia and
and Africa. 

852
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,600
We we and sorry, in Kenya, we we
always say that we want to see 

853
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,760
more collaborations with other 
regions of music and other 

854
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,480
styles of music. 
And so this is This is why I 

855
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,080
feel like in this one critical 
more brought just man. 

856
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,880
Actually, no, because just man 
is is he's he's primarily Afro 

857
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,160
inclined. 
So anyway, it's a good song. 

858
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,760
It's a good check that out. 
Shout out to critical that's 

859
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,120
we've worked with him before. 
So he's he's super dope. 

860
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:29,680
Let me see. 
What else, man. 

861
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,520
Afram. 
No, wait. 

862
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,440
Let me before you, before you 
go. 

863
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,200
Before you go. 
Nina Ogot released an album. 

864
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,560
I haven't. 
Got a breaking news Breaking 

865
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:42,320
news Breaking news Nicki Minaj 
Nicki Minaj just got arrested 

866
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,360
bro what? 
For what's? 

867
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,520
Happening, I don't know, they 
are not saying, but she got 

868
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,640
arrested. 
Like I think she's in, she's in 

869
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,480
Europe right now for her too. 
I saw something about that. 

870
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,280
I think it has to do with 
marijuana, actually. 

871
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,280
I've just realized the concept 
of me doing breaking news on a 

872
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,920
podcast that comes out multiple 
days later is not because people

873
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,080
are going to hear this and be 
like. 

874
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,400
Very brilliant that happened. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, again. 

875
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,160
Maybe I didn't think, I didn't. 
I didn't think about this, I 

876
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,160
think so I didn't think about 
this clearly. 

877
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:12,960
Anyway, sorry, Go ahead. 
Sorry to interrupt. 

878
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,280
You with my breaking news you're
already reading about. 

879
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,440
Time people listen to this, 
yeah. 

880
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,720
Man, so I was, I was, I was 
saying Nina got released. 

881
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:23,200
Nina got is really cool 
vocalist. 

882
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,440
Man, I I like her music. 
She released an album. 

883
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,720
Let me get the name right. 
This the album is the project is

884
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:34,760
called Okumbu dot Kei haven't 
gone through it. 

885
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,440
I haven't like listened to the 
whole of it, but I'm super I'm 

886
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,840
going to get into that. 
She also released there's 

887
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:42,400
there's also a single. 
Well, I think it was released a 

888
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,040
long time ago though, but with 
Putumayo, which is I don't know 

889
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,120
what they sounds like a 
collective or I don't know what 

890
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,600
it is, but they released a song 
called Ningojia, which I really 

891
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,320
enjoyed. 
I really enjoyed it. 

892
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,320
I'll be playing that one again. 
And then lastly, and then you'll

893
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,800
go off because I feel like I've 
been talking forever. 

894
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:00,800
Kill the hippy and the Swami. 
We keep putting them on the 

895
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:02,520
Today they release. 
Not today. 

896
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,600
Well, Friday there was a song 
called Jiggy Baby and my 

897
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,040
goodness, Swami was doing some 
rapping on there and the beat 

898
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,120
was hard. 
It's not their usual boom bop 

899
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,440
sound. 
This one is more trappy 8 to 8. 

900
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,760
I had to go in, fam. 
It was I Dang, shout out to you 

901
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:17,960
guys, man. 
You guys are killing it. 

902
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,880
You're killing it over there. 
Yeah, AFAM, please. 

903
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,080
I've been talking too long. 
It's our. 

904
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:32,760
Podcast So yeah, so there was 
the say something we we kind of 

905
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,360
talked about in the podcast, but
it it finally came out Valerie 

906
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:44,560
Muthoni and Bien, I was lucky 
enough to be the sound recording

907
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,360
engineer that session, which is 
pretty cool. 

908
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:48,760
What was? 
The energy that's. 

909
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,400
Some vocals, I don't know if you
caught this pretty cool I don't 

910
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,240
know if you caught this, but the
backing vocals were But am I 

911
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:57,360
allowed to say this? 
I. 

912
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,880
Don't know if I'm allowed to say
NDA's. 

913
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,600
NDA's everywhere. 
Bro is breaking his NDA's, but 

914
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,920
breaking NDA's is what's fun. 
Actually, I don't know. 

915
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,560
It's fun for the culture to 
break. 

916
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,840
NDA's actually. 
You don't have to say you don't 

917
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,840
get yourself into trouble. 
Actually I I haven't seen 

918
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,320
Valerie talking about it, so I 
don't know if I'm going. 

