It's just funny to see you like amongst grey stuff because it
just doesn't. It.
Just doesn't feel like you, feel like you're.
That's not you. You're even a hospital bed or
something I feel like. Look like you're in a hospital
bed. Reporting, like anything for
Kelly. Where's the cobalt blue shelf?
I know, I know. Where's?
The plan Where's the random orange?
Where's your basketball? Where's the life behind my eyes?
Zest. Exactly.
And even even if I can't bring the colour into my my
background, you'd hope I'd be able to bring it in my my, my
tone or my my, my character, my energy.
Not today either. I'm I'm I'm existing in the grey
today. It's because I'm doing a show
everyone, because I'm doing. Did you?
Know he's doing a bunch of shows.
You know, I'm doing 20 shows. I feel like not enough people
know still. I feel like still people go,
you're doing a show. And I'm like, really, I, I post
so much, I'm trying to post so much about it.
And I think it's just going to my fans in Brazil.
I think it's going nowhere else well.
That's what you get for not going to Brazil.
Yeah, I know. Brazil, Argentina, New Jersey.
It's a real like. The Big Three.
It's hard, it's really Hard Out Here to, to tell people
specifically in Melbourne that I'm here doing a show.
And also then there's the second, this is the worst part
Kel, There's the second layer to it.
Not only do I have to, to let people in Melbourne know that
I'm doing a show, it's that there's that show is not a book
signing, it's just called book signing.
So there's 2 levels that we're working with and I've learned a
lot and I changed. The name of place.
I did this is all my doing months ago.
I thought this would be so funny and then I changed the name of
It's Funny. It's not smart though, and I
just changed the name of my Sydney Comedy Fest show in
mid-May to Intimate Design, which is the name of the book,
because I think that's a better. I think that's easier to
understand than. Book signing is like, that's a
very high level name like. Yeah, yeah.
That's not not to dumb it down, but like it's such like an elite
name that I fear just the average person who might not be
familiar with you would understand.
Oh, that's actually really funny.
Yes. They're like books.
Book signing. This is a comedy show.
Exactly even. Though I think it's a good name
5. Years from now, yeah, it's it's
hard to get the idea. It's like, no, it's I think it
what makes it hot is there are actual book signings during this
Comedy Festival by very established comedians.
And I'm just coming out here doing a show called Books.
But they'll it's like signing that always gets a laugh
revealing, revealing that fucking I've I pull it out and I
go and it's amazing. It's beautiful hardcover and I
slowly rotate it. So you see Molly Baz that on the
back. It's just a photo of some
meatballs and it's something every, I think like 2 nights if
I've had someone ask what does the book have anything to do
with those meatballs that are on the back of it and what
happened? Every time I read the book, I
put it back in the box that it came.
I tape the box back up. So I unbox it and I'll read a
chapter. I'll put it away and I'll tape
it back up. So if anyone asks about the back
cover, I'm like, we actually can't check because it's in the
box, but we'll have a look next time.
I don't know what you're talking.
About, yeah, don't think so. I'm like, it's a sample, sure.
I'm a graphic designer so I don't see why.
Inside the cover. There would be meatballs.
You're you must be thinking of someone else.
Yeah, it's a very, they're very confused, but but it's really.
Confusing. Yes, it's a lot of fun.
It's a lot of fun. It's just, it's just so I really
like have no energy the entire day up until about two minutes
before I go on stage, which is when I put the bold cap on.
I stare at myself in the mirror doing that and then push ups,
shadowboxing and then I do it and I go give it everything I
have, everything that I have. Then I get home and it's like it
never even happened and we do it again.
I only have Wednesday off until next Sunday and today's Friday.
But this is such a fun experience.
It is a fun experience. It's like you're kind of like in
boot camp. Yeah, yeah.
So you're just really running essentially really intense
drills. I brought my camera.
I was going to film a YouTube video down here.
I brought like so much stuff to do normal things.
Not no way. I can't do it.
I could have seen that coming. It's annoying because it's see
already my voice is on hello. It's annoying because the
Ritalin dries out my mouth which makes it really hard to perform.
So I'm not taking any meds while I'm here.
Oh, and that just means I'm like this old dad, like.
OK, it's like whenever you're in situations like that, you're
like, fuck, I do need my. Meds yeah, it really makes you
go huh, how am I unable to do anything today and it's like oh
I. Just live like this.
Exhausted. Yeah.
I'm like, kind of even. I also just found out like some
other comedians that I know are like kind of staying in the same
building as I am. Oh.
Maybe just we've. Never chatted before.
So I'm just like trying to avoid them because I'm awkward like
that. And now I'm like, don't want, I
don't want to go to the gym in the building or like the cafe
attached to the building or anything because I'm like, I
might have an awkward conversation and that's not the
right way to live. That's not the right way to
live. This sounds all self-imposed,
I'm sorry. It's fair.
It's very valid, yeah, But thanks to everyone who's come to
the show so far. I wish I could see it,
genuinely. I'm sorry, I can't even record
this one. It wouldn't even be.
It would be. It doesn't make it needs to be
in person. It really requires this one.
I believe that. OK, to be filmed Yeah.
How many wishes I uploaded graphic design live with the
crowd might have made it easier for people to understand my type
of the. Payoff was so good though.
Yeah, I think it was worth it. I think it was worth it.
I might just, I might just take. I'm going to ask for the the
crowd version so I can make clips out of it to make it.
I think that would be a good idea.
Yeah. The Elliot's version.
Yeah, make ads out of it, you know?
Yeah, I think that's a good idea.
Because right now it's not really working as an ad.
People are very confused. We're very confused on it again.
You're thinking too high level, OK, like not everyone is.
They'll understand is up there. They'll get, they'll get it
eventually, They'll get it eventually.
How are you doing? I'm chilling.
I've got my sorry, one of my many necklaces I have.
I have to wear this fucking heart monitor for a month.
A month. That's wild.
That is wild. A month.
I have a car key taped to my chest for a month.
It really does look like a car key.
It looks like a car key. Strap that you would like.
And it's because it's the, it has like a little, there's the
sticky thing that's like, the sticky thing is like 6 inches
long, but it has to go right below.
Like, you know, like where your collarbone starts, it's like an
inch below that. And then it just goes down your
chest. And it's, I don't know, it's
like I, it talks to a phone. I have a phone.
They sent me another phone. Oh my God, what phone is that?
Out of curiosity, I don't even know doctor phone so it just
says monitoring. Doctor Phone?
That's an Android. Interesting.
Yes, it is an Android. I opened this box for my doctor
and there's a phone inside and I was like, wasn't anticipating
that you. Need to keep that thing charged,
yeah. Yeah, I have to keep this
charged. And then the thing on my chest,
I have to undock it. Oh my God.
Then I have to charge it. I was going to say, I'm like,
does it? Is it just like?
So it's not actually monitoring you at all times because you
have to charge it. But do you do you swap it out
with a charged? One, the some of the kits come
with two again, this was prescribed by my doctor.
I got DMS asking they're like, where did you get this from?
And I was like my doctor. They're like, oh, I thought you
got it online. And I was like.
I'm doing this myself. I'm tracking it myself.
Yeah, and I was like, first of all, this is probably like I've
I read other people paid like 2 grand for this monitoring and
I'm like, thank God my insurance is covering this fully.
But yeah, some hacks come with like a second monitor so you can
kind of always rotate them out my game with 1.
So I will have a couple gaps in my monitoring because it takes
about an hour to charge but it's 24 hours a day.
Like you shower with it, you don't unplug it to shower.
So that feels really wrong to shower.
And this morning I was like, because like this morning was
the 1st morning I showered with it on me because I showered
yesterday morning before I put it on.
And then like I, I was telling Matt, I was like, it feels
really wrong to get in the shower with like an electronic
device. Yeah, I feel.
Like I was. And then you reminded me, I
bring my phone in the shower. Every single time I shower I'm
dropping my phone just it's hitting the bottom of the shower
straight under the stream of water.
Like my my phone is constantly getting submerged.
It's water resistant. I'm testing the outer limits of
the water resistance with my phone.
But I was like, well, this also feels like I don't feel bad
about my phone getting wet. This I feel bad about getting
wet because it feels like it's very serious and stuff.
So yeah, it beeps randomly. If it beeps, that's out of my
hands. Yeah, it just constantly sends
data to my doctor, which is fun. So I'm like, so it knows kind of
everything that I do, which is kind of odd.
So and also the other thing, it doesn't give me any live data.
OK. It doesn't even like show it
kept in the dark. Here's what you're up to.
I can't even you can generate. I get nothing.
It just says monitoring. There's a way to get There's a
way to turn that phone into a regular phone.
It has 4G. Yeah, I reckon.
You but I can't even leave the app it's like always just in
this there's. Always a way I'm.
Sure you can think. Yeah, it's like those screens
that like restaurants that have like order the, the the way you
order it on the touchscreen, It's all just an Android phone.
You can jailbreak all of it. I bet it's always.
I bet you can. Typical guy who worked at a
phone store. Oh.
Yeah, I love that shit. I'm actually so I love trying to
breaking AI chat bots and breaking physical giant touch
locked touch screens is a yeah. It's a good hobby to do that I'm
not very good at, but I do like thinking about it.
