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welcome back to the Demon 
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I'm your host, John Venom, and 
today we will be talking about 

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the Demon Inside Gene Meredith. 
Jean Meredith was a killer that 

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the police believe was a serial 
killer, but they only convicted 

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him of 1 murder when there could
have been two and there would 

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have been more according to 
Jean, because of the voices in 

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his head are actually the voices
outside of his head. 

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We're going to get into that. 
But before we do, let me give 

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you just a brief background on 
Jean because anything that I 

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tried to find was really hard to
find. 

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I found some paperwork from the 
courts about him trying to get 

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his case dismissed because due 
to mental issues, which I 

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believe Jean did have, he 
started off at the age of 18. 

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But let me let me get back to 
let me start this way. 

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Jean was born in Lansing, MI and
he lived with his mom and his 

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stepdad and while he was with 
his mom and his stepdad he used 

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to get abused. 
Now, according to this 

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documentary I saw, which was The
Killer Speaks season 2 episode 

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1, and I would suggest you guys 
watch this because I'm going to 

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be referring to this back and 
forth because like, you know, I 

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like to go directly to the 
source and Gene is actually 

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giving an interview on this 
show. 

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So if you get a chance, you need
to watch The Killer Speak Season

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2 episode 1. 
And there's a certain part that 

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I really want you to see, so 
we'll get into that as well. 

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But anyway, Gene says that when 
he was a child, he was mentally 

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abused by his stepdad. 
Later on he kind of contradicts 

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that by saying that he got he 
was getting slapped and bullied 

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like when he was a kid. 
Now I don't know if he's talking

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about the kids at school or if 
he was talking about his 

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stepdad, but I know his stepdad 
was one of the bullies. 

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Gene went to school, graduated 
at the age of 18. 

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He joined the Air Force when his
buddy or his roommate from the 

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Air Force started to slap and 
bully Gene around. 

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Now all of a sudden these voices
started coming out in his head, 

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which I do believe these voices 
were not just demonic presence 

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but also schizophrenia. 
Now what the doctor on the show 

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calls it, she calls it 
schizoaffective disorder. 

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And for me, to be honest with 
you guys, every time something 

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new comes out, every time that 
there's a different symptom or a

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couple of symptoms wrapped 
together in one, they start 

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calling it different things to 
put a name to it. 

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For instance, if you're angry, 
they call it anger. 

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If you're happy, they call it 
happiness. 

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If you sad, sadness, and so on 
and so on. 

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So with these mental issues, 
they start calling it different 

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names like schizophrenia or 
schizoaffective or bipolar or 

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depression, things like that. 
And I'm not trying to take away 

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from that, but I'm just saying 
that these are names that could 

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possibly be a demon or the 
demon's name, because a lot of 

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these demons like to take the 
names of murder, hatred, you 

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know, a porn, just like with Ted
Bundy. 

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And what these demons do is they
create this scenario that ends 

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up with the psychiatrist trying 
to define it. 

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And they usually define it in a 
new term. 

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So for Shannon and the people at
the Mayo Hospital, if this 

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doesn't sound right, I 
apologize. 

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I know you guys are fans, I love
you all, and I just thought I'd 

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throw out that shout out to you 
guys. 

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But for me, these psychological 
terms are not the cause, but 

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these are a way to reference 
what's happening to a person so 

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that other people know what 
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Why can't it be a demon that is 
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these symptoms or it's a demon 
that these psychological doctors

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actually named? 
Let's continue. 

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So Gene was after when he was in
the Air Force and, and this guy 

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was bullying him. 
The, the, the voices came out 

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and started telling them to make
this guy pay. 

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And so he grabbed an iron and he
was about to strike this guy and

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kill him, but he resisted. 
OK, so this is Gene, 18 years 

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old, resisting the voices that 
are shouting at him to get 

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revenge, to take, you know, to 
to not let them bully him 

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anymore. 
But he did resist and he started

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to travel the the country. 
And this was the kind of guy 

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that would go around, pick up a 
job and then quit and pick up a 

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job and get fired or pick up a 
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He wasn't one to stay in one 
place. 

