1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 How would you handle it if you were financially retired today, 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,640 but woke up tomorrow to find yourself literally homeless? 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,120 This is the brutal reality that Tony Yausbek lived through in 4 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:12,600 Lebanon. He didn't lose all of his wealth 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,520 in a bad trade, he lost it to a corrupt banking system that went 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,400 bankrupt overnight. In this conversation, Tony 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,360 explains why the West is following the same unsustainable 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,320 path of infinite money printing and why Bitcoin is the only exit 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,160 from this failing legacy system. He reveals why most people are 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,560 NPCS that are going to stay stuck in this rigged game and 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,120 why you should stop looking at Bitcoin as just another 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,200 investment. This is a high signal 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,880 conversation and I really enjoyed it, and I hope that you 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,040 do too. All right, let's dive in. 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,480 Tony Yasbek, welcome back to Bitcoin for Millennials. 16 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,240 Bram, very happy to see you man, how you been? 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,200 Yeah, really good that I'm I'm happy you're back. 18 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,320 You were one of my earlier guests. 19 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:03,080 So for the people that haven't seen that episode, just search 20 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:08,200 for Tonys name on my YouTube and you'll see our, our previous 21 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,000 conversation, which I thought was really insightful. 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,320 And also that that time when we spoke, we kind of walked through 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:21,480 your very brutal, I would say orange pill story and, and the, 24 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,040 and the awakening you had when you lived in Lebanon, right? 25 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,240 And you realized that the, the money system in your country 26 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:34,400 where you went from being very wealthy to basically having 27 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,560 nothing, right? We know all these stories of 28 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,400 people in Lebanon robbing banks, not to get other people's money, 29 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:41,880 but to actually get their own money. 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:47,080 That is what you you live through and, and what kind of 31 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:52,680 started your, your journey. And I wanted to refer back to a 32 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,120 talk you gave in Bitcoin Prague, where you called Bitcoin a 33 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,720 middle finger to the world's financial betrayal. 34 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,400 And I thought that was really nice and and kind of wanted to 35 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:08,240 start with, you know, can you kind of describe Bitcoin or do 36 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:13,000 you describe Bitcoin more as an act of defiance than just a 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,640 better form of money or digital gold or however people want to 38 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:20,000 define it right now? Wow, this is a very, very 39 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,040 powerful question, man, because it's answers are a bit, a bit a 40 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,000 bit of everything Bitcoin is, you know, depending on the lens 41 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,680 that you view it as is definitely, you know, a middle 42 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,360 finger to the legacy system. It's it's a message. 43 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,360 It's that somebody's drawing the line in the sand is like, all 44 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,920 right, your BS, your corruption, your theft, your whatever it is 45 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:44,320 that you've been doing for so long, it ends now. 46 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,640 That is essentially the message that I hear when I read about 47 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:50,840 Bitcoin and I finally understood what it's about. 48 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,800 Now, of course, it's also, you know, the best form of money 49 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,520 humanity has ever seen. And it's also the first form of 50 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,320 money that is not government or central bank issued, again, 51 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,920 something we've never seen. And of course, it also comes 52 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:06,920 from the world of tech, something again, we have never 53 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:11,000 seen before, right? So there's a lot of newness to 54 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,680 to Bitcoin, which is why so many people to this day have such a 55 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,000 hard time understanding it, right. 56 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:24,240 And at some point they all will. How fast and how painful that 57 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,160 learning process is really depends on how much work you do. 58 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,520 My role here, you know, ever since I discovered Bitcoin and 59 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,680 you know, it literally saved my life in my case, is to really 60 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,480 educate and to push out a message of awareness of measure 61 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,840 the message of truth. Hopefully to counter the the 62 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,640 false narratives and the psyops that are very strong, but are 63 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,320 very out there, which is why so many people to this day 64 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:58,160 misunderstand Bitcoin and why so many people right now are so 65 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,720 depressed about Bitcoin. You know, very, very foolish 66 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,760 state to be, you know, there's nothing to be depressed about. 67 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,360 It's actually quite the opposite. 68 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,880 But that's, you know, that level of conviction and that 69 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,600 conclusion, what can only come from someone who understands 70 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,959 what it is that you know, you're looking at. 71 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,440 And so This is why this question is it like a never ending rabbit 72 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,360 hole and we can speak for months about this, but of course, you 73 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,600 know, we'll try to be very specific during this this 74 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,360 conversation. What do you think is the, is the 75 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,840 one thing that people are totally missing about, you know, 76 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:37,440 the purpose of central banking, Fiat money? 77 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,320 What, what is, well, what, what is maybe the biggest red pill 78 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:46,480 that you want or, or, or give to people actively, you know, like 79 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,240 what, what is the one thing that they really need to understand? 80 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,760 Well, The thing is, unfortunately, to really get to 81 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,080 the level of understanding and conviction that I'm at right 82 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,920 now, you have to live the life that I've lived. 83 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,560 You have to walk in my shoes. You have to get completely 84 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,880 obliterated. You have to taste violence and 85 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,560 homelessness and poverty and stress and anxiety and 86 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:14,160 depression and crazy dark thoughts for nine months to 87 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,600 really understand why I have the level of conviction that I have. 88 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:25,520 Because all of this is really encapsulates the world that 89 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,640 we've been lied to, you know, since the day we were born. 90 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,760 The money that we work for before Bitcoin is not money. 91 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,280 It's you're working for a surveillance, you know, 92 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,240 apparatus. It's a system that was built to 93 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,520 steal from you, to control you and to surveil you. 94 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:47,280 But it was done in such a, I don't want to compliment them, 95 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:50,760 but really it was done in a very brilliant way where most people 96 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,160 don't never felt that this was actually what was going on. 97 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,000 And like every Ponzi, you know, in its infancy, it's pretty it, 98 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,000 it still works, right, because it's still fresh. 99 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,400 It's only when it gets to the end, it's expiration date where 100 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,160 the abuse has gone so far past the point of no return, where 101 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,480 you start seeing the cracks and everything falling apart, which 102 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:14,920 is the stage that we are at now. And so this is this is the was 103 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,520 my awakening. Like I was so angry because of 104 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,040 what happened to me that I need it. 105 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,240 I was I was in such desperate need to find answers. 106 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,080 And eventually that desperation led me to these answers and I 107 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,680 found out the truth. And that truth made me even more 108 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:40,720 angry because now I can point to a who is behind the reason of my 109 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,800 collapse, right? So the monetary system is 110 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,760 created by a group of, call them whatever you want. 111 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,000 I like to call them parasites, right? 112 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:53,680 And that group is essentially what controls everybody's money. 113 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:59,560 But this group is the worst kind of human being you can ever 114 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,440 describe. They are behind the wars. 115 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,360 They are behind the genocides. They are behind the paedophilia 116 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,920 that we've recently been reading about. 117 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:14,160 They are behind the most extreme kinds of human like evilness 118 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,080 that you can possibly imagine. This is the system that is 119 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,800 fueling all of this, right? But when you're living in 120 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,760 countries where you're not immediately visualizing all of 121 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:31,640 this, it's like so abstract to you that it's like, this guy 122 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:36,280 must be on drugs, right? But that is the reality of the 123 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,080 Fiat system. And fortunately for us, it's 124 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,160 gotten to a point where their abuse, their inefficiency, 125 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,240 their, their moronic decisions over many decades have fled to a 126 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,800 point where their mothership now is collapsing. 127 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,040 Money printing is not sustainable. 