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Hello, my demon insiders, and 12 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,760 welcome back to The Demon Inside. 13 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,680 I'm your host, John Benham, and today we are going to be talking 14 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,120 about the Demon Inside Michael Miller. 15 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,840 I want to give a warning before I start talking about this 16 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,680 episode because this is a crime against children. 17 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,480 Michael Miller killed his wife and his two kids. 18 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,240 His daughter was 10 and his son was 4. 19 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,280 Here's the other thing. When I first started to look at 20 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:44,440 this case, for some odd reason, I had a feeling that it wasn't 21 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,120 possession. And I kept replaying it over and 22 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,560 over again because it kept popping up on YouTube. 23 00:01:51,240 --> 00:02:00,360 And I think that this is one of those cases that I'm not sure if 24 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:07,800 it was possession or if it was mental illness or if this guy 25 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,080 just was a plain out, straight out killer. 26 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:20,680 He talks a lot about God and the devil, but he doesn't have any 27 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,480 of the signs that we've seen on other episodes. 28 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,840 You know, sometimes when they talk, there's, they talk very 29 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:37,080 slowly or they, you know, they have delusions, they look around 30 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:43,440 the room and things like that. Maybe he did have schizophrenia. 31 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,920 I'm not sure. But there was a couple of things 32 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:54,280 in there that convinced me that this could have been demonic 33 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,360 infestation or demonic oppression. 34 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,880 But before we get into that, let's start with a little bit of 35 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,960 background. Now, I couldn't find too much on 36 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,360 Michael Miller because this happened May 30th of 2009. 37 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:13,400 And what I got was him and his wife had been together for 11 38 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,800 years. They had met when they were 39 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:23,080 working at a burger place and within the year they had their 40 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:27,120 daughter. And, you know, they had their 41 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,880 ups and their downs and things like that. 42 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:34,160 And according to neighbors, supposedly they had a lot of 43 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,840 arguments. Now, there wasn't really 44 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,320 anything in police files that I could find. 45 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,120 So if there was arguments, nobody ever called the police. 46 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:50,880 This case reminded me of Deborah Jeter. 47 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,560 If you remember the case of Deborah Jeter, she killed her 48 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,840 two daughters in an abandoned house. 1 was still alive, 49 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:07,080 bleeding to death when Deborah called 911 to have an ambulance 50 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,440 go and pick them up. And that's pretty much what 51 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,960 Michael Miller did. He did the same thing where he 52 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:19,000 calls 911 to let them know that he just killed his family. 53 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:29,640 So I'm going to play you the 911 call and listen to what he says. 54 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:35,080 911 What is your emergency? I just killed my family with the 55 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:35,400 knife. All of. 56 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:36,640 Them. All three of them. 57 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,200 What's your name? Michael Miller This isn't a 58 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,160 joke. I'm. 59 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,600 Sorry. This isn't a joke. 60 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,920 OK, I'm not here. Right away because I am 61 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,760 terrified. Are you sure they're not 62 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,520 breathing? My son was. 63 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,200 Where's your wife at? They're all here in the kitchen. 64 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,880 OK, you need to stay on the phone with me. 65 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,200 OK, just stay on the phone with me. 66 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,360 Your name is Littigan. Mike Michael Miller. 67 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,480 Michael. OK, why have you been having 68 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,880 some problems? I don't know if it did 69 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,000 something, but I'm not myself. I I am. 70 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:15,120 I'm possessed. Where's your wife at? 71 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,680 In the kitchen? Is she on the floor? 72 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,200 Is she on the floor? She's on the floor. 73 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,800 OK, what's her name? It's Leona Miller. 74 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,480 Have you been drinking tonight? No, I'm not OK. 75 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,640 You don't have any other weapons on you? 76 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:34,800 No. OK. 77 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,560 What color shirt do you have on? I'm in my underwear. 78 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:39,840 Yeah, I've got officers on the way. 79 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:41,760 You just need to stay on the phone with me till they get 80 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:42,840 there, OK? Do you? 81 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:44,320 Is there anybody else in the house? 