1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,440 Have you ever thought through what would happen if you fall 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,720 off your horse out hacking? And do you know what to do if 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:11,080 you get hurt? Exploring exciting bridle ways, 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:16,360 hidden Woodlands, coastal paths and farmers fields are so much 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:17,960 fun with our horses, aren't they? 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,360 But these spots are often remote, a bit of grid or hard to 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,360 reach. And if you're heading out 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,360 hacking around your local town or village, the busy roads are 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,120 usually plagued with unpredictable traffic, 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:36,280 unpredictable people and dogs that sometimes have no recall. 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,000 We work out our hacking routes before every ride, don't we? 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,440 But do you ever make plans for if it all goes wrong? 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,160 How can we stay safe if we have a riding accident away from the 14 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:51,920 yard? Let's find out with Mike Elkins, 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,720 lead driving education manager at South Central Ambulance 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:03,040 Service NHS Foundation Trust. Mike, welcome to Curious 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,280 Equestrian. Thank you very much. 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,520 Nice to meet you, Anna. Great to have you on, Mike. 19 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,280 What inspired the launch of Project Pacer? 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,640 The operation. So in my line of work you tend 21 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,120 to hear a lot about Rd. safety campaigns that go on. 22 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,040 They're normally around things like cyclists, motorcyclists, 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,280 pedestrians, etcetera, which are all very good of course. 24 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,840 But there's a bit of a theme with that in that they're all 25 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,720 classed as vulnerable road users. 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,160 But I started to think myself a little bit because the latest 27 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,360 Highway Code obviously covers horse riders as well. 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,840 And it's also listed in the latest what's called a hierarchy 29 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,400 of road users. So you've got the pedestrians at 30 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,680 the top of this list and it's the cyclists, then it's horse 31 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,720 riders besides etcetera. And I started to think, well, 32 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,600 I've never really seen any campaign for horse riders. 33 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,600 Also, I live in the New Forest, that's where I grew up in the 34 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,680 New Forest as well. So I thought, well, where, 35 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,960 where, where's their campaigns? Where's their awareness going 36 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,520 on? So just came very curious to be 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,840 honest with you really. And I started looking into any 38 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,120 campaigns that are currently running and that's when I came 39 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,040 across the BHS, the British Horse Society and I saw their 40 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,160 campaigns running to pastor and White etcetera, etcetera. 41 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,360 So this more research into their website and that's when it came 42 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,240 across all of their facts and figures, which were actually 43 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,920 quite horrifying to be honest with you. 44 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:29,400 I believe I saw last time there were about 3000 a year being 45 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,320 recorded to the BHS where horse riders have had incidents on the 46 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,480 road or in stables, etcetera, etcetera. 47 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,680 But a lot of times where other motors have gone past them at 48 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,880 speed or given some verbal abuse or you know been assaulted 49 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,720 etcetera, etcetera, or even actually got off the horse and 50 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,760 had had a collision as well. So I started thinking, well, 51 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,000 again, this is all really, really good, but outside the 52 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,360 Christian community, where is the awareness? 53 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,320 I had to go and search for information myself, just I came 54 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,400 across other campaigns. So otherwise, what can I do in 55 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,480 my, in my role that we can, can change all that? 56 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,840 So I looked into what we at SCAS do as well, what we responded 57 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,120 to. Obviously we cover quite a lot 58 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,040 of rural areas across our four counties of Hampshire, 59 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,600 Berkshire, Berkshire and Oxfordshire. 60 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,320 And over a two year period, we actually attended near 1000 61 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,280 incidents involving horse riders and or horses. 62 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,360 So again, I, I was quite staggered to read that as well 63 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,840 as I thought, well, there's an opportunity to fix this and do 64 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,680 something about it. So what I did from that was I 65 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,520 got in contact with the BHS and I managed to contact Legworth 66 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,400 Anna Marsh, who's the regional safety manager of the area. 67 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,320 And I put my case too, I said, you want to do a joint project 68 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,720 and try to bring this number down locally. 69 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,040 Absolutely fantastic. Let's just go do that. 70 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,120 So that's how it all started really. 71 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,400 And it was meant to be a localised project just coming my 72 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,360 region. So the local media got involved 73 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,880 in it. They helped the the project, 74 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,880 which is fantastic. And then it was the Horse and 75 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,280 Rider magazine that got hold of it as well through their links. 76 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,600 And they became a national project almost overnight. 77 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:13,120 So yeah, within two weeks go from a national project to a 78 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,560 national project. Very big sort of need that to a 79 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,320 national perspective and we've gone from there really. 80 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,000 So you would have seen the articles in the VHS magazines 81 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,960 and online etcetera. So it's it's kind of exploded 82 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,040 from there. And now we're here talking about 83 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,600 on on YouTube channels as well. So I'm very happy at that. 84 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,440 I'm very excited to sort of share this with you. 85 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,480 So yeah, thank you for the invite to come along and talk to 86 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,880 you about it. Oh, fantastic. 87 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:40,480 You've taken aback, Mike, by the uptake and the interest and the 88 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,080 concern nationally for riders on the road. 89 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,320 I, I was, I heard through Hannah, the BHS, there's a lot 90 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,080 of feedback coming back from their readers and they're 91 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,680 subscribers to their magazines and they love the articles we're 92 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,840 putting in place. And from their perspective, they 93 00:04:56,840 --> 00:04:58,680 were saying it was nice to see something actually being done 94 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,440 about it that was a bit more proactive. 95 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,920 You find a lot of campaigns, there's a lot about prevention, 96 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,240 which is great, but things still do happen. 97 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,760 So the difference with Project Pacer is that we're looking at 98 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:14,280 how to prevent things happening in the 1st place, but also when 99 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:16,880 things do go wrong, what do you do about it? 100 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,680 What's the next step so that who do you call for help? 101 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,240 When do you call for help? So that's, that's the difference 102 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,280 really with it. It's prevention and in some 103 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:29,600 respects some cure as well. Oh, and just tell us, Mike, as 104 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,040 an ambulance service, what sort of incidents do you have to face 105 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,640 and tackle with horses and riders on the road? 106 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,600 So I can only re speak for our area, but obviously we cover the 107 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,600 New Forest and obviously it's very dense in horse riding 108 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,320 activities, horse riding schools and obviously semi feral ponies 109 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,440 as well. So the majority of calls that we 110 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,560 go to tend to be where drivers have collided with horses on the 111 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,800 road. So we talk about several semi 112 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,320 feral ponies here mostly, but we do attend running schools as 113 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:02,520 well. And people have fallen off the 114 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,160 horses, they've been kicked off, thrown off, etcetera. 115 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,920 And you know, occasionally to on hacking trails as well, it's 116 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,920 been more challenging for us to reach, but we can come to that 117 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:17,680 later on. So it's predominantly cars 118 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,840 hitting horses. And then we're being called to 119 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:22,800 obviously deal with the drivers more than obviously the horse 120 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,320 itself. That's dealt with by the police 121 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,160 and the Forestry Commission and the adjusters. 122 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,120 We also deal with the human aspect of everything, but we 123 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,560 also do deal with horse rides as well when they do come off the 124 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,040 horse on the road or off road as well. 125 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,680 So you're seeing really serious potentially accidents involving 126 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:44,880 the spine and the neck and and other similar incidents. 127 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,120 Very much so. So most injuries are going to be 128 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,040 what's called musculoskeletal. So we're looking at things like 129 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,400 joints, limbs, nerve endings as well. 130 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,880 And you can get some very serious injuries, very nasty 131 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,080 ones as well. And we, and we both know that 132 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,240 that can lead to paralysis can be some very serious 133 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,640 consequences as well. It doesn't take much to hurt the 134 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,280 human body. There's some real damage to it. 135 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,320 So that's what we come across mostly it's broken bones, 136 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,400 fractures and, and sometimes it internal injuries as well, where 137 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,360 we've got a, a broken rib cage that can easily cause a 138 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,240 punctured lung. Well, don't leave much of 139 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,560 spleen, things like that. So it's it's it's, there's a lot 140 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:30,000 to it. Very, very serious accidents, 141 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,800 Mike, it's safe to say. And isn't it interesting, Myself 142 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,000 and Teresa, who's the owner of Curious Equestrian and we were 143 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,120 having a meeting, we were saying as horse owners and horse 144 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,200 riders, and of course you don't always have to be riding the 145 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,360 horse to be involved in an accident either. 