All right. Hey, everyone, this is Brom
Konstein and you're listening to Bitcoin for Millennials.
Together with my guests on this podcast, I go on a journey to
discover how our current financial system works, why it's
flawed, and why Bitcoin is the most relevant technology that
you, my fellow millennials, should understand and adopt.
In this episode, I'm joined by Eric V Stacks.
He's a cannabis farmer in Northern California who once
owned and operated one of the first licensed cannabis farms in
that state. He's an avid Bitcoiner and
believes that Bitcoin has changed the fabric of our
reality. He started making daily videos
on X because he's passionate about Bitcoin and wants to share
the profound effects of this technology with others.
One of his quotes reads and I and I go, let me know what you
if you have anything to add, Eric.
The metaphysical nature of Bitcoin is ascending humanity to
a higher state of consciousness and helping us heal our mass
inherited ancestral trauma. Well, if you say stuff like
that, man, I I just wanted to talk to you.
So I'm super happy that you're here and excited to to talk with
you man. So welcome.
Yes, thank you. It's an honor to be here.
I'm super, super grateful, man. Yeah.
Yeah, I love that. That's what triggered me in your
videos. I like there's the first video I
saw of you was, I think you got out of your truck, you're
outside of the farm talking about Bitcoin.
You're pointing your camera at the sun and you just say, like,
I'm super fucking grateful, man. I was like, I I fuck with this
guy. Like that's great.
Like, I you said it like you actually meant it, right?
And that's what I think I really saw.
Yeah, well, it's true. I've said, you know, I say this
because it's true. I feel like in some sense I'm
bursting at the seams. I'm so pumped.
You know, we play the gratitude exercise and generally speaking,
especially in the world we live in today with YouTube and a lot
more of the spiritual, metaphysical nature being
brought to light by individuals like Joe Dispenza, we understand
how important it is to think positive thoughts.
And for me, going down that path and trying to grapple with
whatever traumatic experiences we, you know, experience in life
and make sense of the world around me into implementing that
gratitude practice, has been quite transformative.
And after spending the last five years grappling with Bitcoin, I
have just become progressively more and more hopeful and
grateful because of the fundamental change that I
believe and our reality as as a result of Bitcoin.
The metaphysical nature of Bitcoin, the just the incentive
inversion, how it rewards the productive class.
You know what comes to mind as the sailor speaks to
essentially, and this is my words, but history is laden with
people who have been killed and and lied to and poisoned and had
their shit taken from them. And so in this sense you're at
this game theoretic disadvantage in the marketplace because of
the physicality of property against the sociopaths who are
willing to do whatever to get the most.
So the path of least resistance to acquire something is to take
it. Well now because of the
metaphysical nature of Bitcoin, you can custody your life force
in this magical metaphysical thing that nobody can get from
you even if they kill you. So now that trans that, I mean
that just brings in like the most hope ever.
Not even it. Like the more I think about it
too. I don't think it's not even it's
so probable that Bitcoin does what the hardcore Bitcoin
maximalist believe it's going to do that that is the that is the
most exciting thing and in a sense like this is the best time
to ever be alive and to witness this and participate in this and
have a piece of it. Dude I can't even I don't have
words to even describe how the level of gratitude like it's
such a special experience. I'm.
I'm like, yeah, overwhelmed. A few things to unpack there.
Like, what I like and that's what I really liked about your
videos is the fact that you can go to where you just went very
quick, right? This zooming out to this bigger
perspective where, and I think you definitely helped me with
this, right? Also like sometimes when you
think about Bitcoin, you end up in a place where you think like
really like could it really be this thing, right.
And what's so nice is that when you hear other people come to
the same conclusion through whatever their own way was
right, you know that you are not alone one.
And that's your your your rationale made sense right?
And that you're well in in essence not crazy thinking right
Because that probability to both be crazy and then up in the same
place is is I think pretty pretty low.
And also to go back to the that metaphysical part there's I've
drafted this idea of an an article I want to write and and
you just touched upon that like the the people that were
exploited in the past they were not aware of basically how the
metaphysical nature of the nature basically works.
Right. So we have this encoding, we
have an energy when we point that energy towards something it
manifests in the you know meet space or or real world.
But I think there's two things going on right.
Like one we are not aware of what this encoding in US is in
in general you know people in the past ancient civilizations
etcetera. Like they knew we we we don't
And I, I, I, I think a lot of people are actually learning
about this currently more like you feel that energy shift I'd
say but also because people are not aware of that but also the
like functional base layer of how we interact with each other
right. The money is broken.
People can like there's two things converging together and
that's why people can be exploited and how you just
explained your view on Bitcoin. I want to explain kind of like
this, where if Bitcoin exists in the world and creates the code
for a almost perfected truth, right, engineered truth in a
base encoded in a base layer. And then on top of that we can
project our energy to build stuff or think about things and
project our energy, you know, on top of this layer and then we
can create new stuff, right? So again, we go from like a
coded base layer to directed energy to realization of
whatever physical things there are, right?
And I love that you just said that because this is one of the
things I want to write about it. So Bitcoin touches on these
things. And I know that maybe for some
people who listening now, we're like, OK, where did these guys
just end up in 5 minutes? But this is also, for me, this
signal that Bitcoin is really fucking huge like this.
It's it's not just the technology, it's the moment in
time. It's the the problem it's
solving. It's everything like the timing
is right also and that is also very very special.
So I just want to to give that reflection because I am
somewhere in the same realm I think of, yeah?
It's the same thought red with slightly thought thread with
slightly different words. Yeah, I totally agree.
Yeah, so. The first question I actually
wanted to ask you, maybe the answer is very simple.
How does a guy growing weed in Northern California get
introduced to Bitcoin? Yeah, good question.
Yeah. So yeah, I got into Northern.
I came to Northern California from Southern California, where
I grew up in 2009. I was 25 years old and a friend
that I went to high school with, moved up here to go to Humboldt
State University, started getting involved in the cannabis
industry 'cause it was a big, huge growing market taking place
here in Humboldt County. You know the the Emerald
Triangle, the three counties up here where most of the cannabis.
Production. Has taken place, you know,
Trinity, Humboldt and Mendocino County.
And so my friend invited me to come up and trim, and I did.
I left my life in Southern California and I knew
immediately when I when I drove in through the forest, I hadn't
even, like, landed entirely in Humboldt.
And I knew that evening, driving into the area like this is, this
is my future. I'm going to get involved in
cannabis. I'm going to produce cannabis.
