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For shoulder support, I like to 
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support the operation of the 
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I like to move as the joint 
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So that's kind of what we're 
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You've got here's your bones all
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Got your elbow and then you're 
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activate this muscle 1st and 
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operation of the joint. 
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tape because it's directional 
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Hello and welcome to Curious 
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Today, it's all about equine 
kinesiology. 

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Oh yes, Rebecca Haddock has over
30 years experience in the 

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industry. 
She's a leader in equine 

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kinesiology, taping and whole 
horse Wellness. 

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Well, what is equine kinesiology
and how can it help our horses? 

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Not only ours, but equines with 
serious issues like paralysis 

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who have run out of options. 
Let's find out, shall we? 

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Rebecca, welcome to Curious 
Equestrian. 

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Thank you. 
I'm excited to be here today. 

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We are so excited to have you 
and I have to make a quick 

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disclaimer to yourself Rebecca 
and to our lovely listeners who 

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watch on YouTube. 
I have mud ingrained in my hands

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from feeding the horses this 
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scrubbed but I can't get it off.
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that I'm dirty and unhygienic, 
but I can't get the winter mud 

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out of my nails on my hands or 
the cuts in my hands. 

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No worries, no worries, no 
judgement here at all. 

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This is a judgement free zone 
here at Curious. 

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Oh dear. 
Well. 

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We're thrilled to have you, 
Rebecca. 

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And first of all, you know, 
something that I've never 

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explored is equine kinesiology. 
Can you talk us through what 

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that actually means? 
Sure. 

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That's a huge question and let's
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back like an onion kind of piece
by piece and make it easy. 

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Understandable. 
A kinesiology just means the 

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study of the body and movement, 
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OK. 
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this was in 1970 when the idea 
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and that was done by Doctor 
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And the idea is that as your 
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in in the human species before 
it moved on into any of the 

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other species, right. 
But what can we do externally to

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support you in movement while 
you're competing, right? 

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So it was done for human 
athletes, right? 

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So we saw it really big in the 
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players started wearing it up. 
The Olympics. 

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That's the only time I've. 
Seen it. 

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I've only seen it with athletes.
Human athletes, that is. 

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Exactly. 
So the idea is how can we better

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support our more fragile joints 
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we're going at, you know, 100%? 
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And then over time, it became a 
rehab tool, right? 

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So if you've ever seriously 
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wrist, anything like that, you 
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going to start using kinesiology
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I call it functional tape and we
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but to help you rehab, to help 
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thing. 
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we started changing the way we 
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We first saw kinesiology taping 
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kind of hit the equine world in 
around 2010 to 2012. 

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There's host of people who 
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So it was a transition from 
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And the problem is it's almost 
everything healthcare 

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transitions like that, OK. 
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very different, like your dog 
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like to compare the two like it 
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dog. 
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those attributes to horse and it
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right. 
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modality meant for a bipolar to 
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you know, and we now we're 
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prey, not predator, right. 
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based off of the original work 
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the 70s into the horse world. 
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studied it and studied it and 
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done a lot of field research, 
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that. 
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fine-tuned and fine-tuned to now
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traditional taping methods that 
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in the original introduction. 
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figure out things yearly now 
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that. 
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preventative. 
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when used in training and 
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groups, your big dressage groups
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jumpers can reduce injuries in 
their horses by over 80%, right?

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successfully there, but increase
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pain, massive reduction in pain.
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centers, like your big surgical 
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like that are using it post 
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it can reduce swelling and 
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It's really, really fast and 
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care that they need before they 
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I don't know about you guys, but
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all the way into fascia work. 
It's highly effective in fascia 

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work. 
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and they're like, yeah, yeah, 
I've been hearing about that 

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over the last so many years. 
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horse's life at any level, 
whether they work, don't work 

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anything. 
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And then we started, I started 
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that nobody else wanted to or 
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wouldn't be effective, like 
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string holes, PSM instabilities,
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deformities, contracted tendons,
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disorder, stuff like that. 
Scoliosis. 

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I'm the only person who has 
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I mean, she was so bad she was 
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Most horses are put down right 
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months old. 
She's two years today and fully 

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straight. 
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can I can I can I can I So what 
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for? 
I have a course at 16 hours long

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that that's all I talk about. 
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Lover and a shorter amount of 
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Wow, I've got so many. 
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Just from your first answer, 
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get into and I'm fascinated by 
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haven't been, you know, treated 
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when it first started being 
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Kind of how much has it come on 
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Man, I think that. 
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interesting, isn't it? 
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breakthrough that happening all 
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equines and, and what we can do 
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So kind of how has it come on 
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If you can think about it, in 
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back in 20/10/2012 when it came 
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comparative to the horse and 
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Wow, it's changed that much. 
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it. 
The physical structure of the of

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an equine tape. 
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I'm probably most known for Equi
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recently to Equitex Equine 
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of the changes were just so 
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It just couldn't stand next to 
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So my tape has been 100% built 
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It it's not even in comparison 
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or well any brand out there 
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And so you're talking about 
structural changes in the fabric

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to the adhesive. 
I have a completely different 

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type of adhesive to the way we 
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with the body as a human. 
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your skin, there's a lot of 
sensory that's happening in your

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skin because your skin, it's 
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OK, right. 
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from the minute you're born 
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your memories, not your brain, 
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And it learns and grows and that
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rewrites and copies in these 
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They have like a stored 
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OK, So if you at your age right 
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hot, if you touch it and you 
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instantly pull back. 
Your brain doesn't have to think

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about it. 
None of that, right? 

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It's an instant response. 
There are certain things that 

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you automatically know to do 
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right? 
So the tape on humans will, 

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because it's going on your skin 
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receptors, mechanoreceptors, 
sensory, all of that that's 

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going on that tells you about 
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Hot, cold, wind, rough pain, 
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pain, all of that kind of stuff.
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your body I'm hot sweat, so you 
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you warm up. 
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getting, you're interacting 
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So I had to change the modality 
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interact with just the hair and 
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hair root plexes and being able 
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mechanoreceptor into the fascia 
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Now before before we delve into 

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the fact that you have tackled 
some unbelievable cases like you

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and tell us Rebecca, how you 
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kinesiology and how it got on 
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Yeah, oh man. 
OK, so as a youngster, I fell in

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love with the horses. 
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some way, right? 
OK, so I've done everything in 

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the equine world. 
I was training with trainers and

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just decided that I loved 
babies, I love the cults, and I 

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was an incredibly strong cult 
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And so I went out on my own and 
I was starting cults for some of

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the biggest names in the 
industry and I just got known 

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me problem horses, which is not 
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to the same thing. 
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and still quite young. 
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all these problem horses had 
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behavioral problems, they had 
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And I was like, well, now I got 
to fix the pain, right? 

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And so then I'm like every 
modality in the world, I'm 

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having to like get more and more
people here, get the 

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chiropractor, get da da, da, da.
And I was like, screw this, I'm 

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going to learn how to do it. 
And that started my, my kind of 

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post grad education. 
I had my bachelor's done in nine

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And so for me, I started my 
postgrad in health and different

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things, bio mechanics and just I
piece mealed what I wanted, 

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right? 
And I started to build my own 

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education based off of what I 
wanted to do with it. 

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So here I am fixing people's 
horses for not really what I 

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wanted to do. 
I'm a huge STEM person, love the

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sciences and I'm very creative. 
And so I was like, OK, I want 

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to, I want to go as far as I can
and I want to answer all the 

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questions, right? 
I have always had questions. 

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I just want to answer all the 
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out the why, you know, the, the 
right question is so much more 

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important than the answer. 
OK, so here I am, this is the 

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human I am and I have a horse 
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have this massive gash in their 
side. 

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They had had it stitched four or
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This stitches wouldn't hold, 
nothing would hold, nothings 

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working. 
They tried all the different 

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modalities and they're like, I 
know that you fix horses. 

