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What's going on? 
Port City family and friends, 

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Isaac here with Pastor Tanner. 
And today we're going to be 

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talking about the current sermon
series that we're wrapping up, 

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Saints and Scoundrels, looking 
at the life of Jacob. 

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Before we jump into that, 
Tanner, how you doing man? 

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Doing good, bro, I'm not gonna 
lie. 

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As we're filming, this is about 
100° in Northwest and it's too 

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hot. 
Too hot in May. 

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Norfolk's crazy, man. 
It was like 2 weeks ago I had 

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the heat on, you know, it was 
like a 40° weekend and now we're

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like 100° weekend. 
But doing good, you know, 

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staying in my deck. 
Shout out the summer projects or

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late spring summer projects. 
So I'm doing good, man. 

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Happy to be here with you. 
That's what's up. 

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And So what are you most excited
for about this summer? 

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Do you have anything? 
Any big plans, any big projects?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I gotta get this deck done, man.

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I sound like an old guy, but I 
gotta dominate this deck, man. 

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Now, I definitely got some 
projects like that. 

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The fam we're hitting Disney 
this summer. 

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They already know. 
So excited about that. 

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No, man, I'm just excited for 
more family time, more time with

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with just kind of downtime 
around the city, hitting the 

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beach and, you know, getting 
ready for for when the fall 

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hits. 
Life just speeds up. 

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You know, that's so trying to 
soak up the long summer days, 

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you know, where it's like you 
want to get outside before 10 AM

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and after 7:00 PM. 
Yep. 

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And in between you're like. 
Inside, that's right. 

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Yep, AC up. 
What about you though man? 

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Summer, what you looking forward
to? 

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City life. 
Yes, got. 

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Some college students someone be
disciples. 

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Ever city life, bro, Big deal. 
Yeah, I got the stickers in a 

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couple of days ago and that's 
when it hit. 

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It was like, man, this is. 
This is legit thing. 

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Yeah, this is a thing. 
Praise God, man. 

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Well, hey, let's go ahead and 
jump in talking about Saints and

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scoundrels. 
Yeah. 

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So how about you catch us up on 
what's been going on in the 

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narrative? 
Where are we at in the Bible? 

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What are some of the big themes?
Yep, hopefully for those of 

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y'all who've been listening and 
and for our church family, this 

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is getting more and more 
rhythmic of where we're at. 

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But this is season 3 of Saints 
and Scoundrels. 

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So we start with Abraham, then 
Isaac and Jacob. 

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The things got their worst at. 
I'm letting this pause happen so

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you can think about it. 
Genesis Chapter 11, Tower of 

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Babel. 
OK, God calls Abraham, he's 

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going to answer the problem at 
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Abraham. 
And you go Abraham down to Isaac

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learning a lot of lessons about 
who this Yahweh is. 

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This God is what these promises 
are and that just because he 

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makes a promise, it doesn't 
happen overnight, you know? 

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And so a lot of those things 
continue with Jacob. 

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I think what's unique with Jacob
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of sin and time and the 
dysfunction of his family in the

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past is like seeping into things
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So the favoritism of Isaac for 
Esau is a big thing. 

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The favoritism of Rebecca for 
Jacob plays into the the stolen 

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blessing and the birthright, all
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So Jacob comes out of the womb. 
He is literally the grasper, the

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he grabs his brother's heel. 
And there was this promise that 

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the older Esau will serve the 
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And we talked about that. 
And so Jacob is just this 

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perfect St. 
Scoundrel combo where it's like,

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what are you doing? 
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And it's like he's God's person 
because God said so and God 

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chose it that way. 
So God is not prescribing all 

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that Jacob does. 
And some of it is like a little 

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bit of faithfulness, a lot of 
scheming, and then he ends up 

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kicked out. 
There's sort of an exile theme 

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that continues. 
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out of the house with nothing 
and then he's going to go take 

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on this Laban snake like 
character is victorious 

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eventually, even though there's 
some scoundrel on how he's 

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victorious. 
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loot. 
You know, he leaves the land 

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with nothing comes back with 
everything sort of the the 

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exodus theme that we see over 
and over in Genesis. 

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And there's all kinds of goodies
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ladder, Jacob's ladder, so good.
Just so many things, man Go. 

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Listen to that sermon if you 
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Yeah, just some dope themes 
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But all of it just comes down to
this God who is using mess to 

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build a masterpiece. 
It's just crazy, man. 

