1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,600 All right. Hey, everyone, this is Brom 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:03,840 Konstein and you're listening to Bitcoin for Millennials. 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,280 Together with my guests on this podcast, I go on a journey to 4 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,080 discover how our current financial system works, why it's 5 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,480 flawed, and why Bitcoin is the most relevant technology that 6 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,000 you, my fellow millennials, should understand and adopt. 7 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,760 In this episode, I'm joined by Eric V Stacks. 8 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,400 He's a cannabis farmer in Northern California who once 9 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,040 owned and operated one of the first licensed cannabis farms in 10 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,160 that state. He's an avid Bitcoiner and 11 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,480 believes that Bitcoin has changed the fabric of our 12 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,640 reality. He started making daily videos 13 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,240 on X because he's passionate about Bitcoin and wants to share 14 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,400 the profound effects of this technology with others. 15 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,640 One of his quotes reads and I and I go, let me know what you 16 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,080 if you have anything to add, Eric. 17 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,640 The metaphysical nature of Bitcoin is ascending humanity to 18 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,360 a higher state of consciousness and helping us heal our mass 19 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,400 inherited ancestral trauma. Well, if you say stuff like 20 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,360 that, man, I I just wanted to talk to you. 21 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,960 So I'm super happy that you're here and excited to to talk with 22 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:56,800 you man. So welcome. 23 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,360 Yes, thank you. It's an honor to be here. 24 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,320 I'm super, super grateful, man. Yeah. 25 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,680 Yeah, I love that. That's what triggered me in your 26 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,800 videos. I like there's the first video I 27 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,280 saw of you was, I think you got out of your truck, you're 28 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,200 outside of the farm talking about Bitcoin. 29 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,000 You're pointing your camera at the sun and you just say, like, 30 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,760 I'm super fucking grateful, man. I was like, I I fuck with this 31 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,160 guy. Like that's great. 32 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,400 Like, I you said it like you actually meant it, right? 33 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,360 And that's what I think I really saw. 34 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,720 Yeah, well, it's true. I've said, you know, I say this 35 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,560 because it's true. I feel like in some sense I'm 36 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,960 bursting at the seams. I'm so pumped. 37 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:40,720 You know, we play the gratitude exercise and generally speaking, 38 00:01:40,960 --> 00:01:43,880 especially in the world we live in today with YouTube and a lot 39 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,160 more of the spiritual, metaphysical nature being 40 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,120 brought to light by individuals like Joe Dispenza, we understand 41 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,560 how important it is to think positive thoughts. 42 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:58,240 And for me, going down that path and trying to grapple with 43 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,960 whatever traumatic experiences we, you know, experience in life 44 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,000 and make sense of the world around me into implementing that 45 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,680 gratitude practice, has been quite transformative. 46 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,560 And after spending the last five years grappling with Bitcoin, I 47 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,600 have just become progressively more and more hopeful and 48 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,560 grateful because of the fundamental change that I 49 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,560 believe and our reality as as a result of Bitcoin. 50 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:30,080 The metaphysical nature of Bitcoin, the just the incentive 51 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,360 inversion, how it rewards the productive class. 52 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,280 You know what comes to mind as the sailor speaks to 53 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,320 essentially, and this is my words, but history is laden with 54 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,520 people who have been killed and and lied to and poisoned and had 55 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,840 their shit taken from them. And so in this sense you're at 56 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,120 this game theoretic disadvantage in the marketplace because of 57 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,680 the physicality of property against the sociopaths who are 58 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,040 willing to do whatever to get the most. 59 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,040 So the path of least resistance to acquire something is to take 60 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,320 it. Well now because of the 61 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,480 metaphysical nature of Bitcoin, you can custody your life force 62 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,120 in this magical metaphysical thing that nobody can get from 63 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,760 you even if they kill you. So now that trans that, I mean 64 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,280 that just brings in like the most hope ever. 65 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,080 Not even it. Like the more I think about it 66 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,400 too. I don't think it's not even it's 67 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,040 so probable that Bitcoin does what the hardcore Bitcoin 68 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,600 maximalist believe it's going to do that that is the that is the 69 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,360 most exciting thing and in a sense like this is the best time 70 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,000 to ever be alive and to witness this and participate in this and 71 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,280 have a piece of it. Dude I can't even I don't have 72 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,160 words to even describe how the level of gratitude like it's 73 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,960 such a special experience. I'm. 74 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:50,560 I'm like, yeah, overwhelmed. A few things to unpack there. 75 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,320 Like, what I like and that's what I really liked about your 76 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:59,320 videos is the fact that you can go to where you just went very 77 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,920 quick, right? This zooming out to this bigger 78 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,560 perspective where, and I think you definitely helped me with 79 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,120 this, right? Also like sometimes when you 80 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,000 think about Bitcoin, you end up in a place where you think like 81 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,520 really like could it really be this thing, right. 82 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,800 And what's so nice is that when you hear other people come to 83 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,600 the same conclusion through whatever their own way was 84 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,280 right, you know that you are not alone one. 85 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,640 And that's your your your rationale made sense right? 86 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,360 And that you're well in in essence not crazy thinking right 87 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,600 Because that probability to both be crazy and then up in the same 88 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,600 place is is I think pretty pretty low. 89 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,680 And also to go back to the that metaphysical part there's I've 90 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,440 drafted this idea of an an article I want to write and and 91 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,000 you just touched upon that like the the people that were 92 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:00,760 exploited in the past they were not aware of basically how the 93 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,200 metaphysical nature of the nature basically works. 94 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,320 Right. So we have this encoding, we 95 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,600 have an energy when we point that energy towards something it 96 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,120 manifests in the you know meet space or or real world. 97 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,280 But I think there's two things going on right. 98 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:22,360 Like one we are not aware of what this encoding in US is in 99 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,560 in general you know people in the past ancient civilizations 100 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,000 etcetera. Like they knew we we we don't 101 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,320 And I, I, I, I think a lot of people are actually learning 102 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,440 about this currently more like you feel that energy shift I'd 103 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,200 say but also because people are not aware of that but also the 104 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,120 like functional base layer of how we interact with each other 105 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,400 right. The money is broken. 106 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,120 People can like there's two things converging together and 107 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,960 that's why people can be exploited and how you just 108 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,000 explained your view on Bitcoin. I want to explain kind of like 109 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:58,520 this, where if Bitcoin exists in the world and creates the code 110 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:04,120 for a almost perfected truth, right, engineered truth in a 111 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:10,160 base encoded in a base layer. And then on top of that we can 112 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,960 project our energy to build stuff or think about things and 113 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,880 project our energy, you know, on top of this layer and then we 114 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,080 can create new stuff, right? So again, we go from like a 115 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,560 coded base layer to directed energy to realization of 116 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,960 whatever physical things there are, right? 117 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,560 And I love that you just said that because this is one of the 118 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,040 things I want to write about it. So Bitcoin touches on these 119 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,840 things. And I know that maybe for some 120 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:39,000 people who listening now, we're like, OK, where did these guys 121 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,440 just end up in 5 minutes? But this is also, for me, this 122 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,760 signal that Bitcoin is really fucking huge like this. 123 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,080 It's it's not just the technology, it's the moment in 124 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,960 time. It's the the problem it's 125 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,040 solving. It's everything like the timing 126 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,600 is right also and that is also very very special. 127 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,480 So I just want to to give that reflection because I am 128 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,680 somewhere in the same realm I think of, yeah? 129 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,400 It's the same thought red with slightly thought thread with 130 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,800 slightly different words. Yeah, I totally agree. 131 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,400 Yeah, so. The first question I actually 132 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,600 wanted to ask you, maybe the answer is very simple. 133 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,720 How does a guy growing weed in Northern California get 134 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,000 introduced to Bitcoin? Yeah, good question. 135 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,760 Yeah. So yeah, I got into Northern. 136 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,120 I came to Northern California from Southern California, where 137 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:37,080 I grew up in 2009. I was 25 years old and a friend 138 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,680 that I went to high school with, moved up here to go to Humboldt 139 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,120 State University, started getting involved in the cannabis 140 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,400 industry 'cause it was a big, huge growing market taking place 141 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,960 here in Humboldt County. You know the the Emerald 142 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,120 Triangle, the three counties up here where most of the cannabis. 143 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,360 Production. Has taken place, you know, 144 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,160 Trinity, Humboldt and Mendocino County. 145 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:03,240 And so my friend invited me to come up and trim, and I did. 146 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,160 I left my life in Southern California and I knew 147 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,080 immediately when I when I drove in through the forest, I hadn't 148 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,480 even, like, landed entirely in Humboldt. 149 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,200 And I knew that evening, driving into the area like this is, this 150 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,800 is my future. I'm going to get involved in 151 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,200 cannabis. I'm going to produce cannabis. 