1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,280 All right. Hey there, everyone. 2 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,600 This is Brom Konstein and you're listening to Bitcoin for 3 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,240 Millennials. Together with my guests on this 4 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,640 podcast, I go on a journey to discover how our current 5 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,720 financial system works, why it's flawed, and why Bitcoin is the 6 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,080 most relevant technology that you, my fellow millennials, 7 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,200 should understand and adopt. In this episode, I'm joined by 8 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,680 Tony Yasbek. He has over 25 years of 9 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,960 experience in cybersecurity, privacy and encryption and is a 10 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,760 founding partner of the Bitcoin consultancy firm The Bitcoin 11 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,720 Way. They are a trusted provider of 12 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,160 innovative and comprehensive Bitcoin services, helping 13 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,040 individuals and businesses navigate the world of Bitcoin 14 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,520 with ease. Motivated by his first hand 15 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,840 experience of economic collapse in Lebanon, Tony is dedicated to 16 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,360 help individuals gain sovereignty by adopting Bitcoin 17 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,200 and making sure they follow secure self custody practices 18 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,760 when they do. I hope you enjoyed this episode 19 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,840 and welcome Tony. Thank you for having me, man. 20 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,160 Happy to be here. Yeah, thanks for thanks for 21 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:55,600 coming on. It's super interesting that you 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:00,480 know you you have this this experience in Lebanon with with 23 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,440 an economic collapse, you know like in in in the finance, 24 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,160 macro, Bitcoin space. A lot of people talk about 25 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,920 Lebanon and other countries experience experiencing this, 26 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,840 you know, but it feel it always feels like something that is far 27 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,760 away, you know, especially for people that live in the Western 28 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,840 world. I I regularly say on this 29 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,840 podcast, you know, especially millennials grew in the West, 30 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,600 grew up in the best time to ever grow up of any person to ever 31 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:30,520 live, you know, for the for for, for, for the whole of humanity. 32 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,840 So when you hear like stories like this or or descriptions of 33 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,280 this, it it doesn't feel real, you know, it feels far away. 34 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,320 Like can you share something about your experience you know 35 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,680 of, of when and how that happened and and and how that 36 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,560 shaped you? Yeah, of course. 37 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,760 I mean, unfortunately, this is not an event or an experience 38 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,560 that I wish upon anyone, you know, like you said, I mean, 39 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,600 when you live in certain parts of the world, you know, you feel 40 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,760 almost immune to such such scenarios simply because you 41 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,560 know, you, you, you make yourself believe this delusion 42 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,720 that somehow, because you are where you are, that nothing, 43 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,720 nothing will phase you, that somebody will protect you from 44 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,600 whatever it is that you think you're safe from. 45 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,200 That is a myth. That is something that I used to 46 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,200 believe in as well. But you know, when you live 47 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,680 through something like what has happened in Lebanon, it is the 48 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,160 equivalent of someone dropping a nuke on your life. 49 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,800 This is exactly how it feels like, and that's exactly the 50 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,560 type of damage that it does. When you, you know you, you go 51 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,120 to sleep one night thinking everything is OK, and you wake 52 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,000 up the next day to realize that your entire life has been swept 53 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,920 under your rug, leaving you with absolutely nothing. 54 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:48,360 So this is the shock. The shock factor of this is is 55 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:55,560 almost, excuse me, undescribable because it's so extreme that you 56 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,800 don't really know how to react in the moment. 57 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,200 It takes a little while before it actually sets in that shit. 58 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,800 All my life savings are now gone, you know, And I literally 59 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,080 have nothing except for the 20 bucks or 50 bucks that I have in 60 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,160 my pocket. What am I going to do? 61 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,320 You know? I mean, this is, this is, it's a 62 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,040 very scary position to be in. I mean, I don't think anyone, no 63 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,680 matter how strong you think you are, is ever prepared for such a 64 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:30,640 such a traumatic shock. It's not a physical, physical, 65 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,120 like you're not harmed physically, but it almost feels 66 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,840 like, you know, a a physical sledgehammer to your, to your, 67 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,840 to your entire body because of all all the rush of adrenaline 68 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,520 that's going through you not knowing which direction to turn. 69 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,640 Especially considering that there's no one there to help you 70 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,520 when this, when this whole thing blew up, nobody was answering 71 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,320 phones. You know, you try to reach out 72 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,120 to the banks to see, you know, what else going on. 73 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:04,200 There's no answer at the banks. So you know, this is where it's 74 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,320 a lot of people haven't come out, basically from the 75 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,040 destruction of something like this. 76 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,480 This is what I was fortunate enough and it took me a very 77 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,200 long time, honestly. Like on some days, I wonder how 78 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,920 I'm even sit sitting here doing what I'm doing, considering what 79 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,680 I just went through and I'm, I consider myself a very strong 80 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,000 individual. I'm rarely faced by anybody's 81 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,560 opinion. Like, I don't really care. 82 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,280 I do what what I know has to be done. 83 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,400 But you know, like you, no matter how tough you think you 84 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,480 are, you are never prepared for something like this. 85 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,960 And this is a message that I work very hard in trying to sort 86 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,520 of like ingrain in people's heads to let them know that it 87 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,480 doesn't really matter how rich you think you are, how many 88 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,720 zeros you see on that screen. This is an illusion that you 89 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,400 have. There is no money in your bank 90 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:50,280 account. It's not real. 91 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,960 It's not real. This is just a number on the 92 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,360 screen that they tell you you have, but the money is not there 93 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,040 and it can be swiped away from you just as quickly as it was 94 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,720 for me and every single individual living in that 95 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,480 country, unfortunately. Yeah. 96 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,920 And this is also we'll we'll talk about you know how Bitcoin 97 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,480 brings sovereignty to people. But when you share this, I, I of 98 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,040 course also think about you know as a millennial from the West 99 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,360 who never had problems like this, right. 100 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,520 Like you and I ended up on the same conclusion. 101 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,320 You know about Bitcoin and that we need it and that other people 102 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,360 need it. And I find it so fascinating 103 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,360 that what you just described, right? 104 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,400 Like you have to experience it to understand that no one is 105 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,760 coming to save you and that the money is not real. 106 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,240 And that the trust you put in third parties before also was 107 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,480 not real or not based on any reality, right. 108 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,640 And and you saw that because you experienced that. 109 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,440 And although we came to the same conclusion, I had to like 110 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,040 conceptualize that in a way, right. 111 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,520 Because I I did not experience that. 112 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,480 And I, I don't know like how I did that and then ended up to 113 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,720 the same conclusion as you. But I do see that as like for 114 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:17,400 people in the West it's so hard to yeah almost like first 115 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,360 understand and then kind of like integrate that the trust you put 116 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:28,600 in third parties is almost like like the I don't know if that's 117 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,000 English word but it's deferring your own responsibility over 118 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,400 your own life to another party and basically kind of like 119 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,560 praying or hoping that you know stuff doesn't doesn't blow up. 120 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,640 But when it does still no one is coming to save you, right. 121 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:49,640 So in the, in the, in the moment of of of this financial 122 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,320 collapse, no one is coming to save you. 123 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,560 But you have to realize that that is currently also not the 124 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,720 case. Although you see numbers in your 125 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,880 bank app on your screen right there, it's not a different. 126 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,640 The situation is not different, although the numbers are there 127 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,640 now and maybe later, they're not, but it's not a different 128 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,320 thing, right? It's the same. 129 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:10,480 Absolutely. I mean, what makes it difficult 130 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,600 is that you are born into this lie. 131 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,720 OK. So when you first land, when 132 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,040 you're first born, you know that's that's all you've you're 133 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,920 taught. Your parents tell you this is 134 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,040 the way it is because that's the way they've been taught. 135 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,360 So this lie, this scam has been going on for a very long time. 136 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,560 And when you're born into it, while you, you accept it as the 137 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,360 norm, right. And as long as it doesn't really 138 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:37,120 directly impact you as you're growing up, you don't give it 139 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:38,760 much thought. You know, you just assume that 140 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,960 that's just the way it is. You know, you go do your work, 141 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,880 you have your money in your bank, you're able to afford 142 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,520 whatever it is that you want. So as far as you're concerned, 143 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,080 life's good, OK? And it's good as long as it 144 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,040 stays good. But when you quickly realize 145 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,600 that every Ponzi has, has a, has an expiry date, OK, Now I mean 146 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,960 this Fiat Ponzi has been going on for almost 100 years now and 147 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,280 we are living in you know a moment of time where we're 148 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,680 seeing it collapse. This, This is why this the the 149 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,480 events that are taking place now are are historical because we've 150 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,200 never, like I never expected to be living. 151 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,360 You know, in a time where I'm going to be seeing this or even 152 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,240 like realizing that this is something like this is actually 153 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,440 possible. That's also why it's hard to 154 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,720 understand right? Exactly why if you if you read 155 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,559 about Roman Empire collapsing or same Lebanon collapsing, is is 156 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,360 in the modern times, right? But just because it's so far 157 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,760 away, you cannot comprehend that you could also be in the middle 158 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,039 of that, basically. Yes, exactly. 