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All right, One of the things I 
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Christians aren't going to make 
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the difference between faith and
unbelief. 

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If you have unbelief and faith 
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you just get a muddled form of 
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What about? 
This idea of Jesus Christopher, 

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you don't buy it at all, I take 
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Well, I don't think he was the 
son of God. 

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He don't, no, I don't think his 
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I don't think his mother was a 
virgin and I don't think he died

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and was resurrected. 
But it's also something that can

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humble you if you think about it
correctly. 

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It it makes you. 
It helps put everything in 

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perspective. 
Good morning. 

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How are we doing today? 
Man, it's good to see you. 

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Happy Memorial Day weekend. 
I think, I think we can say that

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we get to celebrate a lot of 
stuff because of a lot of people

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who sacrificed. 
And many of you have family 

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history of people who have done 
that and given the greatest 

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sacrifice for our country. 
And so that we can actually open

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this Bible and not have an 
edited version of it and not 

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have to argue about whether or 
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someone sitting outside saying 
no too far. 

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Can't talk about that. 
And that's one of the freedoms 

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we get to. 
So beyond your cookout that 

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you're going to have probably 
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that's actually about, you know,
the the freedom to discuss 

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stuff, to disagree. 
I can disagree with my 

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government and not fear that 
they're going to come and show 

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up in my house and kill me. 
Amen. 

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And that's, that's a good thing.
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freedoms we get to celebrate on 
the subject of apologetics, when

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we talk about being able to not 
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you have, but the ability to 
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And that's really what our 
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several weeks called liar, 
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And I'll just be blunt. 
I wanted to outsource this 

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I did not want to do it. 

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And God, I think really wanted 
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So I'm I'm going to do my best. 
This makes me nervous what we're

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going to talk about today. 
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to the God and where we're at, 
you kind of know where we're at.

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It's that Sunday and it fell on 
Memorial Day week in which may 

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be the grace of God. 
I don't know, because you know, 

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you're all you're all the people
who couldn't go to Pismo and 

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we're really glad you're here 
anyway. 

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But I'll I'll be blunt. 
This is personal. 

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I've been nervous all week and 
prayerful and and tactical in my

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study. 
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areas where we've got to be very
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very clear and getting it right.
And so I've read everything you 

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can find articles for what we're
talking about, the art, the 

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arguments against that being the
wrong view of what we're talking

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about in the word. 
Done everything I could to 

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study. 
I probably put in about 27 hours

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into this message this week, 
which is pretty abnormal. 

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It's about 12 to 15 more than 
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average week of study and prep 
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But I really wanted to read 
everything I could and study 

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everything I could. 
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tone in which this entire 
conversation has been housed 

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while we're doing this series 
comes out of first Peter chapter

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3, verse 15. 
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get some more house lights so 
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so I can see them? 
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like you're just in a dark room.
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I want to see if you're gnashing
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I'd love to actually be able to 
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Peter 315 In your hearts, honour
Christ the Lord is holy. 

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Always being prepared to make a 
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for a reason, for the hope that 
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Yet do this with gentleness and 
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So two things, we are to give 
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and we are to be respectful and 
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articulate that. 
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message, I hope if you feel any 
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moments where I'm talking about 
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gracious tones are in the 
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those who may not consider 
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Christianity and the LGBTQ 
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personal in that we have family 
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love and care for and would 
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that are in this room, who are 
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incredible contributors to our 
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this community. 
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issue coming up. 
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what I'm not doing today is 
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or lack of goodness within a 
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This is not a debate of good or 
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Are they good or are they bad 
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That, that is not the debate 
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In fact, I would submit to you 
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relationships with people from 
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better than any of us ever 
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human beings and philanthropists
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OK, Like way better, way better.
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What we are trying to discern is
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teach and say, which is actually
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attack. 
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around trying to essentially get
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what has been the traditional 
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I acknowledge that it is an 
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But today, what I want to 
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conversation as best as we can. 
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week I've been extremely 
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in my study to prayerfully 
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And this is probably going to be
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done in the series so far, 
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you how to have gracious and 
kind conversations about what 

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the Bible teaches and doesn't 
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church has made that I think 
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landscape that we're in. 
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common disagreements or 
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traditional held view in most 
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around the world when it comes 
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Bible and what they mean within 
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And SO2 parts, trying to spend 
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first part, bulk of our time on 
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of the defenses that are there. 
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All right? 
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go into the extreme. 
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seen within the church that have
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helped with the problems, number
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mistakes. 
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extremes, extreme stances the 
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public. 
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here because the church is often
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minimize what the Bible does say
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deal with its tension that it 
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the conversation. 
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peacekeeping without without 
considering seriously the 

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warnings of the Bible teaching 
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them to be recorded in 
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important enough for them to be 
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have to work through and talk 
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ethic issues in public is the 
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of it is we either been silent 
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and boisterous. 
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noisemakers who with no 
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compassion, no desire to 
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and reason through them. 
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in a helpful way or point others
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Carelessly stand up and create 
divisiveness that is not derived

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from the Bible or Jesus, but out
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over actually making a 
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people that are completely 
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that are extremely loud. 
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loud all of a sudden represents 
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Christian faith. 
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happen. 
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fights for the truth of the 
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Savior called us to carry the 
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This is something we must get 
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in all of these issues that we 
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that is looking for truth. 
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dealt in that has not helped the
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SO1 extreme is how we talk about
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That's silence and arrogance. 
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engaged people in relationship 
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the 2 extremes of affirmation or
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wrong or you have no community 
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alienate them and isolate them. 
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opportunity for a relationship, 
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conversations to actually take 
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So the affirmation side, 
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do is they choose to minimize 
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revision it or ignore it in 
order to affirm something that 

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we are sure based off a feeling 
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Jesus himself would affirm. 
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well, it's a different culture 
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didn't exist back in Jesus time,
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sudden this is a 20th century 
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When in actuality, the struggles
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always had are the desires we 
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imprinted throughout 
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throughout the years. 
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The other side is alienation. 
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LGBTQ community because of a 
truth that we proclaim with no 

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compassion or desire to actually
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hurts, struggles, and pains that
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bear. 
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proclaiming the truth with no 
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the Holy Spirit's work in it to 
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reconciliation. 
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that the church has erred in. 
Arrogance and alienation and 

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silence. 
Or, excuse me, affirmation, 

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alienation and silence and 
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Both wrong ways of addressing 
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Which then brings me to the 
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And this is a human problem. 
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acknowledge it within the 
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hypocrisy. 
Consistent hypocrisy to point 

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out other sins and not our own, 
to not repent, to make it 

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abnormal, to repent, to make it 
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sin, to put on what we call 
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face and that like everything is
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our devotion to God. 
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Chapter 7 versus 3 to 5 Jesus 
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Why do you see the spec that is 
in your brothers eye but do not 

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sit notice the log that is in 
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Or how can you say to your 
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out of your own eye when there 
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Let me be very clear about this.
Any time that we've in recent 

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moral failure, the first thing 
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leaders is I get them in the 
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before we say anything is 
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Repent like we're seeing their 
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let's put it out there publicly.
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that we ourselves are sinners in
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And in that way we can portray 
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in the presence of God at fault 
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imperfect and still walking 
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confront someone else. 
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like Amen. 
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leave me alone. 
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is, you hypocrite, first take 
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then you will see clearly to 
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There is an accountability that 
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professing to be a follower of 
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calling it sin or ignoring it or
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obligation to check myself and 
to put a mirror up through the 