It's a hobby, I'm not good at it, but.
It's a hobby that I can't do, but I'm passionate about it.
Yeah, I have. A lot of respect for it.
Maybe you could jailbreak the monitor itself.
You've hit false, Yeah. Give me the data.
Tell me what you're sending. What else could you use it for?
Like, what is it? Yeah, it could be used, probably
could be used for other things. Maybe you could start your own
service, your own practice. Yeah, maybe you could use it for
that reason. It'll be fine.
Take it on Twitter. So yeah, I don't know how this
thing is going to like I got four of the sticky things and I
can only replace them when they're like literally about to
fall off. And the monitor will tell me
once the contact of like the sensor that's in it is like
like, I guess I kind of like starting to lose contact as the
adhesive is breaking down. So that's the only time I can do
it. And then you have to remove it
in the shower. So yeah, I'm really excited.
It's just a long time. I, my mom did it when she was
like younger and she was like, oh, I only have to do it for 24
hours. And I was like, oh.
It's a month now, Yeah, 24 hours.
I feel like you, you wouldn't get much.
You wouldn't get much from that. That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, the full month makes a lot more sense.
I've had like recorded arrhythmias before.
They're trying to figure out why my heart is being weird.
There's something wrong with my heart right now, but I was born
with a heart. I have a heart defect that I was
born with and it's it's like a hole between two of my.
Atrium aortas. A it's, you know, chambers,
they're between the chambers. It's a patent frame in a valley.
So it's essentially like a valve that's supposed to close when
you're a baby, like when you're born, it's supposed to close.
And then mine just stayed open. And it causes like heart murmurs
when you're a kid. And then mine closed eventually,
and then it opened again. So it just increases your risk
of stroke because there's like your heart's not working
properly, essentially. So it increases your stroke
risk. I have a clotting disorder so
that also puts me at an increased risk of stroke, and
there's also a very weird connection between the heart
issue and migraine and they don't know why so.
Talk to each. Other yeah, so I got to do this
in a bunch of other scans and I have to do like an echo and a
couple Ekgs and some blood work and figure out why I'm I'm
having arrhythmias because I don't they're concerned about it
and I swear to God, if they say it's my Ritalin, I'm going.
To oh God. Don't take away from me.
You have to. You have to stop your
medication. I'll be like Matt, Matt.
Get me a new heart. I don't know.
Yeah, I'd rather work than live. Yeah, I don't know if you know
this. I have a job.
Yeah. I have to work.
So yeah, yeah. So that is, that's what I'm up
to. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, hilarious side quest of mine, but also worth noting, per
Jared's no in our run sheet, yes, my post went triple
platinum on Instagram. Thank you.
Very, very exciting. Thank you.
It's the first time it's happened to me, so it's, you
know, a huge is. It is it the first time?
Yeah, yes. Wow.
Yes, I think the most I've ever gotten before was around 20K.
Can you see how I built an entire Korea out of making
posters with snacky text? It's people like it, they eat it
up, they really. Really do though?
Yep. Yeah, you can.
Really. You can really do the whole
thing. It's crazy.
Yeah, it's awesome. So if you enjoyed that by the
time you see this, I was a couple weeks ago, but I am
working on adding these to my print shop.
So make sure you're following me slash Killian on Instagram, yes,
so I can have real. Look at that.
This is just a sample I printed so.
Looks like such. Good.
Yeah, it's a 13 by 19 print and it has a really nice texture to
it because I wanted to make sure it had like the grit that's on
the post and not just have it be a clean, flat print.
Like, I want it to look a little distressed, but not in a tacky
way, you know? Yeah, and the geek is.
On it, Geek, dork and diva. They live on Geek.
Dork and doubt. There was a lot of love for the
exclamation mark above the diva. So glad people enjoyed that to
the degree that I did. I also love that the diva is,
I'm now realizing, is one with the chair.
Yeah, she is. She has one with the chair.
She's one of the chair. It's kind of awesome.
Yeah, I like to think that's a little thoughts on her.
She's like sweating. She's really sweating.
Due to the exclamation mark appearing.
But yeah I I really like how this print came out.
I had the thought of spray painting a couple of these so it
has a light gradient. Which?
I've done previously but I would have to do it after I print them
because I am not putting spray painted paper through my
printer. Would you, would you do like you
release 50, say, and then one of them is a shiny and you don't
know if you're gonna get the shiny one or not, but someone
gets a shiny version, You know what I mean?
The Pokémon, the hollow version brain, the Pokémon brain guys,
it is affecting more people. It is.
It is affecting more people than you think I love.
That idea, it's cool, right? Shiny poster I'm going to do I
think I might steal that. I'm going to one of you will get
a shiny. Like a glossy 1.
No, like like the well shiny is in like it's a different colour
way or something. Like something unique about it
that you don't. You wouldn't that.
I assumed you literally meant something shiny.
No, Yeah, more of like a like a secret rare.
Like a special edition type of thing.
Yes, yes, yes. And you don't put up any photos
of what it is. You just write in the
description. One person will receive a shiny
edition and it's completely random.
And then it becomes like a collector's item.
What are we doing today? We're going to play run on
little website that people love so much and only good things
ever come from. But I like to think Reddit has
more use in this world than artificial intelligence.
Everybody's like, oh, I'll just ask Claude, I'll ask ChatGPT
guys, whatever you're searching, whatever you're asking a chat
bot, just type it into Google. Remember her Google and then hit
special word. This is the keyword.
Everyone's asking like what prompt?
What's what did you what prompt did you use for this?
But the prompt you're looking for here is the word Reddit.
OK, start that at the end of your search.
It's just it'll it'll get you the best answer.
OK, I guarantee you whatever you're looking for, someone else
has already experienced it because nobody has a unique
experience ever. It's kind of having your
resurgence in a way of Reddit because of that.
Exactly. I think people are understanding
the importance of forum boards. And I think Reddit was Reddit
got a bad name because well, fair enough.
I think it's it's. They got a bad name, and for
good reason. For a good reason.
There are some communities that you're like, what the fuck is
this, but. Some of those people moved over
to other platforms. Yes, they went on the what
telegram? Probably discard Telegram bowl.
So Telegram is a scary one, that one.
Whenever I find out how many people use, I think Telegram has
a billion users. Look it up.
Hey, hey, that's scary. Look.
It up. Telegram has 1 billion monthly
active users and that was. Launched.
How many? How many people use Signal in
comparison? Signal. 70 to 100.
Million. Why do sketchy people use
Telegram? 100 million only.
It was 100 million. A billion.
No, that's 1000, a thousand million, right.
Wait, so a billionaire has 1000 million dollars, People will be
like 1000 million dollars. That's how much a billion is
Yeah, Telegram is concerning how how I think it's quite
considering how popular it is, but I think it's mainly I don't
think it's like, yeah, there you go.
OK, India is the biggest country, India, Brazil, Mexico,
South Africa, Spain, Italy. Because I know it mainly as a
anonymous. Neo Nazi communications.
Yes, yes, yes. But I think that.
I know it. I do think it is genuinely just
a popular like messenger. OK.
But I do know in at least Australia it has very negative
connotation. It has an unfavorable.
Yes, it's like all the the manosphere like group chats and
stuff on Telegram. Yeah.
It's kind of 1 billion though, is that's wild.
That's that's. So many.
Wild. Absolutely wild.
A many people. Yep, I just want to use it.
I mean, I don't I I. Hey guys, are you using Telegram
and what for? Yeah, because I'm genuinely
curious if it has that many users.
We'll get on it. Hey.
Guys, that many users. We'll make a community, we'll
make a Telegram chat. We can sell our shortcuts.
Country. Hey guys, have you ever wanted a
worse version of discord? May I introduce you to Telegram?
Yeah, the, the, the best community will always be Patreon
group chats. That's the that.
Truly like that's my safe space. It is lovely on them, it is
absolutely. That's my safe space, so we're
going to go to my not safe space, but sometimes it is my
safe space. Reddit, we did this a while ago
and you guys really enjoyed it. Just like from when we were
pulling posts that we wanted to go over, there isn't energy
going on right now in the graphic design world on
subreddit. Wellbutrin, now Lexapro, now
calling a friend now. I'm worried about that.
So we've got a little bit of everything, a little bit of
everything here. So we're going to try to keep it
a little bit more positive. Definitely a very different
energy from when we did this like a year and a half ago.
Yes, it's come a long way. I would say it was.
It used to be the butt of a lot of jokes like our slash.
Gravity design is where gravity design goes to die because you
would just look at someone making a post and then the top
comment would like, it'd just be like made this poster for fun.
And the top comment would be like, what does this mean?
What purpose does this serve? This isn't gravity design.
Everyone called, Yeah, literally just talk, talk.
And like I, Jared's rubbing his head, being like, I have to
bleep that out. I have to bleep that out.
The woke police are here. It's dark humor, Jared.
It's literally just dark humor. And yeah, snowflake in the we've
had a snowflake in the cold. We.
Got a snowflake woke police. Ridiculous.
But now it's very much like there was a strong anti AI
sentiment, I think a cross Reddit in general, because like
you were saying how I think Reddit is becoming a generally
anti AI tool in that it is in, you know, human the the easiest
place to get a human response. So I think Reddit have kind of
proudly attached themselves to that Reddit users.