128 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,720 Interest rates are unpayable. But the, the country, the, the, 129 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,720 the world reserve currency right now is bankrupt. the US 130 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,440 government is officially bankrupt. 131 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,160 It's been that way for many years. 132 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,600 They've been able to kick the can with whatever, you know, 133 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,080 number wizardry that they've been doing. 134 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:12,240 But that lifespan is becoming shorter and shorter because you 135 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,680 are seeing the pain on the streets now, right? 136 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,120 People can't afford anything. People walk into the 137 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,600 supermarket, they got a heart attack. 138 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,440 They try, they even contemplate the thought of buying a house. 139 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,640 They get an even bigger heart attack and it's like, why am I 140 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,640 even here, you know, type of attitude, like why do I even 141 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,640 bother doing anything when it's a lose, lose scenario, right? 142 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,880 So you need like people need to understand that this is the 143 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,840 cause of any misery, especially economic misery that they're 144 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,200 going through. And before they have a cemented 145 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,200 belief in all of this, nothing will change, right? 146 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:52,240 So I think this is this is really what's missing in the 147 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:58,520 space today and why people like myself don't don't view the 148 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,720 world in the same way from that lens anymore, because we have 149 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:08,000 been brutally forced to for to Fast forward into the truth, 150 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,480 right? And then once you understand 151 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:14,680 that, everything changes. 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Some people would say, you know 170 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,760 like everything you that you just said you know that's 171 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,080 alarmist. Like you said, it's grand 172 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,800 thinking you must be on drugs. You know this sounds so bad that 173 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,680 it's probably not happening to me right. 174 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:28,120 I think I've also shared and that's why I think also you're a 175 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,200 great guest to talk to, right? Like as someone who grew up in a 176 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,800 Western country, money, money just works, right? 177 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:39,440 And I have water and food and I have a home and safety and 178 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:45,200 school, you know, all that stuff that you think, well, that is 179 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:46,880 well that we know is important to us. 180 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,880 So there's never really like there wasn't really like a 181 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,080 reason for me to start doubting the money basically. 182 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,920 And I think that's also kind of what what you are alluding to, 183 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,160 right? When when people react in this, 184 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,080 you know, alarmist, you know, crazy, whatever, you know, don't 185 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,920 put that stuff near me kind of way. 186 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,680 But why do you think that those people are actually the ones 187 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,360 that are being irrational, right? 188 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,560 Is it is it because they trust the status quo basically, or 189 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:17,240 they don't maybe maybe they don't even see what the status 190 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,280 quo is that they agree to and what kind of yeah, powers they 191 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,240 gave away, etcetera. Like how, how how would you 192 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,280 describe or illustrate that? How could we help people see 193 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,720 that that don't have your point of view of, you know, actually 194 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,200 going from a lot of money to nothing in one day? 195 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,440 I mean, that obviously wakes you up, but a lot of people won't 196 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,240 experience that in their lives. Yeah, but you're absolutely 197 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,680 right. I mean, human beings, first of 198 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:45,080 all, are very allergic to change, especially if it's a 199 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,800 drastic change. You know, they they get 200 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,680 comfortable with what they know. You know, they say they set up a 201 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:53,320 routine and they pretty much stick to it without, you know, 202 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,440 much, much change. And you have those, that small 203 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,480 percentage of the world that really goes out of their comfort 204 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,120 zone always to excel. That's why you have such a 205 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,680 drastic difference between the echelon of really successful 206 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:06,880 people. And then the majority are, you 207 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,480 know, they what they call the NPCS and non player characters 208 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,200 that are just, they just exist, not much value, not much 209 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,920 contribution. They just go about their, you 210 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,280 know, do they, they do what they're told, you know, they go 211 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,160 left, they go left, go right, they go right. 212 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,120 Not much critical thinking, right. 213 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:27,040 They're given enough comfort so that they don't have to question 214 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,960 anything, you know, beyond, beyond that. 215 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,040 And that keeps them as the perfect candidates in a system 216 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,480 that was created, you know, for that control and surveillance. 217 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,880 And so as long as that comfort exists, well, you know, these 218 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,640 people are highly, it's highly doubtful that they're going to 219 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,080 question anything. But what we're starting to see 220 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:52,560 now is that for the first time ever, there was a competitor to 221 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:56,520 that system that was born in 2008, right? 222 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,920 Bitcoin, that incorruptible, unconfiscatable, unstoppable 223 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,480 idea whose time has come. And unfortunately for the legacy 224 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,520 system, this idea is now money, right? 225 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:15,720 So ever since 2009, that entire Fiat legacy system became 226 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:21,120 optional to those who understood what just arrived, that new 227 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:26,200 sheriff in town that no one can stop no matter what they what 228 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,600 they want, no matter how many times they try, and believe me, 229 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,960 they've tried. So when you have a force like 230 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,240 Bitcoin out in the wild that you cannot contain, what do you do? 231 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,920 You try to fight the element that you can't control, which is 232 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,200 the narrative about Bitcoin. You try to make it look like the 233 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,840 bad thing. Oh, This is Money for terrorists 234 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,200 and criminals and you know, all that other nonsense. 235 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,000 And you try to shift people's perception of the tool that was 236 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,800 created to set them free so that in their minds, it's the one 237 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,640 thing they should avoid at all costs, right? 238 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,800 And this is unfortunately where most people still are because 239 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,240 they believe the nonsense, the mainstream, the lies and all 240 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,600 that stuff. But there's a shift. 241 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,200 There's a, there's a, there's like a, a change in the air 242 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,800 because the economic situations of these very same people is 243 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,960 deteriorating. That is the silver lining here, 244 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,840 right? I mean, the legacy system to 245 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,560 sustain itself has to continuously engage in more 246 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,200 debt, money printing, money printing and money printing to 247 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,360 fund whatever nonsense that they, you know, they, they want. 248 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,160 And So what that does is that it's completely destroying the 249 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:46,520 purchasing power of these MPCS. So they were always told follow 250 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,640 the rules. They always did well, now they 251 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,200 can't afford much anymore. So now their lives are becoming 252 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,720 a bit miserable. But despite all of this, you 253 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:01,040 still have a large majority that shrinks their lifestyle to fit 254 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,400 that reduced capacity, right? Instead of thinking properly to 255 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,480 find solutions, to get out of the rut, No, they drop their 256 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,840 standards. They drop everything to fit that 257 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,840 smaller box that they're being forced into, right? 258 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,760 And so, but at some point, that box is going to become too small 259 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,000 for even the most stubborn, laziest, most resilient human 260 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,160 being. They're going to ask better 261 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,200 questions, right? But by then, I don't know if 262 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:37,760 they are able to get to the solution that is available to 263 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,560 them, right, which is freedom money, essentially what Bitcoin, 264 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,880 what Bitcoin is. So those that understand this 265 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:49,600 now are not susceptible to the same psyops that we hear about 266 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,320 out out in the world, which is why, you know, here at the 267 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,640 Bitcoin Way, we try really to push hard that education, that 268 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:02,000 understanding of Bitcoin with for everyone that comes to us. 269 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:07,160 It is not an investment as long as you're still getting upset or 270 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:12,920 excited because of that Fiat price, you don't fully grasp 271 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,200 what it is that you're dealing with. 272 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,200 The volatility that's out there, first of all, for the most part, 273 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,840 is not organic. It's man made, right? 