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Not normally, you know, you 
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time, now I'm known for rehab, 
right? 

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So it was like I was a cold 
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It was great for that. 
And then now I'm known for rehab

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and everybody's bringing me 
these incredibly different 

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difficult rehab cases. 
Like my vets are just blowing me

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up all the time. 
Hey, I got another one. 

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You know, I'm like, oh, OK, it's
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but I'm going. 
And so this poor mayor, nothing 

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worked on her. 
And I was like, I'm going to try

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taping, right? 
So it was, it was a thing where 

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it was like, I'm going to try 
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There was no education out. 
You couldn't get certified, 

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really none of that stuff. 
But I was like, I'm going to try

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it. 
And I tried it and the wound 

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healed up real fast. 
And I was like, what? 

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Hold on, hold on, hold on. 
Wait, wait, wait. 

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And that was it. 
So hook, line and sinker, I was 

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done. 
I hooked up with a lot of the 

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people who were starting back 
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Every every one of them I have 
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for years or we consult together
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And so we were all just kind of 
going and coming together and 

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splitting apart and coming 
together and, and I just went 

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off in a very different world. 
You know, a lot of people get to

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a place and they stop in that 
place and they're happy in that 

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place. 
And I just have never been able 

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to do that. 
Like I just don't, I don't stop 

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and get happy. 
I'm like, OK, what's the next 

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thing? 
I think I could do that. 

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Let me try that. 
You know, the first paralysis 

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horse was a horse that was had a
colic, went into surgery when 

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they were pulling them off the 
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And you know the way they start 
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right? 
And so you have something that 

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braces around the head and they 
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That's why a lot of horses come 
out with pull and TMJ issues, 

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stuff like that out of 
surgeries. 

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So this horse came out with full
right side paralysis and he had 

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he had improved about 20% by the
time I started working with him 

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and I got him fully and that was
at 8 months, he was still only 

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progressed 20%. 
I started working with his owner

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and within 8 weeks he was 100% 
just taping him. 

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So you know, things like that. 
I was just like, OK, I'll, I'll 

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try, let me try that, let me try
that. 

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And then I started, well, I 
wonder if I could affect the 

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horses that deal with allergies 
or get hives or heaves or things

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like that. 
And it so I tell people like, if

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you've got something I haven't 
tried, bring it to me because at

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this point in time, every single
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deformity, dysfunction, I've 
used the tape to increase either

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their prognosis, how comfortable
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them completely, you know, just 
depending on what it is. 

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I have to kind of lift my jaw 
up, Rebecca, because I realized 

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I'm kind of gaping my jaw open 
in either like, admiration, 

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shock or, you know, wow, you 
know, it's science, but it's 

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also magic, isn't it? 
Listening to you talk and 

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especially about the variety of 
different cases, many like me, 

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probably will do what I'm about 
to say and think, yes, you know,

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kinesiology, it's about 
athletes, it's about muscles, 

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and it's about, you know, 
recovering muscles, 

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rehabilitating muscles. 
I never even began to think 

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about things like hives or 
paralysis or all these hugely 

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different, you know, huge 
spectrum of issues. 

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How did you begin to be a bit 
more experimental and think 

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actually this could fix this 
horse in a terrible situation? 

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I would say that's a good 
question. 

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You know, I do a lot of 
interviews and I lecture all the

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time, so I always get questions 
and I lecture colleges all the 

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way to like post grad stuff. 
And so I get random questions, 

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you know, and I can tell you 
that's probably the first time 

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I've got that. 
What made me say let me try. 

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I think it's probably 
personality. 

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I think everybody tells me God 
broke the mold when he made me. 

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I'm like, that's true. 
Yeah. 

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I'm. 
I'm unique. 

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Honestly, I think it boils down 
to this. 

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All right, OK, so not only is 
the tape extremely effective, 

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right, but you know why did? 
Who decides? 

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Well, I'm going to make my 
career out of this, my 

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livelihood out of this. 
I'm going to put everything I 

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have into it. 
I did Why? 

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Well, it's so Dang cost 
effective it's not even funny, 

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man. 
I mean, 13 bucks a roll. 

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OK, help me out here. 
So, and, and my education, I 

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make it very cost effective and 
I'll teach anyone, I don't care 

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who you are, you're a horse 
owner, you're a professional 

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writer, a groom, a breeder, a 
trainer, healthcare provider, I 

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don't care. 
I'm going to teach you. 

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I threw away all the rules. 
I took the rule book and I threw

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it away. 
I was like, why, Why can't I 

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teach somebody how to do it? 
That's dumb. 

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And so because of that, that 
came from kind of how I grew up.

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I grew up very poor, very poor 
and. 

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As a young adult, like I 
graduated high school, 16 moved 

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out, like I've been on my own, 
paying my own bills and you 

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know, super broke and eating 
ramen noodles and frozen 

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burritos, you know, that are 
$0.25 a piece back in the day. 

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And so one of the things that I 
loved about it was how cost 

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effective it was. 
And no matter because I have, I 

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have traveled a lot, when I 
still have my private practice, 

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people would fly me out to 
different countries to work on 

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their world champion jumper. 
And while I was there, I would 

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go around to all the poor farms 
and I would teach. 

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Let me show you how to do this 
yourself. 

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That way you can help your herd 
and you can afford to do it 

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right. 
So I would do that no matter 

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where I went and, well, shit, 
I'd be standing out on the 

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middle of a friggin 2000 acre 
pasture with a whole herd of 

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horses around me. 
I've got a box of tape, a pair 

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of scissors, and I'm going to 
damn try and fix it. 

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And that's really where where it
came from is. 

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Why not try? 
It's not going to hurt. 

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There are no contraindications, 
no species anywhere ever. 

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Do we have a recorded injury 
from using tape on an animal or 

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a human. 
So here we are. 

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I can't hurt the animal. 
I might as well try. 

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And if I can give you or anybody
the gift in any country, you 

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know, education so that you know
how to do it yourself and keep 

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my prices low, cost effective so
you can afford to do it, then I 

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can help horses everywhere, 
right? 

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And after I get testimonial 
after testimonial after 

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testimonial about, you know, you
saved my horse's life, you saved

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my horse's life like this saved 
my horse's life. 

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I can't tell you how much this 
it saved my life, right? 

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Then I keep trying and I keep 
trying. 

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I keep trying. 
And so I look at it this way, 

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like I don't care if you're, 
you're poor and you live in 

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Russia or you're wealthy and you
live in New Zealand, Both of you

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deserve the same opportunity to 
help your horse and give them 

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the very best you can. 
And so that's, I think that's 

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why I do it. 
I think that's why I, no matter 

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what I keep doing it, no matter 
how tired I get, no matter the 

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trolls on the social media, it 
doesn't matter the enemies that 

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come against you and the whole 
process. 

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I just keep going for that horse
out there that you know, will 

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save that horse's life, too. 
Put it on the board. 

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It's so inspiring because we 
know owning horses and looking 

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after horses, it takes so 
expensive. 

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It takes a great deal of money 
to look after a horse, let 

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alone, you know, multiples. 
And we all want the best for our

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horses. 
And so often we can reach kind 

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of bricks and, you know, bricks 
in the wall, I was about to say,

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but we can reach, you know, 
walls in our path where we just 

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don't know what to do next. 
And the vet kind of scratches 

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their heads and, but sometimes 
you get 2 vets kind of looking, 

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not really sure. 
And that's when you can step in.

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I mean, how many times have you 
had that where people have 

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reached that brick wall with the
vets and actually come to you 

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kind of in desperation? 
All the time, Thousands and 

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thousands and thousands of time,
You know, in the veterinary 

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world, we call that a 
dysfunction. 