And even like when it comes to I saw a fuck ice shirt I saw in
the top yearly posts, I saw some general anti Trump stuff at the
top of the I'm like, OK, I just had thought it was always
conservative aligned but maybe I was wrong.
So it's it's it's turned around. It's kind of cool now.
But it's all right. So we're just going to have an
objective look at this. Yeah.
See what everyone's saying? So let's get into it.
Let's read some posts. Let's.
Go ahead. OK, this is our first post
everyone. This is the first post we've
we've gone. Jared has found one from Am I
the Asshole, which is AITA. This is a classic page.
We've gone off our such graphics as under score design.
This is from four years ago. That's quite funny.
A whole election cycle. So this is the asshole for
refusing whole Olympic cycle for refusing to do graphic design
work for my mother? Hi, let me art and please I'll
read it now. I'll read it and we will decide
if this person is the asshole. Is that how this works?
Yes. Sorry I've never been on the
subreddit before. OK, guys.
It's his first day living. Yeah, I'm behind.
What is this website? OK I-17 F Enjoy making art and
I'm going into stop motion animation in university.
My high school offers university.
This could be Australia or the UK potentially not college.
My high school. High school, definitely
Australia. My high school offers an
internship that makes graphics, logo, T-shirt designs for
clients. I joined this internship and was
promoted to the position of art director so this is an
opportunity. My mother has been asking if I
could design logos and T-shirt designs for the different events
that she participates in. This is outside of the
internship and she asked me for designs because she doesn't have
the artistic vision that I do. This is the the first time she
asked for design. I was fine with doing it, but
she now frequently tells me that I have to make designs for
things she is a part of. She never asks if I want to
design A graphic. She tells whatever group that
she's in that I will make the design and then informs me
later. I have told her multiple times
very explicitly that I refuse to create more designs for her and
every time she gets very upset and expects me to make the
design anyway. She says that if I don't make a
design, I'm not allowed to ask her any favour ever again.
Fucking hell. I've explained to her that if
she paid me, I would make the designs.
The internship is unpaid and I am in too many extracurriculars
to have a job during the school year.
But she was shocked and appalled that I would make my own mother
pay for my work. It's not like I have much free
time to make these designs. I'm enrolled in three AP classes
and I'm taking an extra 1 outside of school.
I also have been severe. I also have been several after
school activities and I'm the art director for the internship.
On top of this, I'm also applying to scholarships and
worrying about in college the college now.
All right, the time that I have to spend making these designs to
my mother is very valuable to me and I tried explaining that to
her. But now every time I'm watching
a television show or playing a video game, she will get upset
and say that I could be working on her designs instead.
I thought I was in the right for being upset until I explained
my. This is.
Crazy who instantly sided with my mother.
They told me that the least I can do for my mother are these
simple favors and that she asked very little of me otherwise.
That she is just very proud of me and has given me
opportunities to expose my art to the world.
They both have done a lot for me, paying for my private art
lessons and allowing me to pursue a career in art, so I
genuinely don't know if my anger is justified.
And then there's some updates as well.
Generally. OK, I doubt anyone would read
this, but I talked to my mother after this post and we came to a
consensus. I would be allowed to decline
any artwork that she asked for without complaint as long as I
genuinely took each ask into consideration.
I made her some art and declined some.
I passed all my AP classes and got into my dream college.
Now that I'm in university, I have a lot more freedom and I
think our relationship has been somewhat repaired from the
distance. Thank you for everybody
commented. I remember being brought to
tears reading This is what means want to be the Nana Jesus.
Wow, this is. An American.
I guess potentially now I'm I'm I'm I I the the phrase.
Because there are some Americans who say university, and I think
it's weird. They think they just want to
sound like they're a part of the Commonwealth.
People. Yes, yes.
They say it to to be different because.
AP is very American, I feel. Yeah, AP is an American thing.
Yeah, yeah. Well, this is fascinating.
This is fascinating. This is a world pretty.
What a what a solid mind of a 17 year old like the boundaries,
willing to have the boundaries is so bold.
I couldn't when I was 17. I'd be like, yes, mother.
Yeah, of course. Yeah, I'd be like I'll.
Do that, Yeah. I have no time.
I have no time or will to live, but I will do that for you.
Quiet is everything. Yes, especially if it's your
mother. Especially if it's your over
demanding mother. Wow.
This stems to a a larger issue, which is that thing of like
people thinking that it doesn't take much time.
People think the graphic sign if the the classic, the classic
situation where people go, oh, I don't know how to do it.
It looks so hard, but you know how to do it.
So it takes very very little amount of time.
Yeah, it takes you only an hour to do that.
It would. Take you as well.
I feel like when you're young and it's not like I remember
when I was in high school doing work for like family and friends
and there it was always like the most insane revisions.
Like can we just see a completely new direction or
something like that? And you're doing it for free and
you're just like, this is a lot of this is a lot more work than
I was originally expecting. And if you don't communicate
that, you know, then then it's then it's hard.
It's hard. The other person doesn't
realize. They may not realize how much
work it actually takes. If you're just saying, yes, yes,
yes, but this is unreasonable. I don't think this person is the
asshole. I think, I think the mother is.
No, I agree, especially not getting paid for anything like
Jesus. Like is it if you're you're
making money off of the stuff like if she if the mom is doing
these events, what does the mom do?
What are? The events, yeah, yeah, it's
very expletive. Yeah, different events that she
participates in. What are the events?
Is she making money at these events like?
Justifying it because she doesn't have the artistic vision
that I do as well is like such a cop out as well.
I shouldn't pay you because I have a smooth brain.
Yeah, it's like, I would do it, but I'm not like as talented as
you are, so you should do it for free.
So that's why I shouldn't because I was going to do.
You're more talented than me, so that's why I don't pay you.
She. Says that if I don't make a
design, I am not allowed to ask her any favor ever again.
Is like the. Crazy slime.
Yeah. Child minor.
That's crazy. Well, I'm happy this person got
into their dream college. Yeah, that's a nice one past.
Older AP classes and I hope the AP classes actually counted
towards something. Maybe they're a kind head.
I hope maybe, maybe. There's sty head.
There's actually a very real possibility of yeah.
That'd be awesome. I feel like I feel like I want
to share this at the bottom here there is someone did say that
yes this person was the asshole and I I think this is This is an
insane comment which the OP responded to and someone said
quoting sections of their post. I am in too many
extracurriculars to have a job during the school year.
So you want your family to pay for these extras?
Seems like they could stop paying and you'd have a piece of
time. He says that if I don't make a
design I'm not allowed to ask her any favors ever again.
But you ask often, then question mark enough that you panic and
run to dad when she tried to cut you off from her favors.
Your parents aren't. Entitled to your work for free.
Good opinion, but you aren't entitled to theirs either.
So far this has been a one way St. of favors running in your
direction. Yes, the asshole.
So. Yes.
The I love when people say like, if you, you, yes, you should be
like grateful for like, you know, the amount of work that
some parents put into caring, but the parents generally
probably wanted you and like signed up in that sense to be a,
a parent in some capacity. I hate parents who are like, you
owe me. And it's like a 16 year old.
What do you mean a 16 year old owes you?
Like they're a child. What do they owe you?
Like wow, you parents. Are homework.
Doing stuff for you. It's like, yeah, they're the
parents. This is a fucking child like.
That's that's their job. I've always dreamt of having a
child to do my design work. I think that'd be awesome, you
know? There's a, a great anarchist
theory about like, kids are one of the most oppressed classes in
the world because of the way parents really are so
controlling over their kids out under the guise of like, I'm
protecting them, I'm teaching them.
I'm I gave them everything. So now they need to give me
everything in return. And just like the domineering
attitude of so many parents is truly like, terrifying.
Yeah, as someone with a very domineering parents, but man,
girl, I'm glad you're, I'm glad you're adding him.
Quite well, because even the response to that was like, it's
just so sweet. This person seems very sweet.
This is very well written. Like this is someone who is
like, this is someone who's really tried to be reasonable,
like 1 does not end up posting on this if they're like being
flippant. Like this is someone who's like,
I'm out, I'm backed into a corner.
My mom is crazy so slay Lever. If you are a Kelly Head, please
let us know. Yeah, genuinely, MTA, OK.
Episode 22 appearance on the screen share.
Oh, because you screen shared the run sheet.
It's. Funny, and I think I.
Yeah, I've noticed. Exposed.
No, no pay for you this week, Jared.
All right. Our slash entitled people.
This is awesome. What is this?
What is this subreddit for? It just was reporting on
entitled people. Oh yeah yeah OK.
What is the S? Am I the asshole for not doing
free work? Free graphic work for my
neighbor and causing tension between us?
Well, what kind of tension? Tension between us causing
tension. Sexual tension.
Yeah, yeah. What happened?
I'm edging my neighbor by not working.
I'm sure that's where this post is going, surely OK.
My work neighbor. Work neighbor.
Okay, so is that someone who maybe shares if you're in an
office building? Yeah, this feels like a
freelance or shared space potentially, Potentially.
My work neighbor who runs a high end business catering to local
celebrities. Okay.
I'm kind of a local celebrity in my own right.
Yeah? Approached me today asking for
help with some graphic design work.