919
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:20,200
To keep that one in the talk. 
So anyway, so the session was 

920
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:25,280
kind of split into two because 
the first time we recorded, she 

921
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,800
had already recorded it and then
she had recorded her verse and 

922
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,840
she wanted Bien on the track. 
So she invites me to her place. 

923
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,840
I had to Bien's place. 
I was very nervous. 

924
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,160
I went to Bien's place, really 
nice house. 

925
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,720
Then we just recorded. 
It was a bit on the fly type of 

926
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,320
thing, you know. 
So it wasn't like, yeah, because

927
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,360
it was in the house, it wasn't 
in a studio. 

928
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,960
And then a few weeks later, 
Valerie hit me up. 

929
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,600
She's like, yeah, I want to re 
record like my portion of the 

930
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,680
song, at which point we re 
recorded, but now just her and I

931
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,640
So yeah. 
So that's cool. 

932
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,280
So shout out to them. 
Mixed by Hook. 

933
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,840
Mixed by Hook. 
I want to say Hook did justice 

934
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,040
to those vocals. 
He really makes it. 

935
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,640
Well. 
So then there was Find a Way by 

936
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,720
Cheru and Shom or SHLM. 
What? 

937
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:22,160
How you pronounce? 
That an entrepreneur I didn't 

938
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:22,960
know. 
I didn't know what to do. 

939
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,760
No, I'm just going to say SHLM. 
I'm just going to be decent and 

940
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,080
say as SHLM So or maybe it's 
Shalom probably. 

941
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,080
So find a way. 
Shout out to Cheru. 

942
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,920
I think she's just like bubbling
up. 

943
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,480
She's really like this is her 
time to like really like come 

944
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,280
out of like, you know, her 
shell. 

945
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,600
So I feel like she's now like 
really beginning to like, I 

946
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,960
think this is the first song 
I've heard of hers, you know, 

947
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,840
like properly. 
So shout out to her. 

948
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,760
I think she's going to be a name
for the future 100%. 

949
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,680
Then there was oh, shout out to 
the steppers. 

950
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,200
Can I'll be easy released a song
called different. 

951
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,360
It is so short, though, like not
no sooner had I begun it's 

952
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:15,000
ending in then the song ended. 
But you know what I understand 

953
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,000
because like this. 
Is a funny thing to. 

954
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,560
Say I understand because even 
may I be may and Foster be 

955
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,720
making songs that are like one 
minute 24. 

956
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:23,960
Yeah, that's crazy. 
You actually we need to, we need

957
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,280
to tuck that trend in, like at 
least give us two, no two 

958
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,080
voices. 
There's there's a dude called, 

959
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:32,080
there's a, there's a dude called
Osama Son. 

960
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,560
Yes, I know his name is 
interesting, but his biggest 

961
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,720
song is 59 seconds. 
Is it 58 seconds? 

962
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:44,520
It's called X&X and that's. 
A voice note at the but that's a

963
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:49,320
That's an interlude. 
But it's hard, though. 

964
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:50,480
I like it. 
I don't know. 

965
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,320
I'm gonna Me and Foster. 
Trust me, Trust me. 

966
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,800
Trust me. 
I'm telling you right now we're 

967
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,680
gonna do a song that's under one
minute. 

968
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:01,480
I'm doing it anyway. 
Then there was the there was the

969
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,440
Billy Black. 
Oh, no, no, Actually, before I 

970
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,560
get into the Billy Black 
project, there was Goodbye by 

971
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,520
Papa. 
You didn't talk about that yet? 

972
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,240
Oh, no, no. 
Yeah, I'm produced by. 

973
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,400
Anatu. 
Yeah, produced by Anatu. 

974
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:21,560
I wanna say Papa man PPPPPP what
more can I say but Papa bro 

975
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,960
honestly like he blew me away. 
No, Yeah, yeah. 

976
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:30,200
He blew me away, like the 
melodies he was hitting, bro, 

977
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:31,520
bro. 
He's actually making some 

978
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,480
really, really amazing music. 
So I just want to give him a big

979
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,240
shout out, man. 
Like I really, really see what 

980
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:43,240
he's doing and I respect it. 
So the so in in line with the 

981
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,920
people making music in the 
diaspora diaspora. 

982
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,880
So we have Papa, Then we had KC 
releasing Mia, and then we had 

983
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:57,360
Pink Pantres, our very own 
releasing Don't Laugh, Don't 

984
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,000
Laugh. 
She's our very own. 

985
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:08,480
She released a song called I 
Just want to say Hates Me, Make 

986
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,720
me sing in a shuttle to Pink 
Panthers. 

987
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:13,440
Everybody knows I'm a huge Pink 
Panthers Stan. 

