A lot of people talk about the financial benefits of Bitcoin,
but in this episode of Bitcoin for Millennials, we're going to
talk about something far more profound, the psychological
relief that it brings you. I'm joined by Gospel Drini and
we dive into how living on a Fiat standard where your money
loses value every day, literally breeds nihilism, depression, and
anxiety. Gus shares his personal journey
of working 60 hours a week to provide for his family and how
escaping the Fiat rat race gave him his time, peace, and hold
back. Together we explore what it
means to actually reap the fruits of your labour and why
adopting a Bitcoin standard is the ultimate way to stay
positive about the future. If you're enjoying my content,
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Thanks a lot. Now let's dive in to this
episode. All right, Gospel Drini.
Welcome back to Bitcoin for Millennial.
Thank you so much for having me brother.
I appreciate your time and I know it's hard to get some time
to do these because especially when you have children and and
jobs, you know, So thank you for having me.
Well, thanks again for, for coming on.
I, we talked, I don't know, probably 18 months ago or
something like that. And I, I really enjoyed our
conversation because I think, you know, you're an amazing
example of, of someone who is very hard working trying to
provide for his family and really found Bitcoin as a way to
protect yourself and your family and be positive about the
future, et cetera. So I'm very excited to, to kind
of like make a sequel on our, our, our previous conversation
because I learned some new stuff about you, you know, you, you
also post on X and like your thoughts on, on, on, on Bitcoin.
And I think it would be fun to kind of explore that together.
And like the, the biggest thing that you told me that you think
we are really, you know, on the brink of, let's say, a mass
awakening regarding Fiat money, right?
And so I wanted to ask you what, what does that look like?
Like, what is the tipping point, right?
I think for, for, for bitcoiners.
And you know, I talk about this a lot, right?
Like at 1 moment in time, we kind of like saw this, we're
curious enough, we dove in and then we kind of couldn't Unsee
it anymore, right? But as you probably also
experienced, when you start talking about this with other
people, they're they're not always, you know, reacting in a
in a similar way. So what do you think is needed
for people to actually understand?
Hey, there's really something going on with the money.
This morning I was pondering upon that and I, I've, I can't
help but notice that the, the banks and the major corporations
are, are front running the, you know, the everyday working class
for now. For now, you know, there's two
paths we could take. I think it will be the, the, the
first one, which is something's going to happen to Fiat.
It's going to collapse. And I mean by collapse is that
people will realize that America has so much debt.
And I never stopped posting about this on Instagram too.
They print money out of thin air.
They, they broke the gold peg in 1971.
The dollar is backed by nothing but oil.
And now with all this commotion, we'll see what happens.
But there will be a mass awakening for sure, especially
now that we have these, you know, the phones and everybody's
connected. So they'll know, you know,
they'll know. And Bitcoin is truth is
self-evident. You know, when people see it,
they're like, ah, there it is. And they study it and they can
tell from my everyday life when I talk to my friends and family,
I think maybe because they know me, but maybe not like most
people my age and younger, they've heard about Bitcoin.
So it's gonna eventually they'll connect the dots just like I
did, in my opinion. Yeah, I, I recently had a, had a
podcast with Brennan Quitam and we talked about, you know, he
did this research on like the personality types, right?
And I, I agree that, you know, it'll become more clear to more
people, at least I certainly hope so.
Right. But having kind of like the
motivation to actually dive into kind of think about like, what
can I do about it, right? Like that, that feels very
daunting, I think for a lot of people, right?
Or they just feel like, Hey, this is just by definition
something I cannot change, right?
There's other other people that are in control of that.
So I'm kind of putting my trust in, in them.
And I do think like with this issue, it, it is also quite
hard, right? Because with a lot of other
issues, that is still the case, right?
You just think like, Hey, I'm not, you know, it's just very
far from me, maybe doesn't affect me too much, right?
But with money, I think, you know, it would actually be way
more apparent that you actually have to figure something out.
But it still seems like, you know, the idea that, you know,
the bankers print we had money out of thin air is is is obvious
to us, but still dismissed by a lot of people that that is
actually the issue. Do you think that is like the
main thing or like the truth, like something that people need
to accept or is there is there something else?
Like what? What do you get in terms of
feedback when you try to talk to to others?
I think just like anything, it's like a slow realization.
You know, the thing that really captured me so quickly into
Bitcoin is that my curiosity, I've always been curious about
learning things about religions and dive deep into these
subjects and eventually it's going to be inevitable.
Like the thing with Vemo, like I was in the ambulance service
once and everybody was going to buy pizza and they were all
chipping in. I had no cash and my buddies
like, oh, just Vemo me, you know, I had no idea what them
was. And then he told me about it
and, and just I connected my bank account in minutes and sent
him 5 bucks and that was it. But I didn't know about Venmo
and just for overnight I knew about Femo.
It's going to be just like that with Bitcoin.
My opinion, I don't know if you know the Venmo, like PayPal,
cash app, it's all the applications we use here in
North America. Everybody has them and now they
see the ticker for Bitcoin is the first thing when when it
says crypto, I call it craptow, but it says Bitcoin and the
price is there. And now people are starting to
look more and more. And then they'll hear something
in TV and then a podcaster say this why?
So is what why it's so important that you can see now with
influencers, people who have millions, 10s of millions of
people, political pundits, podcasters, they talk about
Bitcoin here and there, you know, and then people are going
to start hearing Bitcoin more and more to the point that
everybody is aware. And then they'll see the
problem. They'll observe it.
They'll say, wait a minute, the America made gold illegal, you
know, in the 1930s, Executive Order 61-O2 and then 1971 Nixon
broke the gold peg. It's, it's going to connect.
And I do think that's the most important thing because if you
think about it, you're working so hard, man.
Everybody here is working. Everybody in the world, you
know, especially the third world.
Can you imagine making a dollar a day for America to just Sprint
the, the, And I think Europe does that too, in a way for
other countries. It has a huge influence.
