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I mean, I search for peace, I 
search for hope, I search for 

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love, and one day for release. 
God give me strength to accept 

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the things that I just cannot 
know. 

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And even when I lose control, I 
will not let you go. 

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Good morning. 
But if Daniel, I want to lead 

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pastors here at Res Church 
welcome. 

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We're in a series called Sound 
Mind. 

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This is week 4 and we're 
covering hope for relational 

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wounds today. 
Man, a while. 

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This is a couple years back now,
before I was on staff, I was 

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just a volunteer at the church 
and I was standing in the, the 

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old church office at the time. 
And I was scrolling through this

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big church survey we've done and
I was looking, there's like 

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hundreds of of comments at the 
end of every response. 

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And so I was just kind of 
reading them all and I, and I 

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ran across one that was 
essentially criticizing the 

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preaching. 
Now, I don't really preach back 

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then, but I thought the 
preaching was really awesome. 

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And so I remember reading this 
and I was sending it was like 

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just me and a friend in the 
church office. 

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And so I remember not only 
reading it out loud to my 

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friend, but then like giving my 
honest opinion about that 

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opinion in a not so gentle way, 
very sarcastically, because, you

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know, we were alone. 
So what I what I did not know at

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the time is out of the hundreds 
of people that responded that 

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the person that had written that
was sitting in the next room 

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listening to the whole 
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And I would not find that out 
for two years, two years, two 

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years that person would would 
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And it got more and more 
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So much so that later when they 
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they said that for two years 
they couldn't be in the same 

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room with me. 
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at some point for them to 
explain and for me to apologize.

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10 minutes. 
And instead of 10 minutes, they 

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spent two years hurting, two 
years of resentment, 2 years of 

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fake conversations in their 
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Y'all have never had any of 
those, right? 

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Two years of fostering and 
cultivating A relational wound 

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instead of healing. 
You know, when you, when you 

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take an offence or a wound, it 
creates a debt much like a 

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weight. 
If you've ever experienced it, 

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it feels like there's been 
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So today we're going to, we're 
going to discuss hope for 

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relational wounds. 
Any anyone here ever had a 

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conflict with anyone? 
I mean, not everyone raised 

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their hand, which is surprising 
to me because I just feel like 

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you're lying in church. 
I'm going to come up here and 

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bare my soul and wear a 
backpack. 

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At least you can do is be honest
with me. 

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See, I think at some point this 
is everyone. 

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Everyone that is human has 
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probably more than one 
relational wounds. 

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I think it's a universal human 
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And so we're actually going to 
investigate kind of this overall

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question today of just how do we
navigate a world in which people

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are messy and life doesn't seem 
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Now, you may have noticed, not 
so coincidentally, that when we 

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we we preached on hope for 
anxiety, it was Justin. 

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When we preached on hope for 
burnout, it was Nate. 

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Not that those guys have 
anything to, you know, special 

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to say about any of those 
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So why then did I get relational
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Well, here's why this is a good 
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I read this study recently and I
thought this is this is 

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interesting. 
Most people will lose 5 to 7 

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significant relationships over 
the course of their life. 5 to 7

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deep substantial relationships. 
But pastors lose on average five

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to seven significant 
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Just think about how that adds 
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This is actually the nature of 
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Like here's the reality. 
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they almost never leave for a 
good reason and they're really 

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messy about it and they never 
leave well. 

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Like it's super rare that 
someone leaves the church. 

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Well. 
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this is just human nature when 
they leave is they need to 

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demonize where they left because
it helps them justify with their

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decision. 
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is a very messy. 
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frequently faced with relational
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scale that very few people 
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I, I, I read somebody talked 
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How does a, a pastor take those 
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then turn around when that same 
person is having craziness in 

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their life and needs the pastor 
to go back in and love on them? 

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Like what? 
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Here's the thing. 
If pastors don't have a really 

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good handle on dealing with 
wounds, we aren't going to be in

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ministry very long. 
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just take a look at this idea of
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It's that simple. 
It's just dealing with hurt 

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regardless of where it comes 
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And listen, can we all be 
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It comes from a lot of different
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Mark Clark says it this way, and
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He says we are hurt by people. 
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We live in an ecosystem where 
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behavior all matter to more than
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Listen, the reason that I know 
that you've had relational 

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wounds is because you live with 
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And we are messy. 
We can be hurt in a lot of 

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different ways. 
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What you, what we can't do is we
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and try to wall ourselves off so
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And, and there's a couple of you
in here today that you got hurt.

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And So what you did is you 
thought, man, if I withdraw 

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enough, no one can hurt me. 
But The thing is that you, you 

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have to risk being hurt in order
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That's actually what CS Lewis 
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He said to love at all is to be 
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Love anything and your heart 
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You can't wall yourself off from
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Here's what I'll tell you in 
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If I'm not willing to be hurt, I
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If I'm not willing to love you, 
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going to break my heart, then 
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So the solution is not 
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It's not callousness. 
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to heal. 
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of our time today on this big 
idea to fully heal, you must 

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fully forgive. 
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you're like, he just said the F 
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They were listen for service 
kind of quiet because we started

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talking about forgiveness. 
And I'm not kidding, you people 

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are like this. 
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this isn't an appropriate topic 
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All right. 
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forgive. 
Let's start with the story of a 

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guy named Joseph. 
If you're not familiar with the 

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Bible or maybe it's a little bit
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Joseph in Genesis 37. 
His story starts, he's one of 

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twelve sons. 
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He's also very arrogant. 
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brothers off, so much so that 
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discuss killing him. 
Now, you thought you had family 

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drama, but they're murder 
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They don't kill him. 
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Man, I'm not a mystery to my 
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him into slavery so we're OK 
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He's 17 years old. 
He ends up in Egypt of a country

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next to his adjacent to where he
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actually blesses him. 
He he has God's favor on his 

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life until in the family that he
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master falsely accuses him of 
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So he's been sold into slavery. 
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he's in prison. 
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We don't even know how long 
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12 years. 
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time he finally gets released 
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With God's help, he will rise to
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Egypt. 
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He is God-given wisdom and and 
prophecy will end up saving 

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Egypt from massive famine. 
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for saving food up for this 
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In fact, it's so successful that
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come into Egypt to ask for food.
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after he's been sold into 
slavery, here come his brothers 

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starving, and their families 
need food, and they don't even 

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recognize him. 
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about this real quick, even if 
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I want you to think about how 
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Joseph would have thought about 
his brother's betrayal. 

