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Hey there, this is from 
Konstani. 

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You're listening to Bitcoin for 
Millennials. 

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Together with my guests on this 
podcast, I go on a journey to 

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discover how our current 
financial system works, why it's

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flawed, and why Bitcoin is the 
most relevant technology that 

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you, my fellow millennials, 
should understand and adopt. 

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In this episode, I'm joined by 
Eric Kaysen. 

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I had a little snafu with the 
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in the beginning, and I fixed 
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So when you start listening now,
my sound is a bit bad, but that 

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Three. 
So yeah, Eric Cason. 

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He's a prominent figure in the 
world of Bitcoin and a leading 

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voice in the cyberpunk movement 
known for his thought provoking 

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essays on the philosophical 
aspects of Bitcoin and digital 

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sovereignty. 
His book Crypto Sovereignty 

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captures his transformation from
socialism to anarchism and 

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underscores his advocacy for an 
independent money system 

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emphasizing the transformative 
potential of cryptography in the

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realm of Bitcoin. 
I absolutely love Eric's content

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and better yet, his friends, So 
let's see if he has some rants 

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for for this episode. 
Super excited to talk with him 

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today, and yeah, I hope you 
enjoyed this episode. 

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Thanks for having me, Graham. 
I'm excited to be here. 

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We we already had a great 
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recording, so we'll just keep it
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
We'll keep it rolling. 

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I love that you mentioned, you 
know the the name of the this 

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podcast is Bitcoin for 
Millennials. 

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Why? 
Why do you think this new 

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technology is so important for 
modern animals? 

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Well, just going straight into 
it, the fundamental truth is, is

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that like Fiat money in the 
current financial system, it 

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it's designed explicitly on the 
idea of enslaving the younger 

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population in order to be 
subservient to older population.

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And I think the, the primary 
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this is in the United States. 
If you look at how the Social 

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Security system operates and 
pays out right now, every single

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millennial who is working and 
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that Social Security system, 
they will never see any of that 

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money. 
And I really want to start with 

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the basis of the ethical idea of
how a moral, nihilistic, 

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disturbing and frankly 
exploitative that system like 

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that is. 
And that's that's fundamentally 

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how Fiat money is designed. 
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millennials struggle to to be 
able to buy groceries because of

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inflation. 
They struggle to be able to buy 

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affordable home because of the 
way that those price has been 

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jacked up. 
And that this is about an entire

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system that is designed to 
enslave people to a form of life

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that is about working a 60 hour 
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get by. 
And at the end of it, you will 

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have literally nothing to show 
after 40 years of hard work. 

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And so This is why Bitcoin is so
radically important, is that it 

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was not designed for the rent 
seeking class that currently 

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owns everything. 
This was designed to be a fair 

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monetary system for all people 
everywhere across time. 

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And that's the most important 
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Bitcoin honors the fact that you
can't just Willy nilly make up 

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new units of Bitcoin. 
And so by being able to actually

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have a static fixed supply of 
money, that allows for money to 

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do what it naturally is supposed
to do, which is be deflationary.

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It's only in the last 100 years 
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form of money that we call Fiat,
that the word Fiat in Latin. 

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It specifically means by decree.
And that's what it is. 

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It's fundamentally a lie that is
designed to have value because 

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there's a government behind it 
saying if you don't accept this 

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money at the value that we say, 
we can punish you and all that 

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that is, is literally an 
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So what I saw with Bitcoin for 
myself was that this was 

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literally a new form of money 
that was designed to escape from

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the enslavement of Fiat. 
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important, particularly at where
we're at with both inflation and

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with the coming central bank 
digital currencies that are 

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going to be deployed that people
really understand that Bitcoin 

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was designed in order to free 
millennials from this system of 

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time exploitation. 
I I fully agree with what you 

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said. 
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is also when I look at my own 
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conversations with other 
millennials is although what you

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say is true, a lot of 
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West, aren't really well, some 
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but we weren't. 
We didn't grow up with problems,

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right? 
Like everything always worked 

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and the money just worked and we
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that, right. 
Do you think it's only when 

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people encounter problems that 
they can actually, you know, 

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perhaps find a threat that leads
them to Bitcoin? 

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Like for me, my my situation, I 
don't know, I just ended up 

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there just because I actually 
was confronted with someone who 

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explained to me why money in the
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And that's kind of my my biggest
threat to to go more into 

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Bitcoin. 
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How do you view that? 
Like how can people get into 

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Bitcoin? 
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that that really affected me was
really coming to understand sort

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of how the global monetary 
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And I spent a fair amount of my 
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world. 
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and other places, and I saw how 
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of Ogden going on in those 
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And it really fascinated me 
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possible that these people can 
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entrepreneurial, and yet they 
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And that's when I started, you 
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system works or like what the 
World Bank was, was, how these 

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relationships work. 
And I actually got my degree in 

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international relations, sort of
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international economics. 
So this really sort of opened up

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the whole territory for me, 
which had me really understand 

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how these systems function. 
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at this point in time, I'm still
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like we just like we just got to
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government and we just got to 
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right roles in order to change 
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But as I sort of appealed back 
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started to realize that, like 
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so grossly misaligned in a way 
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It doesn't matter who's in 
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Like they're fundamentally 
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way that that it's very sneaky 
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taught that, like, if something 
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it must be true. 
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thinking that led through for me
to be like, oh, like we just got

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to elect the right people 
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They're saying the right stuff. 
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But then when I really looked at
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on, you know, like, like people 
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really wonderful liberal 
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these great policies. 
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at it, I was like, well, if 
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Democrat liberal president, the 
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for drone bombing, more innocent
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before? 
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oh, like these whole ideas of 
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not actually that different at 
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They actually seem to be very 
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And again, with peeling back the
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It's like, well, what's this 
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continuous wars, whether it's a 
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And that's when I started to 
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how the incentives are for the 
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that, to provide that to war 
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then encourage wars from both 
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And it was, frankly, it was 
really dark and intimidating and

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scary to come to terms with. 
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at that point, they're like, 
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I don't want to look at this. 
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need to do that, I find it 
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Like if we want the world to 
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have to ask ourselves to 
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systems function and whether or 
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and providing for people in a 
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And I think frankly, if we look 
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growing up and today, I think 
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actually breaking down more than
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And So what were your initial 
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economics when you grew up? 
I I saw, well, you went from a 

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socialist to an anarchist. 
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socialist idea or like, how? 
How did that grow? 

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Yeah. 
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in sunny California right now. 
We're like a nice liberal Oasis 

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in the world where everybody 
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thinking. 
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it's all very nice, like 
everybody cares about everybody 

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else. 
We want to be inclusive. 

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We want to help each other. 
It's all based upon these ideas 

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of feeling, you know, and and 
the idea of that, like, hey, 

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like rich people should share 
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because those poor people 
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of living as well. 
Like, that feels really good 

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that that sounds correct. 
But the problem is, is when you 

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actually start analyzing how 
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are, there are two fundamental 
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One is, is that on an economic 
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rich people got rich not just 
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different kinds of wealth. 
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through general 
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providing goods and services in 
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exploitative. 
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socialists look at that 
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relationship and they go, those 
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advantage of others, and we need
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But what they fail to realize is
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money specifically through these
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through being as close as they 
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don't actually create anything 
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actually are really improving 
the lives of many people in very

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powerful ways. 
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two has has you acquitiate them 
in a way that specifically this 

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other group, they get protection
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don't have to pay those taxes 
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Meanwhile, you're small 
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He gets squeezed out of 
existence because he can't 

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actually make a business because
they are ludicrous ideas that 

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the government has them wanted 
to follow in order to be able to

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have that business function. 
So I think for me, moving 

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through some of this stuff and 
doing all of the research to 

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really understand how economics 
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But then for me, it was really 
during the Occupy Wall Street 

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movement that I realized that 
money was obviously a key 

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problem, but nobody had a 
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And for me, that's when I really
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And I was like, oh, like this 
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important. 
Another one for me is that, 

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like, the idea of anarchism, I 
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organizationally function in any
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the state. 
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socialism. 
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it allowed for this new idea of 
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implement itself and me and I 
started really kind of digging 

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into that. 
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pivoted away. 
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opinion, the way that the state 
functions, frankly, is just as a

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violent apparatus in all forms. 
And that's why we need to do 

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away with it because now it's in
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it, it has the surveillance 
capacities to institute that 

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violence against everybody in 
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And so I I see a very real 
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paired with the forms of 
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And so it's bit, it was 
interesting when I was like 

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prepping for for our talk, 
Occupy Wall Street caught my 

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But there wasn't really any 
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camping. 
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So I I actually think it had one

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very powerful effect and that 
was allow for people to get out 

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and emotionally exude and 
express themselves fatigue and 

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exhaust themselves so that then 
it could fade away and collapse 

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and we could repeat the same 
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2008. 
Because it was a very powerful 

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movement that understood that 
the the problem that was going 

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on was with Wall Street and the 
way that Wall Street essentially

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controls everything vis A vis 
money. 

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But within that there was no 
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There was no methodology to 
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It was just a lot of lamenting 
about the very real deep pain 

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that people were experiencing 
because we lived inside of a 

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broken money system. 
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there was no solution really at 
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very nascent experiment. 
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really important to understand 
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2013 to 2015, it was still very 
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work. 
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we saw the ICO boom and other 
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idea of maybe we could have 
millions of currencies, we could

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experiment with them, we could 
do all these other things. 