146 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,840 We actually don't often sit down and think about what we do in 147 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,680 the event of an emergency. We are busy in the day-to-day 148 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,920 care of our horses and in the activities that we do with them. 149 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,440 So Mike, if something goes wrong on the roads with us and our 150 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,000 horses, just talk us through what happens with when the 151 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,240 ambulance service arrived to the scene. 152 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,840 Well, if we look at firstly what's reported to us, so when 153 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,600 you do call for an ambulance through 999, you get put through 154 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,960 to our controlling operators and our call takers. 155 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,960 What they will do is they'll go through a series of questions 156 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,040 with you just to defer what's actually happened because that 157 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,360 determines how we respond to an incident. 158 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,840 So what we'll do, we'll ask you basically what has happened. 159 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,840 So let's look at, for example, incident with the horse rider on 160 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,039 the road, say they've fallen off the horse or been hit off the 161 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:34,640 horse. We need to look at have they 162 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,320 fallen off or they've been thrown off as someone being 163 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,640 trapped under the horse? Have they collapsed through the 164 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,320 medical condition? Could be a heart attack, 165 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,720 something like that that's taken place that could have caused 166 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,160 them to fall as well. So we've got the what's called 167 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,960 the mechanism of injury to an extent. 168 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:53,040 Then we're looking at, well, that's happened. 169 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,200 What's what's actually happened now, what's the result of that 170 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,720 happening? So have they got pain anywhere? 171 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,080 Have they got a, a broken leg or a broken arm? 172 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,840 Are are they bleeding anywhere? Are they breathing? 173 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,360 OK? So this is what they're going to 174 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,000 be asking you on the phone. Then we're looking at location, 175 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,040 very, very important for us, location because if we're 176 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,120 looking at a road situation, we're going to be thinking, 177 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,800 well, is it a busy arterial route? 178 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,720 Is it some of it's very, very remote and difficult to get to? 179 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,320 Is it a single track carriageway? 180 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,080 There's a lot of things to that as well because that can also 181 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,840 determine what we send as well as a resource. 182 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,840 So if it's in a very remote location, bearing in mind we 183 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,960 have to try to respond to the most serious calls in 7 minutes 184 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,560 of receiving the call, that's not a lot of time to get to 185 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:39,160 people. So we may be relying on things 186 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,280 like helicopters to respond for us as well with the air 187 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,840 ambulances. So maybe you see one of those 188 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,640 turn up before you see the conventional ambulance turn up, 189 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,320 you said. But as, as if you're making a 190 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,360 phone call, you won't know what's coming straight away. 191 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,680 That's all being done in the background whilst you're talking 192 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:58,320 to the the call taker. It's a lot to go through on 193 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:59,840 that. But it's all processed very, 194 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,560 very quickly by the control and staff. 195 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:03,560 And as as you're talking to them, they're, they're starting 196 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:05,560 to deploy resources at the same time. 197 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,480 So it's all multitasking. It's very, very clever stuff. 198 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,800 So and if you're the rider that has fallen off the horse and you 199 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:17,400 and you are hurt, I will say if you're in any real great pain 200 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:19,640 and, and any real danger don't move. 201 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,720 You know if if your neck is really hurting, your back's 202 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,680 hurting, or your your pebbles is really hurting by moving, you go 203 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:29,480 do a lot more damage. Potentially the only time you 204 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,840 should move or someone has moves you is if you're in immediate 205 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,200 danger or something else. Yes, yes, I mean, I, my mum once 206 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,840 had a terrible accident with my horse and admittedly we were 207 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,600 actually both on the ground. We were within a herd of horses, 208 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,960 our own herd within 50 acres, and the storm was brewing. 209 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,200 Something spooked them and actually the little tiny 210 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,400 miniature knocked my mum over at the knees. 211 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,040 She was just out out of my reach so I went to grab her but I 212 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,600 couldn't reach her, which was awful. 213 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:04,520 And then my great big horse, you know, 600 KG, went over the top 214 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:09,360 of my mum and to which point I wasn't sure what I would state I 215 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,280 would find my mum in. I actually thought she was dead 216 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,000 because the horse went over mum's head. 217 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,680 But because the horses were galloping, I sort of grabbed 218 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:21,000 hold of mum and pulled her up to her feet because I didn't want 219 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,800 Mum to get run over again by one of the galloping horses. 220 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,920 And I thought afterwards, Oh no, I don't think I should have 221 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,000 moved her. But of course there was an 222 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,480 imminent threat. So it's knowing what to do, 223 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,320 isn't it? In that scenario, do we stay 224 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,760 still? Do if if you're the guardian or 225 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,520 the family member or the friend, do you move that person or do 226 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,560 you keep them still? Absolutely mean. 227 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:44,320 She was very lucky you were there to help her in that 228 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,240 situation. If she's on her own, it could be 229 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,640 a different story. Yeah, I mean, she luckily, I 230 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,440 just must caveat it with she walked away with a broken 231 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,720 collarbone. So she was incredibly lucky and 232 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,600 still to this day I don't know how she did, but it's those sort 233 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,360 of things that we don't see coming and you don't know how to 234 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,160 behave. So in that instance I moved mum. 235 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,880 In other instances, you're saying we should stay if we're 236 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,400 the rider and we're in pain. We should stay still if there 237 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,600 isn't a galloping horse. Yeah, I would agree with that, 238 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,440 absolutely. Unless you're any immediate 239 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,240 danger or imminent threat or something else occurring to you, 240 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,960 I've been hit another horse or another vehicle, et cetera, try 241 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,240 and stay still. People respond differently to 242 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,280 these sort of things, don't they? 243 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,320 And people something get very, very scared, get very 244 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,600 frightened. Some people are able to deal 245 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,560 with it logically. We're all different as human 246 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:34,320 beings. But one thing is it's very 247 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,480 common that people do get that adrenaline spike as well. 248 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,680 So it does increase your heart rate, increase your breathing, 249 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:42,280 everything else. So what can really help if 250 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,120 you're injured yourself or you're with somebody who has 251 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,000 been injured and you're getting a little bit edgy because of the 252 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,920 adrenaline rush that's kicked in, you can take some slow deep 253 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,800 breaths because what that will do will help come your nervous 254 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,200 system. It'll help reduce your 255 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,200 respiratory rate as well. And also if you are bleeding for 256 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,120 any reason, obviously deep breaths do slow down the heart 257 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,560 rate as well. So what will happen is that you 258 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:06,200 won't bleed out as much as you would do if your heart's racing 259 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,240 100 miles an hour. Oh. 260 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,320 I never thought. Of that you think about 261 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,920 logically, obviously the hearts of pump is in the body is that 262 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,280 it's a pumping muscle. So if it's pumping really 263 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,640 quickly, you got more high blood pressure and more blood being 264 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,520 spurred out of those injuries out in the arteries and veins. 265 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,080 So you can so everything right down and it really does help. 266 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,880 Another trick with the breathing as well, but do those deep slow 267 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,640 breaths, you prevent what's something called 268 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,160 hyperventilation and what that is when people breathe so 269 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,240 quickly that you're not getting the oxygen into your bloodstream 270 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,200 and that can then cause you to collapse and faint as well. 271 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,800 And in the worst case scenario, they can cause respiratory 272 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,280 arrest. So you stop breathing them all 273 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,920 together. Oh my goodness. 