1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,160 She's completely blind. People have this. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,920 Romantic idea of animal rescue, sanctuary life. 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,120 It's not like that at all. Lots of times I've ended up in 4 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:13,000 jail, physically attacked, throttled till I passed out. 5 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:16,120 You know her future. She's she's got a, she's got a 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:25,680 happy future. Every year thousands of horses 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,720 are dumped, neglected and abandoned for all sorts of 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,320 different reasons, financial difficulty, the cost of living 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,600 crisis and the throwaway culture of today's society. 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,960 But what does it take to run an equine rescue centre? 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,440 And what sort of toll does it take mentally, emotionally and 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,680 physically behind the gates? Well, let's find out. 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,000 We're off to the retreat to Animal Sanctuary. 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,280 We'll be meeting the founder, Billy Thompson, who quite 15 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,880 literally risks his own life to save the lives of horses. 16 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,160 Well, the sanctuary. Really began with life, really, 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,160 because you know from very, very, very. 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,240 Young I would have. Toys that were only animal toys 19 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,640 and I think I was about 6 and my dad said I'm at my farm set that 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,880 I kept getting every, you know, every birthday, Christmas, I'd 21 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,520 get another pack of animals. My dad said you know that lorry 22 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,560 is meant to take those animals out of here. 23 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,400 And I said. No, you know, it's only like 24 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,200 this big. I said no, my lorry is to go and 25 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,600 get animals, so the blueprint was always. 26 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,040 There I might have not known it. It was always there, but really 27 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,720 physically, it started really when I was about 14 and I'd 28 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,440 start bringing stray dogs home. There'd be horses at the livery 29 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,480 yard that were going to, you know, and I'd say. 30 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:49,840 No, I'll have them. So by the time I was, I must 31 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:55,320 have been like 16 and I already had eleven dogs and five ponies. 32 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,760 I think so, yeah. It's, it's always been mad. 33 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,080 There's, there's no, I can't look back and say there was a 34 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,920 time, you know, it was never deliberate. 35 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,560 I never thought for one minute called let's have an animal 36 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,000 sanctuary. It was just like, just give me 37 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,240 blood. You see the injustice done to 38 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,360 animals and you're like, you know, whether you know it or 39 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,920 not. But you're like, I've got to do 40 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:19,080 something about this. So every little worm you pick 41 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,480 out of the the the a bowl of water that's drowning or a 42 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,680 little fly stuck in the spiders web. 43 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,960 I know the spiders got to eat, but I've got to get that spider 44 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,640 out, you know, to everything. Little snow on the path. 45 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:32,800 I've got to pick him up. It's in you and it and it. 46 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,560 Grows and it grows and it grows and. 47 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,200 You know and. Physically those animals grow 48 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,160 and grow and grow till you're faced with cows and horses that 49 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,240 are massive and you're, you're, you're going to help them. 50 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,680 You know, I've done this across the world. 51 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,920 So I've helped, you know, massive animals, camels in Egypt 52 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,960 and, you know, it's just one, one everything I've helped. 53 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,760 So yeah, the great British weather. 54 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,440 Who's your gorgeous little Cobb that's that's laying down? 55 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,400 Oh, that's Amber. So Amber was dumped. 56 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,320 Actually, big, big family, big family of, of Cobbs. 57 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,600 She was a big rescue, big rescue, all emaciated, you know, 58 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:15,240 dead horses in the field. She's she's a lot of she'd 59 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:16,680 probably come and say hello actually. 60 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,640 Oh she's good. And then this special little 61 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:28,200 little runt over here. Andrew, my lovely boy. 62 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,120 Andrew is one of my hand rearers. 63 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,480 He was about 7 weeks when he arrived. 64 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,320 Hello, baby boy. What happened to Andrew? 65 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,760 He was literally dumped. He was dumped on a village 66 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,280 green. It was collapsed. 67 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,480 He was very, very sick. He had a couple of injuries, we 68 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,600 think potentially dog bites. Wonderful, wonderful thing 69 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,080 about. Andrew is the vet said if this 70 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,480 if this baby, you know, it's like the size of a border 71 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,480 collie. If this baby doesn't have a 72 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,040 bottle in the next 12 hours, he's a goner. 73 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,920 And this little villain waited right till the 12th hour to 74 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:10,840 start drinking his bottle. Tell you, my lovely boy, another 75 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,360 one who lived in the house, who slept on the lounge, slept on 76 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,160 the sofa in the lounge, didn't you? 77 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,920 Slept on the lounge? What am I talking about? 78 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:23,040 And what is overwhelming Billy, is that we come in here, the 79 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,280 horses are so calm. Yeah. 80 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,840 And what do you put that down to? 81 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,600 Well. It it can only be kindness 82 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,160 because you know, bad start for Andrew, very, very bad start, 83 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:40,160 bad start for Amber. There's numerous in this little 84 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,280 group, numerous of them in this little group that have all had a 85 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:44,880 bad. Start. 86 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,360 I'm looking at them. I'm thinking probably 80% of 87 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,400 these have had a bad start and. But what you're doing, you've 88 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:52,960 got itchy, itchy feet, my darling. 89 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,040 But what will happen is that they will learn slowly but 90 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:01,000 surely, that every human they make is kind and nice and 91 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,800 basically like their extended family. 92 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:06,400 All right? They won't see you as a horse. 93 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:09,600 We know that. It's like dogs don't accept you 94 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,040 as pack leader because you're not a dog, but they absolutely 95 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,360 see you as integral in their well-being. 96 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,520 It's sort of, you know, whether that be their emotional 97 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,680 well-being, physical well-being, but they absolutely. 98 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,160 Oh, she's a good girl. She. 99 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,320 What's it taken to get these two characters, Andrew and Amber, so 100 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,840 friendly, so calm and serene? Yeah. 101 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:37,880 Well, I mean, I would imagine again, it's just, it's just that 102 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,640 whole thing that we're just not, we're not pushy. 103 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,040 We're not going to push anything on them. 104 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,200 You know, no one's going to have a head collar and a lead rope 105 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,520 on. And if they don't want to refer, 106 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:47,440 we're. Going to do this. 107 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,640 All nice and slowly and just kindness. 108 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,080 And also I think they realise that we're not asking them to do 109 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,240 anything that's that a horse wouldn't do. 110 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,680 So you know, here this is, this is rehabilitation, this is them 111 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,480 with their new herd family, whatever you want to call it. 112 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,040 And we're not asking them to be, not be a horse. 