1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,400 The systems that control your mind and your money are 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,760 collapsing, and the two most powerful decentralized tools for 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,240 sovereignty are fighting back together. 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,320 I'm joined again by Tim Saiku to explore why the journey to 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,240 financial sovereignty and mental sovereignty are one and the 6 00:00:17,240 --> 00:00:19,600 same. Both Bitcoin and psychedelics 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,040 teach you that you must confront the centralized control systems 8 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:25,160 that govern your mind and your time. 9 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,960 And stick around because we'll show you exactly how the 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,600 decentralized properties of Bitcoin mirror the decentralized 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,760 characteristics and effects of psychedelics in this wonderful 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,800 exploration. I hope you enjoy. 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:42,200 Let's dive in. Tim Saku, welcome back to 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,680 Bitcoin for Millennials. Great to be back. 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,920 Yeah, I absolutely love that you're here. 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,960 Again, we made a podcast before where we talked about how 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,240 Bitcoin is an ego test. I, I don't know how many views 18 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,560 that has, but it was really well received. 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:05,560 Like people really enjoyed how you talked me and everyone 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,600 listening through that. And today, we're going to take 21 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,760 one step deeper, I think. Exactly. 22 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,560 I think the first, first presentation was titled, You 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,120 know why Bitcoin is an ego test before it's an IQ test. 24 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,320 And I try to start to incept the idea from a psychedelic lens 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,160 because from my background, psychedelic works with the ego a 26 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,240 lot. And so I was able to tie that 27 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,560 and see that. But yeah, today I'm excited to 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,640 go one step deeper and start to see the parallels of 29 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,600 psychedelics and Bitcoin that I've unravelled. 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,160 Awesome. Well, I I recently had an 31 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,080 episode with Yoni Appleberg where we also kind of explored 32 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,760 this and we also agreed to do a second episode. 33 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,520 I think that like this combination of subjects is 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,040 extremely interesting. I think it's under the under 35 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,760 discussed and well, I hope you can shed some light on, on how 36 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,080 you view it today. And hopefully we can, yeah, tell 37 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,800 more people about this and, and let us know in the comments also 38 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,400 what you think. And yeah, I, I told you before I 39 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,840 glanced over the website, I didn't read it fully because I 40 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,720 just wanted to be surprised. So I'll just give you the floor 41 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,240 and and we kick it off. Awesome. 42 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,520 Yeah, let's dive in. I think firstly I wanted to 43 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,720 share like why this topic? So my background comes from 44 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,000 entrepreneurship but burnt out entrepreneurship and almost 45 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,160 lived a classic archetype where I exited my company. 46 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,280 Felt very lost because my identity was so wrapped up in 47 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,720 that company and actually turned to self development and the 48 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,800 modality of psychedelics to get clear answers within myself. 49 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,200 Long story short, had tons of experiences by myself and in 50 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,480 Group experiences that revealed a lot of the wounds I grew up 51 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:02,360 with that led me to want to start a company but from a place 52 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,040 of ego, wanting to prove to others and myself to the world. 53 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,360 And that was very enlightening but also very scary because I 54 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,360 was like who am I beyond this company? 55 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:15,760 And after a lot of experiences now I've been able to understand 56 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,680 who I am beyond that. And went into a career of 57 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,000 psychedelic retreats for the last 6-7 years and where I live 58 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,480 in Costa Rica and worked with a ton of founders, entrepreneurs 59 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,840 who went through very similar identity crisis, for lack of 60 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,880 better word. And I left when I left that 61 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,040 world late last year. I had a bunch of time to explore 62 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,680 and study something. And that's when Bitcoin started 63 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,560 to rise again. And I didn't know what I was 64 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,920 holding and decided to dive deep into the Bitcoin rabbit hole 65 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,640 finally. And what really was fascinating 66 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,960 for me and enlightening was how easy it was for me to understand 67 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,120 it because of my psychedelic background, because of the 68 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,000 experiences I've had with psychedelics, namely working 69 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,600 with my ego or being aware of that. 70 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,800 But one step further, as I kept studying Bitcoin, I was like, 71 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,800 wow, this is so easy for me to understand. 72 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,840 Not because of me able to understand when my egos at play, 73 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,840 but the parallels of 1's journey with psychedelics and their 74 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:18,040 inner world and one's journey with Bitcoin in their external 75 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,880 world. So I wanted to share some 76 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,160 insights I've gathered. This is a condensed version of a 77 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,360 larger presentation you can find online and you can link it in 78 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,160 the show notes, but I title it The Sacred Parallels of 79 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,240 Psychedelics and Bitcoin. And one just key caveat here is 80 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:39,080 that I want to remind others that you can always replace in 81 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,640 all of this presentation, the word psychedelics with name, 82 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,560 your word that resonates with you, whether it be 83 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,440 consciousness, whether it be spirituality, whatever that 84 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,480 makes sense for you, you can always replace that. 85 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,760 Because I just see psychedelics as one channel and one vehicle 86 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,200 to understand these greater truths that I've unravelled. 87 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,240 So it starts with this, the fundamental truth. 88 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,880 One big, big thing I realized in my psychedelic experiences is 89 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,800 that no one is coming to save me. 90 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,280 And I had to RIP that off my programming. 91 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,320 And I think that plays really well with this idea of true 92 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,800 freedom beguns the moment you claim full responsibility of our 93 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,560 lives and dare to shatter the illusions that anyone else 94 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,200 controls the keys to our lives. And so no one is coming to save 95 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,480 you. No one owes you a rescue or a 96 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,640 fix. You, and only you can choose to 97 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,080 wake up to that truth, and only when you are ready. 98 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,680 Reality rearranges itself and powerful allies like 99 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,080 psychedelics and Bitcoin appear to help you walk that path 100 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,000 right. So we just stick with this part 101 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,320 here. Psychedelics, I think really 102 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,280 invites the self accountability in each of every one of us to 103 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:58,200 say, I got to work on myself to change the reality of which I 104 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,040 live in. And if I'm depressed, I get to 105 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:02,880 work out or take more walks in nature, I get to make that 106 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,160 change versus waiting for someone else to give me 107 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,400 permission to do so. And I think Bitcoin very 108 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,960 similarly from a fundamental truth perspective is no 109 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,040 government or central brink is coming to save me. 110 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,560 I get to be in control of my financial wealth and I got to 111 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,800 take actions by myself to to make that happen. 