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I want you to think about how 
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cell surrounded by rats and 
filth and decay, did Joseph sit 

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there and think about how those 
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abusers. 
And Joseph ends up saving his 

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brothers and their families from
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that he's fully forgiven them. 
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After all they did? 
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make up a story about how dad 
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Nothing like a little lying and 
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relationship, right? 
Again, right? 

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We're going to pick up our story
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When Joseph's brothers saw that 
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it may be that Joseph will hate 
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evil that we did to him. 
So they sent a message to Joseph

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saying, your father gave this 
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Say to Joseph, please forgive 
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brothers and their sin because 
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And now please forgive the 
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the God of your father. 
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him. 
His brothers also came and fell 

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down before him and said, 
behold, we are your servants. 

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But Joseph said to them, do not 
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God? 
As for you, you meant evil 

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against me, but God meant it for
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That many people should be kept 
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So do not fear, I will provide 
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Thus he comforted them and spoke
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Joseph had fully forgiven his 
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substantial things in that 
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I don't want you to miss this in
Genesis 50, if you have your 

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Bibles, I don't want you to 
underline this. 

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He says, am I in the place of 
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Oh, that is a, that is a 
revolutionary thing that Joseph 

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sees here. 
We'll we'll look at that in a 

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minute. 
And the second he says this, 

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what you intended for evil, God 
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I want to investigate this idea 
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Because I think, I think this 
right here is where we kind of 

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we go off the rails when we 
don't understand this when it 

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comes to healing, when it comes 
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And so here's three ancient 
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And then we'll kind of 
investigate that and we'll talk 

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about this statement. 
And I think this will be 

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helpful. 
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An offense creates debt. 
It's like, I want to put the 

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brick in the backpack, right? 
It creates debt like a weight 

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and debt demands payment. 
Someone must pay. 

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This has always been the truth 
about debt. 

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This has always been the truth 
about offense. 

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In fact, not only does does an 
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would actually say that, that 
all sin, any sin creates debt. 

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Now maybe you're new to the 
Bible and you're like, I don't 

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know what this concept of sin 
is. 

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Here's let me just give you a 
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Sin is anything contrary to God,
his character, or His commands. 

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So anything that is contrary to 
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considered sin or rebellion or 
disobedience. 

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Sin can be active or passive, so
you can send by doing something 

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wrong, but you can also send by 
knowing the right thing to do 

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and not doing it. 
We can send intentionally or 

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unintentionally, but all sin 
creates a debt. 

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This is what Jesus is explaining
when he's teaching his disciples

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how to pray, when they say he 
teaches how to pray and and he 

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he's teaching them the Lord's 
Prayer and he says in Matthew 6 

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and he says pray like this, our 
Father in heaven, hallowed be 

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your name, your Kingdom come, 
your will be done as earth, as 

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it is on earth, as it is in 
heaven. 

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Give us this daily, this day, 
Our Daily Bread and forgive us 

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our what our what he didn't say 
forgive us our sins. 

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He says forgive us our debts as 
we have also forgiven our 

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debtors. 
So when we're wounded by an 

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offence, by a sin of someone 
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And that wound, that debt, it 
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And anyone who's ever had this 
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us, say me, we know that it 
creates a debt. 

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We know that something feels 
off. 

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Do you know what I mean by 
something feeling off as if the 

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the scales of cosmic justice, 
right? 

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They're not equal. 
Something's wrong and it bothers

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you, does it not? 
You that that kind of angsty 

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feeling of like, right, it's not
right. 

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Something's not right. 
And so there's this intuitive 

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feeling that we all share of 
like someone has to pay this 

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debt. 
And listen, if you don't deal 

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with that wound, it gets 
infected. 

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Relational debts have this way 
of growing. 

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I don't know if you've 
experienced this or ever thought

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about this. 
Have you ever had a friend who, 

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who like bought a used car and 
got one of those like toxically 

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bad interest loans? 
Did you know what I'm talking 

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about? 
Like 23% APR or something? 

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I'm like, do do they break your 
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Like, like that is a bad loan 
man. 

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Relational wounds are like that.
If you don't deal with them, 

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they compound the debt 
compounds. 

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The pain compounds so fast and 
so much over time. 

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It's like, it's like aggressive 
interest. 

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I, I met with a, a, a friend of 
mine. 

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He used to go to the church 
years ago and we went out for 

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coffee and I'm just sitting, 
we're, we're catching up on 

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everything. 
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like, why aren't you involved in
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Like, I don't understand why you
don't follow the, the biblical 

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model of Christianity. 
You, you all know there are no 

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solo Christians anywhere in the 
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Like, if you think like, I'm, 
I'm a Christian, but I don't 

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need the church. 
You're just not reading your 

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Bible. 
And so I'm pushing on him 

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because he's a friend of mine, 
so I can kind of poke at him 

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like, hey, what's going on with 
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You live right next to a bunch 
of good churches. 

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Why aren't you doing this? 
And as I start to press, he 

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starts to get emotional and then
he starts to tear up. 

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And I'm like, oh, there's a 
wound. 

