1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:05,560 Warning, this podcast may be disturbing to some listeners due 2 00:00:05,560 --> 00:00:09,360 to the graphic nature. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,960 Welcome from wherever you are. This is the Demon Inside 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,280 podcast. I'm your host, John Venham. 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,320 If you would like to review another episode of The Demon 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,640 Inside, you can go to Spotify, Apple Music, Google Podcast, 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,240 iHeartRadio and any podcast platform. 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,800 And please don't forget to subscribe and rate US with five 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,920 stars. A new episode will come out once 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:58,760 a week. We will be right back after a 11 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:10,840 word from our sponsors. And welcome back to the demon 12 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:16,440 inside, New at 530. Day three of testimony at the 13 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,040 trial of the Upper West Side nanny accused of brutally 14 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,160 stabbing two children in her care. 15 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,520 Today, more gut wrenching testimony as jurors heard from 16 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,680 first responders and others who heard the mothers anguished 17 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,920 calls for help. Eyewitness News reporter 18 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,760 Danielle Lee in court today. She's joining us now from lower 19 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,080 Manhattan with more Danielle Diana. 20 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,960 Witnesses repeatedly used the word evil and horrifying to 21 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:46,200 describe what they saw that evening, October 25th, 2012. 22 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,240 And while the descriptions of two young children nearly 23 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,280 decapitated are hard enough to bear, for the first time today, 24 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,480 jurors saw crime scene photos of that. 25 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,920 Carnage Building Superintendent Michael. 26 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,760 Manahan at times. Struggled to speak describing 27 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,440 the slaughter in the Upper West Side apartment complex where he 28 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,840 worked. I just saw red, he said. 29 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,960 Were calling rushing to a second floor apartment in response to a 30 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,280 mother's cries for help. Police say Marina Krim arrived 31 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,040 home with her 3 year old daughter to discover the family 32 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,720 nanny, Yoselyn Ortega, had slit the throats of her two other 33 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,680 children. Ages 2:00 and 6:00. 34 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,720 Then they say Ortega turned the knife on herself. 35 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,200 Of Ortega, the Super said I. Opened the door and I see 36 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,000 someone. Staring with the eyes of the 37 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,560 devil right in my face, one of the. 38 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,600 First officers to respond to 9/1. 39 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,800 One calls Detective Bradley. Gore remembered the Super 40 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,280 meeting him at the door and saying whatever is in there is 41 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,720 evil. Gore says he saw the children in 42 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,200 the bathroom. Tub and Ortega. 43 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,000 On the floor with struggling to breathe, a knife by her side and 44 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,600 another in the sink, much of the bathroom soaked in blood. 45 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,600 Jurors fought back tears and covered their eyes as the 46 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,240 prosecution showed photos of that terrible scene. 47 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,280 One paramedic remembered. It was probably the most 48 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,200 horrendous scene I have ever seen. 49 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,840 Defense attorneys are using an insanity defense, but 50 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,520 prosecutors say that Ortega was jealous of the kids mom and that 51 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,000 she committed these heinous crimes because she was upset 52 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:18,880 about her pay and ours. Hello my demon insiders and 53 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,960 welcome back to the demon inside. 54 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,360 I'm your host, John Venom, and today we are doing the demon 55 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:34,720 inside Yoselyn Ortega, and I believe that this lady was 56 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:40,120 actually possessed. But before we start that, let's 57 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,680 give a little background on who she is. 58 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:48,280 So Yoselyn Ortega was born May 1st, 1962 in the Dominican 59 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,600 Republic and she was the 2nd youngest of eight siblings. 60 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,440 Her parents owned a bodega and she started working there when 61 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,360 she was seven years old, along with the rest of her family. 62 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:07,440 As she got older, when she was 16, she had a horrible 63 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,720 experience. Her sister, who was 12 years old 64 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,120 and she was the youngest. She passed away from a brain 65 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:25,400 aneurysm and Yoselyn became very depressed to the point where she 66 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:33,960 stayed indoors for a year. Now here's the thing with me, If 67 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,920 you're indoors and you're depressed about a loved one who 68 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:44,400 has gone, who has passed over, a lot of people start praying that 69 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:50,280 they would like to hear her voice or see her one more time 70 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:55,720 or be able to reach out to her. I'm thinking somewhere during 71 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,480 that time she did that because after that incident she started 72 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,040 to see demons. She started to see shadow 73 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,160 people. When she started hearing and 74 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:11,320 seeing the shadow people and and demons that she says they would 75 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,320 talk to her and tell her that she needed to hurt other people 76 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,600 or hurt herself. She goes to the psychologist 77 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,280 about the depression. They give her medicine but she 78 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:28,480 never tells them about the hallucinations or the voices. 