988
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:19,280
And then Billy Black released a 
self-titled album. 

989
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,480
Bro, you know whenever artists 
be releasing self-titled man you

990
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,880
know they mean. 
Yeah, if, if, if you're bold 

991
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,480
enough to put your name on the 
project. 

992
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,760
I feel like every artist has to 
release a no. 

993
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,800
Not every artist has to do I 
don't want to. 

994
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,040
I don't see a drink. 
If you're a. 

995
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:43,440
Serious artist. 
I want to see the album that. 

996
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,000
OK, it usually doesn't work for 
rappers, but like when when 

997
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,880
you're like in the old like 
Paramore released on the album, 

998
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,720
like if you're a band. 
Yeah, it's cool. 

999
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:55,440
No, it does. 
It's kind of, it's kind of 

1000
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:56,720
swaggy. 
It's just there's some people 

1001
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:58,800
who I don't. 
Know like if you're a singer 

1002
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:03,040
like if if if like Beyoncé 
released what hasn't Beyoncé 

1003
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,680
released subtitles. 
Subtitles. 

1004
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,440
So yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like it works when you're like 

1005
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,120
rappers, it doesn't work, but 
like other. 

1006
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,400
I don't think it's not just 
rappers, it's also your name. 

1007
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,920
Like you can't have just a wild 
name. 

1008
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,360
Imagine a family phone at the 
album. 

1009
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,440
So you're saying, oh wow, I'm. 
Taking shots at you. 

1010
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,080
Listen, I get micro aggressions 
here all the time. 

1011
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,880
This is an example of one. 
This is an. 

1012
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,400
Example. 
It's a joke. 

1013
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,040
Aggression against me. 
Good. 

1014
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,800
Oh yeah, that's what they say. 
That's what all the toxic people

1015
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,320
say. 
It's a joke. 

1016
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,160
And meanwhile, they've just 
stepped on your ego. 

1017
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,320
They have stepped and broken 
your heart into 3 million 

1018
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,000
pieces. 
Anyway, So Billy Black, I want 

1019
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,800
to give a big shout out to Billy
Black. 

1020
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,080
Man, he really delivered. 
I really, really did enjoy 

1021
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,640
listening to this album. 
The things I loved about this 

1022
00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:00,480
album, the songwriting, I think 
his songwriting is very, very 

1023
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,000
deep. 
It's one of his strengths, 

1024
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,400
Meaningful. 
It is like there were times he 

1025
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,360
was saying things and I was 
like, hmm, what does that? 

1026
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,360
What does he mean by that? 
And I was like, like, it made me

1027
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,640
think about like, yeah, it made 
me think about certain things 

1028
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:20,120
that he was saying. 
And then his voice, his voice is

1029
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:24,200
phenomenal. 
I, I like the raspiness in some 

1030
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,280
of these tracks. 
I, I can't remember. 

1031
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,040
I think it was Hold Me where his
voice was super raspy. 

1032
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,960
And I was like, bro, I I dig it.
I dig this so. 

1033
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:40,160
And then I love the simplicity 
with which he approached the 

1034
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:43,200
production for me. 
I liked it, You know I. 

1035
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,640
Love it for sure. 
Very simple, I love. 

1036
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,000
The guitar, yeah, I loved it. 
I loved it. 

1037
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,160
I think this is a solid, solid 
project. 

1038
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,840
I think my favorite song is not.
I think I'm pretty sure my 

1039
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,040
favorite song is the collab he 
has with Costa. 

1040
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,240
I see the light that. 
Was and that was a good and then

1041
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,200
the not the. 
Harmony, the melody, this is my 

1042
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,680
last day. 
The melodies they were doing at 

1043
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,400
the end, Oh my God, I was like, 
this is some really, really 

1044
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,240
good. 
Music Oh yeah that was a really 

1045
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:18,360
good it was a good collaboration
with with I see the light. 

1046
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,640
It's definitely my my one of my 
favorite songs to come out this 

1047
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,200
week. 
I enjoyed the project. 

1048
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,280
I I just shortly before we we 
pick a song I enjoy. 

1049
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:28,880
I've been listening to Billy 
black since I think the 

1050
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,040
pandemic. 
I think it was strange 20. 

1051
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:35,160
A friend of mine put me on to 
his music and I fell in love 

1052
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,920
with like there's a song he did 
called a March on and I all the 

1053
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,200
streams that he's gotten from 
that song probably from me. 

1054
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,640
Like I really enjoy that. 
So I really enjoy his music and 

1055
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,320
a couple of songs on his first 
project. 

1056
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,160
Let me just I don't want to get 
it wrong because it's not not 

1057
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,080
just like I really do think it's
dope music. 

