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Today on the Winning with 
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This one is absolutely 
fascinating. 

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Total site revenue doubled. 
Total site revenue doubled. 

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Customer reviews are super 
important. 

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That one really was a diamond 
that we found by doing enough 

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mining. 
It's a little reference to 

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Minecraft and the results in 
this are absolutely 

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astronomical. 
Block your ears or cry as I 

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share the next few stats on 
this. 

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Do you ever find that in your 
warehouse you have dead stock? 

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You can't sell it, no one wants 
to buy it, and you can't get a 

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refund on it. 
Or alternatively, you're missing

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inventory in your warehouse that
you need. 

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You've got sales coming in and 
you're low on stock and you 

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haven't ordered more stock. 
In time. 

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All these things hit profit. 
And I've been there. 

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I've run my own Shopify store 
and had exactly that problem. 

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But we've partnered it up with 
Inventory Planner who have the 

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most incredible app to help you 
manage that and forecast exactly

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what products, what skews even 
down to what color of products 

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you need to order in advance to 
make sure stock levels remain 

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consistent throughout. 
They're also running a seven day

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boot camp and if you want to go 
and sign up to that, it's 7 

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emails over 7 days and it takes 
the same amount of time as your 

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morning coffee. 
And in seven days, like me, you 

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can become an inventory 
management pro. 

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Both links are in the 
description. 

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Enjoy. 
Just before we dive into the 

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things I want to talk about 
today, there's a couple of 

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things I just want to signpost 
really quickly. 

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One is the growth hub. 
It's our free Shopify community.

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If you haven't already signed 
up, go and sign up now. 

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There's so much chat going on 
and people sharing ideas, asking

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questions, sharing some of the 
challenges they're going through

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and we've got a few events and 
things coming up as well. 

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It's completely free for you to 
join in. 

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And the second thing as well is 
if you guys want to sponsor the 

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show, you can do that. 
Go onto our website, there's a 

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button that says sponsor, fill 
out one of the forms and either 

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Byron, myself or somebody else 
on our team will come back to 

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you and have a quick chat about 
what that involves and how you 

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can get involved if you haven't 
already as well, hit up our 

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newsletter. 
We are sending out amazing 

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offers. 
We've been emailing at least 

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once, sometimes twice a week and
with updates going on in Shopify

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and bits and pieces that are 
coming from some of our partners

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and sponsors as well. 
There's some really good offers 

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and discounts in those. 
There's events coming up and 

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there's a few little plugs as 
well as the episode coming out 

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every Friday. 
So today I've got a big long 

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list of notes over here on my 
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So if you're watching on YouTube
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looking at my notes because 
there's quite a lot I want to 

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talk through and again, I don't 
have a guest this week, but what

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we do have is quite a long list 
of things five and a bonus one 

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also known as six, but 5 looked 
better in the title so recording

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it 5 and a bonus 15 things that 
you guys can can do on your 

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websites on your Shopify stores 
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using to boost conversion rate 
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Obviously, in the e-commerce 
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is somebody buying a product 
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So 5 things and a bonus, 16 
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some of our clients. 
I'm going to share some of this 

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actual stats that we've got on 
some of these as well, and also 

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some of the uplift we've seen 
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done and how we've done them. 
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number one, just to say that if 
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things and try these and I 
highly recommend that you get an

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AB testing piece of software on 
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We are in discussions with with 
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sponsoring winning Shopify, who 
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software and it's actually the 
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And if you've heard me say spec 
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what is that? 
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behind me is my agency. 
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acquisition into site. 
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and people actually buying 
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revenue is everything that we're
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we're doing in PPC and SEO. 
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So that's the angle I'm coming 
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joining a competition or signing
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I'm only going to focus today at
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let's face it, if I could 
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double the revenue on your 
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absolutely would. 
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So as I say, try and test some 
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that is if something has a very 
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a smaller impact and is 
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which we do for brands from time
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Some of the things I'm going to 
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diamonds we found where we did 
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you might see all the revenue 
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we've launched a sale or it's 
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people spend money over the 
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some of these crazy hypothesis 
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if you AB test it. 
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irrelevant. 
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site or the page or the content 
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see how much the new one is over
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that we've changed. 
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upsetting, at least you now know
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because you don't want to be 
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a loss anyway. 
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massively to Google Shopping, 
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spend a lot of time and money 
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increased a lot of conversion 
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look at the page they land on, 
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welcoming pages on any store 
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product. 
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quite right. 
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opportunity to change that. 
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test, you could redesign your 
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page and have two versions of 
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go the old version that's just 
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big essay, long form content, 
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put people off because it's 
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learnt that customers are lazier
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based on previous tests. 
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information, a bit of content, 
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are buying a product for a 
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some questions. 
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description, you can add FAQs, 
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We've even done a test last year
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they had sort of five tabs. 
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description that was open and 
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specifications, dimensions, 
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tabs when we actually just put 
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Conversion rate on that one in 
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I think it was 35 or 40% more 
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didn't have to click about and 
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It was all just presented down 
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saw on marks of clarity, more 
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bottom of the page. 
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and it's broken down really, 
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Lots of images, bullet point 
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clever way just to keep the page
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user to get that information 
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When we've run PDP redesigned 
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redesign. 
You don't need to get a designer