113 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,880 We're just, we're just saying we're going to, we're going to 114 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,840 help you. And once they trust that makes 115 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:17,200 our life easier because everything we have to do with 116 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:25,080 them, teeth, feet, boundary work, everything we need to do 117 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,760 with them once they're once they've got faith in you, makes 118 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,400 our job 10 times easier. So it's, it's brilliant. 119 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,440 I'll take my gloves off and then. 120 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,240 She can handle this. And what for you, Billy, is so 121 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,040 special about seeing the transformation from when a horse 122 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,920 first comes to you in dire need to then months, weeks, years 123 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,880 later? Well, I suppose what's wonderful 124 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,840 about that is then you see they've got a future because 125 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:52,480 when they first arrive, you never really know. 126 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,840 You can't. You know, there are certain 127 00:06:54,840 --> 00:06:58,920 animals, I could tell you when they arrive, you know, this is 128 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,000 not going to come. This is not going to work out, 129 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,240 this is going to be. But then those ones that I know 130 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,240 they're going to be all right. You never really know 131 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,920 temperament wise, do you? They could, they could remain 132 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,240 worried. I've got a, I've got a couple on 133 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,000 this yard who are, who are still at that point of, of worry. 134 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,760 So once like this, you know her future. 135 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,200 She's, she's got a, she's got a happy future. 136 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,280 She'd get adopted, she'd get a she'd get a wonderful home and 137 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,200 you know, for me, that's what it's all about, knowing that 138 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,400 their next stage of it. We can't do it all on our, you 139 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:32,320 know, on our own. We. 140 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,440 We need to. Partner with people and we need 141 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:39,800 to, we need to see them go off to wonderful individual homes. 142 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:41,880 And of course she's so wonderful. 143 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,600 She's such a good girl for her dad, aren't you? 144 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:49,040 But I've got nothing. Normally I've got a, a suite or 145 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,640 something, I've got nothing. I've got nothing. 146 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,040 Shall we say hello to someone else? 147 00:07:55,040 --> 00:08:03,040 Shall we? Lots of times I've ended up in 148 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,360 jail in in other countries I've been been arrested for animal 149 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,760 rights issues. Saving animals in the UK the 150 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,920 same. I mean, if I'm honest, it's not 151 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,200 it's. It's no big deal. 152 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,240 You kind of know you're not going to be executed, you're not 153 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,680 going to be put in jail. So really it's just another, 154 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,280 it's just another obstacle in the way of saving animals. 155 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,480 But you get around it, you get arrested, put in jail, you, 156 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,400 you're in there and someone sorts it out. 157 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,120 You get that out, you just carry on doing stuff for animals. 158 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,240 I mean, nothing is going to stop me, you know, I've been, I've 159 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,559 had as I suppose, for feeding birds 2. 1001 Ken Livingstone 160 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,840 who was the then. Mayor of London stopped the seed 161 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,840 Cellars in Trafalgar Square. So there was about 7 1/2 162 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,600 thousand pigeons living in the square at the time. 163 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,080 They would have died. So every night for 16 years the 164 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,080 pigeons had to be fed 100 kilos, 150 kilos of corn every night 165 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,880 for 16 years. So of course the authorities 166 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,680 didn't like it. They did everything they could 167 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:01,640 to stop you feeding those birds. But the idea is to move those 168 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,480 birds out of Trafalgar Square. It took 16 years, but that's 169 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,720 what we did. We fed and fed and fed and. 170 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,160 Moved and moved and moved and then we. 171 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,800 Pick up the poorly ones. But of course, in the process 172 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,760 you'd be arrested, you'd be, you know, sent to court, you'd be 173 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,360 fined and as bows. But each time I'd be in court, I 174 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,280 would say, well, it's not going to stop me. 175 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,320 Even if you put me in prison, it's not going to stop me. 176 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:22,840 I'm going to come out. I'm going to still feed the 177 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,360 birds until they're moved out of the square and they're not 178 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:34,110 dying. How old is this mare so? 179 00:09:34,590 --> 00:09:38,320 This is this is Pip. She's 37 now. 180 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,480 Now you have to point out I'm no Vidal Sassoon and I don't pull 181 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,360 mains. I cut them and people do not 182 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,560 like it. But I'm sorry, I'm not pulling 183 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:47,800 their mains. They've been free enough. 184 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,400 So I do cut their their hair. And I tell them I'm no Vidal 185 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:52,760 Sassoon. Don't I, darling? 186 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,280 She could go. Yeah, I think we're probably 187 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,880 we've got another year. Well, I think we've got. 37 188 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,800 Yeah, what an achievement. Yeah, absolutely. 189 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,720 She's a lovely, lovely girl. They're all lovely though. 190 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,320 Hi, everyone. You're all in the right place. 191 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:18,800 Look at this lot. Oh my goodness. 192 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,320 There's two very big cows in there. 193 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,560 They're at the back of the two black and whites, Sylvia and 194 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:37,400 Harrison at the back. I can just remember my heart 195 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,920 sinking when my sister was allowed a pony and I was not. 196 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,040 You know this is a girl's. Sport, right? 197 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,120 That's what my dad said. This is a girl's sport, so no 198 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,680 sign of mine there in a pony. So I was like the little unpaid 199 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:52,240 skivvy I used to muck out from my sister and. 200 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,320 Do all the. Grooming And then my first pony, 201 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,640 my very, very special changed my life was being given away in a 202 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,560 yard. And well, if he wasn't giving 203 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:06,560 away, he was going to be killed. And he's inspired me to do so 204 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:08,680 much for animals. I've got another foundation as 205 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:11,240 well as here, which is named after him, the Flair Foundation, 206 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,200 which is supporting travellers, animals living in traveller 207 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,600 sites. So that really I can trace that 208 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,280 back to then. But I can remember horses from 209 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,240 when I was six or seven, you know, we'd go and visit friends 210 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,120 or, or stop at a field and have a look and I can remember them. 211 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,840 So they're always in my heart. And over the years it just 212 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,720 grows, doesn't it? And so there's always another 213 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,840 horse that needs you. See your horse family grow and 214 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,600 grow and grow and grow and grow. I mean, I even had a phone. 215 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,680 Call. She we haven't got her anymore, 216 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:42,880 but. I had a phone call a. 217 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,000 Horse being sold in Asda car park for £15 and so I can't even 218 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,280 go to Asda without getting a horse. 