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We turn now to that developing 13 00:01:14,150 --> 00:01:16,110 news. In an alleged murder spree out 14 00:01:16,110 --> 00:01:19,750 of Laredo tonight, a Border Patrol agent is under arrest. 15 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,400 Channel 5's Valerie Gonzalez tells us four women were killed. 16 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,400 On Labor Day weekend, a woman's body was discovered in a remote 17 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,000 part of Laredo. This week, again, another female 18 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,480 body was found in the same area. Isidro Alaniswad, County 19 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,720 District Attorney, said a pattern slowly emerged. 20 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,960 Well, with the 1st 22 murders, there were some similarities, 21 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:48,800 but obviously things began to, to become more clear as each 22 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,920 murder took place and the MO and, and the way the bodies 23 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,880 were, were discomforted and where the injuries were and the 24 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,880 type of people they were. And so, you know, things started 25 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,440 to match up that that we did have a serial killer. 26 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,600 The spree was confirmed this morning at one AMA woman escaped 27 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,600 the grasp of a kidnapper. She sought safety with a law 28 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,400 enforcement officer. Information she provided during 29 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,280 interrogation LED officers to Juan David Ortiz. 30 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,840 Authorities found them at a gas station of his fled. 31 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,960 He was caught at a nearby parking lot. 32 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,840 At 2:00 AM Webb County Sheriff's Office and DPS investigators 33 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,360 found a third female victim at 1:00 PM this afternoon, they 34 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,200 found a fourth woman. District Attorney Alani says 35 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,320 there were similarities between the crimes I. 36 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,800 Do believe that these were people up the street either 37 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:44,680 engaging in or or in some sort of prostitution. 38 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,080 It seems that he was seeking out his victims, targeting his 39 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:55,000 victims and that they were killed in similar fashion and 40 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,920 and their bodies disposed of it in similar fashion. 41 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:04,400 So it has all the indicators of being a a a a serial murder 42 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,960 spree. Elanie says Ortiz is a 10 year 43 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,000 veteran with Border Patrol. This is the first time his 44 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,320 office simultaneously handles 2 homicide investigations 45 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,760 involving Border Patrol agents. The other case involves an agent 46 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,520 accused of killing a woman and their child in April. 47 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,800 It's. Very unusual that something like 48 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,920 this happens, especially around the same time. 49 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,840 You know, we're currently still prepping on the other capital 50 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,600 murder case. And now we, we have a, a 51 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,320 multiple murder case with with, with this, with this agent. 52 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,040 So unfortunate that that's the situation. 53 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,680 I don't think it's any reflection on on Border Patrol. 54 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,920 Alaniz believes our thieves to be a dangerous suspect, he said. 55 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,960 He'll be asking a judge to keep off these behind bars. 56 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,920 Border Patrol released a statement today, reading in 57 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,200 part. Our sincerest condolences go out 58 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,880 to the victim's family and friends. 59 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:02,400 While it is not CVP policy. While it is CVP policy to not 60 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,120 comment on the details of an ongoing investigation, criminal 61 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,000 action by our employees is not and will not be tolerated. 62 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,080 The Texas Rangers and Webb County Sheriff's Office are 63 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:18,360 investigating. Hello Mike Demon Insiders and 64 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,279 welcome back to the Demon Inside. 65 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,840 I'm your host, John Venom, and today we will be doing the case 66 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:30,240 of 1 David Ortiz. Now I'm here in San Antonio, TX. 67 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:37,120 This is South Texas and about 2 1/2 hours away is a small town 68 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:42,480 called Laredo, which sits on the border between the United States 69 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:47,280 and Mexico, is probably one of the busiest border crossings in 70 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:54,520 the nation. So in 2018 there was a serial 71 00:04:54,520 --> 00:05:00,640 spree killer. He had killed 4 sex workers. 72 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,520 These murders occurred in Laredo from September 3rd to September 73 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:14,200 15th of 2018. At that time, Juan David Ortiz 74 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,200 was a supervisor of the Intelligence Department of the 75 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:23,840 Border Patrol and he was asked by the Laredo Police Department 76 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,280 to look into one of the cases. Little did they know at that 77 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:33,840 time that Juan David Ortiz was the killer they were looking 78 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:37,440 for. But before we get into that, let 79 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,800 me give you some background on Juan David Ortiz. 80 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,880 He was born in Brownsville, TX. He was the oldest child of four 81 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,360 to a single mother. He was a good student in high 82 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,880 school and he was part of the swim team and in cross country. 