152 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,880 I wanted to be a part of it. I had an affinity from cannabis, 153 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,840 from a for cannabis from a young age, and I think that that 154 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:30,320 stemmed from the pharmaceutical use that I was exposed to in my 155 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,520 family growing up. I had two PhD parents, one's a 156 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,559 sociologist. My mother and my stepfather was 157 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:43,039 a prescribing psychiatrist. So I got some really witness a 158 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:46,400 lot of the side effects and downfalls pitfalls if you will, 159 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,280 of the Pharmaceutical industry and developed a mistrust at a 160 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,880 very young age for essentially our entire entire societal 161 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,840 construct and developed an affinity for cannabis in my my 162 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,760 mid teens. So for me, I really found like, 163 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,360 felt like I found my calling when I came in, came up to 164 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,000 Humboldt County and I've been here since, I don't know, 15 165 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,640 years now. And as a cannabis producer, I 166 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,680 was predisposed in a lot of ways to understand commoditization, 167 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:21,560 understand supply and demand. And in 2017, at the time, I 168 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:24,360 owned a property that I was in the process of getting 169 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:26,640 permitted. And I actually just gotten the 170 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,480 property permitted by Humboldt County was one of the first 171 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,800 people, like the 35th or the 40th permit or something to get 172 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,720 signed full final approval from the county for cannabis 173 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,360 cultivation. And I was awaiting approval from 174 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,920 the state of California. And this was December of 2017 175 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,600 where I was exposed like for real to Bitcoin and had like the 176 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,160 real conversation about it. Like, hey, here's this thing 177 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,000 that's truly decentralized in this format and there's these, 178 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,680 there's a supply cap. And because of that 179 00:09:57,680 --> 00:10:00,440 predisposition, from my experience being a cannabis 180 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,040 producer and at that time I just bought my first property and I 181 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,320 had previously spent like the last, the prior 12 months or the 182 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,200 previous 12 months really digging into understanding 183 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,080 monetary policy, the Federal Reserve and the mortgages and 184 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,440 the boom bust cycles, 'cause now I had a heavy incentive to 185 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,080 understand that I'm standing on, you know, a 17 acre parcel with 186 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,720 2600 square foot house and I'm in the process of getting this 187 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,880 thing approved by the the state for a cannabis facility similar 188 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,920 to this. So yeah, that was when I was 189 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,200 introduced to Bitcoin and it immediately made sense. 190 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,160 And and and actually it was one of the things that I would say 191 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,880 was the biggest catalyst for me to pivot my business model and 192 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,080 sell the the farm. Because I had a lot, there was a 193 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,040 lot of regulatory uncertainty, there was an enormous amount of 194 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,440 counterparty risk, the volatility within the cannabis 195 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,680 industry. Yeah, I basically realized that 196 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:57,760 my dream come true was something that I needed to change. 197 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,880 And so as a result, at the end of the second year of owning it, 198 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,920 after getting it approved fully licensed, I sold it. 199 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,880 And then I started to take on my Bitcoin position. 200 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,680 And since then, the more that I've learned, you know, I 201 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:15,840 listened to Jeff Booth maybe 9-12 months ago, somebody was 202 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,000 interviewing them. They asked him about his his 203 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,920 allocation to Bitcoin and I loved his answer. 204 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,600 He essentially said the more he's determined that it's 205 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,000 unprobable, the higher the probability of success. 206 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,240 And his his evolving determination of that success, 207 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,800 the higher here is percentage allocation has become. 208 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,480 And so that's kind of what I went through as well. 209 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,560 And so over the last many years, I've just got converted 210 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:42,360 everything that I was holding on to that had any monetary energy 211 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,680 in it into Bitcoin and at times did so sweating bullets with the 212 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:49,440 understanding that like I could wake up tomorrow and this thing 213 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:53,440 could be a lot more money. And so yeah, and it's been very 214 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,280 transformative for me just in in all. 215 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,800 And so in most of the ways actually that would be hard. 216 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,400 I'd have to play a game of like I wonder how what areas of my 217 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,240 life Bitcoin hasn't touched would be would be the exercise. 218 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,640 Yeah. I have a similar experience I 219 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,920 think yeah. So how how do you connect and 220 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,560 like your experience and and interested in in cannabis and 221 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:19,840 trying to establish that yourself to Bitcoin is that then 222 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:25,800 and this is kind of my I'm projecting here a bit right. 223 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,720 But like my view on cannabis is, this is a plant. 224 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,080 This is a nature given given by by nature. 225 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,600 And if we go back to, like, the structural code of the nature, 226 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,280 in some way it helps us, the humans, because it connects with 227 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:45,960 us, Yeah, to view the world that we live in or our thoughts, you 228 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,440 know, internal, external, however you want to define that 229 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,560 right in a different way. So I'm a I'm a big cannabis 230 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,600 proponent in a sense. Yeah, it's just a plant, right? 231 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,400 But I can imagine that if if you have a regular thought about or 232 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:05,440 a similar thought about that, that that when you think like, 233 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,360 OK, I want to grow this, you have to go to this person, that 234 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,080 person, that state, you have to wait for those approvals. 235 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,800 Like, am I, am I walking in the right direction in a sense? 236 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,040 Like, is that where you can like see what the power of the 237 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,920 government is over what is basically a plant, right? 238 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,280 Yeah. So there's a handful of threads 239 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,800 that I could pull on there, and I guess we'll just run through 240 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,800 them, try to distill them down to keep them comprehensive. 241 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:34,600 I believe there's a lot of parallels between Bitcoin and 242 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,720 cannabis in the sense of I feel like you have this game of whack 243 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,520 A mole where if you try to oppress something that the 244 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,640 market wants, it's going to figure out how to pop up and 245 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,280 show up somewhere else. And so, and I would say also 246 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,160 that the prohibition of cannabis has been alignment with the 247 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,400 progressive change in the reserve standard and the 248 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,000 debasement of our currency over the last 100 years. 249 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,320 And so there's a lot of parallels there. 250 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,000 I also think that there's an ethos between cannabis which 251 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,600 kind of goes back to that whack, A mole analogy of fuck you, 252 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,200 we're going to do what's right, you know what we think to be 253 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,000 right, even if it's harder, we have to pay a price to do so. 254 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,640 You know, other thing a sailor says is, you know, history is 255 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,160 full of people who were willing to die for what they believed 256 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,040 in. And so over the last however 257 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,600 long since the 30s, since prohibition really took place, 258 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,600 like millions and millions of Americans said, hey, you know 259 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:32,680 what? We're going to consume, we're 260 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,360 going to produce and we're going to sell this, this, this plant. 261 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,680 I also think that there is was a need in some sense to suppress 262 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,640 things that have the effects that cannabis do on 263 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,400 consciousness. And that's a whole large 264 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,200 conversation. But if I were going to distill 265 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,120 it down to the most basics, the best way that I could put that 266 00:14:54,120 --> 00:15:00,480 is, is I believe cannabis has this ability to accentuate your 267 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,360 thought process. That high feeling I think is an 268 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,800 enhancement that we get of our senses and I think it has a 269 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:14,200 calibrating modulatory effect. And I think it it's, it almost 270 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:20,600 like in some sense calibrates your empathy region within you 271 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,160 and I and I you can say that when like, and for me if I go 272 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,040 long periods of time without ingesting cannabis in any form 273 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,360 and I do you get hit with that wave. 274 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,760 People speak to of like paranoia where it's kind of like oh, did 275 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,800 I say that thing like I was a little harsh. 276 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,080 I was a little rude, like I've been behaving too hubristically. 277 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,440 I, you know what, I shouldn't have done that thing. 278 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,200 I was kind of hard on that person or hey, you know, I 279 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:43,760 snapped with my wife. I kind of feel bad. 280 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,920 And so I think that the suppression of cannabis was a 281 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:52,000 requirement in some sense and the promotion of like the so 282 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,040 many parallels like the degradation of our society, the 283 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,760 promotion of like the intoxication from 284 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:02,320 pharmaceuticals and alcohol and then the ban on mind altering 285 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,640 substances because they're all mind altering caffeine, 286 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,680 cannabis, LSD, psilocybin, alcohol, pharmaceuticals, 287 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,560 SSRI's, barbiturates, whatever you can put all of these 288 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,080 products, tobacco, they're all really fall, as far as I'm 289 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,360 concerned into the same bucket. And if you look at which ones 290 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:23,360 are banned, they're the ones that expand your ability to see 291 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,240 in multiple layers what is taking place in our reality. 292 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,160 They're enhancers in my humble opinion. 293 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,560 And so yeah, that there's, yeah, there's a lot there. 294 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,840 I kind of. There's a third thought that I 295 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,160 wanted to tie into that but lost my train there. 296 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,200 Yeah, yeah, all. Good. 297 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,120 Yeah. I I love what you said about it 298 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:51,120 brings you I think more in alignment of like the true 299 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,800 energy that is inside you. Right. 300 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:59,680 Like the the the you're you're you can free yourself a bit from 301 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,119 the from the programming that everyone is I think a sub a 302 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,680 subject to right. And of course that is not what 303 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,200 the government wants. It's really interesting. 304 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,920 I have a big book on cannabis here, which is about also like 305 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,319 Dutch history on cannabis. And just I watched also a 306 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:17,440 documentary about history in America. 307 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,040 Right. And it's it's interesting that 308 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:26,560 why there was a prohibition where all these like very gnarly 309 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:31,320 incentives and quotes, I think you know about why why they 310 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,120 banned it. But there's never a real 311 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:35,840 argument against it. And that is just a bunch of 312 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:41,280 like, basically, right, Like, like, well, well, so yeah, two 313 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,720 things. So what you just said, like, if 314 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,720 you know, truly know that this is you think this is a good 315 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,920 thing, you know, where there's no hubris, But there is a lot of 316 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,000 humility and you know that this could have a positive effect on 317 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,400 people, Then you want to promote it, then you want to use it, 318 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,240 then you want to grow it, basically. 319 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,880 Right. And I feel it's the same as with 320 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,960 Bitcoin eventually. Sometimes I see people say about 321 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,360 Bitcoin, there are no informed critiques, right? 322 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:11,920 And it always sounds very like full of hubris, right when 323 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,800 someone says. It, yeah, but. 324 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,320 It's actually true because the only the. 325 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,240 Most probabilistic is what I. Would say also. 326 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the. 327 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,240 One the arguments you see against Bitcoin, they are 328 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,960 actually full of hubris. Totally. 