79 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,560 She says the voices get so loud that she would wake up in the 80 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,360 middle of the night. She says they weren't coming 81 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,360 from her head, they were coming from an outside source but yet 82 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,520 nobody ever heard them. She only talked about it to like 83 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,160 certain few family members that she trusted, but she continued 84 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,960 her life and in 1985, she actually graduated from the 85 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,520 university and got a degree in accounting. 86 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,400 While she was in the Dominican Republic, she moved to New York 87 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,440 where one of her sisters was living now. 88 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:11,800 And in 1995, she got married and she had a son whose name was 89 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,920 Jesus, our Jesus. She ended up breaking up with 90 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,800 the husband and they got a divorce in 1999 and she moved 91 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,720 back to the Dominican Republic with her son to raise him. 92 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:30,440 So she decides that she needs more money so she has to come 93 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,080 back to the United States, but she leaves her son there with 94 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,720 one of her sisters to take care of. 95 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,080 In 2008, she decides to move back to the Dominican Republic 96 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,520 to be with her son and help raise him. 97 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:55,920 But in April of 2008, one of her friends shoots himself in the 98 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:03,800 head in in her family's balcony of her childhood home. 99 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,400 This really messes with her because she gets into this 100 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:19,600 depressive stage again and she starts getting paranoid about 101 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:24,760 crimes happening. And her son says that at that 102 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:32,480 time she was very like scared of violent crimes coming into her 103 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,280 house. As a matter of fact, she 104 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,120 wouldn't leave the house, and she wouldn't let him leave the 105 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,760 house unless he was going to school. 106 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,080 And at night, whenever the dogs would bark, she would hide him 107 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,560 under the bed because she was afraid that criminals were going 108 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,280 to come in. Now, here's the thing. 109 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,680 When she would walk out of the house, she said she heard voices 110 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,440 commanding her to go back inside. 111 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:58,720 Because of these reasons, one of her sisters takes control and 112 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:04,040 begins to raise her son as a caretaker, and Yoselyn returns 113 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,240 to the United States. So Yoselyn comes to the United 114 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:14,320 States and gets a job as a nanny with a family who had three kids 115 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,520 and Jocelyn was doing a great job. 116 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,600 The parents loved her. She treated the kids as if they 117 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,520 were her own. She always told people she had 118 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,360 four kids, which was the three she was taking care of and her 119 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,600 own son. She was a happy go lucky person, 120 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,640 but in the second year of working there she started having 121 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,760 financial problems. This is when her son came to 122 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:46,480 live with her in New York. She had to go and find an 123 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:52,360 apartment for him and her and the cost of living was too much 124 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,040 and they had to move back in with her family. 125 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,960 And by this time, the apartment that the family had, there was 126 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,520 other people living there, her sisters, their families. 127 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,760 So we're talking about like eight adults and children in a 128 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:16,560 small apartment in New York. Plus, he wasn't able to go to 129 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:19,720 public school because they wanted to hold him back a grade. 130 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:27,640 So she paid for a Catholic school, private school, and it 131 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:33,400 cost her a lot of money. Now here's the problem is that 132 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:39,720 she's starting to feel the stress of not having enough 133 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,360 money. So she goes to the family and 134 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:47,720 ask them basically if she could have more money for the job that 135 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,640 she's doing now. They tell her, hey look, you 136 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,040 know we can't give you more money, but if you work more 137 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:59,440 hours we can pay you more. So she does and she's cleaning 138 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,040 the house and things like that. But then she starts complaining 139 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,640 saying that she's only the babysitter and they should give 140 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,720 her more money like a raise or something. 