274 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,720 So deep slow breaths. Mike, was that? 275 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,240 Absolutely, so you can inhale your count to 4, hold it, 276 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,800 release count to 4. So that can really help calm 277 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,120 someone down as well. What does it it triggers your 278 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,520 mind to believing everything is OK and it helps you think 279 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,240 clearer as well. So little things like that can 280 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,160 make a really big difference. What you're waiting for us to 281 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,520 obviously turn up and and help so. 282 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:17,360 Is there anything else we can do so deep, slow breathing, stay 283 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,920 still, or move out the way of oncoming traffic and potentially 284 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,520 horses? Absolutely, Yeah. 285 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,120 And going on the subject of bleeding as well, obviously 286 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,640 you've got a, a wound if you've got an arterial venal bleed, the 287 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,520 difference between the two, an arterial bleed is where you 288 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,160 obviously you've cut into an artery or a broken bone has 289 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,760 exploded an artery and cut through it. 290 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,120 You'll see the blood actually spurting out under high 291 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,960 pressure. So you look go quite a long way 292 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,280 from the body. Just, it looks quite scary when 293 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,640 you first see it, not going to lie, but it's, it's, it's 294 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,360 literally spurting out a venal blade. 295 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:57,240 It bleed is where you have obviously cut through a vein and 296 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,600 what you'll see with that is that the the blow will be a lot 297 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,840 darker in colour because a very dark red colour rather than a 298 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,240 bright red because it's obviously jostrolated. 299 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,560 But it will ooze out the wound. It'll be like it's pouring out 300 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,640 like like it was like at the end of a volcano as eruption and 301 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,680 you've got a lot of that oozing coming out of it. 302 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,400 That's that's different between the two. 303 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,960 So the venal bleed is that oozing, the arterial bleed is 304 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:23,040 the sputting out everywhere. And the best way to deal with 305 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,360 that is to apply direct pressure to the wound. 306 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,800 So bug on my hand up here, let's say my arm's got an arterial 307 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,480 bleeds coming out of it easily. Do hand really, really tight 308 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,880 pressure and just hold it as long as you possibly can. 309 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,760 If you've got a first aid kit with you, you apply bandage to 310 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,200 it as well and apply that pressure and just maintain that 311 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,520 pressure until the bleeding slows down or stops all 312 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,280 together. If it's that serious, it's going 313 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,320 to need obviously our help to control that bleeding 314 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,320 eventually. But by putting your hand over 315 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,600 that and that pressure being directed on there, it's going to 316 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:57,240 slow the rate at which you lose blood and that does it buys you 317 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,200 time. Gosh, and do you think I'm 318 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,440 trying to imagine how I would do this? 319 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,480 But I'm going to ask you nonetheless, Mike, do you think 320 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,280 we should be carrying first aid kits, you know, in saddle bags 321 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,640 or in a bag across our backs when we ride? 322 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,760 Yeah, I mean, I appreciate there's always a cost element to 323 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,600 these things, but I would encourage every single rider to 324 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,160 have some first aid training or some description because it's 325 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,160 really important, you know how to control a bleed. 326 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,240 It's really important you know how to deliver CPR to somebody 327 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,520 who's collapsed and also if you can as well use of an AED, then 328 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,320 automate external defibrillator. They're very easy to use. 329 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:39,920 OK. They're, they're not cheap. 330 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,280 The cost rough about 1000 lbs each. 331 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,000 But you can also some companies and charities provide 332 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,240 subscription service. So you pay some like £30 a month 333 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,960 and they provide you with a device and ongoing maintenance 334 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,760 for the, the device as well. So they'll replace all the, as 335 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,840 every solvent as the batteries for you and it's all part of 336 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,200 that subscription cost. So it makes it much more 337 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,000 affordable for places like riding schools and vigils as 338 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,560 well. So yeah, it's always worth 339 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,839 having with you. Even a small first case. 340 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:08,760 It's better than nothing. Just, you know, some plasters 341 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,400 and bandages just with you because it can take a while to 342 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,480 us to get to you in those rural locations. 343 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:17,240 Like I said, we've got a 7 minute response target for a 344 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,640 category one emergency, highest priority. 345 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,680 If you're at the middle of the New Forest, that's very, very 346 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,760 hard to achieve. All the best willing intention 347 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,800 in the world. It's unlikely we're going to get 348 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,440 to you in 7 minutes unless we've got some around the corner that 349 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,320 happens to be going through at that time. 350 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,440 You're looking at more 10 to 15 minutes potentially. 351 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,600 Yeah, it. Really does make you think, 352 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,320 doesn't it? I mean, I watch a lot of medical 353 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,040 dramas just for fun and the pleasure, but it does. 354 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,280 It does make you think. I was only saying to my mum the 355 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,760 other day, I have no idea what to do if someone just collapsed. 356 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,400 You know, actually that is really should be a, a human 357 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,120 scale, a human necessity that that I know how to react, 358 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:02,560 whether it's out on the streets or on the yard, if someone does 359 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,560 collapse. And then we bring horses into it 360 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,720 and actually look at how common accidents are, whether we're on 361 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,760 the ground or in the saddle. And I think to myself, why have 362 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,920 I never had first aid training? This is something really we 363 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,280 should learn alongside when we learn to ride a horse because 364 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,080 the two can go hand in hand. Mike, do you know where we can 365 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,120 receive, if we want it, first aid training where we can kind 366 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:28,400 of jump on that service? Yeah, the majority of ambulance 367 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,840 services across the country offer first aid training as 368 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,200 well. It's part of the corporate 369 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,400 services, so we offer it, as do many other NHS ambulance service 370 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:36,800 trusts. You've got St. 371 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,000 John's Ambulance and Do it British Red Cross and I believe 372 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,680 the British Horse Society also run their own first aid courses 373 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,720 as well. So let's go get in touch with 374 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,080 those. They might do a discount ready 375 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,320 for a member etcetera. So it's worth looking into it, 376 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,600 but there are so many challenges out there and that offer first 377 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,600 aid training, but make sure it is a certified course as well. 378 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,600 A typical course lasts about 3 days and you have a yearly 379 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,360 annual refresher or a one day refresher every three years 380 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:07,920 depending on who you go with. But it's, it's really worth 381 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,280 doing. It's a really good investment. 382 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,840 And like you just alluded to, most people don't think about it 383 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,920 or something's actually happened to them and they go, why do I, I 384 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,360 know that, why couldn't, I've done that before. 385 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,640 But it's very common as as human beings, we don't do anything 386 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,640 until something happens to us. 100. 387 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,200 Percent. What is the hindsight as well 388 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,400 that goes with it, you know? Yeah. 389 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,960 And I just think, why do we, why is this not something we all 390 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,400 immediately think of when we purchase a horse or learn to 391 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,720 ride a horse? Because actually, you know, they 392 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,960 are as much as we adore these incredible creatures, they are a 393 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:50,440 huge, heavy beast of an animal that do have the ability to kill 394 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,600 without meaning to most of the time. 395 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,200 And so actually, you know, we all know that accidents happen. 396 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,480 So that's something that I'm definitely jotting notes as you 397 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,720 speak, Mike, that actually a goal for the last part of this 398 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,440 year. Will be get on a first aid 399 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,600 course so I know what to do in the event of an emergency and 400 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,520 you mentioned Mike that it makes it even more difficult when a 401 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,440 ride is out in the middle of nowhere. 402 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,400 I mean that immediately to me. It thinks, gosh, should I stop 403 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:25,840 hacking out across fields and vast expanses of land where the 404 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,840 emergency services can't reach me? 405 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,840 Is that something we should take into consideration or can we do 406 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,200 something at the time to be more visible if we've had an 407 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,680 accident? I think don't, don't stop doing 408 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,080 what you're doing. Yeah, you, you ride horses for 409 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,880 pleasure, don't you? Some people do as professional 410 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,280 as well. You don't stop doing that. 411 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,040 It's not about scaremongering at all. 412 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,880 I'm not trying to scare people with this, this project and 413 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,680 awareness of first aid, et cetera. 414 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,240 I want people to still enjoy themselves. 415 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,440 I mean, I started riding myself two years ago because of this 416 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,840 project, so I'm not alone to ride as well. 417 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,600 Oh yeah, you're seeing it from the other side, Mike. 418 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,160 Absolutely. Well, I, I can't take a question 419 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,600 in a second, but I was curious as to what was like to be a 420 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,440 rider as well, because I've talked to equestrian and they 421 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,120 tell me all these wonderful things about being a horse, 422 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:15,760 owned a horse rider, et cetera. I thought I want to try, I just 423 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,040 want to see what it's like. And one of my friends is 424 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,960 actually a professional dressage rider. 