I wanted to be a part of it. I had an affinity from cannabis,
from a for cannabis from a young age, and I think that that
stemmed from the pharmaceutical use that I was exposed to in my
family growing up. I had two PhD parents, one's a
sociologist. My mother and my stepfather was
a prescribing psychiatrist. So I got some really witness a
lot of the side effects and downfalls pitfalls if you will,
of the Pharmaceutical industry and developed a mistrust at a
very young age for essentially our entire entire societal
construct and developed an affinity for cannabis in my my
mid teens. So for me, I really found like,
felt like I found my calling when I came in, came up to
Humboldt County and I've been here since, I don't know, 15
years now. And as a cannabis producer, I
was predisposed in a lot of ways to understand commoditization,
understand supply and demand. And in 2017, at the time, I
owned a property that I was in the process of getting
permitted. And I actually just gotten the
property permitted by Humboldt County was one of the first
people, like the 35th or the 40th permit or something to get
signed full final approval from the county for cannabis
cultivation. And I was awaiting approval from
the state of California. And this was December of 2017
where I was exposed like for real to Bitcoin and had like the
real conversation about it. Like, hey, here's this thing
that's truly decentralized in this format and there's these,
there's a supply cap. And because of that
predisposition, from my experience being a cannabis
producer and at that time I just bought my first property and I
had previously spent like the last, the prior 12 months or the
previous 12 months really digging into understanding
monetary policy, the Federal Reserve and the mortgages and
the boom bust cycles, 'cause now I had a heavy incentive to
understand that I'm standing on, you know, a 17 acre parcel with
2600 square foot house and I'm in the process of getting this
thing approved by the the state for a cannabis facility similar
to this. So yeah, that was when I was
introduced to Bitcoin and it immediately made sense.
And and and actually it was one of the things that I would say
was the biggest catalyst for me to pivot my business model and
sell the the farm. Because I had a lot, there was a
lot of regulatory uncertainty, there was an enormous amount of
counterparty risk, the volatility within the cannabis
industry. Yeah, I basically realized that
my dream come true was something that I needed to change.
And so as a result, at the end of the second year of owning it,
after getting it approved fully licensed, I sold it.
And then I started to take on my Bitcoin position.
And since then, the more that I've learned, you know, I
listened to Jeff Booth maybe 9-12 months ago, somebody was
interviewing them. They asked him about his his
allocation to Bitcoin and I loved his answer.
He essentially said the more he's determined that it's
unprobable, the higher the probability of success.
And his his evolving determination of that success,
the higher here is percentage allocation has become.
And so that's kind of what I went through as well.
And so over the last many years, I've just got converted
everything that I was holding on to that had any monetary energy
in it into Bitcoin and at times did so sweating bullets with the
understanding that like I could wake up tomorrow and this thing
could be a lot more money. And so yeah, and it's been very
transformative for me just in in all.
And so in most of the ways actually that would be hard.
I'd have to play a game of like I wonder how what areas of my
life Bitcoin hasn't touched would be would be the exercise.
Yeah. I have a similar experience I
think yeah. So how how do you connect and
like your experience and and interested in in cannabis and
trying to establish that yourself to Bitcoin is that then
and this is kind of my I'm projecting here a bit right.
But like my view on cannabis is, this is a plant.
This is a nature given given by by nature.
And if we go back to, like, the structural code of the nature,
in some way it helps us, the humans, because it connects with
us, Yeah, to view the world that we live in or our thoughts, you
know, internal, external, however you want to define that
right in a different way. So I'm a I'm a big cannabis
proponent in a sense. Yeah, it's just a plant, right?
But I can imagine that if if you have a regular thought about or
a similar thought about that, that that when you think like,
OK, I want to grow this, you have to go to this person, that
person, that state, you have to wait for those approvals.
Like, am I, am I walking in the right direction in a sense?
Like, is that where you can like see what the power of the
government is over what is basically a plant, right?
Yeah. So there's a handful of threads
that I could pull on there, and I guess we'll just run through
them, try to distill them down to keep them comprehensive.
I believe there's a lot of parallels between Bitcoin and
cannabis in the sense of I feel like you have this game of whack
A mole where if you try to oppress something that the
market wants, it's going to figure out how to pop up and
show up somewhere else. And so, and I would say also
that the prohibition of cannabis has been alignment with the
progressive change in the reserve standard and the
debasement of our currency over the last 100 years.
And so there's a lot of parallels there.
I also think that there's an ethos between cannabis which
kind of goes back to that whack, A mole analogy of fuck you,
we're going to do what's right, you know what we think to be
right, even if it's harder, we have to pay a price to do so.
You know, other thing a sailor says is, you know, history is
full of people who were willing to die for what they believed
in. And so over the last however
long since the 30s, since prohibition really took place,
like millions and millions of Americans said, hey, you know
what? We're going to consume, we're
going to produce and we're going to sell this, this, this plant.
I also think that there is was a need in some sense to suppress
things that have the effects that cannabis do on
consciousness. And that's a whole large
conversation. But if I were going to distill
it down to the most basics, the best way that I could put that
is, is I believe cannabis has this ability to accentuate your
thought process. That high feeling I think is an
enhancement that we get of our senses and I think it has a
calibrating modulatory effect. And I think it it's, it almost
like in some sense calibrates your empathy region within you
and I and I you can say that when like, and for me if I go
long periods of time without ingesting cannabis in any form
and I do you get hit with that wave.
People speak to of like paranoia where it's kind of like oh, did
I say that thing like I was a little harsh.
I was a little rude, like I've been behaving too hubristically.
I, you know what, I shouldn't have done that thing.
I was kind of hard on that person or hey, you know, I
snapped with my wife. I kind of feel bad.
And so I think that the suppression of cannabis was a
requirement in some sense and the promotion of like the so
many parallels like the degradation of our society, the
promotion of like the intoxication from
pharmaceuticals and alcohol and then the ban on mind altering
substances because they're all mind altering caffeine,
cannabis, LSD, psilocybin, alcohol, pharmaceuticals,
SSRI's, barbiturates, whatever you can put all of these
products, tobacco, they're all really fall, as far as I'm
concerned into the same bucket. And if you look at which ones
are banned, they're the ones that expand your ability to see
in multiple layers what is taking place in our reality.
They're enhancers in my humble opinion.
And so yeah, that there's, yeah, there's a lot there.
I kind of. There's a third thought that I
wanted to tie into that but lost my train there.
Yeah, yeah, all. Good.
Yeah. I I love what you said about it
brings you I think more in alignment of like the true
energy that is inside you. Right.
Like the the the you're you're you can free yourself a bit from
the from the programming that everyone is I think a sub a
subject to right. And of course that is not what
the government wants. It's really interesting.
I have a big book on cannabis here, which is about also like
Dutch history on cannabis. And just I watched also a
documentary about history in America.
Right. And it's it's interesting that
why there was a prohibition where all these like very gnarly
incentives and quotes, I think you know about why why they
banned it. But there's never a real
argument against it. And that is just a bunch of
like, basically, right, Like, like, well, well, so yeah, two
things. So what you just said, like, if
you know, truly know that this is you think this is a good
thing, you know, where there's no hubris, But there is a lot of
humility and you know that this could have a positive effect on
people, Then you want to promote it, then you want to use it,
then you want to grow it, basically.