274 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,600 It's designed on purpose by a system that is, you know, on 275 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,440 borrowed time. They're trying to contain the 276 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,880 threat and so they have resources at their disposal to 277 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:37,040 create all sorts of illusions about Bitcoin, which is what 278 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,160 we're seeing now, the UPS, the downs, the left, the right, and 279 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,920 they do this by trying to fit Bitcoin into their own track fi 280 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,840 world, right? So why do we have the ETFs? 281 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:50,840 Why do we have the Bitcoin treasuries? 282 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,480 Why do we have all these services? 283 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,920 Borrow against your Bitcoin. What are these? 284 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,200 All of these, First of all, that none of them are Bitcoin and 285 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,880 they're all counterparty risk, right? 286 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,480 So the narrative is that OK, Bitcoins, you know, the new kid 287 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:11,160 on the block, cool, but use it this way because really, if you 288 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,680 do, nothing changes for you. You're still dependent on us. 289 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,839 We still have you by the balls and we can still manipulate 290 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,680 everything we want about you, right? 291 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,520 So, and most people are still stuck in that, in that narrative 292 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,119 because they don't do the work, they don't read the right books, 293 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,320 they don't ask the right questions, and they just 294 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,440 complain when they lose money, right? 295 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,760 So This is why I see a lot of people still stuck. 296 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:41,400 I mean, they are their own worst enemies because I am living 297 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,520 proof that you can exit that system. 298 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,280 You don't have to play on that chess board. 299 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,640 And believe me, I'm not unique. There are 1,000,000 like me 300 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,760 around the world that have finally understood this. 301 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,840 The difference between US and a lot of people out there is that 302 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,400 we have been completely destroyed morally, spiritually, 303 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:07,240 financially, you name it. And so when you are, you know, 304 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:13,720 eradicated to your DNA level and you survive, the only way is up. 305 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,920 But that human being that is reborn from that death is no 306 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:25,520 longer the same. You can no longer control 307 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,840 someone who understands what I'm telling you because they will 308 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,200 see your games, they know who you are, they know how you play, 309 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,840 and they have 100 million workarounds around you legally. 310 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,160 Not talking about anything you know? 311 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,840 Retarded here. And because of the existence of 312 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:49,520 a tool like Bitcoin, that power is available to 8.3 billion 313 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:55,720 people, which is something the legacy system fights really hard 314 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:01,680 to prevent because they are petrified that enough people get 315 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,720 this because then their entire existence dies in 5 minutes, 316 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:07,640 right? And I've said this on many 317 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,480 podcasts. If the Fiat money that you're 318 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,400 using was such a good product, why do you have to be threatened 319 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,920 to use it? Why are you being overtaxed when 320 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,320 you use it right? Why is it being debased? 321 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,960 Like, tell me one good thing about that worthless piece of 322 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,160 toilet paper. That's your earning name 1. 323 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:35,520 Yeah, I, I, I love this. I, I mean, so many directions we 324 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:40,680 can go to, but maybe to, to hook into what you said at the 325 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,920 ending. I always use this in a sentence, 326 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,320 right? It's, it's a, it's a currency. 327 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,880 It's not even a money because it's losing value all the time. 328 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,040 So you cannot save in it, right? It's a currency. 329 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,240 I think Luke Broyles calls it a political currency that you're 330 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,400 forced to use, right? And that is what you are 331 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,960 referring to. And I like the tax part 332 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,280 actually, right. If if we all think this is a 333 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,520 good currency or you know, money because we we think a currency 334 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:14,560 is. Is the same as as money if this 335 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,600 is so good. Yeah. 336 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,120 Why why does it need to be constantly taxed? 337 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:20,840 Why do you why does the value change constantly? 338 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,800 Why why do you have to create more constantly, right. 339 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,880 And I think the core words that helped me look at that is just 340 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:33,080 the words nominally, right. They they always say that, well, 341 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,440 you know, if you have 2% inflation, or rather, you know, 342 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,160 monetary debasement and does inflation of prices, people are 343 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,040 motivated to spend these these money units. 344 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,240 And then we have air quotes growth, right. 345 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,560 Growth on paper we can say plus XYZ percent. 346 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,160 Yeah, you know, like our our economy grows. 347 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:58,320 And I think there's a few of these things that are kind of 348 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,600 basic, I would say but that that when you put them together, you 349 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,640 can kind of start seeing that you like yeah, like, like I had 350 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,440 like I'm operating in a system where I basically I have no clue 351 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,240 how it works, but it's sort of working for me. 352 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:19,480 So I'll just keep continuing acting in it basically. 353 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,200 But by having that ignorance because it's working enough, 354 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,000 right Enough, whatever enough is right. 355 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:31,280 It's working enough for me. I'm not really asking those 356 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,440 uncomfortable questions because like you mentioned, they are 357 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,000 quite superficial questions, right? 358 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,720 Why isn't there a competition of money? 359 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,360 Why isn't there a free market of money, right? 360 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:47,600 Why, why can't people pay in Bitcoin or silver or gold or 361 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,120 whatever? Like they could do that 362 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:52,000 individually with each other. You know, when we meet and I, I 363 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,360 say give you Bitcoin and you make me a sandwich or what? 364 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:58,200 Like we can do that, right? But it's not at, at a big enough 365 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:04,480 skill because, umm, one, I think we can never force that adoption 366 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,800 as medium of exchange, right. That is an organic, uh, 367 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,360 understanding of using a better money than, uh, you know, a 368 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:14,560 certain Fiat money. And you see that people do that. 369 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,520 For example, you know, on the border of Canada and America, 370 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,680 there's people in the Canadian stores you can buy with American 371 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,160 dollars. They give you Canadian dollars 372 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,920 back because they know that, you know, the US dollar is a 373 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,240 stronger currency. So people have that behavior. 374 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,480 But sorry for the long rent, but when you are active in a Fiat 375 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,520 money system and it's just working for, it just works, 376 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,240 right? You give the coins or the bills 377 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,960 away and someone gives you a bread or whatever, you're like, 378 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,160 OK, well, apparently it works. You don't there's no need to 379 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,720 think about what the predatory aspect of of that is, right? 380 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,960 And one of the things that you talk about when when you talk 381 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,000 about inflation, right, many people see that as, you know, 382 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,080 it's just a boring metric goes up and down. 383 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,920 Christine Lagarde says, you know, we won 2% or, you know, 384 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,560 whatever the TV says, you call it theft with a fancy name. 385 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,200 Now, I remember when I came into Bitcoin and more in the 386 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,080 podcasting, when I heard, you know, inflation is theft, I felt 387 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:17,240 like, oh, that's kind of a, that's a rough expression Now. 388 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,600 I think that is true. Why is it so clear to you that, 389 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,560 you know, this current money system is actually like a, it's 390 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,040 a global web of financial oppression, right? 391 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,640 You cannot really get out. It's like there's like a, 392 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,400 there's like a, there's like something over us that kind of 393 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,040 yeah, it forces us to use it, pay taxes, exchange or time and 394 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,080 energy, etcetera. Why is that so clear to you, and 395 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,920 what do you think other people aren't seeing? 396 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,240 Because you've been brainwashed to believe that this is how 397 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,720 everything should be, right since day one. 398 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,080 The schools teach you that they follow the rules. 399 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,160 These are the rules. The money must be government 400 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,640 issued. The money must go in a bank like 401 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,480 you're told this since day one. You hear it from your parents. 