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Now, the way Gene defines it is 
that he was trying to get away 

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from the voices in his head. 
My question is this, if he was 

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trying to get away from the 
voices, he said that the voices 

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would catch up to him. 
Does that mean at certain points

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in his life he lost the voices? 
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If you're mentally sick, if 
you're, if you, let's let's put 

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it this way, if you have a flu, 
you can't drive 100 miles down 

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the road and get rid of the flu 
and then it's going to come back

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to you. 
This mental issue was something 

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that he said was following them.
So for me, that could be a 

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demon. 
Now, it doesn't make it that 

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he's possessed, or at least not 
yet, but let's continue. 

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So later on in life, in his 40s,
Gene was 48 years old and he was

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living with a woman, an elderly 
woman. 

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And he hadn't, supposedly he 
hadn't killed anybody or 

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anything. 
But when he was living in Great 

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Falls, Mt, there was a woman 
that ended up dead at a 

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laundromat. 
Now she was choked to death. 

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Then about a month later or a 
week later, something along 

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those lines. 
They never said that Gene killed

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this woman, but there's a lot of
belief that it was him. 

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So later on, he is with a 
girlfriend named Debbie Bailey, 

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and him and Debbie were getting 
to the point where he wanted to 

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live with her. 
He decided that the voices 

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weren't talking to him too much.
He started taking pills and then

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he wanted to move in with 
Debbie. 

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Well him and Debbie would drink 
and to start drinking he would 

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stop taking his pills for his 
mental condition so that way he 

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could drink because you're not 
supposed to drink with your 

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medications. 
Now on this part I agree. 

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His mental stability needed to 
be controlled by these pills and

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by him stopping and starting and
stopping and starting so that he

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could have a drink or or drink a
lot. 

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It's not a good thing because it
gets out of your system, it gets

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into your system, it's back and 
forth and it's somebody that 

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takes pills for PTSD and anxiety
and depression missing once or 

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twice. 
It does affect you and might not

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affect you that day that you 
miss it, but it might affect you

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in a couple of days. 
So for those of you that do take

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medications for depression, 
bipolar, and all these other 

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mental issues, please don't stop
taking your medications. 

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You really need to take those. 
And I, and I'm sorry I'm even 

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throwing that out there, but I'm
just saying as a person that 

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takes medications, you really 
need to do that because if not, 

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it makes you feel so different. 
But Gene was saying that the 

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medications that he took weren't
making him feel like himself. 

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So he would stop and he would 
drink and he would be himself. 

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But that's when the voices 
started coming back. 

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Now how? 
And let me let me ask this. 

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How is it that the medication 
stop the voices? 

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But also so did traveling. 
I don't understand that, but 

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let's continue. 
So anyway, Jean decided he was 

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going to move in with Bailey and
she decided it was OK and they 

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were together and all of a 
sudden something happened. 

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The gene got very upset and he 
started choking Debbie and she 

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started telling them that she 
loved him and she loved him and 

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why was he doing this and she 
loved him. 

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And he stopped and he felt 
really bad about it. 

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And he said that the voices were
so loud in his head, but he 

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decided he wasn't going to kill 
her. 

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He told her to not tell anybody 
because he was embarrassed by 

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what these voices were telling 
them to do. 

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And he really did want to move 
in with her. 

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And he wanted to have a family 
with her. 

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I mean, she already had a son. 
She had a couple of sons. 

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And and, you know, he just 
wanted to be a part of a family.

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What ended up happening was she 
told her friends, told her 

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family and they told her to stay
away from them. 

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So Jane gets upset with his with
her family and with her sons and

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with the with the friends. 
And Jane decides that he's going

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to go kill her sons and he's 
going to go kill her two 

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friends. 
He's going to go stab the son 

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and he's going to go shoot the 
two friends that she told. 

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So he drives out to the son's 
House of Debbie, and he's 

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outside in a violent rage. 
And he says that all of a sudden

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he sees a woman sitting there. 
And this was Rose Torres. 