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and get your crayons out and try
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changing the content about and 
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We've seen, we've seen the 20% 
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all of our clients. 
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thing to do. 
It's just time consuming to 

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actually write the content. 
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complicated. 
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really need a designer. 
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sorry, depends what theme, what 
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kind of thing. 
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Extend those PDPS and focus on 
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when they land on APDP, 
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Shopping #2. 
Feature actual customer reviews.

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You've probably heard a few 
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seen me involved in a few things
with Judge Me, Trustpilot, Yacht

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Ho, and a whole range of other 
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recently where people, the 
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getting enough value from the 
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We go and have a look at this 
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review the way people are using 
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I've just mentioned. 
It's a bit of a freebie and 

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we're happy to get for any of 
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If you want to reach out to us, 
it's hello at Winning with 

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shopify.com, drop us an e-mail 
and I'm very happy to look at 

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this on your site. 
A lot of people just have a 

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widget that says like rated 
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company. 
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doesn't say how many reviews 
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doesn't say what your exact 
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It's just five kind of stars 
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When actually, if you're 4.84 
point 9, by doing some tests, we

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found out that actually writing 
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displayed rather than just 5 
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Actually having the rating and 
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especially once you reach about 
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having that number of over 500, 
that actually helps to convert 

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customers much, much more. 
We've got a test running at the 

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moment where the conversion rate
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branching out and having a 
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reviews there are and, and the 
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And the second thing we've done 
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And if you guys are listening, 
David and Kate, you know who you

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are, you're absolutely legends 
and they're we're really excited

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to get to the end of this test 
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that we've one, well, sorry, one
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we've we're rated, rated five 
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on collection pages, there's 
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like Bob said this, Janet said 
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wow, these are real people that 
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It's got the date on them. 
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have bought in the last few days
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good stuff. 
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about 30% uplift on that. 
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to that where we've that that 
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customer reviews on there. 
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people buying a product or 
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flagship product to this brand 
has I should go and find that 

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more recent tests we're doing. 
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generating reviews and having 
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the review platforms website, 
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site, get it front and centre 
and just decide how important it

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about this product or why you 
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going green, commitment to 
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plastic. 
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on a bit later, which as I said 
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reviews, the extended copy and 
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price of product, depends on the
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quite a lot to remove your old 
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months for your sofa to be made,
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thousands of dollars to have 
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manufactured and purchased and 
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into your house. 
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more content when you're buying 
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simple, actually just making it 
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better as well. 
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That's not the 11 size fits all.
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What works for your business is 
the most important thing #3 Now 

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this one, this one is absolutely
fascinating. 

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There are a lot of apps that do 
this in Shopify and some of them

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we found to be absolutely awful 
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fantastic. 
So it's about AB testing product

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pricing. 
Our partners at Saguna have 

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released a brand new app for 
Shopify and it's called Shopify 

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Connect for Canva. 
You can essentially look at all 

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of your product images from 
Shopify directly in Canva and 

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export them straight back. 
This can save you a lot of time.

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If you want to find out a bit 
more about this or go and find 

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the app yourself, you can go to 
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Enjoy. 
Now some of you won't be able to

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do this because you sell 
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They dictate the RRP and you 
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that they've said and you can 
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permission. 
And those are some of the terms 

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of you stocking that brand and 
that's absolutely fine. 

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So you guys block your ears or 
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As I share the next few stats on
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We've had more than one client 
over the years that have doubled

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the price of their products 
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has dropped by, sorry, the 
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number of conversions has 
dropped by less than 50% or the 

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revenue has dropped by less than
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The argument there is if you 
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and now you're charging 20, but 
you lose less than half your 

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sales or half your revenue, 
you're making more profit now 

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because you've doubled the price
of the item and you've lost less

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than half your sales. 
And Rory Sutherland, some of you

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might know he's an absolutely 
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I've I've read his book 
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I listen to a lot of his podcast
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He talks quite a lot about this.
And I've got a little quote here

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from him about premium products 
have to have a painful price 

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point and say if you're trying 
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trying to tell people this 
product, it does so much, it's a

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valuable product. 
It, it achieves lots of things. 

