All right. Hey there, everyone.
This is Brom Konstein and you're listening to Bitcoin for
Millennials. Together with my guests on this
podcast, I go on a journey to discover how our current
financial system works, why it's flawed, and why Bitcoin is the
most relevant technology that you, my fellow millennials,
should understand and adopt. In this episode, I'm joined by
Tony Yasbek. He has over 25 years of
experience in cybersecurity, privacy and encryption and is a
founding partner of the Bitcoin consultancy firm The Bitcoin
Way. They are a trusted provider of
innovative and comprehensive Bitcoin services, helping
individuals and businesses navigate the world of Bitcoin
with ease. Motivated by his first hand
experience of economic collapse in Lebanon, Tony is dedicated to
help individuals gain sovereignty by adopting Bitcoin
and making sure they follow secure self custody practices
when they do. I hope you enjoyed this episode
and welcome Tony. Thank you for having me, man.
Happy to be here. Yeah, thanks for thanks for
coming on. It's super interesting that you
know you you have this this experience in Lebanon with with
an economic collapse, you know like in in in the finance,
macro, Bitcoin space. A lot of people talk about
Lebanon and other countries experience experiencing this,
you know, but it feel it always feels like something that is far
away, you know, especially for people that live in the Western
world. I I regularly say on this
podcast, you know, especially millennials grew in the West,
grew up in the best time to ever grow up of any person to ever
live, you know, for the for for, for, for the whole of humanity.
So when you hear like stories like this or or descriptions of
this, it it doesn't feel real, you know, it feels far away.
Like can you share something about your experience you know
of, of when and how that happened and and and how that
shaped you? Yeah, of course.
I mean, unfortunately, this is not an event or an experience
that I wish upon anyone, you know, like you said, I mean,
when you live in certain parts of the world, you know, you feel
almost immune to such such scenarios simply because you
know, you, you, you make yourself believe this delusion
that somehow, because you are where you are, that nothing,
nothing will phase you, that somebody will protect you from
whatever it is that you think you're safe from.
That is a myth. That is something that I used to
believe in as well. But you know, when you live
through something like what has happened in Lebanon, it is the
equivalent of someone dropping a nuke on your life.
This is exactly how it feels like, and that's exactly the
type of damage that it does. When you, you know you, you go
to sleep one night thinking everything is OK, and you wake
up the next day to realize that your entire life has been swept
under your rug, leaving you with absolutely nothing.
So this is the shock. The shock factor of this is is
almost, excuse me, undescribable because it's so extreme that you
don't really know how to react in the moment.
It takes a little while before it actually sets in that shit.
All my life savings are now gone, you know, And I literally
have nothing except for the 20 bucks or 50 bucks that I have in
my pocket. What am I going to do?
You know? I mean, this is, this is, it's a
very scary position to be in. I mean, I don't think anyone, no
matter how strong you think you are, is ever prepared for such a
such a traumatic shock. It's not a physical, physical,
like you're not harmed physically, but it almost feels
like, you know, a a physical sledgehammer to your, to your,
to your entire body because of all all the rush of adrenaline
that's going through you not knowing which direction to turn.
Especially considering that there's no one there to help you
when this, when this whole thing blew up, nobody was answering
phones. You know, you try to reach out
to the banks to see, you know, what else going on.
There's no answer at the banks. So you know, this is where it's
a lot of people haven't come out, basically from the
destruction of something like this.
This is what I was fortunate enough and it took me a very
long time, honestly. Like on some days, I wonder how
I'm even sit sitting here doing what I'm doing, considering what
I just went through and I'm, I consider myself a very strong
individual. I'm rarely faced by anybody's
opinion. Like, I don't really care.
I do what what I know has to be done.
But you know, like you, no matter how tough you think you
are, you are never prepared for something like this.
And this is a message that I work very hard in trying to sort
of like ingrain in people's heads to let them know that it
doesn't really matter how rich you think you are, how many
zeros you see on that screen. This is an illusion that you
have. There is no money in your bank
account. It's not real.
This is just a number on the
screen that they tell you you have, but the money is not there
and it can be swiped away from you just as quickly as it was
for me and every single individual living in that
country, unfortunately. Yeah.
And this is also we'll we'll talk about you know how Bitcoin
brings sovereignty to people. But when you share this, I, I of
course also think about you know as a millennial from the West
who never had problems like this, right.
Like you and I ended up on the same conclusion.
You know about Bitcoin and that we need it and that other people
need it. And I find it so fascinating
that what you just described, right?
Like you have to experience it to understand that no one is
coming to save you and that the money is not real.
And that the trust you put in third parties before also was
not real or not based on any reality, right.
And and you saw that because you experienced that.
And although we came to the same conclusion, I had to like
conceptualize that in a way, right.
Because I I did not experience that.
And I, I don't know like how I did that and then ended up to
the same conclusion as you. But I do see that as like for
people in the West it's so hard to yeah almost like first
understand and then kind of like integrate that the trust you put
in third parties is almost like like the I don't know if that's
English word but it's deferring your own responsibility over
your own life to another party and basically kind of like
praying or hoping that you know stuff doesn't doesn't blow up.
But when it does still no one is coming to save you, right.
So in the, in the, in the moment of of of this financial
collapse, no one is coming to save you.
But you have to realize that that is currently also not the
case. Although you see numbers in your
bank app on your screen right there, it's not a different.
The situation is not different, although the numbers are there
now and maybe later, they're not, but it's not a different
thing, right? It's the same.
Absolutely. I mean, what makes it difficult
is that you are born into this lie.
OK. So when you first land, when
you're first born, you know that's that's all you've you're
taught. Your parents tell you this is
the way it is because that's the way they've been taught.
So this lie, this scam has been going on for a very long time.
And when you're born into it, while you, you accept it as the
norm, right. And as long as it doesn't really
directly impact you as you're growing up, you don't give it
much thought. You know, you just assume that
that's just the way it is. You know, you go do your work,
you have your money in your bank, you're able to afford
whatever it is that you want. So as far as you're concerned,
life's good, OK? And it's good as long as it
stays good. But when you quickly realize
that every Ponzi has, has a, has an expiry date, OK, Now I mean
this Fiat Ponzi has been going on for almost 100 years now and
we are living in you know a moment of time where we're
seeing it collapse. This, This is why this the the
events that are taking place now are are historical because we've
never, like I never expected to be living.