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If we can't give it a diagnosis 
name, we're going to call it a 

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dysfunction. 
And that's no disrespect to our 

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wonderful vets either, but it's 
just sometimes you're not. 

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You've reached that point, don't
you? 

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OK. 
I I think, let me clear this up 

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for the everyday horse person 
real quick. 

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Number one, your vet will never 
be able to specialize in your 

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entire horse. 
Just get that out of your mind, 

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OK? 
The vets will tell you what 

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they're good at. 
Ask them straight up. 

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Just ask them the honest 
question. 

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What are you good at? 
Generally, there are one trick 

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ponies. 
Sometimes they might have two. 

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OK, so your vet might tell you 
why I'm really good at lameness 

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and Airways. 
I'm really good at colic. 

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I'm good at reproductive. 
OK. 

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We can't expect our vets to be 
anything other than what you 

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would expect. 
When you walk in your doctor's 

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office, do you go see your 
cardiologist for a foot issue? 

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No. 
OK, so stop expecting the 

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impossible out of your vets. 
Right? 

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So first and foremost, they 
don't know the entire animal's 

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body. 
You know, there's a reason that 

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when a vet sits down with me, 
they look at me and they're 

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like, how are you that good at 
equine anatomy? 

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This is all I do. 
I don't work on bovine. 

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I don't work on canine. 
I don't work. 

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I only do horses so I can 
specialize in the equine body 

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and I'm very, very good at it, 
right. 

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So yes, you are going to many, 
many times have an issue with 

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your horse and that is not the 
trick pony that your vet is. 

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So you've got to find the right 
vet for the right thing for them

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to really narrow down a 
diagnosis and or you have to 

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have a lot of money for imaging,
X-rays, Mr. is that kind of 

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thing. 
I don't know, I haven't checked,

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but I don't think the UK has an 
MRI big enough for a horse right

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now. 
So there are very few countries 

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that have MRI machines big 
enough for a horse and the US 

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only has two. 
Just so you know, in comparison 

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of size, we only have two. 
So the everyday horse owner is 

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not going to have the money to 
put their horse in an MRI 

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machine to figure out what's 
going on. 

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So we tend to be the most 
people's last call until we fix 

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their horse really fast, and 
then we're always their first 

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call after that, right? 
So I have thousands of customers

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all around the world, 26 
different countries I've got 

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certified practitioners in, and 
they're all very successful and 

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do very well because it only 
takes you fixing your horse one 

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time with my modality, and then 
that's what you're going to do 

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every time. 
OK, so my horse, case in point, 

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she's amazing. 
I love her. 

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Love of my life, Jetta, she 
walks up lame. 

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Happens all the time. 
Everybody's horse does this 

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many, many times. 
She walks up lame. 

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You know, I do a real quick scan
to make sure that I don't feel 

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heat. 
If I feel heat, then you know, I

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go One Direction diagnostically.
If I don't feel heat, I go this 

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direction diagnostically, right?
I taper, I mean she's 3 legged, 

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lame. 
I taper within 24 hours, 

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noticeable difference. 
She's completely sound within 

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three days. 
And then, you know, we move on 

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with our life like that. 
That's my world now, right? 

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I do have vets. 
I do have, you know, there are 

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certain things that I won't do 
to a horse, like teeth, right? 

446
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,280
So my vet comes and does their 
teeth for me because I'm just 

447
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,160
not going to do that and I'm 
just not but right. 

448
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:39,320
So it's not like, and and that's
what I want people to see is 

449
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,160
that's what I want them to be 
able to experience themselves. 

450
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,160
That's why I wrote the book 
Stick with Success, right? 

451
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,600
Like I want you guys to 
experience it yourself. 

452
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,200
And then when you know you can 
do a lot of things and you can 

453
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,040
affect a lot, and you can help 
your horse in a ton of different

454
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,560
ways. 
What happens is you don't really

455
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,680
get as freaked out when one of 
them has a big old gash or 

456
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,560
someone's lame or someone you 
know is acting funny or 

457
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,000
whatever. 
The more knowledge you have, the

458
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,960
more powerful you are in 
positively influencing your 

459
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,800
horse. 
A lot of people notice that when

460
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,320
you start taping your horse, you
build a better bond with them. 

461
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,800
All of a sudden your horse is 
coming to you without a cookie, 

462
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,440
without a carrot, not during 
feeding time. 

463
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,600
They start associating. 
This doesn't feel good. 

464
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,720
You made it better, right? 
So we're supposed to be the head

465
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,600
of their heart. 
We're supposed to protect them, 

466
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,360
get them out of danger, keep 
them safe, watch over them. 

467
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,400
But when you start ticking all 
those boxes for your horse, they

468
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,240
want to be around you. 
So a lot of people are like, my 

469
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,600
relationship with my horse is so
much better since I've been 

470
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,640
doing this. 
Yes. 

471
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,680
Like those are things you should
experience just by doing this. 

472
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:54,200
And so, yeah, there, there's 
just so many beautiful parts to 

473
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,680
it that it's, you know, I, 
that's why I'm still excited 

474
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,240
about it today. 
It's why you still push 

475
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,680
everyday, you know? 
And Rebecca, just talk us 

476
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,880
through. 
We're not scientists listening 

477
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,320
to speak, but just talk us 
through what is in that type? 

478
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,480
What does the trick? 
Why is it so healing for so many

479
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,360
different issues? 
Matt, it's just understanding 

480
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,160
the way the body functions it is
made out of. 

481
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:30,680
I have two specialized tapes, 1 
is a cotton based tape and then 

482
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,040
it like I said, I have a 
proprietary adhesive on it for 

483
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,040
the horse, but it's medical 
grade and latex free. 

484
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,120
So it can go on post surgical 
like I said. 

485
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,600
And then I have another one that
is 100% nylon and it's built to 

486
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,200
stretch in all different ways, 
super high tensile strength, 

487
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,560
same adhesive. 
So there is absolutely nothing 

488
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:58,480
special in it. 
OK, but the right blend, the 

489
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,200
right amount of stretch in the 
tape and they're right adhesive 

490
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,600
is huge. 
So why would my EFT tape work 

491
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,600
better than say, Rock Tape on 
your horse? 

492
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,040
They're built 2 very different 
ways. 

493
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,520
Now Rock Tape's going to work 
phenomenal on you. 

494
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,200
I would not suggest you use EFT 
on your own skin though. 

495
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:21,080
It's not built for you, right? 
So that's that's one of the big 

496
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,400
pieces. 
The second big piece is I teach 

497
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,600
you how exactly to do it so you 
don't have to guess. 

498
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,480
You're not looking at a picture 
that you see on Instagram or 

499
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,760
Facebook or YouTube or 
something, like you're not 

500
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,920
looking at a picture and trying 
to reproduce that based off of 

501
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,880
an image. 
I'm going to tell you exactly 

502
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,840
where to put it exactly, the 
amount of tension to use in the 

503
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,440
tape or the stretch to use in 
the tape. 

504
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,280
And I'm going to tell you why it
works, right? 

505
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:52,680
If you've got a hypertonic 
spasming muscle, you have to 

506
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,880
take the muscle from insertion 
to origin, right? 

507
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,400
So a muscle attaches to bones, 
right? 

508
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,400
Well, technically the muscle 
attaches to a tendon, which then

509
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,760
attaches to a bone. 
But let's just, we're going to 

510
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,080
simplify, right? 
So my bicep, right, my origin 

511
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,480
point is going to be closest to 
the midline of my body, and the 

512
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,840
insertion point is going to be 
furthest away. 

513
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,080
And the way the muscle 
functions, what it its only job 

514
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,320
is to take this bone, right my 
forearm and move it to my 

515
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,640
shoulder. 
That it it it has one job in 

516
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,280
life. 
Really most I mean, it does have

517
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,160
a secondary job, but let's just 
stay focused on the simple, 

518
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,760
easy, right streamline. 
Definitely. 