159 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:44,840 So you have to accept that you have to unlearn that anything 160 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,560 you thought about money is complete rubbish. 161 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,800 The money that you're using to buy stuff is not money. 162 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,320 It's it's toilet paper. It's it's worthless. 163 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,960 The only reason why it has any value is because the world has 164 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,560 been misled to believe that it has value and people are still 165 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:04,400 accepting it. But as it's becoming very, you 166 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,880 know, everybody's noticing now that, you know, things are 167 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,320 becoming more expensive, inflation, All of a sudden, 168 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,480 everybody's familiar with that word that used to be like a 169 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,800 fancy vocabulary word that reserved only to people in the 170 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,040 financial sector. Not everybody's talking about 171 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,680 inflation. They know, they know that the 172 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:21,120 prices go up. Oh, it's inflation. 173 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,360 You know that they're becoming more familiar with, you know, 174 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,160 with that whole world. And they're realizing that hold 175 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,440 on a second, some something's not right here, You know, like I 176 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:34,360 make $2000 a month, but fuck, my expenses are $2600 a month. 177 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,920 How am I going to pay for it? Like my the the prices are going 178 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,360 up, but my salary, my income is not going up. 179 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,880 So there's a there's a, there's a problem here. 180 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,720 And then you, you, you know, a lot of people make the mistake 181 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,440 of thinking, OK, well, I have to work harder. 182 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,360 Well, no, you don't have to work harder. 183 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,320 You have to come to sit down and realize that the reason why 184 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,080 you're in such a predicament is that because it's you're you're 185 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,640 you're saving money. You're saving your time and 186 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,280 value in a rigged system you cannot beat. 187 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,880 You cannot beat the system. It's like having a bucket. 188 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,720 With a hole. At the bottom, and you're trying 189 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,920 to fill it up at a rate faster than it's leaking from the 190 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,720 bottom. Yeah, you're at the bottom of 191 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,760 the bucket. But you're at the bottom of the 192 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,560 bucket and at some point you're just going to lose. 193 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,720 And this is what's starting to manifest. 194 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,080 You know, globally in some countries you know a lot faster 195 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,760 than others, but ultimately it's going to come everywhere and it 196 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,560 doesn't really matter how large of a number you think you have 197 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:29,800 on that bank account, you're going to very quickly see it 198 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,080 shrink until it ultimately hits zero for you as well. 199 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:38,520 Yeah, yeah, it's wild. It's I love this angle of 200 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,960 Bitcoin, right? I will get to some technical 201 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,920 stuff as well, but I love this angle of Bitcoin because this 202 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,360 really emphasizes, you know, the problems or the, you know, 203 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,640 problems that people should be aware of first before they can 204 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,440 even be susceptible to, you know, what we think is, is the 205 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,800 solution, right. And and what you just said, do 206 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,760 you think that is like the main thing people need to unlearn? 207 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,880 Like it's not one thing, It's basically like the entire 208 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,240 structure around what you think is money is wrong, right? 209 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,080 That's the thing that people need to unlearn. 210 00:11:11,560 --> 00:11:15,120 Yes and it and The thing is it's when you when you try to explain 211 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,000 this to someone the the reason why they think you're crazy is 212 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:24,400 because it's so out there so extreme in in what's going on 213 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,160 that you're you're essentially telling them that all your life 214 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,160 was a lie. That you've been an idiot, you 215 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,200 know since the day you were born until now. 216 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:35,400 And now you have to accept that and like believe what I'm 217 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,080 telling you. So when you're talking to the 218 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,360 individuals especially those of an older age that have lived 219 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,360 their life and you know have been OK for the most part of it 220 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,120 but only now recently are maybe starting to feel the pinch. 221 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,800 You know they're very it's very difficult to you know like sort 222 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,760 of re change that that mindset until they're in a predicament 223 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,520 where they have no choice but to listen to something that makes 224 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,000 sense. Yeah, OK. 225 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,520 When? They actually have the problem, 226 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:05,200 right? It's. 227 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,400 Hard to. Show them the problem before 228 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,440 they actually understand that they're already experiencing it. 229 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,680 That's it. And it's and it's usually the 230 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:16,520 higher net worth individuals that have the most to lose, even 231 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,280 though they don't believe so. I mean some some, some high net 232 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,080 worth individuals that I've spoken to are extremely arrogant 233 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,000 because you know, like many others before them, you know, 234 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,600 they think they are untouchable because they've got 17 zeros on 235 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,560 their bank bank account on their monitors. 236 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,920 You know nothing will phase them, but three years ago in 237 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,320 Lebanon there were also folks with 15 zeros on the screen that 238 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,480 now have only 110. Nothing before the. 239 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,160 Zero and nothing before the zero. 240 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,920 So if you think that your numbers of 0, so it's like 241 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,720 somehow makes you immune or God like you're committing financial 242 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,160 suicide, it's a it's it's a very dangerous delusion that you're 243 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,480 hiding behind and it's a false one. 244 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,200 Whether you believe me or don't believe me, it doesn't really 245 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,960 matter. The result is the same. 246 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I again like this 247 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,960 angle. I find the most interesting like 248 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,720 for for people to get into Bitcoin because that personal 249 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,240 that this is like personal development in a sense, right. 250 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,360 Like understanding that you that you don't understand everything 251 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,600 and and what you just said like that, basically what you base 252 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,560 your beliefs or understanding on is something that is not 253 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,480 grounded in reality. It's not true. 254 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,160 Right. And I've shared this before on 255 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,880 this podcast as well. Like for me it was I was already 256 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,560 into Bitcoin, but I was, I was 30, I had a mortgage. 257 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:43,000 I worked at a bank until I talked to a colleague who said 258 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,840 that you know that the money in the bank is not yours. 259 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,160 And I said, well sorry, what do you mean? 260 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,600 And then we had lunch for an hour and he explained to me and 261 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,280 I had the same realization as you just said, like, I'm an 262 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,440 idiot, I'm participating in something that I do not 263 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,840 understand, and I actually work at a bank, right? 264 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,320 So how? How would other people that are 265 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,560 not even in a position to actually, you know, gather this 266 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:06,800 information? Or, well, I had the luck to run 267 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,720 into someone, you know, who started talking with me about 268 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,320 it. Like why would someone even 269 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:17,960 start thinking about this huge problem actually? 270 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,520 Well, The thing is, not only the money is worthless, but you have 271 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,760 to understand that the people who designed this money, these 272 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,120 are criminals. These are professional thieves, 273 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,120 you know, this, this, this all the organization behind Fiat 274 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,920 money is a criminal organization. 275 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,000 There's there's these are not people that have your best 276 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,960 interest in mind. At any point in time. 277 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:44,000 This is a rigged scheme designed to benefit that 1% sitting right 278 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,560 next to that money printer who was essentially living life for 279 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,640 free at the expense of everybody's time and energy. 280 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,440 So they don't care what happens to you. 281 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:58,400 They've designed the system for them to benefit and to you to be 282 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,400 a peon, A peasant, a slave, and nobody in this like a little 283 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,200 hamster running on that wheel. Except it may have been fine at 284 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,600 the beginning, before the Ponzi became too big to to hold 285 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,680 itself. But now that it's at the end and 286 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,480 things are blowing up left and right, now it's becoming more 287 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,880 apparent who is behind. Who is responsible for all this 288 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,480 stuff? Who is responsible for all the 289 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,080 destruction in the world? Who is funding all the wars 290 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,600 around the world? Who is behind all all the 291 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,600 genocides and the murders and the innocent? 292 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,120 Deaths of human being who is behind it. 293 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,480 It's all of those behind the money printer. 294 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,200 How else are you going to fund it? 295 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,920 If you have a limitless capability to print money out of 296 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:45,240 thin air to pay for anything, then you can do anything so. 297 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,240 And then you have to ask yourself, why are some people 298 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,880 poor, right? And that is kind of like one of 299 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:52,800 the starting points. But that's the thing. 300 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,240 It goes back to my point. If you're the one printing the 301 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,680 money, you live for free forever. 302 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,520 But the more you print those that have to work for that 303 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,600 money, well, then the value of that toilet paper that they're 304 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,600 holding becomes worth less and less and less the more you print 305 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,880 and print and print. This is what's happening and and 306 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,920 ultimately. All of them. 307 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,480 Because they're all based on the same, on the same scam. 308 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,120 They're all going to 0. the US dollar, maybe the global 309 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:21,680 reserve. OK. 310 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,160 It'll be the last one to crumble, but it's on its way 311 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,280 out. It's not a new it's, it's 312 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,240 designed in the same way. There's nothing special about 313 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,800 the US dollar that distinguishes it from the euro or any other 314 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,040 currency. Yeah, now that we're talking 315 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,000 about this, I'm thinking, you know, there's there's a lot of 316 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,240 protests currently, of course, you know, around around Israel, 317 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,960 Palestine now that now. So now that we're talking, I'm 318 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:51,080 thinking this is actually a great opportunity, I'd say also 319 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:56,440 to educate people, you know, the people who are protesting also, 320 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,280 you know, people who don't want war. 321 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,320 Nobody wants war, obviously, to help them understand that they 322 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,200 are actually paying for it, right? 