141 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:14,720 But at that point, which was closer to the time that the 142 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,640 incident happened, which is probably 6 months before, the 143 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,520 couple was kind of hesitant about keeping her around because 144 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,560 they were saying that she wasn't as good as she was when she 145 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:28,920 first started. So could this have been demonic 146 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,880 oppression? Yes, demonic oppression has 147 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:38,160 severe financial or unemployment problems, depression, anxiety, 148 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,960 illness. I mean, anything to take a 149 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:47,080 person out of Commission. Jocelyn starts getting angry 150 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:52,640 about this, and this is the police talking about why she did 151 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,720 what she did, because they believe that she was doing it 152 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:00,280 for revenge. But Jocelyn was changing. 153 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,680 Everybody was seeing a change in her. 154 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,440 To her friends and family that were close to Yoslyn, they said 155 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,960 that she was not acting like herself, she was not eating 156 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:18,880 anymore, she was losing weight, she looked very old for her age, 157 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:26,680 she would cry frequently. She was no longer this happy go 158 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:33,520 lucky person. She was this woman who was very 159 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,920 sad, like she wasn't there anymore. 160 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,520 She couldn't sleep anymore. She had insomnia. 161 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:46,360 She began to speak cryptically about shadow figures and voices 162 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,560 who were trying to divide her family, and she was even saying 163 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,280 that she was losing her mind to demonic possession. 164 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,680 Now this is Yoselyn. She's saying that she was losing 165 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:06,640 her mind to demonic possession. So in her room she would see 166 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,200 shadowy figures of people running around the room saying 167 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,040 things like they were going to cut her throat and that they 168 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:17,120 were going to get her. She and she spends almost all of 169 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,320 her free time in this room and her sister can hear her praying 170 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,440 constantly asking God to take away the things that she was 171 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,040 feeling in her body and thinking in her mind. 172 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:35,600 So because of the way she's feeling, she goes to a 173 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:41,920 psychiatrist to get help, but she doesn't talk about her 174 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,080 voices in her head. What she talks about is all the 175 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,760 stress from work that she's working too much, not getting 176 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,920 enough pay. She has to live with her sister 177 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:55,760 and the family in a small little apartment, and she can't provide 178 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,960 for her son. And so on the morning of October 179 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,920 25th, Jesus goes to school and Yoselyn confirms that he made it 180 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,960 because he sends her a text after the bus picks him up. 181 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,280 OK, so that's probably the last text she receives. 182 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:17,320 Anyway, Yoselyn leaves the house and hangs a purse on the door of 183 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,560 her sister's room. The purse contains listen to 184 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:24,000 this family heirlooms, pictures of their deceased mother and her 185 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,760 mother's passport, Social Security card, a chain belonging 186 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,000 to her mother alongside a broken ring and earring. 187 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,880 Jesus babies Jesus's baby teeth with pictures of him as a baby 188 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,920 as well as photos of her, her and her sisters, all as 189 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:47,000 children. And she goes to the neighbor and 190 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,920 she tells the neighbor and gives her an envelope address to her 191 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,680 sister. Inside is her debit card, her 192 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:56,400 license, two insurance cards, her passport, Social Security 193 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,200 card and a blood donor card, bank papers and $100.00. 194 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:06,080 So the neighbor says this. When police talked to her, they 195 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,760 said that Jocelyn also talked about a black shadow that was 196 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:15,440 stalking her. The neighbor said that Jocelyn 197 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:24,600 spoke to her while she was like mashing her teeth and her eyes 198 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,440 were frantically darting from one side to the other. 199 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:33,120 She was constantly pacing back and forth and the communication 200 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:38,160 is described as if one was speaking to a demon. 201 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,560 That's what Jocelyn looked like to the neighbor. 202 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,920 She gets to work. She she ghost gets the two year 203 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,280 old from the house. She picks up the little girl 204 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:51,960 from school. They don't go to the dance 205 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,280 class, they go to the Central Park. 206 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,840 The mom leaves the house at 4:00 PM with her other daughter and 207 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:02,000 Jocelyn. Jocelyn can be seen on CCTV 208 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,080 footage just before 4:00 PM returning to the apartment with 209 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:11,520 two with the two kids. As she enters the building, she 210 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,720 asks the doorman is the mother home? 211 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:19,000 The doorman responds that she had just left and he notes that 212 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,920 this was a very strange interaction As for the entire 213 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:27,240 two years that he knew her as the nanny for the Crams, she 214 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:34,520 never had uttered a word to him. In the elevator on the way up to 215 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,920 the apartment, a neighbor recall seeing the children with their 216 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:44,880 nanny and the neighbor says to the young girl that the the 217 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,120 young girl was in high spirits dancing around and excitedly 218 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,920 telling her that she'll be going to dance later. 