329 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,080 You know, like I had a guy yesterday on Twitter who like 330 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:37,600 listed all of his experience in finance to substantiate his 331 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,120 argument that Bitcoin was a Ponzi. 332 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:43,200 After I said if you say Bitcoin is a Ponzi, you disqualify 333 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,120 yourself. Yeah. 334 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,600 And so it's he. Showed you what software and 335 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,320 what programming he's running. He's like, yo, I'm running all 336 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,000 these Keynesian programs and this is my yeah. 337 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:54,800 Exactly. Yeah, exactly. 338 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,720 Yeah. No updates received, right. 339 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:57,960 Yeah. But I totally. 340 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,120 But that alignment I think is interesting. 341 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:05,720 I perhaps there's more subjects like that right. 342 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:11,040 But once you really understand, you know I think it goes even 343 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,120 further back like a first principle that you are not 344 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:15,160 better than another human or something, right. 345 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:20,280 Like so if other humans rule over you, but but they don't 346 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,080 know anything about the subject that you know everything about 347 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,560 and you can honestly, without hubris, with all your humility, 348 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,400 say this is not a bad thing. And then someone else who's not 349 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,720 better than you does say it's a bad thing. 350 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,680 And actually because they have power, they will not give you a 351 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,520 license, right? Or not give you permission to 352 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,160 own something or or do something. 353 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,040 I think that is where some people take the rat pill in a 354 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:49,080 sense where you realize, hey, there's no rationale here. 355 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:55,720 Like this person is like, you know, applying their power over 356 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,800 me basically. And that's when totally, when 357 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,160 you know you're right, actually, when someone else says you're 358 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,160 wrong, without substance, you know you're right. 359 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,400 Basically, yes. Interesting, interesting. 360 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,680 I love that. Now that's a that's a good 361 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,560 comparison, I think. So Recently you started making 362 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,800 videos on X like what's this? You know, sharing your thoughts 363 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,240 and enthusiasm about Bitcoin. Like, what's the what's the 364 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,880 motivation behind that? Well, it's multifaceted. 365 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,440 I would say that. The first thing is, is that I 366 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,400 just wanted to expand my conversational reach. 367 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,120 I wanted to connect with other like minded individuals. 368 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,880 I wasn't actually didn't think it was going to be as effective 369 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,440 as it has been. I learned all up until, I think, 370 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,400 I don't know, a little bit before Thanksgiving, maybe 371 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,880 August, September, I got onto Twitter, started to try to 372 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,920 figure out how to tap into the Twitter community and look at 373 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,240 what was happening there pertains to to Bitcoin Twitter. 374 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,000 But really, as far as content and and education, what I've 375 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,640 been, what I've learned from is listening to all of the podcasts 376 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,960 and interviews on YouTube and then listening to audiobooks. 377 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,240 And so for me in Northern California, you know, I I feel 378 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,520 like I spend my life just talking to the same 15 people 379 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,760 all day long about all of these profound root Bitcoin, you know, 380 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,560 ideas that I'm grappling with. And I really just wanted to 381 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,840 expand my conversational reach, First off, and then secondly, I 382 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:29,840 feel like we at scale are manifesting A collective reality 383 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,280 like you. And this is the way I think 384 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,240 about in term in life, like you live your own reality and 385 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,880 there's a lot of things that are very subjective to you. 386 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,720 And and I'm living my own individual reality, but we're 387 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,240 coming in, we're meeting in this collective reality. 388 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,800 And I feel like, you know, there's a lot of dialogue around 389 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,640 how does this go. And I feel like it's still up in 390 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,080 the air. Is this, this, Do we have hyper 391 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,160 bitcoinization? And the Trojan horse of freedom 392 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,720 made it into the castle. And now do the do the do the 393 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,880 entities inside of that Trojan horse, do they jump out and 394 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,760 everyone just celebrates and lives abundance and has this big 395 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,360 party or is there like a bloody feud. 396 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:14,680 And I actually don't think we're in for a bloody feud. 397 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,640 And I think that a lot of people and heavy, heavy bitcoiners 398 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,040 think that we're in for potential civil civil war and 399 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,480 revolution. And I just think because of the 400 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,720 fundamental inversion and the incentive structure and the 401 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:34,640 physicality of property that if the sociopathic overlording 402 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,920 people who are incentivized to do things that are not good for 403 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,360 us and not good for our planet, Planet Given our Fiat paradigm 404 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:48,720 which just evolved from I think that was the best solution to a 405 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,480 reality where every everything was physical. 406 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,160 And now that we have this metaphysical property, the 407 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,880 inversion, and the inversion in the incentives means that if 408 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,960 you're a sociopathic leader, it's actually you don't even 409 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,920 need to do things that fuck the world up to get the most. 410 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,760 You do the right thing to get the most. 411 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,840 And I actually think that if you're a sociopath who's willing 412 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,000 to do the wrong thing to kill and steal and to acquire the 413 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,440 most energy, I would argue that most of them don't get their 414 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,920 jollies off doing it, that they would actually still prefer to 415 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,000 do the right thing to get the most. 416 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,600 And now because of the metaphysical nature and the 417 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:30,680 inviolability of property of Bitcoin, the way to get it is, 418 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,640 is to negotiate with the people. And I also think that, you know, 419 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,120 a sailor, I heard sailor say this, you know, if you have a 420 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:40,280 ruling class and you have a bunch of people who don't have 421 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,120 any power, they look at you with contempt. 422 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,760 Well, if they have power, you're looked at with respect. 423 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,560 And I really like that. And so I do think that we're not 424 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:54,040 in for some nasty transition. But I also feel like it's all 425 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,840 probabilistic because this hasn't happened yet and I and I 426 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,640 think in terms of, you know, Bashar Abraham Hicks and the law 427 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,600 of attraction or the work that Joe dispenses doing and the 428 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,760 quantum physicists in the world and the double slit experiment. 429 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,720 And so I would, because I don't know anything, I'm open to 430 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,760 everything and that seems to have the most probable 431 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,640 explanation as far as I could tell. 432 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,520 We live in this simulated reality, and I think it's 433 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,560 probabilistic, that it's a simulation. 434 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:28,720 And I think that as a result, we have an opportunity to create 435 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,640 whatever outcome we want, but it requires focus and attention. 436 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,880 And so I wanted to share my thoughts at at more scale than I 437 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,040 was to attempt, even if it's in the most infinitesimal manner, 438 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,880 to help affect the future outcome, I want to pull that 439 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,600 reality out of the quantum field. 440 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,280 It's the observer who at least changes the wave into a 441 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,600 particle. And so I want to throw that and 442 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,960 I want to fuel that. I want to feel that, I want to 443 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,640 integrate that few vision for a future. 444 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,000 I want to put focus on that one to help balance out some of the 445 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,120 fear that we have. And the fear I think stems from 446 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:08,080 like, it's hard wired programming. 447 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,640 It's like inherited ancestral trauma from the just forever 448 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,760 Ness of the physicality of property in the game, theoretic 449 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,720 fuckness in the reality that we live in. 450 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,520 And so I I refer to that as looking at the new world through 451 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,280 the lens of the old world. And if you do so, then what you 452 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,960 see is this very tumultuous future. 453 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,880 But I think the fabric of our reality is fundamentally 454 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,760 different now. And as a result, I think that 455 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,240 the future is probabilistically going to be quite beautiful. 456 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,520 And I think we're going to usher it in at an unfathomable rate. 457 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,440 And I just want to shed light on that. 458 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,640 I want to put the orange spotlight on that one because 459 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,120 and and and maybe to a certain degree you can say maybe I'm 460 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:52,120 just self deluded and I have a cognitive bias and thinking that 461 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,840 way makes me feel better. But if I think that way and I 462 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,920 feel better than my my reality becomes better and then am I 463 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,720 creating that reality for myself? 464 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,400 It's like you're. Actually doing it. 465 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,560 It's it's, I hear a few things here, right? 466 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,160 It's walking the talk. It's doing the work, right. 467 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:18,360 It's actually the projection of the energy in your mind to a 468 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:24,680 broader reality than just your personal experience, I'd say. 469 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,840 Right? So you're basically practicing 470 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,400 what I also see as the laws of the universe verse, right? 471 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,800 And how energy flows towards creating energy and attention 472 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,960 towards creating something. So I think you're walking the 473 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,240 talk of your beliefs in a sense. Well, I appreciate at. 474 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,640 Least an attempt. At least an attempt, right? 475 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:45,480 Yeah. Yeah. 476 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,040 And that's the one thing that I know I can do. 477 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,480 I know that I can. I know that I can put forth the 478 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,680 effort. What comes with that the the, I 479 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,920 don't know, but I know that I can make take the action. 480 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,560 And I do think that in terms of the law of attraction is your 481 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,800 reality. Your vibrational frequency is 482 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,760 being mirrored to you in the world around you. 483 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,480 And the more time I grow up but. That works. 484 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,560 That works. You because you triggered me, 485 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,600 right? I mean that's totally one 486 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,760 example but I feel that that is that is what should illustrate 487 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,120 it that what you put out you will also receive and I think 488 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:30,320 hopefully I can help you know with a small contribution to you 489 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:32,880 know sharing your thoughts again further, right. 