425 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,600 Should I show you jumping dressage? 426 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,480 There's competition around the country, you know. 427 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,200 And I'm absolutely awe of her skill. 428 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,560 I really am. I wish I could do that but but 429 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,560 way off yet from that. I really am. 430 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,120 But she recommended to me that I go to Iranian school and just to 431 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:39,080 get to get a real feel for it. And I had my first lesson 2 432 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,960 years ago and I'd never look back. 433 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,200 I absolutely love it. Wow. 434 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,160 And what do you, Mike, is it that captured your spirit, do 435 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,040 you think? Why do you love it so much? 436 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,760 To me it's something different. I mean I'm a huge special head 437 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,560 normally. I'm normally in fast carbon 438 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,760 doing rally driving, I'm doing motor racing and obviously in my 439 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,640 line of work I'm teaching how to drive on response driving. 440 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,080 So I teach people how to drive on bloods and sirens, etcetera. 441 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,720 That's my primary role. So to do horse riding it's it's 442 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,360 completely dim, it's a huge contrast. 443 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:14,520 It's it's slower pace, it's outside and I love it. 444 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,800 I absolutely love it. Very grateful to my friend for 445 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,080 recommending that to me because I've never looked back. 446 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:27,200 And did it give you a whole new sort of perspective, M11 from 447 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,680 the emergency services point of view and then actually the 448 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,640 empathy towards the rider on the road when they get into 449 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,600 difficult situations? Very, very much so. 450 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,760 I mean, my, my late grandparents, they had horses 451 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,440 themselves. They grew up around horses. 452 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,800 It wasn't wasn't that new to me. But having now sat in the saddle 453 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,800 and looking at my position as well, how vulnerable I am as a 454 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,520 rider, yeah, it was a real open experience. 455 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,280 I won't be on the roads yet. That's, that's to come at some 456 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,120 point later in my riding journey. 457 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,400 But yeah, I I do see how vulnerable they would feel being 458 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,480 out on the road and you've got cars going past you. 459 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,480 It's ridiculous speeds, they're far too close and particularly 460 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,760 large like buses and lorries as well, things that that would 461 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,920 probably petrify me. I was going to say, do you think 462 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,600 your work will actually put you off hacking on the roads or is 463 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,520 that one of your ambitions in the saddle to achieve? 464 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,280 You can't put me off riding now. You can't put me off at all. 465 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,720 I've caught, I've caught the bug, so I'm going to keep going 466 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,400 with it. No, this is, this is all about 467 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,880 awareness, about prevention as well. 468 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,160 And like I said earlier, it's, it's about some cure as well. 469 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,040 When things do go wrong. Going back to your point, you 470 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,000 said earlier about, oh, should I stop doing this? 471 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:48,040 Shall I stop hacking, etcetera. I think people tend to come to 472 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,840 the illusion it can't happen to them. 473 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:53,440 And that's why we can be a bit reckless sometimes as human 474 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,840 beings with anything we do in life. 475 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,320 It, it won't happen to me, it's always somebody else happens to, 476 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,320 never to me. And So what I'm asking riders to 477 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,400 be is not to be complacent, obviously so. 478 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,640 And if something does happen, are you prepared for it? 479 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:08,360 And that's why again, I would encourage those first aid 480 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:11,880 courses and get the equipment, the first aid pouches, etcetera. 481 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,120 It doesn't, it's only a small bag now, isn't it? 482 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:15,600 It's tiny. These first aid pouches, now 483 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,760 they're very condensed, doesn't weigh anything, and you can fit 484 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,480 in your backpack or anything in your saddle, etcetera. 485 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,720 Yeah, so you could carry it along as you ride. 486 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,120 You can't, absolutely. That's. 487 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:28,840 A great idea and also of course we should also mention those who 488 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,600 take their horses walking on the roads because I also do that. 489 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,640 I have a horse at the minute that isn't ridden and I have 490 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,120 some miniatures as well and we love to go walking on the roads 491 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:40,240 and of course you are at the mercy of vehicles flying past 492 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,480 you too fast or overtaking, you know and actually almost cutting 493 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,280 you and the horses up. So actually a great idea to, to 494 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,040 take a first aid kit in a bag when you're walking your horses 495 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,480 as well. And I have to just add my 496 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,640 hearing that you've learnt to ride, you know, really sort of 497 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,600 does bring me joy because whenever I've had a horse riding 498 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,240 accident and you know, ended up in A&E as you do, I fell on my 499 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,040 head at one point. So in I go. 500 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,000 And of course all the doctors are almost sick to the teeth of 501 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,200 seeing another horse riding accident. 502 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,160 So you kind of get the lecture about all horses. 503 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:17,120 They're known to 'cause, you know, so many injuries and this, 504 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:21,040 I've seen this terrible case of this and then they'll tell you 505 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,960 another story about that in an attempt to put you off, you 506 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,120 know, horses and, and riding and all the activities associated 507 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,720 with our equines. So it's lovely to hear someone 508 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,800 who is part of the NHS actually saying, do you know what? 509 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,120 I tried it and I'm, I'm never looking back. 510 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:38,560 I love it. I think you'd be surprised how 511 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,080 many of us actually ride as well in the ambulance service. 512 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,240 There's quite a few equestrians in the ambulance service, 513 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,200 believe it or not. This is amazing that your job 514 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,520 doesn't put you off. So Mike, when you've seen what 515 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,200 you've seen in your training. Yeah, yes, I have. 516 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,720 I've seen things. But you know, I also appreciate 517 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,200 that it don't have it every day. It's not a regular occurrence, 518 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,200 thankfully, and it is. There's always a risk. 519 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,600 What we do in anything we do in life, there's always a risk. 520 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,040 So you don't take a risk, You can't enjoy life, can you? 521 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,680 No, that is it's. Not about stopping people with 522 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,320 this at all, a point you made earlier about being visible to 523 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,480 us on the roads as well. So on that very case, I mean as 524 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,480 a rider or even if you're walking your horses as well, I 525 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,360 would encourage anyone to wear a high vest as well, high 526 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:25,560 visibility tabard or jacket, etcetera. 527 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,320 Because what that does, it makes you up to three times more 528 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,760 visible to other road users. And for us, especially as 529 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,240 response drivers, we're obviously driving at higher 530 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,880 speeds. We're going to drive to save a 531 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,480 life. So if we can see you earlier 532 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,400 with a horse or on your horse, we can respond to you earlier as 533 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,880 well. So what we will do is. 534 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,880 Mike that was of course you get horses of all different shapes, 535 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,720 sizes and colours, even those riding bright white horses. 536 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,680 Do you think that the the grey horses as well should be, you 537 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,800 know, head to toe in high vis? I would say we head to toe in 538 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,560 high, as long as the rod isn't some high vis then we can see 539 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,480 straight away that there with a horse being set quite clearly. 540 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,560 But what we see is the contrasting colours. 541 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,360 Because any coloured horse can quite easily fade into the 542 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,600 background. There's not much of A contrast 543 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,480 between a horse and the environment, whether it's it's a 544 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,720 road or if it's trees, shrubs, etcetera. 545 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,080 They do blend in and especially in the New Forest where we've 546 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,760 got semi feral ponies, they do blend in very, very well, 547 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,160 especially at night time. We get a lot of crashes at night 548 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,800 time unfortunately because because drivers don't see them 549 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,000 in time, we've got a very limited view of the headlights. 550 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,600 So having anything that can make it more visible is is great. 551 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,000 Of course you see. Accidents as well to the wild 552 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,200 horses and ponies in your area. Yeah, I do. 553 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,960 So alongside my ambulance, I'm also in the police as well as a 554 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,840 special inspector. So I do attend that and my 555 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,520 police role as well. I've been to quite a few in new 556 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,960 frozen fortune over the years where they've hit horses and 557 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,320 deer etcetera. The when I talk to the drivers, 558 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,880 what they always say to me is, oh, I didn't see it coming or it 559 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,560 suddenly appeared out of nowhere. 