You know, in a time where I'm going to be seeing this or even
like realizing that this is something like this is actually
possible. That's also why it's hard to
understand right? Exactly why if you if you read
about Roman Empire collapsing or same Lebanon collapsing, is is
in the modern times, right? But just because it's so far
away, you cannot comprehend that you could also be in the middle
of that, basically. Yes, exactly.
So you have to accept that you have to unlearn that anything
you thought about money is complete rubbish.
The money that you're using to buy stuff is not money.
It's it's toilet paper. It's it's worthless.
The only reason why it has any value is because the world has
been misled to believe that it has value and people are still
accepting it. But as it's becoming very, you
know, everybody's noticing now that, you know, things are
becoming more expensive, inflation, All of a sudden,
everybody's familiar with that word that used to be like a
fancy vocabulary word that reserved only to people in the
financial sector. Not everybody's talking about
inflation. They know, they know that the
prices go up. Oh, it's inflation.
You know that they're becoming more familiar with, you know,
with that whole world. And they're realizing that hold
on a second, some something's not right here, You know, like I
make $2000 a month, but fuck, my expenses are $2600 a month.
How am I going to pay for it? Like my the the prices are going
up, but my salary, my income is not going up.
So there's a there's a, there's a problem here.
And then you, you, you know, a lot of people make the mistake
of thinking, OK, well, I have to work harder.
Well, no, you don't have to work harder.
You have to come to sit down and realize that the reason why
you're in such a predicament is that because it's you're you're
you're saving money. You're saving your time and
value in a rigged system you cannot beat.
You cannot beat the system. It's like having a bucket.
With a hole. At the bottom, and you're trying
to fill it up at a rate faster than it's leaking from the
bottom. Yeah, you're at the bottom of
the bucket. But you're at the bottom of the
bucket and at some point you're just going to lose.
And this is what's starting to manifest.
You know, globally in some countries you know a lot faster
than others, but ultimately it's going to come everywhere and it
doesn't really matter how large of a number you think you have
on that bank account, you're going to very quickly see it
shrink until it ultimately hits zero for you as well.
Yeah, yeah, it's wild. It's I love this angle of
Bitcoin, right? I will get to some technical
stuff as well, but I love this angle of Bitcoin because this
really emphasizes, you know, the problems or the, you know,
problems that people should be aware of first before they can
even be susceptible to, you know, what we think is, is the
solution, right. And and what you just said, do
you think that is like the main thing people need to unlearn?
Like it's not one thing, It's basically like the entire
structure around what you think is money is wrong, right?
That's the thing that people need to unlearn.
Yes and it and The thing is it's when you when you try to explain
this to someone the the reason why they think you're crazy is
because it's so out there so extreme in in what's going on
that you're you're essentially telling them that all your life
was a lie. That you've been an idiot, you
know since the day you were born until now.
And now you have to accept that and like believe what I'm
telling you. So when you're talking to the
individuals especially those of an older age that have lived
their life and you know have been OK for the most part of it
but only now recently are maybe starting to feel the pinch.
You know they're very it's very difficult to you know like sort
of re change that that mindset until they're in a predicament
where they have no choice but to listen to something that makes
sense. Yeah, OK.
When? They actually have the problem,
right? It's.
Hard to. Show them the problem before
they actually understand that they're already experiencing it.
That's it. And it's and it's usually the
higher net worth individuals that have the most to lose, even
though they don't believe so. I mean some some, some high net
worth individuals that I've spoken to are extremely arrogant
because you know, like many others before them, you know,
they think they are untouchable because they've got 17 zeros on
their bank bank account on their monitors.
You know nothing will phase them, but three years ago in
Lebanon there were also folks with 15 zeros on the screen that
now have only 110. Nothing before the.
Zero and nothing before the zero.
So if you think that your numbers of 0, so it's like
somehow makes you immune or God like you're committing financial
suicide, it's a it's it's a very dangerous delusion that you're
hiding behind and it's a false one.
Whether you believe me or don't believe me, it doesn't really
matter. The result is the same.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I again like this
angle. I find the most interesting like
for for people to get into Bitcoin because that personal
that this is like personal development in a sense, right.
Like understanding that you that you don't understand everything
and and what you just said like that, basically what you base
your beliefs or understanding on is something that is not
grounded in reality. It's not true.
Right. And I've shared this before on
this podcast as well. Like for me it was I was already
into Bitcoin, but I was, I was 30, I had a mortgage.
I worked at a bank until I talked to a colleague who said
that you know that the money in the bank is not yours.
And I said, well sorry, what do you mean?
And then we had lunch for an hour and he explained to me and
I had the same realization as you just said, like, I'm an
idiot, I'm participating in something that I do not
understand, and I actually work at a bank, right?
So how? How would other people that are
not even in a position to actually, you know, gather this
information? Or, well, I had the luck to run
into someone, you know, who started talking with me about
it. Like why would someone even
start thinking about this huge problem actually?
Well, The thing is, not only the money is worthless, but you have
to understand that the people who designed this money, these
are criminals. These are professional thieves,
you know, this, this, this all the organization behind Fiat
money is a criminal organization.
There's there's these are not people that have your best
interest in mind. At any point in time.
This is a rigged scheme designed to benefit that 1% sitting right
next to that money printer who was essentially living life for
free at the expense of everybody's time and energy.
So they don't care what happens to you.
They've designed the system for them to benefit and to you to be
a peon, A peasant, a slave, and nobody in this like a little
hamster running on that wheel. Except it may have been fine at
the beginning, before the Ponzi became too big to to hold
itself. But now that it's at the end and
things are blowing up left and right, now it's becoming more
apparent who is behind. Who is responsible for all this
stuff? Who is responsible for all the
destruction in the world? Who is funding all the wars
around the world? Who is behind all all the
genocides and the murders and the innocent?
Deaths of human being who is behind it.
It's all of those behind the money printer.
How else are you going to fund it?
If you have a limitless capability to print money out of
thin air to pay for anything, then you can do anything so.
And then you have to ask yourself, why are some people
poor, right? And that is kind of like one of
the starting points. But that's the thing.
It goes back to my point. If you're the one printing the
money, you live for free forever.
But the more you print those that have to work for that
money, well, then the value of that toilet paper that they're
holding becomes worth less and less and less the more you print
and print and print. This is what's happening and and
ultimately. All of them.
Because they're all based on the same, on the same scam.