83 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:54,960 He was a member of the Fellowship of Christian 84 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,560 Athletes. He was active in all aspects of 85 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,000 the church and grew up with a strong faith. 86 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,200 Ortiz was married to his high school sweetheart, and they had 87 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:11,040 three children and were active members in the Assembly of God 88 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,680 Church. It's a, it's a Pentecostal 89 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:18,040 church. A month after his 18th birthday, 90 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,800 after he graduated from high school, he joined the US Navy. 91 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:28,400 Ortiz was stationed as a Navy student at Fort Sam Houston here 92 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,960 in San Antonio. As we know here in San Antonio, 93 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,320 Fort Sam is a medical training facility for branches of the 94 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,160 service. It's where they train the 95 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,280 majority of the medical personnel for the Army, Navy, 96 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:45,080 and Marine Corps. And let's not forget, just 97 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:49,320 throwing this out there, Jeffrey Dahmer was also trained here at 98 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:55,120 Fort Sam Houston. So Ortiz was assigned to two 99 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,400 commands in California. They were both Marine Corps Base 100 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:04,040 Camp Pendleton. He was transferred to the First 101 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:09,920 Marine Division detachment in California's Marine Corps Air 102 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:16,520 Ground Combat Center. It's the Marine Air Ground Task 103 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,760 Force of the United States Marine Corps. 104 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:23,000 It's made-up of the First Marine Division, which he was in the 105 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,760 third Marine Aircraft Wing and 1st Marine Logistics Group. 106 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:34,200 So the IMEF, which is the Marine Expeditionary Force, provides 107 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:40,680 forces to the US Central Command and US Indo Pacific Command as 108 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:46,440 directed. Ortiz, graduating from his 109 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,840 school at Fort Sam and doing these trainings, became a combat 110 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,120 medic. He served tours in Afghanistan 111 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,720 and Kuwait, and he was in the middle of many confrontations 112 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,360 overseas where he had to save many lives. 113 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:12,040 Ortiz was actually a hero who saved soldiers overseas. 114 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,200 He was there until April 5th, 2005. 115 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,320 He was then assigned to the Navy Element Defense Medical 116 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,840 Readiness Training Institute Detachment at Fort Sam Houston 117 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:30,280 on April 25th, 2005 and he stayed until April 1st, 2008. 118 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,520 So to me this meant that he was actually training other soldiers 119 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:40,120 on how to become combat medics. He was awarded the Joint 120 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:46,520 Meritorious award, the National Service Award, and the Rifle 121 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:54,560 Marksmanship Medal. Given his military status, he 122 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:56,840 probably had a top secret clearance. 123 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,720 That's why when he was arrested, Navy investigators assisted the 124 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,880 local law enforcement but were tight lipped regarding the 125 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,520 specifics of their role in the Ortiz case. 126 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,640 When he got out of the Navy, he went directly into the Border 127 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:19,200 Patrol. So Ortiz joined the agency in 128 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,480 August of 2009, first in the town of Cotulla and then Laredo 129 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,560 while he was a border agent. He earned a bachelor's degree 130 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,240 from American Military University and a master's degree 131 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,200 from Saint Mary's University in Texas, which is here in San 132 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:40,080 Antonio, a former emergency medical technician for the US 133 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,480 Navy who had done a tour of duty in Iraq said. 134 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,520 One of his buddies from the Marines told me that Doc that 135 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,600 was Artesa's nickname, genuinely cared about the migrants 136 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,560 crossing the border. He wanted to use his medical 137 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:00,720 skills to help migrants who had been traveling for days in the 138 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,720 desert. That's what this Marine buddy 139 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,160 said. And a lot of people had 140 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:12,440 testified that he would give water to a lot of these people 141 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,600 that were migrating across the desert. 142 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,080 He would give first aid. He was very helpful to a lot of 143 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,800 these people. So doing that, Ortiz had 144 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,160 accumulated a vast variety of contacts and informants. 145 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:31,440 So over the years of being on and around the border and 146 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:37,120 working in some of the roughest streets in Laredo, he indeed 147 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:43,680 became a respected agent. So by 2017, Ortiz had been 148 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:47,160 promoted to the position of Intelligence supervisor. 