490 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,520 So I think that is exactly the mechanism that that you just 491 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,400 mentioned and and how we can help each other and that's what 492 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,200 I personally really see in Bitcoin, this mutual benefit of 493 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,560 adopting Bitcoin that is actually just amazing, right. 494 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:57,240 Like the whole 0 sum game that existed before this will be 495 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,080 gone. At least you know that's the 496 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,720 projection in the future I'd say. 497 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,360 But I think that is what you're talking about. 498 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,320 Just a mutual benefit of adopting Bitcoin for anyone at 499 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,400 any level at that doesn't really matter with any experience, age, 500 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,880 whatever, you know. That's the beauty of Bitcoin, 501 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,280 I'd say. Yeah, you know, like Sandler 502 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,520 says, it's the only ethic. It's the ethical investment. 503 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,000 And I think that this is, you know, if you look at the new 504 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,440 world from the lens of the new world as I like, those are words 505 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,880 that I like to use. I like Jeff Booth. 506 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,440 He speaks to it. And you can't look at the new 507 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,080 system through the lens of the old system. 508 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,280 We're speaking to the same thing. 509 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:40,280 You can't see you and I have just debate after debate with 510 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,840 intelligent individual who gets has this hang up point where 511 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,880 they just can't understand the the the fact that it's you can't 512 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:53,720 Co opt it and how no matter like in every way even. 513 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:54,920 So this is one of the things I say. 514 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,480 So every time someone buys Bitcoin, it's good for everybody 515 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,040 who owns Bitcoin and it's good for everybody who doesn't own 516 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,040 Bitcoin. It's good for everybody. 517 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,240 And people can't see that. You know, if I if I buy more 518 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,520 Bitcoin and I don't buy a rental house, for example, to save my 519 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,920 economic energy, that's downward price pressure on houses. 520 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,880 And in a feed out paradigm that's more of a liquidity 521 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,960 crisis because you have debt these houses back but also like. 522 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,120 And so that strengthens the Bitcoin that makes houses more 523 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,800 affordable for people who don't own homes even if they don't own 524 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,720 Bitcoin. Yeah. 525 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,080 So I think there's just a big, a big hang up there and but also 526 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,400 if the ADIQ plebs can figure it out, everybody else will. 527 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,440 It's just and I think that it's like the 100th monkey thing. 528 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,080 I, you know, there's this, I forget why I heard this. 529 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,000 My wife speaks to this often at, you know, there's this idea that 530 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,000 after 144,000 people channel an idea, it like permeates with 531 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,560 through a culture at scale or at some hyper rate. 532 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,640 And I think we're there. I think we're experiencing it. 533 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,400 I think more and more people are waking up to this thing every 534 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,440 single day and it's the incentive too. 535 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,960 And the thing that's so beautiful, one of the many 536 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,440 things so beautiful is, is how the ethical investments, the 537 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,200 ethical monetary network, it the the new reality, if you will. 538 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,160 It's like we discovered bedrock. It's a new world. 539 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,520 We all just are going to go there now where there's infinite 540 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,080 abundance and freedom for everybody. 541 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,320 I lost it. That was a good one. 542 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,000 I was deep. The monkeys. 543 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,680 I will go, I'll, I'll pull, I'll pull around. 544 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,400 OK you know you were talking about the monkeys but but but 545 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,120 that's actually a fascinating number. 546 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,920 I, I, I'm, I'm, lately I've been getting into this a bit more 547 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:45,520 like these thoughts about if how many people do we need to 548 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,560 actually create a certain change right. 549 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,240 And I think you just what did you just say 140,000 something 550 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,320 140? 4. 551 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,120 Like, that sounds minuscule and doable, right? 552 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,440 And I think that is so, so fascinating Tipping. 553 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,040 Point. Probably. 554 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,240 Yeah. Yeah. 555 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,720 It's yeah. But that's so fascinating that 556 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,720 it's also I think a part of the like programming you have like 557 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,080 what is my influence. I don't have a lot of influence. 558 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,320 I'm just me. Right. 559 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:22,160 But if you understand something like this, then you know that a 560 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,680 movement doesn't involve that that much, right. 561 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,480 I think you just said off off mic before we started. 562 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,280 Like if, if you can have a big enough group that have like a 563 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,880 common ground of understanding of a certain, yeah, philosophy 564 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,880 or future projection, and in this case, you know, a 565 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,280 combination with a certain technology, then that is already 566 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,440 what connects us, right? And then it doesn't really 567 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,720 matter if you're from Northern California and I'm from Western 568 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,760 Europe and someone comes in from an Arab country or Australia. 569 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,320 We already bonded on a foundational level. 570 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,560 So we can skip that whole part basically and move together. 571 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,760 Yeah, yeah. And I think that I think that 572 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,120 what you're speaking to is like, if you look at it through, you 573 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,920 know, Tesla says if you want to understand the secrets of the 574 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,760 universe, you need to think in terms of energy, vibration and 575 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,880 frequency. And I think that Bitcoin, 576 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,600 because it's this mass truth protocol, it's it's essentially 577 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:33,400 this fixed and movable object that we're all tethering to and 578 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,080 tethering our economic energy to. 579 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,920 We're all thinking about the exact same thing. 580 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,680 We're looking at the same list. It's the same addresses. 581 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,480 It's the same 21 million coins and it's at the largest. 582 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,320 It's at scale, it's it's all across the entire planet. 583 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,960 I think for all of known history, we've organized 584 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,840 ourselves around things and in a much or in in a less effective 585 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,160 way by orders of magnitude. Even with religion, you could 586 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,320 take any religion. The the stories were all 587 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,080 slightly different. They're slightly different 588 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,920 ideologies, but they're all kind of subscribing to the same idea 589 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,920 of there's this, you need to be good to people. 590 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,680 We come from a place, we go to a place. 591 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,800 There's common themes. And so with Bitcoin, because of 592 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,360 this Mass consensual reality that we're all like, moving 593 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,640 into, we're tuning ourselves vibrationally and agreeing upon 594 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,800 this thing, and it's connecting us at a level in which we have 595 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,000 never connected before, you know, at scale. 596 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,000 Well, yeah, in a disruptible base layer, it's basically, 597 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,160 yeah, well, it's the mass. Agreeance. 598 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,280 It's like there's so if I'm, if I'm if I am hanging out with a 599 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,920 group of individuals and we're talking about some some 600 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,560 ideology. And on the other side of the 601 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,600 planet there's a group of individuals talking about a 602 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,680 symbol the same ideology but they're doing it with different 603 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,920 gods. For example. 604 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,960 You know like take the Native Americans versus like the Roman 605 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,360 Empire for example. We had they had these religious 606 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,800 beliefs you could say the spiritual realm but they there 607 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,640 was a mass distortion there or there was a a huge divide and 608 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,920 and that story in this specific details around those stories 609 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,679 that they were using to interpret the world around them 610 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:18,400 causing them to individually and collectively vibrate at a 611 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,960 different frequency. And so I think Bitcoin is 612 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,120 attuning us. It's calibrating us. 613 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,400 It's this is what I think I was going to say. 614 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,480 It's aligning the the the the what is it? 615 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,440 It's aligning the end of the the best for the individual with 616 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,960 what's best for the collective. And people can't really see that 617 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,040 'cause it's the first time in human history And so it's tuning 618 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,880 us all. We're all we're all starting to 619 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,159 ascend to a higher state of consciousness collectively 620 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,480 because we're tuning to the same frequency. 621 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,800 And then if you layer in on top of that, that now you have 622 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,320 metaphysical property. And I'm now becoming everyday 623 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:58,440 more and more absolved from the trauma induced from the 624 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:03,080 traumatic experiences that myself and all of my known as 625 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,880 ancestors forever had to endure trying to protect themselves 626 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,400 from plunder. And now we have a technology 627 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,920 that allows you to insulate yourself from plunder and 628 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,360 violence in a way that you've never been able to in all of 629 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,720 known history. And it's absolving us of like 630 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:22,240 mass stress and cortisol, allowing us to creating a 631 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,600 feedback loop of I feel better and I'm less stressed if I have 632 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:31,360 my Physiology is feels better, I'm thinking better thoughts, 633 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,000 then in turn I'm taking more action, my dopamine and my 634 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,600 serotonin and all my things are firing and wired. 635 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,160 I'm incentivized to do the hard thing that's right over the long 636 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,960 term, that's going to yield me the most. 637 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,560 And that feedback loops takes place. 638 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,680 And I think it's happening at mass scale, honestly. 639 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,640 And that was what that is part of what I really want to shed 640 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,840 light on and then contribute to this movement, even if it's in 641 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,000 the most minuscule ways. Because I think that people are 642 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,480 missing that. You know, I was listening to a 643 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,680 Gabor Matte conversation. I don't know if you're familiar 644 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,080 with the Gabor matte, but he does a lot of work on trauma and 645 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,600 addiction. He says that it's the traumatic 646 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,400 experiences. So if you're traumatized, you 647 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,480 experience something traumatizing, but the trauma 648 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,120 takes place within you as a result of that traumatizing 649 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,480 experience. And we carry that forward. 650 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,240 And I think at Mass, Bitcoin is transmuting this trauma within 651 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:33,640 us that we, I think also pass on and inherit ancestrally due to 652 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,760 the vibrational nature of our reality. 