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Scripture and look into my own 
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And then through doing that, 
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of Scripture and the presence of
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lovingly confront you in your 
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And this is a practice that does
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You would rather them die. 
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difficult conversation with many
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Well, this just do what you 
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Do what you think is right. 
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spoken on the issues. 
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that is risen in the church 
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while minimizing ours, which all
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clinging gongs according to 
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the scriptures call us before 
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scriptures that we first 
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So let me be very clear about 
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Jesus befriends sinners. 
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Jesus has compassion on sinners.
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Jesus loves sinners. 
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Every single one of us are 
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That's Romans 323 And within all
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So here's the tension. 
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but in relationship with him, he
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walking in something that's 
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that's an actual desire of your 
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confrontation. 
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something greater and it's not a
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is derived from your own power. 
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indwelling of the Holy Spirit. 
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that raised Jesus from the dead 
that fills us that then empowers

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us to walk out what Christ has 
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Now let me be very clear. 
I am shocked at how simple I am 

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and still filled with the Holy 
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It is shocking to me how passive
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and be filled with the Holy 
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So let me be very clear to you, 
I'm not saying that the power of

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the Holy Spirit means snap. 
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is taken care of. 
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What I am saying is that Jesus 
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does not lead you inadequately 
under sourced or underpowered to

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take on that journey. 
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mistakes, there will be simple 
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The Bible doesn't promise that 
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pray of you, all of a sudden 
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desires go away. 
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but I am filled with the 
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empowered and called me, though 
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contrary to my first nature, the
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calls me to this new creation to
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called me, to be laid out by the
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Holy Spirit. 
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common objections when it comes 
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up. 
If you say you're Christian and 

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someone's looking to make a 
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has been created by us and we've
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Four questions that come up. 
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through how we answer these 
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grace. 
Number one, one of the first 

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objections to the Bible's 
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which is that the Bible teaches 
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sexual, that the practice of any
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heterosexual marriage between 
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Let me be clear. 
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of sexual arousal or any kind of
sexual interaction with someone 

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who is not your spouse, one man,
one wife, laid out in Genesis 

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chapter 2 that that is sent so 
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We can go back to every single 
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know that though you were white,
there was a different story that

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could have been told. 
OK, got got quiet on there. 

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OK, here's some of the 
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Number one, people will say, 
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Scripture addressing this issue,
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issue directly, so why are you 
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something that's infrequently 
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or Jesus never directly talked 
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A couple things there. 
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someone say that Scripture 
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it usually goes something like 
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Well, it's only written in the 
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So let me be very clear. 
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apologetic with it's only 
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the blank. 
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red flag. 
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scripture, whether it's 
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given to us as authoritative and
is to hold with us a clearview 

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of who God is that's revealed to
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So to dismiss or overlook a 
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basis of its frequency and it's 
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lack thereof is absolutely a 
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We're already trying to revision
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We're already trying to go, 
well, he mentioned money this 

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So if he only mentioned sexual 
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money this many times, I'm going
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and we'll just leave this one 
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comes back. 
It's not how it works. 

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It's not how it works. 
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described are called by a lot in
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verses the verses that people 
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Because we've not been surgical,
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the way that we've taught and 
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them, it mentions a plethora of 
sexual sins beyond same sex 

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attraction in the text that we 
conveniently ignore and continue

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to be promiscuous in our own 
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gives you no footing our 
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with people when you're 
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that you're hiding in your own 
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What about Jesus? 
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homosexuality when he's here. 
He doesn't talk about it, 

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doesn't call out to be a sin. 
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Let me answer that a couple ways
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ethics, and in doing so, He 
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look at it, Jesus says this. 
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Have you not read that He who 
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made them male and female? 
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from? 
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Where? 
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OK continue with me or how can 
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excuse me not there verse 5 and 
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his father and and his mother 
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the two shall become where does 
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What is Jesus affirming? 
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design of sex. 
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shared within the constraints of
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Now, immediately. 
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the room whenever we talk about 
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Why? 
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and argued against over and over
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Well, Jesus never addresses it 
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You can't dismiss it. 
I understand. 

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Listen to me, this is personal 
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I have friends that I love 
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deeply, and we have these 
conversations, but I do them no 

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disservice by trying to PC or 
politically correct Jesus and 

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give them some sort of pseudo 
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gently walk through. 
I understand this is your desire

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and understand that you believe 
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means it's not a big deal. 
But he actually did and that's a

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lie that you read. 
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marriage and in doing so he 
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and practices. 
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2IN doing so he affirms the Old 
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design of human sexuality within
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one man and one woman. 
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response of well, the Scripture 
doesn't address this a lot or 

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Jesus never addresses the issue 
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The second thing I like to say 
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the Godhead. 
So even if you don't want to 

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come with me to agreement that 
Matthew 19 is Jesus addressing 

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sexual ethics, you can't 
separate Jesus from the things 

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that He said in the Gospels and 
the things that are taught in 

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the rest of Scripture. 
To do so is to make an argument 

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that somehow Jesus was in 
disagreement with the Father 

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about what was taught in the Old
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what was written after his 
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Testament. 
There's perfect harmony here 

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between Father, Son, and Spirit.
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Testament was being written, 
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Jesus was there and active. 
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Corinthians or any of the other 
books that we read, that it's 

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not outside of the knowledge and
authority of Jesus that the 

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Bible was written. 
It was within the authority of 

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the trial and God that we get 
the scriptures that we have. 

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So to make this argument that 
somehow by Jesus, not implicitly

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without you having to work 
through Matthew 19 implicitly 

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just writing it out for us, 
meaning that it's somehow OK, 

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It's basically saying that Jesus
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that of the rest of the Trinity,
which folds the entire Christian

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faith in on his head. 
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this argument in response to 
those that bring this up is 

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this. 
The Bible is a book of many 

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books, but of 1 main story. 
The Bible is a book of many 

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books but of 1 main story. 
So you cannot isolate the 

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teachings of Jesus from the 
teachings of the Old Testament 

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or the apostles of the New 
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Because it is through the Old 
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gospel in the presence of Jesus 
walking in history and in time 

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in the New Testament. 
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resurrection and ascension that 
we then get the early works of 

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the church and the writings that
lead us all the way up to 

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Revelation, which is the return 
of Christ when he comes back to 

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set everything that is broken 
right once again. 

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So these are arguments that 
though they may sound good on 

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the surface, you as a follower 
of Jesus should be able to 

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gently and kindly be able to ask
to answer and respond. 

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Yes, Jesus addresses this. 
Yes, it is a big deal. 

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And no, it being mentioned only 
6 times does not minimize its 

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authority over our life as a 
call for us to actually follow. 

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Do you know why that argument 
has so many, so much teeth? 

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Because in all the other things 
that are mentioned over and over

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again in scripture, many of us 
in the church don't have heard 

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them and we don't practice them.
So like, it talks more about 

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money. 
What are you doing with your 

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money? 
I mean, nice car, nice shot, 

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nice RV. 
Good to see that you're being 

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charitable to the poor. 
So all of a sudden your 

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malpractice becomes their reason
for their continued malpractice.