82 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,840 No. Do you have the shirt on or just 83 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:51,080 your underwear? I'm just in. 84 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:57,920 I'm just in regular underwear. Are there any other weapons 85 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,360 inside the house? No. 86 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,400 Are you sure that you did this and you're not dreaming? 87 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:13,680 No, I'm, I'm positive. I'm positive they are. 88 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,600 Yeah, they are over there. They are dead. 89 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,200 I'm not dreaming. Get them over here. 90 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,640 OK, they're on the way. Mike, you need to stay on the 91 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,760 phone with me, OK, OK, I've got them on the way. 92 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,600 Why would your family be up this early in the morning in the 93 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,200 kitchen? Well, my. 94 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,000 I, I work nights and I, I, they woke up, I was driving my wife 95 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,120 with the knife and my kids came out. 96 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,960 I I killed my wife and I killed both my kids. 97 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,200 OK, Are you sure you're not dreaming, Michael? 98 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,080 I'm positive. I swear to God this is real. 99 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,560 Do you have any blood on your hands? 100 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,520 Yeah, it's all over me. It's all over me. 101 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,440 OK, Michael, I like I said, I'm staying on the phone with you 102 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:50,480 till we get there. OK? 103 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:51,880 You just need to stay on the phone with me. 104 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,000 Can you go to another room? I'm outside, I'm waiting for 105 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,440 them to come. No, I don't want you to be 106 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,040 outside. OK, I'm outside. 107 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,000 God, Jesus, what's helping? Where do you work at? 108 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,880 John's Pizza. And you just got off work. 109 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,800 No, I got off yesterday at 9. I came home but I couldn't 110 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,280 sleep. I haven't, I haven't been 111 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,360 sleeping. I had really a hard, hard, hard, 112 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,280 hard, hard time. Sleeping OK, so you haven't been 113 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,160 to sleep tonight and why would you? 114 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,040 Why is your family up at this time of the morning? 115 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:28,960 Because I scared the shit out of them. 116 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,920 I was screaming at the top of my lungs and I killed them. 117 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,840 Do you have any other family members here in the Glendale 118 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,240 area? Not in Glendale? 119 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,280 Well, her family. My family lives here. 120 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,760 Have you ever had any type of thoughts of doing this before? 121 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,840 Never. Never, ever, ever. 122 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,880 It just hit me like a brick in the face. 123 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,160 I don't even know why I did it. I don't even have. 124 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,920 The wrong reason, Michael, I'm I'm hoping that you're just 125 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,760 dreaming this. I pray. 126 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,040 To God, this is a. Dream, I hope. 127 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,080 To God this is a dream. I hope I am just fucking 128 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,480 freaking out. I hope to God it is, but it's 129 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,720 not It's real. God, please. 130 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,560 It's your son, and who else? My daughter. 131 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,440 Can you go over and? Can you? 132 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:11,720 No, I can't. I cannot. 133 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,760 Why not? I can't look at what I did. 134 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,040 OK, well, you need to, you need to face up to the reality of 135 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,480 this. You need to go and help him, OK? 136 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,680 What can I do? OK, I need Michael. 137 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,120 What can I do? Michael, listen to me. 138 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,360 What I need you to, what I need you to do right now is I need 139 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,760 you to go to the front door and I need you to step outside with 140 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,880 your hands up in the air and stay on the phone with me. 141 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,039 OK? Are you going outside? 142 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,760 Yeah, you're out the front door. Yeah. 143 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,240 So you need to put the phone down and put your hands up in 144 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:47,400 the air. So when police arrive, he is in 145 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:53,480 his underwear and covered in blood and the police arrest him 146 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,240 and they go into the house and the wife and the daughter are 147 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:02,480 dead. He stabbed them and the son is 148 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:08,200 actually still alive and he survives this whole traumatic 149 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,920 incident. But the son got a lot worse than 150 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,960 the mother and the son and the daughter. 151 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,480 But let's continue first with this. 152 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,000 So when the police arrested him, they took him into the jail 153 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:29,960 holding cell for processing. This is when he started to yell, 154 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,120 hit the doors. He threw feces at the walls. 