They're all going to 0. the US dollar, maybe the global
reserve. OK.
It'll be the last one to crumble, but it's on its way
out. It's not a new it's, it's
designed in the same way. There's nothing special about
the US dollar that distinguishes it from the euro or any other
currency. Yeah, now that we're talking
about this, I'm thinking, you know, there's there's a lot of
protests currently, of course, you know, around around Israel,
Palestine now that now. So now that we're talking, I'm
thinking this is actually a great opportunity, I'd say also
to educate people, you know, the people who are protesting also,
you know, people who don't want war.
Nobody wants war, obviously, to help them understand that they
are actually paying for it, right?
So you're objecting something that you are are paying for it.
You don't know that you're paying for it.
But maybe that is like an angle we should actually utilize,
right? To show them that yes, you
should be, you should be even more mad because you're paying
for the bombs that they're using you know that you are that you
are protesting against. And yeah it's just a thought
that I had now like I think that would be good because I I feel
that, you know there's lots of dimensions where you know lots
of threats that that we could show people that they can pull,
you know, to to get on their own path to learn about Bitcoin.
Right. I don't think you can Orange
Bill someone. You have to Orange Bill yourself
to, to understand Bitcoin, right?
But this could be one of those things to actually make this
even more clear that all of the wars are actually funded by the
people, you know, by the civilians that are also the
casualties. That's right of these wars,
right? So it's it's like a perpetual,
perpetual thing. That's right.
And if you want to stop this, you have to opt out of the
system to defund it, you know, That's the only way, I mean.
There's two ways There's two ways you can solve this.
Either the world goes to war globally, you know, and starts
killing each other, then the survival of the fittest, or you
try the peaceful way, which is what Bitcoin somehow
miraculously was able to do, was to peacefully defund those
crimes. You know if you if you opt.
Out of the Fiat system? Well, then you know it.
It crumbles eventually on its own because nobody's using it.
It becomes it becomes worthless that way, but as long as you
stay stuck in it. One Not only are you screwing
yourself as a person because your entire value and life
savings are becoming meaningless, but you are
continuing to empower the scam, the Ponzi, the the crimes,
whatever you want to call them. All those bad things you
continue to support by being stuck into that system that you
know. That is fueled by it.
Yeah, well, and it's especially true, I think not like I view
bit getting into Bitcoin, not as buying Bitcoin.
I see it as moving wealth from, you know, a crumbling and and
and flawed system to a system that that provably works.
Right. So you move that away and and
that's in line with what you're saying, right?
Like as long as you keep your savings, your wealth in a bank,
they can use that money to you know to loan out again to create
new money etcetera to fund, to fund all these things.
But once you move that little block of wealth or savings that
you have to this other system, then it's actually then it's
out, right. And then you A save yourself and
B also, you know, make the the pile of money that they can
utilize smaller in a sense. Yeah.
And like fundamentally, like if you put that all aside, I mean,
who in their right mind, knowing everything that's that's known
now, would want to continue living their life knowing that
the money that they own first of all is not theirs, second of all
is not controlled by them, and third of all can be.
Taken away, censored, weaponized, sanctioned, whatever
you want to call it against you at a click of a button by the
decisions of some random psychopath.
That just decides one day that, you know, he wants things a
certain way, and then all of a sudden now you're labeled as a
criminal or a terrorist or whatever other label that they
give you. Yeah, So you.
Yeah. So you've talked a lot about
like the urgency also to get into Bitcoin.
Why does everyone need Bitcoin and why now?
And also into it in the West. Bit Bitcoin is your ticket to
freedom. Forget the number, go up, forget
the the dollar signs that you see on the screen every time you
know the Bitcoin pumps. This is not what Bitcoin's
about. What Bitcoin's about is that
without it you are going to be living a life of a slave, of a
meaningless donkey whose life is dictated by someone that doesn't
give a damn about you. That, that, that thinks that
they know how you should eat, sleep, drink and live your life.
That's what the Bitcoin value is the number go up.
That's like a like a side effect of of of of the of the whole.
Indicator of adoption. Based Yes, because of the finite
supply, there's 21 million. Well, technically there's less
because there's about 5 million have been lost, God knows where.
So technically we have about 17,000,000.
So as the world understands this and starts to realize, OK, well
this is what I want now and not that garbage toilet paper that
I've been saving in. Well, the man shock is infinite.
Supply shock is fixed. Boom number goes up.
You know this is where that number goes up phenomena, how
everybody gets excited now over it.
That's because when you don't have an understanding of
everything, that's all that turns you on is when you see
that number turn green. But this is not what it's about
when you realize that your life is that a life of a of a slave
or a free human being, which is what I think the world at some
point as we transition will be divided into.
There's going to be part of the world that are going to be
living like kings and Queens, free to do whatever the hell
they want. And there's going to be another
part of them that are going to be attached to some digital ID,
like some village donkey that have to make sure that their
point system doesn't go below a certain threshold.
So they can continue buying their food, they can continue
traveling, they can continue existing so to speak.
So if you're that type of individual that wants to live
the life of a village donkey, then do nothing.
But if you have any form of self value, self dignity, if you have
a family, if you have kids that you care about, that you want
them to live in a future where they make their own decisions
and not have them been subjugated by the decisions of
of a criminal organization, then it then it's your obligation,
your duty, your responsibility as a as a parent to get your
funds out of the system and as close as possible as to one
Bitcoin Or more as fast as you can before they come in and
vacuum clean the supply from all global exchanges.
At which point unless you're sitting on hundreds of millions
of dollars, you're not buying anything anymore.
It's not to say you're not going to benefit from Bitcoin, but at
that point your days of casualties, strolling in and
buying, you know, X amount, those are gone.
You will have to earn Bitcoin and by that means you have to be
offering some form of value that someone is willing to pay for.
So you will still benefit from Bitcoin, but it'll become much
harder and take much longer for you to to get, you know the the
amount that you can easily do right now since we're we are
currently in the transition phase.
Yeah, a few points there. I think what I love that also
comes back here is that once you understand that Bitcoin is the
hardest money to ever exist, the best money to ever exist, you
wouldn't want to be rewarded in anything else when you deliver,
you know, a product or a service or a job or whatever, right?
So people will start demanding Bitcoin, but the the people will
have the Bitcoin and want to pay for these services.
They want the highest quality service because they have the
hardest money to ever exist, right.