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Maybe it's AI don't know a 
health vitamin or a health 

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capsule or something that claims
to like help with your muscles, 

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your hair, your skin, your 
sleep, your awakeness, your 

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focus, all this stuff. 
Well, his argument and, and I 

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completely agree with this, 
hence what I'm talking about in 

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the show. 
And we've, we've seen this in 

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our own studies, you have to 
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relevant term. 

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You need to work out what is 
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charging enough that the price 
matches how incredibly effective

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this product is without it being
so much that now we can only 

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target the, the Super rich 
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planet. 
And so, and what we've done with

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some clients is you can set an 
AB testing app up on Shopify and

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you basically say to it, look, 
all the current prices I've got 

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are the minimum, don't go any 
lower than that. 

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tools to do that. 

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But I quite like starting with a
don't tell it to go any lower 

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than that, but let it increase 
the prices by up to 40% or up to

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100% higher or something and 
just let it run and it will come

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back and start reporting back 
product by product, order by 

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order, customer by customer. 
This is how much you should be 

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charging for these products. 
Not once have I ever seen anyone

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use one of these tools on their 
website and it's come back and 

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said you need to lower your 
prices or like there's no 

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change. 
It's just you just need to keep 

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all your prices exactly as they 
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It quite often comes back and 
goes, do you know what, when we 

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position these two products at 
this price and then this one at 

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A, at your current base price, 
the current base price one sells

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way more effectively and you 
make more money. 

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There's a whole psychology 
behind this. 

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There's some really good apps to
do this. 

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But as I say, we've had more 
than one client over the years 

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double their product prices and 
they've lost less than half 

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their sales, which now means 
they are so much more 

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profitable, which means we can 
start spending more on Google 

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Ads because we're making more 
profit per order that's coming 

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in. 
So it, it really is a win win 

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to, to, to, to do that #4 and 
this one's fascinating. 

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This is one of those ones that 
when I say what it is, you might

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go, what the heck has that got 
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And the results in this are 
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And I don't use that word often.
I try not to exaggerate too 

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much, especially when I'm 
hosting a podcast. 

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But this one, it's all around 
pre-order. 

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So a lot of sites have pre-order
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So you can order this product, 
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We're going to order it in or 
it's on the way and you can 

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pre-order this product. 
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pre-order, unless you've 
absolutely nailed your marketing

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and you're advertising yourself 
as a Kickstarter, Indiegogo 

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brand, something like that, 
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sense. 
Where we've seen brands using 

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pre-order and when we had three 
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looked at pre-order and we use 
Microsoft Clarity and Hot Jar to

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watch people use the website and
see what the, you know, see, see

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what they were doing when they 
see pre-order. 

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Two out of the three sites, as 
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they left the site all together.
They were just gone. 

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So what we did, two of those 
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in stock and then the third 
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did the next thing that all 
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basket or buy it now button or 
whatever, whatever your call to 

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action is above that they gave 
some sort of delivery estimates.

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So what we learnt, and this 
does, I mentioned Rory 

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Sutherland already, it does go 
back to something Rory 

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Sutherland talks about quite a 
lot, which is about expectation 

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and entertainment. 
So the unknown is scary to 

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people. 
So if you just say pre-order, 

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it's like, when's it going to 
arrive? 

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I've it basically is a tell me 
when it's back in stock, but 

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you're asking me to pay for it 
now. 

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People don't want to do that. 
So if you give an expectation, 

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it's going to take three to six 
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Suddenly people start ordering 
these products because they know

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it's going to be three to six 
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And if you've done your research
in marketing well, that three to

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six weeks is totally achievable.
It's actually going to be like 

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one to three, but we're going to
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estimate. 
So we're going to under promise 

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over deliver and customers, 
we're really happy. 

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We'll get better reviews. 
We can feature those reviews on 

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the site like I was talking 
about earlier, and our whole 

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business starts to grow nicely 
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So this one's been amazing and 
the worst result we had out of 

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those 3 was a 40% uplift on 
pre-order items. 

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So we we're now making 40% more 
revenue on pre-order and we were

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actually, I, I didn't get the 
stat for this, but we're making 

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more money on the non, the 
general, the non pre-order, the 

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general in stock stuff anyway, 
because people now weren't 

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leaving the site having seen one
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So we're still browsing the 
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stock and and bought stuff in 
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40% uplift on pre-order items 
and that particular brand as 

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well. 
And they had I think about 30 or

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40% of their product range was 
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So you get an idea as to how 
much revenue they made out of 

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this thing. 
And it wasn't obvious when we 

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first started any of these 
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The best result. 
This is insane, right? 