402 00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:59,760 They heard it from their parents. 403 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,320 They know on it. And this, this, this lie has 404 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,800 been going on for a very, very long time. 405 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,080 So to expect an overnight change, it was something as 406 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,840 revolutionary as Bitcoin, you know, like, I wish it it would 407 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,080 happen, but I think it's, you know, unrealistic to expect it 408 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,280 simply again, because people, most people live in fear, right? 409 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,880 Like you talk, you tell them about something as amazing as 410 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,000 Bitcoin and the first thought that goes to their head, holy 411 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,160 shit, is this legal? Like, am I going to go to jail, 412 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,640 you know, for even talking about this? 413 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,480 Like, that's how retired most people's brains are when it 414 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,920 comes to, you know, thinking outside, outside the box. 415 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,440 And until they have no choice but to take this option 416 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,360 seriously, I think most people will continue being NPCS, you 417 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,200 know, and they'll continue seeing their life. 418 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,880 There's their lives worsen until, you know, it becomes too 419 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,200 much. And then they're like, all 420 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,920 right, well, get get Get Me Out of here. 421 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:59,920 But The thing is, there's a lot of folks today that are not 422 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,920 willing to go through the pain to learn. 423 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,960 They are listening to the right messaging, they are reading the 424 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,560 right books and they are asking the right questions, but more 425 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,040 importantly, they are taking action, right? 426 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,040 So Bitcoin, the first thing we teach folks here is that to win 427 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,560 at Bitcoin, you have got to believe, believe with 100% 428 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,320 conviction that This is Money, real money. 429 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,520 You cannot come to this thinking of it as an investment, which is 430 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,920 what most spoiled people in the West are doing, right. 431 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,440 You get, you hear a lot of arguments. 432 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,000 Oh, it has to start as a store of value. 433 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,560 Oh, it has to be this. It has to be that the number go 434 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,320 up is critical for mass adoption. 435 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,920 Maybe OK, But if it is, it's because most people understand 436 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,560 nothing and they just get excited by seeing something cool 437 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,560 happen on screen and they run into it. 438 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,560 But this is not the foundation of sustained success because you 439 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,720 know they're still going to get excited to sell that pristine 440 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,120 asset for worthless rubbish rate later, right? 441 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:06,280 So basically meaning that nothing has changed in their 442 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,680 life. So step one is understanding 443 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,760 that this is the money and the way to win here is to start 444 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,680 restructuring your life to save in that money, right? 445 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,880 And of course, this is not a get rich scheme. 446 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,200 So you're not going to go from nothing to owning 17 Lambos by 447 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,760 next Sunday that you have to get out of your head. 448 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:32,480 When you first start in Bitcoin, it's a very agonizing process 449 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,240 because, you know, unless you're sitting on millions of dollars 450 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,200 just to convert like this, you know, from fake money to real 451 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,960 money, you're going to have to work your way up the echelon in 452 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,920 the same way you've been saving your entire lives. 453 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,360 The difference is, for the first time ever, everything that you 454 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:52,800 save is actually yours, whereas in Fiat none of it is yours. 455 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,240 A lot of people mistake or confuse having access to 456 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,800 something with ownership. Just because the bank lets you 457 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,800 use your money doesn't mean the money is yours. 458 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,400 Just because your card, your credit card or debit card still 459 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,920 works doesn't mean the money is yours. 460 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,360 That means that someone is still giving you permission to use it. 461 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:14,560 But if one day that person wakes up on the wrong side of the bed 462 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,280 or doesn't like your face for whatever reason and just 463 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,120 scribbles a few new words on a piece of paper to change the 464 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:23,680 rules, there goes your access. Poof, right? 465 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:29,000 So that is the reality that most people have not have not tasted 466 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,800 yet, but it's coming. It's absolutely coming. 467 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,320 You can see it in Europe, you can see it in countries like 468 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,320 Australia, you can see it in the UK, you can see it in Canada. 469 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,520 And eventually it will be everywhere. 470 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,320 And this and the biggest signal to me is just how bad the laws 471 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:51,840 are becoming globally, right? More taxes, unrealized capital, 472 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,360 tax gains. What is that for those that have 473 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:56,920 never heard that word before? Unrealized. 474 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,440 OK. Yeah, exactly. 475 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,280 That is this translates into extortion. 476 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,840 This is pure extortion, like thug style extortion. 477 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,360 You don't pay, we're going to break your legs. 478 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,800 There's no difference. The only difference is that now 479 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,880 it's people hiding behind the title of government. 480 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,880 But the result is the same, right? 481 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,960 So how do they steal their money? 482 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,560 Your money? This is how they do it. 483 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,360 And then what do they do on top of it? 484 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,040 Now you have an exit tax. Why? 485 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,360 Because they don't want you to leave, right? 486 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,120 Because the more intelligent people pack up and go, the less 487 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,120 revenue they can extract from them. 488 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,040 All this Netherlands nightmare is coming to many other 489 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,800 countries. I can tell you from now. 490 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,720 These are the signs of a collapsing, failing system that 491 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,360 is desperately hanging to any string it can in order to remain 492 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,880 sustainable, but it will not work. 493 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:58,000 It will not last because again, of that new sheriff in town 494 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:03,480 whose silver lining is its limited supply, that 21 million, 495 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,120 that thing fucks up everything for the legacy system. 496 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,320 They can't corrupt it. They can't manipulate it, They 497 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,160 can't inflate it. They can't confiscate it if it's 498 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:19,800 in yourself custody, right? So they are completely helpless. 499 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,680 You know, like they, they, they don't know what to do except 500 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:30,200 level up the, the extreme, the extremes of their tyranny in 501 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,760 order to force you into their system. 502 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,760 This is what I see happening. And the more people do nothing 503 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,160 and think this is just some crazy guy talking on YouTube, 504 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,320 well your turn to experience some flavor of what I went 505 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,960 through is 100% guaranteed. 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There's a lot of high trust in 524 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,920 other people that are, you know, just as flawed as, as we are as 525 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,280 as humans, right? Everyone has an ego and their 526 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,200 own life challenges and wants, wishes, desires, what whatever, 527 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,520 right? It's just so hard to visualize, 528 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,040 conceptualize when you have not experienced it. 529 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,040 It's a very, It's a very hard thing to solve, especially if 530 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,880 your goal is to solve it quickly because, you know, everybody 531 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,000 learns and understands at their own pace. 532 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,480 And like, the prerequisite for that is for them to be open to 533 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,080 understanding all of this, right? 534 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,000 But the best way that we found to do it is, well, there's many 535 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,520 ways. Essentially, you're going to 536 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,520 become a broken record, you know, very quickly, you know, 537 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,520 repeating the same messaging over and over. 538 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:46,320 And at some point, people's life situations is going to resonate 539 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,200 with like the 50th time that you've repeated the same 540 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,560 message. And then it's going to click for 541 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,440 them, right? Or someone's going to experience 542 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,440 something and they're like, oh shit, you know, like I heard 543 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,680 this, I should have listened. Then they're going to do it. 544 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,680 Otherwise, it depends really on how much influence you have on 545 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,480 your surroundings. Like, for example, the people 546 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,240 closest to me, they're forbidden from working and earning in 547 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,240 Fiat. It's just, you know, Tony's 548 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,880 rule, if you're going to go out and provide value into this 549 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:20,840 world, you're not going to do it to to fund a criminal or a 550 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,880 criminal cartel. You will not, I will not allow 551 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,320 you to do this. And I, you know, and that is, 552 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,920 you know, backed up by a lot of education, like it's a tough 553 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,840 process by someone who wants to make someone else who 554 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,240 understands nothing yet really, you know, like if I can 555 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,720 telepathically take everything in my head and port it over in 556 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,480 10 seconds in somebody else's brain, you'd see bitcoins Fiat 557 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,560 price at like 10 trillion tomorrow, right? 