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Hello and welcome to another 
episode, the winning shop fight 

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podcast. 
If you haven't tuned in before, 

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my name's Nick and I'm a bit 
rusty because we pre recorded so

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much. 
Then we missed two weeks of 

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Tuesday tea break talks. 
So I am so sorry I've had more 

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emails because we missed a few 
weeks and people were like, 

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where'd you get your news from 
Nick? 

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It's like I'm not giving you my 
sources or I've got no content, 

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but we're back. 
We're back, we're back. 

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We're going to be talking about 
just this week's news on 

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Shopify. 
What else we've got. 

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I'm going to tell you what T I'm
drinking very exciting. 

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It's not the whole tea break 
Talks is not just the cool bit 

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of alliteration, although it's 
cool iteration. 

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There's a lot more to it than 
that. 

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So I'm trying to Scroll down my 
phone. 

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I've got my iPad today because 
I'm a numpty and I wish I bought

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it. 
It'll be a lot easier. 

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We'll talk about, yeah, some 
shop fire news about some 

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partner news, a few things going
on there, some learnings from my

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agency. 
And then quote of the week, we 

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got some cool stats about 
Shopify. 

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You benchmark your store against
some of these stats. 

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But anyway, a quick break from 
the chaos of the week. 

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We did a yoga breath last time I
did this and no, I didn't didn't

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get cancelled for doing yoga 
breaths and BA take a deep 

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breath if you want. 
While I'm introducing today's 

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tea. 
It is in fact, Daisy is doing my

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notes. 
Thank you so much, Daisy. 

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Daisy's doing my notes for me 
now and she's put on here. 

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We're having lemongrass and 
ginger, which is what I've got 

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in this cup. 
In fact, it's got one of our 

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clients, Haven Knox Johnston, 
one of our clients on it. 

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They're a boat insurance company
in the UK and Europe. 

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OK, shameless plug, we love our 
clients. 

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This apparently lemongrass and 
ginger aids. 

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It's aiding digestion, reducing 
inflammatory, gosh, please don't

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get to that and also promoting 
relaxation, which is all very 

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exciting. 
So what's been going on then 

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let's talk about Shopify news 
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There's loads. 
We've just kept it to this 

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week's updates. 
There have been a few bits that 

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haven't covered. 
So I'm very, very sorry. 

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If you really, really do want 
them, send us an e-mail. 

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We do have them written down in 
our notes here for the weeks I 

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didn't do because the team's 
still got the notes together. 

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So apologies team. 
I've been a bit busy and you can

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always tell the bags and my eyes
haven't slept much. 

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So October 16th, So there's been
a few updates here on the Shop 

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channel. 
You can now have shoppable 

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videos and posts migration, 
which is quite cool. 

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Shoppable videos and posts have 
been removed from Shop product 

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pages and Shop stores as part of
platform migration. 

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That videos remain discoverable 
in the shop's home feed. 

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I've always wondered why Shopify
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actually listen to this. 
If you take this idea, you heard

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it here 1st and I want some. 
I don't want any money, I want 

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creditation for this. 
It's the next idea. 

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Shop should literally be Google 
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Shopify stores and you should 
launch the ability to search for

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stuff in the Shop app. 
If you're listening to this, you

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never used the Shop app, It's 
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But once you've bought from a 
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retailer in the the Shop app. 
So there's loads of stuff that 

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we're calling it Shop Channel 
here, but the Shop app which you

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can go and use, which is 
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Anyway, another update. 
So we've increased the product 

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variant limit, which is good. 
Some of our clients have so many

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variants. 
You can now create 2048. 

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Why 48, I've no idea, but 2048 
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It used to be quick trivia 
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If you're listening to this with
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I think it used to be this much.
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So you'd have 100 variants of a 
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There's a few of our clients I 
know are going to absolutely go 

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to town on this. 
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of the product, you can also 
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H1 and stuff change. 
So Google sees 2048 variants of 

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a single product, it has 2048 
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colour and stuff. 
There's always these debates in 

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the SEO world. 
We have a client about when do 

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we use a filtered version of a 
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when do we have individual 
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And if you're on a collection, 
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colours individually as 
different products of that item,

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or do we put them under one with
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Try both and see what the 
conversion rate does is often 

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the the output and that's what 
you need an AB testing piece of 

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software for an improvement on 
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So the refund screen for returns
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dedicated refund system in point
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off. 
This is cool because you can do 

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some Shopify. 
This is a new dedicated refund 

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screen for the point of sales 
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location in the in the 
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If you give a refund, you don't 
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Now you could say put the refund
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which has always been available 
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store credit or split the 
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So you could say do you want, if
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you want $50.00 in a gift card, 
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means you don't then lose the 
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which is which is good. 
You want to lose that sale. 

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Quick sip of lemongrass tea. 
It is delicious. 

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I boiled the kettle to 70°. 
We got one of these fancy 

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kettles. 
You can choose 7080 ninety 100° 

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and they've got a little label 
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Tells you how hot to boil it, 
but 70° is perfect for herbal 

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tea if you want an English 
breakfast tea, which I do drink 

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on the show quite a lot. 
Got to go up to 100 for that bad

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boy. 
Wait for it to cool down a bit 

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and then add your milk. 
I'm not that obsessed. 

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That's just what I read on 
ChatGPT, right? 

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Partner news. 
So there is there is space for 

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another partner at the moment. 
So if you're looking at the show

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and going, we could definitely 
tell more people about our 

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amazing app or agency or 
software or consultancy or 

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whatever you might provide. 
Feel free to reach out to us. 

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The other bit of partner news 
we've got at the moment from our

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sponsor Saguna is we did a 
webinar a while ago. 