155 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:42,200 He was just being a complete disruptive person and finally 156 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,240 they get him into an interrogation room. 157 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,200 Now the rest of this show is going to be a lot of what 158 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,400 Michael Miller is talking about in that interrogation. 159 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,480 If you want to hear the entire interrogation, I suggest going 160 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,640 to YouTube and looking up my Michael Miller interrogation and 161 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,880 you'll see it. They even show him his video of 162 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,800 him sitting there and talking and discussing all these things. 163 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:11,480 But I'm going to start off with this. 164 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:18,920 So when the police went through the house, they found a 63 page 165 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:29,920 files that had diagnosis of schizophrenia, schizoaffective 166 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:35,240 bipolar, things like that. And so this was one of the 167 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:40,040 reasons that the police thought that maybe he was looking into 168 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:45,640 this to be able to claim that he was crazy. 169 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,080 But there's another option as well. 170 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,480 Maybe the wife was looking into it because she was worried about 171 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:58,000 him, or maybe he was looking into it himself because he knew 172 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,360 that something wasn't right. And he discusses this too. 173 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,520 He says that for some odd reason, he didn't feel right for 174 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,200 a long time. So when the police start asking 175 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:14,360 him questions about what happened, I'm going to play that 176 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,360 right now. Take a listen to this. 177 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,440 Well, I got sick. I got sick in November. 178 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:27,080 I was hospitalized NN December. I started seeing him in November 179 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,560 or December of 03. What? 180 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,120 Do you mean you got sick? I thought people were following 181 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,480 me. I thought, I thought, I thought 182 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:39,360 cars were following me. I thought people were trying to 183 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,600 kill me. I saw the spiritual battle that 184 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,560 was being fought and it made me panic because I couldn't 185 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:46,600 understand. You know, the Bible says that 186 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:53,040 even even earth is it sees what happens and it, and it trembles. 187 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,280 And I know I sometimes I saw the other day, I saw something that 188 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,560 kind of freaked me out. And I what, what happened was it 189 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:01,920 was I saw a crab like a, like a, like a sand crab. 190 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:05,440 I, I saw it walking and I looked and then it turned into a leaf. 191 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,000 So I'm really sick. So this is one of those things 192 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:16,520 that bothered me about this case because he talks about this crab 193 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:23,640 that turns into a leaf. I remember Austin Haroff talking 194 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:28,320 about a turtle that was going to attack his dad, himself and a 195 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,800 sister. Now, Austin Haroff never used 196 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,880 that as an excuse saying, oh, I'm going crazy. 197 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:40,960 But Michael Miller admits that the crab turning into a leaf 198 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:47,320 wasn't real because he says that he's getting sick and he notices 199 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:52,920 it as that. So is he fully aware of the way 200 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,080 he is? Or is this just an an elaborate 201 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,480 hoax? So let's continue. 202 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,920 You know, obviously we need to talk about what happened with 203 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,320 you calling us and calling the department, the Police 204 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:09,640 Department over. Can you just tell me what 205 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,000 happened? I was at home. 206 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,160 I didn't get any sleep last night. 207 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,920 My wife, my wife got up and we were running around the house 208 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,240 doing stuff and I pulled out a knife and I stabbed her. 209 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,480 I stabbed her, stabbed my daughter, stabbed my son, 210 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:30,440 punched my son in the face. I was trying to kill him, but it 211 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,960 wasn't me, really. It wasn't me. 212 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,240 Who was it it? Was it was me? 213 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,160 You said it was you, yes. OK. 214 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,960 Happened. I said a prayer with my son, I 215 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,920 rubbed his back and I said a prayer, tucked him in and he 216 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,640 fell asleep. What kind of prayer is it? 217 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:55,760 Like a. Standard Jesus. 