219 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,680 Do you know what I mean? So we had her for seven years, 220 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:54,080 the most amazing horse ever. Very, very broken when we got 221 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,280 her, but yeah, it. Was in Arabella. 222 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,000 Yeah, incredible. So yeah, I think it's just 223 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,520 you're either that way, you don't. 224 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,160 Learn to be this way. Do you know what I mean? 225 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,000 You're either that way. You're either empathic about 226 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,000 those creatures and about nature and what's happening and, you 227 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,840 know, and I've got two hands and I was given these hands and for 228 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,480 a good reason. And that's to, to, to save 229 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:16,960 things. So. 230 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:25,880 Yeah. Piricis is completely blind. 231 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,920 Is it? Is it blind Winter yard? 232 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,720 This gate can stay open. Brilliant. 233 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,960 My old lad was great for five years. 234 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,480 She's still a bit broken if I want to steal a little bit, like 235 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,520 jury's still out on people for her. 236 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:55,800 She, I could cry every time I see her. 237 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,720 Yeah, she's just, she's in my heart, that horse. 238 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,000 And she breaks me. That she does. 239 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,920 Why has she broken Bonnie? Well, five years on the run. 240 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,040 And so we got her. After that, we, you know, a few 241 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:13,880 agencies were told about the rescue of this horse. 242 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,640 And when we got there, she had a, she had a foal and we had her 243 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,120 follow up until 2 two weeks ago and we went to have her follow 244 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,080 up to sleep. So we've had her, we've had them 245 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,680 seven years. So if I was only 7, we went to 246 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:29,760 have her put to sleep. So that's made it worse for her. 247 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,280 It's made it worse for us because you get to a point where 248 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:39,840 you sometimes think if you're going to lose, you normally lose 249 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,560 earlier than seven years. Do you know what I mean? 250 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:43,680 You've got, we've got a baby. She got to. 251 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:46,040 Seven years we. Went to have her put to her down 252 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,240 at 7:00 and it's it broke the team. 253 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,880 I'd probably say it was one of the worst days in in sanctuary, 254 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:57,600 definitely in the sanctuary history for coming to terms with 255 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,760 having to lose a baby. You know, there are those 256 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,480 things, there are those challenges. 257 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,800 Things spring to mind. I remember we had a nine year 258 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,000 old and I remember when we rescued her and I put her on the 259 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,000 lorry and I said I will get you out of pain, I will make sure 260 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,040 you there's no more pain. And we never could. 261 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,120 So we had to have a little 9 year old put to sleep, which was 262 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,880 heartbreaking. She'd cancelled the hoof and 263 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,760 that was the same with her daughter. 264 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,960 I mean you could say, all right, she had her mum for seven years 265 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,400 and her mum had her for seven years back. 266 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,240 You'd be wanting to have that horse for as long as you had 267 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,880 Pip, you know, into, but sometimes it doesn't work out 268 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,240 like that. Would you say some people assume 269 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,520 that owning an animal sanctuary is living that idyllic Yeah 270 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,680 life? But actually, it's not always a 271 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,640 happy ending. It can be a tragic ending. 272 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,720 You're right, people, people have this romantic idea of 273 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,800 animal rescue, sanctuary life. It's not like that at all. 274 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:54,560 There's, Yeah, I, I would probably say it's a case of 5050 275 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,280 if I'm honest. You know, there'd be the 'cause 276 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,880 that you get to that you could maybe stop what's going on. 277 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,280 There's you're legally obliged not to do anything. 278 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,040 And then you'll go to the ones that are so far gone that then, 279 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,760 you know, the police and the agencies support you to take 280 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:17,160 them and they die. So it is very, very difficult. 281 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,560 And if anything, you would have think we would have lost mum 282 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,000 first because she had a lot of health issues, taken us a long 283 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,400 time to get her to that. But we've lost, lost the baby. 284 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,240 And yes, you're absolutely right. 285 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,320 It's, it's, it's, it's a hard one because people think, oh, if 286 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,480 I won the lottery, I'd have an animal rescue centre. 287 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,280 And if I won the lottery, I'd be on a beach somewhere and let 288 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,000 someone else do my job because it is heartbreaking. 289 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,760 You know, there's those animals names, her daughter, one of them 290 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,280 that I can't say the name of, and I'll probably never be able 291 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,040 to say her daughter's name. So that's that's the thing. 292 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,040 You then have to work your way through life, don't you? 293 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,280 You have to kind of navigate through these ups and downs. 294 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,640 But then there's beautiful little horses like Apollo, that 295 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:07,400 is, Tyresius's guide looks after him because Tyresius is not only 296 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,640 blind, but he's quite hard to manage. 297 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,880 He's he's still not come round to the idea of humans. 298 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,320 You know, he's kind of like people have. 299 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:26,840 Been particularly cruel to him. The people who are being 300 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,040 horrible to animals, they're going to be horrible to you. 301 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,280 So if I'm going to go out and help animals who are not being 302 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,160 looked after, I'm going to expect to meet these people. 303 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,760 And yeah, I mean last year in April of of. 304 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,760 Physically attacked, throttled till I passed out the kidneys 305 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,320 bled for 3 1/2 week by someone who's like 26 stone. 306 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,320 So yeah, absolutely. And me just explaining to them 307 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,640 this horse is not dangerous. This horse is terrified. 308 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,600 This horse is terrified because you are being. 309 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,160 Cruel. And that was it. 310 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,040 It was like a trigger. Don't call me cruel. 311 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,960 And yeah, lunatic. Yeah. 312 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,920 And you know, I can think of, I can think of all sorts of old 313 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,520 ones. I, my vet at the time had his 314 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,119 nose broken because we, we do free neutering for animals. 315 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,440 And we were on a, on a big site of animals that weren't 316 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,160 particularly looked after, completely allowed to, you know, 317 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,000 the, the people that site it was, have given us permission to 318 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,280 castrate four horses, I think. And then someone turned up, 319 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,160 there's an altercation about a dog and everything. 320 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,840 And my vet was given some good advice and he got punched and 321 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,160 broken his nose. So yeah, I mean, there's yeah, 322 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,240 it's part and parcel of the job and as long as you. 323 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,280 You kind of have to. Look for the signs and know how 324 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,120 to defuse these things. And that's why I was surprised 325 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:50,280 when I got terribly attacked because normally I'm very good 326 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,000 at defusing these situations, you know, kind of like massaging 327 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,000 people's egos and stuff and, and bringing them away from being 328 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,720 aggressive and stuff. But this this came from nowhere. 