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You found us. 
I'm so glad you did, but I'm 

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sorry that you had to. 
Who are we? 

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I'll tell you what we're not. 
We're not old, we're not boring,

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and we're not giving up. 
We're four mothers, all living 

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in Austin, introduced to each 
other because we all share a 

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similar tragedy. 
Our husbands died unexpectedly 

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and in the prime of their lives.
So come on into our widow's 

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circle where trauma meets humor 
and we remind you that you can 

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not only survive, but thrive. 
This is every widow thing. 

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We've never really addressed the
fact that you have a grave site 

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and the three of us have ashes 
in our closets. 

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Or, you know, mine is on the 
bookshelf because he is a 

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reader. 
We know some. 

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People talk about like, we had 
done everything financial 

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planning we had done. 
My husband wasn't religious. 

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But The funny thing is I made 
him go see the priest before we 

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ever got married. 
And we had, you know, we had all

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those things, all the boxes 
checked. 

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I thought everything's done. 
The only thing we did not do was

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talk about, like, what if you 
die? 

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Like, where would you be buried?
He's from Germany. 

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Right. 
And then so in my super, in my 

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stupor, my mom goes, it was kind
of weird to watch. 

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She said. 
You went into full blown event 

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planning mode like I did. 
I went and picked out the songs 

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and the priest was like, I've 
almost given me because he knew 

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me and he was like almost a 
little weirded out. 

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But it was, I mean, I planned 
the funeral on my. 

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Birthday. 
It was my birthday, so we were 

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going down all of that. 
So we went and looked at the 

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plots, the priest said. 
This is where everybody from 

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this area gets it's Austin 
Memorial, I think, or Austin 

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Cemetery, whatever it is, he 
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This is where most of our people
bury their oi went and I icked 

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it, but I remember looking 
outgoing. 

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OK, this is a pretty spot, but 
the thing I remember the most is

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the first time I went back after
we had the tombstone made and it

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was in half German and a half 
English because I thought that's

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at least a nod to where he's 
from. 

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Since I didn't even ask his 
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to be buried there. 
I didn't even think I was right.

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You're not. 
Didn't even think. 

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I mean, I mean, am I going to 
ship his body? 

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You're. 
Not going to get him back to 

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Germany. 
That just seemed crazy and they 

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were so cool about it. 
I mean, I did and I did all the 

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things at the funeral, like they
were all in German and English. 

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I had a German opera singer 
singing there. 

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I did the best I could to try to
bring in their world, yeah, 

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their culture. 
And did they? 

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Come. 
Were they here? 

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The sister and brother-in-law, 
yes, the father doesn't travel 

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so that's why we did a second 
funeral in Germany. 

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But I remember Ryder and I going
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finally the tombstone got in and
on the way there he had a 

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little, he had written a little 
something on a note and I saw it

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in his hand. 
I was thinking, oh, I wonder 

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what that is? 
And I just was bawling and we 

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were on the way out. 
I thought, I got to go look at 

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this thing and I couldn't find 
it. 

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I remember going up and down the
house, going where is it? 

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Where is it? 
I was panicked. 

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I thought, Oh my God, your 
husband's dead. 

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He's in the ground and you can't
even find him. 

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Those graveyards are very they 
all look alive. 

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I know they're they're not. 
It's not like street signs ever.

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And I haven't. 
Been back in years, I can't. 

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Well, that was going to be my 
next question. 

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Did did you utilize, because 
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people are are considering like 
well, if I have a grave site, am

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I going to actually go to that 
grave site? 

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Do do I want to do that or do I 
want to have this? 

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You know, people don't tell you 
you get a shit ton of ashes. 

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It is not. 
I mean, it's not like a 

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truckload, but I mean, it's a 
box. 

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It's a. 
Cheap box though. 

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It is. 
It's a cheap. 

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Box, it's a heavy and then the 
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They in the box, right? 
Yeah, it's a no. 

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I put the baggie in a box. 
Mine is a bag in the box. 

