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New charges in the death of a 12 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,400 three-year old girl from San Jose. 13 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,400 The child's grandfather and uncle now accused of child abuse 14 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,280 after she died in what's being described as an exorcism. 15 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:22,200 KP IX5 LA Ramirez with details on this disturbing case. 59 year 16 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,720 old Renee Trigueros Hernandez and 19 year old Renee Aaron 17 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,840 Hernandez Santos appeared together in court as they were 18 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,200 both formally charged with child abuse causing the death of 19 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,720 three-year old Orrelli Doe last September. 20 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,040 The girl's mother, Claudia Hernandez Santos, was previously 21 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,920 charged with the same crime. All three defendants were 22 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,800 involved in the ongoing abuse of Orrelli Doe on September 24th. 23 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:51,120 So while they each they did specific different physical 24 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,160 acts, they all were involved in this abuse. 25 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,280 The death happened inside a small church located behind this 26 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,920 house on South 2nd St. in San Jose, a statement of facts 27 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,240 released by the district Attorney's office states. 28 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,920 The defendants believe the girl was possessed by a demon because 29 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,120 she would sometimes wake up at night and cry or scream. 30 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,120 The statement says they took the girl to the church to pray for 31 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,320 her and physically force her to vomit, which they believe would 32 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:21,120 drive out evil spirits. Was strangled multiple times to 33 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,480 the point of unconsciousness. Aurelido had fingers shoved down 34 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,600 her throat to the point where she had multiple injuries to her 35 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,960 mouth and to her tongue. Aurelido had pressure put on her 36 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,000 body, on her torso, from the front and back, with so much 37 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,720 force applied that she lost consciousness. 38 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,200 She eventually stopped breathing after hours of abuse, but the DA 39 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,440 says family members waited an hour to call 911. 40 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:51,080 A coroner's report concluded she died from asphyxiation, which 41 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,120 led to the grandfather and uncle being charged, in addition to 42 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,640 the mother, who was arrested in January. 4 days earlier, the 43 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:00,960 mother, Claudia, posted a YouTube video discussing her 44 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,440 daughter's death but not fully explaining it. 45 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,480 Because I cannot change what is, you know, it is what it is. 46 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:12,520 So I've, I've learned to think positive, you know, because 47 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,760 it's, it's, it's many reasons why God took her. 48 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,320 Public defenders assigned to the case did not want to comment. 49 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,000 All three defendants will be back in court to enter their 50 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,400 pleas in June in San Jose. Len Ramitus, KPIX 5. 51 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,600 Hello my demon insiders, and welcome back to the Demon 52 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,120 Inside. I'm your host, John Venom, and 53 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:39,400 today we are talking about the Demon Inside Claudia Hernandez 54 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:44,520 Santos. So this case actually has three 55 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,560 defendants, which is her brother, Renee Junior, and her 56 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:53,200 father, Renee Senior. But we're going to talk about 57 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,520 Claudia Hernandez. And a lot of this stuff that I 58 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,520 got was actually from the police reports. 59 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:06,640 And in the interview room, she talks to her brother in private, 60 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,800 but of course the police record everything. 61 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,520 So I'm going to be talking to you from that as well. 62 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,360 Now the reason I'm talking to you about Claudia in particular 63 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,600 is because Claudia is the one that started this whole thing in 64 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,760 motion. And Claudia was actually 65 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,320 convicted or is getting convicted of killing her 3 year 66 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:35,960 old daughter because of a botched, let's say, exorcism. 67 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,240 There's a whole bunch to the story. 68 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,200 So I'm going to go ahead and start now. 69 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,120 Claudia Hernandez, I really don't have much of a background 70 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:53,760 on her because this case just happened in 2021 and the case is 71 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,280 still ongoing right now. They're actually locked up, but 72 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:03,040 there's trial, there's a trial coming up this March of 19th, 73 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:08,000 2025. And so there, everything that 74 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,400 I've gotten has just been what they've released to the media 75 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,760 and I dug deep to get a lot of these police files and 76 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:23,160 recordings and things. So let's continue with what 77 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,480 happened. So Claudia Hernandez had a 78 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,960 three-year old child and her name was Arlie. 