Right. And I feel it's the same as with
Bitcoin eventually. Sometimes I see people say about
Bitcoin, there are no informed critiques, right?
And it always sounds very like full of hubris, right when
someone says. It, yeah, but.
It's actually true because the only the.
Most probabilistic is what I. Would say also.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the.
One the arguments you see against Bitcoin, they are
actually full of hubris. Totally.
You know, like I had a guy yesterday on Twitter who like
listed all of his experience in finance to substantiate his
argument that Bitcoin was a Ponzi.
After I said if you say Bitcoin is a Ponzi, you disqualify
yourself. Yeah.
And so it's he. Showed you what software and
what programming he's running. He's like, yo, I'm running all
these Keynesian programs and this is my yeah.
Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. No updates received, right.
Yeah. But I totally.
But that alignment I think is interesting.
I perhaps there's more subjects like that right.
But once you really understand, you know I think it goes even
further back like a first principle that you are not
better than another human or something, right.
Like so if other humans rule over you, but but they don't
know anything about the subject that you know everything about
and you can honestly, without hubris, with all your humility,
say this is not a bad thing. And then someone else who's not
better than you does say it's a bad thing.
And actually because they have power, they will not give you a
license, right? Or not give you permission to
own something or or do something.
I think that is where some people take the rat pill in a
sense where you realize, hey, there's no rationale here.
Like this person is like, you know, applying their power over
me basically. And that's when totally, when
you know you're right, actually, when someone else says you're
wrong, without substance, you know you're right.
Basically, yes. Interesting, interesting.
I love that. Now that's a that's a good
comparison, I think. So Recently you started making
videos on X like what's this? You know, sharing your thoughts
and enthusiasm about Bitcoin. Like, what's the what's the
motivation behind that? Well, it's multifaceted.
I would say that. The first thing is, is that I
just wanted to expand my conversational reach.
I wanted to connect with other like minded individuals.
I wasn't actually didn't think it was going to be as effective
as it has been. I learned all up until, I think,
I don't know, a little bit before Thanksgiving, maybe
August, September, I got onto Twitter, started to try to
figure out how to tap into the Twitter community and look at
what was happening there pertains to to Bitcoin Twitter.
But really, as far as content and and education, what I've
been, what I've learned from is listening to all of the podcasts
and interviews on YouTube and then listening to audiobooks.
And so for me in Northern California, you know, I I feel
like I spend my life just talking to the same 15 people
all day long about all of these profound root Bitcoin, you know,
ideas that I'm grappling with. And I really just wanted to
expand my conversational reach, First off, and then secondly, I
feel like we at scale are manifesting A collective reality
like you. And this is the way I think
about in term in life, like you live your own reality and
there's a lot of things that are very subjective to you.
And and I'm living my own individual reality, but we're
coming in, we're meeting in this collective reality.
And I feel like, you know, there's a lot of dialogue around
how does this go. And I feel like it's still up in
the air. Is this, this, Do we have hyper
bitcoinization? And the Trojan horse of freedom
made it into the castle. And now do the do the do the
entities inside of that Trojan horse, do they jump out and
everyone just celebrates and lives abundance and has this big
party or is there like a bloody feud.
And I actually don't think we're in for a bloody feud.
And I think that a lot of people and heavy, heavy bitcoiners
think that we're in for potential civil civil war and
revolution. And I just think because of the
fundamental inversion and the incentive structure and the
physicality of property that if the sociopathic overlording
people who are incentivized to do things that are not good for
us and not good for our planet, Planet Given our Fiat paradigm
which just evolved from I think that was the best solution to a
reality where every everything was physical.
And now that we have this metaphysical property, the
inversion, and the inversion in the incentives means that if
you're a sociopathic leader, it's actually you don't even
need to do things that fuck the world up to get the most.
You do the right thing to get the most.
And I actually think that if you're a sociopath who's willing
to do the wrong thing to kill and steal and to acquire the
most energy, I would argue that most of them don't get their
jollies off doing it, that they would actually still prefer to
do the right thing to get the most.
And now because of the metaphysical nature and the
inviolability of property of Bitcoin, the way to get it is,
is to negotiate with the people. And I also think that, you know,
a sailor, I heard sailor say this, you know, if you have a
ruling class and you have a bunch of people who don't have
any power, they look at you with contempt.
Well, if they have power, you're looked at with respect.
And I really like that. And so I do think that we're not
in for some nasty transition. But I also feel like it's all
probabilistic because this hasn't happened yet and I and I
think in terms of, you know, Bashar Abraham Hicks and the law
of attraction or the work that Joe dispenses doing and the
quantum physicists in the world and the double slit experiment.
And so I would, because I don't know anything, I'm open to
everything and that seems to have the most probable
explanation as far as I could tell.
We live in this simulated reality, and I think it's
probabilistic, that it's a simulation.
And I think that as a result, we have an opportunity to create
whatever outcome we want, but it requires focus and attention.
And so I wanted to share my thoughts at at more scale than I
was to attempt, even if it's in the most infinitesimal manner,
to help affect the future outcome, I want to pull that
reality out of the quantum field.
It's the observer who at least changes the wave into a
particle. And so I want to throw that and
I want to fuel that. I want to feel that, I want to
integrate that few vision for a future.
I want to put focus on that one to help balance out some of the
fear that we have. And the fear I think stems from
like, it's hard wired programming.
It's like inherited ancestral trauma from the just forever
Ness of the physicality of property in the game, theoretic
fuckness in the reality that we live in.
And so I I refer to that as looking at the new world through
the lens of the old world. And if you do so, then what you
see is this very tumultuous future.
But I think the fabric of our reality is fundamentally
different now. And as a result, I think that
the future is probabilistically going to be quite beautiful.
And I think we're going to usher it in at an unfathomable rate.
And I just want to shed light on that.
I want to put the orange spotlight on that one because
and and and maybe to a certain degree you can say maybe I'm
just self deluded and I have a cognitive bias and thinking that
way makes me feel better. But if I think that way and I
feel better than my my reality becomes better and then am I
creating that reality for myself?
It's like you're. Actually doing it.
It's it's, I hear a few things here, right?
It's walking the talk. It's doing the work, right.
It's actually the projection of the energy in your mind to a
broader reality than just your personal experience, I'd say.
Right? So you're basically practicing
what I also see as the laws of the universe verse, right?
And how energy flows towards creating energy and attention
towards creating something. So I think you're walking the
talk of your beliefs in a sense. Well, I appreciate at.
Least an attempt. At least an attempt, right?
Yeah. Yeah.
And that's the one thing that I know I can do.
I know that I can. I know that I can put forth the
effort. What comes with that the the, I
don't know, but I know that I can make take the action.
And I do think that in terms of the law of attraction is your
reality. Your vibrational frequency is
being mirrored to you in the world around you.
And the more time I grow up but. That works.