218 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:56,680 No, we don't. We don't. 219 00:13:56,680 --> 00:13:58,560 We don't usually pray. We don't usually pray. 220 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,320 We just two weeks ago, I feel like I've been, I've been 221 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,240 baptized with the Holy Spirit, with fire. 222 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,760 I feel like I'm on fire for the Lord. 223 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,760 So I'm trying to pray with him and teach him well. 224 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,920 I'm not trying. I am praying with him and I'm 225 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,640 doing things that the Lord wants us to do. 226 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:13,640 What do you guys pray about? Pray. 227 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:19,680 About I pray that the Lord would keep him safe. 228 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,440 We we thank them for the house, we thank them for the car. 229 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,200 We thank them for the food. We thank them for mommy and 230 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,680 daddy. So just your standard kind of a 231 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,360 thank you to Jesus prayer. Yeah. 232 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:30,640 OK. And then what happened? 233 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,760 Then I went and tucked in my daughter. 234 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,360 Uh huh. Did you did you pray with your? 235 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,280 Daughter. No, I don't think so. 236 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,200 OK. Now for me, this part is 237 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,000 interesting because he talks about how he prayed with his 238 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,680 son, but he doesn't talk about praying with his daughter. 239 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,080 So obviously he was a lot closer to his son than his daughter. 240 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:58,000 Also, he says that two weeks prior to this, he felt like he 241 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:03,640 was on fire from the Lord. And we've talked about this 242 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:08,080 before where people feel like they're on fire so they strip 243 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,040 down and get naked. Now this is one of the things 244 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,840 that convinced me that it might be demonic because when they 245 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,160 found him, he was in his underwear. 246 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,480 So it's possible that he stripped down because he was 247 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,120 enveloped in that fire feeling that people get. 248 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:34,080 Let's continue. And then, then I, then we tried, 249 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,240 tried to sleep, I've tried to go to sleep, but well, I listened 250 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,000 to my headphones when I was laying down, my MP3 player was 251 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,160 listening to my headphones and I laid down in bed and she fell 252 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,440 asleep. And I, I didn't fall asleep at 253 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,400 all. I, I, I kind of meditated for 254 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:54,000 two hours and then I got up and I lost train of thought that I 255 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,400 meditated and I got up and I, I went on the computer. 256 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,600 I think I, God help me, I'm, what am I, what am I do? 257 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,160 That's when the fighting started. 258 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,000 When? I do you know what time this was 259 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:10,160 about? The fighting, yeah, I want to 260 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,240 stay about 8:00. Well, you got home at 10:20. 261 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:14,840 Oh, no, we didn't fight that night. 262 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,320 The fight was was this morning. Yeah, morning. 263 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:18,080 What? What time? 264 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,280 What time were you guys fighting? 265 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:20,880 Oh, we were fighting probably about. 266 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,520 That was probably about four in the morning when I was when I 267 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,800 went on the computer, I think. Oh, OK, so you've been up that? 268 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,280 Whole time, yeah, I've been up the whole time. 269 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,120 OK yeah. And then you're. 270 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,280 Just having a hard time sleeping. 271 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,120 I I yeah, I have, I have medicine to help me sleep caused 272 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,120 me the sleepwalk and do stuff in my sleepwalking. 273 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,400 So not taking that anymore. No, no, I'm not taking that 274 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:40,520 anymore. So I'm taking something else 275 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,000 now. And does that seem to work? 276 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,360 It worked the first night, but it didn't work last night. 277 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,880 Have you only been on it 2 days? Yes, OK. 278 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,280 So you took the pill last night? Yes. 279 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:50,680 OK. And you? 280 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,440 Didn't sleep no about. 4:00 AM, you said. 281 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,800 About four, AMI woke up. And what happened? 282 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,280 She, my wife got mad at me, really mad at me for yelling and 283 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:04,000 or she got mad at me for, for not for not sleeping. 284 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,280 I go, babe, you can't get mad at me for not sleeping. 285 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,960 It's not, it's not my fault. And she well, no, no, no, no, 286 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,920 no, no. She goes off and I say, what the 287 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,760 is your problem? And then I started meditating in 288 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:22,920 my brain and I started thinking, OK, well, God the Father, Jesus, 289 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,200 the son, who's the spirit, who's the spirit of God. 290 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,280 And I started thinking it was Lucifer. 