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What's going on? 
Port City family and friends? 

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My name is Isaac and I'm here 
with the one, the only pastor, 

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Tanner Hope. 
And today we're going to be 

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recapping our minor profits 
series together. 

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But before we jump into that, 
Tanner, how you doing? 

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Man, I'm doing great. 
Man, I'm excited to be here. 

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This is awesome. 
It's crazy. 

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This is almost over. 
It it has been a wild ride. 

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I feel like there's been like a 
lot of amazing just Nuggets and 

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things that I'm really pumped 
for us to jump into. 

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But I guess the first thing to 
kind of get the ball rolling 

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would be what was the what were 
some of the major themes of this

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series and how do we see those 
play out in the different 

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messages? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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I mean, we named the series Turn
back to me, my people. 

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And I remember processing like, 
what do we name the series? 

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Because there's so many books, 
there's so many threads you 

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could pull on, but I really do 
think and and landing on it with

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other pastors talking about with
John a lot turn back to me. 

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My people really gets at it. 
You know, the the primary 

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audience is the people of God, 
like the the word of God has 

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written all of humanity. 
It's for all of us to read, but 

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the primary audience is the 
covenant community. 

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And you know, we just get to see
God's heart of like, dude, I 

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want y'all like you're my 
people. 

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I bought you. 
Y'all been through the exodus, 

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y'all been through the promised 
land, You know, I brought you 

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here, I had a purpose, y'all 
blown it, but I want you back. 

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So I think at the heart of it 
all, what we saw was just God's 

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heart for his people over and 
over and over. 

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And that thread just looked 
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I used the illustration 1 sermon
of like a parent with different 

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strategies. 
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lot. 
Like a parent all in the same 

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day, let alone hour, let alone 
20 minutes. 

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We'll beg a kid, I mean, kind of
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bribe a kid. 
And now God is holy. 

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And it's not like petty, it's 
not any of that. 

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But I do think it's different 
strategies. 

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You know, it's it's it is 
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It is telling you what the end 
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It is pleading, it is promising.
It is, you know, at one point 

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he's speaking directly to some 
of those nations that were were 

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beaten down on Israel and he 
like talks to them directly, but

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he's sending that message to his
own people. 

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So it's like he's letting them 
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the bully. 
So it's like it's just constant 

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encouragement, rebuke. 
It's it's strengthening, it's 

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promising, it's envisioning a 
future if they listen. 

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So God is he's emptying the bag.
He's, he's pulling out all the 

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stops to, to, to say please 
listen to me. 

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Please turn back to me. 
That's so good. 

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And I guess now kind of more on 
a practical note, yeah. 

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How do we see the minor prophets
speaking through our 

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relationship with God as. 
Fathers, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, 

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yeah, yeah. 
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that we just have to understand 
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as a whole, which is that like, 
so we are in Christ. 

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Like if you think about the the 
storyline is that God chose the 

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people to be his son and to walk
in this identity and the people 

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of God failed at that. 
So Christ fulfills the Israel 

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role. 
Christ is the truer and greater 

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Israel. 
You know, we, we try to sing 

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songs like that because when we 
read the Old Testament, it's not

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just go do better than they did.
It's like Christ fulfilled it. 

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Now in him full of the spirit, 
we walk at our identity as salt 

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and light. 
You know, so Christ did it and 

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by the Spirit, he's still doing 
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So the church now has the bride 
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We get to be the city on the 
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We get to be the all the things 
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envisions all the ways that the 
Kingdom is going to come as we 

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live according to that Kingdom, 
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That is how we build the 
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You know, that's how we we live 
into our identity that Jesus 

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spoke over us. 
So it still applies in a lot of 

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ways because it's still God 
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is just were those people in 
Christ, You know what I mean? 

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And so, but a lot of those 
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warnings, a lot of the ways they
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clothes and repent. 
All of that is still fair game. 

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And that's why, I mean, from the
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Acts, what's Peter quote and 
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the day the Lord has come and 
it's still coming. 

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And so they're quoted all over 
the New Testament alluded to. 

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A lot of them have similarities 
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Ezekiel, they're getting quoted 
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So the New Testament writers saw
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Testament being re. 
The term is recapitulated, but 

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it's like because Christ 
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Now we're like walking in these 
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still applies. 
Yeah, that's really good. 

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And so I think something we saw 
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the minor prophets say a lot 
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about ethics. 
And so how can we apply those 

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truths that we've learned 
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we live with other Christians? 
Specifically, no, that's good, 

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man. 
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that's jumping out at me is just
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like our value system. 
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any kind of like external law 
keeping, but internal, like not 

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loving the law, you know, not 
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And yeah, we're not a 
geopolitical state the way 

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Israel was, but their preference
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the poor. 
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just the value system, you know,
and, and in a materialistic 

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culture like that, there's a lot
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1:00. 
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think it's just keeping in mind 
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I think it's keeping in mind 
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epistles, man. 
Like a book, like Romans. 