He's working on a project and already has the logos designed,
but he needs help tweaking and adjusting them to fit properly
over wet graph. Paper your work neighbor
approaches you for help on his wet graph paper.
OK, God, my client wants to. He wants me to do Jesse's logos
for the wet graph paper. What is wet graph paper that is
not in my wheelhouse? So he can print them out.
For context, he's completely graphically.
No, he. Doesn't even own a computer.
This is a guy. This is a guy.
You run a business and you don't own a computer.
How do you run a business? Yeah, legit.
The white graph paper. Local celebrities, just just
just just community heroes. So does this guy just have like
a Rotary phone in his office? Yeah, I.
Did a quick mock up for him in Canva and he loved it.
Now he's asking for more help which involves additional
tweaking and resizing to get everything and just right.
This is literally make the logo bigger.
Yeah, for the wet graph paper. He's helped me in the past by
loaning me some random items, which I've appreciated, but I've
never asked him to do anything that involves his time for free,
and I never expect him to do work for free either.
What he's asking for will take up to an hour and require
several back and forth revisions to get everything sorted.
I feel like this is more than a casual favor.
After a tax exchange over this, he's now giving me the silent
treatment. He is clearly mad at me.
Am I the asshole if I don't want to do this work for free even
though he's helped me out before?
I have so many questions. Why is this person this person
in the wrong subreddit? As far as I know, this is you
know. Straight to entitled people as
bold. Yeah, I think this is very
interesting. I think I definitely have been
in this situation where you say yes to a small thing and then it
kind of like once it leaves their hands and into yours just
for a bit, then it, it, the, the return process is much more
difficult because suddenly you're the, you've become an
expert in this and they've lost a lot like a bit of confidence
in their own vision. They see the potential and it
really is down to communication at this point.
It's, it's all just because it's so no one knows how to be a
client. I think especially like
independent people, no one knows how to be the client.
I think everyone should know how to value someone else's work.
I think that's a big thing. If I ever work with anyone, I'm
always like, let me, if they're a professional, I'm like, let me
pay you. Let me pay you.
Like, that's a big part of it. And I think, you know, other
freelancers should uplift each other in that kind of way.
But if maybe this person genuinely thinks that loaning
random items is equivalent, and maybe it is to them, you got to
understand. I'd like to know more about
these items. Yeah, what are they like?
How Like if it was like, Oh, my neighbor loaned me his like
photo studio and camera equipment for two days.
Like OK. Yeah.
That's a lot of value and stuff that was loaned or if it's like,
oh, do you have a plunger? Yes, different, you know.
Yeah, did you clock the toilet? Yeah, like, so that's, that's
fair. I just, I'm very fascinated on
what your neighbor, your work neighbor does and the tension
that you've created catering to local celebrities with the wet
graph paper. I love, I do love that line of
work catering to is that food, do you reckon catering or is it
just is it just like who what do what is the what does the
catering involve I wonder? Where do you live where you have
local celebrities? It's working on a project and
already has the logos designed, so it's like this.
There's A and what is the wet graph paper?
You print them out. People who work in like print
production are like, it's this one thing that everybody who
works in print knows. How do you OK, I'm sorry.
I don't feel foolish. I don't know.
I'm just picturing like a stack of like, graph paper that you'd
have in school, but just like, like it was like dunked in a
toilet or something. Yeah.
And it's just like all rippled and swollen.
That's what I'm picturing. And I'm like, well obviously you
can't print on that. Yeah, also a hot tag.
Using the term to describe someone as graphically
challenged makes you the entitled person.
It makes you the entitled person.
I'm going to say that's kind of crazy.
Kind of crazy. Just because they don't own a
computer doesn't mean that they're graphically challenged.
Just because they only have a Rotary phone doesn't mean
they're graphically. They have a Rotary phone and a
slab of wet graph paper. OK, give them a break.
I do think that's a big it's a it's a big issue in the
industry. People people thinking that
people going on they don't have any taste.
They got no style, they got no skill.
Fuck them. You know, and I get it.
Does it does happen. It does exist.
They can be. Random We graphically challenged
people in this world. I do know, but it.
We should not look down on them. Welcome them with open arms.
Exactly. I would.
I would say like this is one of those things like this would
apply to any client, whether it's your work neighbor or any
anyone, especially with like people you might have a closer
relationship with. That's not just like a distant
person, that would just be a client.
This is like like neighbors are like family and friends
adjacent. Or maybe you are friends with
your neighbors. I am, but like, that's kind of
it's, I feel like it's easier for people to lean into things
and kind of push those boundaries a little bit more
because it's like, it's more so just like a favor instead of an
exchange. But maybe, maybe direct your
work neighbor to the local library where he can use the
computer and maybe, you know, show him how to sign up for
Canva and just hand over your Canva templates.
And yeah, he will no longer be graphically challenged.
I do think that is the probably the best solution in this case.
Don't, don't, don't give them the fish.
Teach them how to fish right. Yeah.
I think like you kind of have to in the sky.
I think that's probably the easiest way if you want to do it
free, if you don't want to waste too much time, be like, hey, I
don't have the time to take this on right now because if I'm
going to work for you, you're a friend of mine.
I want it to be good. You know, that's I think that's
how you would start it. I also just had a really quick
joke, which I think I'm going to turn into a poster.
Maybe I can do it, which is the easiest way to lose a friend is
to offer graphic to do their graphic design work because I
think that genuine. I've lost a lot of the client.
Genuinely lost. Yeah, turn them into the client.
I've genuinely like had such awkward back and forth with
people that I've that I've that have been the last messages
we've sent. You know, it's kind of awful,
but. It's.
Truly, you do need to approach it to stop being like I would.
I would want to put in more time and you know, obviously I.
Can't you deserve better? Free stuff.
You deserve better. But in the meantime, let me show
you a way that you can still have full control.
Here's canva.com. And here's some fonts.
Yeah, like, that's a basic size. Well, it's just some fonts that
might hand it over. Yeah.
A recommendation list.
You don't have to do it all, because it is.
It is tough when you say that they want to make small changes
to your to your vector and you don't know they don't know how
to change a vector. And then there's just pixel
pushing and it's just. Like then you're screwed.
Make the logo bigger. Make the logo smaller.
Yeah, yeah. OK, so people are generally
saying you do it once, you might ask for more later.
That's true. Yeah, so.
Interesting. Good puzzle.
Feels like it provides a lot of context about this person.
They like voiced your concern and then they just.
Yeah, the side treatment. Is yeah, grown adult.
I think that means that you don't have to give back the
random items if they've guessed she.
Keep that plunger. Keep the plunger.
Good little post. This is quite fun.
I'm enjoying this. Reading this I see why people
make YouTube videos doing this. Whole podcast.
I'm sorry Jared, this is how I'm doing it.
I'll do something. Better or should we jump to
another? Category, Yeah, let should we
do? Yeah, one of the vent ones
maybe. I just.
OK, Yeah, here we go. 20 years of Adobe and I've done.
Yeah, seven days ago. Oh, this is popular.
This is popular. OK, why don't you read this?
One. Yeah, I got it.
I'm graphically challenged. This is on RI Love that in the
bottom right of this screen share there's just fuck Adobe
with all of my heart from R slash graphic designing just
kind of there. Good to know people people feel
the same. OK this is 20 years of Adobe and
I'm done. Tagged as a vent in R slash
graphic under score design. I've been using Adobe since I
was 11. Illustrator, Photoshop, After
Effects, Indesign. This software built my entire
career. I loved it, genuinely just tried
to cancel my subscription. This person was using Flash.
They were making animations in Flash.
Flash is a site which. Means that they're like my age.
Yeah, just tried to cancel my subscription and they want £70
to let me leave an exit fee for software.
I blocked my card, froze my account and changed banks
because Jesus Christ, Because that's how.
Far, I'm taking my money. This is crazy.
The software is still incredible, I'm not pretending
it isn't. Adobe AI tools are stupidly
good, OK? And they make my job easier,
more efficient and idea driven. Less on your side now.
Yeah, I know, keep confusing, really confusing.
More efficient and idea driven instead of technically,
especially paired with other tools.
The company behind the software has lost the plot.
They've over engineered their entire system to be profit
driven, hooking people into small print and trapping users
who aren't reading the terms like it's a law degree in
shitification. Back in the day it felt built
for the creatives by the creatives.
Now it's built by greedy profit driven corporates in control of
daydreaming geniuses and sold to those not yet aware.
So where are you lot at with this?
Still writing it out, Made the jump to Infinity or something
else? Can anything actually replace
what Illustrator and Photoshop do right now?
AI tools included? The line has been crossed for
me. Wondering how many of you feel
the same? Wow, 881 uploads in seven days?
That's pretty. That's pretty big for Oscillos
graphic under score design. This is one of those people,
like we started watching the show neighbors.
I don't know if you've heard about it, but it's like about,
it's like, it's like a reality show, that sitcom.
Neighbors. Oh no, no, no.
And sorry, not. Sitcom.
This is very American, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I think very American good of this, it's created but.
It's just about like. People as like the Yeah.
Yeah, it's like spats between neighbors.
And when we were sitting down to watch it, we were like, we're
about to see people with the most insane political
alignments. Yeah, like it is going to be the
most like they have. OK, this one belief, you're
like, oh, that's really good that they believe this.