112 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:23,160 Getting to that source truth gives you an anchor for for 113 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:24,960 dealing with the physical reality. 114 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,240 And so I shared this and then I said, well, and, and in Bitcoin, 115 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,720 right, when you think about money, there is no anchor in 116 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,760 Fiat money, right? It's just made-up. 117 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,680 It's dictated for you, right? Your paradigm, your money 118 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,520 paradigm is dictated for you. So there is no anchor for you 119 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,360 there. There's no way to establish 120 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,480 trust other than other people telling you to trust the thing, 121 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,560 right? But in Bitcoin, you can verify 122 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,960 everything for yourself. But the fundamental truth, the 123 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,240 all the data in the time chain, right? 124 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,640 In our blockchain, which is immutable, that is the ultimate 125 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,320 truth, the ultimate engineered fundamental truth of this money 126 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,320 system, which is verifiable for each user, each participant in 127 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,680 this monetary network. So in that way, it serves as 128 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,840 this anchor of conceptually understanding what this money 129 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,360 is, but actually having something that you can not only 130 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,200 verify for yourself, but can always go back to and be like, 131 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,000 yeah, it's still uncorrupted. You know, the integrity is still 132 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,040 upheld. So I can still trust this, this 133 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,920 money. And so I, I love that you 134 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,520 started with this because this was the exact conversation that 135 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,240 I, that I had. But yeah, I, I, it's interesting 136 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,520 that there's many layers where you can talk about this 137 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,200 fundamental truth. Yeah. 138 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,120 The only thing I'll add to that is I've been realizing, I've 139 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,600 been noticing myself explaining Bitcoin as an ideology of truth 140 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,160 before it's a monetary network. And I think Bitcoin, I mean 141 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,800 psychedelics, is a pursuit of truth for oneself. 142 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,440 Like everybody who I've worked with, who said I want to, you 143 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,760 know, find myself, I want to know who I am. 144 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,320 It's a pursuit of truth. And I think both represent 145 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,280 capital T truth in its own unique ways, one with a monetary 146 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,360 network afterwards and one with their inner world of self. 147 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,200 Yep. Yeah, awesome. 148 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:30,680 All right, moving on something I I didn't, even though both 149 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,679 technologies feel very different, both offer pathways 150 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,919 to sovereignty, right? Bitcoin empowers individuals 151 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:41,840 with financial sovereignty and psychedelics facilitate 152 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,880 spiritual sovereignty. And all of these are kind of 153 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,840 crossing through this thread of personal transformation and 154 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,960 that's why I see them coming together so well together. 155 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,240 Engagement. Bitcoin often requires deep 156 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,680 research, self education and commitment to long term 157 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:59,880 thinking, while psychedelic experiences, when approached 158 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,040 with intention and integration, can lead to profound self 159 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,280 discovery, healing and growth. And so even though these two 160 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,680 seem very far off, where they collide is in this pathway to 161 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:14,320 sovereignty, and both require their own unique ways of proof 162 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,040 of work to receive what 1 is seeking. 163 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,240 How would you describe that in the in the in the spiritual 164 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,040 sense achieving this autonomy? What? 165 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:33,480 What does that mean? 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That's gemini.com/brahm. 215 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:26,640 Would you say that's also like the the shared antagonist that 216 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:32,560 that they both battle like this certain centralized control over 217 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:35,600 something that you think you should follow but you're not? 218 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,000 I mean. You'll still survive if you 219 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,800 don't. The Bitcoin equivalent of 220 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,360 central banks is the psychedelic equivalent of like church and 221 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,800 religion or organized church and religion. 222 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,520 So that's what I see it as. Yeah, I I would more say, I 223 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,840 would say more like like just people that totally are are not 224 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,960 spiritual or just the basic matrix paradigm you grow up in 225 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,800 where again I think this outsourcing, outsourcing is a 226 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,200 word that comes. I think the keyword is 227 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,120 outsourcing and I think the opposite side of that spectrum 228 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,440 is like radical self responsibility, self 229 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,600 accountability, self action. Consciously, right? 230 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,440 Like knowingly, consciously doing that, doing that. 231 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,880 Absolutely. So as I was doing research into 232 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,640 these parallels, I found something really unique in that 233 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,800 there's this direct link of mental health and financial debt 234 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:32,160 in the same summer of 1971 when Nixon took the dollar off the 235 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:33,920 gold standard. As we know, that was in August 236 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,920 15th, 1971. And just two months earlier, 237 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,920 Nixon declared the war on drugs, which was the infamous war on 238 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:47,200 psychedelics during that year. And So what I found was really 239 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,400 interesting the same summer of 1971 wrote one signature severed 240 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,040 the mines for medicine and money from metal or gold, changing 241 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,400 both inner and outer freedoms for generations, right. 242 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,600 So this great quote I found as well classifying psychedelics as 243 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,520 schedule one drugs severed the connection between people and 244 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,120 their intuition. And when the US came out the 245 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,800 gold standard, it severed the link between money and energy. 246 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,080 It is my belief that these things cannot be kept separate 247 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,560 from this guy named Max Mannheimer. 248 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,520 So I just found it in that same time frame, and whether it's 249 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,800 consciously or all planned, it happened all in that same period 250 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:28,800 of time. Feels like it's just a moment 251 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,800 in, in like the, the, the pendulum swing, right? 252 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,320 Where these where these things are supposed to happen together 253 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,240 or something, right? Who was Max Mannheimer? 254 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,960 You know that. No, I just saw he he also 255 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,920 understood this parallel and and wrote some posts about this 256 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,360 intersection. Fascinating. 257 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,000 I didn't notice actually that this that this was at the same 258 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,080 time. Yeah, it makes sense. 259 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,400 All right, so I have about a few, I have about like 10 or 12 260 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,400 of these that I'm just going to go through with you and feel 261 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,840 free to reflect on. These were the the ones that I 262 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,480 felt like were most easy to comprehend. 263 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,320 There's more in the full presentation if you, if anybody 264 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,080 wants to dive deeper into that. But the first sacred parallel I 265 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,400 call is only when you are ready. What I mean by that is 266 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,200 psychedelics or plant medicine finds you only when you're ready 267 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,200 to meet yourself. And Bitcoin clicks only when 268 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,000 your old store and illusion starts to crack. 269 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,800 And this idea in psychedelics is, you know, my, my, my 270 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,720 perspective is I never try to convince anybody or sell anybody 271 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,280 on anything. And people will always say I 272 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,800 felt called to psychedelics. And I think there's a very 273 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,280 similar perspective with Bitcoin. 