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It is a missionary letter. 
It is like focused on on the 

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gospel getting to Spain and all 
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But it's also like there's just 
Jew Gentile issues in all these 

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letters in Romans, in Galatians 
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You've got Philemon with 
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So like the gospel always starts
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really quickly. 
It's love, Lord your God, your 

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neighbor as yourself. 
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really basic stuff like welcome 
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welcomed you, you know, like the
meet idol controversy in First 

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Corinthians. 
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create a theology that's just me
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I'll do it with other people I 
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But as Ephesians would tell us, 
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the church like his brag party 
to the satanic powers, like he's

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up in heaven being like, look at
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So I think like we make the 
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our neighbor and when we love 
like our Christian brother who 

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was different than us in a 
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in Christ. 
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God because that's what he died 
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So I think it's big. 
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it's also very practical. 
And it's literally just love the

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neighbor who's right in front of
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And like a lot of times that 
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church, you know, because the 
neighbor can become so vague, 

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you know what I'm saying? 
So like I'm supposed to be this 

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to all Christians. 
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And you should, you should love 
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Or we watch the news and things 
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But like, change starts right in
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your life, in your church who's 
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Or maybe you just want to take a
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we make the gospel look good is 
just at a flesh level, right 

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where we are, right in front of 
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Move towards the people we want 
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Yeah, absolutely. 
So I guess now and you've 

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touched on that a little bit, 
this a little bit when you were 

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speaking there. 
But thinking more broadly, what 

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are some of the things the 
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we saw that might change the way
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the world? 
Just people who aren't 

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Christians, the society and 
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have a lot to say about culture 
and a lot to say about the 

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surrounding nations and 
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Yeah, I think it's funny because
I think you see, I think you see

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good approaches to culture and a
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There's good Tim Kelly used to 
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people who leave culture and 
like, oh, we need to save 

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culture by getting away from it,
showing you how broken it is. 

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Or there's the people who are 
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the way to like they they need 
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And then you've got the people 
that are like, we need to change

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it through law. 
We need to change it. 

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You know, there's so many 
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We need to be the people out 
just yelling repent at people 

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because there's truth to that. 
Or we need to door to door or we

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need to be friends for a long 
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and like, I think in some ways 
the prophets speak to all of 

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those things. 
You know what I mean? 

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It's not that any one of them 
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You know, like our culture is so
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Sometimes we just need to lead 
with truth, dog, you know what I

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mean? 
And just because you can put so 

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much pressure on you that you 
need to like present the gospel 

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the perfect way or they're going
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It's like it's about God and he 
wrote letters saying I'm a kill 

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y'all to people and they 
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Then ninevites repent minor 
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So I think like the minor 
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we have to do it perfectly. 
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what is it? 
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with sober mindedness about the 
end as God sees it that doesn't 

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dismiss like love of neighbors. 
So like, you never leverage the 

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fact that it's going to end or 
the fact that the culture is too

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far gone or whatever bad things 
you see out there through 

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whatever lens you interpret it, 
it never leads to, like, 

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flippancy and dismissiveness. 
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Like Jesus walked those streets 
hundreds of years later and you 

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didn't sense in Jesus alike like
he is the true, true and greater

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prophet. 
So like, he was a truth teller, 

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but he was not a jerk, you know 
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So true. 
He walked away from some people.

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He impressed some people. 
He purposely didn't want to 

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impress other people. 
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So the cop out was like, just 
study Jesus a lot, you know what

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I mean? 
And like he is the balance of 

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all of those things. 
You know, there's no question he

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was afraid to answer, but he 
wasn't doing a magic show. 

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He was a great friend. 
He was the friend of sinners. 

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And then he was also the one to 
like, tell people like, Nah, 

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like I'm not, I'm not doing that
for y'all or Nah, I'm not coming

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to that. 
Or he just show up at a party 

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and just sit there. 
He didn't have to be the life of

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the party, you know. 
So I just think all the 

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strategies have good impulses. 
But if you're not being like 

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Jesus or sounding like Jesus, 
you're probably off, you know 

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what I mean? 
And if you only ever lean into 

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one thing you see Jesus do, just
stay balanced. 

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That's good, you know what I'm 
saying? 

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Absolutely, yeah. 
And so, well, here's something 

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to yeah, What do you think if 
somebody can only listen to two 

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of the messages? 
OK. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Which two would you? 

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Yeah, there's so many good ones.
I think that from a justice 

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standpoint, John's was really 
good. 

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Yep, John's on Amos was really 
good. 

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Amos is a really good. 
It's just a good catch all of so

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many of the things. 
It's one of the more. 

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It just catches a lot. 
He did an amazing job. 

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Yeah, I think I'm a I'm a cheat 
and go with three. 

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OK, do it. #2 would be Habakkuk 
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I think that part of what the 
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do just show us the brokenness, 
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And like part of our response to
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grieve. 
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he's told by God himself 
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Man, I'm listening your prayers.
I hear you. 