So that will create an interesting world I'd say where
you know, when we talk about like meritocracy or just who,
who is the best person to provide certain product or
service, like you have to actually deliver value.
There's no, some people say rent seeking anymore, right?
You cannot profit from the fact that currently in the Fiat
system you you can just, you know, tinker around and and do
stuff like you have to actually start adding value because the
the money is so hard that, yeah, you have to compete more to
actually be able to earn that that that new money, right.
I found it interesting that that that comes back a lot.
But also when I wanted to ask you like what advice would you
give, you know, a millennial who's just starting out to
explore Bitcoin for personal finance, you you actually nailed
it. I think when you said when you
realize you know that you're currently in the system, that is
where you gave your responsibility away or the
responsibility about, you know, what the money you use is worth
if it's actually yours. You know who holds it?
If, if any is in the bank, by the way, if you want to take it
out, like, do you want that or do you want to get?
And I think This is why people find it hard, right?
Do you want to get all the responsibility?
But then you're actually free, right?
So I've talked to friends of mine who like one friend.
I think it's net worth, like 5 million or something.
And he once said to me like, OK, but if I have a million in
Bitcoin, am I solely responsible for for the security?
And of course, you know, there's, there's different ways
you can set this up. But I think the answer is yes,
right? You are the ultimate gatekeeper
in a sense, right? So, so all that responsibility
that you never experienced before because you put all the
money in the bank is now, is now yours.
And I see that people struggle with that as well.
Like how? What is?
What is your experience there? Yeah, of course.
I mean the whole, the whole responsibility factor.
I mean, it's for some bizarre reason, it petrifies people and
I don't understand why. And I for a lot of people, I
think it's just laziness or or fear.
It's lazy. It's it's a combination of
laziness and fear. Some folks are so afraid
somehow, even even some of the most educated folks, you know,
they're so afraid that somehow the government, the government,
the government is going to come and stop this.
So they paralyze themselves in in in this fear, you know, and
that restricts them from doing any rational decision.
So they remain stuck in this, in this Ponzi because of their
fear. But what they don't realize is
by them being stuck all they're doing is continuing to empower
that rubbish into remaining into existence.
Whereas if you take the steps to opt out, nobody's saying opt out
for overnight into 100%, but at least start making a
transgression and start sitting down and learning and studying
as to why this is important. And in my experience, the more
you, an individual learns and understands the the higher the
allocation that they contribute to Bitcoin on themselves like
their as their conviction grows, so does their allocation because
they realize, hold on a second, what am I saving this money in
the bank for? This is complete rubbish.
I don't want this this thing anymore.
I want that. And another thing with Bitcoin
is that it's a virtual it's a virtual item.
It's not a physical substance. Like, if I gave you a barrel of
diamonds and I put it in your living room and I told you here
it's yours, what would you do? You'd barricade the whole living
room. You'd put up, you'd put up
walls, you'd, you'd bring your wife, you'd make her sit on top
of that barrel so it doesn't move.
You know, like you would do anything, because you see that
barrel of diamonds sitting in front of you.
And the ideas that will come to your head to protect it are
infinite at that point. But Bitcoin, it's a, it's an
invisible thing. It's a virtual currency.
Like, you can't, you can't touch it.
So for a lot of folks, especially those that are not
coming from like an IT background or like are
comfortable in the tech space in general, for them it's like.
It's. Like they can't relate to it,
you know, they they don't see it as something of substance, as
something real. And that is, that is a big, big
flaw in their reasoning. Because it comes from ignorance,
obviously. It comes from ignorance, lack of
knowledge, lack of understanding and more importantly the the the
lack of willing to sit down, listen and learn something new.
Because this we've never had anything like Bitcoin.
Self custody is a new concept that the world has never known,
you know, But again, like you'd like, like with anything in life
like like this, the most basic things like driving a car when
somebody's born, you're not a driver.
You have to sit down, take a course, get in a car, you know,
get into a few accidents until you learn, then you become a
driver. Right.
So this, this is, this is no different.
You have to sit down, learn, OK, you'll screw up a few times
along the way, but then you'll learn, You'll understand that
this is the right approach. The the the biggest screw up you
can do, the biggest accident you can get into is to do nothing
and go through. What I went through, what an
entire bloody country went through, is that when you think
your life is so pristine and then you wake up the next
morning and it's been completely formatted, that's.
You don't even understand why. And you don't understand why and
and nobody, nobody explains it to you.
And then you understand that you've been robbed.
That's essentially what it is. Yeah.
The criminal organization came, decided, OK, fuck you, you don't
matter. Take away everybody's money.
This is exactly what what what happens in a situation like
this. So again, it's a decision.
You either believe it or you don't believe it, but either
way, the result is the same. If you believe it, you might
take the proper measures to protect yourself and learn about
this thing that thankfully we have.
Because if we didn't have Bitcoin, the future would be
very dire. Honestly, to be very I don't
even want to imagine what kind of, like horrendous future we
would have. Thankfully, whoever Satoshi
Nakamoto is, whoever they is, they they are genuinely a gift
from the heavens to the planet because we finally have a viable
exit that nobody can screw around with, nobody can
manipulate, nobody can touch, nobody can abuse.
But it's so good to be true that a lot of people don't make the
move. Like like how retarded is that?
You know? It's like, so it's going to take
time. We're like, I mean, we're doing
what we can here to help push the education, remove the
technical hurdles. We're doing the work for you.
You don't have to break your head.
I will do it for you. I'll get you from zero to
bulletproof in two hours and you will learn how to use Bitcoin as
comfortably as a credit card. Don't worry about it, but make
the decision to want to move from where you are now to a
better place. That's all you have to do, the
resources to help you get there. There's plenty, there's us,
there's many resources online. There's a lot of amazing other
people doing this type of work that people can revert to.
But it's again, you have to make a conscious decision that I
don't want to live a life of a donkey.
I want to live as a free individual.
And I want my kids, if you have them, to be able to determine
what kind of future they want, not one dictated by some
psychopath that has no interest in their well-being.
Yeah. And so I think we talked about
it a bit. But like you at the at the
Bitcoin way, you talk with lots of different people and
newcomers you know about Bitcoin, What's the what's
what's like the biggest mental mental hurdle that that people
need to get over before they start researching or adopting or
maybe start listening to you? Like what's the what's what's
what's the main thing from your experience?