274 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,320 And you know, Sailor even says it's like we only understand 275 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,040 Bitcoin as a need to know basis or in other words, when we are 276 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,000 feeling something in a pain that brings us to that. 277 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,480 And with psychedelics, it's usually lost of self, big 278 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,760 transit, transitory period, maybe divorce or, you know, 279 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,760 shutting down a company. We feel some sort of pain. 280 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,520 We want clarity and that's where we seek psychedelics. 281 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,720 Same thing with Bitcoin. Something isn't adding up with 282 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,640 our money system or my own wealth and we feel that pain and 283 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,320 we turn to something like Bitcoin. 284 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,360 So it really starts to find us only when we are ready. 285 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,160 Personally, I have this belief of lifetimes or past lives and 286 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:14,040 future lives and sometimes I say to people like some people are 287 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,800 just aren't ready or their karmic relationship with 288 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,840 psychedelics or Bitcoin isn't for this lifetime. 289 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,600 And that gives me a lot of compassion for them as well. 290 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,320 All right. The next one is the courageous 291 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,080 entry. And psychedelics asks us to 292 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,400 surrender everything we knew about ourselves when we go in. 293 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,760 And I've seen, I've heard so many stories of people 294 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,960 absolutely freaked out when they come to this through these kinds 295 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,160 of experiences. And Bitcoin asks you to 296 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,640 surrender everything you knew of money, right. 297 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,640 Bitcoin is not or both are not for the faint of heart. 298 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,320 And that's the joke I always have with people when they 299 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,080 finish a psychedelic experience. I was like you now understand 300 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,400 it's not for the faint of heart. And I think there's very similar 301 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,200 with Bitcoin because it challenges everything we 302 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,080 understand of our reality, both from our inner selves with 303 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,000 psychedelics and with the monetary system with with 304 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,320 Bitcoin. And Saylor quotes this as well 305 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:06,079 like or teal as well. You know, there are more 306 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:08,440 geniuses and there are courageous people, something 307 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:09,240 like that. I butchered it. 308 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,800 But the idea of how much courage is required to enter into these 309 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,319 technologies because I think in the fundamental layer these are 310 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:20,440 paradigm shifting technologies. So it requires courage. 311 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,000 Next I found another parallel called earning the initiation. 312 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,840 So what I mean by this is in psychedelics it always has to be 313 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,840 really an invitation, not a prescription. 314 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,840 If I or anybody try to sell you on experiencing something like 315 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,400 psychedelics, it's short circuits the inner authority 316 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,000 that the medicine reveals. And what I mean by that is it's 317 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,840 very easy to point the finger at someone else and blame and 318 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,440 outsource the blame on someone else. 319 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,200 If one had a very tough experience with psychedelics, 320 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:54,480 which is very common as well. And and Bitcoin, I say it's a 321 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,960 protocol, not a promise. It's a it's if someone pushes 322 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,080 you to buy, you inherit the conviction instead of forging 323 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,800 your own through study, right? So if I just told someone to buy 324 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,840 Bitcoin in the inevitable crashes or volatility, they sell 325 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,440 because they they don't understand it. 326 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,480 And this whole concept of conviction cannot be borrowed. 327 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,280 So like we talked about in the beginning and you brought up the 328 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,840 word both teach freedom cannot be outsourced. 329 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,800 It's earned through these self initiations. 330 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,240 And so I think earning through the earning that through 331 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,480 experiencing it, proof of work is another parallel I found 332 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,480 here. Yeah, Yeah, it's like this. 333 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:35,280 I say there's a lot with regard to the conviction on Bitcoin. 334 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,440 It's you have to answer the question every day. 335 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,400 Can I still trust my own judgement? 336 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:46,480 Can I still trust the way that I'm looking at the world of 337 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:53,600 money and finance and economics and still be content and sure of 338 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,320 the conviction that I created on Bitcoin? 339 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,200 And I think it's the same, yeah, in psychedelics, Like, OK, I 340 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,680 see, I see this reality now different, right? 341 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,320 Like I know I'm not my body or my thoughts or whatever you've 342 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,360 you've learned. And every time you get 343 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:13,840 confronted with the other side of that, like not not feeling 344 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,360 centered, right, or really falling into your emotions 345 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:20,880 again, or whatever your triggers are, that's the same moment. 346 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,760 It's like, OK, but I had this other. 347 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,600 I learned about this other way too few and also experience the 348 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,920 reality. Is that still the thing that I 349 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,640 should follow or should I, you know, keep falling in this black 350 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,360 hall of emotions or or whatever? Yeah, I love that. 351 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:39,600 Yeah. And that is taking real 352 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,960 ownership also, right? Like that is being aware. 353 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,880 I think that's the consciousness part also. 354 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,480 It's just really being aware of what is happening and that 355 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,480 you're doubting yourself maybe or, you know, questioning 356 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:56,560 whether you understand something enough or, or have processed 357 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,440 something enough. So it's really taking the the 358 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,720 conscious ownership instead of again, that outsourcing is 359 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,280 usually unconscious and, you know, people just do it without, 360 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:06,560 without thinking. Yeah. 361 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,480 Yeah, the words centering and meditation come up a lot when 362 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,000 you brought up that point of when the hurricane arises in our 363 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,240 in our inner world. I tend to go out of Nature 364 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:24,960 Center myself, close my eyes, TuneIn, and just be discerning 365 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,400 of what is true for me and make those choices from there. 366 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,480 So I really appreciate you bringing that up as well. 367 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,360 All right, the next parallel I found was what I titled 368 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,360 dismantling blind faith, and it kind of goes a little bit beyond 369 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:40,160 what we just talked about. Psychedelic cuts out the middle 370 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,280 men of belief systems or maybe church religion systems that 371 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,320 were just being told what to believe in. 372 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,000 Reality is validated through the direct felt sense of our own 373 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,000 consciousness, not through a priest, therapist or doctrine. 374 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,320 And Bitcoin cuts out the middle man of money value secured by 375 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,360 transparent code and global consensus is not a bank, 376 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,640 politician or decree. And so both shift you from 377 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:07,400 because they said so to because I can see, verify and feel it 378 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,600 for myself. Trust is no longer loaned to 379 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,480 institutions. It's reclaimed as a direct 380 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,120 knowing. And I think from my own 381 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:17,800 experience, psychedelics, once one goes through that kind of 382 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,920 experience, like once you feel it like it's very difficult to 383 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,240 say that's not true because you've been through the the 384 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,280 depth of it. And I think same thing when it 385 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,400 when interacting with Bitcoin and you feel the becoming your 386 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,360 own bank as an example and cutting out the middleman. 