219 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,080 Now remember the they had three kids and two of the kids are 220 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,400 with the nanny and the nanny is taking them up to the room and 221 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:03,280 the two kids that she was taking care of were six and two at the 222 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:10,080 time of this incident. 20 minutes go by later that the mom 223 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:15,800 goes to the place where to pick up her daughter and her son, and 224 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,520 they're not there. So she kind of like gets upset 225 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:26,080 and she goes home 'cause she's thinking, well, maybe they went 226 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,720 home. She starts texting Yoselyn and 227 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:33,920 Yoselyn doesn't text back. She says to the doorman if he 228 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,400 knows where they're at. And the doorman says, Oh yeah, I 229 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,600 saw him a while ago and they went upstairs. 230 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,360 She goes into her apartment. She says that it's very quiet 231 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,320 and she looks around and she sees the stroller for the baby 232 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,960 and she doesn't see any of the lights on or anything. 233 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,520 She goes into the bathroom and she turns on the light. 234 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:03,040 As she turns on the light in the bathroom, she sees her two 235 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:08,800 children in the bathtub, covered with blood. 236 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:15,880 They had been stabbed over and over and over again, and their 237 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,119 throats had been slit. She screams. 238 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,720 But the minute before she screams, she opens the door. 239 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,200 She sees the kids. She looks at Yoselyn. 240 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,680 Yoselyn looks at her. Yoselyn stabs herself in the 241 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,800 throat so severely that she breaks 2 bones in her neck. 242 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,720 Now, after the Superintendent hears the mother screaming and 243 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,480 runs out of the building with her daughter, the doorman calls 244 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,600 911 and the Superintendent rushes up to the apartment to 245 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:59,120 see what's going on. That's when he goes into the 246 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:06,760 bathroom and sees, well, let me give you what he says. 247 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:13,120 He says, and I quote. Ortega was staring into the 248 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:17,240 bathroom mirror. Blood was pouring from her dash 249 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:22,560 in her throat and I could see the tub and I could see, I would 250 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,280 say bodies or clothing or something. 251 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,000 I couldn't bear to look at the bodies. 252 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:34,640 All I could see was blood. I did my best to not take my 253 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:39,560 eyes off of Miss Ortega when she turned to look at me. 254 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,800 She had eyes of the devil in quote. 255 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:52,080 So after she turned and looked at him, he ran out of the 256 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:57,920 apartment and he slammed the door shut behind him from the 257 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,600 hallway. He barricaded it and held it 258 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,960 tightly closed until police arrived. 259 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,440 The first responding officer. Now listen to this too. 260 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,320 The Superintendent, this is the officer speaking. 261 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:22,280 So I quote, the Superintendent holding the door says his face 262 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,360 was white, he was sweating, and he was holding the door shut 263 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:32,720 with his two hands and his foot. He said to me, whatever is 264 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,720 behind that door is pure evil. We will be right. 265 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,920 Back after a word from our sponsors and now it's time for 266 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,400 the Uber shout out of the week. And this week I have two. 267 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,440 First one is Hellas and her dog Mila. 268 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,080 She's a veterinarian. I went and picked her up and she 269 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,440 brought the dog in with her and I am usually afraid of big dogs. 270 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,520 She had a big German Shepherd who's still a puppy, but he was 271 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:07,520 huge and I. Was driving and it took me kind 272 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,080 of far, but I didn't even know the dog was there. 273 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,280 Such a good dog. But she is a veterinarian right 274 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,880 on the outskirts of San Antonio, off at 35 going towards New 275 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,720 Braunfels. So if you have pets in San 276 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:27,360 Antonio or in San Marcos or New Braunfels, call Hellas She'll 277 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:29,440 she'll take care of you. OK. 278 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:35,000 The other one is Amanda. So this poor girl, very 279 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,880 beautiful girl, she was at the gas station. 280 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,480 I, I went to go put gas in my car and I actually stopped to 281 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,880 talk to her because she had a sticker of her business which 282 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:53,640 was doing nails. And so I decided to see if she 283 00:20:53,640 --> 00:21:00,200 could tell me where to get the sticker for my podcast. 