329 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:05,320 Yeah, so Okie the big white girl, Okie, Octavia is 330 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,760 completely blind. And then, then we've got 331 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,640 Harryuzo Guide horse. It always takes your back, 332 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,640 doesn't it, seeing such a huge animal. 333 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,680 Slowly, darling, That's it. Slowly. 334 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,480 Oh, excuse me. Really. 335 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:24,160 That's a welcome noise. She says hello. 336 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,080 And Billy, do we have to behave differently being around the 337 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:28,520 horse without an eye? Definitely. 338 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,560 So you really you need to be. So she's blind in her eye that 339 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,360 she's got as well. So she's completely blind. 340 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:34,720 So although she's got one eye missing. 341 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,480 The other eye. Have to be taken out at some 342 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,200 point as well suffered from a condition called uveitis. 343 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,440 All right baby, go. So really what you want to, you 344 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,840 want to be aware of just for yourself is that you should 345 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,040 always be talking so that she knows where you are. 346 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,240 She can hear, I know she can smell and stuff. 347 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,440 So I try and always be like, oh, Rocky, my baby, where's my 348 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:53,520 Rocky? I talk to him. 349 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,640 And of course, if anything, so jump, she don't know you're 350 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,120 there. So you have to be a bit mindful 351 00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:01,880 for yourself, a bit of a bit of health and safety there. 352 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,000 But actually she's a horse that's done incredibly 353 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,320 well-being blind don't suit every horse, but it was a 354 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,240 gradual thing, her condition. We got her too late because 355 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,320 we'd, you know, she'd wear the UV glasses and whatever, but we 356 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,560 got her, we got her too late. But actually she's a really nice 357 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,080 life. Gate opens into her paddock. 358 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:27,600 So when it's not flooded, I haven't got anything baby girl 359 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,000 for you She. Wary of strangers, can I 360 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,120 approach her? She loves people. 361 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:35,600 She's. I you know you can only. 362 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,320 See that she is very bonded to you and she she doesn't want to 363 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,000 say hello to me if she doesn't have to. 364 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,480 I think if you keep talking she she'll be like whatever, you 365 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,640 know, you can only assume so much about animals. 366 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:52,280 But I think that Octavia, she never had anyone who was, who 367 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,320 was cruel to her. I think she was, she was 368 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,040 neglected because she could have had something done about her 369 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,920 eyes sooner. But she, I don't think for one 370 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,400 minute someone was deliberately cruel to her because she's got a 371 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,000 different relationship with humans here that most of our 372 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,640 damaged animals have. Actually, her little boyfriend 373 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,320 there was found in a children's play park. 374 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,800 He was a full stallion. And we're not sure if he was 375 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,280 dumped in the play park or if he was in the park and someone 376 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,080 herded him in. But yeah, he's a second husband. 377 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,320 She did have a she did have another horse beforehand called 378 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,880 Billy, actually, didn't he? Girl? 379 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,240 Yes, yes, yes. She's my lovely girl. 380 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,720 She had to rescue him from the play park. 381 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,200 Yeah, he came for a play. I bet there was chaos, wasn't 382 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,080 there? In the local area of excitement. 383 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,560 Yeah, Pony that had derived. Have you been there a while as 384 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:40,920 well? Because people, you know, you 385 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,720 hear these things, you think, oh, it can't be true. 386 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,160 Like a horse being sold in Asda car park for 15, You think these 387 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,280 things can't be true. So, you know, it's quite often 388 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,000 there is a bit of time lapse. Octavia, when I got her the 389 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,320 first phone call to say there's a horse standing in the field, I 390 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,400 had exploded out of her head. You think, oh, you know, is this 391 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,120 going to be? And then when we turn up there, 392 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:03,760 yeah, that is the case. And. 393 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,600 You know she'd. Received no treatment, nothing 394 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,200 and then obviously people just gone left her so she. 395 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,160 Did you have to have the eye removed? 396 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,800 Yes, and then she gets gets surgery and stuff and she thinks 397 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,360 I've got treats. I've got nothing for you, my 398 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:21,400 darling. And did she adapt quite quickly 399 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,560 to losing her sight? Yeah. 400 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,120 Well, thankfully uveitis is generally a progressive thing, 401 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:31,920 so it kind of takes some time. So she for the first, we've had 402 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,840 her ten years now. For the first, I would say five 403 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,160 years, she was with the herd. So she was one eyed gone and 404 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,960 reduced vision in the other eye but she was with the herd so 405 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,880 we're all blind horses. You have to put in a lot of 406 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,400 work. So what we did on the whole of 407 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,800 the farm, we took every fence down so in all of the fields so 408 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,400 she didn't have to find a gateway. 409 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:56,720 And of course then eventually she needs her own paddock. 410 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,520 We have to put all the fences back up. 411 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,440 But she was worth it. You know everyone was cursing 412 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,120 when we had to re fence the fields because I'd said take 413 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:08,800 every fence post out so that she doesn't have to find a gate, she 414 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,680 can go find her mates wherever they are. 415 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,880 And how do you work with the horse like Octavia? 416 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,640 Do you work with her on the ground or is it just a case of 417 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,840 getting her through vet visits and farrier visits? 418 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,240 No, I mean really you, you want to be doing, you want to be 419 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,840 doing little things with her every day. 420 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,360 You want, you want it so that she knows, so that things don't 421 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:28,520 come out of the blue. So if a vet visit comes, it's 422 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:29,880 not like. Going to be the first day she's 423 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,080 got to have her head collar put on. 424 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,040 She should really be having that done every day and so she's my 425 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,560 baby. She's such a good. 426 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,440 Girl, she's peed off me because I've got nothing in my pockets 427 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,240 because normally she's like all over. 428 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,240 She's like, Dad, I love you and my little Haiti. 429 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,040 Look at his ears back. He's like, but yeah, so I think 430 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,120 I think she is like a real partnership with her. 431 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:52,680 She absolutely understands that, you know, we're here for her and 432 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,640 everything that happens. You know, you get those animals 433 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,160 at centres that are the most delicate. 