149 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,840 This was located at South Texas Border Intelligence Center in 150 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,760 Laredo. So on September 3rd of 2018, 151 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,560 police found a dead woman on the side of the road. 152 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,280 She had been shot in the back of the head execution style and was 153 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,400 face down on the floor. So they started doing an 154 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:12,000 investigation. They found several shell casings 155 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:19,520 from a 40 Glock and they found tire patterns from a truck. 156 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:27,760 On September 13th of 2018 there was a second female shot and 157 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,840 left near the first crime scene and around her crime scene the 158 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,680 same evidence was found, 40 caliber shell casings and they 159 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:41,080 found tracks from a truck nearby. 160 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:48,280 Police began to wonder if they had a serial killer, and they 161 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:53,880 knew that both of these cases were connected because of that 162 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,120 evidence. Witnesses also described a white 163 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:03,240 truck in the area. Now, Ortiz kept going to work 164 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:08,200 during the day and going home to his wife and three kids, and 165 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,120 then he would go out at night and kill prostitutes. 166 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,480 On September 14th though, his wife and the three kids left the 167 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:23,360 house and he was alone at home. After he got off of work, he 168 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:29,320 went home, changed, grabbed his gun and went hunting at the San 169 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,880 Bernardo St. in Laredo. This is where the prostitutes 170 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,840 and drug dealers and everything where all this happens, all this 171 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,080 crime. He goes and picks up a woman 172 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:49,280 named Erica Pena, and they go to his house and she gets the 173 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,440 strangest feeling that something is not right. 174 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,760 As a matter of fact, it gets to the point where she feels like 175 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:03,160 she's getting sick. She goes outside and she throws 176 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:09,360 up on the sidewalk. He comes out realizing that he 177 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,440 either needs to get her back inside or he needs to take her 178 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,400 out of there because the neighbors. 179 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,640 And so he asked what can I do and Erica says take me to the 180 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,400 store. So they go to the store. 181 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:30,320 He parks way behind the store, not even in the parking lot 182 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,680 across the street from the store parking. 183 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,400 He then takes out a gun. He points it at her. 184 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,400 She starts fighting for her life. 185 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,480 He grabs her blouse. She takes it off and runs. 186 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,800 She goes to the fueling station where she sees the Texas Highway 187 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,160 Patrol officer. She's shirtless. 188 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,640 She has a bra on, and she's crying and she's freaking out. 189 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,920 And she tells the patrol officer, the Texas Highway 190 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:07,200 Patrol officer, that a man named David pulled a gun on her and 191 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:14,160 she escaped from him. So this is a clip from the show 192 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,920 2020 with John Quinones of Erica Pena, who survived, and the 193 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,680 Texas State trooper Francisco Hernandez, who she started 194 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,920 talking to and this is from his body Cam. 195 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:34,520 So listen to this. She begins to get panicked and 196 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,520 she's trying to leave the vehicle and a struggle happens 197 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,120 and he ends up ripping off her shirt. 198 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,480 It was at this service station that investigators got their big 199 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,800 break. A state trooper was pumping gas 200 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,240 here when a shirtless woman ran up to him saying that a man was 201 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,280 trying to kill her. And it was all captured on those 202 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,720 security cameras. So on that night I finished 203 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,560 refueling, all of a sudden I see the lady coming from the side of 204 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,800 the store kind of rapid walking towards my patrol. 205 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:15,320 Car help me help me. You said where she had mentioned 206 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,480 to me that she just had gotten assaulted by an individual and 207 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,120 that this individual pointed a gun at her. 208 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,960 I know because it's a shock. I mean, you just escaped from a 209 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:46,800 from a possible kidnap. The police take Erica to the 210 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,160 police station to start getting her statement. 211 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,120 At the police station she starts saying that this guy David had 212 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:58,160 taken her to the house and she starts describing his house to 213 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,240 AT. They ask her is there any way 214 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,680 you can take us to his house? She says, I'm not exactly sure 215 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,920 where it's at, but I'll give it a shot. 216 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:16,520 So they start driving around and they're looking for the house. 217 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:22,120 And all of a sudden she sees it and says that's the house. 