And it's like the most insane thing that completely
contradicts it. But yet they hold both at the
same time. This is one of those people.
Like, I just hate the insertification of Adobe.
I think they're just scalping people with the money every
month. But I do really love their AI
tools and there's really nothing quite like it.
But I really hate that it was so hard to.
Guess yeah, I am wondering which are you, which tools that are
really helping them because. Maybe they have the Killian bot?
Maybe they have Killian bot. It's a very good point.
They might have access to Jared, but I think yeah, this is this
is confusing that they see a lot of you know that that that it's
greedy profit driven corporates, but they don't understand that
that applies to literally the entire AI industry.
It's it is confusing. What is there a top comment on
this one? I feel like this one would have
would have a. Yeah, I gave up on them too.
Outstanding software, but the grid is completely unhinged.
Plenty of alternatives out there.
Affinity. Affinity mentioned just released
version 3 and it's a high quality and free replacement for
Photoshop, Illustrator and Indesign.
AI tools have a cost if needed, but that's rather common.
Yeah, yeah. So here.
We go the next comment on on at the bottom there.
This is a classic slash graphic under score design thing being
like, you agree? Yeah, that's not an exit fee.
It's a fee for breaking the one year contract that you signed in
which you agreed to subscribe for a full year in exchange for
a lower per month cost. Yeah, I would prefer that if it
were a straight unlimited license and not a subscription,
but that ship has sailed. It's like this is how it is now,
bucko. To quote Kyle Kolinsky, you're
glazing Adobe GUI, OK? Gooey.
Stop. Stop glazing gooey.
OK? Jesus Christ.
It's an exit fee actually. Well, this is literally, well,
actually. Yeah, Jesus Christ, I do hate
that thing. But also this, this OP hasn't
hasn't talked to their customer support yet, which because it is
ridiculous. It's like, it's like the thing
when you when I signed up to Adobe Stock for the seven day
free trial. And then I forgot.
To cancel it and then when I did go and cancel it I had to pay
$400.00. I was like this is when like
this is in because they they hide it like this is the thing.
It's like I think someone else mentioned it very like with
some. A lot of people got wrapped up
in the. I got wrapped up into it and
even Matt got wrapped up into it because we both realized because
we had like I think it was before we merged our Adobe
accounts, but like we had individual Adobe accounts.
And then we both realized that we are both paying for Adobe
stock somehow. And this was like in like 2018
and it would have been like a year that had been like wrapped
up into it. And I wasn't paying attention
because it was just on like autopay and I was paying another
$10 every month for Adobe stock. And I think I just like went
sicko mode on on something and I was able to cancel it.
But like you can't even like get the credits that like I was
like, well, at least I'll use all my credits.
Nope. So.
Yeah, it's, it should make it very clear when you sign up.
It should be a thing that you have to like, read and approve
being like, if you can't, like, you know, if they're going to do
it, it should say like, just letting you know if you cancel
this, you will have to pay all of it up front.
Do you agree? And you have to like, do it
rather than hiding it in like a terms and conditions kind of
thing. They're like class action.
Why can't they just have it be like a cancel anytime like
what's the point Why they desperate?
To make money because they're going under because they're
going. Under that's true.
They deserve it. But the answer to this everyone
if you ever get into the situation, message the customer
support. Do not stop until you don't have
to. I didn't have to pay the Adobe
stock thing. I just said I never used it.
I wouldn't use it. You can like and that's the
thing. It's like if I didn't have to
pay it, then why should anyone? You know if there's exceptions.
I've had pretty good luck with their customer support.
Like when I've had issues like I would say their customer support
is better than a lot of other customer support that I've
experienced. Absolutely.
They're very fast. YouTube's always insane.
I they have, I have some unkind words for them, but yeah, every
time I've had like an issue with Adobe, they've been able to help
me. Like when my entire font library
uninstalled a couple weeks ago. Whole font library.
Every single font on my computer uninstalled.
That's insane. OK, And then I posted on my
story and a bunch of other people were like, this literally
happened to me this weekend. I'm losing my mind.
I don't know why. And then the Adobe, I was like,
it's just we had to reinstall Creative Cloud and it'll it'll
fix it. And I'm like, I should.
Why? Why, Yeah.
It's but. Whatever, totally fair.
I think Affinity is a great alternative, especially now that
it's free. And I like that their AI tools
are like separated as a premium feature, which means I'm not
going to be harassed by them like I am with Adobe.
Yeah. So that's really annoying.
That's how it should be. That's how it should be, yeah.
I went into the controversial comments.
There was one someone basically doing the blaming.
Oh you, you know you're you're you have to cancellation fee
because you they have to recoup OPS response.
You're just straight up licking corporation ass with this post.
Not going to sugarcoat. Glazing gooey.
Glazing gooey which and and this is this is where I wanted to get
because the next comment to this someone said if you pay 899 for
Netflix with ads instead of 1999 for standard, do you get angry
when ads show up? Because that's you right now
laugh my ass off. That's not the own you think it
is. Netflix used to be 899 with no
ads and had more stuff like. That's that's this is the Asus
graphic under score design to know and love right?
Like this type of this type of like this is just the way it is
now, OK, You have to be OK with the way it is.
It's going to keep getting worse.
And then they go it's it's not going to get any worse than
this. And then when it does it go,
this is just the way it is, OK. It's a good.
It's the industry standard. It's a good.
It's a good company. Yeah, do not fall behind.
Still confuses to the the AI stuff on on, on OP, really.
It's like. Yeah, I don't know, Maybe it's
the integration. Subject stuff maybe?
I don't know. I don't think this.
Is because I would say the best yeah AI tool is the better
select subject. Yeah, it's select subject, it's
it's any of the like removing background stuff.
Yeah. Or like, I don't know, maybe
they're into that turntable. An illustrator thing.
We can take it to take a thing and make it we.
Turn it around and it gets all super distorted, like it starts
looking like the early Dolly days.
Yeah, it's good to know. That's weird subscriptions.
So we do one more of this, maybe.
Let's do what event? Or either or either.
What do you reckon? Maybe an advice one?
OK, what do we have here?
How to deal with clients who don't?
Something just got replaced by AI.
Maybe they'll maybe that one. Yeah, I think that's.
Maybe. Maybe this is what we're
talking. Yeah. 2.9 hours and upwards.
Who's turns it to red? Yours.
You want to take this one or should I?
Sure, OK, whelp, I love when people say well.
Yeah, I love whelp. Well, just got replaced by AI.
Someone's seeking career advice. I've been working in Graph.
Let me I'm just adding graphic design.
Sorry, I've been working. We can't assume.
We can't assume in the graphic design subreddit.
So that's true, True. That's a shame.
Shame of mine I can't read. I've said that.
I've been working in design for 12 years and recently got hired
for a flat rate logo plus billboard project.
Interesting combination. Yeah, yesterday the client sent
me a generated graphics of what he wants and he simply wants me
to recreate them. They're unfortunately really
good and exactly what he told me he was looking for during our
kickoff meeting. I've been extremely angry ever
since. I always assumed that we'd be
fine with the AI integration, as AI can't put soul into graphics
and will never be able to. Maybe emotion, but not soul.
I appreciate that, however I never considered this type of
replacement situation and definitely foresee it becoming a
norm. I'm thinking about adding a
stipulation to my contract and possibly pricing guide stating
that I will not recreate AI generated images if client wants
that they can go to fiber. Is this a bad idea?
I don't know if I can stay in this industry if AI becomes a
creative director, which makes me so sad.
I dealt with a situation like this very recently.
I had a client at a major label bring AI generated stuff to our
creative meeting. And I didn't know that it was
AII was looking at it. And I was like, there's a hue,
there's a hue, A tint to it. And then I eventually brought it
up with another director and they were like, Oh yeah, this
happens a lot with this client. And I was like, and you decided
I was the one to handle the project.
You thought this was going to be a good pairing me.
And so essentially what we decided on, and I think it's a
good practice if a client, if you don't go this route, which I
think the route that they presented here is genuinely a
good route. If you don't go this route.
The alternative would be, and it's something that I've
implemented, if I don't abandoned ship, which I'm
perfectly fine with people wanting to abandon ship because
these are like sycophants. But what you can do is if a
client brings AI generated stuff to you.
What you can do is control what you give back to them.
So even if you're presented with that, sometimes you might not
have a choice to abandon the project or back out for whatever
reason. What you can do is just control
what you give back. So it might involve a difficult
conversation with them and say, you know, in and around working
off of ideas like this. And it's a big reason why in
graphic design, it is still fairly taboo.
And I don't think it will go away or I don't, I don't think
it will become as big of an issue that I think we initially
thought it would be. And that's because of the lack
of legal foundation around AI generated graphics.
Like the US Supreme Court ruled like a month ago that this stuff
can't be trademarked because it has to, that it can't like it's
source work can't be like fully AI generated.
Like it needs to be created by a person.
And that's why a lot of people are like like legal teams find a
lot of issues with AI generated stuff because it's legally hard
to enforce. So that is a a pretty strong
armed way to go back to the client as if you're essentially
being asked to RIP off the AI generated stuff.
Having the conversation with the client.