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And I was just sticking my 
finger in it without even 

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knowing. 
And finally it comes out, he has

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this hurt that caused him to 
leave the church six years ago, 

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and no one knows about it 
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Six years ago I was like, bro, 
you have been hurting for six 

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years and you didn't tell 
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He's like, well, I was like, Oh 
my gosh, see, not only is he in 

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a, it's not just that he's in 
the same place that he was. 

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He's in a worse place now than 
he was because it's gotten 

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worse. 
It's gotten worse and it's 

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gotten worse. 
Six years of thinking about it, 

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of having those fake 
conversations in your head about

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it, thinking about how you wish 
it was different, what you would

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say the next time. 
No one's ever done that, right? 

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And the debt just adds, and the 
debt just adds, and the debt 

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just adds. 
See, forgiveness is releasing a 

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debt. 
Unforgiveness is holding on to 

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the dead and carrying it, 
believing that it's owed to us 

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by someone else. 
But you'll never heal without 

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forgiveness. 
To fully heal, you must fully 

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forgive. 
And if you think you're healing 

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without actually forgiving, 
you're just actually letting an 

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infected wound scab over. 
If, if you're visiting today, 

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maybe Christianity is not your 
thing. 

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Maybe you don't even believe in 
the Bible. 

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You're like, OK, I, I, maybe 
you're going to prove this all 

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from the Bible or something. 
I, I don't even believe that. 

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That's fine. 
Just consider this. 

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Medical science has studied 
forgiveness for a long time. 

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This is not just a biblical 
concept. 

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Like there are fascinating 
studies on forgiveness. 

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There's a guy named Doctor Fred 
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He actually runs an entire arm 
of Stanford University 

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forgiveness projects. 
They've done the largest study 

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studies of forgiveness in 
history. 

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He has all kinds of John Hopkins
medical research has studied 

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forgiveness. 
The Journal of Religion and 

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Health has a ton of data on 
this. 

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There was actually a logitudinal
study done with 50,000 nurses 

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just looking at forgiveness. 
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All of those studies say the 
same thing. 

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Here's what they say. 
They all found that forgiveness 

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leads to massive benefits 
physically, mentally, 

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neurologically, and 
relationally. 

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And they all point to the 
negative consequences of 

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unforgiveness. 
Here's the quote. 

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Unforgiveness creates ongoing 
physiological stress responses 

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that prevent complete healing, 
while forgiveness activates 

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healing mechanisms in both mind 
and body. 

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That's not from the Bible. 
To fully heal, you must fully 

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forgive. 
So the goal of our sermon today 

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is to try to get to some 
practical implications of like 

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what would it actually look like
to stop carrying this burden to 

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actually forgive before we we 
jump over to Jesus. 

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Jesus is going to talk about 
forgiveness and we're going to 

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see what we can learn from what 
he says about forgiving. 

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Before we do that, I actually 
want to start with something 

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else. 
I want to start with the five 

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mistakes with wounds. 
I want to talk about how we deal

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with them improperly. 
And the reason that I want to do

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that is that a lot of times when
you're sitting in a sermon like 

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this, you're like, man, I it's 
cool that we're here and all, 

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but I really wish my friend were
here because they're dealing 

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with this. 
Say me, this is for you. 

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Your friend might also benefit. 
This is for you. 

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OK. 
And I think if you'll if you'll 

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listen to the mistakes of 
dealing with wounds, you might 

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actually find yourself in here. 
OK, We good. 

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Don't cross your arms just yet. 
Got plenty of time for that. 

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OK, here we go. 
Mistake number one. 

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What I do with a wound, I 
extract the debt from them. 

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So someone hurts me and I go 
back and I they owe me a debt 

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now, and I'm going to take it 
back. 

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We call that revenge. 
OK, so so here's the problem 

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with revenge. 
It turns me into a debt 

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collector, right? 
All of a sudden, I'm like Boba 

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Fett the bounty hunter. 
Like I'm. 

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I'm running around. 
You know what? 

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It's actually worse than that, 
though, when you think about it,

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because not only am I the 
collector, but I'm also the 

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judge and the jury. 
You notice that. 

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Like, I've decided how much they
owe and I've decided when they 

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should pay, and I've decided 
that I'm going to collect it. 

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Nobody. 
OK, well, it's just me. 

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I'm sorry. 
It's just me. 

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It's not y'all. 
Y'all are very holy. 

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If you've ever sat around and 
and thought about scenarios in 

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which other bad, like bad things
happen to that person and they 

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get theirs, what are you doing? 
You're fantasizing about being a

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debt collector. 
You're thinking about revenge. 

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And now, now what did Joseph say
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Because he had fully forgiven. 
Here's what he said. 

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He said, Am I in the place of 
God? 

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When you decide you're the debt 
collector, you're saying. 

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I am in the place of God, so 
I'll go collect my debt. 

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Mistake number one. 
Mistake number two, I extract 

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the debt from others. 
We call it vindictiveness. 

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Vindictiveness. 
Now here's, here's often why 

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that happens. 
Maybe I was abused as a child. 

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Maybe the person that created 
the offence is no longer 

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available. 
They're gone. 

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Maybe they've passed away. 
But but the debt is still real 

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and I'm still carrying it. 
And since I can't go and collect

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it from them, everyone else owes
me because someone has to pay 

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this debt. 
And if you've ever met someone 

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like this, or if you are someone
like this, you begin to, to live

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a life in which everyone owes 
you something because this debt 

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hasn't been paid yet. 
And so, so, so the debt has 

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shifted to the world around you.
Mistake number one, I try to 

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extract it from the offender. 
Mistake #2 I try to extract the 

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debt from others. 
Mistake #3 I ignore the debt. 

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I just ignore it. 
It's it's things are going fine.

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You know, it's not that heavy. 
Just going to sneak another one 

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in here. 
Yeah. 

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It's good. 
It's good. 