You because you triggered me,
right? I mean that's totally one
example but I feel that that is that is what should illustrate
it that what you put out you will also receive and I think
hopefully I can help you know with a small contribution to you
know sharing your thoughts again further, right.
So I think that is exactly the mechanism that that you just
mentioned and and how we can help each other and that's what
I personally really see in Bitcoin, this mutual benefit of
adopting Bitcoin that is actually just amazing, right.
Like the whole 0 sum game that existed before this will be
gone. At least you know that's the
projection in the future I'd say.
But I think that is what you're talking about.
Just a mutual benefit of adopting Bitcoin for anyone at
any level at that doesn't really matter with any experience, age,
whatever, you know. That's the beauty of Bitcoin,
I'd say. Yeah, you know, like Sandler
says, it's the only ethic. It's the ethical investment.
And I think that this is, you know, if you look at the new
world from the lens of the new world as I like, those are words
that I like to use. I like Jeff Booth.
He speaks to it. And you can't look at the new
system through the lens of the old system.
We're speaking to the same thing.
You can't see you and I have just debate after debate with
intelligent individual who gets has this hang up point where
they just can't understand the the the fact that it's you can't
Co opt it and how no matter like in every way even.
So this is one of the things I say.
So every time someone buys Bitcoin, it's good for everybody
who owns Bitcoin and it's good for everybody who doesn't own
Bitcoin. It's good for everybody.
And people can't see that. You know, if I if I buy more
Bitcoin and I don't buy a rental house, for example, to save my
economic energy, that's downward price pressure on houses.
And in a feed out paradigm that's more of a liquidity
crisis because you have debt these houses back but also like.
And so that strengthens the Bitcoin that makes houses more
affordable for people who don't own homes even if they don't own
Bitcoin. Yeah.
So I think there's just a big, a big hang up there and but also
if the ADIQ plebs can figure it out, everybody else will.
It's just and I think that it's like the 100th monkey thing.
I, you know, there's this, I forget why I heard this.
My wife speaks to this often at, you know, there's this idea that
after 144,000 people channel an idea, it like permeates with
through a culture at scale or at some hyper rate.
And I think we're there. I think we're experiencing it.
I think more and more people are waking up to this thing every
single day and it's the incentive too.
And the thing that's so beautiful, one of the many
things so beautiful is, is how the ethical investments, the
ethical monetary network, it the the new reality, if you will.
It's like we discovered bedrock. It's a new world.
We all just are going to go there now where there's infinite
abundance and freedom for everybody.
I lost it. That was a good one.
I was deep. The monkeys.
I will go, I'll, I'll pull, I'll pull around.
OK you know you were talking about the monkeys but but but
that's actually a fascinating number.
I, I, I'm, I'm, lately I've been getting into this a bit more
like these thoughts about if how many people do we need to
actually create a certain change right.
And I think you just what did you just say 140,000 something
140? 4.
Like, that sounds minuscule and doable, right?
And I think that is so, so fascinating Tipping.
Point. Probably.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's yeah. But that's so fascinating that
it's also I think a part of the like programming you have like
what is my influence. I don't have a lot of influence.
I'm just me. Right.
But if you understand something like this, then you know that a
movement doesn't involve that that much, right.
I think you just said off off mic before we started.
Like if, if you can have a big enough group that have like a
common ground of understanding of a certain, yeah, philosophy
or future projection, and in this case, you know, a
combination with a certain technology, then that is already
what connects us, right? And then it doesn't really
matter if you're from Northern California and I'm from Western
Europe and someone comes in from an Arab country or Australia.
We already bonded on a foundational level.
So we can skip that whole part basically and move together.
Yeah, yeah. And I think that I think that
what you're speaking to is like, if you look at it through, you
know, Tesla says if you want to understand the secrets of the
universe, you need to think in terms of energy, vibration and
frequency. And I think that Bitcoin,
because it's this mass truth protocol, it's it's essentially
this fixed and movable object that we're all tethering to and
tethering our economic energy to.
We're all thinking about the exact same thing.
We're looking at the same list. It's the same addresses.
It's the same 21 million coins and it's at the largest.
It's at scale, it's it's all across the entire planet.
I think for all of known history, we've organized
ourselves around things and in a much or in in a less effective
way by orders of magnitude. Even with religion, you could
take any religion. The the stories were all
slightly different. They're slightly different
ideologies, but they're all kind of subscribing to the same idea
of there's this, you need to be good to people.
We come from a place, we go to a place.
There's common themes. And so with Bitcoin, because of
this Mass consensual reality that we're all like, moving
into, we're tuning ourselves vibrationally and agreeing upon
this thing, and it's connecting us at a level in which we have
never connected before, you know, at scale.
Well, yeah, in a disruptible base layer, it's basically,
yeah, well, it's the mass. Agreeance.
It's like there's so if I'm, if I'm if I am hanging out with a
group of individuals and we're talking about some some
ideology. And on the other side of the
planet there's a group of individuals talking about a
symbol the same ideology but they're doing it with different
gods. For example.
You know like take the Native Americans versus like the Roman
Empire for example. We had they had these religious
beliefs you could say the spiritual realm but they there
was a mass distortion there or there was a a huge divide and
and that story in this specific details around those stories
that they were using to interpret the world around them
causing them to individually and collectively vibrate at a
different frequency. And so I think Bitcoin is
attuning us. It's calibrating us.
It's this is what I think I was going to say.
It's aligning the the the the what is it?
It's aligning the end of the the best for the individual with
what's best for the collective. And people can't really see that
'cause it's the first time in human history And so it's tuning
us all. We're all we're all starting to
ascend to a higher state of consciousness collectively
because we're tuning to the same frequency.
And then if you layer in on top of that, that now you have
metaphysical property. And I'm now becoming everyday
more and more absolved from the trauma induced from the
traumatic experiences that myself and all of my known as
ancestors forever had to endure trying to protect themselves
from plunder. And now we have a technology
that allows you to insulate yourself from plunder and
violence in a way that you've never been able to in all of
known history. And it's absolving us of like
mass stress and cortisol, allowing us to creating a
feedback loop of I feel better and I'm less stressed if I have
my Physiology is feels better, I'm thinking better thoughts,
then in turn I'm taking more action, my dopamine and my
serotonin and all my things are firing and wired.
I'm incentivized to do the hard thing that's right over the long
term, that's going to yield me the most.
And that feedback loops takes place.
And I think it's happening at mass scale, honestly.
And that was what that is part of what I really want to shed
light on and then contribute to this movement, even if it's in
the most minuscule ways. Because I think that people are
missing that. You know, I was listening to a
Gabor Matte conversation. I don't know if you're familiar
with the Gabor matte, but he does a lot of work on trauma and
addiction. He says that it's the traumatic
experiences. So if you're traumatized, you
experience something traumatizing, but the trauma
takes place within you as a result of that traumatizing
experience. And we carry that forward.