558 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,880 But doesn't work that way, at least not yet. 559 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,600 Maybe one day we'll be able to do this. 560 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,880 But as of this conversation, it's a it's a long process. 561 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,200 The other very, you know, useful way of doing it is to live the 562 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,880 life you want them to see, lead by lead by example, which is 563 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,600 something, you know, that we're doing. 564 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,440 I'll, I'll be very candid with you. 565 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,920 When I first decided to first of all, to get back up on my feet 566 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:17,680 and to rebuild my life, that decision was only made because I 567 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,040 found Bitcoin. Otherwise, I was in such a dark 568 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,640 place. There was no hope in hell for me 569 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,680 just to, to even bother to even get out of bed. 570 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,960 It's like, that's how bad it was. 571 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,800 And then when I ran across this Andreas Antonopoulos video, I 572 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,320 don't know, maybe it was sent from someone who from above, you 573 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,080 know, drop that video my way. I don't know. 574 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,240 But something changed. Something clicked for me. 575 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,200 And then life started to flow back through my veins. 576 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,440 And I promised myself, I'm like, look, if you're going to get 577 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,640 back up on your feet, you're going to do it the right way, 578 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,040 even if it's going to take you much longer to do so. 579 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,080 Even if, if the, if the initial Rd. is going to be very 580 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,880 difficult, it will be worth it in the end. 581 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,320 And so I stuck to that conviction. 582 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,320 And let me tell you, I am living proof that is it's 100% worth it 583 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,600 because you start saving in real money. 584 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:17,880 That money appreciates over time, that appreciation 585 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,639 increases your purchasing power. And when you get to a certain 586 00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:26,679 point, external macro factors don't bother you. 587 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,600 They don't matter, right? Like if everybody's just ignored 588 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,600 Bitcoin today and nobody wanted to use it for the next forever, 589 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,040 then Bitcoin would die simply because there's no interest. 590 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:39,440 But this is not what's happening in the world. 591 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,239 In fact, it's the complete opposite. 592 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,719 But if you're listening to their narratives or if you're glued to 593 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,920 the charts or you're listening to macro and micro fucking 594 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,440 rubbish all day long, you're not going to see that reality. 595 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,720 There are millions of folks around the globe that are living 596 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:01,320 on a Bitcoin standard. They are not driving Lambos. 597 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,000 They are not buying Ferraris, OK, but they are living very 598 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,440 happy, very comfortable sovereign lives with no 599 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,200 connections to the evil empire anymore. 600 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,840 There's no big bad wolf behind your back breathing over your 601 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,160 neck, right? There's No Fear of waking up 1 602 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,760 morning to the news of extortion, unrealized capitals, 603 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:34,640 gains tax, 60% tax bill and whatever other, you know, 604 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,560 nonsense that keeps coming up, you know, on a regular basis. 605 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,120 Digital ID to use a search engine, central bank, digital 606 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,640 currencies, all of that nightmare that only exists if 607 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:52,400 you stay within that world. But again, as of 2000 and nine, 608 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,360 8.3 billion people have the option to leave that world. 609 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,920 But in order to leave that world, you need to understand 610 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,760 how to live in the new world. Understand Bitcoin is money, 611 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:11,040 learn how to use it and memorize 2 words self custody. 612 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:18,360 That's it right And once that clicks in your head and you go 613 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,960 through the workout of you know, building your savings on sound 614 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:28,120 money, you will reach a point where again, external factors 615 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:33,040 don't impact your everyday life. I am living proof of it. 616 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,400 And again, it's not like because I'm sitting on hundreds or 617 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,560 thousands of coins, far, far from it. 618 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,000 But when you understand that your life now belongs to you 619 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,440 because when you own your money, no one controls you, right? 620 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,720 So once that clicks, you live on your own terms. 621 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:54,640 But again, you know, that ties into another, you know, rabbit 622 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,400 hole, which is the jurisdictional freedom, which we 623 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,040 can discuss later on if you want to. 624 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,360 But Step 1 really is about owning your money. 625 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,560 Once that's done, everything else becomes easier. 626 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You echo something that I also 627 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,520 frequently mentioned. I, I, I don't think it's about 628 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,600 how much Bitcoin you have, right? 629 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,640 I think, well, the more Bitcoin you have, the nicer in general, 630 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,240 right? Like just you, you can own your 631 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:25,760 time even even more. But just getting to the point 632 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,920 where you are consciously making the decision to actually keep 633 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,600 your own money and take all it responsibility, making that, 634 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,000 making that conscious decision. I think my assumption would be 635 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,600 like 8 or 9 out of 10 people will then also realize, Hey, 636 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,080 what are all these other parts in my life where I haven't 637 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,880 really taken a conscious decision, but I'm still 638 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:56,080 following certain, you know, systems or, you know, ways of 639 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,280 doing so because other people are also doing them, not 640 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,760 realizing that the other people also haven't really thought 641 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,200 about why all the other people are doing it basically, right. 642 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,000 So, so just getting to that point where you kind of like 643 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,480 peel away all these layers of abstraction that you accept it. 644 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:19,360 And now our, our refuting, I think is, is is already quite a 645 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,000 psychological and also a spiritual step in, in becoming 646 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,160 more, more sovereign. And you just mentioned, you 647 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,040 know, macro, right? We could talk about, you know, 648 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,200 why, why do you need Bitcoin? You know, the debasement of the 649 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:40,680 money, Fiat money at etcetera. But you've argued that that is 650 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,800 not really enough. You also have to understand the 651 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,400 protocol. And I think you just mentioned a 652 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,920 few times, right, like, OK, Bitcoin is kind of the anti 653 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:54,480 thesis right to to Fiat money. What is the essence for you 654 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,360 there is that is that the, the hard cap, right? 655 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,560 Like why, why is this not, you know, a stock investment as a 656 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,600 lot of people think it is, right? 657 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,360 Oh, it's trending with the NASDAQ, etcetera. 658 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,400 What? What is it that they need to 659 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,960 understand of the of the protocol that for you is is is 660 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,560 the thing that that gives you power once you hold it. 661 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,800 Well, The thing is, look, part of the attacks on Bitcoin is, 662 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,760 you know, the attempts to rebrand it, which is why you 663 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,000 know, when you when they try to fit Bitcoin into the Tratfi 664 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,920 world, well, you know, the first thing that that's the easiest 665 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,800 path to do so is to rebrand it as a stock or as an investment. 666 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,000 And so of course, you know, once once you do that, then it falls 667 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,480 within that, you know, manipulated chess board, but can 668 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,600 be easily be taken up and down. Like how do you go from 1:26 to 669 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,040 66 in such a quick period of time? 670 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,560 Like you think that was organic? Absolutely not. 671 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,960 And so when you control these variables, well, then, you know, 672 00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,360 you also controls people's perception of the the product, 673 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,600 like the in this case, in this case, Bitcoin itself. 