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It's crazy. 
And that kind of flows into the 

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next question, which is what are
some of the big things we've 

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learned about God throughout the
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Yeah, I must say a big word in 
the theology world. 

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And when I say this word, I 
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I mean God is this. 
As a person, God is sovereign. 

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Yeah. 
And what that means, you can go 

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back and listen to the first one
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It does have like that word can 
take on philosophical 

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theological stuff really quick. 
Or what does that mean about 

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this and this and this and the 
what abouts? 

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But when you're reading Genesis,
all it means is that God does 

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what he wants. 
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When he says he's going to do 
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right. 
And when it seems crazy or like 

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he couldn't do it, he's still 
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And like, just because you don't
get it doesn't mean God ain't in

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it. 
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That's part of what sovereign 
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us. 
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but he has committed himself 
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You know what I mean, through 
Abraham. 

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And so, yeah, this guy is just, 
he's uncontainable. 

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You know, he is explosively kind
and generous and powerful and so

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many things in the the 
historical word to describe this

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guy who does what he wants, 
doesn't have to explain himself,

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but makes promises, and we'll 
wait 25 years to make it happen.

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But then it went exactly. 
I always said it would happen. 

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It's sovereign. 
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How? 
It's not like, yeah, there's all

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kinds of historical debates 
around the extent of what that 

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means for every scenario. 
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But at Port City, when we use 
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or scared of some of the 
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that. 
But let's be clear that it comes

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from the way the narrative 
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want God to be. 
Does that make sense? 

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Yeah, so that's so good. 
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And 2nd is that God is Redeemer.
So he's a sovereign Redeemer. 

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him. 
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creation to be like Eden. 
He wants all things made new for

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the whole, all the families on 
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That's what he told Abraham. 
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plan, I would microwave that 
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quick, you know? 
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and it's 25 years before he even
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That's not how we would do it. 
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And so just the perfect example 
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like, they go and they do the 
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Ishmael and God is going to 
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But he's still going to go 
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plan. 
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stuff where Jacob is a schemer. 
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but he is some kind of way using
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And like the stuff with Laban, 
that story is just insane. 

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You know where they find he 
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leaving, leaves without telling 
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start. 
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Laban, give Laban a dream that 
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Laban would have come and like 
thrown the smack down on Jacob 

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for leaving without telling him.
And then Jacob's talking some 

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trash. 
Like, that's right. 

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The Lord rebuked you and you 
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gods. 
Meanwhile, his wife did one of 

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his two wives, 'cause he's 
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household gods. 
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So it's just crazy. 
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So God is sovereign and God is 
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You could say he's a sovereign 
Redeemer. 

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That's right. 
Somebody that's good, that's 

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good. 
And so as we're kind of 

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summarizing the series you've 
been in, have there been any 

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themes or truths that you found 
especially important or 

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applicable right now? 
Yes. 

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So couple things. 
Let's start with God, then we'll

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go to like what that means for 
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Like God is working right. 
He is so like in our felt 

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experience on a page where it 
says that, you know, in Isaac 

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story, his wife was barren. 
Rebecca was and it says that he 

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prayed to the Lord for her, her 
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before before she ends up having
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That's just one sentence in a 
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But like, does that mean God was
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in the narrative? 
Does that make sense? 

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Like God is always working. 
He's always working in the 

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narrative and I think we just 
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Like we'll talked about that a 
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mess is going on, we just think 
like, can God use this? 

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And I think Genesis is screaming
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Look at who your God is. 
You don't have to take matters 

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into your own hands. 
Use the God appointed means to 

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go about the God appointed 
things and just trust that God 

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appointed stuff is going to 
happen even when you can't 

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connect all the dots. 
Because I think we live in a 

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world that is extremely linear 
and efficiency like crazed, you 

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know, like and dude, all the 
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OK, I read atomic habits 
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Like, I think that stuff is 
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Like control what you control 
your environment and goals, all 

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of it, man, let's do it. 
And like God is working in a way

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that doesn't fit that, you know,
he's a farmer. 

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He is a like God is the ultimate
artist and creative and like he,

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he just, it's not that he's anti
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I'm just saying it doesn't fit 
our paradigms for efficiency and

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we just have to trust that God 
is working in our lives as the 

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church and he's fulfilling the 
Great Commission. 

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We play a role in that. 
We need to pray. 