And I think at Mass, Bitcoin is transmuting this trauma within
us that we, I think also pass on and inherit ancestrally due to
the vibrational nature of our reality.
And like epigenetics, you know, and the ability for the genetic
code to update itself so quickly in an environment where if you
take an exact copy of a species and you put them into different
environments. Like if I take a clone of these
plants and I put one in a shitty environment and one in a really
good environment, I'm going to get a different physiological,
physiological response from those plants.
It's different phenotypic expression.
And so if the genes can spit out such a different response to its
environment that quickly that's an indicator to me that we
really can upgrade and update our genetic code as we pass it
on to our descendants. And I think that out like scale
the cellular that like our genetic code and on a cellular
level like pain trauma and like toxicity is being transmuted and
I think it's happening at a fat hyper rate.
And I just, you know I I think that some people some people are
seeing that at this point and I, you know I want to participate
in that conversation you know and and and also it's like you
said am I, am I tripping, am I fucking nuts.
Because you know what I could wake up tomorrow and everything
that I ever thought to be true could be entirely wrong.
You know, I have to maintain that humility.
And just this is my most probabilistic logical
assessment, the reality that I'm experiencing.
Yeah. And so I just think, you know,
honestly, it's the biggest deal in human history.
This is all the case. This is all like, if so, then
you live in a new world, you know, and I don't think it's
going to be tumultuous, tumultuous transition, you know,
I don't think it's going to be some nasty thing.
And this is then also, yeah, I mean, I I fully agree.
I love this is also what I was aiming for with this
conversation like this zooming out, like what is this bigger
picture that is taking place. And I also had, you know I saw
you in one of your videos, you said like Satoshi fixed our
reality. That is basically what you just
illustrated, right. Because that new.
This is my trend translation, because this new reality of this
new base layer of truth is actually there.
We who are basically operating on top of that base layer of
truth, at least between each other, right?
Together build new things, realize new movements or
whatever do things together. As humans, we also get the
freedom to actually work on these traumatic experiences,
right. And or work through them or as
you said like transmute them and lose them actually.
So that the generation that comes after us which will also
live on this truth based layer will have less of that.
And that's eventually will be good for the entirety of
humanity. Because then there it is no 0
sum game anymore. It's it's back to a together
game basically a mutual beneficial relationship between
any human wherever they live basically.
That's kind of my translation here.
Yeah. Yeah.
I like that, yeah. So in terms of, it's like it's
calibrating us. You know the county has to come
through it from the. Grounds and they grounds us.
That's it, yeah. Yeah, The county comes through
with once a year and they, you know they have a little box with
these weights and they put on white gloves and they calibrate
our scales so that when we're selling you know, certain
volumes for certain weights of our products that the scale is
actually reading right. And so in some sense, for all
of. Known history.
We've all been out of calibration.
We're struggling to calibrate. Yeah, and so.
When you know you talked about your involvement in cannabis,
how you how you viewed that. Then you found Bitcoin.
Like I know you love Jeff Booth. You listened a lot to him as
well. Like what?
What kinds of first principles influence your thinking about
Bitcoin and like the topics it touches?
Like, are there any things that that you'd like to follow that
help you in your thinking? Totally.
And I would say on that note, Jeff Booth's work was absolutely
pivotal and important for me in my life.
And my understanding, the evolution of my understanding of
what of the forces and that are taking place in the world around
me. And when with the Price of
Tomorrow and his, you know, shedding such beautiful light on
the deflationary forces of our reality.
That helped me really put words to and understand what I've
experienced as a cannabis producer, which is a commodity.
And that supply is always meeting demands and in the
process of commoditization, if you have a large in profit, you
have a large incentive for capital and entrepreneurs to
flow into that sector of the marketplace and up the supply
relative to the demand driving down the value, you know and and
Booth said it was the first person I'd said heard say that
the price of everything drops to its marginal cost of production.
And so I have two things that are three things that are
working against me as a cannabis producer.
You know, it's like Sailor said, we have an existential crisis.
He had $500 million on the balance sheet.
It was a melting ice cube. He's got this company that the
basement's taking place. If his cash flows aren't
increasing as fast as the debasement or the real inflation
rate, he's getting a haircut. And so all that really helped me
to understand that I have commoditization.
The force of commoditization is supplied to meeting demand,
dropping the price of the the, the product that I produce.
Then I have jurisdictional competition.
You know for example, California has high taxes, there's high
fees and as a business producer in California I have a high
cost. The energy costs in Northern
California per kWh, I think I want to say it's like $0.15 an
average, $0.20 an average per kWh used to run this facility.
And in Oklahoma, it's a lot easier to get permitted or
licensed and approved and the cost of living is less and the
taxes are less and the energy is less.
So I'm at a market disadvantage because of jurisdictional
competition. And a layer on top of that, the
third force that's making our lives hard and we all have
certain flavors of this depending on where we reside in
the marketplace. But that's the monetary
inflation coupled with the deflationary rate reality of our
world. And so my cost of living is
going up denominated in dollars and my the cost of the commodity
that I produce is going down denominated in dollars.
So I I have real, real numerical wage deflation and real cost of
living inflation. So it's like the most extreme
problem to have somebody who's minimum wage if their cost of
living goes up 15% or something over a two year period on
average, but their wages go up 5%, they have the optical
illusion of making money but the cost of living is moving up
faster. But that's that's real wage
deflation even if it's not dollar denominated wage
deflation. So I have an extreme situation
here further incentivizing me to kind of do essentially what
Sailor did is, is that any of my treasury reserve, any of my
surplus, my monetary energy that I have, any other assets,
obviously needs to go into Bitcoin for all the obvious
reasons. But in addition to that,
everything that I can spin off as a surplus also has to go into
Bitcoin. And now here's the cool part.
Those forces. All three of them, as a matter
of fact. Commoditization, Jurisdictional
competition and regulatory. Yeah, regulatory competition.
What is drawing a blank here? Excuse me?
Those forces, they'll make my Bitcoin more valuable, you know?
So for me, it's the hedge against these forces that are
fucking making my life fucked, if that makes sense.
So heavily predisposed to adopting a Bitcoin standard.
That and being somebody who's, interestingly enough, not a huge
risk taker, I find it's also be the safest place to have my
economic surplus due to the basement and confiscation and
etcetera. It's fascinating.
I tweeted this before like I am a control freak and not a risk
take my risk profiles very low and that's exactly why I
Bitcoin, right? I want to, I want to talk more
about this in general, actually to I'm not sure yet how to help
people understand. But this is exactly exactly why
I Bitcoin, the fact that I don't want to take that other risk of
mitigating the debasement. And you know, I love having the
example of when you have a job or a venture, you take risk, you
know, in spending your money or like energy, time, energy and
time to earn energy back. But yeah, if if it's deflated on
purpose, then when you're home, you have another job, a job that
you didn't know you have before and then you have to, you know,
take more, take more risk and stuff.