323 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,160 So you're objecting something that you are are paying for it. 324 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,760 You don't know that you're paying for it. 325 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,319 But maybe that is like an angle we should actually utilize, 326 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:13,880 right? To show them that yes, you 327 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,079 should be, you should be even more mad because you're paying 328 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:19,720 for the bombs that they're using you know that you are that you 329 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:24,240 are protesting against. And yeah it's just a thought 330 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,920 that I had now like I think that would be good because I I feel 331 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,080 that, you know there's lots of dimensions where you know lots 332 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,160 of threats that that we could show people that they can pull, 333 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,400 you know, to to get on their own path to learn about Bitcoin. 334 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:37,840 Right. I don't think you can Orange 335 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,880 Bill someone. You have to Orange Bill yourself 336 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,000 to, to understand Bitcoin, right? 337 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,000 But this could be one of those things to actually make this 338 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,320 even more clear that all of the wars are actually funded by the 339 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,280 people, you know, by the civilians that are also the 340 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,640 casualties. That's right of these wars, 341 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,160 right? So it's it's like a perpetual, 342 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,720 perpetual thing. That's right. 343 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,320 And if you want to stop this, you have to opt out of the 344 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,200 system to defund it, you know, That's the only way, I mean. 345 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,720 There's two ways There's two ways you can solve this. 346 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,640 Either the world goes to war globally, you know, and starts 347 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,080 killing each other, then the survival of the fittest, or you 348 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,880 try the peaceful way, which is what Bitcoin somehow 349 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:23,200 miraculously was able to do, was to peacefully defund those 350 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,960 crimes. You know if you if you opt. 351 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,920 Out of the Fiat system? Well, then you know it. 352 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,560 It crumbles eventually on its own because nobody's using it. 353 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,880 It becomes it becomes worthless that way, but as long as you 354 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,320 stay stuck in it. One Not only are you screwing 355 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,840 yourself as a person because your entire value and life 356 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,560 savings are becoming meaningless, but you are 357 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:48,640 continuing to empower the scam, the Ponzi, the the crimes, 358 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,640 whatever you want to call them. All those bad things you 359 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:57,760 continue to support by being stuck into that system that you 360 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,680 know. That is fueled by it. 361 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:04,240 Yeah, well, and it's especially true, I think not like I view 362 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,440 bit getting into Bitcoin, not as buying Bitcoin. 363 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,120 I see it as moving wealth from, you know, a crumbling and and 364 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:14,920 and flawed system to a system that that provably works. 365 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,920 Right. So you move that away and and 366 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,520 that's in line with what you're saying, right? 367 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:24,440 Like as long as you keep your savings, your wealth in a bank, 368 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,800 they can use that money to you know to loan out again to create 369 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,680 new money etcetera to fund, to fund all these things. 370 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:35,720 But once you move that little block of wealth or savings that 371 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,200 you have to this other system, then it's actually then it's 372 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:44,200 out, right. And then you A save yourself and 373 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:49,040 B also, you know, make the the pile of money that they can 374 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,360 utilize smaller in a sense. Yeah. 375 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:56,800 And like fundamentally, like if you put that all aside, I mean, 376 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,040 who in their right mind, knowing everything that's that's known 377 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,200 now, would want to continue living their life knowing that 378 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,800 the money that they own first of all is not theirs, second of all 379 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,400 is not controlled by them, and third of all can be. 380 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,360 Taken away, censored, weaponized, sanctioned, whatever 381 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:18,160 you want to call it against you at a click of a button by the 382 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,440 decisions of some random psychopath. 383 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,120 That just decides one day that, you know, he wants things a 384 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:28,760 certain way, and then all of a sudden now you're labeled as a 385 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,360 criminal or a terrorist or whatever other label that they 386 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:36,040 give you. Yeah, So you. 387 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,800 Yeah. So you've talked a lot about 388 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,160 like the urgency also to get into Bitcoin. 389 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,200 Why does everyone need Bitcoin and why now? 390 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,480 And also into it in the West. Bit Bitcoin is your ticket to 391 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,880 freedom. Forget the number, go up, forget 392 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,320 the the dollar signs that you see on the screen every time you 393 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,360 know the Bitcoin pumps. This is not what Bitcoin's 394 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:56,680 about. What Bitcoin's about is that 395 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,800 without it you are going to be living a life of a slave, of a 396 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,400 meaningless donkey whose life is dictated by someone that doesn't 397 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,400 give a damn about you. That, that, that thinks that 398 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,920 they know how you should eat, sleep, drink and live your life. 399 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,960 That's what the Bitcoin value is the number go up. 400 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:22,800 That's like a like a side effect of of of of the of the whole. 401 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,560 Indicator of adoption. Based Yes, because of the finite 402 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,080 supply, there's 21 million. Well, technically there's less 403 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,760 because there's about 5 million have been lost, God knows where. 404 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,840 So technically we have about 17,000,000. 405 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:37,320 So as the world understands this and starts to realize, OK, well 406 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,080 this is what I want now and not that garbage toilet paper that 407 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,000 I've been saving in. Well, the man shock is infinite. 408 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,240 Supply shock is fixed. Boom number goes up. 409 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,800 You know this is where that number goes up phenomena, how 410 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,480 everybody gets excited now over it. 411 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,280 That's because when you don't have an understanding of 412 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,640 everything, that's all that turns you on is when you see 413 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,480 that number turn green. But this is not what it's about 414 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,520 when you realize that your life is that a life of a of a slave 415 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,320 or a free human being, which is what I think the world at some 416 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,880 point as we transition will be divided into. 417 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,520 There's going to be part of the world that are going to be 418 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,680 living like kings and Queens, free to do whatever the hell 419 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,400 they want. And there's going to be another 420 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,440 part of them that are going to be attached to some digital ID, 421 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,400 like some village donkey that have to make sure that their 422 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,360 point system doesn't go below a certain threshold. 423 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,840 So they can continue buying their food, they can continue 424 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,480 traveling, they can continue existing so to speak. 425 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,760 So if you're that type of individual that wants to live 426 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,120 the life of a village donkey, then do nothing. 427 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,880 But if you have any form of self value, self dignity, if you have 428 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,680 a family, if you have kids that you care about, that you want 429 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,320 them to live in a future where they make their own decisions 430 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,680 and not have them been subjugated by the decisions of 431 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,640 of a criminal organization, then it then it's your obligation, 432 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:56,400 your duty, your responsibility as a as a parent to get your 433 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,240 funds out of the system and as close as possible as to one 434 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:05,160 Bitcoin Or more as fast as you can before they come in and 435 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,680 vacuum clean the supply from all global exchanges. 436 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,560 At which point unless you're sitting on hundreds of millions 437 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,720 of dollars, you're not buying anything anymore. 438 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,920 It's not to say you're not going to benefit from Bitcoin, but at 439 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,120 that point your days of casualties, strolling in and 440 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:21,080 buying, you know, X amount, those are gone. 441 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,280 You will have to earn Bitcoin and by that means you have to be 442 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,720 offering some form of value that someone is willing to pay for. 443 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,800 So you will still benefit from Bitcoin, but it'll become much 444 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,520 harder and take much longer for you to to get, you know the the 445 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,760 amount that you can easily do right now since we're we are 446 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,360 currently in the transition phase. 447 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,720 Yeah, a few points there. I think what I love that also 448 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,840 comes back here is that once you understand that Bitcoin is the 449 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,880 hardest money to ever exist, the best money to ever exist, you 450 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,360 wouldn't want to be rewarded in anything else when you deliver, 451 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,280 you know, a product or a service or a job or whatever, right? 452 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,040 So people will start demanding Bitcoin, but the the people will 453 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,280 have the Bitcoin and want to pay for these services. 454 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,840 They want the highest quality service because they have the 455 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,840 hardest money to ever exist, right. 456 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:21,280 So that will create an interesting world I'd say where 457 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,880 you know, when we talk about like meritocracy or just who, 458 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,960 who is the best person to provide certain product or 459 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,840 service, like you have to actually deliver value. 460 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,520 There's no, some people say rent seeking anymore, right? 461 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,480 You cannot profit from the fact that currently in the Fiat 462 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,360 system you you can just, you know, tinker around and and do 463 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:46,280 stuff like you have to actually start adding value because the 464 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,480 the money is so hard that, yeah, you have to compete more to 465 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,520 actually be able to earn that that that new money, right. 