291 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,080 I thought it was Satan. I thought it was God the Father. 292 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,320 I thought he was married to Lucifer and they had a son named 293 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,240 Jesus. That's what I thought. 294 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,920 And then then I was indwelt by Satan and I killed him. 295 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,040 Well, wait, let's talk about that. 296 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,840 You said you're enveloped with Satan. 297 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,080 What? Was the word indwelt? 298 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,960 What does that mean? Consumed tell. 299 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,560 Me a little bit about that when you said you're you're Satan was 300 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,760 in you what what happens. I lost all control. 301 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,320 I had no self-control. None. 302 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:04,240 I I I just, I just snapped and she became like a demon and I 303 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,360 just. So what'd you do? 304 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,840 I killed her how? With the knife. 305 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,080 Where was the knife? I stabbed her a lot, I don't 306 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:16,600 know where. I mean where, where, Where's the 307 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:17,520 knife? Where did you get the knife? 308 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:24,880 In our, in our, in our knife, in our knife holder thing like. 309 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,800 Tell me, how did you stab her? I mean, was she on the ground or 310 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,920 was she standing up? I blacked out. 311 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,520 I I I stabbed her at least four times. 312 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,880 OK. Do you know? 313 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,880 Where you stabbed her. No. 314 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,040 OK, OK. Oh, God, no. 315 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,360 All right. Say OK. 316 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:50,680 I would. I'll tell you everything what's 317 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,000 going on. I just don't want to leave our 318 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,160 train. At that here, I'm sorry. 319 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,320 Did you stab her first? Yes. 320 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,640 I was screaming at her. I was screaming at her. 321 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,800 I said shut the fuck up. I started taking songs from 322 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,880 Eminem's music. I started taking lyrics from 323 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,640 Eminem's music and saying you're going to die, Here comes Satan, 324 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:09,880 I'm the Antichrist, I'm going to kill you. 325 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,440 You're gone. And I and I started stabbing 326 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,680 her. I did. 327 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,680 I did. How many do you know how many 328 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,840 times you stabbed her? If I was the guest I would say 329 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,640 4, but maybe 3, maybe 5. And was she standing up or was 330 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,400 she on the ground? She was standing up. 331 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,000 I think I got her in the stomach OK. 332 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,360 And then she fell to the ground or yeah, did you stab her while 333 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:33,880 she was on the ground? In the heart. 334 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:37,920 Did you punch her at all? Yes, in the face. 335 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,040 Before or after you stabbed her? Maybe both What? 336 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,760 Happened to your hand. This was when I was holding the 337 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,120 knife. I was trying to stab her. 338 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:51,160 She had her hand on it too and she was trying to push it away 339 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,120 and that's when I pulled it back and then my hand slipped and I 340 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:57,320 cut my finger and then I then I sunk it into her did. 341 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,360 You kick her. Yeah, I think so. 342 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,080 In the legs. Why did you kick her? 343 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,400 Kick her while she's down, yeah. Make sure she's down. 344 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,840 Make sure she's down. Did Was she begging for for you 345 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,320 not to do it? Was she telling you not to do 346 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:15,120 it? Yes, she was begging. 347 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:17,400 What was she saying? Mike, don't do this. 348 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,400 Don't do this. You don't know what you're 349 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,160 doing. You don't know what you're 350 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,680 doing. Stop, stop, stop. 351 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,080 She was, she was in a panic. I've never seen her like that. 352 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,480 And I never want to see her like that again. 353 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,320 And then he stabbed in the chest, yes. 354 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,720 Did she say anything after that? I don't remember. 355 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:30,760 I was. I was so. 356 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:36,760 Enraged so his wife, with her last breath, she was calling out 357 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,320 to her daughter to call for help. 358 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,320 I said she's not going to hear you, you're all by yourself. 359 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:51,720 And the daughter, well, let me just give you a warning because 360 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,120 he's going to describe what he did to his daughter and his son 361 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:56,840 next. And it's very graphic. 