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Turned out that was a giant shit
show and a grift. 

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And then I was finally sort of 
in the post 2017 boom that 

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people were like, oh, Bitcoin is
a unique form of money that is 

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explicitly designed for 
everybody because nobody 

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controlled it. 
And that's when Bitcoin, in my 

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opinion, sort of achieved its 
political mission. 

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That's now sort of accelerating 
and reverberating more and more,

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particularly as we're going in 
this world where governments 

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around the world want to make a 
global central bank, digital 

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currencies that are 
interoperable with each other. 

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Because, like, to be clear, like
that is the most powerful 

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surveillance apparatus that has 
ever been developed, and that 

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governments around the world 
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each other in order to make sure
that all people everywhere have 

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all financial and economic 
transactions surveilled at all 

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points in time for any means 
that they see necessary. 

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Like that should terrify anyone 
who has any remote idea of what 

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that actually means. 
Do you think that there are 

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enough people who woken up to 
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And if not, what would be the 
best way to reach the people 

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that do know that there's a 
problem? 

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I mean, like Occupy Wall Street 
was big. 

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It was also, in a sense, 
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media, right? 
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actual people on the ground 
etcetera. 

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Right. 
And but I do kind of feel that 

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like those people that were 
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cypherpunk type people or the 
digital natives slash 

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millennials like young people 
now adopting Bitcoin as well. 

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It is feels more like they're 
progressives quote UN quote who 

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I I currently now think like if 
you identify as a progressive 

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person you should be all onto 
Bitcoin. 

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But that's another conversation.
I think like for me it feels 

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like it's kind of like those 
types of people where the action

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or the attention seems to shift 
from you know, subject to 

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subject, while at the same time 
as you mentioned like there 

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there's real efforts on the way 
to create a surveillance 

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mechanism slash state slash 
technology that will also not 

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bode well for these people. 
Like, what do you think about 

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that? 
Yeah. 

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So, so I heard two questions 
there. 

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The first one in regards to are 
there enough people that get it?

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Yes, absolutely. 
And it's, it's really exciting 

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to see how many people get it. 
However, the big problem is, is 

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that we're not organized in a 
thoughtful way right now. 

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So like to me the next powerful 
iteration that we will see come 

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through Bitcoin is like the it's
actual politicization in a in a 

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totalizing way. 
And when I say politicization 

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like I'm not talking about 
contemporary politics with 

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political parties or electing or
voting on things like. 

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I'm talking about this very 
radical Capital T, Capital T, 

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the political like the apparatus
throughout all of human history 

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that has caused for radical 
shifts and changes in the same 

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way that like the American 
Revolution was it the political 

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movement of the late 16th 
century that fundamentally 

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transformed all forms of 
politics moving forward from 

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that. 
So to me, like that's what 

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Bitcoin represents. 
And so far that, like the 

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Internet also is part of this 
Capital T, Capital T, the 

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political thing that now all 
people everywhere utilize, the 

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Internet. 
It facilitates our commerce. 

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It is our primary way of 
communicating and getting 

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information. 
And yet somehow that same 

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apparatus has nothing to do with
contemporary politics in any 

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meaningful way. 
Like that must change. 

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And I think that changes by 
Bitcoiners essentially 

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radicalizing their own movement 
and creating a vanguard that has

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the specific task of educating 
people around the world about 

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what Fiat money is, how it's 
designed to exploit and steal 

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from them and surveil them, and 
how and why Bitcoin resolves 

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that problem. 
And to the second part of your 

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question, I think, you know, 
both progressives and socialists

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like, they're, I very much 
believe, like their hearts are 

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in the right place. 
Like they have the correct 

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desires to create a more fair 
and equitable world. 

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However, they've been terribly 
misled in the ways and methods 

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to do that. 
And one of the things that 

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drives me absolutely bonkers is 
how often I meet progressives or

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people that are deeply 
passionate about the 

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environmental movement. 
They go, yeah, but but Bitcoin 

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wastes all of this energy. 
And I go, oh, is that so? 

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So, like, you're an expert in 
energy policy. 

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So like, please tell me, like, 
why do you think energy markets 

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frequently go to the negative 
valuations, You know, And they 

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go what I go, well, you know, 
like if you have a wind farm and

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you're at full capacity, you 
have too much energy on hand. 

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So you either have to pay people
to shut down your energy 

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capacity in windmill, which is 
an expense, or you can pay 

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people to take that energy off 
of your hands. 

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And I go what I go. 
So it turns out that, like, 

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Bitcoin miners are actually very
efficient at being able to do 

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that because they can just 
switch on and off randomly 

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however much they want to, so 
they can take up as much load as

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they need to. 
So it actually turns out that 

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the most powerful and positive 
thing in order to get closer to 

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a sustainable energy future that
you desire is with Bitcoin. 

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And it's pretty funny because a 
lot of times they almost glitch 

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out on that and they're like, 
whoa, like, I got to step away 

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from this. 
And to me, like this is one of 

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the very interesting things. 
And one of the things that I 

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find the most concerning is that
there's very little 

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understanding of how much people
are being played by propaganda 

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and how powerful that is. 
And I frequently find, 

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particularly with boomer friends
of mine how much of A struggle 

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it is for me to really try to 
present to them like hey like 

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the you know, I'm like this is 
sort of my own extreme anarchist

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approach of that like hey like 
the government hates you and 

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like they they have no desire 
for you to have self sovereignty

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or agency over your own life 
because of the way that like. 

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They're fundamentally and 
inherently alienated from you. 

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They have no way to, like, know 
you in a personal or meaningful 

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way. 
But because of the way that you 

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have spent an entire life being 
told that the government loves 

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you and cares about you and that
you know they've made mistakes 

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in the past, but they've 
remedied that. 

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Like, that's all bullshit. 
And it's really amazing because 

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I think the Internet's really 
breaking that down. 

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And that's why millennials are 
so much more powerful in this, 

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in this space of being able to 
get it is that we can actually 

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go out and find rogue 
information that the state does 

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not want us to have and we can 
educate ourselves on, you know, 

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And so it's really interesting, 
like talk to boomers about, 

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like, hey, like MK Ultra was 
like a real thing that happened.

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So same thing with the two CD 
syphilis experiments, Same 

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thing, you know, with all of the
different procedures that 

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violated people's constitutional
rights and were just grossly 

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unethical things to do. 
Like, those all were real and 

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happened. 
And so, like, you really need to

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understand the history of the 
last 80 years in the West and 

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the significant and severe 
wholesale abuses that 

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governments have done to their 
citizens to really be able to 

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actually step back and go, OK, 
maybe this actually is a system 

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that's designed to exploit and 
take advantage of people in a 

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way that I, I didn't appreciate 
or understand at this point. 

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And to me, like that's sort of 
the key that progressives really

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need to understand is getting 
that. 

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Like there hasn't actually been 
an incident in human history 

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where like the government was 
actually like leading the charge

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on helping people in a good and 
powerful way. 

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And again, you'll get bullshit 
where people go, well, what 

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about, you know, they they ended
slavery and and you know, black 

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people got equal rights in the 
60s. 

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And I was like, you realize 
there was like massive fucking 

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struggles from the people 
directly in order to like get 

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those changes made. 
Like the government was just 

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like, Yep, we're going to, like 
end slavery. 

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And Yep, we're going to like 
give black people civil rights. 

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Like, no. 
Like, that was that was a 

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massive struggle that people had
to carry out on their own. 

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Very similar to the massive 
struggle that we have to carry 

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out to free people from the 
insidiousness of Fiat money. 

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Yep. 
It's interesting that that when 

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your case that you make about 
the wind farm and the energy is 

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exactly what I also meant when I
said progressives, right? 

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Like that whole energy angle 
must fascinate you. 

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Right. 
If if you deem yourself a 

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progressive, but I think it's 
kind of like then then you have 

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to figure out, OK, where do you 
get your information from or who

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do you believe? 
And then they're actually more 

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like the boomers that you just 
illustrated, right? 

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Yeah, this certain institute or 
someone with a label, I don't 

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know, or somewhere up a 
hierarchy told me this is bad 

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and criminals use it and 
whatever. 

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So that is now my point, right? 
And that's what I'm going to 

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defend. 
But the real digital native 

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millennials, at least I hope 
there's, there's some of them 

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are also progressive and they 
still think like this. 

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But I agree with you, you know, 
like the fact that you can find 

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other information than what what
you've been taught, that's 

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actually a very, very powerful 
thing, right? 

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Because if you have an open mind
or if you want to think for 

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yourself, right? 
Or if you're discovering, like, 

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what do I actually think of 
certain things, then you know, 

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if that door in your mind is 
just open enough and you find 

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other information, you know, not
from a random dude on Facebook, 

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but you know actually lots of 
credible people, for example, on

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Twitter, right? 
Like, that's also I think, why a

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lot of these progressives hate 
Twitter. 

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You know, serious people that 
have serious thoughts that are 

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serious in sharing that, right? 
And once you're open to 

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receiving that, then you can 
actually for some people, you 

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know for the first time in your 
life, actually think for 

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yourself. 
And that's I think just the 

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first step for a lot of people 
to actually find other 

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information, consume that 
information and then realize, oh

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wow, like what do I actually 
think about this, right? 

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What's my opinion or what do I 
believe? 