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You know, we call that infection
and it leads to bitterness. 

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The the idea that that time 
heals all wounds is actually a 

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complete fallacy. 
Time might numb pain a little 

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bit, but it doesn't heal the 
wound for you. 

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Time numbs pain, but it doesn't 
heal. 

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Ignoring a wound is a great way 
to slowly kill yourself, to 

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slowly kill your joy, to slowly 
kill your contentment, to slowly

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kill your satisfaction, to 
slowly kill other relationships.

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Unforgiveness is like waking up 
every day and drinking poison 

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and waiting for the other person
to get sick. 

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I wonder why they're not sick 
yet. 

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You can't ignore the dead, you 
can't extract it from them, you 

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can't extract it from others, 
you can't ignore the debt #4 I 

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identify as the wound. 
Now that sounds a little tricky.

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Some explain, some would call 
this the victim mentality. 

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But what? 
What will happen when I begin to

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identify as my wounds? 
It is. 

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I start to worship the wounds. 
Now let me explain before you 

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go. 
I don't, I'm not sure I 

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understand that. 
Look, I highly recommend 

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Christian counseling and 
Christian therapist. 

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Like highly recommend. 
My wife and I went to a 

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Christian counsellor last week 
just to work on our marriage. 

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Like, Christian counselling is 
phenomenal. 

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It's good for so many things. 
However, be very careful when 

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you choose a counsellor because 
simply talking about a wound 

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does not mean that you're 
actually working on healing. 

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In fact, there's a phenomenon 
where we talk about our wound so

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much, we focus on that wound so 
much that over time we begin to 

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be identified by our wound. 
So I'm no longer Daniel. 

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I'm the pastor who was wounded 
by these people. 

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I'm no longer Stacey. 
I'm the woman who was abused as 

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a child. 
I'm no longer Jim. 

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I'm the guy whose spouse cheated
on me. 

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And in the moment that you begin
to identify as your wound 

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instead of as a child of God, 
what happens is you actually 

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begin to worship the the wound 
you're not even interested in 

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healing anymore. 
You don't, you don't, you don't 

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want to change your identity. 
That's what you're known by. 

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And if you're like, no, I don't 
think I worship the one. 

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Listen, what? 
Wherever your identity lies is 

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your God. 
Whatever your identity is rooted

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in is your God. 
And so when your identity shifts

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to become your wounds, it is 
becoming your God. 

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How do you know if this is you? 
Listen, if you are still talking

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about the same wound that you 
were talking about last year in 

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the same way you're talking 
about it, look out should be a 

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red flag. 
But there there is a problem in 

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your life because the heat that 
here's not progress in healing. 

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This is what Tim Keller says 
about wounds. 

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He says watch yourself. 
When someone does something 

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wrong, watch yourselves because 
an unforgiven wrong is a root. 

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It's in your life and it's 
working its way slowly to your 

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heart. 
As long as it's in there, as 

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long as it's not forgiven, 
slowly the evil that was done to

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you will make you into its own 
image. 

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And if you stay bitter, if you 
stay resentful, even if it's 

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really pretty far under the 
surface, forgiveness is both a 

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decision and a journey. 
So you decide to forgive and 

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then you're actually going to go
on a journey to free. 

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Like it's going to take time and
progress. 

454
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,000
It's not quick, but but The 
thing is, it's like a journey 

455
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,840
through a, a bog or a, a swamp, 
meaning it's, it's slow, but you

456
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,080
have to keep moving. 
If you keep moving, you'll get 

457
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,600
there. 
But if you stop, you'll start to

458
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,720
sink and you'll get stuck. 
And some of us have gotten stuck

459
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,360
in our wounds for so long that 
we identify as a wounded person 

460
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,120
and really we've begun to 
worship them. 

461
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,800
The 5th mistake is I'll fix it 
myself. 

462
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:37,080
Self-reliance the old can do 
attitude that's actually fixing 

463
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,040
yourself means you're actually 
suffering from one of the first 

464
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,840
four mistakes and you're lying 
to yourself because here's the 

465
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,480
reality is you you can't fix 
yourself. 

466
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:51,320
I I can't fix myself. 
The very first step towards 

467
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:56,520
salvation in Jesus Christ is a 
realization that I'm broken and 

468
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,880
I can't fix the problem so the 
toughen up buttercup pull myself

469
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,960
up by my own bootstraps sort of 
that might sound noble, but it's

470
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,640
just a mask. 
So if you're here, it's actually

471
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,480
just one of the first four and, 
and, and you're actually, you're

472
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,000
deceiving yourself into thinking
that you're going to be tough 

473
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,920
enough to just get through it 
and take care of it. 

474
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,120
No, it's fine. 
We're OK. 

475
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,120
No problems here. 
Let's see if this backpack holds

476
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:30,320
out to the sermon, huh? 
Let me just say this about 

477
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,240
self-reliance, man. 
self-reliance will get you 

478
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,200
killed. 
I shared with you, I've shared 

479
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,240
with you guys a couple times on 
Sundays, a decision I, I made 

480
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,400
last year where I decided I 
would stop drinking for the rest

481
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,400
of my life. 
Like I, I just, I'm not going to

482
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,400
drink alcohol. 
The next time I'm going to drink

483
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,240
alcohol is when we're all in 
heaven at the new feast and the,

484
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,680
the new wine is pouring. 
And not even the Baptist can be 

485
00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:03,520
mad. 
And, and, and I made that choice

486
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,800
because over and over again, I 
would find that my consumption 

487
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,400
of alcohol just extended a 
little further than I'd planned,

488
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,480
maybe a little more frequent 
that I intended. 