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She was 51 at the time. 
And I know I usually don't say 

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who these victims are because I 
don't want to give these 

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murderers that power. 
And I don't want to connect 

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their names to the person that 
killed them because they do not 

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deserve that. 
But this woman and I have to 

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tell you, she was an ex guard 
for a prison, which makes it a 

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little bit of a difference. 
Now she was sitting outside of 

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the house, just a little bit 
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and she was smoking a cigarette 
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He walked up to where they 
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She kind of calmed him down. 
He asked her if they wanted to 

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go to a bar and I'm going to let
him describe what happened next.

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Here I was, waving this knife, 
yelling and screaming for Ed to 

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come out, and then I noticed 
her. 

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She was sitting to the side 
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Somehow or another, Rose calmed 
me down. 

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I sat down next to her and 
started a conversation with her,

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but in my head the voice was 
saying she's going to say 

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something, she's a witness, you 
got to keep her as a witness. 

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No witnesses, no witnesses. 
I asked her would you like to 

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stop at the bar and have a 
couple of trains? 

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She said yes, and I was talking 
with the voices and they started

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telling me she was going to be 
the first one and then we're 

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going to get the rest of them. 
He resists the voices. 

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But then she started smoking all
my cigarettes like Debbie used 

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to do. 
Rose takes his last cigarette 

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and then the voices came back to
me and they started saying she 

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ain't no different than Debbie. 
Let's do her in. 

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As we were walking, the voices 
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They were continuing, getting 
louder and louder. 

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The voices the same pretty soon 
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Pretty soon we started walking 
down the alley. 

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Voices started telling me this 
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This is where we're going to do 
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Tell her to get undressed. 
She took her clothes off and 

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folded them and set them beside 
the dumpster and she laid down 

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and that's when I took out my 
knife. 

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I said, now this is for you. 
I stabbed her Here, here, here, 

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here. 
So now what we have is that she 

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took off her clothes and put 
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Now who would do this? 
Now think about this and This is

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why I brought up that she was a 
guard. 

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If she felt threatened, I think 
she would have fought. 

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I don't think she would have 
given in because I don't know of

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any guard ex or present that 
would just give in and fold 

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their clothes so that they could
get raped. 

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I don't think this was the 
thing. 

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What I think was because Rose 
was having a problem with 

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addiction, with drinking, and 
that's how she lost her job, 

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that's how she lost her family, 
that's how she was homeless 

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because of this drinking 
addiction. 

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I think that a demon took could 
possibly have taken over, could 

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possibly have manipulated her to
sacrifice herself to Jean and 

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that's why she took off her 
clothes and folded them neatly. 

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Now in this short amount of time
you have two murders in this 

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little town of Great Falls, Mt 
that things like this don't 

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happen. 
So of course the police are 

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trying to figure out what's 
going on. 

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One of the police investigators 
calls an informant and asks them

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if he had heard anything about 
this and from what they got as 

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far as a description of a 
vehicle. 

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Now, let me tell you this. 
When he killed this woman Rose, 

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he threw her body into the 
dumpster and there was blood and

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all this stuff. 
So Gene went home and he was 

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fine. 
He says that the voices in his 

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head stopped. 
And I'm going to play that for 

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you now. 
Each time I stabbed her, the 

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voices were turning down. 
They were getting dimmer and 

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dimmer, and when I cut her 
throat, the voices seemed to 

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disappear out completely. 
Just like she when she was 

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deceased. 
The voices were gone. 

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But later on the voices told him
to go back because he forgot the

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bag and it had his fingerprints 
on it. 

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But by the time he he came back,
like he said, there was two 

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people there that were witnesses
that saw him and they told him, 

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what are you doing? 
And he said, oh, you know, I'm 

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looking for my dog. 
And they said, no, this is a 

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crime scene. 
The police are coming and Jean 

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goes up to the dumpster and 
reaches in and they're like, 

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what are you doing? 
You're messing up the crime 

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scene. 
They go, the police should have 

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been here already. 
And so Jean gets kind of scared 

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and goes back into the van and 
leaves. 