284 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,600 That way I could put it on the car. 285 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,720 Luckily she didn't freak out and I started talking to her about 286 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:13,640 the podcast and it was, you know, I, I, I owe her a shout 287 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,440 out because to be honest with you, I mean, I probably scared 288 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,880 the hell out of her and it wasn't really a good meet. 289 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:29,120 So this is Amanda's shout out and I told her that I would give 290 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:33,200 her business a little shout out too. 291 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:40,800 So if you're in the San Antonio area, look her up on Instagram 292 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:51,120 under sets, SETS by BY Nana, Nana under score sets by Nana, 293 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,920 and she does nails and things like that. 294 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,960 So if you guys are in the area and you want to look her up, get 295 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,240 your nails done, ladies, maybe even guys. 296 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:07,520 She told me guys do it too. So here's your shout out and all 297 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,800 right, let's get back to the show and welcome back to the 298 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,280 demon inside. Behind that door is pure evil. 299 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,680 End Quote. That's what the officer said. 300 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,800 So they ended up taking out their guns and they went in and 301 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,440 cleared the house and then they went into the bathroom last. 302 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:26,480 And when they entered the bathroom, they saw the kids that 303 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:31,840 were deceased and they were sitting in the tub facing 304 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:37,640 forward with their eyes open. Yoselyn was on the ground and 305 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,440 she was breathing very lightly, but she was observing them as 306 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,480 they were trying to take the kids out. 307 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,320 The wounds in the neck were so deep that the officers were 308 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:53,400 scared to pick up the kids because they actually could have 309 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,520 fallen off. That's how deep these cuts were. 310 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:04,800 Jocelyn silently laid there and watched the movement of all the 311 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:11,000 police officers, and they end up taking her to the hospital. 312 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:15,560 She actually recovers. She doesn't remember anything 313 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,440 that happened. Basically, they have to tell her 314 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,320 what happened because she needs a defense now. 315 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:30,120 Her whole defense from the lawyers was an insanity plea, of 316 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:35,600 course, but they also said that she was upset because she did 317 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,400 wasn't making enough money and she needed money and the people 318 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,760 were going to fire her soon and this was like a type of revenge. 319 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:51,680 Now my question is this, yes, it could have been revenge. 320 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,160 She could have killed the kids because to get revenge on the 321 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:02,440 mom, but she loved those kids. She loved those kids. 322 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:09,760 She wouldn't go her whole life, get this job, wait two years and 323 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,040 then kill these kids because it wouldn't make sense. 324 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,640 She would have killed if it was for revenge. 325 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,600 She would have killed the husband and the wife. 326 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,200 She wouldn't have killed the kids. 327 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,840 And if she was going to kill the kids for revenge, she would have 328 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,480 killed all three. I mean, not just two. 329 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:36,400 She would have killed all three. I believe she was possessed by 330 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,480 this time. And this demon took these kids, 331 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:47,640 these little lights of hope, these children who are pure, 332 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:55,080 took them upstairs, into that room, into that bathroom, killed 333 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,080 them, waited for the mom to come. 334 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,120 He saw her. She saw him, she saw the demon. 335 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:08,080 And then this demon stabbed Yoselyn in the throat. 336 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,320 He was trying to kill her as well. 337 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:18,280 How many times have we heard about a parent killing their 338 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,320 kids and then trying to take their own life? 339 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,760 I did an episode on the first season. 340 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,320 There was a few of them. Claudia Nadia Rodriguez was one. 341 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:36,960 Audie Sanchez was another. There's a lot of them that they 342 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,720 stabbed their kids and they tried to kill themselves right 343 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:48,760 after. So now what I'm going to do is 344 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:58,040 tell you why I believe that Yoselyn Ortega was possessed 345 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,200 fully. So let me tell you this, it's 346 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:09,120 there's 4° to demonic possession and I'm going to go step by 347 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:12,400 step. Now remember, possessions don't 348 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,240 happen overnight, they happen over a period of time. 349 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:22,280 It's like a process and they have to be invited first, 350 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,360 whether it's in the home or whether it's in them. 351 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,720 They can't just go into your house. 