218 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,400 So they run the house address and they find out that it 219 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,840 belongs to Juan David Ortiz. Now they still don't know that 220 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:36,960 he's a Border Patrol agent. They see the vomit on the 221 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,120 sidewalk. They know it's his. 222 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,080 They get a search warrant. They go into the house and they 223 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:48,000 find all the guns that Juan David Hernandez or Juan David 224 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:54,800 Ortiz after she escaped. He goes back to the house and 225 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,400 starts getting all his guns ready for a gunfight with the 226 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,520 police. But when they don't show up, he 227 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,520 decides he's going to head back to the streets of San Bernardo 228 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,440 and Laredo to the street of San Bernardo where he had been 229 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,680 picking up his victims. He then picks up another woman. 230 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,800 This is the same night he picks up another woman and they start 231 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,560 to drive. According to him, he was crying 232 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:26,599 and he was saying that he was going to kill himself because he 233 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:29,480 had done things and he would never be forgiven. 234 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:37,280 She told him that she started or he said that she said OK that 235 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,920 she started to pray for him and told him that there was nothing 236 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,600 that he had done that God could not forgive. 237 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,520 She was trying to keep him from killing himself. 238 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:54,680 He drove until they ended up a little bit out of Laredo, down 239 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,960 35 between San Antonio and Laredo. 240 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,360 I mean, there's a whole bunch of other towns in between, but 241 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,680 basically going towards San Antonio. 242 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:12,680 So she, he tells her that he killed the two girls. 243 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,080 She still says that God can forgive you. 244 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:23,560 You need to turn yourself in. You know, I'm praying for you. 245 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,320 He tells her, get out of my truck. 246 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:29,960 I don't want you in my truck anymore. 247 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,880 Get out of my truck. Is this him because he's feeling 248 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,200 a conscious no. Is this the demon because they 249 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,760 don't want prayer possibly? Or is this just him trying to 250 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,360 get her out of the truck now? This is what he tells her. 251 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:54,360 He says get out of my truck, start walking and you're going 252 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,480 to either head right, which is going to take you back to 253 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,480 Laredo, or you're going to head left, which is going to take you 254 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:06,800 to San Antonio. He goes, I suggest you go left 255 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,480 and go to San Antonio. So she gets out of the truck and 256 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,600 she starts to walk away. Now, According to him, she 257 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:20,000 stopped. She actually turns around and 258 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,280 comes back to the truck. We will be right back after a 259 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,040 word from our sponsors. Hey guys. 260 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:30,280 And now it's time for the Uber shout out of the week. 261 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,880 So I have one Uber shout out, which is really strange. 262 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:42,760 I got a call to pick up a guy and I found out that he is a 263 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:50,080 sales manager here at Mazda at World Car Mazda N where I 264 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,960 actually work as a security guard. 265 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,760 So when I stopped to pick him up he looked at me and said aren't 266 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,760 you supposed to be doing security? 267 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:06,920 So we made a deal and I told him about the podcast as I was 268 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:12,640 driving him to his destination and I told him that I would give 269 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:17,720 him free publicity if he didn't say anything and if I didn't do 270 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,920 Uber anymore during my work shifts. 271 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,400 He agreed and hopefully that's the last we've ever heard of it. 272 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,840 But, and I knew this would end up happening eventually, but 273 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,600 this shout out is for Paul Blunzer and I usually don't give 274 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:40,800 a last name, but he is a manager here, a sales manager here at 275 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,200 World Car Mazda. So if you guys are looking for a 276 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,280 car here in San Antonio, if you come down 35 N near Pat Booker 277 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,360 Rd. this guy is the guy you guys need to talk to you. 278 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:57,560 He's a great guy in in helping you and he will find you a good 279 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:02,200 car for a good price. And I wouldn't mention too much 280 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,520 about me, you know, picking him up as an Uber driver. 281 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:10,760 But hey, the second shout out I have isn't actually from Uber, 282 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,440 but the second shout out is to Matthew. 283 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:21,640 And Matthew is on my The Demon Inside group chat, which is on 284 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,720 Facebook. And he actually sent me saying 285 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,880 that he's been a long time listener and he enjoys the show. 286 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,160 And Matthew, I appreciate it. And I told him I would send him 287 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,160 a shout out on this one and he was very excited about it. 288 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,920 So Matthew and Paul, these are your shout outs. 289 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,400 I appreciate you guys listening and I hope you enjoy the rest of 290 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,800 the show. So let's get back to it guys and 291 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,480 welcome back to The Demon Inside. 