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I'm telling you that the only 
path forward with any kind of 

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voice, with any kind of reason 
in this conversation is going to

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be your genuine devotion to God 
and your genuine repentance 

455
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,400
before him. 
Because if we can't get, if we 

456
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,040
can't normalize repentance here,
then we cannot expect it to ever

457
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,880
become, to ever see revival out 
there, to ever see people who 

458
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,720
are far from God coming in to a 
Savior who can receive us with 

459
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:25,680
all of our. 
The second big argument that 

460
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,520
comes up usually deals with 
Romans 1. 

461
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,560
Romans 1 is one of those 6 
verses. 

462
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,600
I want to read it for you. 
But in Romans 1 verses 24 to 32,

463
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,520
Paul writes this. 
Therefore God gave them up up in

464
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,120
the lust of their hearts to 
impurity, to the dishonouring of

465
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:45,240
their bodies among themselves, 
because they exchanged the truth

466
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,480
of God for a lie, and worshipped
and served the creature rather 

467
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,520
than the Creator, who is blessed
forever. 

468
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,120
Amen. 
For this reason, God gave them 

469
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,000
up to dishonorable passions for 
their women exchange natural 

470
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,640
relations for those that are 
contrary in nature. 

471
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,440
And the men likewise give up 
natural relations with women and

472
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,000
will consume a passion for one 
another. 

473
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,920
Men committing shameless acts 
with men and receiving in 

474
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,720
themselves the due penalty for 
their error. 

475
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,280
And since they did not see it 
fit to acknowledge God, God gave

476
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,320
them up to a debase mind to do 
what ought not be done. 

477
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,040
He allowed them not to feel or 
experience conviction anymore. 

478
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,960
Perhaps this is one of the 
graces of God. 

479
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:23,120
And the common grace that we 
experience is that God at times,

480
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:25,800
whenever you refuse to 
acknowledge sin, a sin will give

481
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,960
you over to that sin so that you
live in it without any kind of 

482
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,760
conviction that wells up inside 
of you or cause you to anything 

483
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,800
greater that the Bible would 
call greater through you. 

484
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,200
And so you end up just ignoring 
it and living your entire life 

485
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,000
blind to what God's actually 
called you to. 

486
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,480
Verse 20. 
They were filled with all manner

487
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,760
of unrighteousness, evil, 
covetousness, malice. 

488
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,800
They are full of envy, murder, 
strife, deceit, maliciousness. 

489
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,320
They are gossip, slanders, 
haters of God, insolent, 

490
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,080
haughty, boastful, inventors of 
evil, disobedient to parents, 

491
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,920
foolish, faithless, heartless, 
ruthless. 

492
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,640
Though they know God's righteous
decree that those who practice 

493
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,480
such things deserve to die, they
not only do them, but give 

494
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,840
approval to those who practice. 
And let me be very clear about 

495
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,760
the context of Romans 1. 
Romans 1 is a big mirror that 

496
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,200
catches everybody who is not 
Jesus in a moral conundrum. 

497
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,240
So if you look at Romans 1 and 
you take that excerpt and that's

498
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,120
all you read and that's all you 
walk away with, you come out 

499
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,920
arrogant but not holy. 
Paul's entire thesis from Romans

500
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,960
1/2 is to get us to Romans 323. 
Romans 1 and 2 is to say no 

501
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,880
matter what your ethnic 
background is and no matter what

502
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,400
your sin desire is, you are all 
at the end of the day sinners in

503
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,720
need of a Savior. 
Romans 323 for all of sin and 

504
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,000
fall short of the glory of God. 
Can we Amen that Amen. 

505
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,080
So we're all on the equal 
playing field by the end of 

506
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,960
Romans 323. 
That is context within that. 

507
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,760
Now, here's some of the things 
that people try to do with 

508
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,760
Romans One, to try and revision 
it. 

509
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,520
And this is happening today in 
many churches. 

510
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,160
Number one, I've heard this 
argument, read it in a book. 

511
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,160
Paul is not addressing, and this
is the argument. 

512
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,920
Paul is not addressing 
monogamous homosexual practice, 

513
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,040
but pederasty. 
What Paul is doing, it's the 

514
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,000
argument he's not addressing 
like one man and one man being 

515
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,680
married and living faithfully 
with each other and enjoying 

516
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,800
that relationship and serving 
God together. 

517
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,360
That's not what God is or what 
Paul and God ultimately through 

518
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,520
Paul is addressing. 
Instead, he's addressing 

519
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,600
something called pederasty. 
And I've seen this argument and 

520
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,560
here's what pederasty was. 
It's very gross, but essentially

521
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,840
pederasty within the Roman 
culture was where a young 11 or 

522
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,240
12 year old boy will be paired 
with an adult male to learn 

523
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,280
about what it means to be a man 
in Roman society and that man 

524
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,720
would then take advantage. 
This is pedophilia of that child

525
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,200
and would rape that child over 
and over again. 

526
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,680
Now the art. 
This is absolutely condemnable 

527
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,480
and disgusting and we can all 
agree to that. 

528
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,200
Correct, But this is not what 
Paul is actually mentioning in 

529
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,040
the text off of 2 clear context 
clues #1 he doesn't just mention

530
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,960
men but he also mentions women 
in pederasti was only practice 

531
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,880
in between men and boys. 
It was not practice women to 

532
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,360
women culturally. 
So to say that he's addressing 

533
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:15,200
that issue is malpractice of the
text because you're not seeing 

534
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,520
that he also addresses it on 
either side of same sex 

535
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,040
attraction. 
The second problem here, and 

536
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,520
this is a big revisionist 
movement that's going on is they

537
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,520
try to say, well, that's what he
was addressing when he's talking

538
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,240
about men and boys, but the word
in Greek is men to men. 

539
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,960
Two consulting, consenting 
adults who join into this 

540
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,600
because of the desires that they
have for each other. 

541
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,920
So clearly put this as blunt as 
I can be. 

542
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,280
It's just not there in the text.
The, the, the out to give some 

543
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,080
kind of out or to make some kind
of it's not there in Romans. 

544
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,680
One, you don't have to like it. 
It doesn't matter what we 

545
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,480
necessarily think as far as 
opinions of it. 

546
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,920
It's, it's just not there. 
I've studied it, I've read 

547
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,880
everything I can read about it. 
I've read it in Greek, I've read

548
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,960
it in English. 
I read across multiple English 

549
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,280
translate. 
You cannot get around what it's 

550
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,920
saying. 
The second big argument, and 

551
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,480
this is even a bigger stretch I 
think with Romans 1 is some will

552
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,000
argue that Paul was trying to 
directly call out an individual 

553
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,000
and not call out others, that 
this is really in context just 

554
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,400
Paul calling out one person. 
The problem is Romans 1 is a 

555
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,800
mirror for all people and in 
other areas you have no 

556
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,920
precedent where Paul is calling 
someone out where he doesn't 

557
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,720
mention them by name. 
For instance, when Paul calls 

558
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,320
out Peter in Galatians 2 chapter
2 verses 11 to 13, guess what he

559
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:50,120
writes in Galatians 211 to 13? 
Peter, like Paul wasn't very 

560
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,720
southern. 
He wasn't passive. 