387 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,760 It's very difficult to put into words, but it's a it's a very 388 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,240 powerful sense of feeling. How would this other person know 389 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,800 what's better for me than me? Why? 390 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,840 Like what is the reasoning? Right? 391 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,080 So you don't even have to go that philosophical or something. 392 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,600 It's literally what you just said, like, why, why, Why would 393 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,960 I do that? And maybe if they're not at my 394 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,600 level, would I be OK with outsourcing this, right. 395 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,040 And I think if you just think through it like that, you 396 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,200 already get to this point where you could feel uncomfortable 397 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,160 because you're going to realize that you have to take a, a 398 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,840 decision whether you want to outsource that that or not. 399 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,280 There's a, there's a great quote meme in the psychedelic space, 400 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,160 which is like which said all politicians should drink 401 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,520 ayahuasca at least 12 times before taking office. 402 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,280 And while that sounds intense, I I would say there's truth in 403 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,880 there because it's, it, it's signals even the proof of work 404 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,160 analogy here of, of understanding oneself, 405 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,840 understanding where decisions are being made from, understand 406 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,720 how decisions can cascade into traumatic experiences for other 407 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:45,760 people as well. So all right, next one is I call 408 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,840 it the pills of perception. And I think there's there's ways 409 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,880 to kind of name this differently. 410 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,560 But I just saw that psychedelics or the red pill, even though 411 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,160 it's being used in many different ways right now, does 412 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:04,120 generally represent one concept of psychedelics where it slips 413 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:06,000 you beyond the emotional spiritual matrix. 414 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,360 You start to realize that your own thoughts, feelings and 415 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:13,600 patterns in a whole new way. I think of the Matrix movie as 416 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,840 the perfect example of that or the blue pills to go fall asleep 417 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,240 or as the red pills to go find truth. 418 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,960 And I usually like to say the Matrix is just a documentary, 419 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,960 not a not a fictional movie. And Bitcoin is the orange pill 420 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,680 as we all use, right? And exiting the monetary matrix, 421 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,240 we start to see how money actually works beyond the banks 422 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,280 and what governments tell us. So I just thought it was a fun 423 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,760 little way to think about this, this concept of a red pill and 424 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,720 an orange pill. These, it's almost like they're 425 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,800 invite, they're given to each of us. 426 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,560 And we, by our choice, like you had mentioned, get to take it. 427 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:54,240 And once we do, which requires courage, reality starts to 428 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,360 completely dismantle. Or at least our old reality 429 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,600 starts to dismantle and a new reality gets to be 430 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,280 reconstructed. How, how does that go for you? 431 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,600 Because I think this is actually the thing that a lot of people 432 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,000 struggle with, because once you see it like you, you are forced 433 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,880 to make that conscious decision right there. 434 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,520 This is like the the biggest tension point I would say. 435 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,720 In all of my previous psychedelic retreats we were 436 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,400 hosting, the the first quote we would introduce everybody to is 437 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,800 everything you are looking for is on the other side of fear. 438 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,760 I didn't, I didn't write that and someone else, I forgot the 439 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:36,520 name of it, but there's a lot of truth in that and I apply. 440 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,560 Then the next quote of how we do one thing is how we do 441 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,920 everything. So if we're afraid of something 442 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,440 right now in our relationships, that same fear is perpetuating 443 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,480 probably in many other aspects of our lives, in our health 444 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,000 pillars and in our family pillars, etcetera, etcetera. 445 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:57,520 So compare the great quote of what what you resist persists. 446 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,920 So we encouraged a lot of the folks who were going through 447 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,920 these deep experiences in psychedelics to lean into the 448 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,040 fear and understand that it's just a concept that perhaps was 449 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:13,320 formed unconsciously at a young age because of some sort of 450 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,960 abandonment or some sort of experience that allowed the ego 451 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:24,000 to say resisting and avoiding it was the form of survival to 452 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,520 avoid that, right? But now that we're older, more 453 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,200 mature, and perhaps more courageous to explore, leaning 454 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:40,480 into that fear is usually the gateway to getting to everything 455 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:48,000 that one is looking for. Do you have this is like the, 456 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,960 the the the meme translation is not your keys, not your coins, 457 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,560 right? It's just like this is what you 458 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,560 need to do to have the full experience, right? 459 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:04,320 You can, you can still outsource, you know, custody, 460 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,840 which I think is OK. You know, everyone has different 461 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,320 ways to approach this. Some people are 100% self 462 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,520 custody, others do 505082 and whatever. 463 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,440 So I think it's great that there's like different tastes of 464 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,880 that. As long as you make the 465 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,600 conscious decision and understand what the what the 466 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,840 trade-offs are for you, right? Like for you, it could be 467 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:29,160 different than for me, but just making those decisions is all 468 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:34,480 already part of this radical personal responsibility, I would 469 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,320 say, right. Just the, the, the fact that you 470 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,720 are actually consciously making the decision and that you know, 471 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,680 with every decision there is this trade off that I am fully 472 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:48,320 responsible for. Do you have any practical advice 473 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,160 that, that, that you gained on this that you think would be 474 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,160 helpful for for people to kind of go through this fear or 475 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,920 anxiety or maybe analysis paralysis, right? 476 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:01,800 That they don't really know what to do? 477 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,400 Like, I just wonder what that is for you because I've experienced 478 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,640 like it comes back from time to time, right? 479 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,720 Like, and, and I think that's the whole point is that you keep 480 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,640 on being aware of what you're doing and reassuring if you're 481 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,400 still doing it, right. And if not you, you change 482 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,760 course of course. Yeah. 483 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,920 The first thing that comes up is the protocol and methodology we 484 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,200 have for our retreats, which was naming the fear. 485 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:35,400 So it can sound very simple, but maybe not easy for a lot of 486 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,640 people as well. I'll give an example that's true 487 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,120 for me in this moment of time. I fear the concept of divorce 488 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,600 because I grew up in 3 generations of divorce. 