362 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:02,680 So again with the warning. So now the interrogator talks 363 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,480 about his daughter. I stabbed my daughter too. 364 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,120 So tell me about that it. Was almost like God just put her 365 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:12,440 there. I didn't see her coming. 366 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,360 She was just there all of a sudden and and that scared me. 367 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,520 I'm not going to lie that scared me and I just take it out on 368 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,960 her. I was, I was furious. 369 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,920 I don't know what I was furious about though. 370 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,120 She was screaming and I I grabbed a knife and I started 371 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:32,080 walking towards her and she started panicking like you would 372 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,080 not believe. She came over and she started 373 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,760 freaking out. Daddy stop and I got her. 374 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,480 I think I got her by the hair or by the arm and just sunk it in 375 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,440 her right in the middle of her chest. 376 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,080 I just don't. I just don't get right into her 377 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,760 chest. And where? 378 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,560 Where was your first? When did you stab to her? 379 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,680 Where was the first stab? The heart hurt, I think. 380 00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:59,440 And how many stabs after? Maybe 1? 381 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,320 And where was that? Maybe the arm or the stomach. 382 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,080 She was dead. She had a purple face. 383 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,320 OK. So she came out after you were 384 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,200 stabbing your wife? No, I had the knife in my hand 385 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,320 and I was and I was going to stab her when she came out. 386 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,440 When your daughter came out, yes, because you knew she was 387 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,080 going to come out. Or I didn't know she was going 388 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,000 to come out. I thought, I thought there was a 389 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,720 certain spell on the House and I didn't think she would actually 390 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,560 get up and come out. I thought I thought Satan was 391 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,520 going to keep everyone asleep so I could just kill her. 392 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,840 But I didn't know what I was going to do with the other two 393 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,160 kids. Wait, what? 394 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,440 No, I do. I was going to kill my wife, but 395 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,760 I didn't know what to do with them. 396 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,200 It's, it's kind of, it's kind of patchy. 397 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,360 I don't have exact, I don't have exact frame frame by frame 398 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:43,000 details 'cause I'm the whole time I was in there I was trying 399 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,280 to ignore it and and fight it and and and not and not not see 400 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,120 it. Did you punch her? 401 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,160 I don't think so. OK, I don't think so. 402 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,600 OK, you said her eyes were open. Yeah. 403 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:00,720 Did you leave the knife in her or did you just stab her with I? 404 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,880 Just stabbed her and took it out OK. 405 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,840 Was it the same knife as with your wife? 406 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,040 Yes. Oh, OK. 407 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:11,200 So what found, what I found curious about this was that he 408 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:18,160 said that the Lord must have put her there and but he kind of 409 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,640 flip flops. I think like he wanted to kill 410 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,920 his whole family, but he's trying to play it off that he 411 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,840 didn't. Because here's the thing, he 412 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,080 said that the daughter just appeared and that he got scared, 413 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:40,480 but he still killed her. Now he never says that the son 414 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,760 came into the kitchen where he had killed his wife and killed 415 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,360 his daughter. So I'm assuming that he went to 416 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,120 the son's room and killed the son there. 417 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,440 Now I'm going to play what he did to his son. 418 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,880 And like I said, this is heartbreaking. 419 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,480 This is a four year old little boy who he says he loved more 420 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,360 than anything in the world. Take a listen. 421 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,240 And you said you're what, ruthless with him? 422 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:17,200 Or what was the word? No mercy, no mercy at all with 423 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,200 him. I went after him so hard and so 424 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,600 fast. And was he telling you to stop? 425 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,720 He was just screaming Daddy, daddy, daddy. 