561
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,240
He wasn't in the bless your 
heart cultural of going well, 

562
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,000
you know, like I, I want to call
this out, but I don't want to 

563
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,120
call them out by like, that's 
not what happened. 

564
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,640
The Bible. 
In the Bible, when they call 

565
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,600
someone out, they wrote it in 
the letter. 

566
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,720
So in order for you to make that
argument, Paul would have to 

567
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,800
break from his entire writing 
style that we have samples of 

568
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,760
over the rest of the New 
Testament #1 and, and the 

569
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,360
argument usually is something 
like this. 

570
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,200
It's usually, well, what Paul 
was actually talking about was 

571
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,680
an emperor named Gaius Caligula 
who reigned 4 years, who did, 

572
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,200
who is known for explicit sexual
misconduct. 

573
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,520
And Paul is saying that this is 
who he's. 

574
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,320
And some are saying this is who 
Paul is calling out, that he's 

575
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,640
not calling out other people. 
The problem is there's no 

576
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,440
precedent for in the scripture, 
and the argument just falls in 

577
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,320
on its head. 
It takes more fate to jump there

578
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,280
than it does to read the 
Scripture and understand it at 

579
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,080
face value. 
So you have Romans one. 

580
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,640
It's one of the big objections 
to the traditional view, and 

581
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,880
it's one that we need to be able
to defend humbly and graciously.

582
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,120
The third big objection that 
comes up frequently is this. 

583
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,320
I call it The Beatles theology. 
It's if two people are in love, 

584
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:04,440
then shouldn't we let it be? 
All right, just let it be now, 

585
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,040
stepping out of the what we're 
talking about at the moment, 

586
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,040
right and same sex attraction, 
let me first just let me tell 

587
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,360
you why I don't believe in let 
it be philosophy on just about 

588
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,760
anything that comes from a 
human's mouth. 

589
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,680
How many of you trust when your 
middle schooler comes home and 

590
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,720
tells you that they're in love, 
that this is going to last? 

591
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,600
But they'll tell you up and 
down, I'm in love with them. 

592
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,960
This is this is it, you know, 
forever. 

593
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,560
And they're up there in the room
writing down, you know, J Rod 

594
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,160
and Bon qui qui forever, like 
over and over again, right? 

595
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,760
Because you know that within a 
few days of school drama, that 

596
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,960
relationship will go from 
forever to tomorrow. 

597
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,040
Now, let me be very clear to 
you. 

598
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,040
There are many people who come 
into my office wanting to get 

599
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,880
married and I'll look at them 
the same way that you look at 

600
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,200
middle schoolers and high 
schoolers. 

601
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,200
Why? 
Because I've been around you 

602
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,720
long enough to learn that you're
going to stand up here at this 

603
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,040
altar on your wedding day and 
you're going to start going, 

604
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,880
man, I love you more than the 
moon and the stars and money 

605
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,600
and, and it doesn't matter what 
happens, girl, even if you get 

606
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,000
chunky, I'm going to love you 
forever. 

607
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,840
My love for you is unbreakable. 
It's unshakeable. 

608
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,840
It's unlike any other love in 
human history. 3 weeks later, 

609
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,920
you're in my office and you're 
like, I don't, I don't love her.

610
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,080
I think I made a really big 
mistake. 

611
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,040
So forgive me if I'm a little 
cynical whenever you tell me 

612
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,800
that your desire is unshakeable 
because I've seen human desires.

613
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,280
This is a human problem. 
Shake left and right and up and 

614
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,880
down all over the place #2 
within this argument, let me be 

615
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,800
very clear. 
Many people will then recite an 

616
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,400
argument or defense of this for 
Matthew chapter 22, verses 36 to

617
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,760
40. 
And it's this teacher which is 

618
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,040
the greatest commandment in the 
law. 

619
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,680
And he said to him, you shall 
love the Lord your God with all 

620
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,280
your heart, with all your mind. 
Excuse me? 

621
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,600
With all your heart and with all
your soul and with all your 

622
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,800
mind. 
This is the greatest and 1st 

623
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,120
commandment. 
A second is like it you shall 

624
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:09,400
love your neighbor as yourself. 
On these two commandments depend

625
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,840
the law and the prophets. 
So people be like Jesus just 

626
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,680
said love. 
People just got to be loving. 

627
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,400
It's a very interesting argument
and what many people think is 

628
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,760
that somehow the commandments or
the Old Testament law gets 

629
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,720
dismissed in the statement Jesus
made. 

630
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,280
But what he actually does is he 
sums up the entire 10 

631
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,600
commandments in 2 verses or in a
verse 2 statements. 

632
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,880
Vertically love the Lord your 
God deals with commandments 1 to

633
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,720
4. 
You shall love. 

634
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,440
No, you should have no other 
gods before me. 

635
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,720
You shall make no idols. 
You shall not take the name of 

636
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,160
the Lord in vain and keep the 
Sabbath day and make it holy. 

637
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,440
That's the vertical commandment.
So what is what is Jesus 

638
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,400
essentially saying? 
Well, what's most important is 

639
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,080
commandments one through 4 and 
then right on the heels of that 

640
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,920
five through 10, because five 
through 10 deal with 

641
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,200
horizontally you loving your 
neighbor. 

642
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,760
What's 5? 
Honor your father and mother. 

643
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,600
That's the moment every single 
one of us realized we were 

644
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:09,320
sinners. 
You shall not murder. 

645
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,719
You should not commit adultery. 
You should not steal. 

646
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,840
You should not bear false 
witness against your neighbor. 

647
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,440
You should not covet. 
Now how does this relate to same

648
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,320
sex attraction and being loving?
It relates because though you 

649
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,760
may have a desire or I have a 
desire, it doesn't excuse it 

650
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,199
from the ethical law that God 
has given us. 

651
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,719
You can't revision it, rewrite 
it, or write it outside of it. 

652
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,360
You can't get around that. 
What's So the question we have 

653
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,199
to ask yourself is this is can 
Jesus be loving and disagree 

654
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:49,600
with me? 
Can Jesus be loving and call 

655
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:56,199
what I desire sinful? 
These are hard questions because

656
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,480
you're trying what the key is. 
The key in the entire argument 

657
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,560
in the discussion is you have to
separate Jesus from the ethics 

658
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,360
of the Bible in order for any of
this to be able to stand. 

659
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,760
Or you have to deal with the 
fact that Jesus love is the kind

660
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,800
of love that sees you in your 
desires that the Bible calls sin

661
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,640
and still comes and dodged for 
you anyway. 

662
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:24,400
You have to deal with the fact 
that Jesus love sees you in your

663
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,160
faults and still chooses to 
invite you into community with 

664
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,800
Him, sees you in your 
imperfections and still invites 

665
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,920
you to follow Him, sees you in 
your doubt and still commissions

666
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,600
you. 
Though you are a hypocrite and 

667
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,120
you were someone who falls short
daily to, they'll still be 

668
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,560
empowered by the Holy Spirit to 
go into the nations and proclaim

669
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,600
the gospel that is outside of 
us. 

670
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,480
And it's good news for all of 
us. 

671
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,280
So if two people are in love, 
then shouldn't we just let it B.