653 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,280 And like epigenetics, you know, and the ability for the genetic 654 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,880 code to update itself so quickly in an environment where if you 655 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,200 take an exact copy of a species and you put them into different 656 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,440 environments. Like if I take a clone of these 657 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,040 plants and I put one in a shitty environment and one in a really 658 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,360 good environment, I'm going to get a different physiological, 659 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,640 physiological response from those plants. 660 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,200 It's different phenotypic expression. 661 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:03,280 And so if the genes can spit out such a different response to its 662 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,920 environment that quickly that's an indicator to me that we 663 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,600 really can upgrade and update our genetic code as we pass it 664 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,360 on to our descendants. And I think that out like scale 665 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:19,200 the cellular that like our genetic code and on a cellular 666 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:25,120 level like pain trauma and like toxicity is being transmuted and 667 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,880 I think it's happening at a fat hyper rate. 668 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:32,640 And I just, you know I I think that some people some people are 669 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,160 seeing that at this point and I, you know I want to participate 670 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,080 in that conversation you know and and and also it's like you 671 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,840 said am I, am I tripping, am I fucking nuts. 672 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,280 Because you know what I could wake up tomorrow and everything 673 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,800 that I ever thought to be true could be entirely wrong. 674 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,040 You know, I have to maintain that humility. 675 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,880 And just this is my most probabilistic logical 676 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,760 assessment, the reality that I'm experiencing. 677 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,640 Yeah. And so I just think, you know, 678 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,880 honestly, it's the biggest deal in human history. 679 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,600 This is all the case. This is all like, if so, then 680 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,520 you live in a new world, you know, and I don't think it's 681 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,640 going to be tumultuous, tumultuous transition, you know, 682 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,240 I don't think it's going to be some nasty thing. 683 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,440 And this is then also, yeah, I mean, I I fully agree. 684 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,520 I love this is also what I was aiming for with this 685 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,840 conversation like this zooming out, like what is this bigger 686 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,520 picture that is taking place. And I also had, you know I saw 687 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,320 you in one of your videos, you said like Satoshi fixed our 688 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,240 reality. That is basically what you just 689 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,800 illustrated, right. Because that new. 690 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:41,080 This is my trend translation, because this new reality of this 691 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,040 new base layer of truth is actually there. 692 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:51,080 We who are basically operating on top of that base layer of 693 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,800 truth, at least between each other, right? 694 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:58,320 Together build new things, realize new movements or 695 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:04,640 whatever do things together. As humans, we also get the 696 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,800 freedom to actually work on these traumatic experiences, 697 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,880 right. And or work through them or as 698 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,360 you said like transmute them and lose them actually. 699 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,600 So that the generation that comes after us which will also 700 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,280 live on this truth based layer will have less of that. 701 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,320 And that's eventually will be good for the entirety of 702 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,520 humanity. Because then there it is no 0 703 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,240 sum game anymore. It's it's back to a together 704 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,800 game basically a mutual beneficial relationship between 705 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,200 any human wherever they live basically. 706 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:41,920 That's kind of my translation here. 707 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:42,880 Yeah. Yeah. 708 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,000 I like that, yeah. So in terms of, it's like it's 709 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,000 calibrating us. You know the county has to come 710 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,040 through it from the. Grounds and they grounds us. 711 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,360 That's it, yeah. Yeah, The county comes through 712 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,800 with once a year and they, you know they have a little box with 713 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,040 these weights and they put on white gloves and they calibrate 714 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,440 our scales so that when we're selling you know, certain 715 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,520 volumes for certain weights of our products that the scale is 716 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,000 actually reading right. And so in some sense, for all 717 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,480 of. Known history. 718 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,280 We've all been out of calibration. 719 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,680 We're struggling to calibrate. Yeah, and so. 720 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,600 When you know you talked about your involvement in cannabis, 721 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,720 how you how you viewed that. Then you found Bitcoin. 722 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:30,640 Like I know you love Jeff Booth. You listened a lot to him as 723 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:31,440 well. Like what? 724 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,800 What kinds of first principles influence your thinking about 725 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,240 Bitcoin and like the topics it touches? 726 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:44,040 Like, are there any things that that you'd like to follow that 727 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,480 help you in your thinking? Totally. 728 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:52,120 And I would say on that note, Jeff Booth's work was absolutely 729 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,160 pivotal and important for me in my life. 730 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,400 And my understanding, the evolution of my understanding of 731 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,960 what of the forces and that are taking place in the world around 732 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,440 me. And when with the Price of 733 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:09,480 Tomorrow and his, you know, shedding such beautiful light on 734 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,840 the deflationary forces of our reality. 735 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,480 That helped me really put words to and understand what I've 736 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,280 experienced as a cannabis producer, which is a commodity. 737 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,720 And that supply is always meeting demands and in the 738 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:27,480 process of commoditization, if you have a large in profit, you 739 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,560 have a large incentive for capital and entrepreneurs to 740 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,240 flow into that sector of the marketplace and up the supply 741 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:38,200 relative to the demand driving down the value, you know and and 742 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,760 Booth said it was the first person I'd said heard say that 743 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,360 the price of everything drops to its marginal cost of production. 744 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,120 And so I have two things that are three things that are 745 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,880 working against me as a cannabis producer. 746 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,840 You know, it's like Sailor said, we have an existential crisis. 747 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,800 He had $500 million on the balance sheet. 748 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,920 It was a melting ice cube. He's got this company that the 749 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,280 basement's taking place. If his cash flows aren't 750 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,200 increasing as fast as the debasement or the real inflation 751 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,240 rate, he's getting a haircut. And so all that really helped me 752 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:11,880 to understand that I have commoditization. 753 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,320 The force of commoditization is supplied to meeting demand, 754 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,080 dropping the price of the the, the product that I produce. 755 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:21,000 Then I have jurisdictional competition. 756 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,560 You know for example, California has high taxes, there's high 757 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,280 fees and as a business producer in California I have a high 758 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,320 cost. The energy costs in Northern 759 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:36,680 California per kWh, I think I want to say it's like $0.15 an 760 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,960 average, $0.20 an average per kWh used to run this facility. 761 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,160 And in Oklahoma, it's a lot easier to get permitted or 762 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,040 licensed and approved and the cost of living is less and the 763 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,640 taxes are less and the energy is less. 764 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,120 So I'm at a market disadvantage because of jurisdictional 765 00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,640 competition. And a layer on top of that, the 766 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,600 third force that's making our lives hard and we all have 767 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,880 certain flavors of this depending on where we reside in 768 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,040 the marketplace. But that's the monetary 769 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,040 inflation coupled with the deflationary rate reality of our 770 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,160 world. And so my cost of living is 771 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:20,320 going up denominated in dollars and my the cost of the commodity 772 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,760 that I produce is going down denominated in dollars. 773 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:31,760 So I I have real, real numerical wage deflation and real cost of 774 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,080 living inflation. So it's like the most extreme 775 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,920 problem to have somebody who's minimum wage if their cost of 776 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,040 living goes up 15% or something over a two year period on 777 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,520 average, but their wages go up 5%, they have the optical 778 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,280 illusion of making money but the cost of living is moving up 779 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,640 faster. But that's that's real wage 780 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,920 deflation even if it's not dollar denominated wage 781 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,240 deflation. So I have an extreme situation 782 00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:01,640 here further incentivizing me to kind of do essentially what 783 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,280 Sailor did is, is that any of my treasury reserve, any of my 784 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,560 surplus, my monetary energy that I have, any other assets, 785 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,560 obviously needs to go into Bitcoin for all the obvious 786 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,120 reasons. But in addition to that, 787 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,760 everything that I can spin off as a surplus also has to go into 788 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,800 Bitcoin. And now here's the cool part. 789 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,480 Those forces. All three of them, as a matter 790 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,640 of fact. Commoditization, Jurisdictional 791 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:31,280 competition and regulatory. Yeah, regulatory competition. 792 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,920 What is drawing a blank here? Excuse me? 793 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,920 Those forces, they'll make my Bitcoin more valuable, you know? 794 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,760 So for me, it's the hedge against these forces that are 795 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,200 fucking making my life fucked, if that makes sense. 796 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,160 So heavily predisposed to adopting a Bitcoin standard. 797 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,000 That and being somebody who's, interestingly enough, not a huge 798 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,400 risk taker, I find it's also be the safest place to have my 799 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,560 economic surplus due to the basement and confiscation and 800 00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,120 etcetera. It's fascinating. 801 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,200 I tweeted this before like I am a control freak and not a risk 802 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,360 take my risk profiles very low and that's exactly why I 803 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,920 Bitcoin, right? I want to, I want to talk more 804 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,760 about this in general, actually to I'm not sure yet how to help 805 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,800 people understand. But this is exactly exactly why 806 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:25,160 I Bitcoin, the fact that I don't want to take that other risk of 807 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,960 mitigating the debasement. And you know, I love having the 808 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,360 example of when you have a job or a venture, you take risk, you 809 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,600 know, in spending your money or like energy, time, energy and 810 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:45,680 time to earn energy back. But yeah, if if it's deflated on 811 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,640 purpose, then when you're home, you have another job, a job that 812 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,280 you didn't know you have before and then you have to, you know, 813 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,400 take more, take more risk and stuff. 814 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,960 Like, I don't, I don't want to do that. 815 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,320 So it's also actually, in a sense, a pretty lazy thing, 816 00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:02,360 right? Like I just say save in Bitcoin. 817 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,400 I sit on my hands, literally. It's not rocket science. 