1058
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,360
It's called my from my heart to 
yours. 

1059
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:57,520
It's A5 song project. 
It's really good. 

1060
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,720
But yeah, he also delivered and 
this is the same kind of feel. 

1061
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:05,240
He does more acoustic themed 
music and like we were talking, 

1062
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:07,200
I I feel like his music has a 
lot. 

1063
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,160
His music feels like it will be 
really good for like film and 

1064
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,560
like Netflix and all all that 
stuff, like yo. 

1065
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,760
I got that feeling as well. 
I got that feeling as well. 

1066
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,400
It's very, it's very cinematic 
in, in the way he presents it. 

1067
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,880
So man, shout out to him. 
Shout out to him. 

1068
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,000
My favorites, my favorites where
I see the light. 

1069
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,600
I really enjoyed that. 
I liked Champion. 

1070
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,480
It's a song I think we've had a 
lot, but it's interesting to see

1071
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,880
how he's done it. 
And also seen as Anthem, which 

1072
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,720
has like more of like a gospel 
theme. 

1073
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaking of gospel themes, 
there's been gospel themes with 

1074
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,000
artists recently, but we'll we 
won't get into that. 

1075
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,800
Yeah, we will get into that. 
Yeah. 

1076
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,840
Seen as Anthem, seen as anthem 
was was really dope also. 

1077
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,360
But yeah, it's a cool project. 
I'll definitely listen to it 

1078
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,080
again. 
I know some songs are going to 

1079
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,280
grow and meet more than just 
because I listened to it. 

1080
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,040
Maybe just one twice. 
I think I went through it, but 

1081
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,320
yeah. 
OK, so I think for me 

1082
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,840
personally, and I think we agree
on this, I think the song that I

1083
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:09,920
would love to play at the end of
the podcast for y'all is I See 

1084
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,520
the Light by. 
Billy Black. 

1085
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:28,600
Costa and Costa, Juan. 
I see the light a billion miles 

1086
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:41,080
away and I am stopping for 
nothing Ya Mama. 

1087
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:49,600
I see the light and an oka go Ki
NI yo SE Jo Bo ya Mama. 

1088
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:57,320
And in the land Qatar WeChat, 
take my nadir, we'll be OK. 

1089
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,480
Go tell my mother and father I 
finally found a way to change 

1090
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:09,840
me. 
Go tell my brothers and sisters 

1091
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,840
I finally found a way to save 
me. 

1092
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,960
Go tell my mother and father I 
finally found a way to change 

1093
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:26,840
me. 
Go tell my brothers and sisters 

1094
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,080
I finally found a way to save 
me. 

1095
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:12,400
It's your day to move a 
mountain, it's OK. 

1096
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,040
It's your day to move a 
mountain, it's OK. 

1097
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,600
To my mother and father, I 
finally found a way to change 

1098
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:34,760
me. 
Go tell my brothers and sisters.

1099
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,040
I finally found a way to save 
me. 

1100
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,960
Go tell my mother and father I 
finally found a way to change 

1101
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:51,760
me. 
Go tell my brothers and sisters 

1102
01:00:52,040 --> 01:01:15,560
I finally found a way to save me
the 

1103
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:55,080
the. 
That was I see the light by 

1104
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,440
Billy Black shout out. 
Oh, and Costa Drang. 

1105
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,280
Sorry, so shout out to both of 
them. 

1106
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:05,600
That was a really, really 
phenomenal song and phenomenal 

1107
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,760
project. 
So go peep that right now. 

1108
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,600
It's in your streaming devices 
or wherever you listen to music.

1109
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,120
Yo, Sam. 
That's that. 

1110
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,000
That's another episode in the 
can episode. 

1111
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,960
What, 78 bro? 
We're quickly approaching the 

1112
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,120
80s man. 
Like I told you man, Start 

1113
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,240
learning how to like disco, 
dance and stuff. 

1114
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,440
I don't do. 
Don't start taking drugs though 

1115
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:31,640
because I know they did a lot 
of. 

1116
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,040
Drugs. 
Oh no, yeah, LSD. 

1117
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:34,520
And anyway, no, we're not doing 
that. 

1118
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,400
Ayahuasca. 
Ayahuasca is a new thing. 

1119
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:39,920
I don't know what I'm talking 
about. 

1120
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:40,920
I'm out of my depth here, all 
right? 

1121
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,240
Are you talking about ayahuasca 
just because Kendrick told him 

1122
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:45,720
to take it and. 
Strip. 

1123
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Strip your ayahuasca. 