672
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,120
Well, the the problem is, is the
scripture will call us in love 

673
00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:01,040
to teach the Bible. 
And that's problematic for some 

674
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,920
of us that want to revision this
and separate Jesus from its 

675
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,280
ethics. 
The final objection is one of 

676
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,760
the biggest ones that has a lot 
of credence on college campuses 

677
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,920
right now. 
It was made famous in an episode

678
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,200
of The West Wing. 
Anybody ever seen The West Wing?

679
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,560
And it's essentially this 
question of why do you pick and 

680
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,720
choose? 
Essentially, it's well, you're 

681
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,640
going to highlight that part of 
the Bible and bring it up to 

682
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,600
come after me, but you then 
ignore that part of the Bible or

683
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,280
you don't adhere to that part of
the Bible. 

684
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,800
So if you're going to ignore 
that part of the Bible, but 

685
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,320
you're not going to know this 
part of the Bible, like why do 

686
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,680
you pick and choose? 
Basically, it's a how did, how 

687
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,280
dare you sit on a moral high 
horse and that like you can tell

688
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:50,440
me what's right and wrong. 
And this argument since first 

689
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,960
year freshman in college, 
stuttering and stammering back. 

690
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,880
And it all started at the end 
this episode of The West Wing. 

691
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,520
And it's an episode where the 
president walks in and there's 

692
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,760
this conservative reporter who's
known for making conservative 

693
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,720
thoughts and ideas and very 
terrible ways on an 

694
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,720
argumentative and unhelpful ways
on radio walks in. 

695
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,880
Everyone stands up, but they 
make sure that she, this 

696
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,400
character is sitting down. 
She idly enough has a southern 

697
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:21,080
accent. 
I was offended at that, right? 

698
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,480
So she stays seated. 
The president comes in and 

699
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,360
recognizes her, ask her her 
name. 

700
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,760
They have an interaction. 
He asked her if he she believes 

701
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,120
that homosexuality is a sin. 
She quotes Leviticus 18. 

702
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:38,800
And then the president goes off 
on this rent. 

703
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,800
I want to ask you a couple of 
questions while I had you here. 

704
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,760
I'm interested in selling my 
youngest daughter into slavery. 

705
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,880
A sanction in Exodus 21 Seven. 
She's a Georgetown sophomore. 

706
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,920
She speaks fluent Italian. 
Always clear the table when it 

707
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,400
was her turn will be a good 
price for her. 

708
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,560
While thinking about that, can I
ask another, my chief of staff, 

709
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,040
Leo McGarry insist on working on
the Sabbath? 

710
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,480
Exodus 35 two. 
Clearly it says we he should be 

711
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,200
put to death. 
Am I morally obligated to kill 

712
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,680
him myself or is it OK to call 
the police? 

713
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,400
Here's one that's really 
important because we've got a 

714
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,600
lot of sports fans in this town.
Touching the skin of a dead pig 

715
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,520
makes 1 unclean Leviticus 11/7. 
If they promised to wear gloves.

716
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,520
Can the Washington Redskins 
still play football? 

717
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,160
Can Notre Dame? 
Can West Point? 

718
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,400
Does the whole town really have 
to be together to stole my 

719
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,360
brother John for planting 
different crops side by side? 

720
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,840
Can I burn my mother in a small 
family gathering for wearing 

721
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,640
garments made of two different 
threads? 

722
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,440
Think about those questions, 
would you? 

723
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:47,000
And immediately this gave ammo 
for the LGBTQ community to come 

724
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,120
back and fire in an answer in a 
way that most Christians, 

725
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,800
literally, you hear you have 
that come up to a especially a 

726
00:38:52,800 --> 00:39:02,360
freshman on a college campus. 
Usually the answer is so yeah, 

727
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,320
yeah. 
And I don't really know how to 

728
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:12,200
answer that question now. 
Let me walk you through how you 

729
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,000
can graciously answer this 
question. 

730
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,240
This comes out of Leviticus 
1822. 

731
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,120
That's what's highlighted. 
Why do you pick and choose? 

732
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,080
That's where we see if you'll 
flip there with me. 

733
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:29,840
Let me flip there really quick. 
Genesis X is Leviticus Numbers. 

734
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:35,720
There we go, the Vicus 1822. 
This is one of the six that were

735
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:37,640
originally talked about. 
They're known as the club 

736
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,640
reverses because we've been 
careless in the way that we've 

737
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,280
taught them. 
And honestly, sometimes they've 

738
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,120
been taught well and they're 
still not received because 

739
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,600
sometimes it doesn't matter what
you do when it comes to speaking

740
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,440
the truth. 
When we're confronted with the 

741
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,240
Word of God, we either repent or
rerun. 

742
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,040
That's human nature, every 
single one of us. 

743
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,880
When I'm confronted with the 
Word of God, I repent or I run. 

744
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,160
It's one of the two. 
Leviticus 1822 it says this. 

745
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,560
You shall not lie with a male as
with a woman. 

746
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,440
It is an abomination. 
So that's the quote, that's the 

747
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,040
line there that usually leads 
into the pick and choose 

748
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,720
argument and discussion. 
So how do you address this? 

749
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:17,720
The first thing I do is I kindly
point out their hypocrisy. 

750
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,640
And this is you got to be 
careful about this. 

751
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,760
But I point out to them, OK, 
you're saying I pick and choose,

752
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,040
but let me ask you this 
question. 

753
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,880
Leviticus chapter 19, verse 11 
says this. 

754
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,600
You shall not steal. 
You shall not deal falsely. 

755
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,080
You should not lie to one 
another. 

756
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,600
Do you agree that those are good
things? 

757
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,880
If the answer is yes, then you 
pick and choose to. 

758
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,960
Verse 12 You should not swear by
my name falsely and so profane 

759
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,320
the name of the Lord your God. 
I'm the Lord. 

760
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,360
You should not oppress your 
neighbor or rob him. 

761
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:52,600
Do you agree that that's good? 
If so, you just pick and chose. 

762
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,200
The wages of a higher worker 
should not remain with you all 

763
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,960
night until the morning. 
Verse 14 You shall not curse the

764
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,800
deaf or put stumbling blocks 
before the blind, but you shall 

765
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,280
fear the Lord your God. 
I am the Lord. 

766
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,720
Do you agree that that's a good 
thing? 

767
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,320
If the answer is yes, then you 
pick and choose. 

768
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,720
You should not do injustice in 
court. 

769
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,920
You should not be partial to the
poor or defer to the great. 

770
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,440
Do you agree that that's a good 
thing? 

771
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:18,880
And the answer is you pick and 
choose. 

772
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,600
And some will say, well, I 
don't. 

773
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,320
I don't believe in that Bible. 
That's not my word. 

774
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,080
That's your word. 
I'm using your word against you.

775
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,680
You said you believe that. 
I don't believe that. 

776
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,600
Here's the problem. 
You weren't born before the 

777
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,920
Bible. 
And the way that we got to the 

778
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,080
Christian, to the worldview and 
the ethics that we hold to 

779
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,400
today, that it's not good to 
steal, murder and lie against 

780
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,840
each other, You know where that 
came from? 

781
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,720
The Bible, it was set in a 
Christian worldview. 