489 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,960 So I fear committing to a marriage because I fear 490 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,200 perpetuating that same pattern of divorcing in my family name, 491 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,720 which is a commitment I'm trying to break. 492 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,640 So I give that example, but you know, very practically naming 493 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,520 that fear and getting to the truth of what that fear actually 494 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,760 is. And then perhaps vocalizing that 495 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,880 either in your own spiritual practice, whatever that may be, 496 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,080 so that you can see what arises there, or to others who you 497 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,480 absolutely trust to start to dismantle the story that is 498 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,520 probably formulating that may probably be false because it's 499 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,160 built on fear. Next is seeing the Matrix code. 500 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,080 So I said psychedelics brings your unconscious patterns, 501 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,000 social conditioning and ancestral trauma, things that 502 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,640 normally operate invisibly now into plain sight. 503 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,280 And we see this with Bitcoin memes as well, illuminates the 504 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,960 invisible rules of money creation and debt that controls 505 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,640 us, that no one taught us what's happening. 506 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,400 So once again, we start to dive deeper into this experience, 507 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,600 have the courage and the decision to dive into it. 508 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,880 Then my, what usually happens is we start to see truth in so many 509 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,680 different ways that we start to see what I call the matrix code 510 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,440 psychedelics with how we've been operating and perhaps how 511 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,240 systems are in, in everyday life and Bitcoin with the monetary 512 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,800 network. Here's an analogy I used to give 513 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,000 with people when they were exploring psychedelics maybe 514 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,600 versus meditation. Psychedelics is kind of like a 515 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,600 highway, right? You're driving through the 516 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,400 highway, you're zooming past things and the Pro is that you 517 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,840 get to perhaps quote the truth faster. 518 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,440 The con is that you miss a lot of what's passed by you as you 519 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,240 were driving to the destination. Whereas meditation or you're 520 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,920 saying with Bitcoin is it's slower steps. 521 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,440 The Pro is that you get to see everything slow at your pace, 522 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,400 steady. The challenge is it takes longer 523 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,800 period of time. So I think good or bad, they 524 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,520 just have their pros and cons and maybe you can merge them 525 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,320 together to balance that out together. 526 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,280 The next one I call is egoless technologies. 527 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,800 And I use this word particularly egoless because it's just how I 528 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,240 resonate and and see it. I see psychedelics as completely 529 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,360 egoless. There's no ruler that owns this 530 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,320 and can program it in any way. It's a it's AI say, especially 531 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,080 with psychedelics that are birth from the earth, like psilocybin 532 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,960 mushrooms or peyote cactuses and others, they're birth from the 533 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,560 earth. So it's it's ego, this it's it's 534 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,400 it's nature burst into into these into these medicines. 535 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,920 And Bitcoin is self governing code, right? 536 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,960 There's rules without rulers, value without CEOs, consensus 537 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,040 without coercion. 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I think of this one applied in 586 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,120 psychedelics like, and there's nothing against like human 587 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,400 created medications. I just question the intentions 588 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,080 behind it, what went into that, why it was created. 589 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,320 You know, psychedelics is a war on pharmaceuticals a lot of 590 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,000 times. And I think psychedelics 591 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,520 represents that egoless nature free of corruption because it is 592 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,600 birthed from that natural, natural world. 593 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,560 And I think the same thing with Bitcoin versus crypto. 594 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,720 I, I anchor into this first principle thinking of is it ego 595 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,440 lists, which means there's no rules. 596 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:04,200 I mean, sorry, there's no rulers and no, no human ego temptations 597 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,760 that can manipulate it. And so this one has been such a 598 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,480 powerful first principles for me, both in the psychedelic 599 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,520 space with medicine and with Bitcoin and other monetary 600 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,719 systems. Would you say the ego part is 601 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,440 also maybe then the purity part or what I mentioned with purity, 602 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:26,639 it's like the the protocol of Bitcoin is for anyone to adopt 603 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,560 in a sense that like you said, there's there's nothing behind 604 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:39,280 it any anymore, right? And I think that's also the 605 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,239 magic of Satoshi walking away. It's a very important, it's a 606 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:48,360 very important part of, of Bitcoin, but it's that it's 607 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,679 like, it's like you see something on the ground that you 608 00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:55,840 can pick up and then make useful by yourself instead of someone 609 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,880 that is promoting something to you, right? 610 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,400 Like having a sign on the street, like use this thing. 611 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,040 I think that's that's a big difference, yeah. 612 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,600 Agreed. Another parallel I found was the 613 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,440 root question, right? Psychedelics invites the inquiry 614 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,680 of who am I really beneath every story? 615 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,840 And I use that very particularly because a lot of our reality is 616 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,840 just simply share shaped by the stories we tell ourselves. 617 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,120 And Bitcoin challenges us to ask ourselves what is money really 618 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,640 at its core? And so I really like this idea 619 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,120 of like how do we get to the root, root, root cause or root 620 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:40,560 question that has so many corollary or ripple effects from 621 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,280 that core question. And so, yeah, I really love that 622 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,560 it come back to the root question. 623 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,120 Psychedelics, who am I really? And Bitcoin, What is money, 624 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:56,360 really? Yeah, awesome, Funny, funny how 625 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,960 some of these things, or well, both of these things I would 626 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:04,240 say, are so fundamental to everything we do every day. 627 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,720 And, and, and you, we don't really ask them until we're 628 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:12,120 forced to. I think first, again, that's why 629 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,440 I also think it's hard to get Bitcoin. 630 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,920 It's just like, yeah, if, if, if you don't really experience the 631 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,000 problem, why would you be actively looking for the 632 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,440 possibility of you actually having having a problem, right? 633 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,800 Like it's nonsensical. So, so there's no real incentive 634 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,640 for needs or desire to find that out for most people, especially 635 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,080 if you live in a country where money just works, right? 636 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,960 So it's not really, it's not really a necessity, but it's, it 637 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:50,080 is things like, you know, seeing people rob banks in Lebanon, not 638 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,640 to get other people's money, but their own money that really woke 639 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,880 me up along the way where I was like, OK, that is pretty insane. 640 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,920 It's insane that that actually exists in a similar money system 641 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,840 as the money system that I'm forced to use. 642 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,760 There's, there's not really much difference other than my Fiat 643 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,920 coin is more valuable than, than their Fiat coin. 644 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,440 And that was basically it. When I had that thought, I just 645 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,760 continued to do whatever I was doing right. 