674 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,640 When you're saving in whatever local currency, do you compare 675 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,600 it to any other currency? Like, I don't know, I, I guess 676 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,840 you're in Europe, right? Like when you when you earn EUR, 677 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,560 you compare it against, OK, wherever. 678 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,920 All right, let's say I'll use the US dollar because every, 679 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,480 most people, you know, reference that. 680 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,440 So when somebody earns in the US dollar, when you get your 681 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,920 paycheck, do you compare it to the Zimbabwean currency or the 682 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,800 Lebanese pound or the Iranian Riyadh? 683 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,800 Of course not. Why do you do it with Bitcoin? 684 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,840 But if we rebranded the US dollar as another tech stock, 685 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,320 that's exactly what people would do. 686 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,920 And so you can also screw around with the numbers and people will 687 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,080 say, ah, the US dollar, wow, terrible product, right? 688 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,480 So this is what they're trying to do to Bitcoin, keep it as a 689 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,880 like keep keep it as a counterparty risk, as an 690 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,480 investment, as a store of value. If that's all it was, Bitcoin 691 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,800 would fail, man. Like if it because it will get 692 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,200 Co opted and centralized, you know, at some point and there's 693 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,880 no more no more revolution. The revolution is in these two 694 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,400 words, self custody the first time where people can own their 695 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,360 time and energy their money. That's the part that the legacy 696 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,960 system will go to any length to prevent enough people from 697 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,680 understanding. Because, you know, that's where 698 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,480 the power lies, right? But it's not working because 699 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,320 unfortunately whatever other inefficiencies they're doing are 700 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,080 forcing people to learn about self custody because their own 701 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,080 life situations are getting, you know, drastically worse. 702 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,840 I keep referring to the example of people that live in very high 703 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,520 tax jurisdictions. Like just do simple math. 704 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,440 If your tax rate, just to keep the numbers easy, is at 50%, 705 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,320 right? So you're working and you're 706 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:56,560 paying 50%. Then on that 50% you have the 707 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,720 debasement tax, your inflation, your money's worth less, let's 708 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,320 say, again, to be conservative, like 10%. 709 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,880 Then you have all these other indirect taxes, sales tax, 710 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,520 school tax, bullshit tax, whatever. 711 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,720 Tax, right? What is left from your paycheck 712 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,360 after you've deducted all of these things? 713 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,560 Pretty much nothing, right? So I'd say good, maybe 70% if 714 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,840 I'm being nice here, goes to fund these parasites. 715 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:32,200 So in other words, you, the hard working, honest individual who 716 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,560 believes you know by playing by the rules and wants to be the 717 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:41,160 good citizen, are essentially working 7 to 8 months out of the 718 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:47,240 year for free. And then you wonder why your 719 00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:50,880 life is so difficult, why you can't afford the things that you 720 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,600 used to afford, why there's just not enough time in the day. 721 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,440 No matter how hard you try, you're still stuck, right? 722 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,440 If people simply just paused 5 minutes during the day and ask 723 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:12,040 themselves, like really ask themselves that question, what 724 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:17,840 am I doing? It says more about you, right? 725 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:23,800 It's it's allowing yourself to be bullied by the system, which 726 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,560 is exactly what what, how I see this. 727 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:33,000 And a bully is never going to stop bullying unless you end it 728 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,880 because bullies, they thrive on weakness. 729 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,240 And so as long as you're weak, the abuse will continue. 730 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:44,840 It's like any abusive relationship. 731 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,360 You can cry, you can complain, you think you're going to, 732 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,240 you're going to get sympathy from the bully. 733 00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:54,880 You won't you will get an even more excited to, to, to take it 734 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,720 1 notch higher, which is again, what we're starting to see more 735 00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:01,440 and more now. So if you want to end the 736 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,640 bullying, exit that abusive relationship that that that, you 737 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:10,720 know, deadly drug addiction, you have got to do the work and pull 738 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:15,640 yourself out. I mean, it's, it's, I just 739 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,840 looked up the number. In the US, people work one day a 740 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:28,760 week to pay taxes only to help their government pay interest on 741 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,960 the debt. Which they can't do. 742 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:33,920 Exactly. Yeah. 743 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:40,400 But you know, then people say, you know, when when you start 744 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,320 this conversation with someone, people say, well, you have to 745 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,680 pay taxes because they have to build roads and this and that. 746 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,520 Well, yeah, you know, conceptually you can agree. 747 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,200 But factually, when you look at what the money is spent on, 748 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,480 especially if you start going down the road of well, how much 749 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:02,840 of my total income basically is spent on, on taxes or well, 750 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,840 yeah, goes to taxes. And what is that being spent on? 751 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,480 For example, in the US, it only goes to paying it off. 752 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,200 Well, to paying interest. It doesn't go to paying it off, 753 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,960 right. If, if the debt needs to be 754 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,640 refinanced like this year a lot and the interest rates are way 755 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,960 higher than than before, that percentage is only going up. 756 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,200 There are no new roads, there are no new bridges. 757 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:33,640 There isn't an improvement in whatever reading level 5 year 758 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,360 olds and you know, all that stuff. 759 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,800 It's not getting any money. Basically. 760 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,800 You're working to pay off this debt, right? 761 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,160 And I think that is what also eventually incentivizes all 762 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:50,800 these stricter attempts at getting more money from citizens 763 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,520 because there's no one ever really that gets serious 764 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,400 traction. Maybe that's also a signal, 765 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,960 right, that says, well, maybe we should reconsider what we are 766 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,400 doing, right. Think about Rand Paul, Ron Paul 767 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,280 or any, any type of libertarian type person in any in any 768 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,640 Western country. I'd say the, you know, people 769 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,600 don't want to and I think that goes back to our beginning. 770 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:19,360 They don't want to accept that they're functioning or are being 771 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,600 the subject in a fundamentally flawed system, right. 772 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:28,760 So even when someone has this picture perfect factual 773 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:35,000 representation of how money works and what the I would say 774 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:41,200 the mathematically determined end of this system is, people 775 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,440 are still going to be like, yeah, you know, like please, 776 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,360 please, please don't put that on my play to to think about. 777 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,000 Now I wanted to ask you about this. 778 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,120 This is a long road, right? I think this is a really long 779 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,600 road. And you just mentioned, you 780 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,160 know, people call Bitcoin digital gold. 781 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,480 I always say, well, digital gold is just an illustration to help 782 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,480 people think in a certain direction when you can think 783 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,880 about Bitcoin, but it is characteristically way more than 784 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,000 gold. It is vastly superior to gold, 785 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,360 right? Some people say exponential 786 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,880 gold, you know, perfect money, you know, whatever. 787 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,840 But my point is more it's obvious that this is still 788 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,480 evolving. Just the understanding, the 789 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,360 reflection, the discussion, all these things. 790 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,000 And it's going to take a very long time, I think for enough 791 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,840 air quotes. I don't know what enough people 792 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,320 are to figure out what you just said. 793 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,680 You need to take away energy from that system that is abusing 794 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,520 you, basically that you're putting energy and time in and 795 00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:42,600 and not really getting anything in return. 796 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,320 You're perceptually getting something similar as you had 797 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,120 before, but it's only worse, right? 798 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,680 I'm in my late 30s. When I think about 20 years ago, 799 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,960 I don't think we progressed. I still have an amazing life. 800 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,880 But compared to 20 years ago, I think it changed in a, in a 801 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,800 negative way. And that is also a very, very 802 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,760 slow process, right? And I think these two things 803 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,440 kind of crossing paths at one point, I think it'll take some 804 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,400 time. I think that that could possibly 805 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,920 be an inflection point. But a lot of people want stuff 806 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,920 to happen quickly. They don't understand this, 807 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:28,040 this, this, this bigger arc. Let's say we get there. 