818 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,920 It it, it's hard to actually get to that point. 819 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,880 Like, I totally understand that, right? 820 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:16,520 Like you have to have, you know, get you know, there has to be 821 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,240 certain paths created for you or perhaps what you just shared, 822 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:22,840 right? OK, I am in an industry I love. 823 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,680 I want to stay here. This place is great. 824 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,240 But wow, my my costs are going up and my revenue is going down. 825 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:33,480 I have a serious problem, right? For whereas I always say my own 826 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,960 example sometimes not to pat myself on the chest, but I never 827 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,600 really experienced the problem and I still figured it out. 828 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,200 Like that's really hard. Actually. 829 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:48,600 Yeah, like I I don't know what my path exactly was, but it was 830 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,640 more like a spiritual thing. Almost like, OK, I never had a 831 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,680 problem. I but I'm still participating in 832 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,840 a system that I have no clue about like how this works. 833 00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,280 OK. I need to dive into this right? 834 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,720 And then slowly getting to to grasp like the irrationality and 835 00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:08,800 and how illogical, you know this whole system is that we are 836 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,800 basically all forced to participate in, right? 837 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,360 And so it's interesting that everyone has their own path to 838 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,080 the same conclusion and when you end up at that conclusion, what 839 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,800 you have to do is very very very simple, right? 840 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:27,080 You save in this new system all the excess energy in in forms of 841 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,400 money that you have, you just put into the system and you do 842 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,400 nothing. You don't have to do anything, 843 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,480 you don't have to mitigate risk, you don't have to take more risk 844 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,040 like all these things. So it's interesting that also 845 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:45,280 back to, I'd say, you know like you have to be uncomfortable in 846 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,120 a big way first to then have the easy life, right. 847 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,480 It's hard choice, it's easy life, etcetera. 848 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,400 And that's also for me again like a fun realization or so 849 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,520 interesting about Bitcoin that it even aligns with all those 850 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,480 bigger principles, right, Like these bigger kind of like life 851 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,560 quotes sometimes that you hear what you think. 852 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,600 Like this is my entire experience with Bitcoin and it 853 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,000 fully aligns with this with this reality basically, right. 854 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,800 And I I want to link to like another like an epic rant you 855 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,840 had that I that I saw on Twitter. 856 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,920 You said I think we should all be rational and sell everything 857 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,280 we don't need and buy Bitcoin, which of course sounds 858 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,800 ridiculous if you don't. If you're not. 859 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,280 If you're not at the same point, but when you are at that point, 860 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,960 you totally understand what you are saying, right? 861 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,080 Like, I mean, I have like, I don't know, 1020 pairs of 862 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,120 sneakers and sometimes I see sneakers and I think like, oh, I 863 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,000 want those sneakers now. Fuck no, I don't want those 864 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,240 sneakers. Like I'm selling. 865 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,200 I'm selling stuff left and right to just stack, stack more 866 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,800 Bitcoin and I'm also not consuming anymore like I 867 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,000 previously did, you know in in whatever way and So what? 868 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,880 Like I wanted to get back to that rent like what? 869 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,560 What is your your background or your? 870 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,520 How do you say like your explainer there? 871 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,520 Like if you're rational, you should sell everything you want 872 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,640 for Bitcoin. Yeah, well, I think due to the 873 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,760 fact that it's the first thermodynamically sound monetary 874 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,560 instrument amongst many other things. 875 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,120 But that means that the way to get the most, I think, you know, 876 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,720 it's energy and energy out the way to get the most is now the 877 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:32,640 easy thing which is just ADCA into this one asset. 878 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,440 You know, it's like Sailor when you know Sailor was talking to 879 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:41,440 to Bill you and he's like are you all in on the chair like you 880 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,680 do use rubber band knives, you know. 881 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,840 And so it made sense to allocate levels of energy to figuring out 882 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,080 the the markets and have a diversified portfolio and to 883 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,880 play that game because you had different flavors of risk and 884 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,480 different different reward profiles and every market is 885 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,760 going to be slightly different. But now with Bitcoin, the game 886 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,800 is simple. The simple way to get the most 887 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:03,920 to see. This is where it's so fun of 888 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,800 it's so beautiful. The way to get the most is now 889 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,400 the easiest thing. Yes, and that's why it's so. 890 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,680 Hard to grasp and people. Are just even Ray Dalio's like 891 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,760 like he's like, I don't know. Apparently the the idea is is 892 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,440 that Ray Dalio thinks it's too good to be true and maybe he's 893 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,080 right. I don't know. 894 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,560 It's all probabilistic, yeah. But the easy thing is. 895 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,800 Entirety of life is probabilistic. 896 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,000 Right. But but but sorry to interrupt 897 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,400 but like the what you said about thermodynamically sound that's 898 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,920 like also one of my biggest things I see it. 899 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,880 It's a see it as a 3D cube in cyberspace where physical energy 900 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,680 through mining was put in this physical cube. 901 00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:49,320 And because it's Thermo sorry I've lost the word 902 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,680 thermodynamically sound, that energy, that physical energy 903 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,400 will never leave the little, you know, 3D cube. 904 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,800 Totally. There's 21 million of these 3D 905 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,960 cubes and that's it, that, that's literally it, right? 906 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:10,200 And now you have like coins and little little bills where energy 907 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,160 is stored in but that leaks left and right. 908 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,360 And that's this is the simplest I can. 909 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,280 I think it's the first. Battery that really works in all 910 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,800 of human history. So you have. 911 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,320 To move your energy from whatever you think is money 912 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:30,440 right now and move it into these digital cubes where physical 913 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,760 energy was put in. That's it. 914 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,760 Totally. Yeah. 915 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,000 And it takes. It takes. 916 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,440 It totally does. It takes a lot of work to get 917 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,960 there though. It really does. 918 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,600 You have to you have to really grapple with it all because you 919 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,720 know it's just it's it's it's a paradigm shift. 920 00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:45,400 It's a new world. It's a whole new thing. 921 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,760 Gosh, it's all so many problems and it makes things, so, so many 922 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,000 things, so clear. And I think also a very profound 923 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,280 effect amongst amongst the people in the Bitcoin community 924 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,480 who you can say, have made it to the place where they live 925 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,680 entirely on a Bitcoin standard, or at the very least understand 926 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,920 it. A Bitcoin standard and most, 927 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:11,560 most of its entirety. There, you free up so much 928 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:16,440 cognitive function, so much mental RAM that now like you're 929 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,920 thinking about deeper thoughts, you're you can channel that 930 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,600 energy more into what it is that you love to do. 931 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,520 It's just like you said, if you can live a life and spin off a 932 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,600 surplus, but then you have to go home and figure out how to be a 933 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,120 fund man. You're a slave. 934 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,360 You're you're hijacked. But. 935 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,720 You're a you're a squirrel in the in the in the woods who's a 936 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:40,840 slave to just trying to protect their nuts forever and like 937 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,280 they're just rotting and you have to go get more people are 938 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,160 still, you don't know why. And you don't know if when's. 939 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,960 The winter going to end, do I need? 940 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,160 You're going to take as many as you can and now you have these 941 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,800 metaphysical invisible nuts that don't decay. 942 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,320 And you're not like, making the forest bearer of fucking acorns 943 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:00,880 if you're going to go and procure them. 944 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,680 You're creating abundance in all the physicality of the world 945 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,600 because you can save in this metaphysical nature, dude, all 946 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,080 of the physical. Stuff will be allowed. 947 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,120 Dude, all the physical stuff that people hold just because 948 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,120 they have economic energy in them. 949 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,000 You know, one of the, the last thing that I sold that had that 950 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,840 I could say that without being extreme and selling things that 951 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,600 I that I need and really going a little far on it was a truck. 952 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,680 I had this Tacoma. It's a beautiful truck. 953 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,280 It had suspension and nice camper shell. 954 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,080 It's this timeless pickup truck that I liked, you know, But it's 955 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,720 dilutive of my energy. I have to take care of it. 956 00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:37,920 I have to maintain it. And so letting go of that truck, 957 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,720 I wouldn't have done it without Bitcoin, you know, it's a Toyota 958 00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:42,280 Tacoma. The resale value is pretty good 959 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:43,760 on it. I used it sometimes. 960 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,320 But hold on, wait a second. This thing is diluting my 961 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:47,640 bandwidth. I got to register it. 962 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,520 I got to wash it. I got to think about it. 963 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,280 I need to get rid of it. And the act of doing so isn't 964 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,640 putting more downward price pressure on used vehicles. 965 00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,440 Because I'm like, yo, I don't need a third car. 966 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,440 It's my wife myself. I have a truck. 967 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,480 I don't need a second truck. So you sell the truck. 968 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,160 This is taking place on mass scale and it's good for 969 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,560 everybody. It it's, yeah, it's a big deal, 970 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:16,160 man. Yeah, dude, yeah, I'm, I'm 100% 971 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,520 aligned aligned with you. That's freeing up that mental 972 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,720 energy. That is exactly what it's about, 973 00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:26,400 right. That's also what I just 974 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:31,160 mentioned as like if I'm home, I don't want to mitigate me losing 975 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,640 my monetary energy by making, by taking more risk etcetera. 976 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:39,040 Like I want to move the energy that I have to a system where it 977 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,480 will accrue more value over time because everyone will be putting 978 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,960 in their monetary energy or their their energy there. 979 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:52,040 And that's why it frees up my mind, and then I can move from 980 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:57,800 consumerism to building. We still have to consume, but 981 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,720 you're doing so from a more calibrated RAT purpose. 