646 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,600 And I think that is what you're also showing here is like really 647 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,160 get to that root and, and, and spending more time and energy on 648 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,480 it to truly understand it. And again, I think also become 649 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,120 comfortable with the fact that you had no clue before. 650 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,640 I think it's also a big part of this entire journey is that you 651 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,360 are OK with the not knowing, the not knowing before until you're 652 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,280 you're here, where you're at now. 653 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,280 Yeah. Yeah, I must envision that these 654 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,160 root questions are like doors that you're willing to open, and 655 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,320 once you open, there's a deep rabbit hole on the other side of 656 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,720 that door as you step through. Like an instant Cliff. 657 00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:02,800 Exactly instant Cliff and to to carry that forward. 658 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,960 The next one I was wanted to share was called heal the root, 659 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,480 not the symptoms. So especially in the psychedelic 660 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,600 space, we talk a lot about the traumas and all these things 661 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,400 that people go through that how do we address the root cause of 662 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:23,720 that, Right. And so the the result of that is 663 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,320 a great quote in the psychedelic space, which is when you heal 664 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,280 yourself, you heal the world and it's really starting to 665 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,680 understand ourselves and how we relate to others that cascades 666 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,960 into that effect. And I still am a big believer in 667 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,080 that fundamental foundation. And Bitcoin very similarly on 668 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,480 the other side is when you fix the money, you fix the world, 669 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,240 but changing the incentives, steering markets, politics and 670 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:49,080 culture. So I just found that, yeah, what 671 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:54,280 I find so fascinating is that these both are really trying to 672 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,400 change like the this like or question the deep rooted 673 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:06,680 foundation of of things that can cascade into so many, so many 674 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,120 beautiful perspectives afterwards. 675 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,840 What would you think about this? But like all the traumas, all 676 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,080 the things like it's all, it's all from the past that it 677 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,360 literally doesn't exist anymore. It's just that you are still 678 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,240 paying attention and giving it energy that it's like accessible 679 00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:25,440 for you at the moments that it triggers you. 680 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,200 And that is what's blocking you from fully living in the now, 681 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,480 right. And I well, back to the money, 682 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,080 same thing. It's like, how do you how do you 683 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,200 live in the now if you're forced to constantly worry about the 684 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,560 future because your money is losing value, Right? 685 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,360 Like, yeah, pretty wild if you think about it. 686 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,440 I mean, This is why I call a Fiat money is a spiritual crime. 687 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,440 I'd like forced use of Fiat money is spiritual crime. 688 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,520 It, it, it, it's, it makes sure you don't have the time and 689 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:57,600 space to actually go on that inner journey and fix these 690 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,120 other things that are also very hard to combat, right? 691 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:04,760 Yeah. And I love that you brought up 692 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,080 just like the opportunity to make that change today and now 693 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,480 with Bitcoin, transitioning our money into Bitcoin and within 694 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,440 psychedelics or spirituality, making different choices that 695 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,440 affect our children and the next generation as well. 696 00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:24,960 The next one is expanding time horizon. 697 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,640 So I believe healing is is a lifelong journey. 698 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,840 It's it's never just a a silver bullet as some people may 699 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,200 misconstrue it as. So psychedelics reveals a long 700 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,880 arc of healing. It's a lifelong journey. 701 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,480 No quick fixes. And same thing with Bitcoin 702 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,880 rewards patients for playing the long term game with the 703 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,360 inevitability of its price despite volatility. 704 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,520 So both reorient are technologies that help reorient 705 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,480 short term dopamine to long term wisdom thinking in decades. 706 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,520 Not moments. So I'm just thinking about like, 707 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,080 how is that on the spiritual side? 708 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,200 How is it It's like what I said, like you could have this, I 709 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,280 don't know, super spiritual, mystical, out of body, whatever 710 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,240 ego death experience. And then three days later you're 711 00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:11,000 cursing at a person in traffic, right? 712 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,640 Like you're totally back in that. 713 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,680 And yeah, that's kind of what I'm thinking about. 714 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,320 So what's like the huddling equivalent of of that? 715 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:24,200 Then what's coming up is one of the most difficult things that 716 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,640 happened in after psychedelic experiences is forgetting. 717 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,440 So with the equivalence of the metaphor of huddling Bitcoin, 718 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:36,000 it's like huddling the truth, the vision, the experience and 719 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,440 that requires its own unique sense of proof of work by the 720 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,000 keyword is integrating in the psychedelic space but more 721 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,920 particularly what are the new agreements I make with myself? 722 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,840 What are the new actions I'm committing to have in my life 723 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:56,360 and practice that almost as rituals so that I can keep 724 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,320 holding on to that truth that I experienced? 725 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,600 So that's the closest metaphor I see of huddling Bitcoin as the 726 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:08,000 coins, but huddling the memory of that so that we don't forget. 727 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,040 Yeah, love that. Awesome. 728 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,720 All right, next one. I call these technologies 729 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:18,520 borderless and timeless. So psychedelics originates as 730 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,280 ancient medicines evolved into universal sacraments across all 731 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,880 cultures for thousands of years and beyond no single tribe or 732 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,200 doctrine claims them. I just find that so fascinating. 733 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,320 There's a whole rabbit hole there. 734 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,560 And Bitcoin, digital money that moves anywhere. 735 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,160 The Internet reaches no borders. Gatekeepers, transcends 736 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,040 governments and generations to come. 737 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,360 So both operate beyond politics, beyond passports, and beyond the 738 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,320 passage of time. They represent technologies that 739 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,720 represent all people, belonging to all people, accessible in 740 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:51,320 every era for eternity. And whether Bitcoin works or 741 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,120 not. My point is like the technology 742 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:58,440 is accessible across borders and across time, which I find so 743 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,560 fascinating. When you, when you think about 744 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,560 this, like some people say like, oh, Bitcoin is a, is a divine 745 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,640 gift. It's a gift, right? 746 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,600 It's given literally it's given, it's given to us as the solution 747 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,400 for money. How I mean, it sounds probably 748 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,600 woo woo to some people, but like, how do you think through 749 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,800 the fact that there are so many similarities with, in this 750 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,640 context, Bitcoin and psychedelics? 751 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:34,520 But also, you know, the I listen, I listen to like quantum 752 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,880 mechanics podcasts that talk about, you know, how high 753 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,080 entropy is turned into low entry, like high entropy is in 754 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,880 the energy or the consciousness turned into low entropy, you 755 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,280 know, being, being the things in this reality. 