1124
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,760
Strip your ego down. 
Oh man, I didn't know ayahuasca 

1125
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:57,800
is good for stripping ego. 
No, all all, all psychedelics do

1126
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,520
that. 
That's why the Internet released

1127
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,760
the ego death. 
It's called ego death. 

1128
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,200
Anyway, I don't know why am I 
talking about this like I know 

1129
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:07,920
what's happening. 
I. 

1130
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:09,760
Don't know if you want to hear 
this. 

1131
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:18,480
Anyway, so yo, shout out to you 
all for sticking with us for 78 

1132
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,640
episodes. 
I want to just leave you guys 

1133
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,400
with my 3C's, which I've been 
pushing. 

1134
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,960
If you're new here and you're 
wondering what I mean by the 

1135
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:33,160
three C's, I mean, I need you to
be confident with your craft. 

1136
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,560
Oh wait, no, I've mixed those 
two. 

1137
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,120
But like, I want you to be 
confident with the music, be 

1138
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,720
confident in what you're 
producing, the art you're 

1139
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,720
making. 
You have to be confident back it

1140
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,320
because if you don't back it, 
nobody else will. 

1141
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:52,160
I also need you to be concerned 
consistent with the music that 

1142
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,400
you're making or the art that 
you're making, because if you're

1143
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:02,360
not consistent, you will Capital
WI double L be forgotten because

1144
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,480
there's so many people out here 
making art. 

1145
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,680
I feel like the only time you 
afforded the chance not to be 

1146
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,560
consistent is once you've made 
it. 

1147
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:14,280
And listen, we're all trying to 
make it still, so be consistent.

1148
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,880
And lastly, I need you to work 
on your craft because every day,

1149
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:22,280
like you have to strive to 
improve, even just do the small 

1150
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,240
things, you know, do the 
equivalent of what five sit ups 

1151
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:29,800
is, you know, five sit ups might
not look like much, but like if 

1152
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,640
you, I don't know what that is, 
but like if you do 5 sit ups 

1153
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,680
every day, you'll get somewhere 
eventually. 

1154
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:39,720
So yeah, those are the three CS.
Sal, tell us about 

1155
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,080
procrastination. 
Procrastination. 

1156
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:42,520
Have you watched the Lord of 
Rings? 

1157
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:43,760
I actually haven't done that 
yet. 

1158
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,200
You've never watched the. 
I've tried, I've tried 100%, I 

1159
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,760
think I've tried five times, but
I always clock out in like the 

1160
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,880
10th minutes. 
So, Sam, can me and the audience

1161
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,240
hold you to having watched Lord 
of the Rings before the next 

1162
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,440
episode? 
No, I will not promise that 

1163
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:03,640
because I know it will not be 
done. 

1164
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,680
Which? 
Brings no, no, no, no, you can't

1165
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:11,240
go into no, you cannot go into a
procrastination segment and say 

1166
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,440
that sound, but yes, for me, the
audience are waiting to. 

1167
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,000
Expect I don't wants to watch 
Lord of the Rings. 

1168
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:18,720
I've tried and failed a number 
of times. 

1169
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,880
I just I've abandoned it. 
That means that that means 

1170
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,640
somewhere inside you, you want 
to watch it if you've tried 

1171
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:25,800
multiple times. 
Hmm. 

1172
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,200
Yeah, here we go. 
OK. 

1173
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:28,720
Fine now far. 
Argue with me. 

1174
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,520
All right, cool. 
I'm still not being held in fire

1175
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,160
at. 
Least watch one. 

1176
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:34,720
Watch one. 
What's the first one? 

1177
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,400
What's the first one? 
But I'll come and talk about it 

1178
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,120
next, like, because people want 
to hear that, that idea. 

1179
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:41,000
Movie. 
Thank you. 

1180
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,600
They do. 
I promise you somebody out there

1181
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,840
is invested in this, OK? 
Just one, the one person, just 

1182
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,120
the one. 
All the listeners we have is 

1183
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,040
just that one GRR Token. 
I think he's the writer of the 

1184
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:53,960
The Lord of the Rings and the 
Fellowship of the Ring said. 

1185
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:58,520
It's the job that's never 
started that takes the longest 

1186
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,640
to finish, so make with that 
what you will. 

1187
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,200
That is true, but that's a fact 
that is true. 

1188
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:08,040
And on that note. 
And on those, Oh yeah, on that 

1189
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:12,440
note, on with those words, on 
that statement, blockbuster of. 

1190
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:17,880
Blockbuster with statement. 
Oh man, if it's the 78 we're out

1191
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,960
bro. 
We what a bid you adieu and yes,

1192
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:22,680
we're out.