434 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,920 And I would say if you've got blind animals, they're 435 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,600 definitely up there as as the main, the delicate ones. 436 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,760 So they're on your team's. Yeah. 437 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,880 Your decision making, forefront of your decision making 438 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,000 everyday, your delicate ones, you know, you got to know that 439 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,800 the the delicate ones, for instance, you know, if it was a 440 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,240 nice day and the big old yard missed out on going out, would 441 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,520 it be such a tragic? Yeah, it wouldn't be great. 442 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,280 But actually if she missed out on going out because she's down 443 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,960 a sense, isn't she? She's down all right. 444 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,480 So actually you always want to be like, oh, is today going to 445 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,520 be all right? Is that paddock? 446 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,880 All right, let's get her out. So they should always be at the 447 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,800 forefront of our decision making the the most delicates. 448 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,840 I'm sorry darling, I feel really bad I haven't got. 449 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,320 Do you? Feel a deeper connection because 450 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:48,800 you have to have that added trust with her because she can't 451 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,760 see and therefore she's got that reduced vision and may not be 452 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,360 able to see where you are and you have to be more instinctive 453 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:56,520 in your relationship with her. And. 454 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,040 I mean, generally I'm like, I, I say it all the time. 455 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,840 I'm like everyone's dad, whether it's human or animal. 456 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,280 I'm like, I want to look after, I'm the rescuer, I want to look 457 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,360 after anyone. So I think subconsciously you 458 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:10,120 put a little a bit more into this relationship because you 459 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:12,080 think actually she is down on something. 460 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,320 You know, I, I'm over that, closing my eyes and seeing what 461 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,400 she feels. You know, where is you do that a 462 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,960 lot At first you think right, OK, spatially. 463 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,040 Well, how does she feel about things? 464 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,520 I'm over that because she's not one to sit around and mote. 465 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,480 Lil tell us what it's like day-to-day caring for a 466 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,560 sanctuary of over 30 horses. Well as it's ups and it's downs, 467 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,440 isn't it? It's. 468 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,800 Very busy. You never know what the day's 469 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,200 going to bring you, you know, intakes, ones being rehomed. 470 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,200 Yeah, it's just on the go all the time. 471 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,680 And you're a trustee and you're part of the horse care team. 472 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,760 What does your job entail? I hear you're a woman of many 473 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,560 talents. Well, obviously the trustees is 474 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,840 making sure that everything's running right, looking for the 475 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,800 future of what's the next progression for the retreat and 476 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,200 stuff as well. What's working right? 477 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,920 What's working? What's not working? 478 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,120 And talk us through your rehabilitation process. 479 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:22,280 What sort of horsemanship do you bring? 480 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,400 Do you bring to your horse care? I'm a feeder so anything that 481 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,280 needs fattening up I kind of take on because all mine are a 482 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,960 bit weighty because I've got 3 permanents that I rescued and 483 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,840 that I took on from the retreat as well. 484 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,800 Mum and baby Shetlands and then a Frisian that was kind of due 485 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,680 to lose her leg, but kind of through the TLC and that 486 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,840 everyone kind of done in the early days of here. 487 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,000 Then coming to me. She's kind of absolutely 488 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,400 beautiful now. She's stunning. 489 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,320 Well, not so much this time of year, but in general she's 490 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,720 lovely. So yeah, it's just giving them 491 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,640 that attention that they need day-to-day care and feeding 492 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,520 them, Yeah, giving them all their treatments that they need 493 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,600 veterinary treatment. Do you find that whatever the 494 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,240 horse has been through, they always love a truth? 495 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,040 Yes, yeah, Takes a bit of time to get some because I recently 496 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,640 had Roxy who's got one one eye. So her kind of people's skills 497 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,680 was very limited. So it was just getting her used 498 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,920 to me, which took a bit of time. But yeah, treats work wonders. 499 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,760 How do you do that with horses that have been dumped or horses 500 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,200 that are feral? How do you build that trust? 501 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,880 It's just being in the field with them continuously and just 502 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,920 letting them come to you when they when as and when they want. 503 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,160 At mine, they all just have free roams that they've got their 504 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,200 stables open, they've got field shelters, they've got water 505 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,480 everywhere. So they can just do what they 506 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,240 want in their own time. And then I sort of introduce 507 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,600 myself to them on a daily basis. Poo picking. 508 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,440 That said, one of them come and see me. 509 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,080 They can do. What's been your most dramatic 510 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:03,200 transformation? Do you think it must be so hard 511 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,880 to rack through the hundreds of horses in your care? 512 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,560 For me I think it was it was mum and baby from there. 513 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,600 Oh, Gracie Libby, yes. Yeah, because just just an 514 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,000 outline to this. We got called like dead horses 515 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,560 on the field, an emaciated mum of a fold, no milk. 516 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,560 Left because she was literally starving. 517 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,760 She was eating. There was the remains of look. 518 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,560 Plastic bags that she was surviving and we thought she was 519 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,200 gone. We thought Fall was gone, but 520 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,840 they went to Lils. So you can. 521 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,240 Imagine. How did you bring them back from 522 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,200 the brink? What do you do when a horse is 523 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,000 starving to death? Well. 524 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,040 But in small doses, really, it's kind of planning it throughout 525 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,440 the day, not just giving them one big feed. 526 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,640 It's kind of breaking it up all throughout the day. 527 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,680 And thankfully they're at home with me, so I can go out there 528 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,480 as many times as I need to to be able to feed and check on them, 529 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,000 making sure they're getting all their vitamins in their in their 530 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,880 body and stuff as well. So you have to make sure they 531 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,920 don't just gobble everything. Yeah. 532 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,880 And then it takes, it takes time, Yeah. 533 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,840 And then worming and stuff. But that I think that was 534 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,440 horrible because of the dead horses in the field and she was 535 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,280 standing over a dead baby as well as when I was having 536 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,840 wonderful. She had her own default dead 537 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,400 with her and then the. The new There's nothing left of 538 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,480 her but she's like 17. Hands or something for baby and 539 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,360 she's just incredible. So yeah, I mean, that's just, 540 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,160 they're the ones where you think you're not going to get through 541 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:37,040 them, but send them to Leo's. How do you keep going knowing 542 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,320 that actually at any point you could get a call that is very 543 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,760 harrowing? You're going out to something 544 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,640 very troubling. We did, yeah. 545 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,560 We lost the horse, didn't we, Polo? 546 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,640 We lost her. There was the fall that we had 547 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,720 that we spent all night up at the vets with that was 548 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,520 continuously on a drip that didn't, didn't, sadly didn't 549 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,480 make it. Yeah, we had then another one 550 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,960 that had broke its neck and every time it come to its neck 551 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,960 just broke again, didn't it? Just kept coming back out of 552 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,560 place. So yeah, there's not always the 553 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,840 happy endings. How do you get through that 554 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,920 personally without being haunted by these experiences? 