466 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,680 I found it interesting that that that comes back a lot. 467 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,040 But also when I wanted to ask you like what advice would you 468 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,200 give, you know, a millennial who's just starting out to 469 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,400 explore Bitcoin for personal finance, you you actually nailed 470 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,760 it. I think when you said when you 471 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,320 realize you know that you're currently in the system, that is 472 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,200 where you gave your responsibility away or the 473 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,520 responsibility about, you know, what the money you use is worth 474 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,520 if it's actually yours. You know who holds it? 475 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,720 If, if any is in the bank, by the way, if you want to take it 476 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:33,520 out, like, do you want that or do you want to get? 477 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,800 And I think This is why people find it hard, right? 478 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,520 Do you want to get all the responsibility? 479 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,680 But then you're actually free, right? 480 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,040 So I've talked to friends of mine who like one friend. 481 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,200 I think it's net worth, like 5 million or something. 482 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,800 And he once said to me like, OK, but if I have a million in 483 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,720 Bitcoin, am I solely responsible for for the security? 484 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,840 And of course, you know, there's, there's different ways 485 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,480 you can set this up. But I think the answer is yes, 486 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,520 right? You are the ultimate gatekeeper 487 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,320 in a sense, right? So, so all that responsibility 488 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,840 that you never experienced before because you put all the 489 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,200 money in the bank is now, is now yours. 490 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,880 And I see that people struggle with that as well. 491 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:15,760 Like how? What is? 492 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,200 What is your experience there? Yeah, of course. 493 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,720 I mean the whole, the whole responsibility factor. 494 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,800 I mean, it's for some bizarre reason, it petrifies people and 495 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,800 I don't understand why. And I for a lot of people, I 496 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,080 think it's just laziness or or fear. 497 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,600 It's lazy. It's it's a combination of 498 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,520 laziness and fear. Some folks are so afraid 499 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,440 somehow, even even some of the most educated folks, you know, 500 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,960 they're so afraid that somehow the government, the government, 501 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,680 the government is going to come and stop this. 502 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:47,400 So they paralyze themselves in in in this fear, you know, and 503 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,000 that restricts them from doing any rational decision. 504 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,160 So they remain stuck in this, in this Ponzi because of their 505 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,120 fear. But what they don't realize is 506 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:02,960 by them being stuck all they're doing is continuing to empower 507 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,200 that rubbish into remaining into existence. 508 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:11,320 Whereas if you take the steps to opt out, nobody's saying opt out 509 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,000 for overnight into 100%, but at least start making a 510 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,840 transgression and start sitting down and learning and studying 511 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,720 as to why this is important. And in my experience, the more 512 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,480 you, an individual learns and understands the the higher the 513 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,120 allocation that they contribute to Bitcoin on themselves like 514 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:35,200 their as their conviction grows, so does their allocation because 515 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,200 they realize, hold on a second, what am I saving this money in 516 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,720 the bank for? This is complete rubbish. 517 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,560 I don't want this this thing anymore. 518 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,560 I want that. And another thing with Bitcoin 519 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,360 is that it's a virtual it's a virtual item. 520 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,840 It's not a physical substance. Like, if I gave you a barrel of 521 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,840 diamonds and I put it in your living room and I told you here 522 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,160 it's yours, what would you do? You'd barricade the whole living 523 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,400 room. You'd put up, you'd put up 524 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,200 walls, you'd, you'd bring your wife, you'd make her sit on top 525 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,520 of that barrel so it doesn't move. 526 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,480 You know, like you would do anything, because you see that 527 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,120 barrel of diamonds sitting in front of you. 528 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,960 And the ideas that will come to your head to protect it are 529 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,400 infinite at that point. But Bitcoin, it's a, it's an 530 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,320 invisible thing. It's a virtual currency. 531 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,040 Like, you can't, you can't touch it. 532 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:22,160 So for a lot of folks, especially those that are not 533 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,200 coming from like an IT background or like are 534 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,080 comfortable in the tech space in general, for them it's like. 535 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,000 It's. Like they can't relate to it, 536 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,320 you know, they they don't see it as something of substance, as 537 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:38,080 something real. And that is, that is a big, big 538 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,720 flaw in their reasoning. Because it comes from ignorance, 539 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,360 obviously. It comes from ignorance, lack of 540 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,200 knowledge, lack of understanding and more importantly the the the 541 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,960 lack of willing to sit down, listen and learn something new. 542 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,280 Because this we've never had anything like Bitcoin. 543 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,200 Self custody is a new concept that the world has never known, 544 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,320 you know, But again, like you'd like, like with anything in life 545 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,360 like like this, the most basic things like driving a car when 546 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,760 somebody's born, you're not a driver. 547 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,240 You have to sit down, take a course, get in a car, you know, 548 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,840 get into a few accidents until you learn, then you become a 549 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:10,640 driver. Right. 550 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,320 So this, this is, this is no different. 551 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,160 You have to sit down, learn, OK, you'll screw up a few times 552 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,880 along the way, but then you'll learn, You'll understand that 553 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,440 this is the right approach. The the the biggest screw up you 554 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,640 can do, the biggest accident you can get into is to do nothing 555 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,840 and go through. What I went through, what an 556 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,480 entire bloody country went through, is that when you think 557 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,920 your life is so pristine and then you wake up the next 558 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,600 morning and it's been completely formatted, that's. 559 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,840 You don't even understand why. And you don't understand why and 560 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,560 and nobody, nobody explains it to you. 561 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,360 And then you understand that you've been robbed. 562 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,840 That's essentially what it is. Yeah. 563 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,840 The criminal organization came, decided, OK, fuck you, you don't 564 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,560 matter. Take away everybody's money. 565 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,600 This is exactly what what what happens in a situation like 566 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,520 this. So again, it's a decision. 567 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,480 You either believe it or you don't believe it, but either 568 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,320 way, the result is the same. If you believe it, you might 569 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,880 take the proper measures to protect yourself and learn about 570 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,640 this thing that thankfully we have. 571 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,480 Because if we didn't have Bitcoin, the future would be 572 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,640 very dire. Honestly, to be very I don't 573 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,360 even want to imagine what kind of, like horrendous future we 574 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,160 would have. Thankfully, whoever Satoshi 575 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,920 Nakamoto is, whoever they is, they they are genuinely a gift 576 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,360 from the heavens to the planet because we finally have a viable 577 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,680 exit that nobody can screw around with, nobody can 578 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,520 manipulate, nobody can touch, nobody can abuse. 579 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,000 But it's so good to be true that a lot of people don't make the 580 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,560 move. Like like how retarded is that? 581 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,240 You know? It's like, so it's going to take 582 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,520 time. We're like, I mean, we're doing 583 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:55,000 what we can here to help push the education, remove the 584 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,600 technical hurdles. We're doing the work for you. 585 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:58,960 You don't have to break your head. 586 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,520 I will do it for you. I'll get you from zero to 587 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,200 bulletproof in two hours and you will learn how to use Bitcoin as 588 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,400 comfortably as a credit card. Don't worry about it, but make 589 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,400 the decision to want to move from where you are now to a 590 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,760 better place. That's all you have to do, the 591 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,920 resources to help you get there. There's plenty, there's us, 592 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,520 there's many resources online. There's a lot of amazing other 593 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,640 people doing this type of work that people can revert to. 594 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,720 But it's again, you have to make a conscious decision that I 595 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,240 don't want to live a life of a donkey. 596 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,720 I want to live as a free individual. 597 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,320 And I want my kids, if you have them, to be able to determine 598 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,720 what kind of future they want, not one dictated by some 599 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,880 psychopath that has no interest in their well-being. 600 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,360 Yeah. And so I think we talked about 601 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,920 it a bit. But like you at the at the 602 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,720 Bitcoin way, you talk with lots of different people and 603 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,080 newcomers you know about Bitcoin, What's the what's 604 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,400 what's like the biggest mental mental hurdle that that people 605 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,200 need to get over before they start researching or adopting or 606 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,880 maybe start listening to you? Like what's the what's what's 607 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,800 what's the main thing from your experience? 608 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,520 It's it's it's fear. You know, it's the the a lot of 609 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,840 folks come to us. I mean they they have some basic 610 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,680 understanding. They also come with a lot of 611 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,880 preconceptions. A lot of them are come with a 612 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,400 lot of apprehensions, you know, the same, the same, a lot of the 613 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,240 same myths. You know is the government going 614 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,400 to stop it? Is it going to go to zero? 615 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,960 Can it be stolen? Can it be this? 616 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,080 Can it be that, You know, like a lot of the common, the common 617 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,640 myths that we've seen repeated over time, we do our best to 618 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,560 debunk them? OK, like, I mean, we're very 619 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,520 patient with everybody at at the Bitcoin Way. 620 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,440 There's absolutely no stupid questions. 621 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,360 You ask whatever you want. It's no problem. 