519
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,640
It's still easy, right? 
It just bones take bones are 

520
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,000
your structure. 
Muscle moves your bones, right? 

521
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,080
It's simply easy life. 
OK, if I have a spasming muscle,

522
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,960
I'm sure each of you in your own
life have had a spasming muscle 

523
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,400
at one point in time. 
Like it just won't let go and it

524
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,560
hurts. 
OK, if you take that from the 

525
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,800
insertion point, you have to 
find the insertion point. 

526
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,600
That's key. 
But hey, Google AI, Siri, Alexa,

527
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,080
all those stuff will tell you 
insertion and origin points of 

528
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,160
any muscle. 
Cool, So easy. 

529
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,920
You can do a simple Google 
search and find it out. 

530
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,000
I'm telling you like write these
secrets down and you tape it 

531
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,240
from insertion point to origin 
point at 2020% stretch. 

532
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:20,240
OK, give it about 30 minutes. 
Within 30 minutes you will have 

533
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:26,440
a a pain response. 
You the pain will be less OK, It

534
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,040
will start telling the goal GTO.
So it's goalie tendon organ 

535
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,280
response and what that is the 
only job of that in your muscle 

536
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,040
is that when you Max out your 
muscle, your whole muscle goes 

537
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,840
dead. 
You ever like done a bunch of 

538
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,600
push ups and you literally just 
fall to the floor? 

539
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,240
OK, that's a GTO kicking in. 
It's so you don't shred your 

540
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,000
muscles, tendons or ligaments. 
It's very important piece to 

541
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,680
your anatomy. 
So the, the recoil of the tape 

542
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,320
in every movement you do, even 
just moving your hands around a 

543
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,440
little bit will send a small 
signal to the insertion point of

544
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,480
the muscle where the GTO lives 
that says relax, get long, 

545
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,240
relax, get long. 
And so you stop the spasm, you 

546
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,600
get them out of hypertonic, 
boom, you're done. 

547
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,360
You're fixed, right? 
So the magic is in exactly where

548
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,040
to put it and exactly how much 
stretch put it in and know what 

549
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,720
you're doing. 
And that's what I do. 

550
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,280
I teach you exactly where and 
how to do it and then I take it.

551
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:30,600
So it's taken me from 2010 to 
roughly now to gather the amount

552
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,360
of case studies I have and done 
as much clinical research as I 

553
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,760
have and others have done 
clinical research. 

554
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,960
But every protocol I teach you, 
everything I teach you has now 

555
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,960
been studied and proven 
clinically. 

556
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,240
So it's not will it work? 
It's not might help. 

557
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,200
No, it's proven. 
I have proven it in every right.

558
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,400
So I have proven that if you 
stretch at this point, attach 

559
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,200
here, attach here, this will 
happen. 

560
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,880
It will happen each and every 
time. 

561
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,840
So if it doesn't happen, you did
it wrong. 

562
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,800
And that's OK because I also 
teach you how do you figure out 

563
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,120
if you've done it wrong? 
I have made it very simple. 

564
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:12,719
So the magic is probably just in
well, the fact that I have spent

565
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,440
this much time figuring out what
is that exact thing because you 

566
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,719
can't research it until you 
figure out the exact thing 

567
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,120
that's actually happening, 
right? 

568
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,280
So what is the exact thing? 
And then how do I teach it to 

569
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,880
anybody, right? 
How do I teach it to non 

570
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,920
doctorates? 
How do I teach it to somebody 

571
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,159
who hasn't spent 15 years 
studying equine anatomy right 

572
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,480
with it scares people when I 
tell them you have to tape 

573
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,120
insertion origin until I say, 
hey, you can find that insertion

574
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,520
point on Google. 
Oh, OK. 

575
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,679
Yeah, that's easy. 
I can do that, right? 

576
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,440
Yeah, that's the magic I love. 
That you are empowering horse 

577
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,440
owners, Rebecca, as well, 
because like you said, we all 

578
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,480
like to feel that in a crisis we
have a better understanding of 

579
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,920
what we can do before we have to
call a vet or a farrier or an 

580
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,400
expert to come out. 
It's always better if we can 

581
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,360
kind of get a handle on the 
situation first, not only for 

582
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,800
the expense of it and the money 
in our banks that, you know, we 

583
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,640
need to hold on to when we've 
got horses, but also for the 

584
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,280
sense of control as horse 
owners. 

585
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,840
Because I'm sure I'm not the 
only one that feels like 

586
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,440
anything can go wrong at any 
point. 

587
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,400
Because there are so many things
we need to get our head around 

588
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,920
with horses. 
And this feeling of actually 

589
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,440
knowing I can do this in this 
scenario is such a brilliant one

590
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:29,640
throughout the seasons. 
Yeah, there's, you know, in the 

591
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:32,680
book. 
Have you, did you get the 

592
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,760
opportunity to to see it yet? 
Stick with success. 

593
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,480
No, I would love a copy if 
there's one going, but if not 

594
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,840
I'll buy one after the episode 
because when you said it and I 

595
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,640
thought, oh, I need to get my 
eyes stuck into this. 

596
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,040
Yeah, it's available on Kindle. 
So you can like download it 

597
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,760
today and start reading it and 
that it's also available on 

598
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,320
Amazon all over. 
So and I think they're they're 

599
00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:01,200
printing on demand. 
So we, we talk about so many 

600
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,680
different things. 
I wanted a book almost like a, 

601
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,240
you know, you wish your horse 
came with a handbook. 

602
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,400
It's kind of like a handbook, 
right? 

603
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,800
I'm going to bring up a lot of 
different things. 

604
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,720
I'm going to tell you all the 
stuff that nobody really wants 

605
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,680
to tell you. 
I say the quiet part out loud. 

606
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,120
What does pain actually look 
like in your horse? 

607
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,480
How do you, how do you recognize
that that thing that they're 

608
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,480
doing right now there, that's 
pain. 

609
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,280
Because one of the issues I see 
with most horse owners is their 

610
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,600
horses screaming and yelling at 
them. 

611
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,040
I'm in pain. 
I'm in pain and they don't 

612
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,680
recognize it, right? 
And so first, we want to deal 

613
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,800
with that. 
Second, in order to empower you,

614
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,840
I have to educate you. 
So the book is a lot of 

615
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,200
education, but I do it in my 
traditional style, A lot of 

616
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,360
jokes, a lot of wittiness. 
I want you to enjoy it. 

617
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,160
I I don't want you to be reading
it and be like, oh, this is like

618
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,720
a textbook. 
I want you to read it and be 

619
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,520
like, I don't want to put this 
thing down. 

620
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,280
So lots of lots of fun stuff, a 
lot of jokes in there, real 

621
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:06,880
world, real horse cases that I 
talk about how we did it, but we

622
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:12,400
talk a lot about nutrition and 
lifestyle, things you're doing 

623
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,120
with your horse you don't 
realize is causing issues with 

624
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:20,520
your horse. 
So for that exact reason, as a 

625
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:28,040
horse owner, you feel more 
confident and more secure with 

626
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,160
more education and understanding
the horse and knowing about 

627
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,960
them. 
Not what somebody tells you, not

628
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,960
an opinion. 
This is fact, this is science. 

629
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,320
So everything in that book, if I
tell you about feeding your 

630
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,680
horse, I'm telling you 
scientifically, your horse's 

631
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,520
body was designed to have food 
in its belly all the time. 

632
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:57,840
So if you want to get away from 
colics and ulcers and 

633
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,280
digestional issues and all kinds
of stuff like that, then your 

634
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:06,520
horse is designed right. 
His anatomy is designed to eat 

635
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,720
little bits of food all day 
long, so you can get rid of 90% 

636
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:16,160
of your digestion issues and 
colic issues and ulcers and crap

637
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,960
like that just by feeding your 
horse little bits of food all 

638
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,320
day long. 
Like I tell you the science, 

639
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,560
here's what is actually going on
with your horse. 