560 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,320 And I always cringe when I hear that word. 561 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,720 It suddenly appeared. What that tells me is that you 562 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,400 didn't anticipate it. If you're driving through an 563 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,160 area that is known to have free roaming animals or horse riders, 564 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,320 you should be on the lookout for it all the time. 565 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,640 It shouldn't be a surprise to you. 566 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,720 Yes, yeah, just as. And we have a lot of deer here 567 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,120 roaming around. So whenever it gets to that sort 568 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:40,000 of dusky twilight, I've always sort of got my eyes, you know, 569 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,120 really peeled in the bushes as to what might come out or jump 570 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,160 out or whatever. But you're right, it is the 571 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,640 anticipation. I'm always on red alert for 572 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,960 something that might happen. Yeah, that's really important, 573 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,640 Adam, because if you anticipate it, it won't surprise you when 574 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,760 it does actually happen. So a lot of drivers tend to 575 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,240 drive an autopilot. They're very complacent, 576 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,640 particularly where they live. So most collisions tend to 577 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,520 happen within a 15 mile radius of your home. 578 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,440 Really. As a driver, because people 579 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,680 become very complacent to their immediate surroundings. 580 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,760 They might turn into a side road and every day nothing's ever 581 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,440 parked there. It's always clear, it's always 582 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,040 empty. But it'd be the one day they 583 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,080 turn into that road, there'd be a bus or a lorry park there and 584 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,600 they were expected to see if they hit the back of it because 585 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,400 they're also part and they're big complacent. 586 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,360 And it can be the same too around riding schools as well. 587 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,320 Where I go riding for my riding schools is obviously attached to 588 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,200 AI, say in main road, it's quite a busy road and it's, you've got 589 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,960 all the warning signs there before you've got advanced 590 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,600 warning signs. There's a riding school coming 591 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,640 up, there's company ponies, it's all there. 592 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,160 But people still drive past that double the speed limit. 593 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,080 And it it angers me because I think you have absolutely no 594 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,120 idea the damage you could cause to somebody by doing what you're 595 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,800 doing. Totally. 596 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,760 And this is what I'm so interested as well, Mike, and in 597 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,960 your campaign and the response that you're getting, how are you 598 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,040 targeting non horse owners and non horse riders? 599 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,080 Because we know that so many motorists now get very 600 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,160 aggravated seeing horses and riders on the road and think 601 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,800 there's no place for you get off the road. 602 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,720 You know, we are the bigger vehicle. 603 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,440 Why don't you just go off across the field? 604 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,400 So how are you trying to reach out to those non horsey 605 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,200 motorists? Well, the difference with this 606 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,600 project is obviously I said earlier with the British Horse 607 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,160 Society also do a lot of work around awareness as well. 608 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,200 And so if they've gone to the BBC, they've gone to other 609 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,680 national medias too. But most of the time most of the 610 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,480 content goes within the equestrian community. 611 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,960 I think we're going outside a bit. 612 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,680 What we're doing here in in South Central Ambulance Service 613 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,480 is using our own social media formats to get the word out to 614 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,480 people. And I've also involved the fire 615 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,080 service, involved the police as well. 616 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,320 And I've also reached out to a few more magazines too, to try 617 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,400 and get a word out to other people who might. 618 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,880 You see it hopefully, but I think the online campaigns are 619 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,760 much more effective because to buy a magazine you also got to 620 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,440 be into horse. It's gotta be a question 621 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,000 yourself. If you're not into horse, it's 622 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,520 not gonna pick up and buy it, are you? 623 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,000 But if you end up seeing it on maybe one of our social media 624 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,400 pages, Instagram and Facebook or whatever, people won't have to 625 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,360 see it. They think, well, actually, hang 626 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,040 on a minute, I live in this area. 627 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,520 I might see one. The power of social media, it 628 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,680 gets a lot of bad reputation, doesn't it, Social media. 629 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,200 But actually it can be a brilliant platform to actually 630 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,720 change attitudes. How do you think your post 631 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,240 might? How are you targeting your post 632 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,320 to sort of change the attitudes of those drivers who might have 633 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,920 those slightly aggressive views towards horse and rider? 634 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,920 Attitudes are very hard thing to change, Anna. 635 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,200 We see that in our in our own training schools. 636 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,480 You know, if someone's got an attitude or a certain behaviour, 637 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,640 it's very hard to change that. What normally changes people's 638 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,000 attitudes is shock. So it's something unexpected. 639 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,920 So if I was to show somebody a very graphic picture of an 640 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,040 incident, then we used to go, oh, I don't like that, I don't 641 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,680 want to see that again. What can I do to change that? 642 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,520 And normally it's, it's that shock tactic that gets to 643 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,560 people. You can spend an entire day with 644 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,400 somebody trying to explain reasons why you wouldn't do 645 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,600 something, why you wouldn't go close to a horse, why you 646 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,920 wouldn't go past it. Twenty, 30-40 miles an hour. 647 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,520 And because they haven't got a visual, they won't understand 648 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,480 it. Once you show them the 649 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,520 consequences of what actually happened, they go, Oh, no, thank 650 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,400 you, I don't like that. And that's about to stay with 651 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,760 the people. Yeah, it does. 652 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,480 It does. And as you appreciate, obviously 653 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,360 in the ambulance service, we've got some very, very graphic 654 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,240 images for training purposes. And if I look and they go, oh, 655 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,880 well, don't like that. That looks horrible. 656 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,600 It's very, very nasty. And I'm, I'm an experienced, you 657 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,640 know, Amber's person and police officer as well. 658 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,400 I've seen a lot of things in my lifetime. 659 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,800 But, you know, I look at something and go, oh, that, that 660 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,600 looks nasty. Oh. 661 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,440 And. I'm an experienced person so. 662 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,360 I don't know how you cope in, you know, such a traumatic job 663 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,440 role in in many ways seeing these really difficult scenes 664 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,320 and turning up to situations that are, you know, really quite 665 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,040 hard to get your head around. How do yourself and your team 666 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,560 kind of look after your own mental health when you are 667 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,320 dealing with very serious horse riding accidents and others as 668 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,240 well? So we do have our own own 669 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,800 internal support networks as well. 670 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,600 We do have what's called the trim service. 671 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,160 So we look at traumatic incidents together. 672 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,240 Any major incident we come across, you normally have a 673 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,240 commander on scene who will take overall command of the incident. 674 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,640 So you have some of them, they're the police, the fire and 675 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,520 the animals all come together to talk to each other. 676 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,720 And very much a multi agency approach of what will happen 677 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,320 after any large incident is they will have what's called a hot 678 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,400 debrief. And what that is, is getting 679 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,040 inward together at the scene after a bit and just see, right, 680 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,040 is everyone OK? How are you feeling right now? 681 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,520 Most of the time people feel absolutely fine in the moment. 682 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,200 We're very well trained to deal with these sorts of things. 683 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,800 We do a lot of training, a lot of preparation, a lot of 684 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,600 practice as well before we actually go out on the streets 685 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,480 and do it for real. And when you're in the moment, 686 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,600 what normally happens is you just come a robot. 687 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,960 I suddenly did anywhere. I first started out, I had all 688 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,960 my training. I just did the job. 689 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,400 I remember my first car like arrest, you know, I went to the 690 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,560 first time to do CPR on the real person. 691 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,360 And at the time I going to the job, I thought, oh, this is 692 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,840 really, Oh my God, this is this is crazy. 693 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,320 But when I got to it, my mind just switched and I went 694 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,080 straight into basically being Amber's man, do the job. 695 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,520 And I did it was only after the event. 696 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,719 I thought, don't just do that. Yeah. 697 00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,760 And then 45 minutes, you know, a long time with this person 698 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,199 didn't try and do CP on trying to resuscitate them. 699 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:50,639 We were there for quite a long time. 700 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,199 But it's only after that experience I thought, yeah, did 701 00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,600 that really just happen to me? And that's the time you want to 702 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:56,719 start talking about these things. 