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And I don't like the rest of the
journey only starts starts 

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there. 
So I'm, I'm personally really 

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fascinated by, like the personal
journey of a lot of people just 

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to switch your mentality from. 
I know that I don't know 

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everything. 
And so I need to gather 

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information if I want to, you 
know, form this opinion and not 

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just follow some random, you 
know, whatever person that says 

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like this, this is how you 
should should think. 

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So I love that about millennials
too. 

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So I hope I see in my YouTube 
stats that I'm actually reaching

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millennials. 
So for all the people listening,

454
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,120
start thinking for yourself. 
I wanted to ask you a question. 

455
00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:27,680
I I just want to comment on that
and that like I, I what you 

456
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,200
pointed out like I think it's 
really important that like all 

457
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,840
of this only starts though when 
the possibility of what you've 

458
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,680
been told has been incorrect, 
becomes an opening. 

459
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,120
And that was one of the things 
about how COVID and sort of the 

460
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:44,720
vaccine and all of that played 
out that I thought was really 

461
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:50,000
powerful and important was that 
while as destructive as it was, 

462
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,000
it opened the door for a lot of 
people to go, whoa, like, my my 

463
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,320
government might actually have 
been lying to me about stuff. 

464
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,800
And that opens them to the 
possibility of now looking at 

465
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,840
history and all the different 
things that have happened. 

466
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,360
But I also think that that that 
now allows for there to be the 

467
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,720
space to actually go gather that
information and synthesize it on

468
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,720
their own, you know? 
And it was funny because I 

469
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,080
actually had an interaction a 
few months ago that frankly was 

470
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,320
terrifying because like, we we 
had a very similar conversation 

471
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,280
of like, yeah, like, stuff's 
real wacky. 

472
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,840
There's like lots of different 
information out there that's 

473
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,080
like totally off base. 
And and like, I sort of thought 

474
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,480
me and the guy were moving in 
the same direction. 

475
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,240
He was like, yeah, he's like 
it's really important that we, 

476
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,840
like, address this like, 
misinformation issue. 

477
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,080
And he was like, that's why, 
like, I think it's really great 

478
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,040
to see that, like they they want
to get like a misinformation 

479
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,480
council. 
And I was like, whoa, I was 

480
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,600
like, hang on. 
I was like you. 

481
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,800
So you think that that's like, a
good idea, that there becomes a 

482
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,960
government agency that's in 
charge of telling us what's true

483
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,600
and what's not. 
And he was like, well, yeah, 

484
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,880
like, how else is it possible 
for us to be able to tell the 

485
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,560
difference between what's true 
and what's false? 

486
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,920
And like, I literally got on my 
chair and started yelling. 

487
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,240
I was like, wow, Because you can
fucking sink, man. 

488
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,920
Like, that's what it is, is that
I can tell you if you hold a 

489
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,360
lighter under your hand, it 
feels good, but you can try it 

490
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:06,880
out. 
And if it doesn't fucking feel 

491
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,800
good, you can stop and go, Gee, 
golly, that was wrong. 

492
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,280
Like, that's the important 
thing. 

493
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,960
We can, like, take information 
that's right and wrong and we 

494
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,800
can compare them with each other
and use it to figure out what is

495
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,720
right and what is wrong. 
And at this point he was like, 

496
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,400
well, but there's just too much 
information out there. 

497
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,600
We can't do that. 
And I was like, no, no, no, we 

498
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,440
absolutely can. 
You don't want to because it's 

499
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,160
too hard for you. 
And that's fine. 

500
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,120
But don't include me in that. 
And I'm pretty sure at this 

501
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:33,800
point I literally just, like, 
walked away from the 

502
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,960
conversation. 
But it's really scary to me 

503
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,720
because there there are, I'd 
say, probably a majority of 

504
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,760
people that actually have a 
strong belief that like, you 

505
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,080
know, this, like, misinformation
counselor, whatever you want to 

506
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,800
call them that, like these 
people are. 

507
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,640
And it's funny, 'cause like, 
again, this is a place that I 

508
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,640
sort of, I I have a soft spot in
my heart for progressives of 

509
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,720
that. 
Like this is part of their own 

510
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,920
naive world view of that like, 
hey, like people out there like 

511
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,520
good and like standing up to 
their morals and what they mean.

512
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,400
That's like, no, bro. 
Like these are nihilistic pieces

513
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,600
of shit that got in the position
that they're in by not having 

514
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,080
any ethical basis whatsoever. 
And this is the same reason why 

515
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,640
these people can boldface lie to
you about shit like that. 

516
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,960
There's weapons of mass 
destruction in Iraq that to be 

517
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,760
clear, the United States then 
went and murdered more than a 

518
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,720
fucking million Iraqi people 
under this lie. 

519
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,920
Like, that's those are like real
human beings that died because 

520
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,560
the American public bought this 
kind of bullshit lie. 

521
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,960
And so it's really important to 
understand, like, this idea of 

522
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,480
getting to the truth. 
Like there's a very, very real 

523
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,640
cost of it. 
And that's one of the reasons, 

524
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,720
again, when we talk, when I I 
talk with liberals and they're 

525
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,040
like, oh, I love Obama. 
He was such a great president 

526
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,000
across the border. 
I'm like, yeah, it wasn't it 

527
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,120
great that he fucking drone 
bombed more than 2200 innocent 

528
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,040
brown children? 
Wasn't that a fucking great 

529
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,040
thing that he did? 
And they're like, whoa, hang on,

530
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,120
man. 
Like you, you look slow down. 

531
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,240
I'm like, yeah, the fact that he
started all these 

532
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,720
unconstitutional fucking wars, 
asshole. 

533
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,240
Like, come on, think for 
yourselves, guys. 

534
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,840
So sorry my my diatribe there, 
but it it makes me angry because

535
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,480
I think progressives, again, 
they have their heart in the 

536
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,960
right place. 
They're just not fucking 

537
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,600
thinking it through. 
It's like they're looking in the

538
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,960
wrong direction, but like now 
that you're talking, it's I kind

539
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,760
of characterized this as, isn't 
this like a Fiat symptom as 

540
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,560
well, like a Fiat money symptom,
right. 

541
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,000
Because if you're if you're 
fully adopted, you know, in the 

542
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,640
Fiat money system and you never 
think about it like lots of 

543
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,800
people don't do, just like I 
didn't do before, You know, 

544
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:58,560
there's all these 
responsibilities that you gave 

545
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,080
to other people to decide for 
you, you know, that eventually 

546
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:07,040
influence your life, right? 
Whether it's the worth of the 

547
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,680
money itself, the taxes, you 
know, all that stuff. 

548
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:16,240
And so when you get confronted 
with something that big, oh, you

549
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,160
love Obama. 
So you love killing children 

550
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,440
with drones, right? 
That's just so earth shattering 

551
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,640
in a sense, you know, that the 
instant reaction is no, no, 

552
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,200
Like, I have to defer my 
responsibility, which means I'm 

553
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,920
not going to think about this. 
So I'm not even going to discuss

554
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,200
with you, right. 
I feel that's like a symptom. 

555
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,440
It's like a it's just how people
operate. 

556
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,320
And they only take 
responsibility in like, you 

557
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,600
know, logically in like a family
setting or children or whatever,

558
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,440
you know. 
But we are part of this of this 

559
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,080
bigger thing, as you said, as 
you said, that there's real 

560
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,840
humans dying because you in part
also allow it to because you 

561
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,720
don't think about the brokenness
of the Fiat money, right. 

562
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,520
So it's also like you're 
complicit in it in a sense, but 

563
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,280
that's very big. 
Yeah, and I mean like the the 

564
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,920
the truth is, is that that 
evokes a sort of existential 

565
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,080
angst that's so big that most 
people flee from it. 

566
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,960
Most people go, whoa, whoa, 
fuck, no, put on the Netflix. 

567
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,600
We can't think about this. 
And and frankly, this is 

568
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,560
actually like one of the largest
and the most painful areas of my

569
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,480
own life that has actually 
caused for me to lose many 

570
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,000
relationships and like it it it 
sucks in a lot of ways. 

571
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,320
And with that being said, I also
gained many relationships, 

572
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,160
particularly my ones through 
Bitcoin with it. 

573
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,760
But it's very hard because a lot
of times you look at it and you 

574
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,200
know, you go, what am I supposed
to do? 

575
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,720
How can I address this in any 
meaningful way? 

576
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,480
You know, and it's very 
difficult. 

577
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,000
And I think that again, that's 
why many of us have came to 

578
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,960
Bitcoin because like, it's not, 
it's not like I put all this 

579
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,520
together on my own without 
Bitcoin. 

580
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,760
I mean, I have to continually 
return to Bitcoin because of 

581
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:04,920
this. 
And with this. 

582
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,560
And it's really important to 
understand the way that we can 

583
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,600
connect all of these things in a
greater and more holistic way. 

584
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,840
Because the way that Bitcoin 
allows for us to lens and view 

585
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,960
things through this sort of 
critique of Fiat is really 

586
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,600
important. 
Because then that allows for us 

587
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,520
to address all of the other 
systemic issues that are going 

588
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,320
on. 
And to me, like one of the key 

589
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,320
ones is food. 
Like, why is it that our food 

590
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,440
systems are so dysfunctional? 
And well, if you look at it like

591
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,280
something like corn syrup, the 
number one additive in food 

592
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,080
products today like that was 
only invented in 1982. 