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We had a 1200% uplift on 
pre-order items. 

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Total site revenue doubled, 
total site revenue doubled and 

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we did that in September last 
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What I'm not saying it was an 
accident, like we did stuff to 

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make it happen, but we were not 
expecting that kind of result. 

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So if you have anything on your 
side that's pre-order or even if

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you've got stuff that's out of 
stock but you know it's coming 

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back, if you can put something 
on those products to say we know

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it's going to be back by this 
date. 

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So out of stock becomes 
pre-order, you know, and 

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delivery by this date, your 
revenue could be significantly 

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higher than it is at the moment.
So that one really was a diamond

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that we found by doing enough 
mining, which is a little 

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reference to Minecraft, which I 
don't have any time to play 

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anymore. 
It's a fantastic game. 

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Final one, this one we recommend
to everybody. 

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We don't always AB test this. 
This one I think is kind of 

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obvious and it's a Shopify 
specific thing and what it is, 

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it relates to shop pay. 
So lots of brands have shop Pay 

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on their website, so you can add
to basket. 

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So when you're on the product 
page, you can add to basket or 

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you can click Shop Pay. 
So buy with Shop pay now 

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depending on the settings you 
use on Shop Pay and Shopify have

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done quite a lot to try. 
And I was going to say fix this.

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It to me is broken when I 
explain why, but they've not 

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declared it as broken, which is 
fair enough. 

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And for anyone we get emails 
saying are we endorsed by shop 

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of fire affiliated with them? 
No, we're not. 

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We're completely independent, 
which one can make statements 

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like that. 
But shop pay on a lot of sites 

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when you say you had like four 
or five items to basket and then

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say you've added five and you 
land on your 6th item and you 

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click buy with shop pay, it 
takes you to a single item. 

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Check out all the stuff in your 
basket has been ignored because 

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you're now going through the 
shop pay system. 

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Now we've seen some of the 
issues caused this at the 

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settings in shop pay. 
Some of them must do with cookie

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banners where the cookie is not 
being carried across now from 

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your website into the shop pay 
system when they go to try and 

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make their purchase. 
What we actually recommend to 

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everybody to increase average 
order value and get people to 

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buy multiple products is just 
have the add to cart button. 

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Don't have a shop pay option to 
check out and shop pay just 

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don't run the risk with it. 
What we do instead is we have 

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the add to cart button and 
underneath list out Visa, 

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MasterCard, American Express, 
shop pay, Google Pay, Apple Pay,

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00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,160
PayPal, Amazon pay, whatever 
your payment options you offer 

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00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,800
on the website. 
Just list all those as icons. 

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Just to reassure people like we 
take all of these payments. 

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So whichever 1 you want to use, 
because some people might go, 

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oh, Amex, I can get cash back by
using Amex or some people might 

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go, oh, I've got I get a really 
good term cash back rate on my 

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00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,760
MasterCard. 
Actually, I get air miles or 

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something so I can use my 
MasterCard. 

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And so by listing those icons 
we've also seen ROI increase by 

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doing AB test on it doesn't take
tend to be massive. 

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Most people expect these days 
that any store, especially on 

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Shopify, you take basically all 
the payment options, all the 

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different payment providers or 
different types of card. 

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But and do have a look at this 
shop pay 1. 

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And what I recommend you do is 
go Incognito on a browser or 

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borrow somebody's phone for 5 
minutes, one of your team and 

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00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,240
say, can we go on the website on
your phone, Let's add 3 or 4 

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00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,160
items to cart. 
Now let's go on another product 

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and click buy with shop paid. 
If it takes you a single item 

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00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,920
check out, you are probably 
missing out on loads and loads 

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00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,000
of revenue from that as well, 
which is a massive shame. 

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And again, it's so simple to fix
and it's not obvious until 

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00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,160
someone like myself comes along 
to tell you. 

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So there we go. 
I hope you've enjoyed these five

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points. 
As mentioned earlier, we 

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00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,920
actually have 6. 
There's a bonus one at the end. 

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00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,640
You might have got an episode. 
I did with Chase Climber 

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00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,400
recently, who's another 
podcaster. 

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00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,600
He's an absolutely legend. 
We've become really good friends

508
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,120
recently and we've been on each 
other's shows. 