79 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,680 Now she claims that Arlie was possessed. 80 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:42,440 OK, so a lot of the stuff that I got from before the killing, I'm 81 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,120 going to talk to you first about. 82 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,440 But this was actually after the killing happened. 83 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,240 This was her talking to her brother Renee in the 84 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,680 interrogation room as they left them alone to talk. 85 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,640 And the conversation was recorded as I said. 86 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,120 So I'm going to start reading that from there. 87 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,760 She tells Renee Junior that while she was in the other 88 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,200 interview room, God came to her and told her that God had taken 89 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,600 Arlie on Thursday and it was because of demons. 90 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,080 Claudia told Renee Junior that God gave her the solution and 91 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:28,440 everything was going to be OK. Claudia also said that God told 92 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,960 her they were not going to be guilty. 93 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,440 She told Renee Junior not to worry and said everything would 94 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,640 be OK. Claudia asked Renee Junior if he 95 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,720 had seen Shamar. Shamar is Arlie's father. 96 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,320 Shamar and Claudia were not together at this time. 97 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,440 Claudia was actually married to somebody else. 98 00:06:54,080 --> 00:07:00,760 But to continue, she said if she had seen Shamar and commented 99 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,000 that he was upset. Claudia then referred to the 100 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,440 detectives in the case and said they did not know what happened 101 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,440 because they did not believe in God. 102 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,680 Claudia said the girl was possessed because she was 103 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,680 asleep. She continued to twitch and her 104 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:21,800 stare was different. Claudia told Renee that God took 105 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,840 the girl, so imagine what he was going to come and do next. 106 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,960 Claudia told Renee Junior that when the girl was deceased, she 107 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,920 saw a vision of men in white coming down to her body and 108 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,840 taking her. The men were dressed in white 109 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,800 and took the girl from her hands. 110 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,040 Claudia told Renee Junior there were things that he did not 111 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,080 understand, but he needed to believe in God. 112 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,200 Claudia said their desire was not to kill the girl even if 113 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:57,040 they look like they killed her. She asked why they would take 114 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,080 the girl to church if they wanted to kill her. 115 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,840 She said to the She said the police would not understand it. 116 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:11,800 Claudia said she had two visions of God and God told her she had 117 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,360 taken the girl. God told her the police were 118 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,960 going to accuse them but the girl was going to go. 119 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,720 Claudia said God did not show her what was going to happen. 120 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,520 After Arlie died, she said God had taken the girl. 121 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:34,280 On Thursday, Claudia said it was not her girl as she was empty 122 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,000 without emotion. Claudia said what ended up 123 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,120 happening was not important. Claudia said that even if Renee 124 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,080 Junior suffered, not to worry because God will guide them. 125 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,480 She said not to be sad as it was God's wish. 126 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,600 Claudia then spoke about Renee Senior and said he told her not 127 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,680 to tell the police anything. Claudia said three weeks before 128 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:02,240 Arlie's death she began speaking to God daily. 129 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,440 During this time Claudia was praying for Arlie and God told 130 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,520 her that he was going to take Arlie. 131 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,280 Claudia then prayed and asked God when he was going to take 132 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,360 Arlie and God said September 24th was the date. 133 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,520 God told Claudia this was happening because she was never 134 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:28,040 been meant to be a mother. She asked God how he was going 135 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,920 to take her and he gave her two visions. 136 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,480 The first was that Arlie would die in her sleep. 137 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,200 The second vision was that Claudia and Renee Junior were 138 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,240 going to be accused of something. 139 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,320 Claudia did not tell anyone about this conversation with God 140 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,440 that she was describing. Claudia then said after having 141 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:54,160 this vision she started giving Arlie everything and let Arlie 142 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,720 watch her phone. God later told Claudia that 143 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,200 Arlie was possessed because she had been watching whatever she 144 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:07,640 wanted to on Claudia's phone. So when I heard this part, and 145 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,960 I'm sorry to interrupt, but when I heard this part that God had 146 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:17,640 told her for her allowing her to watch things on her phone, it 147 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,920 reminded me of the other case that we did a while back, Justin 148 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:28,640 Dalton, who was the Uber killer. And Justin Dalton said that 149 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:36,280 there was an app that changed into a demon app and it 150 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,160 convinced him or made him kill people. 