If you're in the US here that, you know, remind them of the
Supreme Court ruling about this stuff is not able to be
trademarked. So if you want to be as safe as
possible, the best way if you want to be able to trademark a
graphic or have legal backup behind it, being able to say
that a human was behind this the entire way.
Instead of saying, oh, the brainstorm was AI generated and
we use that as a jumping off point.
If someone were to really come to you and pin you on the source
of something, you wouldn't be able to back that up very far
other than to oh, well, I fed it into, I don't even know a
program to make the graphic and then it was transformed via
human. I think legally speaking, it
doesn't have the foundation of like people worked on this the
entire time. It was never generated in any
aspect. So I think, you know, reminding
people of lack of legal foundation for something does
tend to scare people into wanting to cooperate if push
does come to shove. You were to be sued for whatever
reason. AI is known for just taking
stuff and going and spitting it back out.
So you don't know where the things were pulled from.
So someone could come after you because one of their things got
fed into this generation and then they could be mad at you
because it was then transformed in another way.
So being able to say people were behind it the whole time I think
is a better argument with clients.
But if you have that conversation and they still are
like, no, I want to do this. Being able to just say, OK, I'm
in control here. I can give them something that I
made in, in the best of your ability and not, you know, give
them any AI generated stuff back.
Essentially, you can only control what you give them in
that situation. If the conversations don't go
anywhere, just know that you have that control.
And that was the ultimately the conclusion we came to with this
other client that I was working with.
And I eventually like asked to be removed from the project
because it got out of out of my hands because it was just a
little too beyond my comfort level.
So it's a very real possibility. I really like the idea though of
the stipulation in the contract. Yeah, I was going to say, I
really like it, very valid. I think that'll help you find
like clients who also in Tai as well.
I think it would be a good way of like preventing issues down
the track I. Have it on my website, like in
my about section. Like it's very clear that I do
not use it and I do not work with it.
And I think being upfront with that, like it's ultimately a
sign of respect for yourself and also the client.
Like it's like, come on, let's be like adults about this, OK.
Like do you want people to care about your business?
Yeah, because everybody sees businesses using AI as like, it
like cheapens the business. Like it's like, oh, so you don't
care? Do you care about your business?
Because from this it looks like you don't.
Yeah, it's like gives it gives the client like a bit of an
outsider perspective from you as the designer.
Yeah, I imagine clients could get very, they wouldn't be able
to see that. They think that, oh, everyone's
using it all these look at all these other businesses using AI.
I'm an I'm a business as well. I should like follow that trend.
I think they a lot of them get caught up in doing that rather
than looking at it from the other perspective is actually
using the product that you're doing whatever.
Like what does that look like to you?
You know, like what are you as a consumer when you look at a
business using AI, they don't see that.
So I think like you have the opportunity as the ground
designer to like be that middleman between the the
business and just the ordinary people.
Yeah, I say put in the contract. I reckon that's kind of sick.
Have either of you had your work put into AI generation and then
like sent back as a revision? No thank.
No, thank God. I can't imagine anything more
demoralizing. Yeah, I'm legit.
I would. I would go ballistic.
Yeah, yeah, I think. That would.
I think people are too afraid of me to do that, and I like that.
That's good. A contract item though to have.
Yeah, I really like that idea. Please do the like.
You cannot put my work into HEBT to like help with revision.
Yeah. I'd actually rather you come to
my house and shoot me. It's just like, yeah, like what?
What? What do you?
I hate that people can't see that.
I think that the client wouldn't be able to see how bad that
would feel to be like, hey, I put your work, I gave revisions
to your work to a bot and this is what it did.
Can you now recreate this? It's like just, oh God, I'd be
so pissed off. And they just tell, just talk to
me. Literally just talk.
Like so much of this could be just let's have a chat, let's
have a call. I know it's one of those things
like why are you asking that? Just send me the e-mail.
Yeah, yeah, I think as well if this in I the top comment on
this is that whole thing like who cares if the check clears is
the kind of thing you know, for these jobs you perform.
But if the check clears, who cares kind of thing.
But like, I think like the the the whole thing of being like, I
have been extremely angry ever since.
That's that's very important to note, I think as a as if you're
working. Like this is someone who's
clearly like, like this is like disturbing them.
Yeah, like, and it's like that's gonna that's that's going to
make you hate what you do. I feel like you're going to
protect your pace a little bit and that kind of thing just
because the check clears kind of thing.
It's like how how many times are you going to like put up with
that level of like yourself being so pissed off about it
like that Can't that that's that's going to fuck with you
after a while. It's it's not going to do every
so often. I feel like to put up with that
kind of shit, but like you'll get.
There are. Better clients out there.
I'm convinced. I know I'm like a bit out of
touch because I'm, you know, I work with more brands doing
sponsored stuff, but I, I, I don't think like putting
yourself through that level of anger is good.
Like, yeah, but obviously money. Is I agree, I agree.
I mean, I lost my my biggest client ever and doing my taxes
recently has really, you know, reminded me how much that has
hurt me financially and I lost lost the client ultimately
because it my morals, I guess my beliefs, my values cost me this
account. And it was purely because I like
I'm, I'm a very patient person. And I think this applies to a
lot of scenarios where we are willing to go like grin and bear
it for a little bit and just try to see if there's another way we
can work through this issue. But then it does get to a point,
and I think like OP says here, that it's like really making
them upset. Like that's when you've
approached that point where like, I feel like I'm losing my
mind. And I think there's a lot of
legitimacy and feeling that Like, I think it's good to be
angry about AI because like, look at what it's doing to the
world in so many ways and what it's doing to just like the way
that we think. And so I think it's OK.
It is, yes, a privilege to be able to decline stuff.
But it's also like if these things affect you over time,
like like the stress of constantly being like the just
feeling like you're not worth something, if you just feel like
all of your feedback can just be done by a bot like that.
Also like that feeling, you know, you have that value within
yourself of like, if that hurts you, that you, that's something
that you value, you value yourself.
And I think it's also good to remember that you have that
value. So like you don't need to always
degrade yourself for the sake of a check.
And yes, like, you know, be wise with your decisions, but I think
it's also like, OK, in a world where everybody is just so
easily bending, especially to AI, like it doesn't have to be
the future. It's the future if you guys just
lay down like we don't have like it's like when people, people
will so boldly say like fascism is here and it's like we can, we
can try to do something about it.
We don't need to just lay down and accept that we live in a
surveillance state. We don't need to lay down and
accept that we live in a police state.
We don't need to just lay down and accept the constant
monitoring and kidnapping of your neighbors by ICE.
Like we don't need to keep just being like, well, it is what it
is. We can't just keep throwing our
hands up at everything. And I feel that same way with AI
and people are just gobbling it up because it's not done by a
government. And like you have to understand
that these companies are also collaborating with these very
governments that you guys are being critical of.
Like, and the fact that you can't decipher between those two
things and realize it's all connected that these companies
don't care about you. And so you being upset about AI,
like coming into your work, into your livelihood is a way that
you pay your fucking bills. Like, I think it's OK to be very
upset about that. And people who lay down and just
be like, take the money. Does anything matter?
Like does anything matter anymore?
Does anyone mean anything? Like if you're just like, take
the money. OK, so you would, you would call
like the Gestapo? Like that's like that's who you
are to me. Like you just don't care about
people. You don't care about the
well-being of people around you with friends, family, like never
talk to me again. I my doctor's going to be my
doctor's going to be alerted of this conversation.
This goes straight to the heart, one of that.
I'm like getting sweaty. The cherry on top of that rant
is that the AI poster has just broken 1,000,000 views.
Let's go. People care this, I think it's,
it's, it is. That's an obvious sign that the
because I think, like to your point, Carl, I think it's very
easy to get caught up in the in the swell of other content
creators who are just trying to make a buck themselves by taking
AI sponsorships or like trying to make a hot take or something.
Putting up a YouTube video called graphic design is dead as
we know it. Graphic designers who use AI are
going to like survive this wave and are going to be the ones
like profiting in the future. They really have no idea what
the fuck they're talking about because they're just like me.
They are just other Youtubers who don't work for client.
They just they just do graphic design stuff, the content,
right? And they just know that making a
video about a trending topic and a hot take, something's saying
something as crazy as Hollywood is dead, graphic design is dead.
All this stuff is going to get clicks.
It's just fear mongering. And it's like.
And there's a lot of power. It's like why propaganda is
propaganda? Like there is a lot of like
psychological manipulation that goes along with that.
And like people not being able to recognize like when what's
the term that I'm looking for? Oh, it's like when it's a
narrative being constructed to you via media.
Jared, help me. I know you know the word of the
manufacture consent. Thank you.
But like it's people are not able to recognize that when it's
happening. And I hate, hate the analogy
that this is like when the camera was invented.
Yeah, it's the worst I. Hate that.
Like I think that is such a disingenuous way of categorizing
tools and looking at the way art evolves and changes over time.
Like I think like that people are so stupid.
This is why people need to open a book.
OK? This is why reading like
political literature is really important.
This is why I like actually understanding praxis is
important. Like it's you need to be able to
see how these things are connected.
Otherwise you're going to have weirdos like in this Reddit
where they're like, I hate Adobe, but I like their AI
features. Like that's someone who's like
wires. Wires are loose.