Europe is very powerful, but they just print the money that
everybody has to use. No one questions it.
But eventually they're going to say, wait a minute, what is
this? What's going on here?
Like stake is like 10 times what it used to be.
You know, right now it's like double the price.
But eventually it gets worse and worse.
And now Americans are starting to feel how the third world has
always felt, which is price increases in Argentina,
Venezuela. Everyone's used to it,
unfortunately, right? You see the, the the, the
Bitcoin price in their Fiat currency.
It's ridiculous through the roof.
The dollar is going to be a slower rise, but still it's
going to climb. You know, people get annoyed.
I don't even look at prices these days.
Bitcoin is going to be the world's unit of account.
I just, I just DCA buy Bitcoin and wait and you know, people
eventually are going to Bitcoin doesn't do anything until it
does, right. Remember that the rallies in
2023-2024, you saw 3033, 3035, you know, 3540, it kept going up
and up. That's what's going to happen.
You know, especially now with we keep forgetting that the
institutions are here and the banks are here and not only the,
the ETFs and, and not to mention, of course, the, the
Bitcoin ETF from BlackRock was the most successful ETF in
American history, possibly in the world history, but I don't
know much of world history. And eventually all these banks,
they're all interconnected and they all know each other.
They all owe each other our own each other and they're all the
people it's going to trick hole down and it's going to be of
course, grassroots from us. That's why, like you say you're
worried sometimes, You know, you said it's kind of concerning
that people don't seem to be carrying as much, but because of
people like us, and I'm not toot my own horn, but we are like you
see the guys on Twitter X, it's grown everyday, dude.
I don't know where these people come from.
People I didn't even know. You know, there's the old
accounts that follow you that you interact with and then more
start popping up and you're like, oh, nice, more people are
joining. Oh, Class of 2025, Class of
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We just don't see it because it's the grand, grand scheme of
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you share a lot about. You know how how Fiat money
makes people very nihilistic and depressed, right?
I also see it, I don't see it a lot, but I also think that a lot
of people just don't talk about money, right?
Or what their relationship with money is or how it's going and
stuff like that, right? What?
What have you. Seen and and yeah, maybe you can
share like your your thoughts on this, why you think this
happens. But also, yeah, like what have
you seen? And, you know, with the, with
the people, you know, you maybe love, you know, you try to, you
know, tell them about this, but you know, they just have a hard
time seeing it. Well, thank you, you clearly
I've seen my my posts on X because that's exactly what I
point out. You know, Fiat makes us
nihilistic and it's a big problem.
You know, people are not getting married anymore, they're not
having children. They're worried about the
future. And every single like
influencer, political pundit, I mean, you name it, like big, big
voices, Alex Jones and there are so many others.
You know, this is just one example because he's got 10s of
millions of viewers and the nihilism is palpable.
And here you can tell with American United States stats,
everybody is in huge credit card debt.
That's why they don't like talking about money, you know,
and once and I think that people are coming to realization they
need self responsibility and they're looking more into why
the boomers are so rich and why the their asset valuation
exploded. It's basically because the Fed
has been printing the money out of the there from 1971, right?
WCF happened 1971.com and everybody's the older
generation's assets are all going up, exploding in value and
they're stuck with extremely high prices with no assets.
You know, some of them have a small savings here and there,
but they're going to notice you know, especially when they watch
Bitcoin go hit 250,300 thousand it's it's inevitable because
they're going to print more money.
They're going to have to print even more money.
If you, if you really want to see it, for example, for people
is the our interest on the debt alone, it's going to hit 1.2
trillion. At least it's projected to to
hit 1.2 trillion this year alone.
Last year, I think it we capped out at almost a three a
trillion. Depends who you ask who's
looking at the stats, but and it's going to be more and more
because what was it by 2050 we're projected to hit 100
trillion, you know, which is a ridiculous amount of debt and it
they just keep kicking the can down the road that the reason
why Bitcoin is inevitable is because they keep kicking that
can down the road. Yes, they'll use, you know what
you will call it stable coins, because now it's with the
clarity Act stable coins are going to basically be fully
legalized. And also the good thing about
the clarity Act, I've haven't had read it thoroughly, but had
Chachi PT basically make the the main points and summaries about
Bitcoin and it because not that we need it.
Of course it's it's free speech First Amendment, but it it
basically puts into law, it codifies into law that your
right to self custody is like it's, it's your absolute First
Amendment right. So that's going to be good.
I hope that passes. I'm watching that very closely
and people eventually are going to watch the Bitcoin price go up
high. Like I said in demo cash at
PayPal, everybody has that. You're one of those.
They every American, especially in our Asian under, they're
always watching the ticker there.
Then no matter what, it's always going to be in their faces.
And as more and more people adopt, and I think it's going to
be a meeting, people say it's going to be grassroots.
Some people say it's going to be institutional.
I think we're just kind of come right Midway, you know, and it
sounds crazy. It sounded crazy that the Wright
brothers flew. Oh, a New York Times posted,
humans won't fly for a million years.
Five years later, the Wright brothers flew for the first
time. 10 years later, there was like planes and jets and, and,
you know, in, in wars, God forbid.
But unfortunately, that's what it is.
It's just going to take a long time.
But therefore, you know, I I also think that stories also
like yours because there's something else that I really
love and basically also how you live your life, right?
Like that is an example for other people, you know, even
though, you know, you told me like, yeah, you're working 60
hours a week, right? But I think that you also
experienced like a big shift in, in being, you know, having it
more peaceful and feeling more fulfilled, right?
I think you you have a soccer team of kids.
Right. You know, and this all came to
you when you actually grasped Bitcoin.
So could you maybe explain like what kind of relief, like
psychological relief you felt, You know, simply by changing the
way you, you save? Well, it's knowing that I have
my time back. Once I realized what the
banksters were doing, I was, you know, I was livid.