808 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,800 What? What does what does that look 809 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,120 like When people actually value Bitcoin, they save in Bitcoin, 810 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,600 they spend Bitcoin. Is a Bitcoin standard something 811 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,040 that takes us more into the future, or does it resemble 812 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,720 something from the past? What do you think that that 813 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,920 could look like? And maybe what is the total 814 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,440 opposite of it if we don't? The thing is, we are already 815 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,200 living on a Bitcoin standard, at least for those that understand 816 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,240 the Bitcoin as money. I genuinely believe that we are 817 00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:07,600 going to head more and more towards a A2 tiered world, one 818 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,360 that is founded on sound money, where people are really just 819 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,920 living their lives, you know, or their own ways. 820 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,840 No headaches, no fuss, no anxiety. 821 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,160 And you've got another part that is completely stuck in a 822 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,920 dystopian nightmare. And these two worlds will 823 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,120 coexist for a while. But of course, as with human 824 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,960 nature, people always look at where the grass is greener, 825 00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:31,280 right? And then they're going to 826 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,520 wonder, well, hold on a second, how are these people not 827 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,120 complaining and laughing and smiling and doing stuff And my 828 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,960 life like Kyle, I want to jump off a Cliff. 829 00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:44,720 It's, it's, it's so bad, right? And so you're going to be, 830 00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:46,840 they're going to start asking these questions that at one 831 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,520 point they're going to want to move from point very bad to 832 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,200 point very good. But by then there's no ticket. 833 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,360 Like there's no train to take you from that shit hole to that 834 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,440 greener grass area because who's going to trade their freedom for 835 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,440 that? So either there's no ticket or 836 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,400 that ticket is ridiculously expensive. 837 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:15,480 And so when people are stuck enough, then they revolt. 838 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,800 That scenario is what worries me because I've seen a version of 839 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,320 it in in Lebanon. Believe me, this is not a movie 840 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,640 you want to watch. OK, so, and this was isolated to 841 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:33,520 a small country. Put that on a global scale where 842 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,680 people everywhere are having their Lebanon moments, feeling 843 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,880 suffocated. They need answers. 844 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:45,200 That is extremely dangerous and extremely, you know, very ugly 845 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,720 to even conceive what that could possibly look like. 846 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,280 I think eventually a lot of folks will come into Bitcoin 847 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,760 that way because, you know, that's the only option that's 848 00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,680 going to be available to them. But, you know, it's going to 849 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,120 take time. Like you said, maybe not as long 850 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,560 as most people think because, again, pain is the best teacher. 851 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,120 And as, you know, your situation gets worse, at least intelligent 852 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,240 folks are going to start asking quicker questions. 853 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,720 All right, this is not working for me. 854 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,040 What can I do, right. And we're starting to see this 855 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,920 more by the way, even even despite everything that's going 856 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,760 on in the macro world, Bitcoins price dipping and all that 857 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:30,840 stuff, we are, we are seeing an increase of interest from people 858 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,960 in set for self custody, jurisdictional freedom and what 859 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,600 have you. It's not the other way around, 860 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,080 right? But again, this is limited to 861 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,920 those that are actually paying attention. 862 00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:46,760 Yeah, I would agree. I also think This is why it's 863 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,360 slow, right. It is a 1 by 1 conversion where 864 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:55,600 Fiat money is probably, you know, a multi layered group 865 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,080 enchantment from when you're like 6 years old or something. 866 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,720 So maybe that is why it takes so long. 867 00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:04,360 Yeah, the thing. The thing is, here's something 868 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,240 else maybe a lot of folks are not paying attention to. 869 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,560 Because Bitcoin is such a permissionless monetary system. 870 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,040 It's for everyone, right? The wrong people. 871 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:21,080 The worst people, the people you least want to be anywhere near 872 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:26,080 Bitcoin are 100% in it because they understand it. 873 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:32,560 They just don't want you, the worthless pleb, to be in it. 874 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,440 So the powers that be want Bitcoin in self custody for 875 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,960 themselves, but they want you, the worthless, the worthless 876 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:49,880 cattle to use Bitcoin but in a way that keeps you dependent on 877 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,880 them. The treasuries, the ETFs, you 878 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,640 know, borrowing against your Bitcoin, all these carrots that 879 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,960 they dangle to keep you within that broken system. 880 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,840 That mindset has to die. You have to forget about that 881 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,360 world entirely or use it strictly when you need it and 882 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,120 then never look back. So some people argue, oh, but I 883 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,480 need money. No, you don't. 884 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,640 If you can't afford something, don't buy it. 885 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,840 Focus on your immediate needs. This isn't about living a life 886 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,640 of luxury in two days. This is about building the 887 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:32,600 foundation to give you that life at some point, with the main 888 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,280 difference being that no one can take it away from you anymore. 889 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,920 That is the investment in Bitcoin. 890 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,720 It's your freedom. It's not a yield, it's not an 891 00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:47,600 interest rate that you get paid. That mindset has to die before 892 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,000 you can actually win and move forward in Bitcoin, which is why 893 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:57,200 we never recommend any any, but I mean like not a single one. 894 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,720 Try service using Bitcoin wrappers because they are all 895 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,920 manipulated services. Even if the intention of the 896 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,400 people behind them is noble, these people are playing by 897 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,320 rules that they don't control. And the people making these 898 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,240 rules, these people are not noble. 899 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,160 These people don't care about anybody except for their own 900 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,440 relevancy. You can only trust government 901 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,680 when government is no longer in a position to be abusive. 902 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,120 And that only happens when you strip them from the power of 903 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,400 money so that a business, so that a government is held 904 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,880 accountable just like any other business. 905 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,160 Just like you, me and everybody else do something wrong, you do 906 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,320 something wrong, you pay for it, right? 907 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,040 But when you've got the carte blanche to do whatever the hell 908 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,720 you want, no questions asked and a money printer, that's not 909 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:54,560 going to work. So that illusion of good 910 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,000 government cannot exist in a world like this. 911 00:54:57,240 --> 00:55:00,640 What is your hardest take, hardest take on what the Western 912 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:05,680 version of this Lebanese bank line and, and, and your 913 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,640 experience is going to look like in, in the West in the next 914 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,760 decade? Because I assume that, you know, 915 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,560 you're the, the history of Lebanon is a bit more fragile 916 00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,720 and chaotic than a lot of the Western world. 917 00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:22,160 So, you know, perhaps you already had a different, you 918 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,880 know, point of view of government, etcetera. 919 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,840 But I think especially in the Western world where the trust is 920 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,960 so high, it's really going to melt brains in my opinion. 921 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,040 What? What do you think? 922 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:36,720 Well, look, one thing I learned is that as bad as the, as bad as 923 00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:40,280 the corruption was in Lebanon, these people were not 924 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,800 autonomous. You know, there's a hierarchy 925 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,560 for the corruption. The Lebanese governments, these, 926 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,600 you know, these corrupt politicians, they also report to 927 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,800 a higher level of corruption. And if you want to go down that 928 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,480 rabbit hole, well then This is why I'm telling you that the, 929 00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,440 the collapse is coming everywhere because the mechanics 930 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,240 of the Lebanon collapse, the Iran collapse, they're all 931 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,440 they're, they're all the same. They're all tied to the same 932 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:12,800 broken system initially, right? They're just different tentacles 933 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,120 in different parts of the world. So smaller countries will fall 934 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,640 first. You know, bigger countries will 935 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,920 fall last. But eventually, you know, things 936 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:26,840 will will deteriorate. If 5% of what happened after the 937 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,360 collapse in Lebanon happens, let's say in the United States, 938 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:36,400 God help us because first of all, in Lebanon there is no 500 939 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,720 million privately owned assault weapons, which is a 940 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,680 constitutional right in the United States. 