555 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,560 I mean, 'cause then you move on to the next one and and then 556 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,880 when you're having folds born at yours and it kind of takes, you 557 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,120 know, makes you think, well, what I'm doing, you know, is the 558 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,880 right thing. There's not always gonna be that 559 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,520 happy ending, unfortunately, because of what we have to deal 560 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,120 with. But it's nice when you get then 561 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,160 the foals and you see them like, you know, Spirit and that is 562 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,400 just brilliant. And then Roger and yeah, and 563 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,040 then Darcy was, my daughter has been out with both of them as 564 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,800 well, like the foals that I've had born. 565 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,640 So, you know, all that contact is, you know, is brilliant for 566 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,200 them and they've become them really friendly. 567 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,000 You want to sit on your lap and get on your back and stuff like 568 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:49,800 that. And you're like, no, you're 569 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,080 getting a bit too big now. I think Spirit tries that with 570 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,280 you don't she to get on your back. 571 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,640 Yeah, she's my baby. Literally tips off my coats 572 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,520 buttons. Yeah. 573 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,160 Yeah, and how much of your horsemanship comes from your 574 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,880 childhood with? All of it, yeah. 575 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,120 I think there's, yeah. Most of mine has just been 576 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,000 self-taught over the years with just having horses and growing 577 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,920 up with them. Did you see your life going in 578 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,360 this direction? I always wanted to have sort of 579 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,600 a house with land so I could have a horse in the background 580 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,040 so I could look out my kitchen and, you know, look out and see 581 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,680 the horses in the back garden. So it's always been a dream of 582 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,320 mine and yeah, it's just I'm living the dream. 583 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,840 It's just lovely. And do you still feel like 584 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,480 you're living the dream even during the tough times? 585 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,280 Yeah, yeah, it's just amazing. Yeah, I love it. 586 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,640 I wouldn't have it any other way, you know, Still go and do 587 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,480 my job up in London which pays for it all. 588 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,720 How do you find the time to juggle a career up in London and 589 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,080 a horse sanctuary I. Don't know how they just do it. 590 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,960 Just get up every morning and yeah, well, go and do it. 591 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,720 Plow on. Yeah, juggling feeding folds and 592 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,560 yeah. We sort of my daughter out doing 593 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,320 school runs, taking her, her cousins and her friends all to 594 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,240 school and first thing of a morning and yeah, then going 595 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,320 back, doing the horses, the dogs and just start sitting off to 596 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,080 London and then yeah, on the way home, yeah, go out and. 597 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,680 You know, I also said she has. My mum and dad live in there and 598 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,800 then. House. 599 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,960 So she's like their guardian. Then she's got her son and his 600 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,360 wife. Living in this. 601 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:29,320 House. Then. 602 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,920 The wife's got her two horses, then she's got 2 massive dogs. 603 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,160 I mean Leo is the ultimate in time management and juggling 604 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,680 things. She's, you know, she's one of 605 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,360 those people's got I'm not very good at that time management 606 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,280 rubbish. And what's it called when you 607 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,640 just put the plates on those things? 608 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,800 Spinning plates, yeah. Yeah, I was very good at that 609 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,480 because there's only a young daughter as well. 610 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,480 You've got a but. Oh. 611 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,600 And then keeping TikTok up to date as well with me, pictures 612 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,920 of me rescues and stuff. I need to follow you on TikTok. 613 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,680 There is no time in the day, is there for TikTok, and you do 614 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,880 that as well as everything else. Yeah, well that's when I'm 615 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,080 laying in the bath. TikTok quickly. 616 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,600 Do you fear Lil in these difficult times? 617 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,000 Do you fear for the future of the sanctuary in these difficult 618 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,840 Financial Times, in the current climate? 619 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,000 Yeah, you know, that's why we've just continuously got to be 620 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,760 doing things to, you know, to get people in as well. 621 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,440 And that's why, you know, the cafe is a good thing to bring in 622 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,960 people in all the shops as well. It just helps towards the the 623 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,800 running costs and stuff as well, which is just brilliant. 624 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,920 And the support we have for the the thrift shop is amazing, you 625 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,840 know, with the people bringing in donations. 626 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,120 Even though we're closed and I'm sorting, people are still 627 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,600 bringing in the donations. And yeah, we're very fortunate 628 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,280 with the thrift shop, aren't we? Which brings in good money. 629 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,160 It's money that we don't have to out like everyone that works in 630 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,800 there are volunteers. So we have a criteria and add 631 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,600 criteria is generally we do make some exceptions. 632 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,360 But that the. Horse must have no guardian. 633 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,040 So we always take dumped horses. So if there's a dumped horse, 634 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,200 we're out there, we do the four days legal noticing we do that 635 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,480 and then that the horse will be brought to the centre. 636 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,960 And we are quite active in taking horses from from round 637 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,480 ups and you know, the conservation grazers, New 638 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,800 Forest, Dartmoors, ex Moss and so on. 639 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,400 So because we know where they're going to end up. 640 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,280 So we're kind of like we're, that's what we want to help 641 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,400 with. But definitely most of horses 642 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,280 that we've got on site at the moment, yeah, about 80% will 643 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,600 have been dumped. I think the horses. 644 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,640 That we find now that are dumped are horses that were potentially 645 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,760 loved and looked after and people either not them 646 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,280 themselves have dumped them, but they couldn't keep them. 647 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,640 So they've passed them on and there's someone who's not as 648 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,120 attached to that horse, sees a Greenfield somewhere, out the 649 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,840 horse goes. And a horse that had. 650 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,560 On a microchip, she had 13 registered owners and no one was 651 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,400 interested. Contacting all the 13, No, no, 652 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,480 no one said, Oh well, I had her for two years, whatever. 