Like, I don't, I don't want to do that.
So it's also actually, in a sense, a pretty lazy thing,
right? Like I just say save in Bitcoin.
I sit on my hands, literally. It's not rocket science.
It it, it's hard to actually get to that point.
Like, I totally understand that, right?
Like you have to have, you know, get you know, there has to be
certain paths created for you or perhaps what you just shared,
right? OK, I am in an industry I love.
I want to stay here. This place is great.
But wow, my my costs are going up and my revenue is going down.
I have a serious problem, right? For whereas I always say my own
example sometimes not to pat myself on the chest, but I never
really experienced the problem and I still figured it out.
Like that's really hard. Actually.
Yeah, like I I don't know what my path exactly was, but it was
more like a spiritual thing. Almost like, OK, I never had a
problem. I but I'm still participating in
a system that I have no clue about like how this works.
OK. I need to dive into this right?
And then slowly getting to to grasp like the irrationality and
and how illogical, you know this whole system is that we are
basically all forced to participate in, right?
And so it's interesting that everyone has their own path to
the same conclusion and when you end up at that conclusion, what
you have to do is very very very simple, right?
You save in this new system all the excess energy in in forms of
money that you have, you just put into the system and you do
nothing. You don't have to do anything,
you don't have to mitigate risk, you don't have to take more risk
like all these things. So it's interesting that also
back to, I'd say, you know like you have to be uncomfortable in
a big way first to then have the easy life, right.
It's hard choice, it's easy life, etcetera.
And that's also for me again like a fun realization or so
interesting about Bitcoin that it even aligns with all those
bigger principles, right, Like these bigger kind of like life
quotes sometimes that you hear what you think.
Like this is my entire experience with Bitcoin and it
fully aligns with this with this reality basically, right.
And I I want to link to like another like an epic rant you
had that I that I saw on Twitter.
You said I think we should all be rational and sell everything
we don't need and buy Bitcoin, which of course sounds
ridiculous if you don't. If you're not.
If you're not at the same point, but when you are at that point,
you totally understand what you are saying, right?
Like, I mean, I have like, I don't know, 1020 pairs of
sneakers and sometimes I see sneakers and I think like, oh, I
want those sneakers now. Fuck no, I don't want those
sneakers. Like I'm selling.
I'm selling stuff left and right to just stack, stack more
Bitcoin and I'm also not consuming anymore like I
previously did, you know in in whatever way and So what?
Like I wanted to get back to that rent like what?
What is your your background or your?
How do you say like your explainer there?
Like if you're rational, you should sell everything you want
for Bitcoin. Yeah, well, I think due to the
fact that it's the first thermodynamically sound monetary
instrument amongst many other things.
But that means that the way to get the most, I think, you know,
it's energy and energy out the way to get the most is now the
easy thing which is just ADCA into this one asset.
You know, it's like Sailor when you know Sailor was talking to
to Bill you and he's like are you all in on the chair like you
do use rubber band knives, you know.
And so it made sense to allocate levels of energy to figuring out
the the markets and have a diversified portfolio and to
play that game because you had different flavors of risk and
different different reward profiles and every market is
going to be slightly different. But now with Bitcoin, the game
is simple. The simple way to get the most
to see. This is where it's so fun of
it's so beautiful. The way to get the most is now
the easiest thing. Yes, and that's why it's so.
Hard to grasp and people. Are just even Ray Dalio's like
like he's like, I don't know. Apparently the the idea is is
that Ray Dalio thinks it's too good to be true and maybe he's
right. I don't know.
It's all probabilistic, yeah. But the easy thing is.
Entirety of life is probabilistic.
Right. But but but sorry to interrupt
but like the what you said about thermodynamically sound that's
like also one of my biggest things I see it.
It's a see it as a 3D cube in cyberspace where physical energy
through mining was put in this physical cube.
And because it's Thermo sorry I've lost the word
thermodynamically sound, that energy, that physical energy
will never leave the little, you know, 3D cube.
Totally. There's 21 million of these 3D
cubes and that's it, that, that's literally it, right?
And now you have like coins and little little bills where energy
is stored in but that leaks left and right.
And that's this is the simplest I can.
I think it's the first. Battery that really works in all
of human history. So you have.
To move your energy from whatever you think is money
right now and move it into these digital cubes where physical
energy was put in. That's it.
Totally. Yeah.
And it takes. It takes.
It totally does. It takes a lot of work to get
there though. It really does.
You have to you have to really grapple with it all because you
know it's just it's it's it's a paradigm shift.
It's a new world. It's a whole new thing.
Gosh, it's all so many problems and it makes things, so, so many
things, so clear. And I think also a very profound
effect amongst amongst the people in the Bitcoin community
who you can say, have made it to the place where they live
entirely on a Bitcoin standard, or at the very least understand
it. A Bitcoin standard and most,
most of its entirety. There, you free up so much
cognitive function, so much mental RAM that now like you're
thinking about deeper thoughts, you're you can channel that
energy more into what it is that you love to do.
It's just like you said, if you can live a life and spin off a
surplus, but then you have to go home and figure out how to be a
fund man. You're a slave.
You're you're hijacked. But.
You're a you're a squirrel in the in the in the woods who's a
slave to just trying to protect their nuts forever and like
they're just rotting and you have to go get more people are
still, you don't know why. And you don't know if when's.
The winter going to end, do I need?
You're going to take as many as you can and now you have these
metaphysical invisible nuts that don't decay.
And you're not like, making the forest bearer of fucking acorns
if you're going to go and procure them.
You're creating abundance in all the physicality of the world
because you can save in this metaphysical nature, dude, all
of the physical. Stuff will be allowed.
Dude, all the physical stuff that people hold just because
they have economic energy in them.
You know, one of the, the last thing that I sold that had that
I could say that without being extreme and selling things that
I that I need and really going a little far on it was a truck.
I had this Tacoma. It's a beautiful truck.
It had suspension and nice camper shell.
It's this timeless pickup truck that I liked, you know, But it's
dilutive of my energy. I have to take care of it.
I have to maintain it. And so letting go of that truck,
I wouldn't have done it without Bitcoin, you know, it's a Toyota
Tacoma. The resale value is pretty good
on it. I used it sometimes.
But hold on, wait a second. This thing is diluting my
bandwidth. I got to register it.
I got to wash it. I got to think about it.
I need to get rid of it. And the act of doing so isn't
putting more downward price pressure on used vehicles.
Because I'm like, yo, I don't need a third car.
It's my wife myself. I have a truck.
I don't need a second truck. So you sell the truck.
This is taking place on mass scale and it's good for
everybody. It it's, yeah, it's a big deal,
man. Yeah, dude, yeah, I'm, I'm 100%
aligned aligned with you. That's freeing up that mental
energy. That is exactly what it's about,
right. That's also what I just
mentioned as like if I'm home, I don't want to mitigate me losing
my monetary energy by making, by taking more risk etcetera.