622 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,680 Nobody, like everybody, understands that this is new. 623 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,120 Your question to you may be stupid, but it's not. 624 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,120 It may not necessarily be a stupid question. 625 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,600 As long as it makes sense to you at the end of the day that that 626 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,960 like, it improves your understanding of why you're 627 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,120 here, that's all that matters. So we try to push that 628 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,720 education, put people at ease telling them, you know, 629 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,960 explaining, you know, the fundamentals, the truth. 630 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,800 We put the truth out. And then we tell them we 631 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,920 understand you don't have a tech background, you're not 632 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,000 comfortable on a computer, you don't want to do the work. 633 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,360 No problem. We will help you do it. 634 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,600 We will do it for you, with you. And at the end of it, it's also 635 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,680 going to become like an educational journey. 636 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,040 So by the time I'm done explaining all the steps that 637 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,840 are required, you should be in a position where you're like, you 638 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,840 know what, it's not so bad. You know, it's like it's it's 639 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,440 not so different from using a credit card. 640 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,040 I know how to send, I know how to receive. 641 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,720 And then all of a sudden, you know you start, people become 642 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,000 more interested on their own once you know they have a 643 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,520 foundational structure in place. They learn, they ask questions, 644 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,320 they come back, we do more advanced stuff. 645 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,160 It's an ongoing journey. I mean, Bitcoin is not a set it 646 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,120 and forget it solution because it's technology and like with 647 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,520 any technology, there's progressions there, fine tuning, 648 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,120 there's improvements and you know, we make sure we're always 649 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,080 on top of this to to to to make sure that the whole setup is 650 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:10,199 always fine-tuned at all times. So what's the biggest myth that 651 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,199 that you wish to debunk? Biggest myth around Bitcoin. 652 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,199 Yeah, the government's going to stop it. 653 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:17,880 I'm like, buddy, the government's going to stop it 654 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,159 would have done it a long time ago. 655 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:21,400 You know, like the government could have stopped it. 656 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,800 If they paid attention to it the way they are now back in 2009, 657 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,480 they could have probably killed it. 658 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,199 But you know, Fast forward 1515 years later, The thing is so 659 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,560 decentralized and secure and it continues to exponentially 660 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,560 become so every 10 minutes. Now it's game over and now it's 661 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,120 not even in their best interest to try to destroy it. 662 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,159 Any intelligent government at this point would be rushing to 663 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:49,080 adopt it in order to remain any, to have any form of 664 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,920 significance, you know, in the global, in the global shape of 665 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,560 the world going forward. But what what it does is that 666 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,320 you know it eliminates the corruption. 667 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,440 Because you know if you if you make a stupid decision the 668 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,600 bitcoins gone, you're not going to print it and and and bring it 669 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,320 back that way. So it makes you think 100 times 670 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,160 before you make you know make a make a stupid move, wars 671 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,280 disappear, corruption disappears. 672 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,760 Most bad things in the world disappear because you have to 673 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,040 fund them all these things don't just happen out of thin air. 674 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,040 You have to fund them somehow. So if that if that money printer 675 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,280 is destroyed, what are you going to fund it with? 676 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,800 Are you expecting the population to give you their satoshis to go 677 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,600 fight a war that they don't give a shit about? 678 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,080 No one's going to give you anything. 679 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:40,000 Well it's it's the the same principles what we talked about 680 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,080 before in the in the the the meritocracy of the market will 681 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,680 actually come back to the government right. 682 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,520 I last last like also to the to the government. 683 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,920 Like last week I listened to podcast where they talked about 684 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:59,440 how Texas started right and I think it was a example of a king 685 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,280 of Belgium. If I if I get it right, like and 686 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:10,080 1st the the kings would propose what they would need money for, 687 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,400 right? So they would say like oh this 688 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,680 other Kingdom is trying to you know steal land from us or 689 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,880 whatever and we need to fight them or else you know some of 690 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,880 our people will get killed or we have to defend our our border, 691 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,440 right. So they would propose plans and 692 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,720 then get money. But now we give money and we 693 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,240 don't know about the plans, right. 694 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,520 And even if there's taxes for, I don't know, you know plastic use 695 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,480 on fruits, the the, the, the what they make with the taxes on 696 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,160 that plastic is not then spent on making better fruit or 697 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,680 reducing plastic or whatever. It just goes in a big pot and 698 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,160 then goes, goes wherever. So I feel that once we would go 699 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,520 back to Bitcoin or we would go to Bitcoin and the people are 700 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,440 more sovereign, they will say well if you want part of our 701 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,520 money so you know the country that we live in becomes better 702 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,280 like I'm I'm not necessarily opposed to tax taxes. 703 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,000 I think it makes sense you know if you, if, you, if you live in 704 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,720 the country Texas in some way, but you have to know what the 705 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:16,760 plan is and the people need to agree that that is actually a 706 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,840 good plan, right. So we like, like we will go back 707 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:25,960 to the sovereignty of of the people and and the politicians 708 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,520 or leadership are at the mercy of the people and not the other 709 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,160 way around as it is right now. Yes. 710 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,920 No, I completely agree. I mean, what Bitcoin will do is 711 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,560 that it'll actually force governments to do what they were 712 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,560 meant to do. And that's to serve the people, 713 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,000 not, not not to coerce them and to dictate how they're supposed 714 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,160 to live their lives, you know? So if you if if a government 715 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:52,200 wants taxes, OK, what are they providing in in return for these 716 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,640 taxes? Right now, they're not providing 717 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,720 anything right now. They're threatening to to throw 718 00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:01,040 you in jail or in some places to kill you if you don't pay taxes. 719 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,800 What what value is this? This is like value by by by 720 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,760 corruption and tyranny that that's that's that's not a 721 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,080 viable approach. This is not something that is 722 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,040 sustainable or that should be tolerated. 723 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,400 Yeah. So people know better than, 724 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,480 yeah, the people they are supposed to serve. 725 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,680 Exactly. And most people pay taxes not 726 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,920 because they enjoy it, It's because they're petrified. 727 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,360 So unless you have your own army, OK, so if you want to go 728 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,360 back to historical times, if you don't agree with someone, it 729 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,160 would always break up into violence. 730 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,640 You know, it's like survival of the fittest. 731 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,320 But today, you know with with what's what's going on over the 732 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,880 past decades, this attack on masculinity, masculinity, 733 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,200 political correctness, politically correct that 734 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,920 everybody's afraid of their own shadows to speak, you know, 735 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,960 well, you know, you, you sort of like neuter a big percentage of 736 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,160 the population. And that works when you're in a 737 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,160 position of of of tyranny because you have no opposition 738 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,360 at that point. But you see now this tide is 739 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,720 starting to, is starting to change. 740 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:04,520 People are starting to realize that no, you know, this is not 741 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,400 a, this is not a valid point of authority. 742 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,520 This is a criminal, this is a, this is a corrupt organization. 743 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,000 These people should not be listened to. 744 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,640 You know and and and you know there are armies being formed 745 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,600 and at some point, you know, if this doesn't get controlled 746 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,760 somehow, I don't see how the peaceful approach can be 747 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,720 sustained. You know, like, I mean, at at 748 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:31,360 some point if you try to reason and it doesn't work, you know, 749 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,000 and somebody bullies you, you may be tolerant, you may be 750 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,560 fearful, you may be like passive. 751 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,080 But at some point you're going to reach your breaking point. 752 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,960 And everybody's breaking point is at a different stage. 753 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,880 But more importantly, you don't know how every individual reacts 754 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,600 when they hit that breaking point. 755 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,440 I've seen good people, good people, people that have never 756 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:59,360 harmed a family in their Life. OK, they are holding people up 757 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:04,120 at gunpoint, not because they want to hurt them, but because 758 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,120 they're so desperate that they need to eat. 759 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,320 They don't want to hurt them, but they want to do something so 760 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,280 they can get some money to put food on the table. 761 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,600 Those are the the scenes you see from Lebanon, right, where 762 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,840 people hold up a bank, not to rob the bank, but. 763 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,920 Just to get. Get what they own. 764 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,440 It's they only want their own money. 765 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,760 That's right. So if. 766 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,040 If if you're put in a predicament like this, are you 767 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,200 all of a sudden a criminal or a terrorist? 768 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,320 Or are you a victim, a casualty of a system that was designed to 769 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,000 destroy your life? And it has? 770 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,640 When your turn comes, you understand. 771 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,520 This is what I fear the most. Because you know, if if what 772 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,880 happened in Lebanon reaches like goes global, but at the same 773 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,600 time you, you've got one hell of a problem on your hands because 774 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,840 then you won't, you won't be, you won't feel safe going 775 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,720 outside. I mean, in the US alone, if my 776 00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:08,200 math is right, they have over 300 million privately owned 777 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,240 assault weapons. OK, so if these people get. 778 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,400 If, if these people. Are subjected to the same 779 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,320 lockout from their life savings as they did in Lebanon. 