653 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,520 Four years. No, no one was interested. 654 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,360 We had her for three years. Fanny the Wonder Horse. 655 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:32,320 Donkey school. So we had five donkeys. 656 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,440 Wow. All individually rescued and 657 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,679 then just back in the summer we did a big rescue and there was 5 658 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:46,239 donkeys, roppet, turkeys, goats. And so you've got that situation 659 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,920 where we've now got a family of five because they are, there's 660 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,440 mum, dad and they're falsies. So you've got even got to find a 661 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,000 home for five to go. Otherwise they have to stay with 662 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,640 her, right? Alice, be the girl. 663 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,800 And how does it compare keeping the donkeys to the horses? 664 00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:09,160 Are they more sensitive souls? Well, emotionally I don't think 665 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,520 they are, but I mean they're they're not, they're not great 666 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,560 in the in the weather. So that's why it's great to have 667 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,960 the score and they've got way boppy. 668 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,040 Look at that. And they've got their they've 669 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,880 got their little luxury yard up here, which would go up to 670 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,800 afterwards. But I mean, they've got a lot of 671 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,560 grass if they want to go out, but they generally don't want to 672 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,160 go out. And it's my little Joey. 673 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,400 Look at him, just abandoned him is. 674 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:47,200 He a miniature donkey, Yeah. So why is there a miniature in 675 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,080 with your donkey herd? Good. 676 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,120 Good question. So she came on the rescue where, 677 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,480 where was the five donkeys? So she's she thinks her family 678 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,480 is five of these donkeys. She was happy living with them. 679 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,680 Is she? Is she the leader of the herd? 680 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,800 Yeah, I mean, they've all got such respect for her. 681 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,520 Normally we have a horse in here who's called Tori, who's just 682 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:20,360 just over in the field just there because Tori, we're not 683 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,440 sure of her story, but we think she must have thrown a mule at 684 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,760 some stage in her life. She's very maternal over 685 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,880 donkeys, but would you believe it, the harmony of what we've 686 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,920 got at the moment? When Tory's about 15 hands was 687 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,000 in here, she would not tolerate little Boppet and Boppet would 688 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,800 not tolerate her. So we're like, well, these are 689 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,280 really Boppet's family. So Boppet's got a win. 690 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,760 So Tory's moved just over the fence. 691 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,640 Mind. That laughing because Boppet is 692 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,560 going mad pulling some serious shapes. 693 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,880 In the arena. And it's interesting that the 694 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,720 donkeys are but having a play, but they're not all galloping 695 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,400 with her at speed. Yeah, you're right. 696 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,320 Are they a steadier nature? Your donkeys, Billy. 697 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,760 Yeah, definitely, definitely more laid back. 698 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,120 I mean, it's quite unusual. That's Peter. 699 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,000 It's quite unusual to see Peter play. 700 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,880 And Pat's really his brother. They came together, so we call 701 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,680 them brothers. Do you see the same amount of 702 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,120 donkeys being dumped as you do horses? 703 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,000 Is there a big problem? Yeah, not so much in the South 704 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:34,040 of England donkeys, it's it's more of a northern thing and and 705 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,320 Ireland is obviously a massive problem for donkeys too. 706 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,920 But the slight advantage with donkeys is there's more of a 707 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,720 market for rehoming donkeys than there are horses. 708 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,480 Generally people who want a horse have this criteria, 20 709 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,240 points. And to hone the horse you've got 710 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:56,120 to get 20 points. Generally people just want 2 711 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,480 donkeys. So it's a lot easier to hone 712 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:05,080 donkeys than it it's a lot easier to hone donkeys than it 713 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,000 is to hone horses. And where have your heard of 714 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,680 donkeys come from, Billy? What are their stories? 715 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,280 So Pat and Peter came together up there. 716 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,480 So they were round UPS in Romania as little very young 717 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,440 foals and sold to a seaside town to be broken. 718 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,920 The seaside donkeys, believe it or not, they look like the 719 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,120 loveliest boys and they are so table and wonderful. 720 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,760 But actually when they arrived they were the most Fair Work 721 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,040 one. I never come across. 722 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,680 They were like they were extremely naughty. 723 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,120 So that's where they've come from. 724 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,680 That's why they've been they've been here 11 years now. 725 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,960 So they will stay. There's there's no doubts about 726 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,520 it. Joey abandoned so that that was 727 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,480 a call out. Otto came only middle of last 728 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,560 year. There's also got some terrible 729 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,800 feet problems. So he's having corrective foot 730 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,640 treatment at the moment. So he came and apparently didn't 731 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,880 like mare donkeys. So at the time we had five 732 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,000 geldings. We have got 3 mares now, or 733 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,840 Janice as you want to call them. My special boy. 734 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,840 My special boy and. He's a classic looking donkey, 735 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,000 isn't he? Yeah, and I love him very much. 736 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,640 Where does he all come from? He. 737 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,440 All actually had a very, very strange rescue. 738 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:27,120 We we said yes to a horse that some people couldn't keep for 739 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,920 one reason. I think someone had died in the 740 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,080 family. And when the lorry arrived with 741 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,760 horse on, who's called tizer when horse arrived you're. 742 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,840 Getting horse off and. Horse was going. 743 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,640 Mad at the horse lorry. So he said well what's he going 744 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,600 mad? They said ah, his companions on 745 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,760 the lorry. So I said what do you mean his 746 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,200 companions on the lorry? Where have his? 747 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,680 Companion. Oh no, he's he's a donkey and 748 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,160 he's from. Another centre and they want him 749 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,240 back and I said of course they. Don't want him back if they 750 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:59,960 could see how bonded they are, which is unusual donkeys and 751 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:03,520 horses to bond like that. But actually as soon as he or so 752 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,520 we took ER and as soon as he all met our other donkeys, he 753 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,880 divorced Tizer. He didn't want to know. 754 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,280 So actually it's worked out best for Tizer and and Deos. 755 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,680 Let's see. And then this little family. 756 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:23,480 Krakal, Alice. Milo, Paddy and so these were 757 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,520 just of one rescue with Bopip. They all came together. 758 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,680 Terribly sad situation were loved the health. 