292 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:57,320 She actually turns around and comes back to the truck. 293 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,800 As she's walking back to the truck, he gets out of the truck 294 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,920 and tells her that she needs the leave. 295 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,760 And he said she says no God will forgive you and started praying 296 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,720 again. And he got upset because she 297 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:16,400 wasn't leaving. So he pulled out his gun and he 298 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,760 said that the monster came out. At this time the monster came 299 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:27,200 out. So he shoots her in the face 300 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:34,000 three times and his words were the monster came out. 301 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,960 Take a listen to this. This is from 20/20 with John 302 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,840 Quinones. And then it was it was an 303 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,600 interview that John Quinones was doing with Captain Federico 304 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,840 Cadron, who was one of the investigators who was 305 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:49,200 interviewing him. And this guy's from Webb County. 306 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:55,120 He's from the Sheriff's Office. And then also a Texas Ranger who 307 00:22:55,120 --> 00:23:00,240 is who is EJ Salinas. Texas Rangers guys here in Texas 308 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,280 are the badasses. These guys are freaking amazing. 309 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,880 These guys deal with cases that you would not believe. 310 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:20,200 OK, so during this interview, I'm going to play it for you 311 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,840 right now, and you're not going to believe what the Ranger says. 312 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,800 Listen to this. Listen to Texas Ranger Salinas. 313 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,640 And he says these words around this time that were quite. 314 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:37,000 Just. Shocking this sort of monster 315 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:37,600 came. Out. 316 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,880 That's when the the monster came out. 317 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,240 You could see the monster coming out. 318 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:44,560 It. It kind of took. 319 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,760 Me back because I don't know. If you ever see the devil coming 320 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:48,280 out of. Somebody. 321 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,880 Kind of like that. Does he ever tell you? 322 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,680 Why? He killed these women. 323 00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:58,280 His claim is that he was quote UN quote cleaning up the 324 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,440 streets. The first one was happening. 325 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,880 Correct, but after that. I I saw like. 326 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:09,760 Like this too good. Like I'm like clean up the 327 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,160 streets and then I hope it is going to. 328 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,840 It's quite a contradiction. Correct. 329 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,920 Absolutely. He's buying them drugs, he's 330 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,440 paying these prostitutes himself. 331 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,400 Correct. And then he claims he's trying 332 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,120 to clean it up. It was a poor attempt at 333 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,520 justification for the horrible crimes he had committed. 334 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,920 So I was like, you know, you're having two people. 335 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:38,600 So I convinced myself of that that was his mindset, that these 336 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,600 women, based on the choices that they had made, that they did not 337 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,520 deserve to live and that he was in a position to be judge, jury 338 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:52,040 and executioner. Did you hear Texas Ranger? 339 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,600 Selena said. You could see the devil coming 340 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,400 out of him. Now. 341 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,800 This is a respected Texas Ranger guys, and from the way he says 342 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,600 it, the way he sounds, he makes it sound like this isn't his 343 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,600 first time he's ever seen the devil come out of somebody. 344 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,960 I would love to interview this guy and see what other cases 345 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,040 he's done that he has seen the devil come out of these people. 346 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,200 So after he shoots and kills his fourth victim, by this time 4 347 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,440 hours have gone by and they had found the house that Erica 348 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:35,360 remembered like I said. And they end up finding out who 349 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,280 it belongs to. And now they end up finding out 350 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,680 that he is an actual Border Patrol agent. 