703 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,560 So that's how we manage things internally. 704 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,000 And without sounding horrible about you, you do bit of some 705 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,320 sort of immunity to it as well because you you can climatise to 706 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,760 it. You're used to seeing these 707 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,120 things and therefore we don't get as shocked by it. 708 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,880 Yes. Well, I'm interested to know 709 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,320 Mike, now we know you're a horse rider as well. 710 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,840 How do you compartmentalize the accidents that you've been to 711 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,520 and that you've seen and then getting into the saddle knowing 712 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,680 that actually that is a possible eventuality for anyone who sits 713 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,640 on a horse? How do you kind of close off 714 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,480 your work brain and and and not think about every different 715 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,200 scenario that could happen? I'm very good at switching off 716 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,120 on things. Sometimes it's all about mindset 717 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,080 Annoise things. I tend to focus on the moment, 718 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,600 what's going on right now. So when I go horse riding, I 719 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,600 don't even think about work. I don't think. 720 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:53,800 And that's why I enjoy it so much. 721 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,280 It's it's, it's complete mental switch. 722 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,280 I'm so relaxed, I'm chilled, I'm loving being outdoors, I'm 723 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,480 loving being in the saddle. I'm loving loving new skills and 724 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,240 new tricks. I don't even think about work at 725 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,240 all. And I think it's what a lot of 726 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,400 writers get out for being here from other equestrians. 727 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,960 It's it's that sense of escapism. 728 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,000 So yeah, it's, it's peaceful, it's quiet most of the time. 729 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,320 And it's it's just enjoyable as well. 730 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:26,040 So I very much see that you you. Exist in both worlds, Mike it 731 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,640 really, it's great when you're talking to someone who's heading 732 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,080 up a campaign and he knows both perspectives. 733 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,400 Yeah, I mean, the advantage I have obviously being in, in the 734 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,320 services, that is I'm more aware of what could happen, but also 735 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,000 aware what I can do about it as well. 736 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,320 So maybe it gives me a bit more confidence in my writing. 737 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,200 So if I fall off, yeah, I'll, I'll keep still. 738 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,440 I won't do this. I won't do that. 739 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,760 I'll, I'll hold on to my shoulder. 740 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,240 I'll hold on to my, my ribs or whatever has happened. 741 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,640 So I know what to do. But I appreciate a lot of people 742 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,960 don't know what to do. And that's what that that shot 743 00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:02,400 comes into the adrenaline rush comes in and people think, oh, 744 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,920 what should I do now? I don't know. 745 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,480 Who do I call for help? Yeah, actually that's that's a 746 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,240 really interesting thought that of course, as, as someone who's 747 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,520 in the ambulance team, as someone who's a doctor or a 748 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,040 nurse, there is an element of feeling equipped to deal with 749 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:24,920 your own health problems and accidents outside the home. 750 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,800 And actually you feel geared up for that. 751 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,880 But then just because we aren't trained medics, we can go and 752 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,520 seek, as you've mentioned, that first aid training to feel more 753 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,560 equipped and feel like we've got a certain element of control in 754 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,760 actually quite a terrifying predicament. 755 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,160 Yeah, you don't need to be a minute to save a life. 756 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,960 You don't need to be trained to save a life. 757 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,480 It's just for having that awareness of first aid and and 758 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,960 basically staying calm as well. Even calling 999 will help 759 00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:00,160 somebody, even, you know, let's say you're in a riding school or 760 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,560 you're out of the question event, you know, even creating a 761 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,400 sterile area for someone to come and work in, you know, moving 762 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,680 horses away from the incident, that all helps. 763 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,920 It all helps massively. Actually on that point itself, I 764 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,560 mentioned earlier about air ambulances coming to to rescue 765 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,560 people, especially in bigger remote areas. 766 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,640 You may be asked by the ambulance control room staff to 767 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,520 actually see if we can move people or horses away from the 768 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,960 incident so the headquarters actually land somewhere safely. 769 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,240 Wow. Yeah. 770 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:35,200 And they always ask you to control access and egress, too. 771 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,160 So if you've got a gated area, they might ask you, oh, can you 772 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,320 make sure the gates are secure so no one else comes into the 773 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,160 arena or come into the area so we can land safely. 774 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,640 So there's little things like that. 775 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,640 But in the moment you don't think about it, no, because 776 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,720 there's so much going on. Your priority is going to be, 777 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:53,360 oh, I'm hurt or my, my friends hurt, what do I do about them? 778 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,320 And you do become a little bit tunnel visioned with that and 779 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,160 you forget the bigger picture. So first age awareness is an 780 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,080 absolute must for me. I would say as an ambulance 781 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,400 person, of course I'd say that. But you don't need to be a 782 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,080 doctor to save a life. It's normally the basics that 783 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,440 save lives. Such powerful words, especially 784 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,120 to US listening who you know, we aren't trained medics. 785 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,880 So that gives us all that ability to go out and actually 786 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,320 make positive change today, book onto a first aid course and 787 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,120 actually have that better idea of how to save a life and how to 788 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,920 be prepared in a riding accident or any accident with horses that 789 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,480 we may not have been able to cope with before. 790 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,840 And Mike, we've been talking about heading out into remote 791 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,840 areas, whether we're in hand, hacking, walking our horses or 792 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,280 whether we're riding. But there are a lot now. 793 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,120 There are a lot of bridal ways that are sort of reserved for 794 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,000 us, but they've overgrown and they're quite restricted. 795 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,480 You can't get into them, they haven't been maintained. 796 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,640 So it's pushing a lot of riders to unfortunately ride more on 797 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,800 the roads, obviously, I'm guessing inevitably causing more 798 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,120 accidents. Is there any pressure we can put 799 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,360 on our local councils or who do we speak to in our areas, do you 800 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,040 think if our bridal ways are sort of, you know, overgrown 801 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,680 with Brackenham branches? Yeah, if that's that's the case, 802 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,320 I would definitely approach a local council authority or even 803 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,560 the Forestry Commission. It really depends on who owns 804 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,880 the the land ultimately downtime to manage that. 805 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,840 And I would definitely highlight the fact that, you know, it's 806 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,720 it's making riders go onto the rows and causing potentially 807 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,920 more problems in the process. They've got responsibility to 808 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,280 get that that clear for access. They can't, they can't neglect 809 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,000 it. And you mentioned about access 810 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,400 for us as well getting to it. We do obviously have other teams 811 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,040 that can have off road vehicles. We can get to you that way. 812 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:48,320 But again, it's always that delayed response, which 813 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,120 obviously isn't a good thing when you're lying on the ground 814 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:58,520 injured and you're in pain, so. How can we best prepare? 815 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,320 Heading out on a hack Mike, are there? 816 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,400 Is there tech and gadgets and gizmos we can take with us when 817 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,560 we're heading off to a remote location? 818 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,000 Because something else I'm also aware of living rurally is that 819 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,920 there's not always phone signal wherever you ride. 820 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,080 Yeah, that's a common problem in rural areas is phone signal. 821 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,880 I don't know if people realise this, but but if you've got no 822 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,800 signal in your phone 999, it will still go through. 823 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,200 What happens is it connects to the nearest mast available. 824 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,000 So if you're on, let's say O2 network and you've got no 825 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,880 signal, it will connect to Vodafone, you'll connect to 826 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,400 Three. Whoever's got signal, it will 827 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,960 connect to, to give that connection to the emergency 828 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,200 services. I don't know if you're aware as 829 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,440 well, but with a lot of modern phones, these are actually more 830 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,520 than smartphones. There is actually a locator 831 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,800 within the phone as well, and that can send a signal to the 832 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,320 police to fire the ambulance services. 833 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,600 And we know exactly where you are. 834 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,320 Wow. OK, I didn't know that. 835 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,880 Yeah. It's called AML, top of my house 836 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,920 around what actually stands for. I had it somewhere in Dallas so 837 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,400 I'm going to find it a second for you. 838 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:11,160 It's called AML and he's going to get a locator built into your 839 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,360 smartphone. Oh AML smartphone, I'm going to 840 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,080 quickly Google. It, yeah, it's going to your 841 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,360 smartphone. It won't be on the older 842 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,080 smartphones. So like your iPhone 5-6 or 843 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,600 seven, it probably won't be on those. 