426 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,120 I was the worst on him. I stabbed him the most. 427 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,880 I stabbed him in the back. I, I stuck it in his arm and 428 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,200 twisted it. I I him up. 429 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,000 Yeah, why would you stab him? You know, lately I've been 430 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,000 talking so much about my son and going to work. 431 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,920 I'm talking about how I love my son and how dear he is to my 432 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,920 heart and how precious he is and how God has blessed me with him. 433 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:55,200 And and then I go and do something like that where I just 434 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,480 lose control. Why? 435 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:01,200 Why? Why? 436 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,320 Why your son? The devil had me. 437 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,480 It wasn't me. It wasn't me. 438 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,600 It was me, but it wasn't. It wasn't my insides. 439 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,000 That way I could do that. It wasn't my insides that could 440 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,040 kill my family. But I guess what I'm asking is, 441 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,560 is why him so many times? Because he wouldn't die. 442 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,280 Every time I stab him, you just scream. 443 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:30,320 He's just screaming. Where on his body did you stab 444 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,160 him? You said you got him in the. 445 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,360 Back in the back, in the arm, in the stomach. 446 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,440 I punched him right in the face. I just. 447 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,560 Why'd you punch him in the? Face because I wanted him to die 448 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,720 because I wasn't dwelt by Satan. Then I see my wife laying in a 449 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,720 pool of blood. I see my daughter laying in a 450 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,200 pool of blood. I get up and I I have peace. 451 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,800 I'm like, why do I have peace? How many times again did you say 452 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,120 stabbed him? Probably four or five. 453 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,240 He got the most. If I told you 11, would that be 454 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,640 too much or or not that much? 11 I I'm asking. 455 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,840 That is way too much. Way too much. 456 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,400 Yes, OK. Do you think it's possible that 457 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,960 you stabbed him 11 times? Why do you think it's possible? 458 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,760 Because I wasn't. I wasn't in the right mind. 459 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,960 I was. I was not in the right mind. 460 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,240 Do you think what what you did do you think was wrong? 461 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,440 Yes. Why? 462 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,120 Yes and no. Killing my family is wrong, but 463 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:34,160 it wasn't wrong because God is in control of all things and he 464 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,360 says all things work together for good for those who love the 465 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,080 Lord and I love the Lord. But do you know the difference 466 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,520 between right and wrong? Yes I do. 467 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,600 So you think it's wrong killing your family, but then it's 468 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:44,120 right. But. 469 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,440 No, it's it on the physical sense, it's wrong, but as in the 470 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,680 spiritual level, it's, it's OK. I was like, I feel calm. 471 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,920 I'm like, OK, God is doing something here. 472 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,320 I just don't know what he's doing. 473 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:02,200 And then, and then I then I, I got some blood on me and then I 474 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,960 came and I got into, I don't know what happened to my feet. 475 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:06,440 I don't know what this is all about. 476 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,600 They look like Pearson's, like Jesus. 477 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,080 Then what happened? Then I, I, I tried to make a 478 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,960 cigarette. I, I rolled a cigarette because 479 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,840 I rolled my own cigarettes. So I rolled a cigarette and I 480 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,320 was, I was kind of in a panic. I had peace, but I was in a 481 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,000 panic. I just kind of walked around 482 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,120 like, OK, what do I do? What do I do? 483 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:24,960 And I was looking at them and I was looking at them and I was 484 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,000 like, I just want them just to die. 485 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:30,920 I was so angry at my family. I wanted them dead. 486 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,520 But then I got. Then I got here. 487 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,640 Why were you so angry with your family? 488 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,800 Satan, like I said, I I was telling God I was praying to 489 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,880 God, I was praying to Jesus, Jesus, OK, your father's the 490 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,240 Father and Satan must be the spirit because you know the 491 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,760 spiritual side comes from. I know. 492 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,480 But what I'm asking you is, is is why are you so mad at the 493 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,240 family? I don't know. 494 00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:59,960 I don't know. I don't. 495 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,880 I've, I've never had that kind of anger or hate towards them 496 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,480 like I had this morning. OK. 497 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:11,880 So now Michael is trying to go back to his philosophy on where 498 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:18,800 Satan is the Holy Spirit and the officer doesn't let him do that. 499 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,680 He keeps pushing towards why, you know, he committed this 500 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,960 crime, but in a little bit he's going to actually let him talk 501 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,280 about what he sees in the spiritual world. 