151 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,800 So is there something to that? But let's continue. 152 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,920 Claudia said on Thursday morning she went to the church with her 153 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,000 brother to pray. While she was praying, God gave 154 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,560 her a vision that Claudia was dropping Arlie off at the gates 155 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,480 of heaven. Claudia says she thought, and I 156 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:08,320 quote, OK baby, you have to go. End Quote. 157 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,240 That acted as confirmation that God was going to take Arlie that 158 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,640 Friday 24th. While Claudia was praying on 159 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,000 Thursday morning, God gave her comfort and said he was going to 160 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,880 be there with Claudia. Claudia then said that on 161 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:30,520 Thursday, September 24th, 2021, after Arlie went to sleep fast, 162 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,560 Claudia saw a vision that on Friday Arlie would be outside 163 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,200 and something dark was holding her. 164 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,800 This made Claudia certain Arlie was possessed. 165 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,320 Claudia said when Arlie fell asleep on Thursday, God took her 166 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,840 spirit away. After that, she said she 167 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,840 believed a demon had taken over Arlie's body. 168 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,880 She described the demon that took over Arlie's body as short, 169 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,560 with ugly teeth, big eyes, and hair that was burnt. 170 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,840 When asked if Arlie's body posed a threat to people if it had 171 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,080 been possessed, Claudia responded no. 172 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,240 When asked why Claudia did not tell officers about this vision 173 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,360 on the day Arlie was killed, she said she did not remember and 174 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,720 she was in shock about what happened. 175 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:29,160 She then said that Thursday night when Arlie was in the tub 176 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,160 around 10:00 PM or 10:30 PM, her eyes looked black. 177 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,880 She could still see the white, but her eyes were black. 178 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,600 Claudia confirmed that when Arlie's eyes were like that, the 179 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:48,760 demon was present. Claudia said she was confused as 180 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,280 to why her eyes were like that, but she was focused on it being 181 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,440 the last day she was going to see her baby alive. 182 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,520 Claudia said Arlie's body was going to throw up and that was 183 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:06,520 going to be the demon. When asked by police how she 184 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,760 felt about this being God's plan, she said, yeah, I've 185 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,440 learned to accept what it is because what is the point of my 186 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,960 getting angry and saying, oh, this and that if it already 187 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,640 happened? End Quote. 188 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,560 The police asked how it made her feel in the moment. 189 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,560 And she said, and I quote, I was confused. 190 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,680 She said then said if she had not shown her cell phone to 191 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:39,080 Arlie, she would have died in another manner. 192 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,480 She clarified that she only found out God planned to take 193 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,600 Arlie 3 weeks before Arlie's death. 194 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,840 She clarified that Renee Junior would not normally sleep in the 195 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,760 bed with her, but she asked him because she knew Arlie was going 196 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,720 to die and she wanted him to be there because she did not want 197 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,760 to be by herself. Claudia stated that while she 198 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,480 was at the church, she put her phone on airplane mode because 199 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,360 she didn't want to be disturbed when she started praying. 200 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,160 When asked if she wanted Shamar Proctor, Arlie's father, to find 201 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,440 her, she said that she was not thinking about that, she was 202 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,040 just focusing on getting her baby fixed. 203 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,240 Claudia was then confronted with Google searches of her phone 204 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,120 that included how to introduce vomiting in adults and children. 205 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,320 Bodia said she searched for that because she was trying to see if 206 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,200 there was a way she could help her daughter throw up. 207 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,760 She admitted she was getting frustrated that Arlie had not 208 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,880 thrown up yet when she conducted the Google search. 209 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:50,080 Arlie was not provided food or water on September 24th, 2021. 