I was really angry and it just made me more nihilistic.
And of course, every time I, if I'm depressed, if I'm sad during
the day, it happens. We're humans.
I remember, Oh yeah, there's Bitcoin when people truly
understand what Bitcoin is and I, it seems like I'm a broken
record, but it's true. When people see what Bitcoin is
the hope that that it provides, because now all of a sudden
you're working and yes, you're earning the the Fiat bucks, but
then you immediately DC into Bitcoin and you watch that those
stats grow and you know that eventually bitcoin's going to
keep doing NGU thing as it has always done.
That's the thing that it does. You know, the hash rate goes up,
the price goes up to have any happens.
It almost double S in price. It's going to keep happening
every four years, presidents come, presidents go and it it
gives me hope, especially for the general society that in
America now the Bitcoin and and unfortunately, crypto or crapto
in general is now being more spoken about in the open
political debate. So now it's letting the culture
know that people know that the average Joe who maybe has a
corporate job and is afraid to speak, speak up.
Like you said, you know, they're more reserved because they don't
want to say the wrong thing because they really want the
promotion, you know, and you don't know if the boss likes
Bitcoin or not. Well, now with all the
politicians talking about it, they, you know, even the bosses
are going to be talking about it.
So eventually Bitcoin, if you will, Bitcoin will be more and
more politically correct. You know, it was a cypherpunk
underground thing. It grew naturally with
Immaculate Conception, the Rock Solid Foundation, and now it is
just poised to be the world reserve currency.
I spent my day thinking about that.
And I think when people get that feeling, you know, when you work
hard and you're actually reaping the fruit of your labor and that
it's going to go up in value over time, that everyone is
going to get into Bitcoin and that there won't be an option.
Maybe the older generations won't be as much into Bitcoin,
but you see boomers all the time in Bitcoin.
I love Lawrence Lapard. He's imagine how many people his
orange bill, you know, Jeff Booth, he he had a massive value
following it before Bitcoin with a, you know, a bunch of people
in the, in the business world, financial world.
He brought a lot of people into Bitcoin and those people will
bear fruit. Just you know, those people will
talk more about Bitcoin and and want to spend the Bitcoin.
That's why I always nowadays in my day-to-day life, be the
change you want to be in the world.
I always ask, hey, do you take Bitcoin?
Oh, OK, no biggie. Don't take that's fine.
You know, can I be in Bitcoin? You know, I accept Bitcoin.
I just I changed the protocols of the company today and I
clarified, I put in a for for our SSO PS standard operating
procedures. I put in the the our Bitcoin
lightning address. So you know, whenever someone,
now we have 2 girls in the office all the time besides my
mom and my wife, they will now have our address to charge the
40% deposit, you know, beforehand before we start the
job. And so I think it's going to be
more and more, I'm very hopeful. You know, Bitcoin will give
humanity that hope and I mean humanity because the third
world's suffering more than we are.
People wonder why do people just walk here, get on boats and go
to Europe? You know, I'm an Italian
citizen. I'm an European.
You are an European citizen too, right?
Yeah. So I'm sure you sometimes hear
it on the news. Just people get on boats and
just go, of course it's it's wrong because people are putting
their children in danger. But we have the money printers.
People are just doing what people do.
They they want a better future in a in a safer society.
We should be flattered. We form beautiful societies.
And in the end of the day, it's not really fair that America
prints the money the world has to use.
And then we use that to, you know, the banks just use that to
buy politicians to do their bidding.
And eventually people, you see that cycle that Thomas Vassey
just lost at the Senate race. And now people are more
frustrated. So now I get the opportunity to
like, go on these, even though I'm not political at all.
And I don't get into politics, but I go in these politics X
accounts and I just hate Bitcoin fixes this.
Bitcoin separates money and say I sow the seeds.
You know, I'm always sowing seeds everywhere in every aspect
of life. But people are seeing it more
and more. You can't vote your way out of
this, could you? Potentially if you have a big
large enough number like let's say we have 50 million
eventually Bitcoin maximal is God willing.
Now all the sudden you can sway elections and you can see when
Trump endorsed Bitcoin in the Bitcoin conference, all
Bitcoiner bitcoiners eyes and crypto people eyes were on that
stage. And just you could see the the
poll numbers for Trump going up like as he spoke.
You could see it, you know. So now the politicians are
aware, you know, if I don't like this Bitcoin thing, I really
won't have a big part of the young population voting for me.
Yeah. So funny, right, that Elizabeth
Warren and and like almost straight reaction was like I'm
building an anti crypto army, right.
It's just like she she doesn't she doesn't even know why.
She just hates everything. That's not everyone that's not
thinking like her, right. So you know, if this person is
pro, I'm anti this. Yeah, I also do feel, you know,
like once you really get deep into Bitcoin, you also create
this skill or acquire a skill that you know, helps you to kind
of like zoom out more and kind of like see what you what
you've. Said this before, yeah, you've
said this before, and it's true, I think.
That makes it also a bit more peaceful, like you're less hung
up on all the politics stuff and whatever because you just
understand it's it's just a messed up game.
I went back. On our podcast and listened to
that and it took me a couple listens.
I, I listened to our podcast sometimes and you know, mine and
Robbins and mine just to see what I can do better and maybe
ponder more about and talk about.
But you said that and I and it stuck with me, man.
Like when I'm working out or working, I'm like, what do you
mean by that? Is it an acquired skill or an
innate thing, right? Nature versus nurture thing and
I I'm beginning to think it is a skill and I think every person
is able to do it somewhat more than others maybe if you will,
but it it absolutely I I love that that's true well, or.
Maybe it is actually an innate thing and you know, the whole
Fiat money paradigm actually makes you, you know, because
it's so unpredictable. I love that idea, right where,
you know, Bitcoin is a very clear, absolute unchangeable
truth that just constantly gets added to, right?
And Fiat money is just pure chaos, right?