It's it's it's fear. You know, it's the the a lot of
folks come to us. I mean they they have some basic
understanding. They also come with a lot of
preconceptions. A lot of them are come with a
lot of apprehensions, you know, the same, the same, a lot of the
same myths. You know is the government going
to stop it? Is it going to go to zero?
Can it be stolen? Can it be this?
Can it be that, You know, like a lot of the common, the common
myths that we've seen repeated over time, we do our best to
debunk them? OK, like, I mean, we're very
patient with everybody at at the Bitcoin Way.
There's absolutely no stupid questions.
You ask whatever you want. It's no problem.
Nobody, like everybody, understands that this is new.
Your question to you may be stupid, but it's not.
It may not necessarily be a stupid question.
As long as it makes sense to you at the end of the day that that
like, it improves your understanding of why you're
here, that's all that matters. So we try to push that
education, put people at ease telling them, you know,
explaining, you know, the fundamentals, the truth.
We put the truth out. And then we tell them we
understand you don't have a tech background, you're not
comfortable on a computer, you don't want to do the work.
No problem. We will help you do it.
We will do it for you, with you. And at the end of it, it's also
going to become like an educational journey.
So by the time I'm done explaining all the steps that
are required, you should be in a position where you're like, you
know what, it's not so bad. You know, it's like it's it's
not so different from using a credit card.
I know how to send, I know how to receive.
And then all of a sudden, you know you start, people become
more interested on their own once you know they have a
foundational structure in place. They learn, they ask questions,
they come back, we do more advanced stuff.
It's an ongoing journey. I mean, Bitcoin is not a set it
and forget it solution because it's technology and like with
any technology, there's progressions there, fine tuning,
there's improvements and you know, we make sure we're always
on top of this to to to to make sure that the whole setup is
always fine-tuned at all times. So what's the biggest myth that
that you wish to debunk? Biggest myth around Bitcoin.
Yeah, the government's going to stop it.
I'm like, buddy, the government's going to stop it
would have done it a long time ago.
You know, like the government could have stopped it.
If they paid attention to it the way they are now back in 2009,
they could have probably killed it.
But you know, Fast forward 1515 years later, The thing is so
decentralized and secure and it continues to exponentially
become so every 10 minutes. Now it's game over and now it's
not even in their best interest to try to destroy it.
Any intelligent government at this point would be rushing to
adopt it in order to remain any, to have any form of
significance, you know, in the global, in the global shape of
the world going forward. But what what it does is that
you know it eliminates the corruption.
Because you know if you if you make a stupid decision the
bitcoins gone, you're not going to print it and and and bring it
back that way. So it makes you think 100 times
before you make you know make a make a stupid move, wars
disappear, corruption disappears.
Most bad things in the world disappear because you have to
fund them all these things don't just happen out of thin air.
You have to fund them somehow. So if that if that money printer
is destroyed, what are you going to fund it with?
Are you expecting the population to give you their satoshis to go
fight a war that they don't give a shit about?
No one's going to give you anything.
Well it's it's the the same principles what we talked about
before in the in the the the meritocracy of the market will
actually come back to the government right.
I last last like also to the to the government.
Like last week I listened to podcast where they talked about
how Texas started right and I think it was a example of a king
of Belgium. If I if I get it right, like and
1st the the kings would propose what they would need money for,
right? So they would say like oh this
other Kingdom is trying to you know steal land from us or
whatever and we need to fight them or else you know some of
our people will get killed or we have to defend our our border,
right. So they would propose plans and
then get money. But now we give money and we
don't know about the plans, right.
And even if there's taxes for, I don't know, you know plastic use
on fruits, the the, the, the what they make with the taxes on
that plastic is not then spent on making better fruit or
reducing plastic or whatever. It just goes in a big pot and
then goes, goes wherever. So I feel that once we would go
back to Bitcoin or we would go to Bitcoin and the people are
more sovereign, they will say well if you want part of our
money so you know the country that we live in becomes better
like I'm I'm not necessarily opposed to tax taxes.
I think it makes sense you know if you, if, you, if you live in
the country Texas in some way, but you have to know what the
plan is and the people need to agree that that is actually a
good plan, right. So we like, like we will go back
to the sovereignty of of the people and and the politicians
or leadership are at the mercy of the people and not the other
way around as it is right now. Yes.
No, I completely agree. I mean, what Bitcoin will do is
that it'll actually force governments to do what they were
meant to do. And that's to serve the people,
not, not not to coerce them and to dictate how they're supposed
to live their lives, you know? So if you if if a government
wants taxes, OK, what are they providing in in return for these
taxes? Right now, they're not providing
anything right now. They're threatening to to throw
you in jail or in some places to kill you if you don't pay taxes.
What what value is this? This is like value by by by
corruption and tyranny that that's that's that's not a
viable approach. This is not something that is
sustainable or that should be tolerated.
Yeah. So people know better than,
yeah, the people they are supposed to serve.
Exactly. And most people pay taxes not
because they enjoy it, It's because they're petrified.
So unless you have your own army, OK, so if you want to go
back to historical times, if you don't agree with someone, it
would always break up into violence.
You know, it's like survival of the fittest.
But today, you know with with what's what's going on over the
past decades, this attack on masculinity, masculinity,
political correctness, politically correct that
everybody's afraid of their own shadows to speak, you know,
well, you know, you, you sort of like neuter a big percentage of
the population. And that works when you're in a
position of of of tyranny because you have no opposition
at that point. But you see now this tide is
starting to, is starting to change.
People are starting to realize that no, you know, this is not
a, this is not a valid point of authority.
This is a criminal, this is a, this is a corrupt organization.
These people should not be listened to.
You know and and and you know there are armies being formed
and at some point, you know, if this doesn't get controlled
somehow, I don't see how the peaceful approach can be
sustained. You know, like, I mean, at at
some point if you try to reason and it doesn't work, you know,
and somebody bullies you, you may be tolerant, you may be
fearful, you may be like passive.
But at some point you're going to reach your breaking point.
And everybody's breaking point is at a different stage.
But more importantly, you don't know how every individual reacts
when they hit that breaking point.
I've seen good people, good people, people that have never
harmed a family in their Life. OK, they are holding people up
at gunpoint, not because they want to hurt them, but because
they're so desperate that they need to eat.
They don't want to hurt them, but they want to do something so
they can get some money to put food on the table.
Those are the the scenes you see from Lebanon, right, where
people hold up a bank, not to rob the bank, but.