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Yeah, bought the bag, you bought
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It's actually a bag in a box and
a bag my. 

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Oh yes, in the velvet bag. 
It's like a bag in a box. 

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A bag in a. 
Bag in a bag, Yeah. 

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You didn't get it. 
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Didn't know you got a box my my 
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Apps it. 
Was like a Saturday Night Live 

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skit, the people. 
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weird area in like a shopping 
center that that has a, a, a big

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glass window that they've got 
red velvet curtains and you're 

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just like, is this the place? 
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was like two people that looked 
like characters from a Saturday 

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Night Live. 
Skit for actual home. 

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No. 
And then we go in and it's two 

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like cardboard tables or 
whatever. 

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Who was advising your family? 
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You end up with the cremation in
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I went. 
Up my. 

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Sweet, sweet friends Sharon and 
Ken were. 

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Really, Hunter? 
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like, I, I don't know, just. 
That sounds sketchy. 

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It was sketchy. 
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my friend Rob, he was a great 
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and we were like, is I could 
hear Hunter laughing like I, you

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know, in my brain I was like, 
this is a joke. 

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And then these awkward, awkward 
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Honestly, like maybe Pat, 
Remember Pat from? 

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Oh my gosh, yes. 
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know, Dieter or something, you 
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Anyway, whatever. 
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cardboard tables, hardboard. 
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or whatever, you know, I don't 
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something like a yeah. 
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a gift bag. 
He brought Hunter out in a gift 

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bag and you look in the gift bag
and it is a blasted. 

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Hunter had a fun bag. 
Of femur didn't. 

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It Oh yeah. 
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Of Rob and I were did. 
They doll the ribbon with the 

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scissors. 
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With tissue in it. 
There was a gift tag and it just

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serious love hunter. 
No, the gift bag was bad enough,

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but we were just sitting there 
going this is not even. 

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Our toy in there too. 
Yeah, right. 

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Not have to go to a Funeral Home
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No, I never went to a Funeral 
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He died in the hospital and they
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Yes. 
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He at the mall. 
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behind the mall. 
That declares not the velvet 

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down from the food court. 
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autopsy and stuff. 
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It's all a blur. 
It's all a blur. 

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But anyway. 
It is such a very We had a topic

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topic to I. 
Think that's a very different 

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it's interesting how like 
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did awake. 
We did it kind of like old 

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school because I really honestly
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who actually just told us what 
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Right. 
You do the wake at the Funeral 

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Home and then you do the we did 
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But the funniest thing, all the 
pictures that I have have to 

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work. 
It took me years to look at them

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because and I saw people there. 
I'm like, I don't even know 

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them. 
Who is that? 

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But they they had the pumpkin 
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Do you remember? 
That because it was October, it.

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Was October the. 
Oh my God, He. 

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Got he was buried October 23rd 
which is my best friend's 

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birthday and my I planned it on 
my birthday on the 16th. 

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We had to give two weeks notice 
because his family had to come 

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over from Germany and my sister 
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So they had to that expedite, 
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And then we got them here. 
But all of the pictures have 

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pumpkin. 
And here's Oliver's casket being

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wheeled out there. 
Pumpkins everywhere. 

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I thought this is kind. 
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so you might have thought you 
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does Ryder or. 
Well, you know, he's never asked

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at the very beginning. 
The only thing I remember that 

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happened that just and I, I 
keep, you know, I've told you, I

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keep notes. 
I've been for years, even before

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this, I've always like kept 
notes of life and stuff. 

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And on the way out there, I was 
sobbing. 

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And he said, mom, it's OK if you
find somebody else. 

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And it still makes me feel sick.
And I said, oh sweetie, you 

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know, and. 
And then give me some time. 

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I was just like, give me a 
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Don't even. 
Campbell, my youngest, did the 

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same thing when we were walking 
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died. 
He said something like, do you 

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think you're going to date or 
something weird? 

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And I was like, honey, I have, I
have no idea. 