Like it's, it's, it's a variable, but it's manipulated.
It's changing all the time, right?
So it's changing chaos in different ways in your life, but
it also gives you this maybe this idea that you need to pay
attention to everything, right? Or it actually makes you pay
attention to everything. So you don't pay attention to
the actual, to the actual thing you should pay attention to,
which is the the corruption of the of the money, right.
So yeah, how do you recognize that?
And maybe also like how, how did your world view kind of change
or your behaviour when you actually started aligning with
Bitcoin and decided like, OK, you know, I'm going to, I'm
going to save in this thing for myself and, and my, and my
family, No. It's come, it comes back to
deferred gratification, right? The Bitcoiners like to call it
low time preference versus high time preference low.
I've always called it deferred gratification.
You know, there are studies about on children about this,
that some children or most children will choose like it.
They can either take a marshmallow now exactly.
And but you tell them and that's that shows the humanity.
You tell them, listen, you can wait a couple hours.
Don't have the marshmallow. I'll give you 4 more, right?
I forgot the exact numbers. And a lot of kids will wait.
They'll do the deferred gratification thing.
But why are we not doing it now? It's because of Fiat.
Fiat has the incent, like you said, chaotics.
And I was going to say something, but I'm always
careful with my language to not, you know, screw up people's
YouTube channel, the sheer pain and hurt that Fiat is causing.
You know, I never like to blame that group of people or this
group of people. It's a system.
It's, it's an embedded environment that we've, we've
create as humans created around this thing, around this money
printer. And everything flows from there.
A centralized monster. Bitcoin is like it's like a
godly decentralized Angel giving power back to the people.
So when people it's like a kid, I remember what my my Italian
grandma used to, you know, yell at me in Italian and she used to
to iron her clothing and she left the iron her on.
I think she turned off, but it's still hot.
I was like, I must have been, I still remember this.
I swear to God, I was. I must have been like four or
five. I remembered it because they put
my hand on the I'm like, oh, so pretty, you know, she wasn't in
the room and I burned my hand. I'm like, ah, you know,
immediately your brains like, stop.
You know, when people get familiar with Bitcoin, This is
why I love what you're doing, what Paul is doing, what Robin
is doing. There's not enough Bitcoin
podcasts and it's, it's really selfless.
You're taking your time to, to educate people and it does.
That's why I always write comment, fam, like subscribe,
comment, give them a like, share with people, clip it, put it up
because the algorithms do get triggered.
And then it, it's, you're basically doing Bitcoin
evangelism through social media. It does because everybody's like
on social media now and people will discover what Bitcoin is
and they'll say, do I want to burn my hand on Fiat and suffer
in pain for the rest of eternity?
Or do I want to see this thing here?
That's a bright orange future. Humans are going to choose the
most, you know, the least pain possible because it's a signal.
It's a little evolutionary signaling for, for your, you
know, your whole body, your nervous system is completely
interconnected with your body directly to your brain.
And people are, I'd like to say people are smart, man.
We don't give credit. And I mean everybody like we
Bitcoiners, we don't give people enough credit.
You know, eventually they'll see they just haven't gotten the
chance. Like when I was in the pizzeria
in 2013, I like to tell the story.
I was, I came out, I was just sweating, making pizzas, you
know, my boss yelling in Greek. And then I come out to the bar
area and I see in TV Bitcoin. Is this something?
Is it a scam? I still forgot the exact
language, but I'm like Bitcoin. Interesting.
A digital currency. That makes sense.
I took my water and walked away. The worst mistake of my life,
right? I mean, I should say I guess it,
I guess so. But the the worst financial
mistake of my life. But then you see that seed got
planted. And then when I downloaded Robin
Hood with my friends in 2021, shout out to Diogo.
My childhood friend Ivan came over, his brother came over.
Well, had a BBQ, was a nice family, our friend gathering
from childhood and we promised to each other we're going to
just buy $100.00 of stocks every every week.
And then I saw this thing go boom.
It just Bitcoin doing what it does from like I forgot 10,000
to like 64,000. I watched it.
I watched it do that, you know from the beginning of 2021 to
through like April and May. That was the all time high I
believe and it was like 64,000 like oh, what is this?
Oh, I remember this. I heard that in the beat area I
bought 100 bucks and then I watched the dip and then I think
with the number go up technology and it is a sort of a side
effect or, or a small part of, you know, the Bitcoin iceberg is
just the thing sticking out of the water is the price because
it's what people talk about the most.
And I, I would say unfortunately, but not really
because it is a like a, a health indicator, but under that is
like freedom, happiness, you know, hope it your, your money
and time is back to your family instead of the banks are
sprinting it and inflating it away.
So I think people will get the hand off the hot stove or the
hot ironing thing and go, all right, let's go to Bitcoin.
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takes time. And I think you're spot on in
terms of like the podcasts and there's not enough podcasts,
right? We just have to make like so
many possible touch points told by so many different people in
so many different ways, right? That it will also actually reach
so many different people in so many different ways, right?
Like how I talk about it is not how you talk about it, right?
And you will touch other people than than than I do.
And that's an that's an amazing thing.
And the fun part is actually that everyone is in that sense
working for Bitcoin right in, in, in any capacity.
And so that that that by itself, I think is extremely
interesting, right? I wonder, you know, the only
other topic I, I once had this conversation, actually, the only
other topic where this is the same thing is with like
religion, right? It's kind of like a
decentralized thing. Like, you know, there, there
there's a pastor in Sydney talking about something, you
know, and there's one in Nairobi or whatever, right?
And they don't really know each other, but they're bounded by
this thing that they feel like they should contribute to any
and, and, and evangelize, right? I, I think that's the only thing
like I, I don't think there's a topic in the, I don't know for,
for people that love horses or or even cars.
Or whatever, right? Like where there's such?