489
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,240
And so no matter how much 
self-discipline that I thought I

490
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,800
had, and it would creep back 
into my life, the day that I 

491
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:28,120
realized I was an alcoholic was 
a gift from God because it made 

492
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:30,040
me realize that I didn't have 
the control that I thought I 

493
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,800
had. 
And so instead I just said, I 

494
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,800
can't, I can't play with this. 
I've got to cut it out entirely.

495
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,960
And I have to throw myself on 
the throne of God. 

496
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,480
I need, I need God in his 
community to help me. 

497
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,800
And so I was talking to somebody
about this actually really 

498
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,760
recently in like last week or 
two, and they said, hey, because

499
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,920
they, they had some similar 
struggles. 

500
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,800
And they go, Hey, how come 
you're doing so well here? 

501
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:52,920
And I continue to struggle with 
it. 

502
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,800
And I said, listen, I think that
they're a good friend of mine. 

503
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,720
So I could be really blown with 
them. 

504
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,880
I said, listen, I think the 
problem that you're having is 

505
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:07,640
that you don't see sin as an 
apex predator that's trying to 

506
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,960
kill you. 
You think you're strong enough 

507
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:17,200
to win, and I know I'm not, and 
that's the difference. 

508
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,240
Knowing you're weak is a great 
blessing. 

509
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,080
Did you understand in this 
context, knowing that you need 

510
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,520
help to forgive someone is a 
great blessing. 

511
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:33,040
You're not going to will 
yourself to it. 

512
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,880
If you could, you would have 
done it already. 

513
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,080
All right, those are the the 
five ways. 

514
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,960
Let's see you can fit one more 
in here. 

515
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,640
Those are the five mistakes to 
make with wounds. 

516
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,480
Let's talk about how we actually
go about healing and see what 

517
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,520
Jesus has to say. 
Grab your Bibles. 

518
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,800
Let's turn to Matthew 18. 
If you have your Bibles, we're 

519
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,720
going to start in verse 21 and 
we're going to look at a 

520
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,080
question, an answer, and a 
story. 

521
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,760
Here we go, verse 21. 
Then Peter came up and said to 

522
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,120
Jesus, Lord, how often will my 
brother sin against me, and I 

523
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,920
forgive him? 
As many as seven times. 

524
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,360
Jesus said to him, I do not say 
7 times, but 77 times. 

525
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,480
Now he's going to tell a story. 
Listen, if you were a disciple, 

526
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,680
every time Jesus told the story,
you knew you were about to get 

527
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,400
slapped upside the head. 
I'm just saying verse 23. 

528
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,360
Therefore, the Kingdom of Heaven
may be compared to a king who 

529
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,360
wished to settle accounts with 
his servants. 

530
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,840
When he began to settle, one was
brought to him who owed him 

531
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,080
10,000 talents. 
Y'all don't have context for 

532
00:29:54,080 --> 00:30:02,400
10,000 talents? 
Current day market $60 billion, 

533
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:10,160
not million $60 billion versus 
25. 

534
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,760
And since he could not pay, his 
master ordered him to be sold 

535
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,400
with his wife and children and 
all that he had, and payment to 

536
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,320
be made. 
So the servant fell on his 

537
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,120
knees, imploring him. 
Have patience with me, and I 

538
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,560
will pay you everything. 
And out of pity for him, the 

539
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,280
master of that servant released 
him and forgave him the debt. 

540
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,440
But when the same servant went 
out, he found one of his fellow 

541
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,160
servants who owed him 100 
denarii of five to 10,000 

542
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,960
dollars. 
And seizing him, he began to 

543
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,520
choke him, saying, Pay what you 
owe. 

544
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,400
So his fellow servant fell down 
and pleaded with him, Have 

545
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,920
patience with me, and I will pay
you. 

546
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,880
He refused and went and put him 
in prison until he should pay 

547
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,160
the debt. 
When his fellow servants saw 

548
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,760
what had taken place, they were 
greatly distressed, and they 

549
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,760
went and reported to their 
master all that had taken place.

550
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,680
And then his master summoned him
and said to him, You wicked 

551
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,040
servant, I forgave you all that 
debt because you pleaded with me

552
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,960
it should not. 
You have had mercy on your 

553
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,640
fellow servant as I had mercy on
you. 

554
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,040
And in anger his master 
delivered him to the jailers 

555
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,360
until he should pay all of his 
debt. 

556
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:28,400
Verse 35 S Also my heavenly 
Father will do to everyone of 

557
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,440
you if you do not forgive your 
brother from your heart. 

558
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,160
Jesus has a disciple named 
Peter. 

559
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,600
Peter has come and asked Jesus, 
Hey, how much is too much to 

560
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,920
forgive? 
How often is too often to 

561
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,680
forgive? 
How many times do I have to 

562
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,120
forgive? 
Hey, is there a sin so great 

563
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,880
that I can't, I don't have to 
forgive it? 

564
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,120
Is there an offense so great 
that I don't have to forgive it?

565
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,760
Is there something that someone 
could do that's so great I could

566
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,160
go, oh, that, that passes the 
note, that's too much. 

567
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,160
When Jesus effectively looks 
right at him and says, no, 

568
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,840
there's no sin too great. 
There's no time too many. 

569
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,400
Nothing is off limits for 
forgiveness. 

570
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,200
Now quick caveat for some of you
that are starting to cross your 

571
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,880
arms, there's a difference 
between forgiveness and 

572
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,960
reconciliation. 
Forgiveness takes one person, 

573
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,080
reconciliation takes 2. 
You may never be reconciled to 

574
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:33,000
someone, but I will tell you 
this, you cannot reconcile with 

575
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,440
someone unless you've first 
forgiven them. 

576
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,720
And when we forgive, we are not 
enabling or excusing wrong 

577
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,080
behaviour. 
I want you to hear me. 

578
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,640
We can name evil and still 
forgive. 

579
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,000
In 1993, Mary Johnson's only son
was murdered by 16 year old 

580
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,040
Oshea Israel during a party 
altercation. 