352 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,840 You have to invite them in. That's why I believe when her 353 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,640 sister passed away, she was either doing a Ouija board or 354 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:45,040 she was doing a seance or just wishing that her sister could 355 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,680 talk to her. And this demon, unfortunately, 356 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:59,560 was there. So these four, these 4° to 357 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,400 demonic possession is actually, it's in a book called An 358 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,680 Exorcist Tells His Story, which was in 1990. 359 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,800 And it's by Father Gabriel Amirth. 360 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,360 He was the chief exorcist in Rome. 361 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,040 And here's the stages, OK, And we're going to go through this 362 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,040 infestation. This is haunted house type 363 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,760 stuff. Footsteps, voices, apparitions, 364 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,920 furniture or other objects moving without human agency, 365 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,080 orders with no discernible sources. 366 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,360 Rather than directly affecting people, infestations affect only 367 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,560 property, objects, or even animals. 368 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,440 So it's your basic haunting of a house. 369 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:51,800 Now she was saying that she was seeing stuff she did. 370 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,280 She didn't say that she that there was chairs moving or any 371 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,720 of that. But I mean, she pretty much 372 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,360 invited them in so they didn't do have to do an infestation. 373 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,560 So then the next one is oppression. 374 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,240 Now oppression is activity steps up with physical attacks, sleep 375 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,360 disturbances. Remember, she was having 376 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:19,800 insomnia, including regular nightmares, frequent and severe 377 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,400 illnesses, major depression which she had, or anxiety, 378 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:29,200 severe financial or employment problems which she was having, 379 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,480 and relationship troubles which she didn't even have a 380 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,400 relationship. And her relationship with her 381 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,640 son was very strained because she would leave him in the 382 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,520 Dominican Republic. While these things happen in the 383 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:49,520 normal course of life, all of them happening at once or in 384 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,400 rapid succession could be a sign of demonic presence. 385 00:28:54,720 --> 00:29:00,520 Now we have obsession. OK, As the name implies, at this 386 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,600 stage the afflicted person has a hard time functioning, being 387 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,520 constantly preoccupied with thoughts of the demonic activity 388 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,280 commandeering his or her life, and frequently with thoughts of 389 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,240 suicide as well. Sleep becomes nearly impossible 390 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,400 again. She had insomnia. 391 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:29,000 Now obsession could also be her going over and over and over 392 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:35,480 again that she is broke, she has no money, she can't support her 393 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,160 son. She can't, you know, and this is 394 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:45,040 obsessing over and over and over again about money and and trying 395 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,640 to take care of her son. Now the 4th is possession and 396 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,760 possession is very rare, guys, honestly. 397 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,960 And you're not going to see it like in the movies where they 398 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,000 spit green or you know, they're, they're floating in the air, 399 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,640 stuff like that. Possession is not demons 400 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,800 entering a person's body and taking over his or her soul. 401 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:11,160 A person's free will is never removed, only severely 402 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,880 compromised. In possession, a person is so 403 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,360 physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually broken 404 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:24,080 down by going through the other three stages that demonic 405 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:30,760 spirits are able to seize occasional control over the 406 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,920 person's that person's actions. Now this goes back to everything 407 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:42,040 that I've been talking to. For one moment this demon could 408 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,360 take over, and it's in that moment where this demon kills, 409 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,040 and then it goes back to the person. 410 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:55,760 So here are the telltale signs of possession, including and not 411 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,720 limited to superhuman strength. Speaking in a language the 412 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,800 victim doesn't know. Inordinate aversion to holy 413 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,800 objects, knowledge of events are facts the victim could not 414 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,240 possibly know. And according to the Diocese of 415 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:20,640 San Jose exorcist Gary Thomas, who wrote the book The Rite, he 416 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:26,120 says changes in facial features. So I ask you, is this the same 417 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,960 demon or is it a different demon? 418 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,200 These killings of children in twos? 419 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:40,360 I believe this is a demon that enjoys killing kids and then 420 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:46,720 killing the host that he is in and do the same thing over and 421 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,360 over again. Thanks for listening guys. 422 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,200 Don't forget to subscribe to the Demon Inside podcast on any 423 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,000 podcast platform. A new episode of The Demon 424 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,720 Inside will be released every week. 425 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,240 Let us know what you think of the episode on all our social 426 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,320 media. 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