Such a. Decentralized way of how people
organize and talk about it and try to educate and and stuff
like that. So yeah, I find it, I find it
very, very fascinating. And I also love that there's
also actually a lot of gens ears that are into Bitcoin and and,
and really see that, right, like I have, I have, I have huge.
I'm very happy for like 50% of them.
I think it's like 5050 in the Gen.
C, right? It's like 50% is like, you know,
F all of this old stuff. I'm going to figure out how the
world works. You know, I'm going to make a
direction. I'm going to, you know, think
for myself and do my own stuff. And, and the other half is just
very nihilistic, right? They kind of gave up.
Like, you know, it's all messed up.
And Oh yeah, that's something that I also wanted to say.
You, you, you said nihilistic, you know, you mentioned Alex
Jones. I, I think that there's so many
people that are very smart that, you know, go really deep in all
of these rabbit holes, try to figure out how the world works.
But then they still dismiss Bitcoin, right?
They they are so black built that they cannot see any any
option of any hope or any light right that could give them some
direction towards the future. That that I also find a pity.
Actually, there's many of of those types of people I.
Think that it's a lack of having it in front of them.
You know, if it's if we put it in front of them, it's like a a
beautiful hot meal with a beautiful cup of water.
When you're in a lost in the desert, all the sudden this guy
comes to save you. He puts a table in front.
Your team made it. You know.
Oh my God, that is no, But you know what it was like?
That's where. They end up then right, because
it must be. A bad.
Thing too, because everything is so fucked up and that that that
that it keeps them from actually being curious enough and that.
Reminds me, right? Yeah, that.
That that reminds me. My.
People perish for a lack of knowledge.
You know, God says that my people perish for a lack of
knowledge. So people don't understand, you
know, they come to presumptuous false conclusions from, you
know, regurgitated, vomited things that a dude said once, Oh
yeah, Bitcoin Epstein made it. And they connect the dots and
forget about it. You know, that's why I think
they need to see some world changing event such as the Fiat
system. You know, it's not going to
collapse overnight like Lynn Alden says.
It's, it's like a, a transition, but it, it's going to be visible
and palpable to people to, to notice the changes, you know,
and as the younger generation comes in, you see the, the
transaction volume goes up and it is going up.
If you look back, you know, I just saw one of my memes today.
I was messy my old computer and it's a mean from 2023, Bitcoin
was 9 trillion transactions, $9 trillion in transactions for the
year of 2022 or 2023. And that that has gone up.
And you can see the numbers go up and the health indicators
going up. And once I believe, once they
see it, they'll say, oh, you know what?
They'll they'll connect different dots, they'll see it
in a different light. That's why it's so important for
us to never stop talking about it because eventually, yeah, I
might just have 20,000 followers.
But you know, you, a guy's going to hear you say, a guy with
100,000 followers going to hear you say something enlightening
like you do because you met, you mix and synthesize philosophy
with Bitcoin and psychology and lifestyle and wisdom you've
acquired naturally. And people see that's genuine
and people connect different dots.
They're like, oh, wait a minute. So it's decentralized.
Oh, Jeffrey Epstein just funded a couple of core devs in 2011.
Well, that has nothing to do with the, with the, you know,
with the control of Bitcoin, because that's impossible to do
you. It's a decentralized worldwide
protocol. That's why I always put my
Instagram channel too. I put a meme with explaining
what Bitcoin is briefly short because people have a short
attention span. So it's like a sentence or two
Bitcoin, you know, peer-to-peer worldwide distributed Ledger,
you know, and people eventually you do plant the seeds.
It seems like it's like because the price is down, so the
sentiment you can feel an X, it's kind of down.
That's why I don't even look at price anymore.
I just know the price down because somebody posted it on X.
But eventually when Bitcoin does it's number go up thing which it
will happen and and we might have some catastrophic Black
Swan event before them. But Bitcoin remains the same,
right? It doesn't change with the the
price downtrend. It's because there's war here
and there's rumors of war there and there is an oil issue in
the, in the whatever Butch McCall that the Iran thing that
people can't go by, you know, the Strait of Hormuz or
whatever. But then that passes away.
You know, that passes, that goes by like a storm and then Bitcoin
does its thing again and then the halving happens.
It's two years away. I'm counting the blocks in my
other computer. And then the price, of course,
almost double S. You know, this happened a little
bit before the halving this time around in 2024, it was like
April, I believe that the price or sorry, the halving was from
2024 April. But before that, in 2023, at the
end of 23, it just boom skyrocketed, you know, and then
the having didn't do much and we hit $126,000.
But that's really nothing. And people are going to trade
it. It's going to be volatile, you
know, and more and more people are seeing what Michael Saylor
is doing. Not only Saylor, but other
institutions. Oh, Bank of America is talking
about it. Fidelity has an ETF on it.
You know, more and more institutions and people see that
these institutions are green lighting everything.
It becomes like a so we're social creature, right?
It becomes politically correct. Or, you know, if, if a lot of
people like you, people will say, Oh, I like this guy too
because of this social influence.
People are going to do that about Bitcoin.
Oh, wow, this so so this guy likes Bitcoin.
Oh, I like this guy. So I'm going to study this and
it's just going to be a, a ever spreading thing, you know, like
the the washing machines and the dryers.
It took the same amount of time to go from zero to 10%, right?
Let's say it took 2025 thirty years took 30 years to go from
zero to 10%. It's going to take another 30
years to go from 10 to 90% of world adoption.
So that the first half takes the same amount of time to the
second, except that the second-half is completely
exponential. And we're going to see it.
We're going to be like, whoa, it's going to be euphoric.
But we need to remember, we need to education, you know, for the
general Bitcoin community, we need to stay humbles to excess
still, but also educate the people on what it is.
This is the moment we come in. Everybody's curious.
We we feed them, you know, good, good food, you know, in a way to
to describe to them that it's only Bitcoin crap toes are
really dangerous. You're going to get burned.