581
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,720
After years of anger for losing 
her only son, Mary met with 

582
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,040
Oshea in prison and during that 
meeting she experienced A 

583
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,960
transformative moment. 
This is a quote from her. 

584
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,480
I just hugged the man that 
murdered my son and I instantly 

585
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,000
knew that all that anger and the
animosity and all the stuff that

586
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,160
I'd had in my heart for 12 years
for you, I knew it was over. 

587
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,040
We can name evil and still 
forgive. 

588
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,120
So Jesus has already answered 
the question, no, there's no 

589
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,680
limit to forgiveness. 
But then he has a whole parable,

590
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,320
whole story. 
And so I want you to see the 

591
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,520
three things that are in this 
story that I think matter for 

592
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,120
you and I, if we're going to 
learn what it looks like to 

593
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,440
forgive. 
Here's the first one, verse 35. 

594
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,720
Forgiveness is a command. 
You see that, right? 

595
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,200
Jesus is Lord of Lord and King 
of kings, and kings don't make 

596
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,680
suggestions. 
He has all authority on heaven 

597
00:33:51,680 --> 00:34:00,840
and on earth and he has forgiven
us of far more than we will ever

598
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,400
forgive anyone else of that that
I love that he picks the sum of 

599
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,480
10,000 talents. 
It's an impossible number, but 

600
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,639
it's a real number. 
It's not a made-up number. 

601
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,239
You ever had like a 2 year old 
and you're like, what's the 

602
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,800
biggest number you can think of?
And they like make terms up 1 

603
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,760
billion billion brillion. 
You're like, that's not another 

604
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,360
thing. 10,000 talents is a real 
number. 

605
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,760
It's just impossible. 
The reason I love that he picks 

606
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,600
a real number is because you and
I have a real debt. 

607
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,040
Every sin that we have ever 
committed towards someone, we 

608
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,360
first committed toward God 
because in order to commit that 

609
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,320
sin, we had to break his 
commandments to do it. 

610
00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:46,190
You know, if you, if you know 
anything about the, the, the 

611
00:34:46,190 --> 00:34:50,190
gospel of Jesus Christ, this 
this idea that Jesus came for 

612
00:34:50,190 --> 00:34:52,710
our salvation. 
It was it, it really starts with

613
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:57,200
the idea that Jesus came to 
earth in order to pay a debt 

614
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,080
that was unpayable and 
impossible for us. 

615
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,520
This is what Jesus is 
foreshadowing in this moment 

616
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,200
when he says 10,000 talents is 
he knows he's going to go to the

617
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,400
cross and he's going to pay a 
debt that we can't pay. 

618
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,920
So, so for those of us that 
understand that, listen, in the 

619
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,960
shadow of that forgiveness, we 
lose all right to hold on to 

620
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,040
debt. 
Did you understand what I'm 

621
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,880
saying? 
In the shadow of the cross, I 

622
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,080
lose all right to hold on to 
debt. 

623
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,960
Say this with me in the shadow 
of the cross, I lose all right 

624
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,720
to hold on to debt. 
Let's do it again. 

625
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,920
In the shadow of the cross, I 
lose all right to hold on to 

626
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,680
debt. 
Do you understand what he's 

627
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,880
saying? 
You, you cannot stand in the 

628
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,440
shadow of such great forgiveness
and then hold on to debt. 

629
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:55,040
He's saying, how can you? 
How can you look at someone else

630
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,600
and think they owe you when 
you've been forgiven of so much?

631
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,840
It's a command. 
Secondly, forgiveness is a cure.

632
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:08,160
In verse 27, he says, and out of
pity for him, the master of that

633
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,480
servant released him and forgave
him the dead. 

634
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,600
Let me ask you a different sort 
of question. 

635
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:19,160
Do you want to be forgiven? 
Like if you make a mistake or if

636
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,000
you harm somebody? 
If you do something, do you want

637
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,120
to be forgiven? 
Do you want God to forgive you? 

638
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,000
Yeah, because forgiveness is a 
cure. 

639
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:34,000
Our path to salvation was 
because God forgave us. 

640
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,720
The cure to infection of a 
relational wound is forgiveness.

641
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:44,080
We forgive not because the other
person deserves it, but because 

642
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,200
we need it to heal. 
So not only are we commanded to 

643
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:53,120
do it, it is what heals us. 
And thirdly, forgiveness is a 

644
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,800
characteristic. 
It's a characteristic. 

645
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,520
It's a characteristic of someone
who's saved. 

646
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,000
Let me show you verse 33. 
And should not you have had 

647
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,360
mercy on your fellow servant as 
I had mercy on you? 

648
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,560
What is he saying? 
He's saying, listen, you don't 

649
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,880
really understand God's 
forgiveness if you're still 

650
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,120
holding on to debt. 
You don't really understand 

651
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,920
forgiveness if you're holding on
to unforgiveness. 

652
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,440
Debtors. 
That's you and me, say me. 

653
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,440
Debtors should never become 
collectors. 

654
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,760
Think of it this way. 
I've been forgiven of too much 

655
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,520
to be arrogant enough to think 
I'm still owed something more. 

656
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,520
I've been forgiven of too much 
to be arrogant enough to think 

657
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,040
I'm still owed something more. 
So does command a cure and a 

658
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,480
characteristic. 
Now Jesus essentially explains 

659
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,880
that that to truly release the 
debt of someone that really, 

660
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,160
really doesn't deserve it, 
you're going to need a 

661
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,000
perspective that radically 
changes. 

662
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:02,040
My perspective has to shift from
the one where I'm the victim and

663
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,640
they're the perpetrator. 
I'm innocent and they're guilty.

664
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,680
And it has to shift to the one 
where I realized that most often

665
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,760
in my life, I am the 
perpetrator. 