593
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,560
And the reason that it's so 
successful is because through 

594
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,640
the Fiat monetary system, corn 
farmers were able to go to the 

595
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,160
government and get huge 
subsidies, massive subsidies 

596
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,560
that allow for them to grow corn
below production cost that's 

597
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,600
normalized for anybody else. 
So they can now produce corn at 

598
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,280
a fraction of the cost that 
anybody could actually produce 

599
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,520
it at. 
And now they can create all this

600
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,240
synthetic sludge that they can 
dump on the market that now 

601
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,360
means, well, hey, I can go to 
the store and I could buy celery

602
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,160
and other healthy foods, but 
those are, you know, going to be

603
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,480
5 times more expensive than me 
buying, you know, the corn syrup

604
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,840
slop over here that's been price
collapsed. 

605
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,920
And it's not just here, but it's
sort of across the board where 

606
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,920
we've seen these sort of 
effects. 

607
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,800
And it's very important to be 
able to pinpoint and criticized 

608
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,160
the methods and ways that Fiat 
has done this to us. 

609
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,360
And that's only possible once 
you actually have opened your 

610
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,480
eyes to seeing how this system 
controls us. 

611
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,160
And and frankly, a very 
frightening and terrifying way. 

612
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,080
You know, and it's it's very 
similar to sort of having the 

613
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,920
conversation with people about, 
you know, like Epstein didn't 

614
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,640
kill himself. 
And it's like, ha, ha ha, we get

615
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,400
that. 
And it's like, well, like, have 

616
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,520
you dug into, like, who he is 
and what he was doing? 

617
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,280
And they're like, well, yeah, 
but, like, that's conspiracy 

618
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,680
stuff. 
And it's like, it's a conspiracy

619
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,480
that the president of the United
States at the point in time went

620
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,719
to this man's island where they 
were clearly raping children on 

621
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,320
36 different occasions. 
Like, it's really important to 

622
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,480
get like, I again, I get, like, 
this is insanely dark. 

623
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:23,000
But we do have to actually 
consider for a moment that maybe

624
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,880
the president of the United 
States was raping children 

625
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,800
facilitated by an Israeli USAD 
agent. 

626
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,199
And again, I get it sounds 
fucking crazy on its face, but 

627
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,080
let's actually look at the 
documentation. 

628
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,480
And if this is true, we really 
should consider are these the 

629
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,560
people that we want running our 
government? 

630
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,480
Just a question, you know. 
Yeah. 

631
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,639
Do you think that response I I 
don't know who I listened to 

632
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,360
maybe it was Patrick Beth David.
Like I listened to a podcast 

633
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,760
where someone said that they 
that they kept their child from 

634
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,840
using an iPad or watching like 
YouTube Kids stuff until his 

635
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,040
daughter was five or something. 
And then he said, well, the 

636
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,400
first time she watched something
or she went through YouTube Kids

637
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,160
or just like, you know, or or 
Netflix, just she was watching 

638
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,080
some cartoon show. 
And then there were children in 

639
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:21,880
that show and one kid hit 
another kid and his child was 

640
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,080
very upset that these two kids 
were were fighting. 

641
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,040
That was her initial reaction. 
And then a week after or 

642
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,000
something, she was watching 
something again and there was 

643
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,480
again some sort of violence or 
like 11 character hitting 

644
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,680
another character. 
And now she was laughing. 

645
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,440
And so he told the story on this
podcast and the other guys were 

646
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,440
laughing. 
But then he asked like, hey, do 

647
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,080
you like the John Wick movies? 
And then I thought to myself, I 

648
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,440
think John Wick's pretty cool, 
like he shoots all the people, 

649
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,120
etcetera, right? 
And then he said, but this is 

650
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,440
the same thing. 
It's like the the violence gets,

651
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,400
I don't even know how to what 
word to use, but, you know, it 

652
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,840
turns into entertainment and you
laugh about it or you think it's

653
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,320
cool. 
But it's also a way to prep you 

654
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,040
for like distancing yourself 
from that real world thing that 

655
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,800
occurs in lots of places around 
the world, right? 

656
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,640
It's to to create a cognitive 
dissonance like this is not 

657
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,600
real. 
This is just you know this is a 

658
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,920
movie type thing you know and 
what you just referenced you 

659
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,680
know with the whole Epstein 
thing or or any you know story 

660
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,680
that is really dark. 
People just instantly go to like

661
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,000
oh this is sounds like a movie 
plot can't be real right. 

662
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,720
Or I saw this once in a movie or
it can't be real stuff like 

663
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:38,800
that. 
It's it's also your your 

664
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:44,040
condition to to, you know 
instantly distance yourself from

665
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,240
that and to just not ask any 
other question or maybe even 

666
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:51,480
spend an hour researching, you 
know online like I find that. 

667
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:57,400
So it's fascinating because it 
also doesn't make sense that for

668
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,560
all these types of stories where
people say, like, you know, you 

669
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,880
should really look into this or 
this is not how you how you 

670
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,480
thought it was, that that's all 
made-up. 

671
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,080
Like there's just random people 
sitting somewhere making shit 

672
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,360
up. 
And then there's like other 

673
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,240
people that say, like, Oh yeah, 
it makes sense. 

674
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:16,320
And then they're they're all 
just making stuff up like that. 

675
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,520
That doesn't make sense to me, 
but it's I I understand it's 

676
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:24,560
hard to go down that darker path
than you would usually go down, 

677
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,360
perhaps to just find information
for yourself, right? 

678
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,960
But. 
This is sort of the the meta 

679
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,640
thing that happened specifically
about like again it it's very 

680
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,520
intimidating and existentially 
threatening to realize like how 

681
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,160
deeply we're captured and 
programmed and augmented by 

682
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,280
this. 
And I think one of the biggest 

683
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,960
ones is, is that like part of me
being an anarchist is that like 

684
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:56,200
I am a militant anti war 
activist and the amount that 

685
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:02,320
violence and war and militarism 
is honored I find absolutely 

686
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,960
horrifying and ludicrous. 
I had recently like I was 

687
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,120
listening to a podcast where 
like they you know it was about 

688
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,840
this guy like he's Navy SEAL and
you know all this great stuff 

689
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,600
and you know he he's like 
venerated for all these reasons.

690
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,960
And as I was listening to like I
had to turn it off because I was

691
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:23,720
like this dude like readily and 
openly admits that like he's 

692
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,680
he's he's murdered hundreds of 
people for the state. 

693
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,280
And like no it's like it's like 
just like a non issue for 

694
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,000
people. 
And it just like blows my 

695
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,240
fucking mind that like so here's
a man who has actually killed 

696
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:39,840
other human beings. 
He like he has taken the lives 

697
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,160
of other people and because it 
was done at the behest of the 

698
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,520
state and we were told these 
were bad guys, felt like that 

699
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,560
just that just that relegates 
the issue away and like it's 

700
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,720
fucking crazy. 
And again like in sort of the 

701
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:59,280
irony and and the the the tragic
fate that seems to be modernity.

702
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,040
But that's also why you get all 
these young men who are like, 

703
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,760
yeah, I'll go fight the war in 
Afghanistan and Iraq and I'll be

704
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,080
some great hero. 
It'll be a lot of fun And they 

705
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,000
come back and they're 
horrifically fucked up human 

706
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,000
beings because they realized the
very real moral crime that they 

707
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,640
engaged in. 
You know and and I feel I feel 

708
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,760
particularly fortunate because 
my grandfather he he was a 

709
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,480
fighter pilot in World War 2 and
he he was on Iwo Jima and there 

710
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,640
was an interesting essentially 
their airfields got raided at 

711
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,600
night by the Japanese and they 
had to engage in hand to hand 

712
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,560
combat. 
And so my grandpa, he, he told 

713
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,400
me a number of stories about how
he he had to wait in a ditch 

714
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,880
for, like, Japanese men to come 
find to kill him. 

715
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:46,480
And he had to, like pop up 
behind them and stab them to 

716
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,040
death. 
And he was saying, like in, you 

717
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,000
know, after this had happened a 
number of times, there was a 

718
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,400
night where the sun was setting 
and he was just like fucking 

719
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,480
sobbing in his trench because he
realized, like, he had to do 

720
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,440
this again. 
And he imparted all of this on 

721
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,280
his deathbed. 
And he pretty much was like, 

722
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,720
look like, don't, don't ever 
fucking engage in killing 

723
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:06,160
somebody. 
He was like, you don't 

724
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,960
understand. 
He was like, I'm, I'm 60 years 

725
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,920
past this, like I have lived my 
life going to church almost 

726
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,720
every day after that. 
And I can't get the fucking 

727
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,320
blood off my hands. 
I'm like, I'm about to go meet 

728
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,320
my maker and I know that he is 
going to forbid me from entering

729
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,160
into the Kingdom of heaven 
because I performed this crime 

730
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,440
that I didn't understand. 
And I was just like, you know, I

731
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,280
was like a 19 year old kid. 
I'm like, OK, like, thanks 

732
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,600
grandpa. 
I appreciate it. 