Like I want to move the energy that I have to a system where it
will accrue more value over time because everyone will be putting
in their monetary energy or their their energy there.
And that's why it frees up my mind, and then I can move from
consumerism to building. We still have to consume, but
you're doing so from a more calibrated RAT purpose.
More purpose, more purpose. More more directed basically,
right. Like this is what I do need.
This is what I don't need. Yeah.
Well another quote I loved was you said stay humble, stay
solvent, stack sets, you know it's a it's a it's a variant of
the OG like stay humble stack sets like stay solvent is that
was a good addition I think like very important obviously.
Why is the theme of humility so common about amongst like people
for who Bitcoin has clicked? I think you have to be humble
and open to the notion that what you believe to be true could be
wrong. And I think that you have to be
able to confront what was a cognitive bias and not
experience cognitive dissonance. So the people who are more open
to receiving new new ideology and new concepts are, I think,
people who are generally less hubristic and convinced that
they have it figured out and then in turn more predisposed to
here. I mean, see the thing with
Bitcoin, it's just, it's so rational.
It's so incredibly rational. I really do struggle with.
I don't understand why you know there's at at first glance.
If you think about it for 30 seconds, you're like, OK, this
is a Ponzi. This is very interesting, but if
you think about it for 5 minutes.
Yeah, it's wild. It's like, OK, well, well, this
thing is either they're either going to shut it down or
basically this changes everything, you know?
And so, yeah, the people who are willing to go further than that,
because then I think what happens though is people are
like, they'll shut it down. And I actually don't think it's
hubris. I think it's trauma.
I think people are traumatized deeply and as a result, they
struggle to see it, Gabor Amante says.
If you have a traumatizing experience, it creates A wound.
It's a soft spot, and if you're talking about your life force,
your energy. Where for all of known history,
a sociopath will just psychics take it from you in some
capacity. We've evolved that now through
this theft of debasement. But your that wound is a soft
spot. So if you're talking about
Bitcoin, it was a soft spot there and you develop scar
tissue around that they can't hear it.
They're just like, you know what, No, I it's what do you
mean? This is something that's going
to can't be taken into base and it'll free us from all this
shittiness like they're just like no.
But it makes a lot of sense because we always outsource that
responsibility, right? So it's it's an easy initial
thought to think like I have no power, someone else will, you
know, use their power over me. So that's why this cannot
probably be a thing, you know, that's easy cop out, easy
program, programmed cop out basically, right.
Which is I think just a natural response.
But this is also why Bitcoin is difficult to grasp.
Because once you think like, no, I do have power and I want that
power, I want to be sovereign, then you are basically
confronted with, you know, the second challenge, which is OK,
but then you have to custody everything you own all your
wealth yourself. You cannot outsource this
sovereignty anymore. And then you're like, oh, damn,
OK, this is another hump I have to get over, right?
So I also see it as like, it's all these little humps, all
these little humps where you have to think to yourself, like,
OK, do I want this? No.
OK. But then, I don't know, like,
then I'm a slave or then I'm not in control or then I'm not a
sovereign person. Do I want that?
Well, no. OK, Next problem.
Right. And it's like all these little
steps until you end up at that place.
Yeah. So if you, if you would meet
someone and they would say, you know, Eric, I see you talk about
Bitcoin, but like, what is it and why should I care?
Like, what's your What's like the shortest Orange Bill pitch
you have? I think I would go into, and I
do this actually, Essentially the physicality of nature and
the physicality of our reality and the metaphysical nature of
Bitcoin and supply versus demand, the simple fundamental
dynamics, infinite supply for whatever the monetary, the
chosen monetary technology of a marketplace is money being
convertible into any other good or service the marketplace can
produce. You have infinite demands.
And if you could create infinite scarcity and you could
dematerialize it and then protect it by a wall of
encrypted energy, you now create this essentially new monetary
instrument within the marketplace that inverts the
incentive structure, incentivizes peace and also
shows the two true deflationary productivity gains and
advancements amongst the civilization and the populace,
allowing those to flow to the productive class of our society.
And then I would just go over some basic and I do this too.
Hey, you know if you look at the last 100 years like I do, what's
comes to mind is Sailors PowerPoint presentation and
Prague. The first one you use slides on
when you put that out on the board and you just show these
simple charts of like, look, the monetary debasement is this
rate. Miami beachfront properties this
rate. Here's.
All the assets class station, that's great.
That's so good. And so you just wipe it down,
yeah. I'd say that that should be the
one, right? Because he says it's so good.
These are all the assets and then this is an.
Intellectually honest person cannot dispute that. 100%.
And so yeah, I definitely have had the most orange pill
success. And with those topics, the
metaphysical nature doesn't seem to be the most orange Pilling,
but it does actually with some of the people who, you know, I
can end up in spiritual conversation with.
You know that I do have times where like I've talked to
somebody who doesn't know anything about Bitcoin.
We're kind of talking about vibrational frequency and the
spiritual elements. And the magical NIST that we can
kind of feel intuitively is in this realm beyond.
And when I speak to the emergence of the metaphysical
and the physical, you know, like Sailor says, Satoshi opened a
portal and now energy's flowing into cyberspace.
That seems to be thought provoking for people who are
spiritually inclined and then people who are monetarily
incentivized. You just breakdown.
Look, let's get supply demands. Here's the here's the numbers.
Yep. Nice, all right.
Do you think wealth equates happiness?
Yes, but I don't measure wealth and monetary exclusively in
monetary terms. I think so.
Bashar, an entity channelled by Daryl Ankin.
You can just say streaming of consciousness, and I dig it.
I like what this guy says. He says totally.
He says true abundance is your ability to do what you need to
do when you need to do it. So if you have the ability to do
what you need to do when you need to do it, you have
everything that you'll ever need.
And if you have that and then you build upon that a, I don't
know, a moral base and how you interact and treat other people
and and pertains to you want other people to treat yourself
that way. I think that very quickly you
cultivate a reality for yourself that you would call, or at least
I refer to as being, you know, wealthy.
If you're wealthy, you're abundant.
You're not only wealthy and abundant, monetarily speaking,
you have to be abundant in love. You have to be abundant in
opportunity and community and and I think that actually those
are the things that are more important, you know, And what
actually was really interesting for me that I've kind of just
had to, I've grappled with slightly recently over the last,
I would even say like 6 to 8 weeks.
You know, I've thought about like what happened if I lost my
Bitcoin. It'd be a little less
comfortable, honestly, because money is stored energy, which
gives you more optionality, you know, Breedlove says that it's a
it's a hedge against future uncertainty.
I like that description, but the strategy doesn't change.
Like, I wouldn't go for being this excited video making weed
smoking cannabis cultivator who's enthralled on Bitcoin in
life to some depressed mop who's got to be dragged under from
under the bridge because I've become an alcoholic and I can't
function anymore because I lost everything and it wrecks my
life. Oh, the strategy doesn't change.
