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Hello and welcome to another 
episode of The Winning Wish on 

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Five podcast with me, Nick 
Truman, your host. 

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If you're wondering where on 
earth am I and why does it sound

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so different this week? 
I'm currently on holiday, so I'm

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actually filming from our hotel 
room. 

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Everyone's giving me a little 
bit peace and quiet, but also 

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it's Tuesday tea break talks, 
and I don't have a cup of tea. 

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I know that is sacrilege given 
that I'm British and this is a 

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tea break podcast, but there's 
too much to talk about to be 

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making tea this week. 
It is Black Friday, there is so 

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much going on and I'm only going
to go through some of the 

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headlines today because it's a 
few things that we need to talk 

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about ahead of Black Friday. 
There is also quite an exciting 

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episode coming out potentially 
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It might be slightly late 
because of Black Friday and 

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because I'm away at the moment, 
but we'll get you an episode as 

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quickly as possible and that's 
going to be talking about the 

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things you need to do before 
Black Friday finishes. 

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Ahead of Black Friday finishing,
a lot of brands lose a huge 

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amount of marketing activity, 
opportunity and a whole range of

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other things because they just 
completely delete everything at 

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the end of Black Friday, which 
is not the thing to do with your

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marketing. 
But we're going to talk more 

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about that on Friday before that
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And I love this quote which my 
team's put together for me. 

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I have somebody making the notes
for this called Daisy. 

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It's a Daisy. 
Thank you so much for doing all 

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of this. 
The quote this week is analyse 

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last Black Friday's data. 
If you don't study your data, 

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you're guessing. 
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expensive strategy in any 
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So what that means is look at 
what sold well last year, what 

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customers were buying, some of 
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and a whole range of other 
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The one of the challenges we 
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we work with is when it comes to
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we're going to do this this year
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know and there's sort of no 
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So make sure you have a look at 
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want to look at where your 
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didn't come from, the areas that
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You might decide something 
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least use the data to decide 
what the different thing is 

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going to be. 
There's only one update on 

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Shopify this week. 
I imagine they're quite busy. 

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So Shopify only released one 
change, which is actually AU 

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turn as far as I'm concerned. 
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a Shopify partner and an agency,
we might get different support 

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to you guys. 
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easier to get on live chat now 
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just get on live chat anyway 2-3
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So again, it sounds like AU turn
to me in terms of what Shopify 

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actually changed their, they've 
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I think they've probably just 
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decided that actually we 
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chat in the 1st place. 
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We've got a couple of bits of 
partner news which are really, 

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really important. 
One is that in January, we're 

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going to be doing a webinar. 
I'm very sorry, but there is not

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a sign up page that I'm aware of
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There might be 1 created, but 
it's going to be Tax Cloud and 

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Saguno running that. 
We did one recently as well. 

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I think a few 100 people turned 
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We've had quite a views on it 
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the YouTube channel as well. 
So the webinar was quite 

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popular. 
So we're going to do another 

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one. 
And this is all about planning 

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into 2026. 
If you're watching this in the 

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UK and you're feeling anxious 
right now, I totally understand 

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why. 
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budget tomorrow, which I'm not 
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at all about. 
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that. 
I might do a specific UK episode

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just reviewing the budget and 
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and for retail businesses as 
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We'll see, see what's announced.
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big game about doing some very 
scary things and they did that 

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last year and then didn't go 
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So we'll see what they do. 
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in January and that's going to 
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It's not specifically about the 
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We're going to be talking about 
how to get ready for 2026, some 

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of the things you need to do as 
you're entering the new year and

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a whole range of other bits and 
pieces that are going to come 

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up. 
But Tax Cloud and Saguna are 

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both signed up for that. 
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course, we'll add those guys in.
We'll get a registration page 

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set up as fast as possible as 
well as you're going to sign up 

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to that webinar. 
We are also going to be 

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announcing on the 1st of January
something very, very big and 

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very, very exciting. 
And I'm totally guilty of giving

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too much away too quickly. 
And I got told off for what I 

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said last week on the show. 
So I'm not going to say anything

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apart from there's going to be a
big announcement. 

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Go to wwspodcast.com. 
Go and to our newsletter. 

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We will have a new website 
coming out very shortly as well.