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Now the van has these two white 
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So that it's very obvious. 
So this police detective, like I

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said, reached out to an 
informant who comes back a 

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couple of days later and says, 
hey, there is this guy who 

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drives around in a blue van with
white doors, and his name is 

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Gene Meredith. 
So these people go, the cops go 

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and they go to Gene's house 
where he's staying, or they 

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actually go to his work first. 
They go to his work, but he 

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doesn't work there anymore. 
And they're trying to play catch

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up. 
And one of the detectives sees 

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the van and says, I know whose 
van this is. 

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It's a picture of the van. 
He goes, I know whose van this 

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is. 
He goes, I've had deals with her

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before. 
And this was Debbie Bailey, 

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Gene's girlfriend. 
So they drive over there in a 

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hurry. 
By this time, Gene and Debbie 

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have already been fighting. 
And the voices in his head said,

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you need to kill her and you 
need to kill her now. 

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So Jean goes to the kitchen and 
grabs a knife and comes back. 

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Debbie sees it on his face and 
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She walks out of the trailer 
home and closes the door and 

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sees the police. 
They're there at the door. 

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And she says, please don't tell 
me somebody died last night. 

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And then at this time, Jean 
walks out, and he's just. 

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OK, and happy and smiling. 
And the police ask him, hey, can

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you come down with us to the 
Police Department? 

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And can you, you know, recount 
for where were you at last 

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night? 
So Jean goes in and he starts 

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doing the interrogate. 
They start doing the 

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interrogation with them. 
Well, then Jean doesn't become 

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Jean anymore. 
What happens is, and this is 

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this is kind of like one of our 
things that I'm showing or that 

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I'm trying to show you about the
demon inside when you get a 

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chance, like I said, you need to
look at the video. 

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You need to look at the the show
The killer speaks season 2 

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episode 1 when they start 
talking to Gene in the 

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interrogation room. 
Now, it's bits and pieces, but 

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there's a part where they say 
that he changes personalities 

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from Gene to anger. 
This is the name of the thing 

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that's inside of him. 
The police notice that Gene, 

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throughout this interrogation, 
he's turning to his right and 

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looking and talking to somebody 
as if somebody's talking to him 

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in his ear. 
If you look at the video at this

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moment, at that moment, you'll 
see half of the video turns kind

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of blackish and then disappears.
OK. 

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I don't know if it was a mistake
in editing. 

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I don't know if it was the 
camera. 

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I don't know anything. 
But I never saw that again. 

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That was the only time that 
glitch happened was when Jean 

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was turning from from Jean to 
anger. 

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You have to watch it, it's very 
important. 

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So now Jing goes on and talks 
about his anger, who is inside 

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of him, and I'm going to play 
that for you in their 

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interrogation. 
Oh, am I talking to? 

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Am I talking to Gene or him now?
It's full of rage. 

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It's full of anger. 
Easy, easy. 

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It's full of Rangers anger. 
All right. 

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OK. 
OK. 

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OK. 
Come on, come on. 

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OK. 
What does he tell you to do? 

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His affect would change that. 
You knew which person you were 

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talking to. 
He would look at you, his eyes 

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were piercing, his teeth would 
jut out, tone of his voice and 

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flexion would change. 
Gravelly voiced. 

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Just evil persona go. 
Ahead not. 

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You don't have no. 
Murder. 

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You had nothing. 
You had nothing. 

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You can't wrap. 
You know You can't wrap me. 

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You can't wrap Sandy Black. 
You don't have nothing. 

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You know I want Jean back. 
No. 

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I'll give you Jean back when I'm
ready. 

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This anger is like a second 
character inside of Jean that 

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comes out whenever Jean is 
feeling scared. 

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And this happens a lot of times 
with people with multiple 

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personality disorders. 
Except this one isn't in his 

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head. 
This one is speaking to him from

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outside. 
As Gene says, the psychologist 

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on the show characterizes it as 
a good personality and bad 

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personality on your shoulder. 
And that's what Gene says this 

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is. 
It's a good and bad personality.