640
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,240
And here's the trick right 
here's here's, in layman's 

641
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:29,560
terms, free feed. 
That's what we need. 

642
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,080
We need layman's terms. 
We need myth Busters, don't we? 

643
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:34,760
Exactly. 
Exactly. 

644
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,760
Many opinions. 
In section of that. 

645
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,520
Isn't there? 
There's so many opinions in the 

646
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,520
equestrian world and judgment. 
We mentioned judgement at the 

647
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,720
beginning. 
There is so much judgement in 

648
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:47,520
the equestrian world and it it 
comes at you from every angle, 

649
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,680
whether it be if you've got a 
horsey family or friends or 

650
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,840
where you keep your horse at the
yard or the stables or it might 

651
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,160
be an instructor, It could be 
the the. 

652
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,520
Advertisers do it to. 
You all the time they do. 

653
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,600
Yes, it is. 
Hardcore man from every 

654
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,000
direction. 
It is, you know, we'll put it 

655
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,840
this way, it's so hard to 
breakthrough the noise to get to

656
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,120
the fact, right? 
And because of social media, 

657
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,720
because so much stuff is on 
demand, so much is going on all 

658
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:24,160
the time, it's really hard to 
know what's an actual fact. 

659
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,040
And I think that's one of the 
biggest. 

660
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,360
I think that's why my customers,
my certified practitioners, they

661
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,880
believe me, they trust me and 
they love me is because I'm so 

662
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,440
transparent. 
And it's in the modality, it's 

663
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,080
in my website, it's in my social
media, it's in the books I 

664
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,880
write. 
I'm just super transparent here 

665
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,120
is the fact, right? 
Because we have to deal with the

666
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,800
noise and the drama all the 
time. 

667
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:57,480
It's so interesting to sit 
amongst a group of equestrians 

668
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,760
and just listen to the little 
opinions and Oh well, I do this 

669
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,560
with my horse because. 
You know, my grandpa told me 

670
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,960
this one thing and I da da, da, 
da da, or my friend did this and

671
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,400
I saw him do that and da, da, 
da, da, da. 

672
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,000
And so it's really difficult at 
times. 

673
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,640
But then once somebody gets to 
say, oh, well, that makes sense.

674
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,080
You mean the the horse's stomach
is not designed to sit and eat 2

675
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,480
flakes of hay in a bucket of 
grain in one setting? 

676
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,160
No, Well, that makes sense. 
Like the stomach can't handle 

677
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,000
that. 
No. 

678
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,440
And neither can his intestines. 
This is why we have such big 

679
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,280
issues, right? 
Oh, OK. 

680
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,040
Well, now when when it's just 
laid out like that, that make 

681
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,840
that that's facts. 
OK, so we do all of that stuff 

682
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,040
and the goal. 
Of your work is the real. 

683
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,040
Information. 
The whole horse approach is not 

684
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,800
just about taping, it's also 
about every aspect of the horse.

685
00:40:54,920 --> 00:41:00,600
In fact, on my website I have a 
free protocol library. 

686
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,440
Pretty much everything you can 
think of that goes wrong with 

687
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,360
your horse, right Pigeon toed, 
contracted tendons, lower leg 

688
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,560
injuries, prevention, neurologic
issues, mayor issues. 

689
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,560
You know when your mayor's in 
seizure, she's super marry to 

690
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,120
heaves, hives, allergies, 
seasonal allergies. 

691
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,360
It's all in my protocol library 
and it's all for free. 

692
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,600
All of it. 
OK, and I'm going to tell you in

693
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,600
there, make sure you're feeding 
this kind of thing. 

694
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,360
If you've, if you've got a 
fracture, a tear, a rupture or 

695
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,320
something like that, you need to
increase your calcium, your 

696
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,440
protein, your magnesium. 
Like I, I go through and tell 

697
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,640
you all the stuff for free. 
And this is scientifically 

698
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,000
what's going to help you 
lifestyle. 

699
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,640
Like we talked about lifestyle. 
I spend a whole section talking 

700
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,240
about stop stalling your horses.
They just don't do it. 

701
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:50,840
Stall rest is not good. 
Your horse will have psychosis 

702
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,360
within 72 hours. 
You're going to get muscle 

703
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,560
atrophy in 48 hours and bone 
density starts decreasing within

704
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,360
24 hours. 
Knock it off. 

705
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,040
Stop doing it. 
It's not going to help your 

706
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,760
horse. 
So we talked about all of that 

707
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,640
stuff. 
But for that, I want to empower 

708
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,400
you. 
I want to give you all of the 

709
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,600
ammunition. 
I want to give you education 

710
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,800
because nobody can take it from 
you. 

711
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,080
It will never grow old. 
It won't. 

712
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,040
Your education will stay with 
you forever. 

713
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,880
And so if I educate you and now 
all the sudden you're like, oh, 

714
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,920
a simple lifestyle change with 
my horse and I tape them with 

715
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,040
this $13 roll of tape for about 
four weeks and I'm going to see 

716
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,360
that massive of a difference. 
Yes, holy crap, you just changed

717
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,160
my life and. 
Their life. 

718
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,480
Now you've got to Rebecca, we 
were all hooked when you 

719
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,680
mentioned some of your most 
extreme cases. 

720
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,720
Can you talk us through what 
happened when you took on? 

721
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,560
Let's start with the paralysis 
case that you threw in. 

722
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,400
That was it. 
It was a mic drop moment when 

723
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,680
you said that. 
Can you talk us through what 

724
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,000
horse you met and the situation 
it was in and how the 

725
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,000
kinesiology helped this horse to
save this horse? 

726
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:06,840
So I was doing a in person 
certification course and one of 

727
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,360
the students there asked me if I
would be willing to come look at

728
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:16,240
her horse. 
And generally when I, when I 

729
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,720
teach, well, I, I stopped 
teaching live a while ago 

730
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,040
because now everything's 
digital, right? 

731
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,160
It's just easier. 
And so I would get asked that 

732
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,240
question all the time and I'd go
and I absolutely let me, let me 

733
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:32,000
see your horse. 
So I went and just a super sweet

734
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:39,200
horse and her name was Pam and. 
She's like, she's like, be just 

735
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,080
put a. 
Little lip, it's just like 

736
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,680
droopy here. 
And the little ears are droopy 

737
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,360
and the eyes like, you know, And
I was like, yeah, so I did a 

738
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,080
simple application on him. 
And I said, just keep this up 

739
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,560
for the next. 
Is that neurologic application? 

740
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,040
I, you know, I teach people how 
to do that all the time. 

741
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,120
Like, just keep this up for a 
while. 

742
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,000
And she's like, you really think
it's going to work? 

743
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,520
And I was like, well, we're 
going to see, aren't we? 

744
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:03,160
I mean, it's the first paralyzed
horse. 

745
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,480
I'm working. 
I'm like, how about you? 

746
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,040
And she's like, OK, yeah. 
I called her. 

747
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:14,280
No, I believe she texted me two 
days later and was and sent me a

748
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,440
picture of his lip fully 
closing. 

749
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,280
Wow, yeah. 
You know, and then within 

750
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,840
another couple days, like the 
ears, like do what? 

751
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,920
No. 
Do you know how the horse became

752
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,560
paralyzed? 
What actually caused the? 

753
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,280
Yeah, getting off the the table 
from the colic surgery, it was 

754
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,040
in that when they pulled up they
called nerve damage and it 

755
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,360
happens to a lot of them, causes
nerve damage in the pole, in 

756
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,640
some of the facial nerves, 
things like that. 