733
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,320
But that's really stuck with me.
It's because, like, it's really 

734
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,440
important to understand that 
like as much as we make up these

735
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,520
fantasies and these ideas about 
what violence is and and the way

736
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,400
that it controls our minds and 
conduct, that like, these are 

737
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,720
real things that happen to 
people that like, we have to 

738
00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:54,040
take responsibility for. 
And it's really sad and scary in

739
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,240
my opinion, how much a lot of 
people don't think or consider 

740
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,760
about, you know, and again this 
relates back to the Obama stuff 

741
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,480
with like This is why I'm an 
anti war activist, is that like 

742
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,840
even if your great liberal 
president says that we're, you 

743
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,400
know, destroying the evil 
terrorists across the board, 

744
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,240
Like is that actually true? 
And it turns out when you look 

745
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:19,440
at the statistics, it's not. 
It actually turns out that 95% 

746
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,040
of the time we're killing 
innocent people. 

747
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,360
And like that requires a very 
special thought process to 

748
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,480
really step back and do an 
analysis of, to realize that 

749
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,520
like we kill innocent people 
based on lies that we're told by

750
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,000
our politicians. 
And is that something that we 

751
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,320
want to participate in? 
For me, absolutely not. 

752
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,640
And I know I can't vote my way 
out of it, but I can take my 

753
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,480
economic power and put it into a
form of money that they cannot 

754
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,320
control and that they cannot use
in order to make that form of 

755
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,240
war. 
So to me, that was one of the 

756
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,040
leading things for me. 
And why have my involvement with

757
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,360
Bitcoin is that I want an 
independent money system that 

758
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,720
can't be used in order to 
finance infinite wars. 

759
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:11,200
So you wrote about this before. 
How? 

760
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:16,760
How can Bitcoin then contribute 
to a return to more truth and 

761
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,120
accountability instead of, you 
know, not having values use or 

762
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,400
just being nihilistic? 
Like how most of the world is 

763
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,520
now. 
Like what's? 

764
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,400
How, I mean, I think, I think 
the most powerful one is this 

765
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,840
word, accountability in a 
dualistic sense. 

766
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:39,160
One is the the very real 
mathematical accounting that 

767
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,360
goes into the financing of war. 
If you look at currently how the

768
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,680
Department of Defense, the 
Pentagon and other agencies are 

769
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,400
financed, it's not just through 
tax revenue. 

770
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,880
It's through literally the 
fictionalizing up of new money 

771
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,640
that then gets issued to these 
people that can then go spend on

772
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,360
Infinity War and furthermore 
through something like Bitcoin. 

773
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,480
There is a very real 
accountability on a personal 

774
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,320
sense to say, I hold this money,
I can keep this money and I can 

775
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,240
utilize to make sure that if 
governments were ever to 

776
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,480
actually like use Bitcoin as 
their actual unit of accounting,

777
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,080
they can't just fictionalize it 
up anymore. 

778
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:20,320
That we can actually return to a
world where the power of the 

779
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,120
purse has meaningful 
accountability towards the 

780
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,240
people and the financing That it
does and like. 

781
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:31,640
This is another very long 
historical arc that if anybody 

782
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,400
has curiosity about it, I very 
much encourage you to look into.

783
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,720
But the only way that World War 
One, World War 2, and all of the

784
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:43,200
successive wars were even a 
possibility was fundamentally 

785
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,320
done through the creation of 
Fiat money. 

786
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,960
It could not be done on a gold 
standard like these Wars were 

787
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,080
too large, they were too robust,
and they were too inclusive to 

788
00:43:53,080 --> 00:44:00,760
be able to sustain that amount 
of economic parasitism that was 

789
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,520
involved with. 
Like it it couldn't happen on a 

790
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,480
Goldstein. 
And so if we can get ourselves 

791
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,160
to return to a world where we 
have the power of the purse 

792
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,720
directly at the fingertips of 
the people everywhere, this can 

793
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:15,800
actually stop global war in a 
way that we haven't seen in 

794
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,880
centuries. 
Yeah, I love that. 

795
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:23,480
It's basically forced. 
The transparency forces you to 

796
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,160
play along, right? 
Like the the transparency of the

797
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,880
system of Bitcoin forces you to 
be ethical and just basically 

798
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,280
right. 
Because the the foundational 

799
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,280
layer of Bitcoin, it just 
represents a truth. 

800
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,360
And if we commit to that truth 
and everything done upon that 

801
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,120
layer has to commit to that 
right? 

802
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,120
Like you cannot scam your way 
out of it and it says like you 

803
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,280
cannot escape the responsibility
that is that is connected with 

804
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,760
using that system. 
Yeah. 

805
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,360
And and making this connection 
between ourselves and our 

806
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,840
economic power, I think is very 
important because again, this is

807
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,600
one of the things that 
fascinates me about the 

808
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,680
contemporary world. 
Is that like money? 

809
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,640
Unequivocally, like is the most 
important thing going on in all 

810
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,160
of our lives. 
Not by virtue of it being, you 

811
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,760
know, the highest principle or 
whatever, but like our actual 

812
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,560
everyday day-to-day lives, 
things and interactions that we 

813
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,120
have with people. 
Like money is what governs it, 

814
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,360
and yet so few people actually 
even understand what that is in 

815
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,600
any meaningful way. 
And so once you can really start

816
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,560
asking what is money? 
How is value created? 

817
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,680
How is money supposed to 
function? 

818
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,080
That you can start to uncover 
these layers and start to really

819
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,760
question it in a deeper and more
meaningful way. 

820
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,000
And the mean, the most important
part of these ethical questions 

821
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,680
is really asking well, who 
should control the money? 

822
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,400
How should it be created? 
Is like, is it fair or 

823
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,440
appropriate for money to get 
unilaterally created by the 

824
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,200
government and then distributed 
to to other people? 

825
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:09,280
You know, I'm like, I I find it 
absolutely horrifying to think 

826
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,520
of the hundreds of billions of 
dollars that have specifically 

827
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,080
been funneled to the Ukrainian 
war from the American 

828
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,200
government. 
And look like whatever your 

829
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:23,280
opinion about that war is. 
The question is, is should 

830
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,880
American money be unilaterally 
distributed by politicians or 

831
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,600
should there be some form of 
larger democratic accountability

832
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,440
in order to ensure that? 
And I think most people would 

833
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,640
agree with the latter of those 
two because like it, it's just 

834
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,640
what makes sense and is logical.
And again, this is the stuff 

835
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,200
that returns me to progressives 
of I want to go look like if you

836
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:49,640
actually believe in democracy or
republicanism in any meaningful 

837
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:55,120
way, why the fuck are there all 
of these different agencies and 

838
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,480
apparatuses that get to 
unilaterally use our money 

839
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,680
without us having any say 
whatsoever? 

840
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,000
And how that gets used, you 
know, and a lot of times I find 

841
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,800
that people don't necessarily 
want to think that much deeper. 

842
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,400
And I think that's the biggest 
thing is, is that I would 

843
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,640
encourage millennials that like 
I get a lot of these things are 

844
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:18,080
pretty big and overwhelming. 
But it's really important that 

845
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,280
you actually take the time and 
energy to understand it. 

846
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,880
Because if you don't, the people
that do understand it are going 

847
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,840
to use your lack of 
understanding to control you in 

848
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,320
a way that you can't escape 
from. 

849
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,120
Yeah, well, I mean, that's 
clearly happening, of course, 

850
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,640
right. 
Like you, you there, there's so 

851
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,640
many of these videos on Twitter 
or Instagram where, you know, 

852
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,640
you see these people sitting in 
their car saying like, oh, I 

853
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,280
have $100,000 something 
something education, you know, 

854
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,720
And I'm not even working in that
profession because it pays like 

855
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:52,360
shit that now I have three jobs 
and I'm rolling sushi. 

856
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,760
But I really have no clue, 
actually, as to why, why that 

857
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:03,400
is, you know, and I find that so
fascinating that I hope that 

858
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,720
just for lots of people that 
that should be like the wake up 

859
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,680
call, right? 
Like you. 

860
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,040
Well, I'm like you are. 
Literally being heard from but. 

861
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:19,640
Be like be fucking angry like 
the like you did the you did 

862
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,440
what you were told you like you 
went to school, you got good 

863
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,360
grades. 
You like listen to your school 

864
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,800
constantly. 
Yeah, like, yeah, like, go to 

865
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,440
school. 
Take out those massive fucking 

866
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,320
loans to like, get your 
education in in contemporary 

867
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,280
dance theory. 
Like, like that's a great idea. 

868
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,880
Like they fucking scammed you 
and now you have to work at 

869
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,800
Starbucks 40 hours a week, 
barely scraping by, because they

870
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,800
encouraged you to take out 
massive unsecured loans to get a

871
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,320
degree that they told you was 
going to be a worthwhile thing. 

872
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,800
And the truth is, is that was to
lock you into this life that 

873
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,400
scammed you and you should be 
fucking outraged about it. 

874
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:01,920
In the same way that you should 
be outraged about the fact that 

875
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,040
these baby boomers got to go in 
and buy up all the fucking 

876
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:09,480
property in the 1970s before the
money got absolutely fucked. 

877
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,560
And now they Jack the prices 
through the roof and they turn 

878
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,560
to you and go, Yeah, you should 
pay $3000 for your rent for your

879
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,480
one bedroom apartment when you 
barely even make that. 

880
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,240
Like, this was a system that was
explicitly designed to take 

881
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:28,840
advantage of you and you should 
be very, very angry about that. 