782
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,720
Now some people argue that those
are just things that we know 

783
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,640
innately. 
I know this because I'm just a 

784
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,120
person. 
I don't need the Bible to tell 

785
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,520
me that's a lie. 
Still in Cheat and the answer is

786
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,360
yes. 
In Romans, one speaks exactly to

787
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,160
that because God wrote his moral
law on your heart. 

788
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,480
So even though you're trying to 
skirt around God, the problem is

789
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,400
the Bible keeps pinning you down
and going, no, you cannot derive

790
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,200
this apart from my word and you 
cannot derive this apart from my

791
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,520
creation, me putting my a Maggio
day on you, which has imprinted 

792
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:24,600
you with these moments where you
see injustice and go, that's not

793
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:28,520
right. 
That didn't come from your own 

794
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,080
origination. 
It came from being made in my 

795
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,440
image and having my law written 
on your heart. 

796
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,800
So the first thing I like to do 
in the conversation is I like to

797
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,600
point out that they pick and 
choose, which then leads me to 

798
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,480
the second part of the 
discussion usually, which is 

799
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,400
this. 
I confess this. 

800
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,920
I know why and how I pick and 
choose. 

801
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:57,320
Do you I know why and how I pick
and choose? 

802
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,160
I know why we've decided not to 
greet each other with a holy 

803
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,480
kiss beyond the complaints that 
we get in the complaint box, 

804
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,280
right? 
I know why we don't put people 

805
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,480
to death to plant crops side by 
side today. 

806
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,120
I know why and how I'm picking 
and choosing. 

807
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,160
Do you know why and how you're 
picking and choosing? 

808
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,440
Let me explain how I know why 
and how I pick and choose. 

809
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:21,200
I took this class called 
Hermeneutics. 

810
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,120
Every one of your pastors had to
take one of these classes. 

811
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,480
Hermeneutics is a practice that 
teaches you the knowledge of 

812
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,400
interpreting the Bible and 
understanding its literary 

813
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,520
context both within the culture 
and today. 

814
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,840
And when you study hermeneutics,
took this from Doctor Minot, you

815
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,200
learn that there are three types
of law in the Old Testament. 

816
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:52,120
There's three types of law. 
There's moral law, civil law, 

817
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,920
and ceremonial law. 
There's moral law, There's civil

818
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,000
law and there's ceremonial law. 
And you can deduct this very 

819
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,800
easy by reading and actually 
thinking. 

820
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,840
So as you read through this, 
what you discover is there's a 

821
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,080
moral law. 
Moral law transcends time and 

822
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:13,400
culture, and regardless of where
we're at in history, it's true. 

823
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,720
An example of this would be the 
10 commandments, right? 

824
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,600
Still true. 
I think we still agree that it's

825
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,400
true that it's not good to 
commit adultery, right? 

826
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,680
Like usually your spouse doesn't
come home and go been committing

827
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,720
adultery and like, oh, it's OK 
Culturally that's acceptable 

828
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:35,040
now, even though statistically 
it happens more than it should, 

829
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,120
right? 
Usually you're going to be a 

830
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,960
little bit indignant. 
That's not right. 

831
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,800
That's an injustice. 
Where does that come from? 

832
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,360
Moral law. 
That's what God has written on 

833
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:50,080
the hearts of humanity. 
The second kind of law is civil 

834
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,840
law. 
That's a God-given law to Israel

835
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,880
in the Middle East within a set 
time period to teach them how to

836
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,160
function as a chosen people 
within the context of culture. 

837
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:07,960
Civil law. 
God-given law to Israel in the 

838
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,800
Middle East within a set time 
and period to teach them how to 

839
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,960
function as a chosen people 
within the context of the 

840
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,960
culture. 
It was God's way through the law

841
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,440
making them distinct amongst 
their neighbors. 

842
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,520
How is a believer distinct 
amongst his neighbors? 

843
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,280
Use your brains. 
How is a believer distinct 

844
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,880
amongst their neighbors? 
If it ain't Jesus, it's probably

845
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,880
the Holy Spirit. 
This is the distinctive marker 

846
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:45,160
for the believer making sense to
anybody, outward appearance and 

847
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,720
obedience to the law. 
This is how you kept it as a 

848
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:49,840
distinct people from the rest of
the world. 

849
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,520
And we see that some examples of
this are on the laws around 

850
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,160
clothing and outer appearance. 
What you're to wear, not wear, 

851
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,680
how you're to wear, not to wear 
it. 

852
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,440
Single thread, multiple threads,
one kind of content or multiple 

853
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,880
like like this is all law. 
That was to distinguish Israel 

854
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,200
within that. 
It's a cultural. 

855
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,840
That's a cultural law within 
time and place with the civil 

856
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,360
law. 
The third ceremonial laws, let 

857
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,800
me explain this. 
These were given to instruct 

858
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,800
Israel in their worship within 
the temple. 

859
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,680
Some examples of these kinds of 
laws are purification laws, how 

860
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,840
you had to go through a 
purification process before you 

861
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,440
went into the temple, even some 
of the dietary laws and how that

862
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,520
plays into it, which actually is
a civil law. 

863
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,320
So you have civil, ceremonial 
and morals. 

864
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:40,240
Is this making sense to anybody?
OK, ceremonial laws, even if we 

865
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:44,000
wanted to practice them, cannot 
be practiced today because 

866
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,040
there's no temple to go to. 
The temple now is you. 

867
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,040
God took what raised Jesus from 
the dead and put it in in you. 

868
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,400
So there's no more temple that 
we're worried about cleansing 

869
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,080
ourself up. 
However, there is a warning in 

870
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,240
First Corinthians 6 that we're 
to have a high reverence for the

871
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:07,360
temple of God and what we do 
with it since God has put His 

872
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,560
spirit inside of it. 
Am I making sense still? 

873
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:17,000
Anybody still listening to this?
So for the Christian believer, 

874
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,440
we have now been filled with the
Holy Spirit and we now have 

875
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,920
become the temple. 
And as believers, we should 

876
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,440
always want to discuss the 
Bible. 

877
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,760
And the beautiful thing that has
happened anytime this discussion

878
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,960
comes up is we've been given an 
invitation to talk Scripture 

879
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,000
with people, which leads me to 
the third step. 

880
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,440
And this is the most important 
step. 

881
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,760
You point out their hypocrisy. 
You point out that you pick and 

882
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,960
choose, but you have reasoning 
behind how you pick and choose. 

883
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,280
It's not just what I feel is 
right or what I feel is wrong, 

884
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,360
right? 
Which then brings you to the 

885
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,120
third one, which is this. 
This is very important. 

886
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,040
You ready? 
You get off your moral high 

887
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:54,160
horse and you admit to them that
you are a hypocrite. 

888
00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:03,080
This is the this is the 
difference between articulating 

889
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,160
to make a point versus 
articulating to make a 

890
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:10,880
difference. 
You get off your moral high 

891
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,360
horse and you point out your own
hypocrisy. 

892
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,040
That means you call out your own
sin. 

893
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,840
You point to your desperate need
for Jesus. 

894
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,920
You point out your own desires 
that the Bible has called sinful

895
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,840
and your struggle to allow 
through the Scripture them to be

896
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:30,640
put to death. 
Got a myriad of pages here. 