757
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,840
That's why you see that 
paralysis that goes down through

758
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,840
the ear, the eye and the lip. 
That was Rebecca. 

759
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,240
For those who've never seen 
taping on on those areas, did 

760
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:52,480
you have to tape down the head 
and round the like round the 

761
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,240
ears? 
How do you how do you tape in 

762
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,680
that scenario? 
So the idea. 

763
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,480
Is OK, so it worked, right? 
And then I had to ask myself why

764
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,360
did it work, how did it work and
can I reproduce it? 

765
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,600
So that's how it always goes. 
So then I spent a lot of time 

766
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,880
finding other horses with 
paralysis and reproducing. 

767
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,800
Reproducing until I can nail 
down and tell you exactly why 

768
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,280
scientifically it's working. 
OK, So what we do is we 

769
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:23,960
decompress the spine, wherever 
in the spine the original injury

770
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,000
happened. 
Because it, if we, I want you to

771
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,880
picture your spine like a 
highway, a big 48 lane highway. 

772
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,600
You've got 4 lanes going One 
Direction, 4 going the other. 

773
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:42,960
OK, neuro deficit is a 20 car 
pile up that stops all 8 lanes 

774
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,840
of traffic. 
OK, so we can have them for a 

775
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,880
million reasons. 
This horse, it was coming off 

776
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,640
the table, being pulled off the 
the table. 

777
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,040
Some horses it's flipping over a
fence. 

778
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,080
Some horses it's trailer 
accidents. 

779
00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,240
Some horses it's a toxic plant 
that causes neuro deficits. 

780
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:06,000
Some horses, it's a a parasite 
that causes different neurologic

781
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,520
issues, right. 
So it doesn't matter what 

782
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,120
started the neurologic issue. 
What matters is that we have a 

783
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,640
highway with a 20 car pile up 
all right, So decompressing the 

784
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,600
spine, so we find where that 
pile up is. 

785
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,880
So for this horse it was in the 
pole and when we decompress. 

786
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,560
The spine that's like. 
Bringing the records in and 

787
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,000
they're going to start pulling a
one car out, another car out 

788
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,880
another. 
Now we got one lane of traffic 

789
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,520
moving right now. 
Then we send these little 

790
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,200
tentacles along the neural 
pathway that's damaged. 

791
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,280
So for this horse, it went 
around his ear, went around his 

792
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,040
eye, went down his mandible to 
where his lips are. 

793
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:54,080
OK. 
And this is like sending 20 

794
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,240
record. 
Teams there. 

795
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,960
To pull as many cars out as 
possible. 

796
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,280
How does it work scientifically?
Well, nerves, when they're 

797
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,680
damaged, there are a couple 
stages that can happen. 

798
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:10,640
We can have where it's damaged, 
but not death, right? 

799
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,280
And so we're not being able to 
send the signal to the brain and

800
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,480
then back to maybe the muscle or
or whatever. 

801
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,040
It could be a tendon or a 
ligament, but the signal is 

802
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,800
being blocked. 
And so that's why that 

803
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,520
decompression on the spine, 
that's the first thing we do, 

804
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,960
because if we just unblock the 
signal, it could come back 

805
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,360
really, really fast, right? 
If we have inflammation, 

806
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,960
inflammation, fluid stasis, 
that's like. 

807
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,360
Bruising Hematomas. 
Or just fluid sitting underneath

808
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,240
the skin, lymphatic fluid 
sitting there. 

809
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:47,200
It's called fluid stasis. 
That will also dampen your 

810
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,880
nerves so they can't receive and
send signals. 

811
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,080
So same principle. 
We're moving the fluid away, 

812
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,600
we're taking that away. 
That's more cars for getting off

813
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,080
the highway. 
And the last is nerve death, 

814
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,560
right? 
If if maybe the nerve was 

815
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:07,080
severed somehow or it just was 
compressed for so long it 

816
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,680
actually died off those 
tentacles that run along to 

817
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,320
wherever the problem is, if 
there's been nerve death, it 

818
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,640
starts to create new neural 
pathways. 

819
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,720
You're like, well, is that even 
possible? 

820
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,880
Yes. 
So Harvard did a study that 

821
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,360
proved that you can create new 
neural pathways. 

822
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,120
And so I use the tape to unlock 
all of those pieces. 

823
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,200
I get the swelling out and the 
compression out. 

824
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,520
I start sending the signal back 
and forth. 

825
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,480
If, if I can save that nerve, 
I'm going to get the fluid off 

826
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,120
and the swelling away from it 
and all this, all of it out 

827
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,360
really quick. 
And if it has that death in it 

828
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,560
that I'm setting up new neural 
pathways right behind it and how

829
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,240
quick that's how that works 
work. 

830
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:57,920
Rebecca Generally very quickly. 
Generally very quickly. 

831
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,760
So you will get an immediate 
response. 

832
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,720
If the horse is in pain, you 
will get an immediate response, 

833
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,960
right. 
So let me break this down to in 

834
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,360
a simple way. 
We have what's called a 

835
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,480
sympathetic state and we have a 
parasympathetic state, OK? 

836
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,720
And you have it too. 
But your horses, I mean all, all

837
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:27,000
species of life habit. 
So sympathetic state is flight 

838
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,160
or flight. 
OK, Everybody's heard. 

839
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,080
That term. 
All right, parasympathetic state

840
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:42,040
is rest and rebuild. 
OK, So your body will not devote

841
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:50,960
resources, calories or energy to
fixing your body as long as you 

842
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,200
are in a sympathetic nervous 
state. 

843
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,600
OK, so for. 
You people who have. 

844
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,200
Low immune systems, you get 
injured, it takes a lot longer 

845
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:03,480
to get over. 
You have a cold, it takes a lot 

846
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,840
longer for you to get better. 
You're in a sympathetic state 

847
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,800
and you need to trigger your 
parasympathetic nervous system 

848
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,320
to kick in. 
By the way, OK, for a horse, 

849
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,880
same principle. 
So if your horse is in pain, the

850
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,920
tape throws them into a 
parasympathetic state. 

851
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:26,040
And I'm talking fast fast. 
By the time if you're putting 3 

852
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,280
pieces of tape on your horse 
because the application calls 

853
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,320
for three pieces by tape #2 
piece #2 your horse is already 

854
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,520
transitioning into a 
parasympathetic state. 

855
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:41,720
OK, so we see responses right 
away, immediate responses. 

856
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,480
Now it just depends on what 
we're taping for. 

857
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,800
For how quick do we see 100% 
done right? 

858
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,200
So if you've got a completely 
severed ligament that was 

859
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:57,120
surgically put back together 
1618 weeks, right? 

860
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:05,040
If you have a muscle strain from
an overworked muscle, you know, 

861
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,560
maybe 3 days. 
If you've got a full with 

862
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,520
contracted tendons, like severe 
contracted tendons, if you get 

863
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:16,800
to 1 day 1-8 days, done. 
Right, it depends on what it. 

864
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,320
Is when you get to it to how 
long it's going to take to get 

865
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:25,240
it all the way through. 
So it's but it's fast like I've 

866
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:30,800
got for the most. 
Part as long as. 

867
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,960
You can get to it quickly. 
It's easy now the. 

868
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:40,760
The scoliosis. 
Horse We taped her solid 18 

869
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:46,560
months and then she will get 
retaped to hold position during 

870
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:53,120
every gross spurt until she's 
six wow but that was a very big 

871
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,760
deformity how just trying to 
find big deal we'll we'll try 

872
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,560
and. 
Imagine it with you, Rebecca. 

873
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:04,720
How severe was the scoliosis? 
Oh man, you know I'll send you 

874
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:05,600
a. 
Video of it. 

875
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,800
Yeah, we'll we'll overlay it 
here. 