You just go to the marketplace. You do what you love.
You treat the world around you like you want to be treated.
You make arrangements, energy exchanges with people that you'd
be happy to be on both sides of. You do the right thing.
I think the right thing is the path of least resistance to
getting the most. Because I'm ultimately lazy.
Like I'm going to show up all the time as soon as I can right
when I think I should be there. I don't negotiate with myself,
you know? And so I think that that, yeah,
that that strategy, it's just doesn't change.
And so with that, life is now so exciting.
And if you can see the inversion and the incentive structure, and
then you could just watch the forces unfold till it is
beautiful, you know it. Yeah, it really is.
I almost want to say it's also entertaining.
Yes, it's totally. To see if that's what you create
in your mind can actually happen in the.
Yeah, in the in the reality that you experience.
Right. And so that pursuit today, I
mentioned to you, I was on a podcast of Dutch radio and and
they asked me like, hey, why did you start a podcast?
And I said, well at one point I just figured out I'm going to
talk and think about this for the next 50 years with all these
different people around the world like I'm already doing.
So why why not start a podcast, right.
And it's actually also a commitment in a sense in in a
different way than what you just shared.
But to just what I envision in my head or like the thoughts
that I have or the rationale that I go through when I think
about Bitcoin, where when I end up by myself in a place like I
need to share that and and and and talk about that with others,
but also be active on it to see if it will actually happen and
how. And then then it feels like a
real conscious journey towards a destination that we cannot even
illustrate. But that doesn't really matter,
right? And I think that's a really
comforting thought in a sense, like a very conscious journey
you follow and it doesn't really matter where you end up.
And that's, I think that's also, for me, what like wealth is in
the sense that you are happy with the choice you make in a
certain moment and totally OK with whatever the result is in a
sense. Makes sense.
But it's yeah, I love that, man. I love that.
Very cool. Yeah.
And. It's staying present, you know.
We only have now. It's only now, as far as we
know. You know it's got to be present.
So you give yourself a direction and a context.
Yep. And yeah, you're you, you
basically allow yourself to go there and see whatever happens,
happens or something like that, that that also gives you a lot
of mental space in the sense I think, yeah.
All right. So last question that I ask
everyone, what's a core belief that you will never let go?
That's a good one, that we're eternal beings and that what you
do in this life experience, I don't think you're absolved from
when this life experience comes to an end.
And you could say in some sense I do you, you could say I I
subscribe to the idea or believe in that like karmic lineage,
that karmic loop and yeah, what you do now, you carry.
I believe that it's there's a common theme through our
civilization. People intuitively know or
believe that there's a difference between our
Physiology and our consciousness or our soul, if you will.
And so I think that what we're doing here, it is super
important. It really is.
And I think that the sociopathic, the plunder, the
game theoretic conundrum created by what I refer to as the Old
World, causes people to behave in ways that intuitively I think
even if they're unaware that the 2nd and 3rd order effects of
their Fiat wealth acquisition strategy may have.
I think that those things permeate and vibrate into their
soul in some sort of way. And I think that over time,
what's so beautiful with Bitcoin is, as Bitcoin is going to
release this monetary energy that's been stored up as a
result of this shredding of our reality by confiscating life
force from a poverty class and giving it to a wealth owning
class. Some of which are very ethical
and market productive in the marketplace.
But I feel like there's an energetic funk, if you will,
that's tied up in that. And as that monetary energy
leaves a corrupt system, a broken reality, I can make all
all the analogies and tie it moves into this new system, this
new reality, this new world with a new incentive structure, the
ethical network, metaphysical property, the sheer magic that
Bitcoin is, I think it transmutes that energy and I
think it absolves us of some of the karmic funk that we have as
a result. You know, as I'm in America and
I have lived a a lavish life relative to the rest of the
world as a result of the exportation of our monetary
technology and getting goods and services from the rest of the
world as a result. And so I think that you will pay
the price in life. There's no getting around that.
I think it's just sheer physics, and I do believe that there's
this very magical and interesting thing that's taking
place is on a physiological and a metaphysical level, in our
reality as a result of Bitcoin. I think it's transmuting these
bad vibes, this weird funk. I think it's transmuting
ancestral trauma. It's lowering cortisol levels.
It's it's causing people to be happier about of reality that I
think intuitively most people struggled with.
It was kind of, you know, we it's it's the ultimate form of
hope as far as I'm concerned. So yeah, that's what I think.
I think that's we're eternal beings and I think that we take,
we take from this experience into the beyond and into
whatever experience comes after that.
We're just moving through time, space, dude.
I love that, man. That's the longest answer I've
had through this question today, but I absolutely love it.
I want to, I want to follow up a bit like because you said you
know it, it it help. Bitcoin helps us get in a higher
state of consciousness. If you say we are eternal
beings, do you like? Do you believe in reincarnation?
Yeah. I would say that I look at it in
terms of like, so you could say yes.
And the way that I like to frame it and maybe this is just part
of being a millennial, but I like and it's like you and I
could be sitting on a couch in a another reality, another
dimension. And we chose to live this life
and play this video game. It's PlayStation 21 million.
And here we are playing the the Planet Earth find Bitcoin game.
And you have to go through life and find Bitcoin.
And as you do, then you get to Level 2 and now you're playing a
new level and then maybe you'll ascend to Level 3.
Maybe you die on Level 2 and you go back to the couch and you're
like, whoa, that was a trip, and then let's play again, you know?
So yeah, that's the way I I think about it.
Interesting. Yeah, that was how my mind went
to I I believe that, as you said, you know, there's a
difference between the soul and the physical body, right?
And so the goal of the soul for each life is to transcend the
body, right? You have to transcend and ascend
to escape the the physical life. And if you are not able to do
that within your physical life, then you reincarnate.
But if you can enlighten yourself within the time space
of your physical life, then you go to the eternal life.
You know of the of the external eternal being, as you just said,
right. And I think if I connect that to
what we just talked about, if the base layer of value exchange
for information exchange between people that we use to create
value in the physical you know, space-time, reality that we live
in. If we can make that an engineer
truth and therefore free up mental space that we can use to
build more together, we will also have more mental space to
transcend the mind. You know within our meet space
life basically. Yeah, that's kind of how I
translate what you just said. Yeah, I love that, man.
Like I, I, I, I could talk way, way longer about this.
I think it's super fun and and a nice you know challenge to you
know, for your for your for your mind really.
So I hope people who listen to this were able to follow us or
else we just had a a nice conversation if I could say so.
Yeah man, that was my last question I I'd love to wrap up.
I will link to your X account so people can see your awesome
videos. And yeah man, I want to thank
you so much for for coming on. I really enjoyed this.
Yeah, me too, man. I'm super grateful.
Really appreciate you. Thanks.
I'm grateful too, man. Thank you.
Cool. Cool, man.
Well, be in touch. Cheers.
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