210 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:55,160 The last time Arlie ate was the night before which was September 211 00:14:55,160 --> 00:15:01,000 23rd of 2021 at Starboard. I am assuming Starboard is a 212 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,400 restaurant. Arlie did not have any medical 213 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,800 conditions and had not been sick prior to her killing. 214 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,960 Claudia confirmed nothing out of the ordinary was occurring to 215 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,040 Arlie. Claudia did not provide Arlie 216 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,200 with any medications or illicit drugs before she believed Arlie 217 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:24,560 to be possessed. On Thursday night, Claudia said 218 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,080 she was not under the influence of any controlled substance and 219 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,600 that she did not have any mental health diagnosis or treatment 220 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,680 history. When asked if she believed in 221 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:39,120 medicine, Claudia said yes. Claudia said she does not 222 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,640 necessarily believe in possession because of the church 223 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,880 she goes to, but because of other things she has experienced 224 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,040 in her life. Where and I quote at the school 225 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,480 like places that I've been that I know that are like it's just 226 00:15:55,480 --> 00:16:00,520 things that I know that are possessed are people, you know? 227 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,080 End Quote. She says she always believed in 228 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,360 it since she was a kid. She described it as being like a 229 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,880 medium. When asked if she thinks she 230 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,120 caused her daughter's death, Claudia replied in a way. 231 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:27,600 So now I'm going to go through the days leading up to her death 232 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,000 and this is going to be a little bit violent guys, and I'm 233 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,360 trying, I'm going to try not to go through too much of what 234 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:41,440 happened without being too descriptive because this is 235 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,160 plain and simple. Basically, they held this child 236 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,480 down and were forcing her to vomit because they wanted the 237 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:58,120 demon to come out. So Claudia says that this 3 year 238 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,760 old, now keep that in mind, she's three years old after she 239 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,520 brought her home Thursday after they ate at Starboard. 240 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,800 That Claudia or that Arlie didn't seem like herself. 241 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,200 She seemed like she was possessed by something. 242 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,960 And that's what Claudia says. She says and I quote like a 243 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,040 spirit. I don't know in quote. 244 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:30,280 So Arlie started throwing her clothes from the closet all over 245 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,720 the room. Keep in mind again, this is a 246 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,600 three-year old. She started throwing her clothes 247 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,840 everywhere. Claudia started praying she 248 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,840 calmed down enough to take a shower. 249 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:49,000 Claudia says that everything was fine, but her eyes looked kind 250 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,920 of weird. She then had Renee Junior sleep 251 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,120 with them in the bed. So Claudia was on one side, 252 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,760 Renee was on another, and Arlee was in the middle. 253 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:06,280 Now throughout the night Arlee kept screaming and crying and 254 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,920 Claudia says that the screaming did not sound like her daughter 255 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:16,480 but sounded like a demon. And every time that she would 256 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,520 wake up she would ask Arlie if she was OK or if she was in pain 257 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:27,760 and Arlie would tell her no. They would start praying for her 258 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:36,200 and she would go back to sleep. Now during this time Claudia 259 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:42,680 said that demons can possess items, so she asked Renee if he 260 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,000 could take all the stuff out of their room except for the bed, 261 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:51,800 which he did. Throughout the night, they kept 262 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,960 she kept waking up and kept crying. 263 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,800 And when this would happen, they would start praying over her. 264 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:09,160 Now here's where the story kind of gets a little confusing 265 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:14,560 because these are three different police reports and 266 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,000 what I ended up doing 1's from the dad, one's from the brother 267 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,360 and one's from the mother, Claudia. 268 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,640 And what I ended up doing was taking all the stuff that they 269 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:29,200 said first before detectives started questioning them, you 270 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,640 know, and changing them around, which they pretty much stayed 271 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,960 the same. All three of them stayed pretty 272 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,520 much to the same story. You know, there was just little 273 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,560 things. Like, for instance, Renee Junior 274 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,480 said that he didn't give CPR and then later on, he changed and 275 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:52,040 said he did give CPR. The dad said that he has showed 276 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,680 up and that he was trying to help, but he ended up giving 277 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,120 CPR. There's just like little things. 