780 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,640 What do you think will happen? Yeah. 781 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,360 So yeah, first thing I think. Is total anarchy? 782 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,160 Yeah, because there's no central. 783 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:34,280 There's also no, I'd say like common belief or understanding 784 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,120 or something that binds people, right? 785 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,760 So you will get a lot of different factions of people, 786 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,880 probably based on very basic principles, right? 787 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,440 Like who has food, who has a gun, who has a car? 788 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,760 Exactly, And then it goes down really quick. 789 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,760 Exactly. And this is what I'm trying to 790 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:56,040 warn about is because I've seen it happen in one place, I don't 791 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,200 see how any other place is immune to it. 792 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,560 Some people might think, oh, this is just the Middle East, 793 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,720 They're always been crazy over there, Sure, but you're all 794 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:08,600 using the same cause, which is the Fiat money that is going to 795 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,360 shit and it's eventually going to reach you. 796 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,040 You're you're not, you know, if you're living in some fancy 797 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,560 place, doesn't mean you're immune to it. 798 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,240 It just means it's going to take a little bit longer to get you, 799 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,480 to get you. But it's it's coming. 800 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,640 So all these things nobody talks about, like not many people talk 801 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,480 about, but these are the points that, you know, that keep me up 802 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,640 at night in my thoughts. It's like I don't want to see 803 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,400 that happen anywhere. I don't want to see people get 804 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,960 hurt. I don't want to see people 805 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,520 having to find themselves in a predicament to do things they 806 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,040 don't want to do, you know? Here we go, that thumbs up again 807 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,440 with the camera. But actually this I think is one 808 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,400 of the, I don't know if it's first principles thinking, but 809 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,160 it's it's thinking in a way that will help you to challenge your 810 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,720 own beliefs, right? Like that. 811 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,160 Because it is, it is, it has happened somewhere else. 812 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,280 It means it can also happen where you live, right. 813 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,280 And of course, like the consequence of that is a scary 814 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,080 thought. But it has helped me a lot to to 815 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,520 actually challenge myself, right? 816 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:20,000 Like I could feel or want to feel or my when my ego talks, 817 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,440 it's like, no, no, no, that's never going to happen here 818 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,000 because yeah, whatever. Middle East or we are better or 819 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,120 what, whatever. Stupid arguments. 820 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,960 But you have to accept that once you accept that, if it happened 821 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,640 somewhere else, it can also happen here. 822 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,720 Especially, you know you said because the underlying system, 823 00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:40,080 the mechanics of the system, is exactly the same. 824 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,120 Holy shit, right? Like then? 825 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:51,480 You open your mind to actually start gathering the information 826 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,440 of the location where you are at, right? 827 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,920 OK, well how does it work here? Is it really that bad? 828 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,120 Right? And all the people, I find it so 829 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,440 interesting, right? Like when, when, when, when all 830 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,560 these different little parts or steps along the way of a Bitcoin 831 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,280 journey, when they click right. You cannot look back, you cannot 832 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,640 Unsee all these things. So now when I see people talk 833 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,040 about for example, the, you know, the situation in America 834 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,880 where they say like, no, like soft landing, nothing's going to 835 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,840 happen, America this and that and blah blah, we have an army 836 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,040 or like all any stupid argument they have right. 837 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,200 You now see that it's not true. It's not true because the 838 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,920 underlying system is the same. And and what you just said I 839 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:37,000 think is what more people should understand is it might take a 840 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,280 little longer but because the mechanics are the same you, you, 841 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,400 you can easily argue that it's going that way, right. 842 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,480 You don't need any fancy research about. 843 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:52,720 It's just logical sequential thinking in a way And once you 844 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:56,240 adopt that and and keep like all the all the blah blah to the 845 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:59,680 site, then you know you cannot predict when it's going to go 846 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,720 down and all these things. But you can start accepting and 847 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:06,840 integrating just for yourself that OK, I am I'm also in a 848 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,800 situation like this potentially in the future so I need to start 849 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,320 doing things right. But I feel, because it's so 850 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,400 uncomfortable, that a lot of people do, you know, they follow 851 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,520 the ego path or they follow the, you know, simple explainers they 852 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:26,320 hear from experts or professors or or whatever to just, you 853 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,440 know, ease their uncomfortable feelings. 854 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,760 Yeah, well, unfortunately, we live in a time that if you want 855 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,840 to be comfortable, you're going to have to be uncomfortable for 856 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,280 a little while to do the to do the work, to do what's required 857 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,120 to take you back into that comfort zone later on. 858 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,040 Thankfully, you know what? They're hard. 859 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,320 There are many jurisdictions around the world, you know, that 860 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:54,520 are not as as coercive and negative and are not adopting 861 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,040 the same, you know, tyrannical games. 862 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,600 That's other countries unfortunately are. 863 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,480 And people are voting with their feet and their money. 864 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,960 You know, they're packing up and they're leaving. 865 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,160 As difficult as a decision as it is because, yeah, I mean you 866 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,520 have to uproot, you have maybe have friends, families, 867 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,000 whatever. It's not, it's not an easy 868 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,240 decision. But if it's the decision that 869 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:19,800 determines whether you live like a free, free and dignified human 870 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:25,000 being with a good quality of of life or not, the choice is not 871 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,400 hard. You pack your stuff up, you 872 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,320 move, you get you, you adjust, you go through that little 873 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,560 adjustment period, it's not going to kill you. 874 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,720 Eventually you'll realize that you know you're in a much better 875 00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:40,280 situation. Your life is good, has actually 876 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,480 leveled up, your kids are OK. Their futures are looking bright 877 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,760 and you know things somehow fall into place. 878 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,080 But in order to do this, you have to be in a position where 879 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,400 you control your money. Because if you don't control 880 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,520 your money, you have nothing. In this world, you can't do 881 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,760 anything without money. So you don't want to have your 882 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,520 funds somewhere that somebody else is deciding what you can do 883 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,280 with them and at the same time debasing what they're worth. 884 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,240 Yeah, and this is also why you know you're a big advocate of 885 00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:18,800 self custody. Why that is then also so 886 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:23,760 important once you move to Bitcoin that you also adopt this 887 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,840 that you know self, self custody of of your Bitcoin. 888 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,320 Like, can you share a bit about that, not only technical, but 889 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,520 but also how it impacts people's sovereignty? 890 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,520 You cannot trust anybody anymore with your money. 891 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,120 I don't care who it is. I don't care how 892 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,440 well-intentioned they are. You cannot trust anybody with 893 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:43,880 your money. The only person who's supposed 894 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,760 to be responsible for your funds should be you. 895 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,760 Because as we've seen too many times, you know things blow up. 896 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,680 You know that path of least resistance, that path of 897 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,480 convenience, that whole convenience thing is what 898 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,680 usually leads to problems. Self custody is not hard. 899 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,080 Self custody is just new, OK? You just have to learn a few 900 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,080 steps. Once you get to know them, you 901 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,920 you practice them a few times, They become normalized in your 902 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,800 life and you you know it's as if you've always known it since 903 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,640 since the beginning of time. But you have to again. 904 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,480 You have to be willing to accept that, OK, I need to learn this 905 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,120 for the sake of XY and Z and do the work. 906 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,120 Proof of work. You have to do the work, you 907 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,080 know, the whole, like throwing the responsibility onto someone 908 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,480 else. That's suicide now. 909 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,240 Now you have to be a complete moron if you still believe in 910 00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:39,800 that ideology that somebody else is going to take care of your 911 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,680 money. I mean, if that's the case, you 912 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,440 deserve to lose it at that point if you still haven't learned 913 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,440 anything from the past three years. 914 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,640 So that's what I think. This is why I don't like third 915 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,840 party custodians. I don't advocate them. 916 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,640 I never recommend them. Nobody's too stupid to 917 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,000 understand and learn self custody no matter how old you 918 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,640 are. We have clients of all ages. 919 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,440 Most of them are of an older generation. 920 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:09,200 I'm talking like mid 50s, sixties and up, fully sovereign. 921 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,760 Not coming from a technical background, regular folks from 922 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,480 all wakes of of of life. They they understood it. 923 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,840 OK, so no one is too dumb for self custody, but some people 924 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,440 are too lazy to want to learn it. 925 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,760 That's that's a whole other conversation. 926 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,680 Yeah, it's actually touches on one of the like thought 927 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:42,040 frameworks that has helped me also get more into this this 928 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,320 place where what you said like if you want to trust other 929 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,360 people with your wealth or sovereignty, other people that 930 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,200 also have egos, they have the same life problems, they have 931 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,440 their same personal problems, like everyone has something, 932 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,640 right? Like it's not that those people 933 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,480 that you give that responsibility have a super easy 934 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,240 and nice life in the sense that they can give all their 935 00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:11,720 attention to you, right? No, it's it's they have their 936 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:18,600 own personal things and own wants and needs and and and you 937 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,240 know, like it's it. They have the same life. 938 00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:24,760 So it's just like once you realize that that they have the 939 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,560 same problems, but they also are not smarter than you. 940 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,200 They are not better than you, right. 