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And nothing will get better. 
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bad guys you fear to teach y'all
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And it's still gracious and it 
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So I'd say those two and then I 
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like intense, you do have to 
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what I'm saying? 
I think Nahome was intense. 

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Ron did a great job talking 
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I think if we leave this series 
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little like we missed something.
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Zephaniah and then and then Amos
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That's probably, that probably 
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What would you say I think? 
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timely. 
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I think there were so many 
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our city and then even in our. 
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Where that was probably the 
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people at Port City go like I 
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Lord that would probably be the 
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agree with you hitting one 
that's very. 

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Intense. 
Clear. 

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Yeah, clear. 
It is sober. 

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The prophets sober us up to 
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Those would probably be my. 
Yeah, they do, man. 

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And then, yeah, people don't 
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but it's the story, like the the
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really dope redeeming love type 
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as well. 
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you and the other elders were 
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messages that you weren't able 
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captivated you, that interested 
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Hundred 100% and we dripped it 
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It's just the history side. 
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I broke down like some of the 
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it was that they didn't know the
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they found the Torah of the 
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covered in dust. 
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book. 
They can refer to it as a book. 

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We found a book when. 
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About it so that I hit on but 
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going on like I'll read this in 
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on the way over Hosea 14 here's 
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this in and there's so much 
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Thank you for grace as I find 
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Here it is Hosea 14 Three, 
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We will not ride on horses, and 
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the work of our hands. 
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they stopped going to Assyria 
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So this is this is what I didn't
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frustrating to God is that when 
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to the nations that hate God and
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Does that make sense? 
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bail worship, the idolatry. 
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nations, but it's even deeper 
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the Babylonian exile is that the
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They're like, oh, well, Babylon 
Babylon's going to come back 

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here and finish this off. 
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historically in Jeremiah. 
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should go to Egypt. 
Let's go down to Egypt for 

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protection. 
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ask the Lord what he thinks 
about us going to Egypt for 

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protection. 
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you do that, it will go bad for 
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no no 
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Like it'll be just as bad as 
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Like trust me, stay. 
Guess what they do, they pack 

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Jeremiah up and they take him to
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You get what I'm saying? 
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still, they just won't listen 
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And and part of it is so 
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It's seeking safety and 
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The satisfaction is I think this
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I think this other thing other 
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waiting on him will make me 
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We all do that all the time. 
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unique one that I didn't know 
how to or I I could have 

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articulated more like that I'm 
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Aren't we're in a moment of 
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to go. 
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20, it says some trust in 
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we trust the name of the Lord 
our God. 

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That's not just like a cool 
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It literally means, guys, when 
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other nations. 
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We don't need to hire ourselves 
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Literally they're they're a 
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will protect them. 
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it. 
We need political allies to keep

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And so that applies like crazy. 
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And our impulse is food, it's 
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friends, it's it's goals, it's 
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You know, it's like once I once 
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So I think that the idolatry of 
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was hard to articulate how 
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He's just saying bro. 

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And there's story after story, 
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Like I'll give you one more and 
then we'll get. 

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More, more. 
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people need to go read that man 
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afraid. 
You know the Babylonians or I'm 

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sorry the Assyrians are coming 
they've already taken over 

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Israel and God is like bro they 
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like you're fine trust me. 
Then that dude comes and walks 

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along the wall and talks trash 
them of like y'all trusting in 

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the Lord. 
Don't listen to Hezekiah. 

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He's lying to y'all, and he 
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this man is talking trash. 
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does something. 
They don't even have to lift a 

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spear to protect themselves. 
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It's like, if you trust me, it's
kind of like mana in the 

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wilderness, right? 
I will find a way. 

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Just because you can't see the 
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me. 
It means when you're afraid, 

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trust me. 
Like I'm going to make a way 

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even when you can't see it. 
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the thread that I think we'll 
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It's like when we're afraid, 
what we do next is so important,

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you know? 
That's so good. 

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So what's coming next? 
What are we jumping into next 

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we'll be looking forward to? 
Yes, I'm so pumped to dive into 

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Saints and Scoundrels Season 3. 
We're going into the life of 

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Jacob. 
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So Saints and Scoundrels refers 
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patriarchs. 
The patriarchs refers to God 

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originally called Abraham. 
He had a son named Isaac, had a 

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son named Jacob, who had twelve 
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So Season 4 will be next year. 
So here in Season 3, we're 

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diving into Jacob, and Jacob is 
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them. 
Is that the? 

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Truth. 
Yeah. 

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So in a lot of ways, man, I'm 
just pumped to continue to help 

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people understand the Old 
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need for grace, and then to 
learn, learn some other lessons 

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along the way. 
Good deal, sweet. 

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We look forward to closing out 
the series. 

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I know with Jonah will be our 
last. 

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One more after that one. 
More after Jonah OK, we got two 

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more in this series and then 
we'll be getting started with 

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Saints and scoundrels. 
It's. 

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Going to be awesome.