882
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,320
And I want to encourage you that
the one thing that you can use 

883
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,880
as a tool to fight back is 
Bitcoin, including like and 

884
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,440
like. 
I specifically say this to 

885
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,000
millennials that are like at the
end of the rope that have a shit

886
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,000
load of debt that are barely 
scraping by, that don't see an 

887
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,480
exit that can look like. 
Some people would definitely 

888
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,280
disagree with me on this, but 
I'd say take as much unsecured 

889
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,400
debt as you can, buy as much 
Bitcoin as you can with it, and 

890
00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:01,120
fucking default on that. 
These pieces of shit allowed for

891
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,400
the banks in 2008 to default on 
more money than has ever been 

892
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,520
defaulted on in the history of 
the world. 

893
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,320
And guess what? 
They got bailed the fuck out. 

894
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,560
Meanwhile, you're just trying to
feed yourself and they don't 

895
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,440
they They want to say that you 
have an obligation to pay back 

896
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,840
this debt to the largest 
financial institutes in the 

897
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,320
world. 
Get fucked. 

898
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,720
Buy as much Bitcoin as you can, 
default on that debt and move to

899
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:28,200
a country that doesn't fucking 
hate you and want to take 

900
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,320
advantage of you, you know? 
And again, I get all of this is 

901
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,520
very extreme, but I want to be 
clear, like this is also your 

902
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,440
life and there isn't going to be
an exit. 

903
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,960
Inflation isn't going down, 
rents aren't going to decrease. 

904
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:47,400
This is going to be a long and 
difficult Rd. and if you stop, 

905
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,160
if you allow for yourself the 
permission to stop playing by 

906
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,520
their rules for a little bit and
to protect and defend yourself 

907
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,480
first, then to meet the honor of
your debt obligations to them, I

908
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,800
do think your life will improve.
I'm not saying that there isn't 

909
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,640
risk and I'm not saying that 
there isn't difficulty in it. 

910
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,640
But what's really important is 
once you have Bitcoin off an 

911
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:14,160
exchange that you hold in your 
own personal private wallet that

912
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,040
you control the keys to, they 
can't steal that from you. 

913
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,280
And if you're already 
impoverished and don't have 

914
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,200
anything, that's going to be 
much more meaningful for you 

915
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,200
than any other amount of money. 
And I'll also tell you what, 

916
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,720
$20,000 is going to get you a 
hell of a lot farther in a place

917
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:36,480
like Thailand or Bali, which are
great places to be, than it is 

918
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,880
going to get you in a place like
New York or San Francisco. 

919
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,040
So I only throw that out there 
because I think it's really 

920
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,960
important to understand that 
there is a way for you to 

921
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,560
actually walk away from this and
have some money, but it does 

922
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,000
require some real sacrifice. 
And I think it's really 

923
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,000
important that people at least 
consider that as being a real 

924
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:01,000
option. 
I agree on the like extreme 

925
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,600
part. 
Like I I agree with you. 

926
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,120
But I also understand this is a 
this would be a big thing for 

927
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,640
people to do, right? 
But I think it starts with 

928
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:14,440
realizing that the system that 
you're in is like a construct 

929
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,800
made by people know better than 
you, no smarter than you, no 

930
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,920
more special than you or 
whatever. 

931
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,400
But you are the subject. 
You are the subject of this 

932
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,920
system. 
You are not an actor in this 

933
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,640
system, although you maybe 
sometimes feel like an actor, 

934
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,360
right? 
When you do your education and 

935
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,200
you get the loan or you, you 
know, whatever. 

936
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,000
Like, like the the classic path,
right. 

937
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,200
But I think what you just 
mentioned as the application, 

938
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,680
like if once you understand that
you are a subject in the system 

939
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,080
and the system is a construct 
and there's actually another 

940
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:54,240
system that has been 
constructed, then you can just 

941
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,080
move. 
You can just move. 

942
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,000
You know, you don't have to 
wait. 

943
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,960
I asked Jeff Booth like some 
thought about the future of 

944
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,480
Bitcoin. 
And then he said like, it's now,

945
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,160
you can move now, you know. 
And I hear that in what you said

946
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,600
like you can abuse in a sense 
the system that wants to abuse 

947
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:18,120
you and then you just leave. 
Like it's actually the action is

948
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,440
fairly simple. 
Once you understand and 

949
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,840
integrate and accept that you 
are the subject of a system and 

950
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,720
that you can become the actor in
another system, that would 

951
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:31,560
actually works for you, right. 
Because that that other system, 

952
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:36,040
Bitcoin is a mutually beneficial
system where everyone who 

953
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,960
construct contributes in that 
system also reaps benefits from 

954
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,720
that system, right? 
It's not this the 0 sum Fiat 

955
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:46,880
game and yeah, those. 
Are just my thoughts like. 

956
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,040
I think, I think it's really 
nice what you said, like it's 

957
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:53,160
it's it's scary, but you can do 
it, you know, like it's totally 

958
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,400
doable. 
Well Mike, and this is, this is 

959
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,920
what I really want to encourage 
for a particular class of people

960
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,360
that I like. 
I was there too at one point in 

961
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,200
time and it's really important 
to understand that like when I 

962
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,080
got involved with Bitcoin and 
went all in like this wasn't 

963
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,120
like a like this is a brilliant 
investment and I'm going to make

964
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:13,960
a bunch of money. 
No. 

965
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,040
Like this was an act of true 
desperation where I was like, 

966
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,680
I'm living at my parents house, 
I have no money, I have a bunch 

967
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,120
of student debt. 
I'm broke as hell. 

968
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,560
I hate my life. 
I don't want to go to my job 

969
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,120
that I have to go to on Monday. 
I'm horrifically depressed and I

970
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,480
want to kill myself. 
And at this point a little voice

971
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,200
popped up in my head and was 
like, well, why don't you just 

972
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,480
just just buy all the Bitcoin 
you can. 

973
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,360
And I was like, what I was like 
that sounds fucking crazy. 

974
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,680
That sounds like the dumbest 
fucking thing I could ever do. 

975
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,280
And I was like, yeah, then don't
you you have the real reason to 

976
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,680
kill yourself then, huh? 
If you buy all the magic money 

977
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,520
and it goes to zero, you really 
have the feeling. 

978
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,680
I was like, yeah, that's a good 
point voice. 

979
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:03,320
And I was like, but if it works,
you have to help her pull the 

980
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,640
Bitcoin mission. 
I was like, all right, all 

981
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,160
right, this is like a fair deal.
I made the deal and it turned 

982
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,880
out that like, this actually 
worked out really well for me. 

983
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,400
You know? 
And granted, like, I got in 

984
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,080
early, I got in a lot earlier 
than other people. 

985
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,360
But I really want to bring back 
the point of that this isn't 

986
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,040
like other unsecured money 
obligations. 

987
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,880
This isn't like a car that can 
get repossessed. 

988
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:32,280
This isn't like a house you can 
get kicked out of if you get a 

989
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,960
tranche of Bitcoin. 
And this. 

990
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,280
And like the other one I really 
want to emphasize, is that, 

991
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:41,240
like, you defaulting on your 
debt isn't like some ethical or 

992
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:44,680
moral crime. 
And to be very clear, like this 

993
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,560
is what banks do every 20 years 
and then the government comes 

994
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,360
and goes, well, we'll just 
collectivize and steal a bunch 

995
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,320
of money from the people and 
give it to you rich CE OS and 

996
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,960
and other banking people like 
that happens repeatedly, 

997
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:01,280
constantly. 
And so like it's very important 

998
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,560
to understand like this isn't a 
system that is ethical or 

999
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,240
thoughtful or kind to you and 
you don't have an obligation to 

1000
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,360
it. 
So if you are in a position of 

1001
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,160
very real desperation, of not 
understanding how you will 

1002
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,360
escape, this is like, this is an
escape hatch. 

1003
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,200
And I get it's scary, but you 
can actually renege on this 

1004
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,680
debt, go to somewhere for a 
while, live out of life for 

1005
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,040
yourself. 
And the other one that's true is

1006
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,440
that, like, it turns out that 
when you default on all this 

1007
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,440
debt and refuse to pay it and 
these guys have no way to get it

1008
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,280
back from you. 
That actually gets you a place 

1009
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,440
at at the negotiation table 
where you can actually sit down 

1010
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,360
with these debt collectors and 
go, tell you what, I'll give you

1011
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,000
$0.10 on the dollar and they go 
fuck you. 

1012
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,800
You go, no, no, no, fuck you. 
Now I'm not going to give you 

1013
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,480
anything. 
And they go, whoa, how about how

1014
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,920
about $0.15 on the dollar? 
And now you can go, all right, 

1015
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:59,080
now we can have a conversation. 
But like, again, the current 

1016
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,000
design of the Fiat system is to 
exploit you and make sure that 

1017
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,240
you are powerless. 
Bitcoin is the opposite. 

1018
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,520
It is a system that wants to 
empower you. 

1019
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,240
And again, like as Bram and I 
were talking about before in the

1020
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:16,640
conversations with each other 
and understanding what we're 

1021
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,840
building, like that's why I'm 
here and that's why I 

1022
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,960
participate in Bitcoin is 
because I want you to be 

1023
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,560
empowered and I want you to 
participate in our system 

1024
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,840
because it is mutually 
beneficial to each other. 