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Couldn't this be the demon 
inside? 

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Gene says that for a long time 
he's had these demons and are 

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he's had these voices telling 
them to do things. 

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And here's my problem with the 
whole thing as well as far as 

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diagnosing them with something 
other than demonic possession or

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demonic infestation, is that he 
travels and he gets away from 

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it. 
He takes medications, he gets 

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away from it. 
He kills this woman and the 

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voices stop. 
As a matter of fact, he says 

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that they are gone completely. 
For me, Gene has a demonic 

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presence and every now and again
this demon will get inside of 

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him because Gene thinks that 
this is a different persona that

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is trying to help him and this 
persona is acting like he's 

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trying to help him, but he's 
not. 

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This is anger, right, Quote UN 
quote anger. 

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This is a demon of anger. 
But yet at the end of the show, 

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the lady the the producer asked 
him, do you still hear the 

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voices? 
And he says, yes, I hear the 

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voices. 
They're helping me answer these 

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questions. 
She says, do you still feel like

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killing? 
He says no, he has no reason to 

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be angry. 
Is that because they stopped 

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humiliating them? 
They stopped punishing him? 

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They stopped? 
Or is this because the demons 

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just decided shit, there's 
nothing we can do anymore? 

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It was fun using them, but I'm 
going to move on because 

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remember, yes, I do believe that
he could hear voices in his head

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or around his head, and he's a 
mentally disabled person with 

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schizophrenia. 
Where you hear voices, where you

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see things. 
When this demon got inside of 

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him or got near him, it started 
focusing his attention and 

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growing in a certain pattern, 
which was growing. 

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Seeing or hearing good and evil.
If you're a kid and you have 

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schizophrenia, you're going to 
see what you want or what you 

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know of or what you hear about. 
So if you see as a kid, let's 

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say you see Ronald McDonald in 
your head, you're going to see 

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Ronald McDonald. 
You're going to hear Ronald 

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McDonald as well as whoever else
it is now with him at 18, he 

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heard these voices saying, hey, 
get him, we're doing this for 

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revenge. 
This guy disrespected you just 

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like. 
And he says Rose, the victim, 

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she took his last cigarette at 
the bar when they went to go 

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drink. 
That was why he killed her was 

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because she took his last 
cigarette and it showed 

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disrespect to him, just like his
girlfriend Debbie, who would 

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always take his cigarettes. 
So now I ask you this, OK, Is 

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this demon possession? 
Is it demon infestation or is it

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just him being sick and using 
this as a way to get out? 

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Me personally, I believe that 
this demon is there. 

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Maybe it would get inside of him
when Gene would let it, maybe it

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didn't. 
I don't know. 

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But what I'm saying is that our 
mind, when we become victims of 

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something, when we're young, our
minds become fractured as adults

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and as an adult, sometimes we 
cope with things the easiest way

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we can. 
We don't take our efforts to go 

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head on. 
We like other things to solve 

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our problems. 
Some of us sometimes use 

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different names for us to get 
away with things so that we 

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could say that wasn't me, that 
was so and so that was my other 

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personality. 
The thing is, they're all Gene. 

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And if this demon was talking to
him, remember, he could have 

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resisted. 
He resisted when he was 18. 

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Why couldn't he resist as a 
grown man of 48 years old to not

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kill somebody? 
He let these things get to him, 

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and now they're at peace. 
They should be more violent 

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because they're restricted and 
they're confined. 

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It doesn't make any sense to me 
that somebody that is 

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schizophrenic or schizoeffective
would have all of a sudden 

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decided to calm down and be OK 
when that anger, when that rage 

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still be in him. 
Why would it had calmed down? 

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And we're talking about prison, 
guys. 

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We're talking about guards that 
disrespect each other, 

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disrespect the prisoners. 
We're talking about prisoners 

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that disrespect each other. 
And he's not angry anymore about

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it. 
I think the demon decided I'm 

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done using you, I'll let you 
have your sickness, and I'm out 

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of here. 
Thanks for listening, guys. 

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I'll talk to you all next week. 
Have a good one. 

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