I got burned in 2022. And so people are going to more
and more come to Bitcoin and realize that that's, you know,
that positive thing that's going to make their life better and
it's going to improve their psychology, you know?
So when we when we think about the future, right, like one
thing you're doing as well, you're paying your oldest kid in
Bitcoin for doing chores, chores.
I absolutely love that. So if we Fast forward to the
future, how do you think, you know, kids growing up now that
grow up in a world where Bitcoin just exists, right?
You know, maybe in in your kids case, you know, they already
earned it for doing these chores.
What do you think the world looks like for them?
You know, like how do you think they will think about work or
value or or even central authority, right?
Like do do you think we could actually already have an impact
on how our kids experience the world?
Or do you think it'll take longer?
Interesting. Question.
Yeah, Yeah, that paradigm is definitely going to change.
You know, the, the threshold, the the, what you will call it
the, the window. What is it that you know that
it's good at? The paradigm will change.
And like Sailor says, funeral, I'm sorry.
Innovation moves one funeral at the time.
And the young people, as always, in touch with technology.
My daughter did something, the tablet I couldn't even dream of.
Like she's just, she's in tune with their computer and she
knows what to do. And, you know, we we do, we do
fun games together. And I think it's going to be
natural, you know, the way though experienced the word.
That's a great question, man. I've never, I'm going to ponder
over that, you know, in the next few weeks.
And I'm going to think about how the world will be for them,
what, what their experience will be.
I think Fiat is still going to be a thing because I think
government tokens are maybe always going to be around and
maybe our lifetime. But then again, I don't know.
Remember, like the Wright brothers flew after New York
Times said that humans won't fly for a million years.
So you never know, but one thing that I, I, I am so positive, I
shouldn't say I know this for a fact, but I am so positive that
we are going to see a Fiat collapse.
And it's going to be like a worldwide thing, especially
North America and Europe. And then it's going to spread
and people are going to realize that Fiat system is a bankster
racket because it's what it is. I'm not making things up, you
know, if, if the banksters won't assume me, let's go, let's go to
discovery, you know, because then people are going to, it's
going to bring more attention to that, you know, and people, and
they don't want to do that because they don't want to
expose their racket because they like it.
You know, they get to, they print the money, bribe the
politicians. And it's a private, the Federal
Reserve is a private institution.
They don't have any reserves. They're not federal entity.
The founding fathers fought vehemently against the central
bank. And then the, the second attempt
at the central bank was under Andrew Jackson.
And he, that's when he called you are a den of Vipers and
thieves, specifically for the guy and his friends trying to
institute a central bank in America.
He called them a den of Vipers and thieves.
And then he put them in jail, right?
And people forget that because for some reason you don't learn
that in school. And then of course, the third
attempt for some reason, right? We know that these people have
so much power and they, they knew what they were doing.
It's not an accident like people say, oh, you know, it's just the
Fiat system naturally arose. Yeah, but it was backed by gold.
I could go with a gold paper into the bank and give them, you
know, oh, can I have this is the my gold certificate?
Can I have miles of gold? OK, thank you.
All right. I'm going to go to Italy.
Italy now with my gold. You can't do that.
And even a fractional reserve like $1.00 has 10 owners.
It used to be, you know, the the opposite.
At least it was somewhat, you know, regular or more logical.
And now how can $1.00 have 10 owners?
That's why when there's bank runs, the banks run out of cash.
And then they, of course they, they look to the FDIC, you know,
FDIC insures depositors for a hundred $250,000.
You know what happens to people who have more than that?
Of course they keep their money in assets, but general working
class suffer and they, they're scared and they don't know
what's going on because they don't study it.
That's where we come in, you know, just explain to them what
it is and Bitcoin, there is no, there is no day off, there's no
holiday. It's 24/7.
Doesn't matter if it's a Sunday at 2:00 AM.
You can perform your transaction and you can see those things.
Like some people knew that Amazon was going to be something
when it was trading at $1.90. And people are like, what is
this? They're selling books.
What a crappy. But then some people are like,
wait a minute, that could have potential to be to change
commerce and how everything is digitized.
They they saw the future basically not they saw the
future, but they saw the patterns that were going to lead
us because everything was becoming digitized.
They saw it. Blockbuster dying.
Yeah, yeah. Fully agree.
Yeah. What I what I really like is
that a lot of this stuff already happened before.
I love what you said about, you know, some people think, you
know, this form of money is where we ended up in a very
organic way, right? This is the best form of money
that that we can probably have. The crazy thing is that this is
like the youngest form of money that that that has existed,
right? Isn't that insane?
That's one. That's crazy.
You know, if you're millennials younger than your parents,
right, which, which is a is a, is a wild fought, but you know,
the field enchantment is just so big, right?
And you know, especially in the Western country, I think, you
know, you just have high trust toward the government because,
you know, 80s and 90s were great.
You know, growing up in the 80s and 90s as a, as a millennial,
for example, was, was great. So you know, and everything
worked and you went to the store and you use the money and you
know, you got a bread or whatever you bought like it just
it just worked, right. So why would you even start
doubting that, right? Like that said, that's quite a
dumer thing to do, right? That that's what a lot of people
it was peak. Fiat, right?
It was the, it was the pinnacle of the Fiat world where they
were actually it, it was when they started borrowing money,
you know, and that reminds me, Clinton balanced the books.
We had $0.00 of debt. It's when the that's crazy, by
the way. It's when the it's.
When the not a lot of people know that it's it's when the
scam began in 1970s and then they were reaping the the
benefits. But it it's a very shallow thing
because it's a scam. In the end, scams fall because
truth comes out and Bitcoin is the immutable truth.
It really does connect. It seems like it seems like it's
something woo, but it's not. It's it's a literal truth that's
embedded in the Ledger. It's not changeable by anyone
and it's a governed and in a decentralized way by by a
protocol like a rules without rulers.
You know, people don't know that I'm going to clip this rules
without rulers and it, it gives the power back to the people.