844 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,520 But the later models, it will be on on those and that's both 845 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,400 Android and Apple. Wow, so you can. 846 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,440 Actually send your location, Yeah, so it's called Advanced 847 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,480 Mobile Location. Advanced Mobile. 848 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:42,640 And what it does when you, when you call 999 from your 849 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,760 smartphone, you actually send it's like location directly to 850 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,000 the emergency services. Wow, that's a powerful bit of 851 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000 kit, and that's all within the phones that we already have. 852 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,920 If we've got one of the newer models, that's brilliant. 853 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,320 Built in GPS system that they use with that and that's 854 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,960 obviously, you know, if you've got an older phone, it hasn't 855 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,320 got that technology built in. Obviously you've got what 3 856 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,200 words as well. Yes, that's a very good app to 857 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,280 use for us as well because obviously it does breakdown the 858 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,600 entire world into little squares, doesn't it? 859 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,000 It's got, it's got a three name square with it and we can use 860 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,280 that as well. If we're responding to you, we 861 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,200 can use our own phones to find you as well. 862 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,840 Great. So that's a good alternative to 863 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,720 have. So your mobile phone is probably 864 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:26,680 the best bit of a company you can take out with you in terms 865 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:32,040 of technology. So mobile phone definitely small 866 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,120 first aid. Kit to know this jacket. 867 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,120 Oh, sorry. Say that again, Mike, just 868 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,280 because I interrupted you. Say those three things. 869 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,200 Sorry, Yeah, so it's the mobile phone, small first aid kit and a 870 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,120 high vis jacket. There will be the the three 871 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,440 things I would always take out with me if I was going out for a 872 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,680 hack. Brilliant and I actually had no 873 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,120 idea that you could phone 999 with no signal and it would jump 874 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,200 to another mast. So that is such a great tip. 875 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,880 Top tip for anyone listening or watching who doesn't know that 876 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,600 actually it's a reminder, isn't it? 877 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,000 Because I think actually that might have spooked me if I'd 878 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,560 have been out and about and there was no signal and I 879 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,120 thought to call 999, that might have put me off if I had no 880 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,280 bars. So it's great to know that there 881 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,640 is that security still, even when your signal has failed you. 882 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,200 So we'll all remember that. Mike, I've got to ask as well. 883 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,320 We'll talk about gadgets, gizmos, what we can take. 884 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,840 Some of them. We know high viz, a lot of us 885 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,280 wear it. Some of us are lazy. 886 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,600 We need to remember to wear high viz, taking our phones, getting 887 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,640 a first aid kit, signing onto a first aid course, which I now 888 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:40,240 know I definitely need to do. How do you think spreading this 889 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:44,880 awareness will save more lives? Mike, what are your hopes and 890 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,720 ambitions for this campaign? I really, really want to cut 891 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,680 down numbers of incidents that report every year to the BHS, 892 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,600 obviously to us as well. We, we attend. 893 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,440 There's a bigger picture with this. 894 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,560 We look from the health service perspective, if we're reducing 895 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,480 medical calls because of collisions and people falling 896 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,320 off, then it's reducing the burn on the hospitals as well. 897 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:13,840 There's a greater scheme here. So, and I, I know for a fact 898 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,080 that, you know, those 3000 annual incidences reported to 899 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,560 the BHS, that's only going to be tip of the iceberg, isn't it? 900 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,560 It's, no, not everybody reports things these days. 901 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,680 They report things if they want to, but a lot of times people 902 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,360 will just forget about it. They move on. 903 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,720 They don't even think about reporting it. 904 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:33,120 So I know that it's not a true figure either. 905 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,840 So I know it'd be a lot, lot higher. 906 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,400 And I'm really hoping that I can help bring those stats down. 907 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,000 And what would you say to someone listening who has been 908 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,360 around horses all their life? And there's a certain area of 909 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,120 confidence that comes with that, isn't there, Mike, where you 910 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,920 think you know everything and that you can handle all sort of 911 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,080 scenarios with your horse? What would you say to them who 912 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,000 perhaps may not always wear high vids, that may not always take 913 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,720 precautions when they're out on the road? 914 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,800 What would you say to try and get them to listen to your 915 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,880 campaign? Well, I'll say two things 916 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,400 really. And the first one is there's a 917 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,040 saying in the services, the day you stop learning, the day you 918 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,360 should quit because you're always learning about something. 919 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,000 If you stop learning, then you're a dangerous to yourself. 920 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,440 You always should be always developing. 921 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,640 And the other part to that as well is they'll be complacent 922 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,640 either because it could happen to you, it may not, but we don't 923 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,080 know. There's there's no certainties 924 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,440 with that whatsoever. And I want to ask people who, 925 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,840 who think, you know, how this is not worth it, just think about 926 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,320 maybe us responding to you or maybe think about your loved 927 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,280 ones as well. How's it going to affect them? 928 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,080 If you were involved in something, it could have been 929 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,560 prevented. Yes, it could have been. 930 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,720 So think about think about your friends and your family as well. 931 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,080 And also think about, you know, especially for us, you know, can 932 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,720 we see you? Can we find you? 933 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,120 Another thing with being visible as well, especially when we're 934 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,640 coming up behind a horse ride on lights and sirens. 935 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,800 We need to see where you are as well. 936 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,760 We need to see nice and early. And I know summer horse riders, 937 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,200 they're trying to be very, very helpful to us and they might 938 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,560 start trotting or cantering or galloping on the road. 939 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,440 I'm making it very clear we don't want that to happen. 940 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,480 We don't want you to do anything like that at all. 941 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,520 All we would ask you to do is to. 942 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,440 If you can get off the road, great. 943 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,160 If you can't, just keep going as you are until you find somewhere 944 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,560 safe you could pull into. That could be someones driveway, 945 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,440 it could be a cyber, etc. But remain visible. 946 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,560 Some horse riders, what they'll do is they'll come off at the 947 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,320 carriage way, they'll go into someone's driveway and they're 948 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,800 obscured by a hedge or a Bush or a tree. 949 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,040 And the trouble that is we then can't see you. 950 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,680 We don't know you're there. So we may end up going past you 951 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,560 on like the sirens blaring and scaring your horse. 952 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,440 Oh gosh, I never spoken it to the horses. 953 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,440 Say again sorry. I never thought about the sirens 954 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,920 and the speed of the ambulance and and spooking the horses at 955 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,120 the scene. Yes. 956 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,560 So with with that Anna. So we do obviously train all our 957 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,720 response drivers to obviously activate the sirens as soon as 958 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,520 they see the horse or horse rider. 959 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,960 That's hence one point about being visible is really 960 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,000 important. If we're seeing you in a hubby's 961 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,360 jacket after three times earlier, we got a lot more time 962 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,760 to plan our approach to dealing with you. 963 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,720 So what we will do as as response drivers is we will turn 964 00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:34,200 the sirens off straight away if it's if it's if it's on, it's 965 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,680 being turned off immediately and we will bring the speeds right 966 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,000 down as well. We do keep to the 10 mile an 967 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,240 hour, 2m distance as well as per the Highway Code and what the 968 00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:46,080 VHS have advised. So we do lead by example with 969 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,640 that which we should be leading by example with that. 970 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,160 And we won't actually activate the sirens again until we're 971 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:58,280 well clear of the horse rider with the blue lights as well. 972 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,800 I mean, there is an argument that, you know, that can affect 973 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,360 horses. In my time in the services, I've 974 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,240 never seen that. I've never had a problem with 975 00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:10,280 using lights around horses. It's always been the noise. 976 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:11,960 Yes. That has spooked them. 977 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,680 A blue fashion light, I've never seen it causing it unless it 978 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,880 hasn't happened. But in my own experience, it's 979 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,000 never happened. So but we are cautious of that. 980 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,640 We need to be very careful in that if we turn everything off, 981 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,120 we need to think about other road users as well, how they 982 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,080 might interpret us turning everything off. 983 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,560 They might think we we stood down from the call, we're not 984 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,560 going to anything anymore. We're going back to base 985 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,200 whatever when actually we're still going to an incident. 