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I am just writing the contents 
to to make sure the site can go 

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live properly. 
But going some to a newsletter, 

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you'll be the first to hear 
about that in January. 

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OK, there's two big updates 
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One of them is about AI, which 
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I've been talking a lot about AI
recently and I also got an 

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e-mail and I thought it's worth 
covering this off just before I 

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start talking about the update 
this week to SEO. 

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It's not an update this week, 
but something we're ready to 

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announce. 
We didn't talk about AI very 

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early on, and there was a very 
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And someone emailed me saying 
why were you not talking about 

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AI when everybody else was? 
The reason being is it hadn't 

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matured yet. 
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changing so quickly, I didn't 
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everything I'd said every week 
and start changing all of the 

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things that we had released the 
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a month before, and then 
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So I try to only release updates
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Evergreen, are going to stay 
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If there's a good opportunity to
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think it's about to change or it
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not to talk about it too 
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And you've got to remember 
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So actually if you get your 
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AI a lot, you're probably one of
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right now that's doing that 
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Lots of brands that are actually
featuring in AI haven't tried to

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in any sense of the imagination.
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code in or tried indexing now, 
or used Bing Webmaster Tools and

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some of the stuff that's 
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Console at the moment. 
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business is doing well on AI, 
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and none of that's new. 
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on AI right now, write good 
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of the previous episodes. 
This one's quite big though, and

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this talks specifically about 
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I say oh I don't. 
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I don't know if it applies to 
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GBT is using Trustpilot as a 
trust signal and so we got a 

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quote here. 
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from, but this is the official, 
the official documentation on it

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is reputational searches. 
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Trustpilot alongside Google 
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For example, if somebody says 
who are the best online mattress

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companies in the USA right now? 
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best and the way to know who the
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these guys are the best. 
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part of that. 
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Trustpilot from what we can see,
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directly, but this is being 
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couple of weeks. 
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There are three things, not two.
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That's one thing that's on 
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So you you have to really use a 
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platform. 
Lots of sites we see and we talk

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about it a lot on the show is 
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with five Gold Star symbols or 
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So it looks like loads and loads
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verified. 
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and other people are concerned, 
they're going to recommend your 

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site and drive traffic to your 
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You've just written some stuff. 
It's just black and white text 

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as far as they're concerned. 
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platform means that the 
trustpilot.com domain is linking

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back to your site, which is a 
massive link, which means you 

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get that backlinking equity for 
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It also means that those 
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BeenVerified by an independent 
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means if they're all green and 
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of green five star reviews. 
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Then the next one's about tofu 
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vegan diet here. 
We are talking about tofu, which

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is top of funnel. 
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now available in Google search 
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If you're like, Nick, what on 
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and funnels and things for and 
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Top of funnel is somebody that's
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Should I buy a new car? 
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through there, that's that's the
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Should I buy a new car or not? 
What cars are out there at the 

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moment? 
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should I buy? 
Which one might be right for me?

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of funnel, we get to bottom of 
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buy my car. 
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purchase that car? 
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works. 
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queries. 
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in Google Search Console. 
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through Google search, not 
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There is Google Search Console. 
You can tell I'm on holiday. 

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You can use Google Lucas Studio 
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So you can only see so many in 
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So if you put it into Lucas 
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Console into Google Lucas, you 
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Both platforms are free by the 
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be doing this apart from time 
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But you should definitely go and
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those top of funnel queries, 
those TOFU queries, and see and 

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see what people are searching 
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actually being featured and 
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The second part to all of that, 
of course, is make your brand as

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sticky as possible, we call it. 
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someone's been on the site once 
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You want to make sure that they 
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Your brand being sticky is 
someone going, this brand I saw 

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the other day is lovely. 
I'm going to go back to their 

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site. 
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try and get them signed up to an
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So they come back to an e-mail, 
get them to create a wish list, 

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get them to get in touch with 
your business, get them to add 

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something to cart and put their 
e-mail in so you can start doing

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a banner basket. 
The danger with all of the top 

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of funnel marketing I find is 
loads of people find out about 

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your business and they don't 
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So making it sticky, how can I 
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so I can keep nudging that 
person till they buy with 

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different messages, different 
USPS, different offers, 