666
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,200
I am the guilty one. 
That's how I rang up a 10,000 

667
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,000
talent, $60 billion debt with 
God. 

668
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:24,440
I have racked up a debt that is 
impossible for me to pay, and I 

669
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,120
deserve punishment for that 
debt. 

670
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,880
In fact, Romans 323 will say 
that every single one of us has 

671
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,960
sinned and the wages of sin is 
death. 

672
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,600
We deserve death. 
So you thought the debt that 

673
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,120
that person owed you was big? 
But we deserve death. 

674
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,200
But God? 
But God? 

675
00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:00,640
But God being rich in mercy 
because of the great love with 

676
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,560
which he loved us even when we 
were dead in our trespasses, 

677
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,680
made us alive together with 
Christ. 

678
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:15,240
By grace you have been saved, 
raised up with Him and seated us

679
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,560
with Him in the heavenly places 
in Christ Jesus, so that in the 

680
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:23,800
coming ages He might show the 
immeasurable riches of His grace

681
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,040
and kindness towards us in 
Christ Jesus. 

682
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,800
For by grace, you have been 
saved through faith, and this is

683
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,080
not your own doing. 
It is a gift of God. 

684
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,760
And if you embrace this 
perspective, if you have 

685
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,240
accepted this, this gift of 
mercy from God, you will 

686
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,520
actually have the perspective 
and the power to forgive people 

687
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,120
in just a minute. 
I want to, I want to talk about 

688
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,000
how to practically go about that
when it seems impossible, but I 

689
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,560
don't want to leave this moment 
right here unless I ask you 

690
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,640
something. 
Have you experienced this level 

691
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,880
of forgiveness? 
Do do you understand what it 

692
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,120
looked like for God to forgive 
you? 

693
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:09,640
Do you know Jesus personally? 
Because you can only partake in 

694
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,720
His mercy if you have placed 
your faith in His finished work 

695
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:17,720
of salvation on the cross. 
The Bible says that you must 

696
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:19,320
place your faith in Him to be 
saved. 

697
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,920
Romans 10/9 and 10 says it this 
way because if you confess with 

698
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,600
your mouth that Jesus is Lord 
and believe in your heart that 

699
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,200
God raised him from the dead, 
you will be saved for with the 

700
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,280
heart. 1 believes and is 
justified and with the mouth. 1 

701
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,160
confesses and is saved. 
Do you know Him? 

702
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:45,680
Not, Not have you heard about 
Him not do you go to church? 

703
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,320
Not do you read your Bible? 
Do you know Him? 

704
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,200
Have you given your life to him 
to rule and to reign over? 

705
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,680
And so for just a brief moment, 
I want to give you a chance, if 

706
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,240
you've never done this, to place
your faith in Jesus because you 

707
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:06,240
must believe and declare. 
That's what Romans 10 tells us. 

708
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,680
You must believe that you need 
to be saved. 

709
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,440
You must believe that you're in 
need of a savior because you 

710
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,400
rebelled against God and 
therefore have no power to live 

711
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,480
perfectly on your own. 
You must believe that he rose 

712
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,560
from the dead in power with the 
desire to save you. 

713
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,000
You must believe that he is God 
and you must declare. 

714
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,400
You must declare him king of 
your life and Lord over you. 

715
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,320
You must declare surrender of 
your will and your desires to 

716
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,840
him who is perfect. 
You must declare him publicly 

717
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,920
and not be ashamed. 
So if you'd like to surrender 

718
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,120
your life to God today, I want 
to give you that chance. 

719
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,600
Would you for just a brief 
moment, close your eyes and bow 

720
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,280
your heads? 
We're wrapping up. 

721
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,960
If you've never done this, if 
you, if you want to surrender 

722
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,000
your life to God today, just 
quietly or even silently repeat 

723
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:05,000
this prayer after me. 
Jesus, I know I'm a Sinner and I

724
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:12,760
can't save myself. 
I want you to save me and adopt 

725
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,920
me into your family. 
I surrender everything to you, 

726
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:26,040
even my wounds, and I receive 
your promises of forgiveness, 

727
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:32,440
adoption and eternal life. 
Be my Lord. 

728
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:38,280
Please Jesus, if you prayed that
prayer for the very first time 

729
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,200
right now, would you be brave 
and raise your hand for me to 

730
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:46,800
see? 
Thank you, thank you can put 

731
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,560
your hands down. 
It's Jesus name, Amen. 

732
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,120
If you just gave your life to 
Jesus for the very first time, 

733
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:05,640
welcome to the family. 
In a few minutes, as we respond 

734
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,960
to the sermon, there's tables in
the back, they say. 

735
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,280
I raised my hand. 
We'll have people back there 

736
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,320
would love to talk to you and 
talk about what it looks like to

737
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,280
follow Jesus. 
We have a gift for you, some 

738
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,360
resources. 
We're excited for you, 

739
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,800
practically speaking. 
What about for the rest of us? 

740
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,920
Who, who, who know Jesus? 
And yet maybe there's someone 

741
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,200
that man, we just can't seem to 
forgive. 

742
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,200
It just seems impossible. 
How do you forgive someone when 

743
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:37,440
it seems impossible? 
There's a pastor named Pastor 

744
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,400
Skip Heitzig. 
He has this little three-step 

745
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,840
process. 
It's really simple and it's 

746
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,920
really hard. 
It's really simple. 

747
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,040
Upward, inward, outward, upward,
inward, outward. 

748
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,520
Step one, we start upward. 
You start forgiving somebody by 

749
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,760
going to God and praying for 
them. 

750
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,600
And if you're like, I don't want
to pray for them. 

751
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:04,000
I know that's why we go to God 
and pray for them. 