Just to get. Get what they own.
It's they only want their own money.
That's right. So if.
If if you're put in a predicament like this, are you
all of a sudden a criminal or a terrorist?
Or are you a victim, a casualty of a system that was designed to
destroy your life? And it has?
When your turn comes, you understand.
This is what I fear the most. Because you know, if if what
happened in Lebanon reaches like goes global, but at the same
time you, you've got one hell of a problem on your hands because
then you won't, you won't be, you won't feel safe going
outside. I mean, in the US alone, if my
math is right, they have over 300 million privately owned
assault weapons. OK, so if these people get.
If, if these people. Are subjected to the same
lockout from their life savings as they did in Lebanon.
What do you think will happen? Yeah.
So yeah, first thing I think. Is total anarchy?
Yeah, because there's no central.
There's also no, I'd say like common belief or understanding
or something that binds people, right?
So you will get a lot of different factions of people,
probably based on very basic principles, right?
Like who has food, who has a gun, who has a car?
Exactly, And then it goes down really quick.
Exactly. And this is what I'm trying to
warn about is because I've seen it happen in one place, I don't
see how any other place is immune to it.
Some people might think, oh, this is just the Middle East,
They're always been crazy over there, Sure, but you're all
using the same cause, which is the Fiat money that is going to
shit and it's eventually going to reach you.
You're you're not, you know, if you're living in some fancy
place, doesn't mean you're immune to it.
It just means it's going to take a little bit longer to get you,
to get you. But it's it's coming.
So all these things nobody talks about, like not many people talk
about, but these are the points that, you know, that keep me up
at night in my thoughts. It's like I don't want to see
that happen anywhere. I don't want to see people get
hurt. I don't want to see people
having to find themselves in a predicament to do things they
don't want to do, you know? Here we go, that thumbs up again
with the camera. But actually this I think is one
of the, I don't know if it's first principles thinking, but
it's it's thinking in a way that will help you to challenge your
own beliefs, right? Like that.
Because it is, it is, it has happened somewhere else.
It means it can also happen where you live, right.
And of course, like the consequence of that is a scary
thought. But it has helped me a lot to to
actually challenge myself, right?
Like I could feel or want to feel or my when my ego talks,
it's like, no, no, no, that's never going to happen here
because yeah, whatever. Middle East or we are better or
what, whatever. Stupid arguments.
But you have to accept that once you accept that, if it happened
somewhere else, it can also happen here.
Especially, you know you said because the underlying system,
the mechanics of the system, is exactly the same.
Holy shit, right? Like then?
You open your mind to actually start gathering the information
of the location where you are at, right?
OK, well how does it work here? Is it really that bad?
Right? And all the people, I find it so
interesting, right? Like when, when, when, when all
these different little parts or steps along the way of a Bitcoin
journey, when they click right. You cannot look back, you cannot
Unsee all these things. So now when I see people talk
about for example, the, you know, the situation in America
where they say like, no, like soft landing, nothing's going to
happen, America this and that and blah blah, we have an army
or like all any stupid argument they have right.
You now see that it's not true. It's not true because the
underlying system is the same. And and what you just said I
think is what more people should understand is it might take a
little longer but because the mechanics are the same you, you,
you can easily argue that it's going that way, right.
You don't need any fancy research about.
It's just logical sequential thinking in a way And once you
adopt that and and keep like all the all the blah blah to the
site, then you know you cannot predict when it's going to go
down and all these things. But you can start accepting and
integrating just for yourself that OK, I am I'm also in a
situation like this potentially in the future so I need to start
doing things right. But I feel, because it's so
uncomfortable, that a lot of people do, you know, they follow
the ego path or they follow the, you know, simple explainers they
hear from experts or professors or or whatever to just, you
know, ease their uncomfortable feelings.
Yeah, well, unfortunately, we live in a time that if you want
to be comfortable, you're going to have to be uncomfortable for
a little while to do the to do the work, to do what's required
to take you back into that comfort zone later on.
Thankfully, you know what? They're hard.
There are many jurisdictions around the world, you know, that
are not as as coercive and negative and are not adopting
the same, you know, tyrannical games.
That's other countries unfortunately are.
And people are voting with their feet and their money.
You know, they're packing up and they're leaving.
As difficult as a decision as it is because, yeah, I mean you
have to uproot, you have maybe have friends, families,
whatever. It's not, it's not an easy
decision. But if it's the decision that
determines whether you live like a free, free and dignified human
being with a good quality of of life or not, the choice is not
hard. You pack your stuff up, you
move, you get you, you adjust, you go through that little
adjustment period, it's not going to kill you.
Eventually you'll realize that you know you're in a much better
situation. Your life is good, has actually
leveled up, your kids are OK. Their futures are looking bright
and you know things somehow fall into place.
But in order to do this, you have to be in a position where
you control your money. Because if you don't control
your money, you have nothing. In this world, you can't do
anything without money. So you don't want to have your
funds somewhere that somebody else is deciding what you can do
with them and at the same time debasing what they're worth.
Yeah, and this is also why you know you're a big advocate of
self custody. Why that is then also so
important once you move to Bitcoin that you also adopt this
that you know self, self custody of of your Bitcoin.
Like, can you share a bit about that, not only technical, but
but also how it impacts people's sovereignty?
You cannot trust anybody anymore with your money.
I don't care who it is. I don't care how
well-intentioned they are. You cannot trust anybody with
your money. The only person who's supposed
to be responsible for your funds should be you.
Because as we've seen too many times, you know things blow up.
You know that path of least resistance, that path of
convenience, that whole convenience thing is what
usually leads to problems. Self custody is not hard.
Self custody is just new, OK? You just have to learn a few
steps. Once you get to know them, you
you practice them a few times, They become normalized in your
life and you you know it's as if you've always known it since
since the beginning of time. But you have to again.
You have to be willing to accept that, OK, I need to learn this
for the sake of XY and Z and do the work.
Proof of work. You have to do the work, you
know, the whole, like throwing the responsibility onto someone
else. That's suicide now.
Now you have to be a complete moron if you still believe in
that ideology that somebody else is going to take care of your
money. I mean, if that's the case, you
deserve to lose it at that point if you still haven't learned
anything from the past three years.
So that's what I think. This is why I don't like third
party custodians. I don't advocate them.
I never recommend them. Nobody's too stupid to
understand and learn self custody no matter how old you
are. We have clients of all ages.