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different products until we find
the one that's right for them or

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making the brand so sticky and 
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memorable that they just want to
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Final one, a lot of you guys 
will be using performance Max on

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Google and one thing that's and 
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One thing that's changing on 
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finding is we've forever been 
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you're right, I need to make a 
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So you set the Target Railways 
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I need a 400% return on 
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back for that investment. 
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So actually the team has started
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little bit more management 
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CPA on paper, CPA being this is 
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per sale. 
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so you might set a target CPA of
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getting a load of orders that 
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I'm giving Google $100 and not 
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But the point is it's an 
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So then long term you should be 
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my average order value if I need
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me $100 per sale that I'm making
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total spend still needs to make 
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But actually that targets CPA if
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down enough, but not not too 
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I'm gonna get into that today. 
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that works. 
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campaigns enough, you can 
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that these products here I need 
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of $800. 
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an average order value of 
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So actually I'm going to bid on 
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$20 one, I can spend $5 per 
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me 200 or two, $2000. 
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four to one ROI. 
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so you get 1/4 of what my 
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So that's all changed a little 
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And then finally and again. 
I've already. 

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Had a cup of tea. 
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for this. 
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which is why I'm on holiday. 
It's been a long year. 

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We've got some true or false 
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gang have put together. 
I love this. 

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So thank you so much, Daisy. 
This is so much more fun than 

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just the normal Quivia as we do.
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what the heck is a Quivia, it is
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trivia. 
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I'm really proud of that. 
Anyway, so true or false, the 

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biggest sales spike happens on 
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So the biggest spike, the 
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true or false turns a person 
next to you shout out the window

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of the car or shout across the 
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Wherever you're listening to 
this right now, tell your dog if

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you're on a dog walk, true or 
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In many industries, Cyber Monday
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Friday actually now outperform 
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And it says many industries, So 
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industries it's doing that. 
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it? 
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such an emphasis on that. 
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on Black Friday, you might be 
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spend, keep the sale running, 
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I, I wonder if there's a slower 
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business, because that's the day
everybody goes really, really 

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hard and consumers are just 
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Whereas if you're the only one 
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like 5 or 16 or 20 days before, 
because you're the only one, you

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might see a bigger spike because
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announcing we're on sale, let's 
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Whereas on Black Friday, you've 
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noise of all the retailers that 
are just doing Black Friday, all

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right. 
True or false? 

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e-mail marketing generates more 
Black Friday revenue than social

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media ads. 
This is from a recent study. 

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The game we're looking at, 
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Black Friday revenue than social
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True or false? 
The answer is true e-mail is 

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consistently the highest 
converting channel during Black 

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Friday and Cyber Monday weekend.
Make sure your e-mail is on 

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point, Daisy. 
If it's technical term on point,

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it's not really. 
And then final one. 

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And then we can say a lovely 
goodbye and I go back to my 

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holiday and then make sure I try
and get my Black Friday episode 

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ready. 
True or false Mobile traffic 

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dominates Black Friday shopping.
True or false? 

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That's an easy one, but it's an 
interesting point to raise 

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today, isn't it? 
It is of course, true. 

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A large majority of Black Friday
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Why? 
Because everyone uses mobile 

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phones. 
I'm currently reading my notes 

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on a mobile phone and while I've
been sitting, I've had two 

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notifications from Amazon and 
one from another app as well. 

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I'm on holiday, so I'm going to 
set my notifications off. 

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Thank you so much for tuning in 
everybody. 

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It's been great to have you all 
listening in and I hope you can 

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join us on Friday if we can get 
the episode out on time. 

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So I'm just waiting for a couple
of bits and pieces to be sent to

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me. 
But thanks so much for tuning in

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back again on Friday. 
If you haven't already, hit 

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subscribe if it's the first time
tuning into the channel. 

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There is so much content, I 
don't always sound this bad. 

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I'm using my Apple air pods 
today as well. 

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So not air pods, whatever these 
ones are called, the wired ones 

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from Apple, I'm using these so 
the audio quality is not as good

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as possible nor is the video. 
But we'll be back again next 

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week for another Tuesday talks 
and I hope to post on Friday. 

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Thanks tuning in and goodbye 
from me. 

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Enjoy Black Friday.