756 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,720 And then I'm thinking like, whoa, there's, there's so many 757 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:54,080 similarities with Bitcoin. So my question is like how, how 758 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,960 do how do you think about Bitcoin in that context? 759 00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,400 Like do you also think it's a gift? 760 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,840 Is it, is it just coincidence that there's so many parallels 761 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,200 or is that is that actually something that like bolsters 762 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,000 your conviction or like your interest or fascination with 763 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,600 with with this, right? For me, it's quite stunning. 764 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,120 Even the power law thing, right? It's, it's similar. 765 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,080 It's like, oh, it also has a power law. 766 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,240 Well, it actually has like 7 power laws, right? 767 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:23,760 Like cash rate, price and all these things. 768 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,240 And I'm like man, really? How, how you know it? 769 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,240 It seems less and less like a random. 770 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:36,160 Thing so the way I'll respond is I'm I'm I'm reminded that humans 771 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,520 and myself are meaning making machines, but to go one step 772 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:45,040 further on that in a lot of my psychedelic experiences, I've 773 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,960 come to this truth and understanding that what we 774 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:53,480 believe becomes our reality. So we might as well have like 775 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,240 beautiful beliefs to have a beautiful reality. 776 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,600 Obviously caveat is like still keep it tethered to reality and 777 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,640 grounded. So my, my perspective is sure, 778 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:09,000 these could be all coincidences or absolute divine, you know, 779 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,480 creation. What kind of reality in life 780 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,480 would I like to be in? One that believes in magic, one 781 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,280 that believes in divine guidance and order and all these 782 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,120 different things that brings so much hope to my life. 783 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,400 I'd rather do that. I'd rather be in that 784 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:31,400 perspective than something that's super somber or, you 785 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,520 know, pessimistic that drags down my reality, drags down my 786 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,200 life quality of life, drag down others in my in my surrounding 787 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,520 communities as well. So that's, that's what comes up 788 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:46,560 as like if what we think creates our reality, might as well make 789 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,920 it a good one. All right, I want to close with 790 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,920 two more. I'm very quickly. 791 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,680 First one is honoring the sleeping baby. 792 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,520 One of the greatest reminders I was given in my in my 793 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:05,800 experiences with psychedelics was when we are awakened with 794 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,920 psychedelics and we want to run back to the world and scream and 795 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,280 say you got to take psychedelics. 796 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,720 One of my teachers once said, remember them as a sleeping 797 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,360 baby. And when you walk into a room of 798 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,360 a sleeping baby, what do you do? You tiptoe around them. 799 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:25,120 You don't just forcibly wake them up and, and, and, and then 800 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,840 start to cry. And it stuck with me because I 801 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,240 think there's some, there's a beautiful parallel here with 802 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,400 both psychedelics and Bitcoin, right? 803 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,480 So we're psychedelics. A journey must be an invitation, 804 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,960 a personal calling, not an push. Otherwise the struggle gets 805 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,800 blamed on us who try to do that. And we robbed them from 806 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,760 experiencing one of life's magical gifts when they come to 807 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,120 their own realization of their own awakening and their journey 808 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:50,720 and think same thing with Bitcoin. 809 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,240 We try to shove someone down to the the Bitcoin rabbit hole. 810 00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,200 I think they they any form of volatility starts to create that 811 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:05,120 anger and resentment back. And so both respect free will as 812 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,120 sacred growth is self timed for themselves. 813 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,240 Awakening cannot be coerced to let each soul wake up when it's 814 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:15,200 ready, both with psychedelics and with Bitcoin. 815 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,520 Yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's what we're saying, right? 816 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,520 When people say, oh, Bitcoin is a cult, I always say, well, if 817 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,200 Bitcoin was a cult, it would be the only one in the world where 818 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,560 members would tell other members to please not listen to them and 819 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,360 think for themselves, right? I think that's kind of what 820 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,680 we're talking about here. Like you cannot, it's like you 821 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,960 cannot make someone fall in love with you or whatever like that, 822 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,160 that that wouldn't give you a good relationship. 823 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,400 And I think is similar, is similar with this, right? 824 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:50,800 Just a full, full conscious decision by yourself and, and no 825 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,360 one can force you. As opposed to Fiat money again, 826 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,000 right, Because you're using that because other people tell you 827 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,360 to. Beautiful. 828 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:00,880 The last one I just wanted to share. 829 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,040 And again, there's a whole presentation of this. 830 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,480 You guys want to dive into all the other ones is and I end with 831 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,040 this particularly called the stewards of the next 7 832 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,800 generations. So in psychedelics and a lot of 833 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,360 my own experiences and hearing so many others and and in like, 834 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:21,320 you know, sacred text messages and like scriptures or or or 835 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,960 philosophies has been passed down. 836 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,320 They say psychedelics gives us the courage to face the pain of 837 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,760 our ancestors couldn't cuts the chain of inherited trauma and 838 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,720 gives the descendants a new story written with conscious 839 00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:35,640 choice instead of unconscious programming. 840 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,320 So this idea that in psychedelics, when we, when we 841 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,840 start to awaken to truths that we've forgotten, not only does 842 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,080 it give the opportunity to what's called heal the next 7 843 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,000 generations, which is who you choose to be and the new actions 844 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,920 you get to create influences your babies and your 845 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,120 grandchildren and your grandchildren's grandchildren's, 846 00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,040 etcetera, etcetera. But it also is an opportunity to 847 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,040 heal the previous seven generations, to stop the passing 848 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,360 down of a lineage of patterns that may not have been fully 849 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,640 aligned, whether that was unconscious or or subconscious. 850 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,240 So I think there's something really beautiful of what is this 851 00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:17,520 all for, right? So psychedelics is healing the 852 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,240 next 7 generations, but also the past 7 generations. 853 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,600 And then when I take that same analogy into Bitcoin, it allows 854 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,520 us to store our time and energy in a monetary form that 855 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,360 preserves generational wealth. And we hear the meme in enough 856 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,040 to retire bloodlines immune to decay, entropy and manipulation. 857 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,120 And I think there's something really beautiful for if I take 858 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,560 that same analogy of how do I set my children up for the next 859 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,920 generation, but their grandchildren's grandchildren's 860 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,040 grandchildren. And it can start with me 861 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,360 changing that pattern. And when I do that it, it heals 862 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,360 this previous seven generations of perhaps family members that 863 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,760 didn't know anything about money, that just lived with the 864 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,920 programming of it and just continue to perpetuate the 865 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,720 scarcity mindset that was passed down over and over. 866 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:04,640 So I just think there's something really beautiful. 