941 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,480 A lot of people have guns, right? 942 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:47,800 So you remove these people's bank accounts or maybe you keep 943 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,320 the bank accounts, but they're purchasing power is pretty much 944 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,200 formatted. Can't buy shit. 945 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,560 These guys need to live. What's the next reaction? 946 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,280 Like? Do you think they're going to 947 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,480 come and have a conversation over a cup of coffee or like a 948 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,680 nice dinner to try to work things out? 949 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:13,040 No, it's going to be act and then think later, which is what 950 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:17,720 I've seen. That scenario is not somewhat 951 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:18,920 something. It's not something you want to 952 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,720 be caught in the middle of. And you can't blame these 953 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,440 people. Like it's not because these 954 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,320 people are all of a sudden criminals or terrorists. 955 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,040 No, they're resorting to survival instinct. 956 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,360 And The thing is, no one really knows what they're capable of, 957 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,560 like not even you, until you're put in that situation. 958 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,760 Like you, you want to know who Bram is, really is. 959 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,960 There's no meditation in the world that you can do for a long 960 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,840 enough period that'll give you that answer as quick as putting 961 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,560 you in my shoes. In Lebanon, the day after the 962 00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:59,240 the, the whole country collapsed because now you really have zero 963 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,960 option. You are formatted, you are like 964 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,280 this lone person in the middle of a desert, no one around you 965 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,200 figure it out. So what do you do? 966 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,200 This is how you figure out who you are and what you're capable 967 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,480 of and how you rise back from literal hell. 968 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:22,480 And so people were reacting based on their own version of 969 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,320 those instincts, right? Some people didn't make it. 970 00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,520 Some people made it. Some, you know, some people I 971 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,040 don't know where they are. But overall it is. 972 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,280 And again, it's not about doom and gloom. 973 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,320 It's about just sharing a reality that I've personally 974 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:44,120 experienced and worked my way. Very, very difficult way to come 975 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:49,960 out of it. So if I can do it, others can do 976 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:54,960 it as well. My purpose here is to avoid as 977 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,640 many folks as possible to have to go through something like 978 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,880 this in order to understand what I'm trying to explain here, 979 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,160 right? Because I don't know, man. 980 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,880 Like, I never thought I'd be alive during a time like this to 981 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:16,920 actually see something as historic unfolding before us In 982 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:21,000 100 years, you know, they'll be studying, you know, this, this, 983 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,520 this time of history. And I can only assume what 984 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:29,320 they'd be thinking. Man, we joke around internally a 985 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,520 lot that, you know, like a student studying us would 986 00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,800 probably laugh at us. Like, look at these idiots. 987 00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,960 They're working for paper money and giving, giving it to someone 988 00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,680 who then decides if they can, if they can use it right. 989 00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,240 Like, I mean, can you just imagine the conversation like 990 00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,600 100 to 100 years from now on? Bitcoin is just like a standard 991 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,320 sound money. Everybody's living that life. 992 00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,040 And then somebody decides to go back in time and just study, you 993 00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,600 know, how how the money evolved into Bitcoin. 994 00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:01,160 And then they'll read about us. So, you know, like if you want 995 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,880 to laugh, just think about that conversation and take yourself 996 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:11,400 out of the joke right by by moving into that future from 997 01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:16,480 now. So the way anyone can do it is 998 01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,000 slowly. Unless you're sitting again on 999 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,960 hundreds of millions of dollars, you can decide what percentage 1000 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,880 you want to start allocating to sound money. 1001 01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,480 We don't get financial advice. Everybody does it at their own 1002 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,600 pace, based on their own comfort level. 1003 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:35,480 But to do nothing, in my opinion, is suicide because at 1004 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,760 some point, even if you had a lot of that, you know, fake 1005 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:43,000 paper, you won't be able to do much with it, right? 1006 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:48,160 So understand Bitcoin is money, sound money that appreciates and 1007 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,040 purchasing power over time. And the investment that you're 1008 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,320 making is in yourself, in your freedom and the fact that you 1009 01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,760 don't need permission to transact from point A to point B 1010 01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,040 anymore. Those days are gone. 1011 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,000 Trusting a third party with your money will be at some for at 1012 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,200 some point in time considered mental illness. 1013 01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,680 Like you have to be a nut job to give hand over your keys, your 1014 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:13,000 money to someone else and then pray that they don't abuse that 1015 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,960 position. That is probably a great end 1016 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,920 there to this conversation, but is there anything that you would 1017 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:27,600 want to share with our audience as as a final take away or or 1018 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,880 call to action? Absolutely, guys. 1019 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,960 There are millions of folks living on a Bitcoin standard 1020 01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,320 today. Don't let the news, the 1021 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,920 narratives, the charts keep you away from the real truth, the 1022 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,560 real signal. Bitcoin is a protocol. 1023 01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:48,720 You know, like the Internet. There are tons of apps and 1024 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,520 systems and layer twos and threes being built in that 1025 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,800 world. There are many high profile 1026 01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,360 merchants across the world that are starting to accept it as 1027 01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:03,760 money and are seeing their sales significantly improve while 1028 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:08,920 using Bitcoin as money. That world is thriving. 1029 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:14,080 But if you're only focused on the charts, you are missing 1030 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:19,600 where the truth is, plenty of people around the globe live as 1031 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,120 free individuals. True sovereign individuals, 1032 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,320 right? Tax free, low tax, better 1033 01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,360 incentives jurisdictions. They exist. 1034 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,760 We help people get there. Bitcoin has money. 1035 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,880 You can do it. Again, it's not a get rich 1036 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,840 scheme, it's a savings technology. 1037 01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,920 So figure out your formula and how to build those savings. 1038 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,520 You don't need to buy one Bitcoin from day one when the 1039 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,680 price dips. I can assure you that everyone 1040 01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:49,640 who understands this message is ecstatic and everybody who is 1041 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:55,720 fearful is because they are still lacking the fundamentals 1042 01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,360 of what it is that they're looking at. 1043 01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,080 The future is orange. I genuinely believe, and I've 1044 01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,440 said it a million times, and it will continue to repeat it, 1045 01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,120 Bitcoin will become the future world reserve currency and the 1046 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:11,000 future of money simply because it's the only neutral asset that 1047 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,960 everyone will agree that they can trust. 1048 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,320 Amazing. Yeah, I I think that is an even 1049 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,880 better ender. So I want to thank you for your 1050 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,960 time and your insights and I hope our listeners found a 1051 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,040 valuable and yeah, man, thanks and I'll see you soon in a few. 1052 01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:30,800 Months. Thank you, Brian. 1053 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,520 Looking forward to it man Thank you. 1054 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,000 Cheers brother. I hope you enjoyed this episode. 1055 01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,320 If you did, you can click here to find more just like it and 1056 01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,200 click here to find all Bitcoin for millennials podcast 1057 01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,520 episodes. Also, if you want to help me 1058 01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,360 shine a light on the message of Bitcoin, please like this video 1059 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,920 and subscribe to stay connected. I hope to see you for a next 1060 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:51,840 episode. Bye.