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00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:38,240
He and I agree on this. 
He mentioned at one of his 

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00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,120
shows, I went back and realised 
we were already testing this in 

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00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:42,280
my agency and I looked at some 
of the results and it's 

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fantastic. 
If you if you feel like people 

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00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,840
really want your products, but 
they're just struggling to do 

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00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,400
that conversion at the 11th 
hour, at the last minute, then 

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00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,480
one thing that you can do is 
next to the add to cart button 

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00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,400
or around the add to cart button
or something is just reaffirm 

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00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,160
what I would describe as the 
law. 

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00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,080
And I don't know, I don't know 
exactly what the laws are in the

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00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:04,240
US because I've never lived in 
the US and therefore ordered a 

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00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,560
lot of stuff. 
But certainly in the UK and I 

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00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,200
know in the EU and it probably 
is the same in the US, if you 

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00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,200
buy a product and you're not 
happy, you have what are called 

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00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,960
in the UK consumer rights. 
You can return that product, you

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00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,160
can send that product back. 
So what we do next to it is we 

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00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,960
just reaffirm the law. 
And what we put is something 

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00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,400
along the lines of free 30 day 
money back guarantee, something 

527
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,000
like that. 
And all we're doing is saying we

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00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,120
have to offer you a money back 
guarantee and it has to be free.

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00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,560
It might be that we offer free 
returns or something. 

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00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,200
But most importantly is you're 
reassuring people at the last 

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minute. 
Look, I know you're keen on this

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00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,280
product because you're looking 
at it, but you've not purchased 

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00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,680
it yet. 
Chuck it in the basket. 

534
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:37,960
If you're not happy, it'll be 
fine. 

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00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,960
But we know you're going to love
this product with the free 

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00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,200
returns, which kind of relates 
this as well, the money back 

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00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,240
guarantees. 
We've run tests before where 

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00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,320
we've convinced clients and it's
not easy. 

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00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,600
Sometimes bigger organization 
takes a just gets approved, but 

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00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,440
convince them to do free returns
and say, look, offer free 

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00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,320
returns. 
And what we tend to find is the 

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00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,000
return rate doesn't change, but 
the conversion rate goes up. 

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00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,920
People are now reassured because
you're showing confidence in 

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00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:02,240
your products. 
So if you're not confident in 

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00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,680
your product and you're not 
confident that your customers 

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00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,560
are going to want to return it 
or not, I suggest looking at the

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00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,640
products first, getting the 
products absolutely nailed, 

548
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,000
making sure the marketing the 
products is really clear as to 

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00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,840
what it is. 
And then you can start offering 

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00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,880
guarantees like this and making 
free returns a really big 

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00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,680
prominent thing on your website.
So I'm just going to relay your 

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00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,360
six pieces of well, five and a 
bonus piece of homework, but six

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00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:24,800
bits of homework for the next 
week. 

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00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,680
And number one, look at your 
PDPS welcome people into the 

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00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,840
site, add some more information 
and make sure you're covering 

556
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,640
all of their questions. 
So they can make a buying 

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00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,720
decision #2 is feature actual 
customer reviews. 

558
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,360
So when somebody reviews 
something, make the review is 

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00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:38,400
actually visible on lots of 
different pages, especially 

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00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,040
those product pages. 
Test your product pricing to see

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00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,280
if you can put your prices up 
and not lose any conversion 

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00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,720
whatsoever, but make a load more
money and bigger margins which 

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00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,440
you can spend more on. 
Advertising channels #4 is 

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00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,920
address pre-order. 
If you use that or out of stock,

565
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,200
have a think about could we make
it pre-order or back in stock 

566
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,520
soon or order now for delivery 
On this date. 

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00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,800
Imagine if a truck turned up and
you'd already sold 10% of the 

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00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,200
stock that was in that truck 
delivering products to your 

569
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,040
website. 
Fantastic #5 is check your shop 

570
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,040
pay settings to make sure you're
not doing a single item. 

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00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,240
Check out through shop pay and 
number six bonus point from 

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00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,000
Chase. 
And I'm reaffirmed by me, free 

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00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,760
money back guarantee next to the
add to cart button and maybe 

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00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,600
even look at free returns as 
well. 

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00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,680
I hope you find this useful 
guys. 

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Back again next week, we're 
posting every Friday, sign up on

577
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,480
newsletter if you don't want to 
miss an episode and make sure 

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00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,960
you guys check out some of this 
stuff. 

579
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,600
And if some of this stuff works 
as well, please do e-mail me 

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00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,440
over the next few months and 
say, look, I changed this on my 

581
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,000
website and revenue's gone up 
this much. 

582
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,920
I'd love to shout some of that 
out on the podcast. 

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I'd love to hear from you and 
see what is going on. 

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Hope today's been useful. 
See you all again next week.