278 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,080 What I kept in here is pretty much what all three of them 279 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,920 repeated. Basically said the same thing as 280 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:15,960 one another. So throughout the night they're 281 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:21,680 praying for Arlie, and by morning they're saying that they 282 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:27,680 cannot get her to throw up. She's supposed to throw up so 283 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,760 she could throw up the demon, but she refuses. 284 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,560 And so they take her to a church that is actually behind the 285 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,280 house that her father is a pastor. 286 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:47,080 Now think about this, guys, this is 7:00 in the morning and they 287 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:55,600 arrive at this church where they go in and they lay her down on 288 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,920 the chairs and they start praying for her. 289 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:03,640 Well, according to Claudia and Renee, she starts to struggle. 290 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,080 So they're trying to hold her down. 291 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,920 One's holding her by her stomach, the other one's holding 292 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,680 her by her neck. Now keep in mind, she did not 293 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:20,360 die of suffocation. She died in a most brutal way 294 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:23,560 because they were forcing her to throw up. 295 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:29,520 And we're talking 16 hours or 18 hours of this, this this little 296 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,200 girl went through torture because these two were trying to 297 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:41,640 get her to throw up the demon. Well, at the church they were 298 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,800 having a lot of trouble with this 3 year old who they said 299 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,840 they could not hold because she kept moving and pushing. 300 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,080 And we're talking about two grown adults. 301 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,200 We're talking about a male adult and a female with a three-year 302 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,200 old little girl. So they end up calling their 303 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:07,440 father and they told him, look, we need you to come and help us 304 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,560 with Arlie because she is possessed. 305 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,800 I'm thinking that they didn't actually say that when they 306 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,560 called her, but they did talk to him when he arrived. 307 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,000 Now, Arlie, every time they would pray, she would fall 308 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,480 asleep and this would give them time to recuperate or, you know, 309 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:31,480 take take time and to consider what's going on here. 310 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,960 So the father says that he would be there after lunch, which he 311 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,880 does. He shows up around 1:00. 312 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,800 Keep in mind this is the next day. 313 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:50,200 This is the 24th and they've been doing this all night from 314 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:59,040 the 23rd. So they started praying for 2-3 315 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:06,000 hours at a time and when the dad shows up after lunch, Claudia 316 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,840 and her brother start talking to him. 317 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,760 Now here's the part that gets me because this is a pastor of a 318 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,640 church that does not perform exorcisms. 319 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:24,280 So according to the dad though he has seen or done 2 exorcisms 320 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:31,040 on adults and this was prior to I guess the church or I'm not 321 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:39,720 sure how this even went but for me it's hard to understand how a 322 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:47,040 father and a grandfather would just fall into place saying that 323 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:54,040 his granddaughter is possessed. So now you have the mother, the 324 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,440 brother and the father. 3 grown-ups that are saying that 325 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:04,680 this 3 year old little girl is possessed by a demon and all 326 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,320 three of them are trying to get her to throw up. 327 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:16,080 Father has actually said that by her throwing up, she would throw 328 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,040 up the demon and that he's seen this before. 329 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:27,080 And it usually comes out in bubbles or it comes out in white 330 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,080 or some weird crap. And I'm sorry, I'm throwing off 331 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,560 the script here, but it's just, it's, it's unreal. 332 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,320 So this poor kid. And we're talking about like 333 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:47,640 6:00 in the afternoon already. She ends up throwing up and they 334 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:52,600 take a break because she falls asleep and the dad goes outside 335 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,600 and makes a phone call. And when he comes back in, he 336 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:01,240 says that she's already purple and she's already passed away. 337 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,240 So now they end up calling different people like Claudia 338 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:13,360 ends up calling her ex-husband or the father of her kid letting 339 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:19,240 him know she calls her mom. She calls her husband her actual 340 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,560 husband at the time and before they call 911. 341 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:32,640 I'm very curious and I'm probably going to make some of 342 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,520 you upset, so please forgive me, but I'm going to play devil's 343 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:43,760 advocate here. And I've done this before with 344 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,920 Audie Sanchez and the Asia Watkins. 