876
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,560
Yeah, she was like in a sea. 
Like she was in a sea so she she

877
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,440
couldn't walk straight or 
anything like that. 

878
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,840
She just would walk in circles 
because her spine was like that.

879
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,960
So was she. 
Did you type up to the hills? 

880
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,400
I'm. 
Imagining a horse that's kind of

881
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:31,800
typed from head to toe, no? 
We did traction on her. 

882
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,280
Yeah, right. 
And then we did traction on her.

883
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,960
She is a I'm the only person I 
believe in the world that 

884
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,440
teaches how to do this type of 
taping. 

885
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,960
It's a problem mechanic taping. 
And basically what I did is I 

886
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:52,560
pulled her so the curve went to 
the right and then the left 

887
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,080
right. 
So I pulled her hips to the 

888
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:59,600
right and I pulled her rib cage 
to the left using the tape and 

889
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:04,320
created traction like a like a 
system. 

890
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,760
That. 
You see, humans have to have 

891
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,800
during like severe breaks and 
stuff where they're, they're 

892
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,640
attached to devices that will 
hold their head in a certain 

893
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:15,880
spot. 
And they're right. 

894
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,520
So I did that with tape. 
And so every growth spurt, her 

895
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,320
body was being pulled straight. 
Wow. 

896
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,880
It's I don't think I've ever 
said, wow, so much Rebecca in an

897
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,720
episode. 
It's mine. 

898
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,440
It really is. 
And sometimes you just have to 

899
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:40,120
say it, but I'm hooked by what 
you're exploring with us today. 

900
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,520
And I know that not everyone 
sees it that way, Rebecca. 

901
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,800
And you mentioned the trolls, a 
part of modern day society 

902
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,920
online. 
You put yourself out there, you 

903
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,320
get shot down. 
Talk us through these trolls 

904
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,560
and, and what they say and the 
kind of response as well to 

905
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,400
people that don't believe in 
what you're doing. 

906
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:05,360
I think you know in the 
beginning, I can't say. 

907
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,200
That I blame them. 
You know, you see a video and 

908
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,560
the response is dramatic. 
Before and after everybody's 

909
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,320
seen a horse with an Abscess. 
I mean, 3 legged lane, they're 

910
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,480
freaking miserable. 
So I show you a timestamp of a 

911
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,000
horse with an Abscess and I show
you a timestamp 8 days later of 

912
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,000
the horse completely sound and 
everything's fine. 

913
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:27,920
And it's the same taping 
application. 

914
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,840
You can tell it's the same 
taping application, right? 

915
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:36,680
And I think the initial response
for a lot of people is BS, 

916
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:39,080
right? 
Red flag that. 

917
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,800
Come on. 
And you know. 

918
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:48,240
I get a lot of. 
Snake oil or you know, you 

919
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:51,200
should be ashamed of yourself, 
just taking good people's money 

920
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:56,120
for nothing kind of thing, right
And but in the beginning of the 

921
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:01,080
modality before we had so much 
research, it was OK, you know, 

922
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,440
I, we knew that we would be 
dealing with a lot of that 

923
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:05,920
upfront. 
You know, we're still 

924
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,720
researching it ourselves and 
collecting case studies 

925
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:11,720
ourselves. 
You know, now my marketing is 

926
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,120
very different, my advertising 
is very different. 

927
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,200
I show you. 
So I will put on there the 

928
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:23,480
clinical case and then I show 
you with the application proven 

929
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:30,080
to work, which makes it a lot 
easier, but I don't think that 

930
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,720
there should be. 
A single critic. 

931
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:36,680
Now for it though, right? 
Because again, every. 

932
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,640
Protocol I put out. 
There, everything I'm going to 

933
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,800
teach you is clinically backed 
up. 

934
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,240
It's clinically proven now. 
So if somebody were to say to 

935
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:49,040
me, I'm like here's the study, 
which is why I add the study in,

936
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,800
in every piece of marketing I do
and I have it and it's free as 

937
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,880
well on my website. 
You can go get every single case

938
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:01,440
study that we use and have done 
and every clinical study that we

939
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,040
use and have done right there 
for free. 

940
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,400
And you can look at them 
yourselves. 

941
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,360
Again, we're about transparent. 
They we're just going to say, 

942
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,480
we're going to say it. 
If there is something that I 

943
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,440
can't clinically prove that I'm 
still utilizing maybe a group of

944
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,480
1000 case studies is my premises
is a strong premises, but I 

945
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,480
haven't brought it into a 
clinical study yet. 

946
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,760
I tell you that upfront, right? 
So there's how many case. 

947
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,040
Studies we have with. 
Outcomes showing the same thing 

948
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,280
and clinically like I'm doing a 
clinical study this year to see 

949
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,960
do I have to get into oxygen 
debt to re to release the GTO 

950
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:42,480
the same way for muscle spasm or
hypertonic muscle as if you 

951
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,360
don't go into. 
Oxygen debt is. 

952
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,040
There a difference? 
If so, how much is that 

953
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,560
different? 
So I'm going to do a study on 

954
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,960
that specifically. 
What does that mean to you guys?

955
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,000
It just means can I make the 
relaxation application better? 

956
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,960
That's my goal. 
Thank you for giving that. 

957
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,960
To us exactly right that's. 
Where that's where I go with it.

958
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,320
It's like I want to know can I 
do it better? 

959
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:12,600
And so I think that now if. 
And it sometimes it'll. 

960
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,960
Happen a practitioner will call 
me and be like, well, the vet on

961
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:20,360
the case has this opinion about 
taping right? 

962
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:25,840
And it's an opinion and it's 
completely outdated and we have 

963
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,400
research in the opposite 
complete to the opposite. 

964
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,040
We have actual proven research. 
And when they call me with that,

965
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,440
I'm like give them their 
research document for crying out

966
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,440
loud. 
If they see the study, they're 

967
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,600
going to go, oh, I mean, most 
people are level headed enough 

968
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:47,920
to see a research study and go, 
Oh, so Rebecca, you've, you've 

969
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,400
talked us through how things 
have. 

970
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,320
Changed so dramatically and how 
you've worked and and learnt and

971
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,640
studied over the years from when
it first kind of came on the 

972
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,080
scene in in 2010 and around that
time. 

973
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:04,520
Are you seeing now in 2026, a 
move with, you know, with 

974
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:05,920
equestrians? 
A move to. 

975
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,520
Want to know to seek out this 
knowledge to better their horses

976
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,720
lives you're seeing an increase 
in interest Yeah yeah, you know 

977
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:20,720
we. 
We have seen a lot of. 

978
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:28,560
Ups and downs, and I think that,
you know, because it goes. 

979
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,480
Through life cycles of. 
At first it was trying to get to

980
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,160
the practitioners and the 
healthcare providers and the 

981
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:40,720
people that, you know, were 
deemed the right people. 

982
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,000
And then I broke from the back 
and I was like, you know, it's 

983
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,880
like the Khakis boys club, you 
know, I'm like, I I think that 

984
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,320
the right people could be 
anybody. 

985
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:59,640
So once I broke from the club, I
saw a massive surge in the 

986
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,800
everyday horse owner being like,
yeah, I want to learn this. 

987
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:09,520
And so I would say on average 
for. 

988
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:14,800
Every one practitioner. 
We get into the ranks, we'll get

989
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:19,880
5 horse owners, right? 
So people really want to know 

990
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,320
how to take care of their own 
horse. 

991
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:22,920
They want to know the whole 
picture. 

992
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,560
They're happy to help their 
horses in any way they can. 

993
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,560
And when you make it super 
affordable for them and it's 

994
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:34,280
proven and it's easy like, you 
know, I mean to get my education

995
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,240
like you can you operate a smart
device or a computer, you're 

996
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,720
good. 
You know, like it's not easy. 