351 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:50,040 Not only just a Border Patrol agent but a an intelligence 352 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,160 Border Patrol agent. So they're looking for his 353 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,440 truck. They send out a BOLO which is be 354 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:01,680 on the lookout for his truck. They find it at a gas station 355 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,640 and he's inside the store and they don't want to take him in 356 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,680 the store because they're scared there might be a hostage 357 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,640 situation. When he comes out they're 358 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:15,800 waiting for him and they start giving them commands and they 359 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,440 tell him to raise his hands. He doesn't. 360 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,360 He's freaking out and he decides he's going to run. 361 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:28,120 So he ends up hiding in a parking garage and runs up to 362 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:35,200 the 4th floor where he hides in a bed of a truck while he's in 363 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,680 there. And this comes from the 364 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,160 prosecutors because they released these Facebook posts 365 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,320 that he was sending during that time that he was hiding in the 366 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,120 truck. Facebook posts that Ortiz 367 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,680 allegedly wrote before surrendering and standoff with 368 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,320 law enforcement. One reads, Doc Ortiz checks out, 369 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,640 farewell. The other reads to my wife and 370 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:04,720 kids, I love you. So after they find him, they 371 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,800 pull him out. They start asking him if he is 372 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:11,560 or who he is. And he's saying, you know who I 373 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,640 am, you know who I am. And they're like, where is your 374 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,640 weapon? He says, I don't have one. 375 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,600 They end up taking them and they take him to the jail or they 376 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,960 take him to the police headquarters where the 377 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,520 investigators start talking to him. 378 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,400 And like I said, one is the Texas Ranger and the other is 379 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:37,600 the sheriff from Webb County. So they start talking to him. 380 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,200 And this guy, before they start talking to him, he's sitting in 381 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,840 the interrogation room. And if you guys want to see 382 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,360 this, it's actually on YouTube. He starts talking to one of the 383 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,280 agents or somebody out in the hallway while he's inside 384 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,720 sitting down and he's laughing and he's saying, hey, who were 385 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,360 the two guys that were chasing me? 386 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,640 You need to tell him that they need to start working out 387 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,640 because I lost them really quick. 388 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,560 He goes, they're really out of shape. 389 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,760 This guy was very cocky and he was very proud of what he had 390 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:15,520 done. So as investigators start 391 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,440 talking to him, he first says it wasn't him. 392 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,280 He didn't know them, he didn't know the victims, and he didn't 393 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,800 know what happened. One of the officers that's 394 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,600 interrogating him says we have proof that you did this. 395 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,360 We have your gun, we have the shell casings, we have your tire 396 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:35,600 tracks. We're going to find DNA, We're 397 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,360 going to have all this information about you. 398 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,440 So tell us that we have the wrong guy. 399 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:51,880 And he doesn't say anything. So then they ask him, why did he 400 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,840 do it? I just want to understand. 401 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,600 We know you did it. We just want to understand why. 402 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,800 And one of the investigators says possibly, maybe you blacked 403 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,760 out and you don't remember. So our teeth runs with it. 404 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,280 And this is what a lot of killers do. 405 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:14,960 They want an excuse so they don't have to take blame. 406 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,200 He runs with the whole I blacked out, I don't remember. 407 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,440 OK, now remember this. He doesn't remember because he 408 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,480 had blacked out. But when he was talking and he 409 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,440 was talking about the victims, he was very proud of what he had 410 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,320 done, very proud of what he had done. 411 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:39,400 He sounded like with conviction of I did this, I took her, I 412 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,840 killed her. He talks about the first victim 413 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:52,120 that she had taken drugs in his truck and he she passed out and 414 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,720 he got annoyed and he didn't know what to do and he ended up 415 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:01,720 killing her. The second victim, he says that 416 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,520 she started feeling like something wasn't right. 417 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,840 They started talking about the first victim. 418 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:12,800 She says she got a strange feeling and he shot her and 419 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:22,360 killed her. The third victim was Erica Pena 420 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:28,560 who escaped, and Erica says that she also felt something wasn't 421 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,600 right with this guy. Automatically. 422 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,920 She knew for whatever reason that he was the killer of the 423 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,520 two girls. Then he starts to say this. 424 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,680 He talks about the monster that comes out of him and he talks 425 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,000 about that he was trying to clean the streets of Laredo. 