345 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:58,080 Where what if let's just say this 3 year old was possessed 346 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:03,720 and all these three adults who said that she had supernatural 347 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,720 strength. They couldn't hold her down. 348 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,320 They couldn't force her to throw up. 349 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,400 They couldn't force her to open her mouth because the child was 350 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,440 trying to throw up, but she didn't want to throw up. 351 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,400 The child started telling them that she loved the mom, she 352 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,440 loved her. She said, you know, but she 353 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,240 would always like scream, no, no, no. 354 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,880 Why would this be a demon possession? 355 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:47,400 Now let's say that Claudia was the one that had a demon who was 356 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:53,040 tricking her to make it seem like her daughter was strong and 357 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,920 her daughter was fighting. Well, then what about the 358 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:05,400 brother and the dad? You got three grown adults who 359 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:12,760 are sensible, who are intelligent, who are religious, 360 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:20,760 and all three of them believed that this child was possessed. 361 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,440 Did they believe it because the mom said she was possessed? 362 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,520 Or did they see something that really freaked them out to the 363 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:36,080 point where they felt like this little girl was possessed? 364 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:45,120 Now, the little girl, like I said, she was three years old, 365 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:52,000 Arlie, she passed away and these three were put in jail and their 366 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,520 trial is still coming up. They, they're not sure if 367 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,360 they're going to charge them with first degree murder or 368 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,360 they're going to charge them with manslaughter because of the 369 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:07,080 religious texts. They're not sure what they're 370 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,720 going to do. The trial is actually coming up 371 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:17,520 March 19th, 2025. So what I find weird is earlier 372 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,280 when we talked about the that the child was using the phone, 373 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:31,720 she actually comes out with four videos of herself on YouTube and 374 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,240 one was actually after she had killed her child. 375 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,640 If you guys get a chance, you need to go and look at it. 376 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,800 I'll actually put it on the files below. 377 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,680 So that way you can I'll put the link below. 378 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:58,760 And she is just it's very creepy because she's happy and sad 379 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:06,120 about it and she says that not to judge her on what she did and 380 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,640 that nobody knows what happened for real. 381 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,000 Keep in mind two days after this video she was arrested. 382 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,760 The other three were all four of those videos, including the 383 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:23,600 other three, were posted all on the same day, which was, like I 384 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,160 said, two or three days before she was arrested. 385 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:33,280 So I'm not sure why she did that and put them all out at one 386 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,280 time. I think she actually thought she 387 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:43,160 had gotten away with it and that she wasn't going to go to jail 388 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,000 for it. But the police actually used 389 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,840 though that video. Are they going to use that video 390 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:58,600 in court against her? I don't know what would cause 391 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:08,080 someone to think that they are doing an exorcism for one if 392 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,480 they don't even have the right tools to do an exorcism. 393 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,840 I mean, what are the tools to do an exorcism? 394 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:26,360 Thinking as a criminal justice type of person, how did she get 395 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:34,560 her brother and her dad to help her kill her child? 396 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,440 You know, we've been talking about trying to find the demon 397 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,520 inside. Could this little girl have been 398 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:51,920 possessed or was the demon possessing the three people into 399 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:57,920 seeing what he wanted them to see and they ended up killing 400 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,440 this poor little girl? Thanks for listening guys. 401 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,120 Talk to you soon. See y'all next week. 402 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,240 Don't forget to subscribe to the Demon Inside Podcast on any 403 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,000 podcast platform. A new episode of the Demon 404 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,800 Inside will be released every week. 405 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,240 Let us know what you think of the episode on all our social 406 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,040 media platforms. If you have any questions or 407 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,160 comments, go to thedemoninsidepodcast@gmail.com 408 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,680 or click on the link down below. 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