867 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,400 What is this all for? And it's really setting up the 868 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,640 next 7 generations, but also honoring and healing the 869 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,880 previous 7 generations. And I think both of these 870 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,720 technologies do it in its own beautiful ways. 871 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,320 Yeah. And again, you, you can be the 872 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,840 person to do that. I think that's also really cool, 873 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,160 right? Like you, you, you get to break 874 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,800 that, that chain basically. I think that is very, very cool. 875 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,240 Awesome. So that's it for the parallels 876 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,920 and I wanted to see if you wanted to share what we're Co 877 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,520 creating for next year as well. Yeah. 878 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:51,040 So as you may have noticed, Tim and I kind of found each other 879 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,600 on the these topics. And like we also said, we, we've 880 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,320 recorded a previous podcast, which I think people will also 881 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,360 enjoy. And so we, yes, started talking 882 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,080 about what, what could we do with this? 883 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,920 And then I shared and I'm pulling up the screen, I shared 884 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:17,640 an idea I had for creating, I don't know, a psychedelic. 885 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,240 We, well, we use the word retreat, but I don't like the 886 00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:23,640 word retreat. So now we say gathering, right? 887 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,200 But yeah, our idea is well, so I shared about this and Tim got in 888 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:35,000 touch and he said, well, this is something that me and Madeline, 889 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,440 who you've also worked with, could organize. 890 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,720 Why not work together? So that's what we're doing. 891 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:48,360 So in the summer of 2026, we're going to holds the first ever 892 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,800 Bitcoin psychedelic gathering with 25 bitcoiners for a few 893 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,720 days at a location that's TBD, where mushrooms are legal. 894 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,560 Yeah, we're going to organize this this gathering. 895 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:07,360 You can check out information on going beyondbitcoin.com And our 896 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,320 goal is to have like a not-for-profit event. 897 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,920 So we aim at pricing everything at, at cost and eventually, 898 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,280 yeah, we want to create this, this psychedelic immersion, uh, 899 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,840 with workshops, talks, a ceremony to get a reflection 900 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,760 together. And uh, yeah, we're trying to 901 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,880 set that up tomorrow. Umm, we'll have our first intro 902 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,840 intro call with people that applied. 903 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:36,440 So yeah, if this is something that resonates with you, then we 904 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,720 invite you to go to the website and apply and maybe we'll see 905 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,720 you there. And also when we're looking at 906 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:45,640 the, when we are seeing the interest, I I can imagine we're 907 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,920 probably going to do more, but somewhere next year is the, is 908 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:50,720 the kickoff. Yeah. 909 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:52,720 Yeah. And the only thing I'll add here 910 00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:56,000 is that, you know, for me, I come from that retreat, 911 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,160 psychedelic retreat world. A lot of the times it's really 912 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,040 trying to dive deeper beyond, in this case with Bitcoin beyond 913 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,120 the price action. So how can we apply Bitcoin 914 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,680 ethos and principles and psychedelic principles that 915 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,960 we've learned in our experiences into other facets of our lives, 916 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,440 right. How we do one thing is how we do 917 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,240 everything. So now that we've understood 918 00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:18,240 Bitcoin, how do we apply those ethos and principles and lens 919 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:24,000 into relation our relationships, our family, our, our, our, our 920 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,320 spirituality pillar, our health pillar as well. 921 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,720 So these are for Bitcoiners, buy Bitcoiners to look beyond 922 00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:33,320 Bitcoin. And that's why it's called going 923 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:38,480 beyond Bitcoin and be able to start to seek these other, this 924 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,400 lens into other facets of our lives. 925 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,880 And so, yeah, if you feel called, we'll be there and 926 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,120 organizing this and looking forward to meeting you if you do 927 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,040 come. Yeah, and we'll put the link in 928 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,000 the in the description. I have one more question for you 929 00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:58,800 to to wrap it up. Of course, usually I ask 930 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,800 everyone the same question, but you already answered that in the 931 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,560 in the previous episode. So for this conversation, I was 932 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:13,120 thinking, you know, if these two movements keep on colliding as 933 00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,480 we are kind of seeing also with the interest on this event. 934 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,320 And like I told you, I ran into other people that are also 935 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,320 thinking about organizing similar events. 936 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:27,760 If these two movements really are part of this bigger 937 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,000 renaissance, and we achieve both individual mental freedom and 938 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,360 financial sovereignty through Bitcoin, what does the world 939 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,120 then look like? What is hyper bitcoinization of 940 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,080 of the mind like? What is your idea of that of 941 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,520 that future? Thank you. 942 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:57,480 All right. I see families spending more 943 00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:02,920 time together and enjoying their days because they don't need to, 944 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,320 their money is fixed and they remember the importance of 945 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:12,840 relationships. I see entrepreneurs solving the 946 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,520 next set of challenges that emerge for our world because 947 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:24,000 they can pursue meaningful ideas that that go beyond just 948 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,000 themselves and their own self-interest for for personal 949 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,960 growth needs because the money system is is is fixed in that 950 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:37,840 regards to I see a lot more collaboration, especially in the 951 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:44,600 political landscape where assuming politicians in power go 952 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,720 through the initiation of actually, whether it's 953 00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:52,600 psychedelics or self discovery. Yeah dismantle this idea that 954 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:57,440 separation is, is true. The separation is the illusion 955 00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,240 of of of of connectedness. So let's say, and even in the 956 00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:07,040 Bitcoin space, I just see people coming together much more with 957 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,600 greater empathy and compassion instead of massive divisiveness 958 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:19,040 because I think they they can empathize with where people come 959 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,840 from much more. So that's a vision I see in very 960 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,880 different aspects of of of life. Awesome. 961 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,200 Well, thanks for sharing. Thanks for going through this. 962 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,040 I, I hope people find this insightful and it's good to talk 963 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:38,920 to you again and stay in touch and I'm excited for next year. 964 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,160 So thanks man. Appreciate it. 965 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,240 I hope you enjoyed this episode. If you did, you can click here 966 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,600 to find more just like it and click here to find all Bitcoin 967 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,640 for Millennials podcast episodes. 968 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,160 Also, please like this video if you want to help shine a light 969 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,160 on the message of Bitcoin and subscribe to my channel to stay 970 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,360 connected. I hope to see you for a next 971 00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:59,360 episode. Bye.