897
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,200
You communicate your need for a 
moral law and standard hear this

898
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,840
that exists outside of you so 
that you don't minimize your sin

899
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,240
while you amplify others. 
And you communicate your need to

900
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:48,600
know what God says is righteous 
and unrighteous because you are 

901
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:53,560
a hypocrite. 
What does this do? 

902
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:58,320
It allows us to be human. 
Some of the most painful 

903
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,760
conversations I've had with 
friends and family members are 

904
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,480
people who have same sex 
attraction and they wrestle with

905
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,920
what the scriptures teach and 
what that means for them and 

906
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,840
this desire and they feel 
affirmed now by the majority of 

907
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:12,960
the world. 
That's fine. 

908
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,920
There's nothing that's there, 
but they still have this 

909
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,000
conviction that they cannot rid 
themselves of. 

910
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:19,080
And some people will call it 
from the world's perspective, 

911
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,360
just built in guilt. 
Now let me be very clear. 

912
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,040
Guilt is the same voice as 
condemnation. 

913
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,920
Condemnation always tells you 
it's hopeless and there is no 

914
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,960
hope. 
And a lot of my friends that 

915
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,120
want to know the Lord or want to
get, want to study Scripture and

916
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,000
get this right, a lot of them, 
they feel uniquely damned 

917
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,920
because of this desire. 
Because the church has joined in

918
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,440
with the voice of guilt and 
condemnation instead of allowing

919
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,200
the Spirit to be the voice of 
conviction. 

920
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,760
Because the voice of conviction 
is always an invitation. 

921
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,440
And that invitation invites you 
to a new way of living, 

922
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,720
empowered by the Holy Spirit. 
No, it doesn't immediately take 

923
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:56,320
away every sinful desire. 
No, it doesn't mean that it's 

924
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,720
just going to, that the desires 
you have just walk out the door 

925
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:01,600
and leave you alone. 
Yes, it means that Jesus grace 

926
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,080
is sufficient for you to meet 
you where you are and to walk 

927
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,560
with you to the future that he 
defines and leads you into. 

928
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,520
And it's such a painful 
conversation to have because I 

929
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,520
want them to know that the grace
I receive is not unique to the 

930
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,480
grace that they can receive. 
It's not like the grace of Jesus

931
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,680
is deep enough to reach me and 
my own heterosexual desires and 

932
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,400
the simple desires that the 
Bible calls simple sexually that

933
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,200
I hold to as well and have to 
repent of and acknowledge and 

934
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,640
put accountability around my 
life in that that I'm no 

935
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,520
different than you when it comes
to my need for grace. 

936
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,320
But the grace that reached me is
a sufficient grace to reach you.

937
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,560
And it's so frustrating to 
connect the dots because there's

938
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,000
such a disconnect that seems to 
exist. 

939
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,440
So if I could, I want to implore
the church and the way that we 

940
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,640
had these conversations with 
four takeaways, 4 steps that I 

941
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,920
think we got to hold to. 
Number one, call out your own 

942
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,720
sin. 
Until we normalize repentance, 

943
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:01,600
we we should not expect us to 
have good gospel conversations 

944
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,000
in the community around us. 
Listen, they're always going to 

945
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,240
highlight the extremes and the 
hypocrites and the the loud and 

946
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:10,440
the annoying and the boisterous 
in the news, OK? 

947
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,440
But we are to be humble and 
repentant before God. 

948
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,400
So let's normalize our own sin. 
Let's not normalize our own sin.

949
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,220
Let's normalize repentance. 
That could have been a bad take 

950
00:51:24,220 --> 00:51:26,680
away. 
Normalize my sin. 

951
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,400
What did you learn in church? 
Today? 

952
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,240
I'm going to normalize my sin. 
I'm sorry. 

953
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,360
Call out your own sin. 
Let's normalize your penance in 

954
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,720
this place #2 humble yourself 
before God. 

955
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,240
When you're humble before God, 
you don't have to be arrogant to

956
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:52,200
others. 
There's nothing to prove my 

957
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,560
identity and my value is rooted 
in my relationship with Jesus. 

958
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,640
So I'm not trying to out noise 
you in an argument. 

959
00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:59,960
I'm not trying to win an 
argument. 

960
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,920
I'm trying to love Jesus and 
follow him. 

961
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,320
And I'm devoted to him before 
I'm devoted to the opinion of 

962
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:09,360
man or the popularity of what 
people think about the message 

963
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,880
of the gospel of Jesus. 
So call out your own sin. 

964
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:18,680
Humble yourself before God #3 be
loving by being truthful. 

965
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,400
This is a tension we have to 
walk in. 

966
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,360
Love and truth are not 2 coins. 
They're the same side of one 

967
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,400
coin. 
I've heard many people go, well 

968
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,600
I'm just being truthful when 
they yelled at them with the 

969
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,800
bullhorn. 
You're not being loving. 

970
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,480
You've missed an entire side of 
the coin. 

971
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,840
It's through relationship around
tables and in conversations that

972
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,880
we most often see change and 
transformation. 

973
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,400
It's what Jesus did. 
It's why Jesus ate with sinners,

974
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,120
set with the ill repute, and was
looked down upon for doing it. 

975
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,440
But how did change happen? 
By Jesus yelling at a woman 

976
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,360
walking to a well, or by him 
sitting at the well and 

977
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:09,000
conversating with her? 
Many of you are into the 

978
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,680
conversation. 
You had the relationship. 

979
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,320
But if I can be very direct to 
you, you're a coward. 

980
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:24,320
You're ashamed of the gospel. 
And that, my friends, is a bit 

981
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,320
more heartbreaking thing than 
anything else. 

982
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,720
At the end of Romans one, what 
does Paul say at the end of all 

983
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:32,920
of this? 
From not ashamed of the gospel 

984
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,680
of Jesus Christ, every word of 
it. 

985
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:47,680
Yet for many of us we we've 
walked in extremes and 

986
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,680
completely missed the point and 
rendered ourselves completely 

987
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,400
ineffective. 
And we've called ourselves 

988
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,640
loving to a community that we've
not been truthful to. 

989
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:59,200
And my friends that an eternity 
is not loving but it is hateful 

990
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,080
#4 Daily fully devote yourself 
to God. 

991
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:14,160
I was asked this question by 
someone very close to me who has

992
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,520
a family member who is in a same
sex relationship and I love 

993
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,880
their I love everyone in the 
family. 

994
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:26,080
And they said how dare you tell 
me that if my family member 

995
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,480
wants to be true to God that 
they can never have the kind of 

996
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,200
relationship that you have in a 
heterosexual sense. 

997
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,120
How dare you tell me that 
they've got to basically forsake

998
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:40,080
that if they want to live in 
obedience to God. 

999
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,480
And with tears in my eyes, I 
look back and humbly 

1000
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:49,360
articulated, how dare you tell 
me that the Savior can't demand 

1001
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,520
that and even more from us. 
How dare you tell me that in the

1002
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,000
scriptures it teaches that if 
your love for the Savior, isn't 

1003
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,080
it such a level that it looks 
like hatred for everybody else 

1004
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,280
in comparison? 
That that same Savior would not 

1005
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,000
call you to have desires that 
you call good that the Bible 

1006
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,240
calls sinful and call you to 
forsake and trust Him in those 

1007
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,960
desires so that he can lead you 
into who He's called you to be? 