941 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,720 We are. We are all the same. 942 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:38,400 Then why in the world would you defer that responsibility to 943 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,800 that other person, right. It does not. 944 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,880 It does not make logical sense, you know. 945 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,680 And some people would reply to that, yeah, but you have legal 946 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,200 agreements etcetera. But but those are also other 947 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,760 people that that will then legitimize that, right. 948 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,280 Or if you go to court and there's a judge, it's to say 949 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,640 it's, it's, it's no different, It's actually even abstracting 950 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,240 the responsibility further and further away because you put it 951 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:04,880 in a legal document. And if I have a problem, well 952 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,880 then I go to court, etcetera. No, like this is if you 953 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,920 rationally go through it, that already sounds and is way more 954 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,920 work and way more headache than going through the process of 955 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,560 what you just said, learning how it works, you know, battling 956 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,520 that there's those own beliefs, just being uncomfortable for a 957 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,560 certain time and then be comfortable. 958 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:35,400 And also I think proud of yourself, you know, instead of 959 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:41,400 keep living in this uncertainty and and and and the deferring of 960 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,880 the responsibility to to other people, right. 961 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,720 But but in general I think this is like a life challenge for 962 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,080 anyone, right? Like are you able to be 963 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,600 uncomfortable for a short amount of time to, you know, short term 964 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:58,240 pain, long term gain, instead of, you know, constantly staying 965 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:01,760 in a state of, you know, restlessness or anxiety or. 966 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,720 You know, there's a very, there's a very powerful sense of 967 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,920 of accomplishment. When you understand Bitcoin and 968 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,040 get involved in it, and you like you, you become, you understand 969 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,200 the concept of self custody. It's a very, it's a very 970 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:21,440 powerful position to be in because you very quickly realize 971 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:26,920 that financially speaking, you are untouchable because you 972 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,280 know, if somebody decides, yeah, you know, like you know the 973 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,560 whole concept of about fuck you money, this is it. 974 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,560 I mean, there hasn't been better Fuck You money before. 975 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,080 Before, no. Matter how much you have. 976 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,840 It doesn't really matter how much you have. 977 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,560 It's yours, you know, like you want to send it to someone, you 978 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,920 do it. There's no questions to ask, no 979 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,760 permissions to ask. You know, you're not there. 980 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:48,280 Pleading. Go. 981 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,520 Please, please, please let me send my money or let me take out 982 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,400 my money. You know you don't. 983 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,720 You're not, you're not in that predicament anymore. 984 00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:58,440 You know you are your own person in control of your own funds, 985 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,520 your own life. It's it's an extremely powerful 986 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,400 position to be in. It's extremely free position to 987 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,680 be in. And you know, like my advice to 988 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,840 to to anyone is like if you're if you're still lingering, 989 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,600 wondering if this is like a scam or something that's going to 990 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,760 disappear or something that's going to be coerced by the 991 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,120 government, get your head out of wherever it is. 992 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,080 Sit down, spend 5 minutes online. 993 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:23,920 Stop. Listening to. 994 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,360 Other people and and stop listening to this rubbish and 995 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,520 hiding behind your finger, you know, trying to find all sorts 996 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,360 of excuses not to do the work. Because ultimately, like I said, 997 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,000 whether you believe it or don't believe it, the result is the 998 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,800 same. When your turn comes, you are 999 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,440 going to blow up just like the people before you. 1000 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,400 There's nothing special about you or your bank account that 1001 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:52,400 Shields you from what's coming. So it's it's not a hard 1002 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,080 decision. And you know, again, there's 1003 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,080 plenty of resources you want to pay someone to help you. 1004 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,480 You're more than welcome. You want to do the research on 1005 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,480 your own and do it for free online. 1006 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,360 You're welcome. Just do something. 1007 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:11,040 Yep, that's interesting. It's interesting that it's such 1008 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,440 a psychological journey, right? Like you have to overcome this 1009 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,720 hurdle. You have to think for yourself, 1010 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,360 think for yourself and trust yourself and trust yourself That 1011 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:28,080 also the the the uneasiness or the anxious feeling you have 1012 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,920 about you know what money is or the inflation or whatever, 1013 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,840 whatever your you know starting point is of thinking about money 1014 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,680 that that that is a correct feeling. 1015 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,760 And. Once you go into that, more than 1016 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,000 you know you, you have to think about that for yourself. 1017 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,040 You can draw inspiration from other people, but you have to, 1018 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,520 yeah, you have to do the work, like the proof of work thing 1019 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,760 always comes back, right. You have to do it yourself. 1020 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,400 No one will tell you like we are talking about this, But anyone 1021 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,280 listening who's maybe on the fence, like, yeah, go do do it. 1022 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,280 Please, please do it. Like just spend the day, spend 1023 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,840 the weekend. Like, just just do it. 1024 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,560 And and what helps, I mean on this journey it's it's good to, 1025 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,960 you know get to know like minded people. 1026 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,000 It's really helps a lot. And in the Bitcoin space there's 1027 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,440 there's a tremendous amount of some of the most amazing people 1028 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,880 out there. Like like truly, I've never 1029 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:30,080 encountered any Bitcoin or male or female where the interaction 1030 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,560 wasn't instantaneous. It's as if it's almost like this 1031 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,520 notion. Like you've known each other for 1032 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,480 a very long time, even though you've just met in the last 10 1033 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:44,280 seconds and everyone is so eager willing to help. 1034 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,600 So you're not alone. No one's ever alone. 1035 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,320 If you need help, you can reach out. 1036 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:54,040 There's always someone out there willing to assist, especially in 1037 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,400 the Bitcoin community. It's almost mind blowing. 1038 00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,800 You know? When I when I first entered this 1039 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,080 whole space and just started to talk casually to people asking 1040 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,800 basic questions just to become familiar with how things are, it 1041 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,880 was the first thing that really stood out to me. 1042 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,720 Like, wow. I mean, this is like you. 1043 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,000 Like you don't. You don't. 1044 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,720 Really encounter this very often. 1045 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:18,320 It's like almost every single person that you talk to is is 1046 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,240 there for you, you know and and eventually your network of. 1047 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,320 You can call them friends or or like good acquaintances, but 1048 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,680 it's like almost like a brotherhood, like a big 1049 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,920 community. Even if it's dispersed globally, 1050 00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:35,120 you know they're within. You know an instant message away 1051 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,080 if you need something. And someone's always willing and 1052 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,440 ready to help. So it's important to become 1053 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,120 involved in this. It makes the transition a lot 1054 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,600 more fulfilling, a lot more. It gives you a much greater 1055 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,680 sense of security, a greater sense of belonging. 1056 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,520 And again, you know, if if your life dictates that you have to 1057 00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,360 uproot and move somewhere better, then that's what's 1058 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,040 written in the cards for you. This is where your future is 1059 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,800 meant to be. You know, like nothing is 1060 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,200 cemented in stone, you know you just have to be willing to do 1061 00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,040 the work, accept the changes and continuously improve your life. 1062 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,640 And this is one of the most important pillars that you can 1063 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,360 start with, which is your money, because without it you're 1064 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,960 nothing. Yeah, 100% agree. 1065 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,440 I haven't met a bit corner that I didn't like or had a instant 1066 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,520 connection with. And I think it's two two things. 1067 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,080 Compared to Fiat, which is a 0 sum game. 1068 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,520 This is, this is not a 0 sum game, right? 1069 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,440 It's when I help you, you help me. 1070 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,520 It's an instant value exchange. You coming on the podcast, we 1071 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,640 talk about your company like stuff, stuff like that. 1072 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:53,160 It's if I do the work then I don't do it only for myself, I 1073 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,400 also do it for you and the other way around, right. 1074 00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:01,160 So we are mutually benefiting from adopting this new new 1075 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,240 system. And I think that is that is the 1076 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:07,240 biggest difference that you you know that from each other. 1077 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:13,320 There's that and it's also, you know and we talked about this 1078 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,520 now, right, this personal journey, this personal 1079 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,800 challenge, integration of these new things that you learn about 1080 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,480 yourself, the world, the system, et cetera. 1081 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,640 Like you know that this other person, I know that you did the 1082 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,600 work too, right? And and I know how hard that is. 1083 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,200 So I commend you for that and you commend me for that, right? 1084 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,120 And that is, that is I I think what makes a connection between 1085 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:40,640 people who are into Bitcoin and understand it and are also, you 1086 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,800 know, trying to share about it's like I know, I know you did the 1087 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,880 work and I know that it wasn't hard and I know that it wasn't 1088 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:51,080 easy, right. And that is I think how you gain 1089 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:56,320 initial respect and that kicks off like any relationship with. 1090 00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,720 Yeah, no, I I completely agree. And we try to you know, like we 1091 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:05,080 try to pass on that ethos to all individuals during our consoles. 