997
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,360
I've made life simple. 
So you take the kind of kind of 

998
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:48,040
the barrier of entry out and you
know, people tried to, I think 

999
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,560
it was scary up front because 
you had these vets and 

1000
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:55,600
chiropractors and doctors and 
PTS and physical therapists 

1001
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,840
saying, well, only professionals
can do it. 

1002
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,480
You can, you know, you can hurt 
yourself if you tape yourself. 

1003
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,960
Go to APT, you could hurt your 
horse if you tape your horse. 

1004
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,960
Get a professional, right? 
And then it's like I'm the one 

1005
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,800
going. 
Has there? 

1006
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,760
Ever been an injury? 
Ever of any species on record, 

1007
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,800
ever in any country. 
No, not one. 

1008
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,800
Why are we lying to people? 
That's dumb. 

1009
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,960
You can't hurt yourself. 
You're not going to hurt your 

1010
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,040
horse. 
Stop lying. 

1011
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,000
Oh my God. 
It's OK, they can do it. 

1012
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,720
My 12 year old tapes. 
Y'all, My 12 year old tapes. 

1013
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,720
Children as well. 
Get your children. 

1014
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,200
Why not? 
They got a horse, they need to 

1015
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,640
learn to take care of them. 
They can tape them, I can get 

1016
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,120
to. 
Stall and climbs on it. 

1017
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,000
Teach them to London to do 
groundwork and all the carers. 

1018
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,400
Clean the stall, feed them, take
care of. 

1019
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,440
Them, clean their feet out, 
groom them. 

1020
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,920
Yeah. 
Like how do you feel now 16 

1021
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,400
years? 
On with how it's progressed and 

1022
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,280
how you've progressed in your 
career and what do you hope for 

1023
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:03,160
the next 16 years? 
Oh I want to help 10. 

1024
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,240
Million horses. 
That's my company's goal. 

1025
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:09,360
We want to help 10 million, 10 
million horses by empowering 

1026
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,680
equestrians and equine 
healthcare professionals 

1027
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:17,000
worldwide. 
I am nowhere near slowing down. 

1028
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,280
I was going to say not not not 
an easy goal. 

1029
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,480
Nice, big, huge, great goal 
waiting for you out there. 

1030
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,800
Hey, that's easy. 
You know it, really. 

1031
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:32,160
Is it's if if? 
The impossible is possible. 

1032
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,760
You know, and I live in a world 
that the impossible is possible.

1033
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,640
I just have to ask the right 
question. 

1034
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:42,640
Got to figure it out. 
So I have a an amazing team and 

1035
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,840
we are all very dedicated to the
horse and doing what's right by 

1036
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,440
the horse. 
We are, you know, one of them. 

1037
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,520
I have core values. 
You have to have certain core 

1038
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,160
values to work with my company, 
to be a part of my company. 

1039
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,720
And the number one is to have a 
servant's heart. 

1040
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:59,920
I don't want people that need 
spotlight. 

1041
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:04,120
I want people that will serve 
and that are in it for the right

1042
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,360
reasons. 
So we just want to help horses. 

1043
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,800
We're going to keep doing that 
and we're going to go hard and 

1044
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,440
strong and I'm going to keep 
teaching people all over the 

1045
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,440
world. 
So that's our goal. 

1046
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:21,520
And I do think it's achievable. 
You know, it's, it's interesting

1047
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:27,400
in the beginning how hard it was
to, you know, even to even be a 

1048
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,880
part of the conversation. 
And now you know I get asked. 

1049
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,680
To come lecture. 
All the time. 

1050
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,360
And I have to turn a lot of 
people down. 

1051
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,720
I have to turn a lot of 
associations down because, you 

1052
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,720
know, I also have a herd at home
I have to take care of. 

1053
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:48,200
I have your 12 year old son and 
you know, so I have constraints 

1054
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:49,720
on life. 
He goes to school and stuff. 

1055
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,840
It's not like I'm just let's go,
dude, we're out. 

1056
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:57,400
We're going to go lecture. 
I do think it's your purpose. 

1057
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,840
That you've been put here on the
planet to do this work. 

1058
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,920
Oh, yeah, absolutely. 
Yeah. 

1059
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,160
God looked at me and said she 
doesn't work well with people. 

1060
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:06,320
She's going to work well with 
horses. 

1061
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,360
No, he. 
Yeah, I think definitely very 

1062
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,640
inspired to do it. 
I definitely think it's my 

1063
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:18,040
purpose. 
I know that horses saved me as a

1064
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:22,720
broken kid in a broken home in a
very difficult home life. 

1065
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,040
And and so I'm going to save 
them back, you know. 

1066
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:29,880
Well, you've certainly inspired 
us. 

1067
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,400
Along the way. 
And thank you so much for taking

1068
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,640
the time, Rebecca, to come and 
talk to us here at Curious 

1069
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,440
Equestrian. 
For those who are intrigued, who

1070
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,360
want to know more, who want to 
learn from you, how can they 

1071
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,120
find you? 
Oh man, we're all over the 

1072
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:47,040
place. 
Www.echotex.com you can find us 

1073
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,840
on Facebook, Instagram, Echotex,
Equine Technologies Institute. 

1074
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,920
We've got books in Amazon. 
We have our own apps on Apple 

1075
01:03:54,920 --> 01:04:00,280
and Google Echotex app. 
Yeah, so and we love, we love 

1076
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,800
y'all like we love the equine 
community and we always want to 

1077
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,960
help. 
So if you need help with your 

1078
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,760
horse, you can message us and we
will respond to you. 

1079
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,480
We respond to everybody. 
AI doesn't respond to our people

1080
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:17,880
by the way, it's still us. 
It's always reassuring to know, 

1081
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,160
isn't it? 
It really is. 

1082
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,440
I do want an AI chat. 
Bot on my website that like 

1083
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,680
points people in the right 
direction but it points once 

1084
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,880
when it starts having a 
personality. 

1085
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,760
That's when it's terrifying, but
when you need. 

1086
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,120
Help with your horse. 
It needs to be one of us real 

1087
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:38,640
people helping you for sure. 
Yeah. 

1088
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,520
So we we're big about helping 
people. 

1089
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:46,960
Like in the book, I tell you, 
e-mail us if you have questions,

1090
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,360
if you have a question with your
horse, if you struggle, e-mail 

1091
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,440
us. 
In every piece of education, I 

1092
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,920
always end it with if you need 
help, message me. 

1093
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:58,880
Collie, call us. 
I mean, we, we are easy to get a

1094
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,960
hold of really. 
So definitely like don't be 

1095
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,440
afraid to reach out. 
That's how the horse is. 

1096
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:08,760
Really the biggest, most 
incredible cases came around 

1097
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,840
from somebody being willing to 
pick up the phone. 

1098
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,600
And they're really surprised 
when I'm the one who calls them 

1099
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,680
back because I'm like, oh, this 
case is interesting. 

1100
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,880
Tell me about it. 
Like, I want to know. 

1101
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,360
Your passion is contagious. 
I will be picking up your book 

1102
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:28,560
and feeling empowered that, you 
know, we can actually learn and 

1103
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,600
educate to be better for our 
horses. 

1104
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,760
And in those crisis moments, we 
don't have to panic or we can 

1105
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,880
panic a little bit less and know
what to do. 

1106
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,960
So thank you for for giving that
to us, Rebecca. 

1107
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,680
And I can't wait to find out 
more. 

1108
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,960
So thank you so much. 
You're going to come behind the 

1109
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:44,600
scenes. 
So for those who don't know, we 

1110
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:48,080
have a subscriber base. 
Come and join us for exclusive 

1111
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,040
Q&A's for listener questions, 
behind the scenes content. 

1112
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,560
You're going to come behind the 
scenes, Rebecca, and ask some 

1113
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,760
listener questions. 
Yeah, let's do it.