There are things that are not making a full, There's things
not making full contact in the brain upstairs.
Like it's why we need to understand politically how deep
graphic design goes. This my Trader Joe's video idea
like it's, it is that deep. It is all that connected.
And I just wish people stopped just taking it, man.
You don't need to and it is going to cost.
This is something Matt said to me.
That was a very, very sobering point when I was in the throes
of losing this really big client, my biggest client I'll
ever have, when I was saying like, this is like, it's going
to cost me financially, you know, just to have these because
it was ultimately my decision, because it was based on like my
values and my morals and being able to say, no, I'm not going
to do this anymore. Like my boundary is here.
You've crossed it. I'm done.
And so I was like, like, like, I'm like, I'm doing this because
of my morals and it's costing me so much.
And he said, well, for some people it costs them everything
though, like, everything. And it's like, yeah, it is going
to cost you in the meantime, But some people literally give up
everything to believe in their morals, like everything.
And that has really sat with me as I've thought back through
like this past years, as I was looking at the, you know,
financial breakdown of losing this client is that it cost me a
lot. It cost me almost half of my
income. And I have to think it costs it.
It really did cost me nearly everything.
But I'm I have a roof over my head.
I have health insurance. I have food, maybe not my
stomach right now because I did forget tea lunch, but it like
other than that, I'm still going to be OK.
So it is costing me a lot, but it's not costing me everything.
And that's I think why I feel like I have the leverage to be
able to give more because there are people who do give literally
everything for their beliefs, everything.
And so I think it's annoying when people are like, just take
the money, like it inadvertently comes from a place of a lot of
privilege because it's like, it just doesn't mean that much to
you because it doesn't affect you in that way.
And if you know anything about the cost of AI, it the poorest
people in the world are the people who bear the brunt.
That's why I fucking hate the oh, it makes things successful.
No, it doesn't, because the poorest people in the world are
the people who actually are the cost for it to be so accessible
to you. The poorest people in the world
are the people bearing that weight.
So it's, it pisses me off. It pisses me off so much.
God I fucking hate AI anyway. Someone.
I love your graphic design podcast.
Someone asked me in my show last night what my thoughts saw and
during the Question Time what my thoughts on AI were.
And my whole character of course loves AI.
So I went on a little thing about how much I love AI and it
hurt. I'm not going to laugh.
It was really like, I was like, this is I can't imagine speaking
passionately about this, that people genuinely.
Rubes like. This was like, you know, some
people like me aren't creative. This allows me to be creative.
That's one of my least favorite ones being like.
Community College. Creativity accessible.
Now Community College. Now youtube.com.
It takes time to learn these things.
It's a skill. Oh my God.
Anyway, everybody read Empire of AI by Karen Howe.
I just finished it. It's phenomenal.
OK. AI.
Yes, this. Is good.
I want to read an AIAI book. It's one of the better ones that
was recommended because Karen Howe has been on their ass for
like 15 years. Like she like, she's like, no,
there's something going on here. Yeah.
And I don't like it. Yeah.
She's been investigating like Open AI specifically since like
2015. Oh wow.
Like she's been on. Their ass this is.
Them there. Has he been around since like
2012? God, I didn't know that.
Yeah, just slowly chipping away. Yep, Yep.
So, and that's why, because I read that, it's why I also don't
fucking trust Anthropic. Because the people who started
Anthropic came from Open. Hand.
Oh yeah. So yeah, anyway, the state of
graphic design is OK if we remember that we only have each
other. And that there is a lot of power
and the camaraderie and community of people around you
instead of just being like, how do I get XY and Z?
How are you guys coming with us? You cope by supporting one
another. You cope by like showing up for
one another, being there, listening to people, sharing
resources. Like that's where the power is
and it'll. Trick you into thinking this is
a lonely, isolating career. And it can feel like it, but it
can still. Yeah, still.
One of the best things I ever did was just telling people how
much I was charging and then realizing I was being very
underpaid. Oh, there you go.
Why was I keeping this a secret? It's really.
It's so worth talking about it. So you're not alone.
Now episode. We haven't done one of these
ones in a while. Chatty, chatty.
Anyway, anyway, let's get on to the things that I actually
really do look forward to every week, As if I don't already look
forward to anything but this. I dread this every week.
What's my favorite? This is my favorite.
Oh, OK. Hates this.
So, song of the week, do you have a song of the week?
I should yes. My song of the week is from the
new Thundercat album. It's what is left to say a
Thundercat in the. Another Thundercat.
I love Thundercats. I have to admit I love
Thundercats. Or actually, I'm going to I'm
going to put this one in This one's fun.
I'm going to do this is this is this is Peek Kelliot.
I feel I'm going to recommend Birds Part 1 by Chassell, one of
my favorite musicians, the French artist Chassell, who I'm
reading this bio. He has a has a distinctive
composition method called ultra score.
This music won't be for everyone, let me tell you that,
but it's like if what Chassell does, I've seen him live.
He, he was playing piano for a comedian that I was watching in
LA once. And his music is so cool because
it like he'll hears someone talking and then hears like the
cadence in their voice and like how the tone shifts and will
like play piano. But it's like that kind of thing
where he plays piano based on how their tone moves.
So it's like a lot of the music is just like people talking that
he'll like chop up and turn into like cool music.
And Birds Part 1 is just bird songs that he's turned into, and
it's really kind. Of.
Awesome. He's really cool.
I fucking love this guy and it was made back 2015.
This is before reels, so it's really.
Organic. It's organic.
This is IGTV. He is a really nice guy.
Forgot we called him. That good?
Yeah, we called him that. Long live IGA.
But yeah, Chassell give Chassell with Chassell's fucking sick.
You got to get around it though. You got to like, you got to
embrace it. You got to embrace it.
That's what I'll say. Yeah, it's like the The Plant
music I like listening to. I.
Army guards by Moscow. That one crazy, Yeah.
It's like, it's like weird. And then you're like, hold on.
You're like, hang on, I'm productive.
Wait, am I photosynthesizing right now?
I'm literally a bug. Yeah, it's so.
Good. It's awesome.
I I'm telling you, it's like taking just like a little like
baby Ritalin. It's just like a yeah, it's
something comes over me where I'm like I am a plant.
It's really, I actually need to be listening to that while I'm
I'm going to, I'm going to quickly pull that.
What was it called again? What's that album called?
I've lost. It Omni gardens I'm asking.
Yeah, I an incredible album artwork as well.
So, so good. Oh yeah, triple platinum on on
Pinterest. Dear God.
Checks out. Yeah, this, this.
I need this right now. I need this kind of music for my
brand. That's a good one.
I'm just stimulating. My song is by a new artist I
discovered on Instagram recently.
They are a duo called Esme Emerson and beautiful,
beautiful, stunning music. Their visuals are incredible.
So my song is Centipede. I love finding new music on
Instagram like. Yeah, it is.
You know, it's in this, it is. It is a useful tool for for
artists. Yeah, it's cool.
I love discovering new music and it's I feel like I sometimes
really struggle in finding new music.
And then when I find a new artist where I'm like, oh, like
a water baby, who I mentioned as my song of the week a couple
weeks ago for Memory Be a Blade, her album just came out or EP8
songs just came out. It's a beautiful album and I
don't see anyone talking about water, Maybe even though she has
a million monthly listeners on Spotify.
It's just. One song.
Sometimes it's just one song that can fuck with them.
Yeah, and well, they have one that has 94,000,000 plays, but
it's like it's with someone else.
Yeah, that is literally, I've got a friend who has a million
monthly listeners and is and is just featuring on a a song and
they get they get caught up in that thing.
Yeah, but Esme Emerson, really incredible duo.
Absolutely stunning. See how my song is Centipede?
Nice. Do you have a font of the week?
What was that? Was that Jared?
You just play real out loud? Are you watching porn, Jared?
Are you watching porn? While I was recording it, then I
was looking at Kell. I was Kell, our producer.
Jared was watching porn while we were recording an episode.
Hey Jared, we're not on public transit.
This isn't the time to start watching porn.
Everybody knows you watch porn on public transit.
Yes, is the best place. To watch it.
I I some people really seem to think that that I'm on the
train. Time for me to get a boner.
There are no rules. Yeah, Oh God, I I haven't been
doing anything like super fun or groundbreaking this week.
So I'm like at like, you know what, You know what my fun of
the week is going to be? Curls.
Curls Mt. Curls Mt Curls curls with AZ.
Wow, wow, the iconic curls Mt. Love her if you like had a deep
connection with curls Mt, but they're like everyone's like, Oh
my God, if you loved this is no curls, curls, curls that she's
she's that girl, she's that girl Devo all.
Right, I hold the microphone like a cigarette.
I think it could be fun. What?
If I held what if Jared? What if I held the microphone
like a cigar? What if I held my piece?
Off Jared, you're a big cigar guy.
What if I wouldn't you a? Cigar would be like a little
pinch though. You'd do a cigar pinch.
No, this is like a hand rolled cigarette.
Yeah, yeah. Hold it like this.
This cigarette holders that we used to have, I have two of
them. This was before they were bought
by Unilever, so. This I love the design of those
things fucking up and I love when on the website they they
take photos of them like pre crumpled as wrinkled.
It's so good. It's so good.