986 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,520 So it's it's a judgement call on the driver at the time. 987 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,240 It's the same 2 with actually with horse boxers as well with 988 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:45,880 horse boxes. If we're approaching a horse 989 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,400 box, if we, if we see in plenty of time as well, we will 990 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,400 actually again turn off the sirens as well because we are 991 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,920 going to assume it's, it's conveying a horse in the back. 992 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,080 We can't always see that, but we think worst case scenario, what 993 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,560 could be in the horse, probably a horse I imagine. 994 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,320 But what helps with that too for for anyone who drives horse 995 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,200 boxes, is it really helps if you've got horses written on 996 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,960 your vehicle. You might have seen on the back 997 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,880 of it on the back door where it says horses, normally in a 998 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,520 contrasting colour as well. Because from a distance, horse 999 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,240 boxes can look like removal vans or a cargo van or a camper van. 1000 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,040 They're actually very Incognito these days, aren't they? 1001 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,800 They are, they do look very, very similar, especially with 1002 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,680 the modern styling that goes into these things. 1003 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,880 So if you if you've got a horse box and you haven't got horses 1004 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,640 on the back and front of it, I would strongly advise you to do 1005 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,800 so because that will help us avoid startling your horse or 1006 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,800 horses in your vehicle when we go past it. 1007 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,880 Mike, do you know if accidents on the road with horses are on 1008 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,960 the increase? Is this something you're seeing 1009 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,080 more of? Because I seem to see more and 1010 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,600 more articles in the newspapers and online on social media 1011 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,960 about, you know, collisions with horses and tractors, cars and 1012 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,280 horses, you know, and all these terrible stories. 1013 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,880 And I wonder if there's a link towards this on the increase. 1014 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,040 We had a sport de Clancy during the pandemic during Coke because 1015 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,320 people were obviously at home, they weren't out about driving. 1016 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,480 But now since we've come the other side of the pandemic and 1017 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,720 people are going back to work now as well, especially this 1018 00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:24,120 this year, the last financial year, people will be encouraged 1019 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,560 back into work, aren't they? There's so many days a week. 1020 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,280 So there's an increased traffic flow with that. 1021 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,840 So that's probably what's led to an increase in instance as well 1022 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,240 is that they increased volume of traffic. 1023 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,400 And you know, I've seen it many times where people are just so 1024 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,640 impatient around horses and horse riders. 1025 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,920 To them, it's an inconvenience. You're in my way. 1026 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,000 When in actual fact you've got equal right to be there. 1027 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,240 And actually, people need to hear that, don't they? 1028 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,400 Like you say, that's spreading the awareness to motorists on 1029 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,160 social media and trying to reach them to tell them actually 1030 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,240 horses do deserve to be there. They're allowed to lawfully be 1031 00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:04,440 riding on the roads. And Mike, before you go, we've 1032 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,080 talked about what to do in the moments, but what happens after, 1033 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,160 And I know your job is very much to act in the moment and to save 1034 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,920 lives and to respond quickly. But you mentioned about the 1035 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,080 aftercare in terms of what the ambulance staff do. 1036 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,400 What do you have any recommendations for what people 1037 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,520 should do if they've been in a horse riding accident or an 1038 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,360 accident with their horses, in terms of the recovery 1039 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,600 afterwards? Yeah. 1040 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,680 So if we, if we go back to the start of it, so said about 1041 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,320 remaining calm, didn't we, when it all happens and obviously, 1042 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,440 you know, making the phone call telling us what's happened and 1043 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,880 we're now attending the scene. So when we attend the scene, we 1044 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,520 will go through our assessments. We'll, we'll obviously, you 1045 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,480 know, treat initial injuries and wounds and any other medical 1046 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:52,120 conditions from there. What's likely to happen, 1047 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,920 particularly in case of a fall from a horse or you had a 1048 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,200 crushing injury, it's very likely you're going to be 1049 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,440 stabilised by the cushions. On seeing the Panamax and the 1050 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,560 Ecas, they'll end up using spinal bores, neck collars and 1051 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,160 potentially even a pelvic brace as well. 1052 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,320 If you've got a potentially A pelvic fracture, that is a very 1053 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,600 serious injury to have. So if you've got a lot of pain 1054 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,400 in your pelvic area, again, please don't move. 1055 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,520 A pelvic break can cause really bad internal bleeding as well 1056 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,720 and you could actually die of internal bleeding in a matter of 1057 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:31,960 minutes from that. So, but we can apply obviously 1058 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,040 equipment and, and, and drugs etcetera to combat that. 1059 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,880 Now what will happen after you've been obviously been 1060 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,800 treated and you've been immobilised, you'll also be 1061 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,240 transported to the best hospital for your needs. 1062 00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:45,760 It might not be the the nearest hospital, it would be the best 1063 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,080 hospital to cater for your injuries and your illnesses 1064 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,280 etcetera. So it may be a longer journey, 1065 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:51,680 but you're getting the right treatment. 1066 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,360 There was a same with with us, it's, it's the right care first 1067 00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,520 time every time. Same to the the air ambulances 1068 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,200 too. They will fly you to the best 1069 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,360 hospital for your needs. And obviously in hospital, you 1070 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,520 know, we give a hand over to the hospital staff, we explain 1071 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,840 what's happened to to you and what we've done so far to deal 1072 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,840 with any issues and they'll take it from there. 1073 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,880 So that's what's it's called definitive care at that point. 1074 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,040 So that's when hospitals then take over and they will then 1075 00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:23,760 provide all the treatment and then obviously provide any rehab 1076 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,760 as well as part of that healing process. 1077 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,560 And they're the best ones really to then advise and what to do 1078 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,600 after the the events, what you've been released from 1079 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,240 hospital, you've been discharged. 1080 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,520 I think most of the time it's going because, oh, rest up, 1081 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,440 isn't it? Don't do anything for six weeks. 1082 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,600 And they sit on the sofa and watch some television versus do 1083 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,680 some, do some, some binge watching on YouTube or 1084 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,280 something. It'd be something like that. 1085 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,560 But as I was saying goes, you pull the horse, get back in the 1086 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,320 saddle, don't you? You do get back in the saddle. 1087 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,280 So I don't want people to be put off by what happens to them 1088 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,440 because I'm pretty sure they'd miss it, wouldn't they? 1089 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,320 I know I'd miss it if I didn't ride again. 1090 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,680 I wouldn't miss it terribly. So it's just about being a bit 1091 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,360 more careful. But The thing is, you'll go back 1092 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,160 into writing obviously with a bit more aware, a bit more 1093 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,880 knowledge of what could happen and what you can do about it 1094 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,960 next time around. We always learn, don't we? 1095 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,480 But also through experience, we learn most of the time. 1096 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,960 I think we all feel reassured knowing it's yourself and your 1097 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,280 team, that they're ready and waiting if anything were to 1098 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,280 happen. You know, such clear and 1099 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,880 confident decision making, such reassuring words and actually 1100 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,720 listening to you talk, giving us all that feeling of actually 1101 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:38,160 thinking we could have some power over what happens to us if 1102 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,760 we are better prepared. So thank you so much for all 1103 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,480 your top tips and for giving us an insight into your working 1104 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,640 life that is fascinating. Knowing what influence crews 1105 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,520 have to deal with as well and and the challenges that you face 1106 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,560 for those who want to find out any more about your campaign or 1107 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,120 get in touch, how can they do that? 1108 00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,880 The best way to do that is to go onto the BHS's website. 1109 00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,200 They're they're heavy promoting Project Pacer at the moment and 1110 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,040 obviously I'm doing some more articles coming up soon as well. 1111 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,960 The next article I'm producing is on about CPR and use of 1112 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,960 defibrillators, but that's not being released until next 1113 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,640 spring. Just quite a large article that 1114 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,000 couldn't fit into the next issue, so it's coming out in 1115 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,840 spring. Fantastic, Mike. 1116 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,880 Thank you so much for coming on Curious Equestrian for all your 1117 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,200 time and expertise. You're very welcome, thanks for 1118 00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,040 having me on the show.