It gives the money back to the people.
It's, it's impossible to stop. You know, it's something that's
going to be, it's going to, I have full conviction that it's
going to happen in the next 10 to 30 years.
Yeah, I I agree. The what I wanted to say, I
love, I love that I thought about this before, like in in
the early days of the Fiat money system, right.
I think that's where the most benefit was, right?
Like the most gains were made in the beginning, right?
Let's say 71 to 81, let's say the first decade, right?
So if you were either the government, right, or close to
the government or in the finance or whatever like that, that was
the kind of like time where you could really, really profit from
it, right? Because you're creating
productivity and capital from nothing, but I think for most.
People. The the, the, the, the, the
majority of the population. It's what you said, right?
Like 989990, you know, 95 to 99 is like peak or maybe late 80s
also, right? Like that was like peak Fiat.
Experience. For the majority of people.
And you can see what happened in 2008.
Absolutely food. Wise travel, yeah, like all that
all that stuff right like and then you you.
Get to the 2000s and people, you know, the, the, the economists
are, you know, the libertarians are saying, hey, this isn't
sustainable. We're gathering a lot of debt.
2008 We know what happened. The great financial crisis.
Is a is a symptom, I would say of of, of Fiat money, right, But
Fiat money kind of like fuels this, right, because the whole
fee C game is peak Fiat money game, right.
It's like it's like when you're AVC, you're probably like layer
5 in some sort of money scheme, like where the actual money
originated from, right. Someone with, you know, multi
100 billion says, you know, hey, you know, I think this guy can
allocate, you know, this portion of money and then that guy
thinks, well, you know, I'm putting it with these guys to
allocate it and etcetera, right. So it's kind of how how the VC
game is. But ithinkthe.com bubble is a
symptom of that 2008, you know, even even more.
And I think it's, it's very easy to argue that it never finished
or it was never fixed, right like that.
And. That's the fire I'm talking
about. That fire is like a wild forest
fire and it just burns everything in its back and
people suffer and it hurts and a lot of people lose houses and
business and jobs. But out of those ashes rises a
phoenix that gives everybody hope.
It's some some myths are like timeless, you know, like
Prometheus giving us fire and the phoenix rising from the
ashes out. This is why Bitcoin gives me
hope, gives the world hope because it's a brighter future,
because it Bitcoin doesn't give you problem, problem, problem
like we were talking about the problem right now to give the
people the solution. And Bitcoin is that solution.
It's the solution to not all the problems of life.
Of course, if you're a criminal, if you're robbing, if you're you
know you got you got more soul searching to do, but if you're
average Joe, most people are good people.
All of a sudden you have this option that will improve most
things in your life. Now you're working, you're
applying yourself, and you're getting the creeps of your
labor. You're reaping the fruit of your
labor. There's.
Centralized. Control over the money and
therefore centralized control over your life.
You're basically enslaved in a financial way.
OK, messed up realization, right?
Like that is it that is a multi messed up realization, you know,
with multiple levels. And a lot of people just don't
want to believe that although, and this is I think the
surprising part, right? Like, so for people that know me
in real life and for people that know you in real life, right?
It is just so simple to just dismiss it and be like, you
know, he's talking crazy stuff or conspiracy stuff or what a
doomer or whatever, right? And so I just wonder like how
you, how you experienced that? Because I'm just thinking.
I'm just thinking, you know, well, I'm just thinking.
I'm just thinking, right? I'm just trying to figure.
And it's for for. Myself and exactly I.
Ended up absolutely. And it's funny because every 10
people I mentioned Bitcoin or talk about Bitcoin too.
And it usually, you know, there's a, there's a lead upon
that. You know, there's not what you
know, there's not. You don't go straight to people
and talk about Bitcoin. Usually you know, you're talking
about life and then you might finances might pop up in the
conversation and then you talk about investments.
I always found the path, you know, I'm good with that.
I find a path to talk to, to people with and every 10 people
they talk to, I find that one of them gets orange peeled.
You were of course planting 8 seeds.
You know, maybe two of those seeds you're going to die.
And then one of the guys that you talk to or gals, they're
going to do the research. And I'm very happy to say that
one of my Co workers is in my department in Costco.
He is, he is into it. He's orange build and he's
buying Bitcoin. He is very neat kid.
He's 22 and he's just got his ducks in a row.
Like I'm so like, I'm kind of proud of this kid.
I don't, you know, I've known him for like a year or so and
he's just such a great example to be followed because he's open
minded. He doesn't come to presumptuous
conclusions. And then we heard about Bitcoin.
I gave him the book, the, the big print.
And then now all of a sudden he knows what the Federal Reserve
is. He knows that they print money
out of thin air. And he's telling people this now
like he won't stop talking about, you know, like how
Bitcoin is fixing society and his splint is to slowly allocate
up Bitcoin. But he's, his portfolio is like
5% now, you know, this kid might seem like maybe a small example,
but he is going to, he's a very good kid.
I know he's going to meet many more people in his life and he's
going to share that message. You know, he's going to say when
that conversation comes up in other groups of people, hey, you
know what? Bitcoin fixes this.
And that's, that's the grassroot part of it.
Society needs a better money. Everybody is affected by this.
Like you said, every single aspect of life is affected by
this. And people just they, they will
come to this conclusion naturally.
I give people more credit. They will come to this
conclusion through, you know, the culture, the politics, you
know, the media, everything, especially the podcasts.
You know, podcasts are it's the biggest thing now.
Everybody listens to a podcast. You know, if you ask, at least
in North America, you guys, oh, we're into podcasts.
Oh, yeah, of course. What, what podcast to listen to?
He'll tell you, Joe Rogan, you know, Alex Jones, you know, all
this stuff. And Alex, everything
interconnects with Bitcoin. If you remember, Alex Jones was
gifted, what, 50,000 Bitcoin or something?