It's a little. It's like, do I like that the,
you know, over time they do like breakdown at the bottom and the
metal just splits open and then you have you squeeze to use some
lotion and then someone. Comes out the other end.
That's fine, whatever. Nothing matters anymore.
It's a cool brand. It's fine.
We'll put up on it. Hey, Kel, just put up with it
and take the check, all right? Just.
Yeah, OK, Take it on the chin. Take it on the freaking chin,
guys. Do we have a?
Kelliot said. So this.
Yes, we do. Do you want to see the good
ones? Well, I'm only on one monitor,
like a loser. All right, from Kerry Digital
came up with this while watching this week's Kelliot.
So vectors are from publicdomainvectors.org.
Yay this clown. Yeah, I'm loving this clown.
Loving this clown. I also have this $5 diva
downloaded as well. Love her that.
Font at the bottom. I forget what it's called but I
I think Boris. I'm pretty sure it's called
Boris. I love it.
It is an awesome font. Absolutely awesome font.
Yes, it's a free font by Julia Buggio.
I remember when this came out I lost my mind.
I love Boris. It's.
So good. Good to see it's still being
used. It's.
AI will never replace me because I am the personality hire.
It's true. Fantastic.
I'd like to see AI continuously
misspell something and then have to ask your Co host to spell
something out for you because you can't spell it.
I'd like to see AI do that. AI, Yeah.
Good luck AI. I'd like to see AI fall down
their stairs twice in one day. OK.
I'd love to see AI do 22 shows of a comedy show 22 yeah, you
know, there's a show I. Can't shadowbox.
No, no. There's a, there's a show in
this Comedy Festival called Artificially Intelligent.
Yeah, that's just the word artificially intelligent.
I guess I am. It sounds like.
It sounds like there's a, there's a pun in there.
It's not. It's officially intelligent.
I guess instead of intelligence it's intelligent and the bio is
like this comedian asked Chachi PT to write him a show.
It was not a good idea. And it's like, I think I said
that last week maybe, but I still think that's so it's So
what? Like what are we doing in 2026?
We're doing, we're doing a ChatGPT show, you know?
It's a bit, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I had a this is the last thing, then we'll go, but I spent my
past couple weekends going. This is going to sound insane.
I spent my past couple weekends going to the local indoor winter
percussion and winter guard shows that are in my area and
then I went to the championships.
Yeah, yeah. And it's kind of like out of
context, it's, it's very weird. But knowing you, it makes sense
because of your. History.
Yeah, And because of your history, your.
Yes, because of your. History your past because of the
action and I like so. Yeah.
Yeah, ever since the accident, I just keep going.
But I would like so deeply feared someone at one of these
events asking like what school I was with.
And I did not want to have to say I'm not with any school.
I just enjoy this. The love of the game.
I'm here for the love of the game.
I'm here. Earplugs in.
Wow, safety. Yeah, I did 4 years of indoor
percussion. My ears are shot OK, but I went
to the Winter Guard championships, which I also did
winter guard and I also did winter percussion, but I also
did percussion in the fall and marching band.
So I went to this, you know, show that's all day and the
groups have like 7 minutes for their performance and there was
this one show. There were a couple insane
themes. One of the themes was the BP oil
spill. That was the first one I saw and
I said crazy the BP oil. I don't think any of these kids
were even born when the BP oil spill happened.
The. Next one was the Gulf Wars.
Like, and so one of the other ones, there were some really
creative ones, really remarkable groups.
And one of the shows was I was scared in like the first third.
I was like, Oh no, Because the show was themed as asking
ChatGPT to write them an indoor winter percussion performance
and there was a voice over of that, and I was like.
Gimmick. The gimmick is odd.
And then it turned into as the show went on, the kids like were
unzipping their costumes like they were in like these like
grey like lab type outfits. And it was like, very.
They were like, very sad. And I just thought I was like,
well, they're kids. I don't expect them to, you
know, chin up, you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Warm and. They hate this idea too.
And yeah, I was like, this sucks, man.
I put these poor kids like, look at their fucking future dog.
And then, like, as the show went on, they were like unzipping
their costumes. And then it was all colorful.
And then, like, slowly more color started coming out.
And then it was the voice over was saying like, like
essentially asking like why they weren't listening right, that
they were like rebelling against.
Oh my God. The chat, it was a.
Protest. Oh my God, this.
Is so cute. How old is it at the end?
What? What?
They're in high school.
So they get it. That's cool.
Yeah, Oh, these are probably the.
Kids the most. Like, yeah.
And like at the end, there was a voice over that was probably one
of the kids that said it because it sounded like a very young
voice. And it was like the best prompt
is you. Wow, wow, what a beautiful
lesson to teach the kids instead.
Of being like this is how you. Know you got to use prompts?
That's so nice. I was like, we got the BP Royals
bill, we got the I was losing it.
I was my ass hurts so bad from sitting on these bleachers all
day and I was just like the kids are OK.
Yeah, that's gorgeous. That's good education.
It was, it was so cute and I just, I, I believe in, you know,
supporting like local, you know, schools because they, a lot of
schools don't have funding for like arts programs, band
programs, any sort of like performance programs.
Like I was very lucky to go to a very, you know, well funded high
school, But I also competed against schools that didn't have
all the windows in their gyms. Like they, they once had a
window. It was just air.
Now, some of them were like boarded up, but the other ones
just, there was just no glass, just an open air gymnasium
essentially. And like that was like a regular
type of thing that we were competing against.
So coming from a very nice school, I was like, Jesus
Christ. And then I went to these
performances because I was competing against schools in the
Bay Area. So you had like a lot of inner
City Schools and then like up here I was like, these are some
well funded band programs. Yeah.
God damn, like, like all Yamaha keyboards, like, holy shit.
I think really nice. Like, like marimbas can vary
from like 8 to 15 grand. Yeah, they're not cheap
instruments. And then they'll have like 20
keyboards and I'm like, where? What?
So. Anyway, the kids are OK.
It was really, it made me happy because I don't, I don't know
any kids in my life, but it was just really sweet to to know.
Like and now you get. You might meet some now.
Oh, I did not want any of them to talk to me.
Stick around afterwards. It was great job everyone.
I used to play actually and yeah yeah, if you need, I caught.
Myself a couple times because like you like during like guard
shows, like if there's a really good catch, if there's just a
really like good like snappy moment in the show, like you,
the audience like is responding to that where like people are
cheering, you know, and it's not like you sit there and wait
until the performance is over. It's like very lively during the
show and it's a really fun energy to feed off of.
And it's very different from a lot of other types of
performance art where it's like you stay very quiet until the
end and versus, I feel like more like in comedy, for example,
like you're interacting more. So you're really feeding off of
the energy. And it has a big effect on the
performers. And like, there were a couple
moments where like people would like, stand up and cheer after
something really good. And I was just sitting there
like clapping. And then there was one where I
felt myself start to get up and I was like, I'm 30, 30.
I don't know anyone here. I'm here alone.
They would have loved it. They would have loved it.
But it was just, it was, it was really cathartic to see kids
still loving or performing music in that way because a lot of
people, it's a very American thing.
And it's just, it makes me very happy to hear like like hearing
a drumline warming up in the distance.
It's like, it makes me like swing and kick my feet.
Like I just. It's.
So sweet. So it was just crazy to see a
Chad GBT theme show. I just, I never thought I would
say that. Or BP oil.
Spill theme show. Yeah, yeah.
The teacher leading it just being like we're going to change
the world of this fucking song. We're going to.
They got me. My eyes were tearing up.
I was like, the kids are OK, the kids are.
OK, That was like my Year 6 performance in primary school
where we did a show about climate change.
It was awesome. It was awesome.
This. Is going to get it.
Did a song about the steam engine.
It was so good. Never forget.
But yeah, let's shout out to all the theatre kids, all the music
kids out there in the. Future.
It's so important. Yeah, it's so important that we
do these things. If you are in high school and
for some reason you're watching this, please join your your
music program, your performance. Program Improv comedy.
Improv. Maybe don't do that.
Don't. Don't do improv.
Stay away from improv groups. Do improv comedy, it'll change
your life. You'll be able to public.
Space join your your stomp group join like any like drum major
group and I don't care what it is, please get in a performance
group, whatever it is, learn how to perform.
It's such an integral skill in a team format in a group format.
It is so good for you. Band kids can do anything.
I watch these kids move tons of equipment in record time.
It's crazy to me. Half of them are wearing tails
and they're moving large amounts of equipment.
OK, bad kids can do anything. It's amazing.
So anyway, that's all I have. We'll see you guys next week.
Thanks for listening everyone. A more audible Take care 1.
You can watch this. You can listen to this one as a
podcast. True A More Podcasting 1.
Yeah. Finally, a podcast you can
listen to when you drive. It's all I've ever wanted and I
didn't think I lost my voice, which I was worried about.
I feel like I can do a show tonight.
I'm happy. I push, I power you're.
Welcome, I sweat through my deodorant, so you didn't lose
your voice, unlike raise my heart rate.
But it's fine, you know? I really appreciate that,
appreciate that that's. What the kids were doing the
whole time 30. Love it.
Bye, guys. Bye guys, bye.
One of each. What if I held the What if I
held the microphone like a cigar in the recording?