982 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,800 More purpose, more purpose. More more directed basically, 983 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,480 right. Like this is what I do need. 984 00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,240 This is what I don't need. Yeah. 985 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,440 Well another quote I loved was you said stay humble, stay 986 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,880 solvent, stack sets, you know it's a it's a it's a variant of 987 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,000 the OG like stay humble stack sets like stay solvent is that 988 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,200 was a good addition I think like very important obviously. 989 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:29,120 Why is the theme of humility so common about amongst like people 990 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:38,600 for who Bitcoin has clicked? I think you have to be humble 991 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:43,120 and open to the notion that what you believe to be true could be 992 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:47,440 wrong. And I think that you have to be 993 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,320 able to confront what was a cognitive bias and not 994 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,120 experience cognitive dissonance. So the people who are more open 995 00:55:55,120 --> 00:56:00,280 to receiving new new ideology and new concepts are, I think, 996 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,720 people who are generally less hubristic and convinced that 997 00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:09,160 they have it figured out and then in turn more predisposed to 998 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,120 here. I mean, see the thing with 999 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,280 Bitcoin, it's just, it's so rational. 1000 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,400 It's so incredibly rational. I really do struggle with. 1001 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,600 I don't understand why you know there's at at first glance. 1002 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,600 If you think about it for 30 seconds, you're like, OK, this 1003 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,480 is a Ponzi. This is very interesting, but if 1004 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,080 you think about it for 5 minutes. 1005 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,720 Yeah, it's wild. It's like, OK, well, well, this 1006 00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,040 thing is either they're either going to shut it down or 1007 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,920 basically this changes everything, you know? 1008 00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,080 And so, yeah, the people who are willing to go further than that, 1009 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:38,920 because then I think what happens though is people are 1010 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,880 like, they'll shut it down. And I actually don't think it's 1011 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,080 hubris. I think it's trauma. 1012 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,560 I think people are traumatized deeply and as a result, they 1013 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,400 struggle to see it, Gabor Amante says. 1014 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,800 If you have a traumatizing experience, it creates A wound. 1015 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,160 It's a soft spot, and if you're talking about your life force, 1016 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,080 your energy. Where for all of known history, 1017 00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,360 a sociopath will just psychics take it from you in some 1018 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,680 capacity. We've evolved that now through 1019 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:08,240 this theft of debasement. But your that wound is a soft 1020 00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:09,240 spot. So if you're talking about 1021 00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:11,800 Bitcoin, it was a soft spot there and you develop scar 1022 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,600 tissue around that they can't hear it. 1023 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,200 They're just like, you know what, No, I it's what do you 1024 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,680 mean? This is something that's going 1025 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,520 to can't be taken into base and it'll free us from all this 1026 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,240 shittiness like they're just like no. 1027 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:28,040 But it makes a lot of sense because we always outsource that 1028 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,920 responsibility, right? So it's it's an easy initial 1029 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,560 thought to think like I have no power, someone else will, you 1030 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:40,000 know, use their power over me. So that's why this cannot 1031 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,360 probably be a thing, you know, that's easy cop out, easy 1032 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,240 program, programmed cop out basically, right. 1033 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,160 Which is I think just a natural response. 1034 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,520 But this is also why Bitcoin is difficult to grasp. 1035 00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,960 Because once you think like, no, I do have power and I want that 1036 00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:02,840 power, I want to be sovereign, then you are basically 1037 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,440 confronted with, you know, the second challenge, which is OK, 1038 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,240 but then you have to custody everything you own all your 1039 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,640 wealth yourself. You cannot outsource this 1040 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,680 sovereignty anymore. And then you're like, oh, damn, 1041 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,200 OK, this is another hump I have to get over, right? 1042 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,080 So I also see it as like, it's all these little humps, all 1043 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,520 these little humps where you have to think to yourself, like, 1044 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:27,920 OK, do I want this? No. 1045 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,440 OK. But then, I don't know, like, 1046 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,280 then I'm a slave or then I'm not in control or then I'm not a 1047 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,800 sovereign person. Do I want that? 1048 00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,600 Well, no. OK, Next problem. 1049 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:38,960 Right. And it's like all these little 1050 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,160 steps until you end up at that place. 1051 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,880 Yeah. So if you, if you would meet 1052 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,600 someone and they would say, you know, Eric, I see you talk about 1053 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,720 Bitcoin, but like, what is it and why should I care? 1054 00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,480 Like, what's your What's like the shortest Orange Bill pitch 1055 00:58:55,480 --> 00:59:02,160 you have? I think I would go into, and I 1056 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,960 do this actually, Essentially the physicality of nature and 1057 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,720 the physicality of our reality and the metaphysical nature of 1058 00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,480 Bitcoin and supply versus demand, the simple fundamental 1059 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,200 dynamics, infinite supply for whatever the monetary, the 1060 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,040 chosen monetary technology of a marketplace is money being 1061 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,640 convertible into any other good or service the marketplace can 1062 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,400 produce. You have infinite demands. 1063 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,920 And if you could create infinite scarcity and you could 1064 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,960 dematerialize it and then protect it by a wall of 1065 00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,240 encrypted energy, you now create this essentially new monetary 1066 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,840 instrument within the marketplace that inverts the 1067 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,440 incentive structure, incentivizes peace and also 1068 00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,280 shows the two true deflationary productivity gains and 1069 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,640 advancements amongst the civilization and the populace, 1070 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:54,600 allowing those to flow to the productive class of our society. 1071 00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,760 And then I would just go over some basic and I do this too. 1072 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,440 Hey, you know if you look at the last 100 years like I do, what's 1073 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,000 comes to mind is Sailors PowerPoint presentation and 1074 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,640 Prague. The first one you use slides on 1075 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,880 when you put that out on the board and you just show these 1076 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,880 simple charts of like, look, the monetary debasement is this 1077 01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,240 rate. Miami beachfront properties this 1078 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:15,000 rate. Here's. 1079 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,000 All the assets class station, that's great. 1080 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,800 That's so good. And so you just wipe it down, 1081 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,680 yeah. I'd say that that should be the 1082 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,480 one, right? Because he says it's so good. 1083 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,720 These are all the assets and then this is an. 1084 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:31,720 Intellectually honest person cannot dispute that. 100%. 1085 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,480 And so yeah, I definitely have had the most orange pill 1086 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,040 success. And with those topics, the 1087 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:44,400 metaphysical nature doesn't seem to be the most orange Pilling, 1088 01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,960 but it does actually with some of the people who, you know, I 1089 01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:49,760 can end up in spiritual conversation with. 1090 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,320 You know that I do have times where like I've talked to 1091 01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,040 somebody who doesn't know anything about Bitcoin. 1092 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,920 We're kind of talking about vibrational frequency and the 1093 01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,640 spiritual elements. And the magical NIST that we can 1094 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,400 kind of feel intuitively is in this realm beyond. 1095 01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,680 And when I speak to the emergence of the metaphysical 1096 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,440 and the physical, you know, like Sailor says, Satoshi opened a 1097 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,280 portal and now energy's flowing into cyberspace. 1098 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:17,000 That seems to be thought provoking for people who are 1099 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,240 spiritually inclined and then people who are monetarily 1100 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,040 incentivized. You just breakdown. 1101 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,280 Look, let's get supply demands. Here's the here's the numbers. 1102 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,600 Yep. Nice, all right. 1103 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,440 Do you think wealth equates happiness? 1104 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:41,560 Yes, but I don't measure wealth and monetary exclusively in 1105 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,800 monetary terms. I think so. 1106 01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,760 Bashar, an entity channelled by Daryl Ankin. 1107 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,920 You can just say streaming of consciousness, and I dig it. 1108 01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,000 I like what this guy says. He says totally. 1109 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,000 He says true abundance is your ability to do what you need to 1110 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,480 do when you need to do it. So if you have the ability to do 1111 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,920 what you need to do when you need to do it, you have 1112 01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,360 everything that you'll ever need. 1113 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:16,480 And if you have that and then you build upon that a, I don't 1114 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,000 know, a moral base and how you interact and treat other people 1115 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,800 and and pertains to you want other people to treat yourself 1116 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,120 that way. I think that very quickly you 1117 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:30,040 cultivate a reality for yourself that you would call, or at least 1118 01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,600 I refer to as being, you know, wealthy. 1119 01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,400 If you're wealthy, you're abundant. 1120 01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,320 You're not only wealthy and abundant, monetarily speaking, 1121 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,880 you have to be abundant in love. You have to be abundant in 1122 01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,720 opportunity and community and and I think that actually those 1123 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,640 are the things that are more important, you know, And what 1124 01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,800 actually was really interesting for me that I've kind of just 1125 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,880 had to, I've grappled with slightly recently over the last, 1126 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,080 I would even say like 6 to 8 weeks. 1127 01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,840 You know, I've thought about like what happened if I lost my 1128 01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,640 Bitcoin. It'd be a little less 1129 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:03,520 comfortable, honestly, because money is stored energy, which 1130 01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,040 gives you more optionality, you know, Breedlove says that it's a 1131 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,320 it's a hedge against future uncertainty. 1132 01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,560 I like that description, but the strategy doesn't change. 1133 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,240 Like, I wouldn't go for being this excited video making weed 1134 01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,280 smoking cannabis cultivator who's enthralled on Bitcoin in 1135 01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,480 life to some depressed mop who's got to be dragged under from 1136 01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,880 under the bridge because I've become an alcoholic and I can't 1137 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,200 function anymore because I lost everything and it wrecks my 1138 01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,600 life. Oh, the strategy doesn't change. 1139 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,080 You just go to the marketplace. You do what you love. 1140 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,000 You treat the world around you like you want to be treated. 1141 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,240 You make arrangements, energy exchanges with people that you'd 1142 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,280 be happy to be on both sides of. You do the right thing. 1143 01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,520 I think the right thing is the path of least resistance to 1144 01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,760 getting the most. Because I'm ultimately lazy. 1145 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,160 Like I'm going to show up all the time as soon as I can right 1146 01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,080 when I think I should be there. I don't negotiate with myself, 1147 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:56,200 you know? And so I think that that, yeah, 1148 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,000 that that strategy, it's just doesn't change. 