502 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,120 So take a listen to this. I saw you. 503 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,960 I saw your bloody footprints down the hallway towards your 504 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,080 bedroom, OK? And you're dripping blood. 505 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,520 Why did you go back there? To pray to Jesus and thank him 506 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,080 for what he did. What did he do? 507 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,040 He saved my family's life. How did he save their lives? 508 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,240 He used me to shoot him or stab him. 509 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,360 He didn't shoot him. He used me to stab them and then 510 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,760 he brought them back to newness of life. 511 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,080 What do you mean by newness of life? 512 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:04,040 He forg. He my calling is my calling is 513 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:09,640 my calling in life is to witness to Mormons and Catholics. 514 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:17,040 My I see the spiritual, I see the spiritual realm. 515 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:22,240 OK, I'm a beginner, but I'm but I feel like I'm learning the 516 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:28,640 spiritual realm pretty well. I feel like I feel like God is 517 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,720 doing something with me that's going to be magnificent. 518 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,920 That'll out. That'll just it won't outdo, but 519 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,280 OK. But my question is, is what is 520 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,960 newness of light? Newness of life Well, they were 521 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,520 dead in their trespasses, and now they're raised to newness of 522 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,520 life. They. 523 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:44,920 Are up with the Heavenly Father, they. 524 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,040 Are they are seated in heavenly places? 525 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,680 They are seated in the heavenly places, yes. 526 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,760 Was God talking to you when you were stabbing your family, 527 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,880 killing your family? Yes. 528 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,200 What was God saying? Tell I'm like to Christ them up, 529 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,120 destroy them, destroy them, they are nothing. 530 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,200 OK, but do you think God actually wants your family dead? 531 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,920 That wants your kids dead. No, he's the perfect example of 532 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,160 a family. OK then. 533 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,760 Maybe it was from Satan, but that's not from Satan. 534 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:22,080 Jesus is within me. So Michael talks about being a 535 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:27,440 witness, and it kind of struck a nerve with me because if you'll 536 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,320 remember, Lori Daybell said that at the end of the world, she was 537 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,080 going to be a witness to the end of the world. 538 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,480 And it's just really weird that they would have that same 539 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,160 philosophy. Now, he did bring up the fact 540 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,560 that he was learning the Mormon faith and the Catholic faith, 541 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,200 and he was going to be a witness for that. 542 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:57,120 And remember, Lori Daybell was a Mormon, so could this have been 543 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:04,120 a demon that was tricking him into believing all this 'cause I 544 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,840 do believe that he has a mental condition. 545 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,000 I think he's schizophrenic. I think he might be bipolar. 546 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:18,640 I think he might be, you know, schizoeffective, but at the same 547 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,040 time too, he's very coherent. He's answering the police 548 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,920 officer. He remembers everything. 549 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,800 If you listen to his actual interview, you'll see where he 550 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,880 says that he doesn't remember. And then he brings up like parts 551 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,320 that he does remember, which is pretty much the whole crime now, 552 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,000 when he says he stabbed his son four times and the police 553 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:48,280 officer says 11 times, that reminded me of Isabella Guzman 554 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,960 because when the police officer told her that she killed her mom 555 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:58,280 or stabbed her 151 times, she acted very surprised, just like 556 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,640 Michael did. And you can hear the same kind 557 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,120 of cadence when they refer to that. 558 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,400 So again, was he a cold blooded killer? 559 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:17,800 Was he demon infested or was he just psychotic? 560 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,800 Again, I don't really know because this is one of the cases 561 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:34,280 that I was on the edge about and there are similarities to some 562 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,840 of the other cases we've done. But then again, there's a lot 563 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:45,160 that's not. Could he have been psychotic 564 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,360 plus demon infested? Sure he could have. 565 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,560 Could he be a real killer? Yes he could. 566 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,640 Could he have used all of that to kill his family? 567 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,040 Yes he could have. Thanks for listening guys. 568 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:08,480 I'll talk to you all next week. 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