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Kids are trying to fix it, you 
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Be happy. 
Feel better and they, you know, 

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it's a more simplistic view of 
mommy lost her person, so let's 

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get her another person. 
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So sure, of course. 
He said am I get going to get a 

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dad, another dad? 
And he was only 6, so he didn't 

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know how that worked. 
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because the person I was engaged
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But The funny thing, he said, if
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have a leave Brad, Brad, Brad. 
And he would say that and I'd 

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get so tickled because I was 
like, that's kind. 

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Of funny that is funny because 
he was. 

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Still pretty young. 
He was only in 4th grade, yeah. 

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He had a good. 
Sense and he had a you know, he 

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has a very dark sense of humor 
about it. 

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But I think that it made me feel
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I don't know if y'all felt that 
pressure, but I felt a little 

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pressure to. 
I wasn't ready today. 

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It took three years to even 
darken that door. 

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And then when I did, I was like,
I felt a little pressure to find

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him one. 
And then I was like, I can't do 

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that. 
I they have to be right for me 

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first. 
So I think maybe that's. 

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Because our kids were older, a 
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I don't know if I would, you 
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olds. 
Yeah, I definitely wanted. 

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It's funny, I went through these
phases where I immediately just 

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wanted to plug that hole to, you
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it for the kids, have that 
father figure. 

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But then over the years, I've 
just realized, you know, there 

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won't ever be anyone that is 
their dad. 

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And now it's too late. 
Not their dad. 

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They're all too old. 
So it's like you have to have 

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that mindset of this is, and I 
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what our family looks like now. 
Not every family, you know, when

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they're little it is. 
So mommy, daddy, sister, 

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brother, doggy, everything in 
school is I'm going to draw the 

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photo. 
I had one in preschool and you 

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know, I'm going to draw the 
family photo and who's in it and

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where's, you know, is Daddy in 
it? 

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Is Daddy not in it? 
Is Daddy over here kind of in 

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the sky somewhere? 
I mean, a lot of it came out in 

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the artwork for my youngest, 
which was pretty heartbreaking. 

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But I would just have to say 
this is our family now, and 

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there are a lot of families that
look different. 

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There's two dads. 
That's the thing, in a way. 

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Absolutely. 
That's been helpful. 

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I'm sure for kids going through 
this right now that there is no 

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normal family anymore. 
There's all different types and 

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we're. 
Still a family. 

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I mean, that's the bottom line. 
We're still a family. 

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We've lost someone. 
It looks a little different, but

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we're still. 
Helps to be still a family. 

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Is this a writer's school? 
Is so like writer. 

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I've even laughed at our school.
We felt like you almost have to 

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be really different in order to 
be accepted instead because 

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normal is not a thing, right? 
And so that helped me because I 

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was like, here I am a single 
parent going to another school, 

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but Magellan I didn't feel 
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Saint Stephen's I never felt 
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The people are very. 
There's so much alternative 

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lifestyle at. 
One point, Aslan, my oldest, her

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best girlfriend, has two moms 
and then she was dating a boy 

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with two moms. 
And so they would get together 

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on Father's Day and like, go to 
the lake and have a picnic or 

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just they'd hang out and be 
like, none of us really have 

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fathers. 
So we're just. 

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Yeah, that's great. 
Bonding and that was, I know 

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that was really great for her 
and they would kind of giggle 

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about it. 
We touched on a lot of 

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interesting tidbits that 
hopefully you guys will find 

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helpful, entertaining, 
interesting, and that you'll 

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come back for more. 
We encourage you to go to that 

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Instagram page, follow us, 
listen to the podcast, put in a 

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comment, review us and and 
share. 

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Share a note, Share it with your
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They don't have to be widowed, 
but there might be people out 

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there who've just gone through 
loss or life changes that can 

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identify with. 
Definitely some of the. 

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Issues were. 
We're we're widows, but really 

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this podcast is about grief. 
And yes. 

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And, and that is something that 
every single person is going to 

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have to deal with at some point 
in their life. 

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So we're great for everyone, 
every widow thing.