1092 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,720 Like we really were very strict about how we do things. 1093 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,760 We we absolutely take no shortcuts and anything that we 1094 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,920 do. We are very like picky about the 1095 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,200 hardware that we recommend. We don't sell anything 1096 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,080 ourselves. We're really based on your 1097 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:25,360 recommendations, based on on tests, So whatever the best 1098 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,560 products are out there available at the time of the console, 1099 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,520 these are the ones that we recommend. 1100 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,080 And we we do the work exactly like it's supposed to. 1101 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,240 We don't take workarounds, we don't take shortcuts, we don't 1102 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,640 skip steps. We don't do any of that stuff. 1103 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,360 We're either we're going to do it right or we're simply not 1104 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,280 going to do it. It's it's it's that simple. 1105 00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,840 We don't support anything else that doesn't adhere to the 1106 00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,920 Bitcoin ethos. If you support censorship, we 1107 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,160 disqualify you. If you work with chain analysis, 1108 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,400 we disqualify you. If you adopt any of that 1109 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,560 bullshit on any level, we disqualify you. 1110 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:02,400 So either you're doing it right as well, or we disqualify you. 1111 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,760 It's that simple as far as we're concerned. 1112 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,320 Like this is our ethos, you know, with regards to getting 1113 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:14,240 people into proper self custody. No fuss, no mess, no BS, and 1114 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,560 absolutely no shortcuts. Yeah. 1115 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,640 So this podcast is obviously aimed at helping millennials 1116 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,280 understand, you know, build safe wealth in in Bitcoin. 1117 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,480 Can you talk a bit about how you help your clients do that? 1118 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,000 And and especially I'm super interested in like inheritance 1119 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,240 planning, right. Like as many millennials have 1120 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,680 young young families, they they also get into Bitcoin to 1121 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,400 preserve their wealth for their families. 1122 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:45,720 Like how How do you view that? We don't have any off the shelf 1123 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,840 solutions. So like we bring in like you 1124 01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,040 know like 25 years of cyber security encryption and all that 1125 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,400 in all our consults. So we personalize a formula 1126 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,280 based on each individual's life situation. 1127 01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,400 You know their technical, know how what they're comfortable, 1128 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,400 not comfortable with. And we like through a 1129 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,040 conversation we devise a plan that you know marries the 1130 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,680 security with the practicality so that so that we know that 1131 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,160 they're not going to, you know, make a mistake somewhere along 1132 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:13,760 the way. You know that that we keep those 1133 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,360 probabilities at a very low, low level. 1134 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,560 You know, we have we have both offline solutions and online 1135 01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:23,120 solutions that, you know, we deploy accordingly so that they 1136 01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,720 can people can safeguard their information the way it's 1137 01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,640 supposed to. We default to air gapped cold 1138 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,280 wallets always. No exception. 1139 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,360 Bitcoin nodes are a must, no exception. 1140 01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,880 Yes Foundation, fantastic product. 1141 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:41,960 So all of these good habits we ingrain in in in all our 1142 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,040 consoles, you know like we will never recommend closed source 1143 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,760 hardware or software custodial things. 1144 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,920 They're out as well I mean or they're kept a very limited use 1145 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,840 case in the case of some lightning wallets what have you. 1146 01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,360 But with regards to the safeguarding of your funds, this 1147 01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,160 whole self custody thing that is 100 open source or verifiable 1148 01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:07,800 source only and like we implement a lot of like high end 1149 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,040 security features. With regards to that setup. 1150 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,040 We go even as far as locking down the Internet on a router 1151 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:19,360 level to prevent all sorts of online rubbish from even 1152 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,520 affecting your devices that you're using. 1153 01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:26,000 And that now with the advent of AI we're able to integrate it in 1154 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,320 such a way that it's roaming. So even if you're not home, 1155 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,200 you're still protected by the same mechanism, protecting all 1156 01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,760 your devices at home. It's extremely powerful, very 1157 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,760 useful. Not many people are paying 1158 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:41,000 attention to that type of service yet because we're not 1159 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,880 there yet. But you know, I keep saying that 1160 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,120 as the value of Bitcoin continues to skyrocket, so will 1161 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:50,080 the attempts to to steal it. And those those attempts are 1162 01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,800 likely going to come, you know about from online attacks rather 1163 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:57,200 than physical ones. And that's where you know, you 1164 01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,040 know, I'm, I'm expecting people to start paying more attention 1165 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:04,080 to protecting themselves online. And because they they all 1166 01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,160 interface with Bitcoin, Bitcoin is, you know, it's it's online. 1167 01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:08,920 So you're you're connecting to the Internet. 1168 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,320 So if your computer is not locked down or protected, it's 1169 01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:15,080 your phone is not brought down. If your router is not locked 1170 01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,960 down, you know, like all of these things, they matter. 1171 01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,520 We have, you know, we have services that look at them in 1172 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,400 depth. We provide services that that 1173 01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,360 you know that safeguard all these things. 1174 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,520 Yeah, and so with regards to inheritance planning, like how 1175 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,560 do you help people set up? Yeah, of course. 1176 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,720 Inheritance. Yeah, inheritance. 1177 01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,160 Planning. We can do it two ways. 1178 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,200 You know the manual ways where we device something customized 1179 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,040 with them which involves a lot of education, you know direct 1180 01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:43,920 education with all the folks involved. 1181 01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,040 Or if you want to automate it a bit more, we have privacy 1182 01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,720 focused collaborative custody where there's an inheritance 1183 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,800 plan built into that ecosystem which is completely non 1184 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,240 custodial and it it makes things a little bit more streamlined 1185 01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,280 for those that are not technical where you just come in, 1186 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,000 literally press a button, claim inheritance, answer a few 1187 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,960 questions and just follow the instructions and that takes care 1188 01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:06,800 of that. Otherwise if you want something 1189 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:10,480 a bit more custom made, this is, you know per it's on a case by 1190 01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,000 case basis. You know we we put something 1191 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,720 together that makes sense that we know that only you know about 1192 01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,880 and obviously those that are in your inner trusted circle know 1193 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,600 about and that's how it becomes as secure as possible. 1194 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,360 There's no, we don't have off the shelf copy paste solutions 1195 01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,040 that we just deploy you know with each person that comes 1196 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,880 comes our way. Yeah, but inheritance planning 1197 01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,760 is definitely a must. You know, if if you want to 1198 01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,480 leave, you know whatever you've accumulated to someone that you 1199 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,200 care about. It's definitely not optional. 1200 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,960 Yeah. All right. 1201 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,880 Well, I I love this conversation. 1202 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,920 Thanks so much for for coming on. 1203 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,880 I want to ask you the last question that that I ask 1204 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,880 everyone at the at the end of my conversation and that's that is 1205 01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,640 what is a core belief that you will never let go. 1206 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,560 Never let your life be dictated by others. 1207 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,320 Never. Love that man. 1208 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,960 You live your life with dignity and honor, but it's your life, 1209 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,480 your decisions. You know you live by the 1210 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,960 consequences of those that you make. 1211 01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,000 Yeah. Thanks. 1212 01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:22,920 Thanks for sharing that. Where can people find you and 1213 01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,320 the Bitcoin way online? Yeah, I mean you can. 1214 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,000 We're very active on Twitter, social media pretty much 1215 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,000 everywhere. But if you want to follow me on 1216 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,360 Twitter, it's V4 BTC. That's the handle that I usually 1217 01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,600 use on screen. You can also follow the Bitcoin 1218 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,720 way account, which is the Bitcoin way under score and 1219 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,080 there's the website, you know the bitcoinway.com. 1220 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,440 We're active, you know in many, many different realms online. 1221 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,000 So whichever one that suits you, feel free to call. 1222 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,200 We have a free 30 minute call for anyone if you just want to 1223 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,680 reach out, have a conversation. There's no commitment, no 1224 01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,600 obligations, just to get to know one another better and see if we 1225 01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,920 can help you in any aspects possible. 1226 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:01,400 We're. We're happy to do that. 1227 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,760 Awesome. I will link to to all of that in 1228 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,760 the show notes. And yeah, thanks again for 1229 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:09,920 coming on. Would love to stay in touch and 1230 01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,040 perhaps we can do this again. Absolutely thank you for having 1231 01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:13,960 me. This has been awesome. 1232 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:15,560 Thanks man. Cheers. 1233 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,800 I hope you enjoyed this episode. If you did, it would be amazing 1234 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,640 if you could rate, review and subscribe on the podcast 1235 01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,560 platform of your choice. It will help us educate more 1236 01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,680 millennials on the importance of Bitcoin. 1237 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,720 You can follow and connect with me on Twitter. 1238 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:33,360 I'm Brom K That's at BR AM K and if you are or know someone who 1239 01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,960 has an interesting perspective on Bitcoin that's worth sharing, 1240 01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,240 hit me up. I read and reply to every single 1241 01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,160 message. I appreciate your support and 1242 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,800 hope you'll be here for the next episode. 1243 01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,400 Thanks for listening. Bye.