1008
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,640
How dare you act as if Jesus 
deserves cheap devotion that 

1009
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:19,000
ends at the mark of your desire 
or ends at the of what you think

1010
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,560
is good. 
How dare you tell me, not being 

1011
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,200
able to see all of creation and 
all of time, that Jesus doesn't 

1012
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,440
know what is best for his 
children and his people and the 

1013
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,000
best way to walk with them even 
in their struggles and in their 

1014
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,680
failures through His grace to 
the moment where they are 

1015
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,840
sanctified and glorified before 
God in the very end of times. 

1016
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,440
How dare you tell me that in 
temporary time He's not worthy 

1017
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,520
of forsaking all riches and all 
relationships and all things for

1018
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,360
the pursuit of Him? 
How dare you tell me that the 

1019
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,040
Gospels taught anything less 
than that? 

1020
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,160
Because Luke 923 says that if 
anyone wants to come after 

1021
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:55,960
Jesus, he must daily wake up and
die to himself, take up his 

1022
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,480
cross and follow him and follow 
him. 

1023
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,840
And how dare us as a church send
that message out to the world 

1024
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,640
when we ourselves haven't been 
our own daggum niece and been 

1025
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:15,120
devoted in the same way. 
Have a friend who is in ministry

1026
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:20,480
and he and I talk off and on and
he approached me one day and he 

1027
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,520
said I don't know if you know 
this but I've always struggled 

1028
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,920
with same sex attraction. 
I said well it's kind of obvious

1029
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,720
and we started laughing because 
we've been friends for a while. 

1030
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,080
He said yeah, you would think 
God when he gave me an 

1031
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,040
effeminate voice and kind of, 
you know, more effeminate kind 

1032
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,560
of mannerisms, they'd be at 
least giving me like a masculine

1033
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,600
passion. 
His biggest passion in life is 

1034
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,840
cheerleading. 
He could out tumble any girl 

1035
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:50,080
I've ever met. 
We were talking back and forth 

1036
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,080
one day and I said, you know, 
like, do you ever feel like 

1037
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,320
Jesus is somehow like 
shortchanged you or given you a 

1038
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,760
an uneven deck? 
And in the fact that this is a 

1039
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,400
desire that you have and it's 
kind of public and a lot of 

1040
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,360
people recognize it and you 
know, they look at you and a lot

1041
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,840
of people assume things about 
you and you know, you can't see 

1042
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,160
having to deal with that. 
And I'm like weeping, asking him

1043
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,400
this. 
And he looks at me and says, I 

1044
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,360
would give so much more to 
follow the Savior that I read 

1045
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,320
about in the Bible. 
You have no clue. 

1046
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,800
It's my joy to lay this desire 
aside and pursue God. 

1047
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,680
It's my joy to know Jesus in 
that way. 

1048
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,920
And can I tell you the most 
marginalized voice in the world 

1049
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,320
right now? 
It's his voice because everyone 

1050
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,440
else gets a platform. 
But if you dissent from public 

1051
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,280
opinion and you speak up like he
speaks up, you're you're soon to

1052
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,840
be a part of the bigoted agenda 
when all he is is a fully 

1053
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:44,680
devoted follower of Christ. 
He loves the Lord and he's not 

1054
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,360
ashamed or cowardly enough to to
hide in it. 

1055
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,960
Instead, he walks in the 
boldness of the light, allowing 

1056
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,040
Jesus to transform and change 
him into doing so. 

1057
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,360
I mean, he's he's a a great tool
in the hand of God. 

1058
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,600
God used him for incredible 
things for his Kingdom. 

1059
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,600
But but we don't want to hear 
his voice. 

1060
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,440
We dismiss that voice publicly. 
Why? 

1061
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,160
Because that voice may challenge
us in our belief. 

1062
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,160
That voice may call us to 
holiness. 

1063
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,200
That voice may bridge into a 
community that that we want to 

1064
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:19,040
deconstruct the bridge down to 
listen church. 

1065
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:24,840
We have no message if we 
ourselves are are not 

1066
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,680
acknowledging the hypocrisy of 
our own lives. 

1067
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,280
So today, as the band comes, I 
want to invite you before we 

1068
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:36,480
take communion, to acknowledge 
your sin before God, to humble 

1069
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:48,330
yourself before Him, to repent, 
to repent, to make it normal. 

1070
00:58:50,650 --> 00:58:53,530
Why? 
Because the Savior died and bled

1071
00:58:53,530 --> 00:58:57,170
so that we in our struggles and 
in our weakness could, could 

1072
00:58:57,170 --> 00:58:58,410
know that we can always come 
home. 

1073
00:58:58,410 --> 00:59:02,050
No matter the details of the 
prodigal run, you can come home.

1074
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,760
For those of you that are 
struggling with our living in 

1075
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,520
same sex attraction, I want you 
to know at Resurrection Church, 

1076
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:14,080
we love you. 
We love you, absolutely love 

1077
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,760
you. 
And I apologize on behalf of the

1078
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:22,680
church for the stupid things 
we've said and done for acting 

1079
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,800
like this could be magically 
just prayed out of you. 

1080
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:32,640
No, but in the same breath, I 
pray that as we learn to, as we 

1081
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,320
love you, I pray that you would 
give us grace as we learn 

1082
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,200
together what the Scriptures 
teach and what they mean. 

1083
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,680
And together we could walk 
together. 

1084
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,920
You are absolutely welcome in 
this church. 

1085
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,280
There's a home for you here. 
And I promise you that week in 

1086
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,880
and week out, as we preach to 
the Bible, it the Bible is going

1087
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,000
to disagree with everyone in 
here in the way that we live our

1088
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,160
lives. 
But I also promise you as the 

1089
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,240
lead pastor that I will continue
to take the stance as being the 

1090
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,320
lead repenter and I'll repent 
first. 

1091
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,440
I'll go first here. 
And in my brokenness I will 

1092
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,240
acknowledge it. 
And I will beg for God to 

1093
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,920
empower me to overcome my sin as
He empowers you to do the same. 

1094
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,160
And it will not be easy, but I 
promise you I will not judge 

1095
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,440
you, but I will humble myself 
before the Lord. 

1096
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,640
And in doing so, we will walk 
together as He makes us into the

1097
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,080
people He's called us to be by 
His power and not man's 

1098
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:30,840
derivative. 
My prayers that you find this 

1099
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:35,440
house to be a home, a place 
where you can come in in any 

1100
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:40,040
condition and know that you were
truly loved by a Savior who 

1101
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,920
demonstrates that love by loving
us while we were still in our 

1102
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:49,960
sin. 
It won't be easy, and the world 

1103
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,280
will try and pull us apart, and 
they will continue to tell us 

1104
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,200
that if we do not affirm, we 
cannot be family. 

1105
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,200
But I promise you that the blood
makes us a stronger kind of 

1106
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,520
family than anything in this 
world could ever make us. 

1107
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:12,240
So Church, the whole church, 
Acknowledge your sin before God,

1108
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:17,920
repent of your sin and may you 
find His grace to be deep and 

1109
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:22,560
wide to meet us where we are and
a spirit to be strong enough to 

1110
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,320
meet us there and lead us to 
where we aren't. 

1111
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,880
In Jesus name, Amen. 
Amen.