426 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,520 This guy was a vigilante who's killing prostitutes to clean the 427 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,120 streets. He said that no one else was 428 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,840 doing it. And for me, the demon that was 429 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:04,520 either possessing them or influencing them was probably 430 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,840 telling them, hey, all these people that you guys arrested 431 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,240 are getting out and nobody is doing anything about it. 432 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:20,840 This is your chance to do something, to be judge, jury and 433 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,920 executioner and actually make a difference. 434 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,560 So I want to give you a little insight to what I think was in 435 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,400 his mind at the time. Because to kill these women, he 436 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:40,400 was using his service weapon. And to me, that means that he 437 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,600 was doing something just, he was doing something right because as 438 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,000 a law enforcement agent, he should have known that they 439 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:54,720 would trace this 40 caliber weapon back to him or back to 440 00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:00,920 any law enforcement officer. So when the police are almost 441 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,960 finished interviewing him, they ask him what most police love to 442 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,800 ask. Is there anything else you want 443 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,880 to tell us? Well, he says there's one that 444 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:18,800 you have not found. That was his fifth victim, 4th 445 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:24,160 killed. He said he again headed after 446 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,440 the third. He went back to San Bernardo St. 447 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:34,520 to pick up another victim. He picked up a woman who is a 448 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:40,320 transgender woman and he put her body behind a pile of asphalt 449 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,200 that was off to the side of the road where they had been doing 450 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,440 construction. This was again in a span of four 451 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,520 hours where he killed the last two victims. 452 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,640 In total, Juan David Ortiz killed four women and victimized 453 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,720 5. If not for Erica Pena escaping 454 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,760 there may never they may never have caught him because he was 455 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,320 actually doing investigations into his own murders and was 456 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,720 sabotaging or at least trying to sabotage the investigation. 457 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,120 He even says that when they asked him about some of the 458 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,920 people or some of the victims, he said he looked it up on the 459 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,600 computer and didn't find anything. 460 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,000 So my question is this, if a demon is inside a person or 461 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,760 influencing a person, can people sense that they are there? 462 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,280 Because two of these women sense that something wasn't right. 463 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,800 Could it have been there? Could it have been their 464 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,840 guardian angels or their intuition? 465 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,680 Or could they have felt the presence of evil? 466 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,120 Could they have felt the presence of a demon? 467 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,520 Now for me, guys, an evil person doesn't mean that they're 468 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,320 possessed. An evil person is just an evil 469 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,480 person. Sometimes when an evil person is 470 00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,520 just evil, these demons like to watch, they like to hang around, 471 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,680 they like to see the destruction that people do to other people. 472 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,400 Could she the the two victims? Could they have sensed this and 473 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,760 knew that something wasn't right? 474 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:23,679 Also, it was also in two weeks that he created all this chaos. 475 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:31,760 He did a lifetime of good to end up two weeks of killing 476 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,440 prostitutes. Could that have been the demon? 477 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:41,920 Yes. So for me, guys, if I had to put 478 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,480 a name to this demon, I would say it was pride because he was 479 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,480 very proud of his work that he was doing and he wanted to do it 480 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,400 faster because he knew he was going to get caught. 481 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,040 He wanted to make a difference and he was very, very proud of 482 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:05,360 it. He was a spree serial killer 483 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,080 because he knew that his time was running out and he had to 484 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,560 hurry up and that's why he killed so many. 485 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,440 In that one day he could have killed 3. 486 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,160 But thank God that Erica Pena escaped and was able to testify 487 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:29,920 against him because if not for her, maybe he would still be out 488 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,680 there killing. Thanks for listening guys. 489 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,520 Talk to you all. Next week, don't forget to 490 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,320 subscribe to the Demon Inside podcast on any podcast platform. 491 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,440 A new episode of the Demon Inside will be released every 492 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,680 week. 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I don't get possessed. 503 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:28,120 The Demon Inside was written and created by James Porter. 504 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,240 It is a production of Venomous Entertainment. 505 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,400 Background music is by Lucas King and the title song Demon 506 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,280 Inside was produced by Rice Prover, composer lyricist Peter 507 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,640 Shelley and performed by Conjure 1.