Most of them are of an older generation.
I'm talking like mid 50s, sixties and up, fully sovereign.
Not coming from a technical background, regular folks from
all wakes of of of life. They they understood it.
OK, so no one is too dumb for self custody, but some people
are too lazy to want to learn it.
That's that's a whole other conversation.
Yeah, it's actually touches on one of the like thought
frameworks that has helped me also get more into this this
place where what you said like if you want to trust other
people with your wealth or sovereignty, other people that
also have egos, they have the same life problems, they have
their same personal problems, like everyone has something,
right? Like it's not that those people
that you give that responsibility have a super easy
and nice life in the sense that they can give all their
attention to you, right? No, it's it's they have their
own personal things and own wants and needs and and and you
know, like it's it. They have the same life.
So it's just like once you realize that that they have the
same problems, but they also are not smarter than you.
They are not better than you, right.
We are. We are all the same.
Then why in the world would you defer that responsibility to
that other person, right. It does not.
It does not make logical sense, you know.
And some people would reply to that, yeah, but you have legal
agreements etcetera. But but those are also other
people that that will then legitimize that, right.
Or if you go to court and there's a judge, it's to say
it's, it's, it's no different, It's actually even abstracting
the responsibility further and further away because you put it
in a legal document. And if I have a problem, well
then I go to court, etcetera. No, like this is if you
rationally go through it, that already sounds and is way more
work and way more headache than going through the process of
what you just said, learning how it works, you know, battling
that there's those own beliefs, just being uncomfortable for a
certain time and then be comfortable.
And also I think proud of yourself, you know, instead of
keep living in this uncertainty and and and and the deferring of
the responsibility to to other people, right.
But but in general I think this is like a life challenge for
anyone, right? Like are you able to be
uncomfortable for a short amount of time to, you know, short term
pain, long term gain, instead of, you know, constantly staying
in a state of, you know, restlessness or anxiety or.
You know, there's a very, there's a very powerful sense of
of accomplishment. When you understand Bitcoin and
get involved in it, and you like you, you become, you understand
the concept of self custody. It's a very, it's a very
powerful position to be in because you very quickly realize
that financially speaking, you are untouchable because you
know, if somebody decides, yeah, you know, like you know the
whole concept of about fuck you money, this is it.
I mean, there hasn't been better Fuck You money before.
Before, no. Matter how much you have.
It doesn't really matter how much you have.
It's yours, you know, like you want to send it to someone, you
do it. There's no questions to ask, no
permissions to ask. You know, you're not there.
Pleading. Go.
Please, please, please let me send my money or let me take out
my money. You know you don't.
You're not, you're not in that predicament anymore.
You know you are your own person in control of your own funds,
your own life. It's it's an extremely powerful
position to be in. It's extremely free position to
be in. And you know, like my advice to
to to anyone is like if you're if you're still lingering,
wondering if this is like a scam or something that's going to
disappear or something that's going to be coerced by the
government, get your head out of wherever it is.
Sit down, spend 5 minutes online.
Stop. Listening to.
Other people and and stop listening to this rubbish and
hiding behind your finger, you know, trying to find all sorts
of excuses not to do the work. Because ultimately, like I said,
whether you believe it or don't believe it, the result is the
same. When your turn comes, you are
going to blow up just like the people before you.
There's nothing special about you or your bank account that
Shields you from what's coming. So it's it's not a hard
decision. And you know, again, there's
plenty of resources you want to pay someone to help you.
You're more than welcome. You want to do the research on
your own and do it for free online.
You're welcome. Just do something.
Yep, that's interesting. It's interesting that it's such
a psychological journey, right? Like you have to overcome this
hurdle. You have to think for yourself,
think for yourself and trust yourself and trust yourself That
also the the the uneasiness or the anxious feeling you have
about you know what money is or the inflation or whatever,
whatever your you know starting point is of thinking about money
that that that is a correct feeling.
And. Once you go into that, more than
you know you, you have to think about that for yourself.
You can draw inspiration from other people, but you have to,
yeah, you have to do the work, like the proof of work thing
always comes back, right. You have to do it yourself.
No one will tell you like we are talking about this, But anyone
listening who's maybe on the fence, like, yeah, go do do it.
Please, please do it. Like just spend the day, spend
the weekend. Like, just just do it.
And and what helps, I mean on this journey it's it's good to,
you know get to know like minded people.
It's really helps a lot. And in the Bitcoin space there's
there's a tremendous amount of some of the most amazing people
out there. Like like truly, I've never
encountered any Bitcoin or male or female where the interaction
wasn't instantaneous. It's as if it's almost like this
notion. Like you've known each other for
a very long time, even though you've just met in the last 10
seconds and everyone is so eager willing to help.
So you're not alone. No one's ever alone.
If you need help, you can reach out.
There's always someone out there willing to assist, especially in
the Bitcoin community. It's almost mind blowing.
You know? When I when I first entered this
whole space and just started to talk casually to people asking
basic questions just to become familiar with how things are, it
was the first thing that really stood out to me.
Like, wow. I mean, this is like you.
Like you don't. You don't.
Really encounter this very often.
It's like almost every single person that you talk to is is
there for you, you know and and eventually your network of.
You can call them friends or or like good acquaintances, but
it's like almost like a brotherhood, like a big
community. Even if it's dispersed globally,
you know they're within. You know an instant message away
if you need something. And someone's always willing and
ready to help. So it's important to become
involved in this. It makes the transition a lot
more fulfilling, a lot more. It gives you a much greater
sense of security, a greater sense of belonging.
And again, you know, if if your life dictates that you have to
uproot and move somewhere better, then that's what's
written in the cards for you. This is where your future is
meant to be. You know, like nothing is
cemented in stone, you know you just have to be willing to do
the work, accept the changes and continuously improve your life.
And this is one of the most important pillars that you can
start with, which is your money, because without it you're
nothing. Yeah, 100% agree.
I haven't met a bit corner that I didn't like or had a instant
connection with. And I think it's two two things.
Compared to Fiat, which is a 0 sum game.
This is, this is not a 0 sum game, right?
It's when I help you, you help me.
It's an instant value exchange. You coming on the podcast, we
talk about your company like stuff, stuff like that.
It's if I do the work then I don't do it only for myself, I
also do it for you and the other way around, right.
So we are mutually benefiting from adopting this new new
system. And I think that is that is the
biggest difference that you you know that from each other.