752
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,640
Because let me tell you one of 
the most serious things in the 

753
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,920
world. 
When you're really mad at 

754
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,040
somebody, angry or resentful or 
hurt by them, going into the 

755
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,080
throne room of God, into the 
Lord of the Lord and the King of

756
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,600
kings who created this universe 
into his throne room and 

757
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,160
speaking their name to him will 
begin to change. 

758
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,760
You begin to change your heart, 
and that's what needs changing. 

759
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,600
And so every day we're going to 
get up, we're going to go back 

760
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,280
to God and we're going to pray 
for them. 

761
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,280
And we're going to pray for 
their blessing and we're going 

762
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,200
to pray for their repentance. 
And we're going to pray for 

763
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,320
their salvation. 
And we're going to pray good on 

764
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:42,360
their life. 
And in that time with the Lord, 

765
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,400
we're actually going to focus on
how much we've been forgiven of 

766
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,440
so that we can remember the 
perspective of what he's done 

767
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,720
for us so we don't become the 
servant who's been forgiven. 

768
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:55,600
10,000 talents and wants to 
choke somebody out for a couple 

769
00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:00,720
Denarii going to start upward 
and then we're going to move 

770
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:04,080
inward. 
We're going to look inward. 

771
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,520
The first thing is you're not 
going to wait until you want to 

772
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,480
forgive that person. 
It's going to be a long wait. 

773
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,840
You're going to make a decision 
to forgive. 

774
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,200
When you make a decision to 
forgive, it's actually just the 

775
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,120
start of a long journey, and 
you're going to start that 

776
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,520
process and you're just one foot
in the other in front of the 

777
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,080
other, like as God does this 
work. 

778
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,840
Forgiveness is sometimes 1° at a
time, and it takes time. 

779
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,320
But the main thing is you don't 
stop. 

780
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,320
Because if you stop, you get 
stuck and you start to sink. 

781
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,520
And in those moments when 
resentment and bitterness begins

782
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,920
to bubble back up in our lives, 
we remember that I made a 

783
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:48,760
decision to forgive that person.
It's much the same when when you

784
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,600
love someone. 
Yeah, there might be these 

785
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,000
moments where you fall in love 
with them, but a lot of the 

786
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,080
moments of loving someone are 
really hard. 

787
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,320
We make a decision to love them 
even when our emotions don't 

788
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:57,960
match. 
Amen. 

789
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,960
The same thing goes forgiving 
people. 

790
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,040
We're getting acknowledge that 
it's a long journey. 

791
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,760
And we remember that we're also 
a perpetrator, not just a 

792
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,040
victim. 
And then thirdly, we're going to

793
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,560
reach outward. 
We're going to go to that 

794
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,920
person, if possible, to tell 
them we forgive them. 

795
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,280
And listen. 
Reconciliation may not be 

796
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,520
possible because forgiveness 
takes one person, but 

797
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,840
reconciliation takes 2. 
But even when reconciliation is 

798
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:40,960
not possible, peace is possible.
Even if that person isn't 

799
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,680
remorseful, even if that person 
hasn't earned it, peace is 

800
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,400
possible. 
So today I'm going to ask you to

801
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,800
make a commitment. 
The person, the conflict that 

802
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,080
has been bubbling up all service
long, you've been trying to not 

803
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,800
cross your arms, but you really 
want to. 

804
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,920
I want you to make a commitment 
to pray for them Today. 

805
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,440
I want you to make a commitment 
that you're going to forgive 

806
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,640
them, which means you're going 
to start a long journey. 

807
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,120
But let me explain why you need 
to do it. 

808
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,840
In Matthew 11 when Jesus 
explains what it's going to be 

809
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,040
like to put your faith in him, 
he says this. 

810
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,280
He says come to me, all who 
labor and are heavy laden, and I

811
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,680
will give you rest. 
Take my yoke upon you and learn 

812
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,360
from me, for I am gentle and 
lowly in heart and you will find

813
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:37,240
rest for your souls. 
Jesus is not simply telling you 

814
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:43,360
that His guidance is going to be
gentle and it's going to be 

815
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,200
freeing. 
He is telling you that. 

816
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,760
But you'll notice He's also 
telling you that you come to Him

817
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,160
heavy laden. 
Where does all that debt go? 

818
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,920
Where does all that heavy burden
go? 

819
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:03,880
He wants you to give it to Him. 
Some of us in the room have come

820
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,520
to Christ, but we refuse to give
him the burden that he asked 

821
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,680
for. 
And we've wondered now for a 

822
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,960
while, why has why has life felt
so difficult? 

823
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,480
Why have things changed? 
And, and because you actually 

824
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,120
have to give him the burden. 
So we choose to forgive today 

825
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,240
and let Jesus carry the burdens 
in our story. 

826
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:27,520
Joseph said something in that 
original story that's really 

827
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,160
profound. 
He said what you intended for 

828
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:37,080
evil, God used for good. 
Guys, if you will give over all 

829
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,360
those wounds to God, he will 
start using them for good. 

830
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,440
I promise you. 
That debt requires a payment, 

831
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:49,960
but Jesus already made that 
payment on the cross, and you're

832
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,480
carrying around something he 
already paid for. 

833
00:48:55,160 --> 00:49:00,320
If you'll give it to him, you'll
find that life with Jesus is a 

834
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,760
lot more freeing, a lot easier 
than you thought it was. 

835
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,560
Will you give it to him today? 
Stand with us. 

836
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,560
We're going to close in song. 
Our prayer team is going to come

837
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:13,600
up. 
We would love to pray with you 

838
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,800
about anything, whether it's 
about forgiveness, whether it's 

839
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,600
about your health, whether it's 
about anything that's going on 

840
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,800
in your life. 
We love the opportunity to pray 

841
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,160
for you and with you. 
And so our prayer team will be 

842
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,880
here. 
You guys move as the Lord leads.

843
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:25,560
We love you guys.