Or 10,000 Bitcoin by Yeah Max Kaiser.
Yeah, isn't that. Insane and he's just lost it
right and he his financial life would be fixed right now he had
some issues but that's just one small example of of a multitude
of influencers you know and the world's grow more connected and
they're they're going to come to the truth they will when.
Eventually the Fiat system fails right?
And it's fractures, it's going to be super painful for people
that are holding the bag in whatever way, right?
It's not only going to be holding cash and stuff.
So how do you think we should or could balance the kind of like I
told you so that we maybe want to say it right with with the
empathy? That is also.
Required to actually still get these people on board with, you
know, even just the ideas of hard money, separation of money
and state stuff, stuff like that, right?
Because honestly, I think the the vindication that I'm going
to feel is going to be tremendous, right?
But. Only because that will be the
actual proof that it was a good thing to trust myself.
Absolutely. Like reality, what it's, it's,
it sets in, you know, it sets in.
So I love what, you know, I just had a little bit of an epiphany
that, you know, Bitcoiners keep saying this.
I sometimes you understand why. Stay humble sex sets.
We're training ourselves for
when this Fiat collapse happens and everybody's hurting to stay
humble and be like, hey, have you tried this?
You know, this. And it's going to click like
that for them because remember, they, they heard about Bitcoin
here and there from friends, coworkers, TV media, podcaster,
social influencers, and the dots are just going to connect in the
end. It's, it's like when the iPhone
came out or the smartphones came out, I did not want one for some
reason. I was just like that.
I don't need that. I had a flip phone, you know,
and it was 2015 and then all of a sudden I had to get rid of my
flip phone because it broke. And I'm like, you know, I'm just
going to get a smartphone. I'm like, man, why didn't I get
this before? It's so good, you know, And it
is because you can organize your life.
There's so many applications that you can apply to your life.
People don't realize how useful it is.
You know, some people say, oh, it's very bad.
Not necessarily depends what tools you're using.
You know, the Internet was around then.
Some people were doing bad things with it.
Some people, most people were doing good things with it.
And now that everything is online, you know, work,
commerce, relationships, gaming, everybody's online.
I, I just, it, it blows my mind that people don't realize that
literally everybody's online. Everybody's online, whether
they're gaming, buying things in Amazon, you know, commerce
relationship, people are meeting their spouses online.
Eventually that Bitcoin dot comes in.
That's why I say Bitcoin is swallowing the globe hole.
It's just going to be something that sets in like a like a a
square peg in a square slot. It just it's going to be like a
glove. And then we stay humble stack
sats and tell people, hey, you know, this is I've been doing
this for a while. If you have any questions, you
know, come to me and I can, I always point people up to our
podcast, to Robin podcast and you know, they might not
necessarily relate to my life experience.
But then you have of, you know, a different podcast, Gaston and
some person likes that guy because they do pretty much the
same lifestyle. And it might be, you know,
attractive to some Christian bitcoiners with a large family
and or immigrants or whatever. You know, it's it's amazing how
everything interconnects, you know, and, and humanity is just
one big family and if it's coming together, you can see
that you can see that through through everything is online
now. It's amazing that people don't
it just blows my mind. People don't realize that that
life is going to be online. It's just going to get more and
more too. I.
Agree. All right, to to wrap up, what
is one thing someone listening a millennial listening to this
right now you think needs to do today to protect their energy
and time before you know this mass awakening to Fiat money
actually hits and you cannot say study Bitcoin.
Yeah, interesting. Spend less than you than you
earn, you know, have a surplus and that's and surround yourself
with with people who are like minded.
And if you don't have good, not good, I should say bad people
around you, but people who don't have that flourishing mentality,
that mentality to to prosper and thrive in life.
And anything that you do, be it physically, emotionally,
psychologically, everything connects.
Surround yourself with those people.
You know, this is part of why I love the Bitcoin community.
Everyone's working out, eating healthy, you know, they,
they're, they're inspiring me. You know, I got to 250 lbs and
actually 255 lbs and I'm like, dude, you're like I told myself
in the mirror, you're not going to let yeah, you're going to
live, right? You're, you have a baby boy like
he's 8 months. You, you know, like I had a once
one with myself and I took a picture in the mirror post it
just to shame myself, you know, because there needs to be like a
trigger, you know, and like you said, some people might not come
to that realization before the great collapse.
You know, Lawrence LaPorte calls it the big print.
Some people call it the great collapse.
But it all connects when you study Bitcoin and you realize
what's going on here and there. I'm not a very expert.
You're more into the the macroeconomic world and I listen
to you because of that. And you're connecting with other
parts of life. Some people are just not going
to have that grace and they're going to have to get hurt,
unfortunately, you know, and that's where we come in.
And they should surround themselves with with good
people, you know, like minded people and just spend less than
they earn. And maybe, you know, maybe maybe
invest in yourself, you know, learn a trade or or learn a new
skill and provide value to people that you will be rewarded
accordingly. That's the market.
You know, person is not going to pay me $1,000,000 to clean their
house, right? So I just clean more houses.
I hire people, you know, provide value and, and, and the world is
going to give back to you. And if you're always negative to
the universe, the universe just says, yes.
The universe does not know anything else.
It's yes, yes, yes. If you're like, oh, I suck, I'm
terrible, all my friends, the universe is going to say yes,
yes. But if you start saying, you
know, oh, life is great, wow, what a beautiful guy.
Well, this is, you know, if you keep being positive and
surrounding yourself with positive people, the universe is
going to say yes. It's going to reinforce that.
And the, and the in the long term, in 10 years, you're going
to see the life you've built and you're going to be happy with
yourself, you know, love that. That's the that's one of the
best endings I think I've had on a on a pulse house.
So thank you for that. Thank you so much for your time
and and your insights and I'm rooting for you.
And yeah, thanks man. Really, really appreciate it.
Thank you. So much for having me on
brother. I hope you.
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