1025
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,440
The more people that get into 
Bitcoin and are involved with 

1026
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,120
it, the more it benefits me, but
the more it benefits you as 

1027
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,440
well. 
And I want you to know I love 

1028
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,480
you and care about you enough 
that I think you should have a 

1029
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,360
money that I can't steal from. 
I think you should have a money 

1030
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:48,280
that I can't use to exploit you.
Dude, I say this all the time 

1031
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:53,120
also to my friends, like, please
buy Bitcoin because I love you. 

1032
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:58,840
You know, I really feel that 
it's an altruistic thing to 

1033
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,800
help, to educate people on 
Bitcoin. 

1034
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,320
But the initial reaction you get
is, like, yeah, of course, 

1035
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,160
because you got in early and you
want to get rich. 

1036
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,640
It's like, OK, you'll get there.
You'll get there. 

1037
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:10,800
You know that. 
You understand that. 

1038
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:16,280
That's not the point. 
But it's fascinating to for me 

1039
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,680
to actually realize, like, six 
years ago, I would have never 

1040
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,800
thought that I would say this, 
you know, So it does take time 

1041
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:29,160
for, I almost want to say, like 
your personality to adapt to 

1042
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,960
that new belief that or well, 
belief that you created based on

1043
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,560
the rational thing that you saw 
or discovered. 

1044
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,320
Right. 
And that now that we're talking 

1045
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,920
about it, this is not, this is 
not, you know, the Ponzi way of 

1046
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,040
talking about it, like Jamie 
Dimon probably say, but it's the

1047
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,960
altruistic thing. 
Like, please do it. 

1048
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,200
Help yourself. 
Think for yourself. 

1049
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,600
Just do it. 
And this belief is not. 

1050
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,280
Yeah. 
This belief is about the 

1051
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,400
recovery from nihilism and that 
most people live in the 

1052
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,600
nihilism. 
And that's sort of the iron why 

1053
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,080
people respond in the first 
place in that way of that like, 

1054
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,720
well, like it has to be a 
ponzing scheme. 

1055
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,320
It can't be anything else 
because we live in a nihilistic 

1056
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,840
world where we all have to take 
advantage of each other and 

1057
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,760
there's no other possibility. 
And it turns out that actually 

1058
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,280
the belief in the truth, and 
that the truth is actually a 

1059
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:25,160
thing of meaning in this world 
that has a radical understanding

1060
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,040
that we can come to logically 
with each other. 

1061
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,800
And that's why Bitcoin's so 
important, is, I'm not saying 

1062
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,280
just trust me on this. 
In fact, I'm saying the 

1063
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,520
opposite. 
I'm saying you should go verify 

1064
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,080
what I'm saying. 
You should go engage in the 

1065
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:44,240
proof of work to understand for 
yourself why Bitcoin has a fixed

1066
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,320
supply, what that fixed supply 
means against a Fiat money 

1067
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,160
system that has infinite 
numbers, How and why if you 

1068
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,840
actually hold your own private 
keys? 

1069
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,360
Why I can't just randomly guess 
those 12 words? 

1070
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:03,240
And why the math behind it 
actually is dignified in such a 

1071
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,320
way that you can know. 
You can actually know by doing 

1072
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:11,440
the math yourself that I can't 
randomly guess those 12 words, 

1073
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:18,320
nor can any other power. 
Yeah, you don't have to believe 

1074
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,640
us as compared to every other 
thing in the world. 

1075
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,080
You can actually check if it's 
true. 

1076
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,240
And that's, that's the entire 
point. 

1077
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,440
That's maybe that's just the 
core of Bitcoin in a sense, 

1078
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,920
right? 
Like you can see that what you 

1079
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,440
see, Well, you can investigate 
that what you see is actually 

1080
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,720
true. 
Well, try to do that with any 

1081
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:44,560
other thing probably. 
Well, and this is also that, 

1082
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,760
that this is also the affect 
that starts to transform people 

1083
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,440
in a much more holistic way 
beyond Bitcoin is that for me 

1084
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,320
and this is what I've seen, is 
this radical encounter with the 

1085
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,400
truth. 
It fundamentally rescues us from

1086
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,200
a nihilistic world view where we
actually understand, oh, like 

1087
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:06,120
the truth actually is a radical 
thing that we can use to 

1088
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,840
transform the world. 
And when I take that same form 

1089
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,160
of thought and I go, well, is 
all this stuff that I've been 

1090
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,920
told about food and that fats 
are bad, is that actually true? 

1091
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,480
Holy shit, it's not. 
It is all this, you know, and 

1092
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,200
like, whatever it comes to, it's
really important because you 

1093
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,480
start to transform how you 
think, where you start to lead. 

1094
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,440
Oh, maybe I shouldn't actually 
trust people that tell me to 

1095
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:31,920
trust them. 
And in fact, maybe that's 

1096
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,200
actually a signal that I 
shouldn't trust them. 

1097
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,600
And then I should take the extra
time and energy to go check what

1098
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,360
they're telling me is true. 
And it and frankly, like this is

1099
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,760
another place that you start to 
run up against that place where 

1100
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,200
stuff can get dark enough that 
you can become intimidated, you 

1101
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:50,520
know? 
And and for me, like this is 

1102
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,040
where some of my philosophical 
work comes into is that like, 

1103
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,440
look like that. 
And it's hard for people to 

1104
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,680
understand this. 
Like what makes this system 

1105
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,720
evil? 
Isn't that There's like a bunch 

1106
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,720
of maniacal people out there 
being like, oh ha ha, we get to 

1107
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,840
take advantage of by doing this?
No, actually, it's quite the 

1108
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,520
opposite. 
It's actually people who they've

1109
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,600
never even thought about if this
thing is evil. 

1110
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,360
And this is what Hanara Dent's 
whole point was with Eichmann 

1111
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,880
and Jerusalem. 
Was that Eichmann, the guy who 

1112
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,840
was in charge of shipping all of
the Jews off to the camps to be 

1113
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,120
killed in the Holocaust? 
When he was approached with this

1114
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,040
question, he couldn't even wrap 
his head around it. 

1115
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,560
He always maintained through the
whole thing that he was a good 

1116
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,600
upstanding citizen that was 
obeying the law and that he had 

1117
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,280
to obey his superiors if they 
were going to be able to live in

1118
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,040
a good and functional society. 
And our dance criticism was she 

1119
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,920
was like, look at this fucking 
pea brain moron. 

1120
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,560
We're approaching him with a 
very real ethical question about

1121
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,760
his involvement in killing 
millions of people. 

1122
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,320
And he can't even fucking self 
reflect on it. 

1123
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,640
Like that's how far removed he 
is. 

1124
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,840
And so it's not that he's some 
maniacal evil asshole, it's that

1125
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,440
he's not even capable of 
thinking that what he's involved

1126
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,800
with is evil. 
And that's why there are so many

1127
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,000
people out there who are 
involved in banking, financing 

1128
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,480
and everything across the board.
When you approach them with 

1129
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,880
these issues, they can't think 
about it. 

1130
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,480
They just reject it and go whoa,
whoa, whoa, you're getting too 

1131
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,280
meta on me, man. 
Like I look like I'm just a a 

1132
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,440
poor little club soldier and I 
just do what I'm told. 

1133
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:31,160
And so if they say I have to go 
to Iran or I have to go to Yemen

1134
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,200
or wherever I go, that's just 
what I do. 

1135
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,480
You know? 
Like I it's not for me to think 

1136
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,880
about whether or not this is 
right or wrong. 

1137
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:43,160
And that's the exact thing that 
I'm insisting upon is that we 

1138
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:47,720
are actual ethical agents in 
this world and we do have the 

1139
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:51,040
power and capacity to self 
reflect for ourselves and ask, 

1140
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,800
is this form of money that we 
currently use called Fiat, is it

1141
01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:00,120
fair and equitable to the people
of the world and utilized for 

1142
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,720
good purposes? 
Or is it something else? 

1143
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,440
And if it's something else, then
we have to take the very real 

1144
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,480
responsibility for ourselves to 
say perhaps it is time for 

1145
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,920
something new to transform and 
change our world. 

1146
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,640
And it happens to me that 
Bitcoin is that very thing that 

1147
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,600
we can do that with. 
Do you see Bitcoin? 

1148
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,200
Would you define Bitcoin as a 
tool to enlightenment? 

1149
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,080
Enlightenment's. 
Such a big word. 

1150
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:31,680
I don't think I would use 
enlightenment. 

1151
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,160
What I would say is Bitcoin. 
I wanted to hear your 

1152
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,960
definition. 
Is Bitcoin a tool to? 

1153
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,800
Open people to the radical 
possibilities that they don't 

1154
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,240
believe are possible today? 
Absolutely. 

1155
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:49,320
Is Bitcoin the most powerful 
tool that we have today to 

1156
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,880
rescue ourselves from the 
endemic nihilism that has 

1157
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,440
consumed everything? 
Absolutely. 

1158
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:01,080
And is Bitcoin a way that 
together we can utilize to 

1159
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:05,600
transform the fundamental nature
of reality as we understand it? 

1160
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,520
Yeah, I think so. 
And I understand that like and 

1161
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,880
again like what we were talking 
about before recording that like

1162
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,720
when I get together with other 
bitcoiners and we kind of start 

1163
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,040
ping ponging back and forth and 
reflecting on this like and this

1164
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,640
is what some of my work 
philosophically deals with is 

1165
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,720
that like I do actually think 
that this is unequivocally the 

1166
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:31,240
largest and the most important 
development in all of human 

1167
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,440
history. 
And the reason why I say and 

1168
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,160
like even more than the printing
press and other things is 

1169
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,040
because of how radical this 
technology is. 