1149 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,680 And so with that, life is now so exciting. 1150 01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:06,040 And if you can see the inversion and the incentive structure, and 1151 01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,480 then you could just watch the forces unfold till it is 1152 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,520 beautiful, you know it. Yeah, it really is. 1153 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,440 I almost want to say it's also entertaining. 1154 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:22,400 Yes, it's totally. To see if that's what you create 1155 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,240 in your mind can actually happen in the. 1156 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,400 Yeah, in the in the reality that you experience. 1157 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:32,280 Right. And so that pursuit today, I 1158 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:36,120 mentioned to you, I was on a podcast of Dutch radio and and 1159 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:38,800 they asked me like, hey, why did you start a podcast? 1160 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,560 And I said, well at one point I just figured out I'm going to 1161 01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,520 talk and think about this for the next 50 years with all these 1162 01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,880 different people around the world like I'm already doing. 1163 01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:53,000 So why why not start a podcast, right. 1164 01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:57,960 And it's actually also a commitment in a sense in in a 1165 01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,360 different way than what you just shared. 1166 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,760 But to just what I envision in my head or like the thoughts 1167 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,640 that I have or the rationale that I go through when I think 1168 01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:11,520 about Bitcoin, where when I end up by myself in a place like I 1169 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,480 need to share that and and and and talk about that with others, 1170 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,480 but also be active on it to see if it will actually happen and 1171 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,920 how. And then then it feels like a 1172 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:27,200 real conscious journey towards a destination that we cannot even 1173 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,640 illustrate. But that doesn't really matter, 1174 01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,560 right? And I think that's a really 1175 01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:38,120 comforting thought in a sense, like a very conscious journey 1176 01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,120 you follow and it doesn't really matter where you end up. 1177 01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,880 And that's, I think that's also, for me, what like wealth is in 1178 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,400 the sense that you are happy with the choice you make in a 1179 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:53,320 certain moment and totally OK with whatever the result is in a 1180 01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:54,680 sense. Makes sense. 1181 01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,640 But it's yeah, I love that, man. I love that. 1182 01:05:58,800 --> 01:05:59,400 Very cool. Yeah. 1183 01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,000 And. It's staying present, you know. 1184 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,880 We only have now. It's only now, as far as we 1185 01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,600 know. You know it's got to be present. 1186 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,080 So you give yourself a direction and a context. 1187 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,120 Yep. And yeah, you're you, you 1188 01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,360 basically allow yourself to go there and see whatever happens, 1189 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,840 happens or something like that, that that also gives you a lot 1190 01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,200 of mental space in the sense I think, yeah. 1191 01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,720 All right. So last question that I ask 1192 01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:28,000 everyone, what's a core belief that you will never let go? 1193 01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:40,920 That's a good one, that we're eternal beings and that what you 1194 01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:46,480 do in this life experience, I don't think you're absolved from 1195 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,880 when this life experience comes to an end. 1196 01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:54,200 And you could say in some sense I do you, you could say I I 1197 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:59,560 subscribe to the idea or believe in that like karmic lineage, 1198 01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:05,920 that karmic loop and yeah, what you do now, you carry. 1199 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,320 I believe that it's there's a common theme through our 1200 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:13,080 civilization. People intuitively know or 1201 01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,160 believe that there's a difference between our 1202 01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:18,840 Physiology and our consciousness or our soul, if you will. 1203 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:24,560 And so I think that what we're doing here, it is super 1204 01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,160 important. It really is. 1205 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:30,560 And I think that the sociopathic, the plunder, the 1206 01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:35,920 game theoretic conundrum created by what I refer to as the Old 1207 01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,920 World, causes people to behave in ways that intuitively I think 1208 01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,720 even if they're unaware that the 2nd and 3rd order effects of 1209 01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:48,920 their Fiat wealth acquisition strategy may have. 1210 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,960 I think that those things permeate and vibrate into their 1211 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,520 soul in some sort of way. And I think that over time, 1212 01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,800 what's so beautiful with Bitcoin is, as Bitcoin is going to 1213 01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,320 release this monetary energy that's been stored up as a 1214 01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,960 result of this shredding of our reality by confiscating life 1215 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,080 force from a poverty class and giving it to a wealth owning 1216 01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,400 class. Some of which are very ethical 1217 01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,200 and market productive in the marketplace. 1218 01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,800 But I feel like there's an energetic funk, if you will, 1219 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,240 that's tied up in that. And as that monetary energy 1220 01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:26,200 leaves a corrupt system, a broken reality, I can make all 1221 01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,680 all the analogies and tie it moves into this new system, this 1222 01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,960 new reality, this new world with a new incentive structure, the 1223 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:38,640 ethical network, metaphysical property, the sheer magic that 1224 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:43,640 Bitcoin is, I think it transmutes that energy and I 1225 01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:49,680 think it absolves us of some of the karmic funk that we have as 1226 01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,439 a result. You know, as I'm in America and 1227 01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:58,640 I have lived a a lavish life relative to the rest of the 1228 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:02,200 world as a result of the exportation of our monetary 1229 01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:06,240 technology and getting goods and services from the rest of the 1230 01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,359 world as a result. And so I think that you will pay 1231 01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:12,520 the price in life. There's no getting around that. 1232 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:17,279 I think it's just sheer physics, and I do believe that there's 1233 01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:19,600 this very magical and interesting thing that's taking 1234 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:23,200 place is on a physiological and a metaphysical level, in our 1235 01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:27,279 reality as a result of Bitcoin. I think it's transmuting these 1236 01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:29,720 bad vibes, this weird funk. I think it's transmuting 1237 01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,520 ancestral trauma. It's lowering cortisol levels. 1238 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:37,359 It's it's causing people to be happier about of reality that I 1239 01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:41,160 think intuitively most people struggled with. 1240 01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:44,640 It was kind of, you know, we it's it's the ultimate form of 1241 01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:49,279 hope as far as I'm concerned. So yeah, that's what I think. 1242 01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:54,200 I think that's we're eternal beings and I think that we take, 1243 01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,680 we take from this experience into the beyond and into 1244 01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,680 whatever experience comes after that. 1245 01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,520 We're just moving through time, space, dude. 1246 01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,640 I love that, man. That's the longest answer I've 1247 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,840 had through this question today, but I absolutely love it. 1248 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,440 I want to, I want to follow up a bit like because you said you 1249 01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:15,800 know it, it it help. Bitcoin helps us get in a higher 1250 01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,520 state of consciousness. If you say we are eternal 1251 01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,960 beings, do you like? Do you believe in reincarnation? 1252 01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,240 Yeah. I would say that I look at it in 1253 01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,280 terms of like, so you could say yes. 1254 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,200 And the way that I like to frame it and maybe this is just part 1255 01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,920 of being a millennial, but I like and it's like you and I 1256 01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:36,760 could be sitting on a couch in a another reality, another 1257 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,200 dimension. And we chose to live this life 1258 01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,640 and play this video game. It's PlayStation 21 million. 1259 01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:47,040 And here we are playing the the Planet Earth find Bitcoin game. 1260 01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,360 And you have to go through life and find Bitcoin. 1261 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,360 And as you do, then you get to Level 2 and now you're playing a 1262 01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,720 new level and then maybe you'll ascend to Level 3. 1263 01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,640 Maybe you die on Level 2 and you go back to the couch and you're 1264 01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,200 like, whoa, that was a trip, and then let's play again, you know? 1265 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,480 So yeah, that's the way I I think about it. 1266 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,680 Interesting. Yeah, that was how my mind went 1267 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:11,600 to I I believe that, as you said, you know, there's a 1268 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,360 difference between the soul and the physical body, right? 1269 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:20,360 And so the goal of the soul for each life is to transcend the 1270 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:24,400 body, right? You have to transcend and ascend 1271 01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:32,360 to escape the the physical life. And if you are not able to do 1272 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:36,560 that within your physical life, then you reincarnate. 1273 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:40,480 But if you can enlighten yourself within the time space 1274 01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:44,240 of your physical life, then you go to the eternal life. 1275 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,560 You know of the of the external eternal being, as you just said, 1276 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,240 right. And I think if I connect that to 1277 01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:57,760 what we just talked about, if the base layer of value exchange 1278 01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:03,000 for information exchange between people that we use to create 1279 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,800 value in the physical you know, space-time, reality that we live 1280 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,960 in. If we can make that an engineer 1281 01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,800 truth and therefore free up mental space that we can use to 1282 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,920 build more together, we will also have more mental space to 1283 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:23,920 transcend the mind. You know within our meet space 1284 01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:28,440 life basically. Yeah, that's kind of how I 1285 01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:30,480 translate what you just said. Yeah, I love that, man. 1286 01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:34,080 Like I, I, I, I could talk way, way longer about this. 1287 01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:40,640 I think it's super fun and and a nice you know challenge to you 1288 01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,120 know, for your for your for your mind really. 1289 01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:47,640 So I hope people who listen to this were able to follow us or 1290 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:52,960 else we just had a a nice conversation if I could say so. 1291 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,600 Yeah man, that was my last question I I'd love to wrap up. 1292 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,480 I will link to your X account so people can see your awesome 1293 01:12:59,480 --> 01:13:01,760 videos. And yeah man, I want to thank 1294 01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,960 you so much for for coming on. I really enjoyed this. 1295 01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:06,160 Yeah, me too, man. I'm super grateful. 1296 01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,240 Really appreciate you. Thanks. 1297 01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:09,640 I'm grateful too, man. Thank you. 1298 01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,360 Cool. Cool, man. 1299 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,440 Well, be in touch. Cheers. 1300 01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,960 All right. I hope you enjoyed this episode. 1301 01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,960 If you did, it would be amazing if you could rate, review and 1302 01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,520 subscribe on the podcast platform of your choice. 1303 01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,480 It will help us educate more millennials on the importance of 1304 01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:26,480 Bitcoin. You can follow and connect with 1305 01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:30,520 me on Twitter. 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