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I honestly, this is how long my 
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I can't remember. 
It was last week, the week 

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before. 
If I'm just going to check my 

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diary while we're recording 
because dates are important 

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people. 
It was not last week. 

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It was no. 
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No, it's definitely not three 
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That's crazy talk. 
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So it was 2 weeks ago on the 8th
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It's on our YouTube channel. 
We also released it as a podcast

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episode if you want to go and 
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We had a webinar where robbed my
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the other side of that door 
right now on the phone to a 

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client in our one of our meeting
rooms, which I have to tiptoe 

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through to get into the podcast 
room because I'm actually in a 

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cupboard, converted a cupboard. 
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podcast room in the near future.
So stay tuned for that. 

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If that's news to you, Byron, 
It's in my notes for our next 

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catch up. 
So we'll talk about it then. 

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And but Rob and the team at 
Saguno were both on the webinar 

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I was hosting and they were 
talking a lot about how to get 

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ready for Black Friday. 
Rob from a website, SEOPPCCRO 

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perspective and Saguno from an 
e-mail and discounting 

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perspective. 
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these episodes or any of the 
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from Saguno recently, Saguno did
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volume of brands about discounts
and one of the big things that's

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come out of it, you can hear 
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You can also hear from, I think 
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show from Saguna as well, 
talking about unique discount 

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codes are phenomenally good and 
actually using generic discount 

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codes outweigh not using 
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situations. 
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that and there's a lot of money 
you can make getting discounting

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right? 
So there's a webinar. 

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So definitely go and check that 
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It's one of the biggest things 
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few weeks. 
Again, I've been really 

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preoccupied. 
It's been very, very busy in the

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agency and in my personal life, 
which has been very, very good 

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and I'm not complaining at all, 
but it's why I haven't been on 

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the ball with Tuesday talks at 
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Agency learnings then. 
So this time in the agency, 

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we've got 3 from BBC, One from 
SEO Daisy who's got the notes 

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together this week for me. 
And I think Daisy can do it 

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every week, she's brilliant. 
She also recommended What tea to

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drink today. 
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from PBC because she's in the 
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So one of them was there. 
We're reviewing product titles. 

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I talk about product titles and 
Google Shopping quite a lot on 

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the show already for a coffee 
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We've added the roast type into 
the feed title and the click 

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through rate has gone up 85%, so
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So if it was 2%, it's contest my
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It's now 370%. 
I think that's right. 

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That's not bad for Monday. 
I record this on Monday and they

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called Tuesday tea break talks 
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edit. 
We've been using Target 

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impression share for lots and 
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we can lower your click cost 
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We're now starting to move away 
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Although it's great, it did 
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and clicks quite significantly 
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So we're now using a combination
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get a higher ROI on those brand 
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But most importantly, you want 
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cheaply as possible while still 
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One of the biggest things brands
get wrong on PPC is when the ads

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come up, they just send into 
homepage and just go, we're this

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say original Penguin. 
I'm wearing the shirt right now.

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Love these shirts, so soft, 
don't need to plug how soft it 

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was, you can't see that. 
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a new shirt, I don't know if 
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the UK, Original Penguin, such a
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It makes even me look slightly 
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But anyway we're trying to have 
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and as you can tell I've had too
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I'm quite hyper. 
But so with PPC we find so often

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when the ad comes up, so 
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comes up and you've actually 
searched original Penguin blue 

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size medium shirt and what 
doesn't come up is one of their 

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shirts in size medium and dark 
blue and you click on it and it 

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lands on that page. 
You just get the generic brand 

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ads which lands you on the home 
page and then you've got to go 

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through that whole journey 
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So you'd lose people with that 
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An original Penguin, you can buy
it from lots and lots of 

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different shops. 
They are as much a retailer as 

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they are a wholesaler. 
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direct is worth paying a bit 
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You wouldn't even pay more, but 
just doing a bit more work in 

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the back end to to make sure 
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People look up specific 
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Third one on PPC then. 
So broad match keywords are 

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performing better than phrase 
and exact. 

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How crazy is that? 
So this is specifically on an an

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not on an e-commerce clients. 
It's not a Shopify store 

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unfortunately, but we are 
testing it on a Shopify store at

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the moment as well. 
And we're going to see what this

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does. 
And it's quite a high budget 

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one, which is good. 
So we've been given quite a big 

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bucket of cash to spend on this 
to get some good data from our 

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clients because they're, they're
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conversions are up 25% on the 
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So that's fantastic SEO. 
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ChatGPT, sorry, it says it's 
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they reflect on the lights when 
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actually read things very well. 
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I thought maybe we should just 
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to run one of these, let me 
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but podcasting's not her bag. 
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instead of me. 
To me, they'll let me know. 

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I did put some of these bits in 
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week. 
We're going to call it Quivia. 

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Quivia trivia. 
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trivia, which equals Quivia. 
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So what is the average? 
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We're going to go threes and 
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I'm going to have three sips of 
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The average customer retention 
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little range here, so of 10, 
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Quickly say someone near you or 
think out loud or shout the 

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number in the middle of the gym 
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clients with a naughty point, 
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conversion rate. 
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them so much money when they get
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They only need 2 a year. 
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we've got a client who only has 
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second client, which we've been 
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to doing that now, then they've 
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organization. 
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Shopify is 1.4 percent, 1.4%. 
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but that's fine I guess. 
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That's quite impressive 
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The global average order value 
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The average amount everybody 
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Is it mean, median, something? 
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good at maths. 
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remembering all the words. 
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value is 144 dollars, 144, which
again is very healthy across all

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That is quite healthy. 
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she remind everybody, Nick, the 
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up in a few weeks. 
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earlier based on the day of 
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up at the end sort of thing. 
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on Friday. 
We have a phenomenally epic 

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One of the biggest episodes I've
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about 800,000 views and all of 
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