1170
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:43,320
And the fact that this is the 
only thing that can allow for us

1171
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:48,240
to utilize the Internet in an 
economic form where there is no 

1172
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:53,000
single entity that controls it. 
And to me like that is the only 

1173
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:57,360
thing that can allow for us to 
transition from a state based 

1174
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:02,240
panoptic surveillance society 
into an open, free global 

1175
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,120
society. 
And and frankly I don't think 

1176
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:10,080
there's an in between. 
We either get totalitarian state

1177
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,920
surveillance where all things 
are monitored by everybody at 

1178
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,160
all points in time for the 
approval or disapproval of 

1179
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:22,000
governments. 
Or we get radical free 

1180
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,880
entrepreneurial world where 
Bitcoin becomes the core money 

1181
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:30,080
that all people use and states 
have to submit themselves to 

1182
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,800
what it means that their people 
now have a free and independent 

1183
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,440
money. 
I don't think there's an in 

1184
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,960
between. 
I agree and so. 

1185
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:41,240
You you've also written a lot 
about or you often touch on like

1186
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:45,160
theological aspects. 
How how do you see Bitcoin in 

1187
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:50,720
relation to to those? 
As I've said, you know, earlier 

1188
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,760
in this conversation, like I 
believe it is actually a deeply 

1189
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:58,080
rescuing thing from nihilism. 
And I think when you have this 

1190
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,760
radical encounter with the 
truth, like to me, like if you 

1191
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,000
call it the truth or God or 
whatever, like to me what that 

1192
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,000
truth represents is this higher 
form of power. 

1193
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,080
There is actually reason and 
goodness in the world, and that 

1194
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:15,120
there is an actual, real 
possibility that we can change 

1195
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,320
all of this fucked up nonsense 
that we've inherited from our 

1196
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:23,080
our fathers and grandfathers. 
And it turns out that by the 

1197
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:27,040
virtue of our ancestors and the 
deep philosophical thinking that

1198
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:31,800
they told us to align yourself 
with truth, there becomes this 

1199
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:36,160
new, deep, personalized 
empowerment that I think is very

1200
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,360
deep and meaningful that I feel 
is spiritual. 

1201
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:44,440
And for me, it helped put myself
on a path of realizing that my 

1202
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,320
involvement with Bitcoin isn't 
about number go up. 

1203
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,960
And frankly, like I kind of find
number go up a bit comical in 

1204
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,200
light of this other thing. 
To me, what it's really about is

1205
01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:00,400
participating in the creation of
a new global fair economic 

1206
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:04,560
system where we can actually 
truly align ourselves with the 

1207
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,960
principles and the 
accountability that we want and 

1208
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:12,600
what it means to be responsible 
and to care for ourselves as 

1209
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:17,479
beings who who will pass this 
world on to the next generation.

1210
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,359
And to me, it's very important 
to understand that Bitcoin 

1211
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:24,760
honors and venerates the future 
generations in so far that it 

1212
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:29,120
says no, we we are not going to 
be able to unilaterally create 

1213
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:33,560
money and steal from the future 
in order to be able to finance 

1214
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,960
things of today. 
And I think that that's a very, 

1215
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,720
very important thought and mode 
that we must connect with in 

1216
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,240
order to actually really change 
things in a meaningful way. 

1217
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:50,600
Yeah. 
And so I think, I think I know 

1218
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,240
what you will say, but if I 
would ask you why do all roads 

1219
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,880
lead to Bitcoin? 
What what is the answer there? 

1220
01:08:58,600 --> 01:08:59,640
Well, I think when you. 
Kind of. 

1221
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:04,560
Look at the, you know, global 
economic system and how the 

1222
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,160
Internet has had a radical 
transforming effect over the 

1223
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:11,800
last 30 years. 
Bitcoin's only fair and equal 

1224
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,160
form of money that works 
everywhere for all people, 

1225
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:20,920
irregardless of government or 
citizen status or any other sort

1226
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,439
of identifying form. 
And so I think once you actually

1227
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,080
go through the logical 
permutations of trying to 

1228
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,880
understand what is the most 
ideal form of money that people 

1229
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,720
could be using in a globalized 
digital society as our own, 

1230
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,399
Bitcoin's the only answer, you 
know. 

1231
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:39,640
And if you want to go through 
your shit coin arc as well, 

1232
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,680
like, you'll have to look at why
is anonymity so important and 

1233
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,680
powerful here? 
And it turns out that, like, if 

1234
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,960
one is not anonymous, that 
creates a very real physical 

1235
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,160
body that can be destroyed by 
governments that will be 

1236
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,640
threatened by a free and 
independent money system. 

1237
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,920
Because, frankly, it is an 
actual existential threat to the

1238
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:02,240
existence of all states 
everywhere today. 

1239
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:06,360
Because there's not a single 
state in existence today that 

1240
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:10,880
isn't radically dependent on 
Fiat money and how it functions 

1241
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,960
and is issued. 
Yeah, I once. 

1242
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,080
I once talked to a guy who. 
Said like, I don't know if 

1243
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:24,600
Bitcoin can really replace Fiat 
money, I think it can, but 

1244
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,800
that's what he said. 
But he said, if it lives 

1245
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:32,840
alongside, if this new system is
established alongside, you know,

1246
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:40,680
the old system, then inevitably 
that old system will get like 

1247
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:45,280
checked more, right? 
It's kind of like the new system

1248
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:50,480
of Bitcoin, wood forest, the old
system to behave better or else,

1249
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,640
you know, everyone will actually
move, right? 

1250
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:58,400
So I found that an interesting 
thought, like it would be. 

1251
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,480
Great if we would really have 
like a Bitcoin. 

1252
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:04,520
Standard I I believe in that, 
but I think we will also get 

1253
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,920
somewhere already if it's like a
parallel. 

1254
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:13,120
If it's like a parallel thing, 
especially I do, I do think 

1255
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,960
it'll also be. 
Yeah, advantageous and. 

1256
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,800
So far that. 
You know that that system 

1257
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,200
countered against Bitcoin will 
force it to behave better in 

1258
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,640
addition to like look like if 
states really want to, like, get

1259
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,520
their shit together and behave 
in a meaningful and thoughtful 

1260
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,800
way, these two systems paired 
together will actually probably 

1261
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:39,560
work out pretty well together. 
So yeah, I I. 

1262
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,920
Feel. 
Pretty great about where we're 

1263
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,560
going, and actually I got to 
start wrapping up just because I

1264
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,240
got to go catch a flight to go 
halfway around the world. 

1265
01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:52,240
So awesome. 
Let's do that. 22 short 

1266
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,000
questions. 
To end, if there's a short 

1267
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,240
answer, I hope to this one How 
do I know if I'm an anarchist? 

1268
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,160
I think probably the best one 
is. 

1269
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,560
Is that you? 
Believe in the agency of 

1270
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,880
individuals to make decisions 
for themselves that are going to

1271
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,640
be the best for themselves and 
for their community. 

1272
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,960
That you really think that 
people can utilize their own 

1273
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:17,240
agency and thought and morals to
make decisions for themselves, 

1274
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,280
and that they don't need to 
relegate those decisions to an 

1275
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,720
authority outside and beyond 
their own control. 

1276
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:28,160
Love that feels like I'm an. 
Anarchist then, OK? 

1277
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,280
Last question. 
I ask everyone the same 

1278
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,440
question. 
What's a core belief you will 

1279
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:35,800
never let go? 
That truth is something of 

1280
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,000
meaning in this. 
World and then trying to 

1281
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:42,400
understand it and get closer to 
it will always be something 

1282
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:47,680
positive that will give in a way
that is sort of an infinite 

1283
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:52,560
vehicle that there that the 
truth doesn't need anyone to 

1284
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,720
stand up for itself, it can 
stand on its own. 

1285
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,200
And that in and of itself makes 
it the most important thing that

1286
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,280
we can encounter. 
Love that, man. 

1287
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,760
That's a that's a great ending. 
To this conversation, man, 

1288
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,160
Thanks so much for coming on. 
I really appreciate your time 

1289
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,000
and absolutely hope to do this 
again somewhere in the future. 

1290
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,200
Fun, fun to jam, man. 
Thank you so much. 

1291
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,600
Absolutely thank you. 
I greatly appreciate your. 

1292
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,080
Time. 
And yeah, I hope some 

1293
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:20,040
millennials get get some good 
good content from that. 

1294
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:21,920
Cheers, man. 
Thanks. 

1295
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,960
Be well, I hope you enjoyed. 
This episode, if you did it. 

1296
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,880
Would be amazing if you could 
rate, review and subscribe on 

1297
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,840
the podcast platform of your 
choice. 

1298
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,800
It will help us educate more 
millennials on the importance of

1299
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,800
Bitcoin. 
You can follow and connect with 

1300
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,840
me on Twitter. 
I'm Brom K That's at BR AM K and

1301
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,320
if you are or know someone who 
has an interesting perspective 

1302
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,280
on Bitcoin that's worth sharing,
hit me up. 

1303
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,360
I read and reply to every single
message. 

1304
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,160
I appreciate your support and 
hope you'll be here for the next

1305
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:50,640
episode. 
Thanks for listening. 

1306
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:51,160
Bye.