759 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,880 Issues in the. Family with a lot of animals and 760 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,600 just could not get to the point where they could, could look 761 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,200 after them and so, but they couldn't find somewhere they 762 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,840 could find a sanctuary are a rescue to take them, but they 763 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,680 would be they would not give any guarantees. 764 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,920 They wouldn't split them up. And they are a very bonded hello 765 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,480 bird. They are a very, very bonded. 766 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,800 I was going to say very bonded group. 767 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,280 They all came together with poppet and some goats and some 768 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,520 turkeys and some ducks. Yeah. 769 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,560 And for you, Billy, it's important not only to get them 770 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,600 out of a situation where they'll be come to to live a life where 771 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,360 they'll be physically looked after, but mental health is 772 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,960 really important for you and and emotional health too of the 773 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,280 animal. Yeah. 774 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,600 I mean, you just, you just want to get it right, don't you? 775 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,040 You want to get it right for them. 776 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,920 So I look at what they need. It's no good looking at, you 777 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,120 know what, what we need. I look at what they need. 778 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,640 And quite often, if a pair bond is very, very strong, I'm not. 779 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,360 I'm not going to, I'm not going to break it, you know, I'm not 780 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,800 going to break it. And then it does get difficult 781 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,200 if you've got a quad or if you've got five that have pair 782 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,440 bonded. But I suppose we're still lucky 783 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,920 as a, as a centre. We're still small enough that we 784 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,000 could do it. You know, I suppose if you're 785 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,480 the donkey sank, you've got 10,000 donkeys comes difficult, 786 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,720 doesn't it? But we're still small enough we 787 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:02,880 can do it. I said recently in a, in a 788 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,280 meeting, in a horse meeting, team meeting, I said it'd be 789 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,560 nice to find all telling them home together with Boffett 790 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,880 thrown in. And you know, it's like everyone 791 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:18,440 then says, oh, well, that's unrealistic now, you know, So we 792 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,680 have to stick with thinking, well, if they're pair bonded, 793 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,720 they're going to stay together. I think it's only fair to them, 794 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:35,120 you know? The biggest healer is time. 795 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,560 There's no doubt about it. So there's, there's, there's no, 796 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,760 there's no code of practice. So what I say to everybody is, 797 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,240 you know, we ignore them. You know, we're going to feed 798 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:49,120 them, they're going to be clean and they're going to get water. 799 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,920 Ignore them. And when you see them start to 800 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,600 fry, they learn from the other horses. 801 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,080 You know, all animals learn from the others. 802 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:57,160 So you've got a bunch of trusting horses that have all 803 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,120 been broken. You're going to learn from that. 804 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,280 So therefore, slowly but surely. You know when you get that? 805 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,760 Makes your heart go when they sniff. 806 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,600 Your pocket for the first time and you think, there we go. 807 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,040 And then you take something out of your pocket and they take it 808 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,320 from your hand for the first time. 809 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,120 Then that leads to you touching the neck for the first time and 810 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,560 that little brush and or just the cleaning of the aisle or 811 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,760 something. And it, and it's remarkable 812 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,920 because it's, it's as important for you as it is for them. 813 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,280 You know, there is, there is something very special about 814 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,240 making something whole again. You know, there are definitely 815 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:34,040 those animals and we don't achieve this with which is 816 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,600 heartbreaking, it's soul shattering. 817 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,280 But the majority of them we win. And that's something great for 818 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,560 you as well. Do you know what I mean? 819 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,880 It's not for and actually it builds something with you 820 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,040 because you're ready. You're ready for the next one 821 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,360 and you're ready for the next one. 822 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,520 If it was all terrible, if it was all we couldn't, you know, 823 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,760 one after an hour, we couldn't say you'd be broken. 824 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,280 But actually, So really, that's why we concentrate as a team on 825 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,600 our horses. And yeah, and I think then also 826 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,920 when an adoption comes, you know, the exact right home for 827 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,560 those horses, don't you? Like some people will say to me, 828 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,000 it's like getting blood out of stone, getting a horse off of 829 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,840 you or getting a dog off you. And I think that's right because 830 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,840 not every animal is suitable for every person. 831 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,600 It's a match, you know, and I've got to know I, I aim for zero 832 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,800 returns when my animals go out, I don't want them to come back. 833 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,840 Animal rescue, sanctions, whatever is a compromise. 834 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,520 It's not like a loving, loving home, an individual loving home. 835 00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:39,120 It's, it's compromising, you know, not not enough funds, not 836 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,880 enough hours in the day, not enough team, not enough 837 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,240 everything. When they go to that home, you 838 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:50,120 want them to be in that forever. So for me to stay focused on 0 839 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,520 returns so that we match them perfectly. 840 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,680 So that's why it's like getting blood out of stone if I haven't. 841 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,480 Got something that I think is suitable for you? 842 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,640 Then you're not just going to take anything, you know, So the 843 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,960 the centre is completely free for people to come in. 844 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,400 It's only open Thursday to Sunday, but absolutely anybody 845 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,760 can visit the centre for free. And I'm a real stickler for this 846 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,840 because I want to give everyone the opportunity to come and see 847 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,440 what we're doing, but also to come and meet animals, not just 848 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,160 horses. We've got everything that you 849 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,240 can think of and they're telling their survivor stories. 850 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,840 They're telling, they're telling a story to people. 851 00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:26,480 Even things like when I tell people, oh, this horse is here 852 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,160 because people could not afford her. 853 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,960 Something may not have terrible happened to her, but let's the 854 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,400 penny drop for people to think before they go out and get an 855 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,080 animal. Actually, can I actually afford 856 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,520 this? So actually we want to showcase 857 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,440 what we're doing. We don't want anyone to have to 858 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,040 pay. There are shops and there's and 859 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,000 there's a cafe on site and there's ways that you can pay 860 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,280 into the pot if you want to. But if you who don't want to is 861 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,800 free of charge to come in, have a great afternoon, meet some 862 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,720 wonderful animals and listen to their stories and hopefully. 863 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,800 Because that's what we're all. We're all hoping that the next 864 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,440 generations do exactly what you and I are doing.