There's that and it's also, you know and we talked about this
now, right, this personal journey, this personal
challenge, integration of these new things that you learn about
yourself, the world, the system, et cetera.
Like you know that this other person, I know that you did the
work too, right? And and I know how hard that is.
So I commend you for that and you commend me for that, right?
And that is, that is I I think what makes a connection between
people who are into Bitcoin and understand it and are also, you
know, trying to share about it's like I know, I know you did the
work and I know that it wasn't hard and I know that it wasn't
easy, right. And that is I think how you gain
initial respect and that kicks off like any relationship with.
Yeah, no, I I completely agree. And we try to you know, like we
try to pass on that ethos to all individuals during our consoles.
Like we really were very strict about how we do things.
We we absolutely take no shortcuts and anything that we
do. We are very like picky about the
hardware that we recommend. We don't sell anything
ourselves. We're really based on your
recommendations, based on on tests, So whatever the best
products are out there available at the time of the console,
these are the ones that we recommend.
And we we do the work exactly like it's supposed to.
We don't take workarounds, we don't take shortcuts, we don't
skip steps. We don't do any of that stuff.
We're either we're going to do it right or we're simply not
going to do it. It's it's it's that simple.
We don't support anything else that doesn't adhere to the
Bitcoin ethos. If you support censorship, we
disqualify you. If you work with chain analysis,
we disqualify you. If you adopt any of that
bullshit on any level, we disqualify you.
So either you're doing it right as well, or we disqualify you.
It's that simple as far as we're concerned.
Like this is our ethos, you know, with regards to getting
people into proper self custody. No fuss, no mess, no BS, and
absolutely no shortcuts. Yeah.
So this podcast is obviously aimed at helping millennials
understand, you know, build safe wealth in in Bitcoin.
Can you talk a bit about how you help your clients do that?
And and especially I'm super interested in like inheritance
planning, right. Like as many millennials have
young young families, they they also get into Bitcoin to
preserve their wealth for their families.
Like how How do you view that? We don't have any off the shelf
solutions. So like we bring in like you
know like 25 years of cyber security encryption and all that
in all our consults. So we personalize a formula
based on each individual's life situation.
You know their technical, know how what they're comfortable,
not comfortable with. And we like through a
conversation we devise a plan that you know marries the
security with the practicality so that so that we know that
they're not going to, you know, make a mistake somewhere along
the way. You know that that we keep those
probabilities at a very low, low level.
You know, we have we have both offline solutions and online
solutions that, you know, we deploy accordingly so that they
can people can safeguard their information the way it's
supposed to. We default to air gapped cold
wallets always. No exception.
Bitcoin nodes are a must, no exception.
Yes Foundation, fantastic product.
So all of these good habits we ingrain in in in all our
consoles, you know like we will never recommend closed source
hardware or software custodial things.
They're out as well I mean or they're kept a very limited use
case in the case of some lightning wallets what have you.
But with regards to the safeguarding of your funds, this
whole self custody thing that is 100 open source or verifiable
source only and like we implement a lot of like high end
security features. With regards to that setup.
We go even as far as locking down the Internet on a router
level to prevent all sorts of online rubbish from even
affecting your devices that you're using.
And that now with the advent of AI we're able to integrate it in
such a way that it's roaming. So even if you're not home,
you're still protected by the same mechanism, protecting all
your devices at home. It's extremely powerful, very
useful. Not many people are paying
attention to that type of service yet because we're not
there yet. But you know, I keep saying that
as the value of Bitcoin continues to skyrocket, so will
the attempts to to steal it. And those those attempts are
likely going to come, you know about from online attacks rather
than physical ones. And that's where you know, you
know, I'm, I'm expecting people to start paying more attention
to protecting themselves online. And because they they all
interface with Bitcoin, Bitcoin is, you know, it's it's online.
So you're you're connecting to the Internet.
So if your computer is not locked down or protected, it's
your phone is not brought down. If your router is not locked
down, you know, like all of these things, they matter.
We have, you know, we have services that look at them in
depth. We provide services that that
you know that safeguard all these things.
Yeah, and so with regards to inheritance planning, like how
do you help people set up? Yeah, of course.
Inheritance. Yeah, inheritance.
Planning. We can do it two ways.
You know the manual ways where we device something customized
with them which involves a lot of education, you know direct
education with all the folks involved.
Or if you want to automate it a bit more, we have privacy
focused collaborative custody where there's an inheritance
plan built into that ecosystem which is completely non
custodial and it it makes things a little bit more streamlined
for those that are not technical where you just come in,
literally press a button, claim inheritance, answer a few
questions and just follow the instructions and that takes care
of that. Otherwise if you want something
a bit more custom made, this is, you know per it's on a case by
case basis. You know we we put something
together that makes sense that we know that only you know about
and obviously those that are in your inner trusted circle know
about and that's how it becomes as secure as possible.
There's no, we don't have off the shelf copy paste solutions
that we just deploy you know with each person that comes
comes our way. Yeah, but inheritance planning
is definitely a must. You know, if if you want to
leave, you know whatever you've accumulated to someone that you
care about. It's definitely not optional.
Yeah. All right.
Well, I I love this conversation.
Thanks so much for for coming on.
I want to ask you the last question that that I ask
everyone at the at the end of my conversation and that's that is
what is a core belief that you will never let go.
Never let your life be dictated by others.
Never. Love that man.
You live your life with dignity and honor, but it's your life,
your decisions. You know you live by the
consequences of those that you make.
Yeah. Thanks.
Thanks for sharing that. Where can people find you and
the Bitcoin way online? Yeah, I mean you can.
We're very active on Twitter, social media pretty much
everywhere. But if you want to follow me on
Twitter, it's V4 BTC. That's the handle that I usually
use on screen. You can also follow the Bitcoin
way account, which is the Bitcoin way under score and
there's the website, you know the bitcoinway.com.
We're active, you know in many, many different realms online.
So whichever one that suits you, feel free to call.
We have a free 30 minute call for anyone if you just want to
reach out, have a conversation. There's no commitment, no
obligations, just to get to know one another better and see if we
can help you in any aspects possible.
We're. We're happy to do that.
Awesome. I will link to to all of that in
the show notes. And yeah, thanks again for
coming on. Would love to stay in touch and
perhaps we can do this again. Absolutely thank you for having
me. This has been awesome.
Thanks man. Cheers.
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