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We need to seek the good of 
Norfolk and just trust that God 

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is working when we're doing what
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Just trust him. 
You know, like if this story 

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screams anything on year 24, 
Abraham and Sarah think nothing 

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is going to happen, you know, so
just trust the Lord, which leads

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me to like from a fell 
experience, it's going to feel 

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like waiting. 
You know, like that was one of 

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the first sermons was like, do I
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And like, we see Esau is a 
forsaker and we see Jacob is a 

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schemer and neither makes sense 
in light of who this God is. 

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You know, we can wait on him. 
We can turn to him, we can trust

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him, we can go to him. 
And in that there's this theme 

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over and over that obedience 
matters and their foolishness is

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not prescribing you go do what 
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sovereign and Redeemer. 
Do your thing. 

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You know, it's kind of the like 
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your obedience mattering from 
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You just feel as you're reading,
like Jacob. 

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Oh, so because he's an idiot. 
Can I go be a polygamist? 

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No, you know what I mean? 
Like you should not do that. 

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Yes. 
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Waiting is hard, but good God is
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justify the means. 
Like we don't, we don't leverage

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the fact that God will clean it 
up to make a mess. 

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But know that even as you're 
trying, you're making a mess and

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God is going to use it. 
You know what I'm saying? 

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But they're different hearts. 
One of them is like, let me take

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advantage of. 
The other is like, let me not 

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act like this is all on me, but 
let me take some steps. 

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That's so good. 
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end and wrapping things up, we 
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where we want to read. 
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Old Testament and see how the 
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and fulfilling in Jesus. 
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the story of story of Jacob? 
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Far, yes, so many ways y'all 
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The phrase truer and greater, it
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every character, every image, 
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fulfills it in a greater way. 
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leads you to Jesus. 
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the latter, you know, Jacob's 
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Man tried to connect heaven and 
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OK, well, God gives Jacob this 
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connected. 
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Jesus basically says I, it 
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am the latter, you'll see angels
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Son of Man, which makes you 
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the means by which Jesus 
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And it's like, yes, so the 
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role of Jacob. 
You know, the blessing will come

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to all through you. 
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how he's the true and greater 
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blessings should flow. 
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wanting to be a part of the 
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Yep. 
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Esau In the story, Esau only 
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because he got schemed out of it
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some food and just forsook it. 
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and greater older brother who 
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inheritance, he's like, you 
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Yes, He blesses us. 
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So I'll give you my status in 
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You can't earn that. 
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and greater Jacob who becomes 
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he schemed his older brother out
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you know, like he was the 
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life down for the schemers. 
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And one more I was thinking of 
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We're about to preach this 
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but with Laban. 
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bit like. 
You're getting the irony. 

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Yeah, it is. 
But I have John, Pastor John, in

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my head, something John talks 
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I remember who he heard it from 
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But it's this idea that Jesus is
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So he can undo oppression 
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In the case of Jesus, it's like 
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without becoming Laban. 
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doesn't out scheme schemers. 
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and perfect and good and then 
like lays his life down for 

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schemers, you know. 
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well where like there is an 
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and like Jesus defeated him by 
being conquered by death, you 

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know? 
And so yeah, Jesus is the the 

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ultimate hero of all of these 
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So. 
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Alright, final question. 
As we're wrapping up here, what 

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can people be looking forward to
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Well Dang, not the rest of the 
series 'cause this is gonna be a

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recap, but. 
That's OK. 

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Keep her rolling, man. 
That's authentic. 

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Yeah. 
Poor city is. 

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True. 
This is true. 

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Let me refrain the question. 
Where are we going next? 

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Where are we going next? 
Man, I know that every, every 

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time I preach, I'm like, this is
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time or most exciting series of 
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I feel that way a lot about this
one we're about to do. 

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It's on second Timothy. 
That's one of those books that's

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just. 
Gonna be a banger, it's gonna 

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be. 
So good Second Timothy has been 

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in me for years. 
One of the first epistles I ever

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read. 
I mean, it's Paul's last letter.

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Yeah. 
Like it's just like, dude, it is

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just so golden. 
Let me let me read off the 

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titles of the sermon series. 
If this doesn't snitch, you 

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fired up. 
You need to check your pulse. 

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OK. 
The series is called Guard the 

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Gospel. 
Here are the 8 sermon titles, 

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Gospel courage, Gospel 
unashamed, Gospel work, Gospel 

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workers, Gospel opposition, 
Gospel foundation, Gospel 

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ministry, and Gospel people in 
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It's a lot of gospel. 
And if that don't get you gospel

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fired up, you need to check your
gospel pulse one time because 

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Paul is just laying his heart 
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Timothy and man, I'm just one of
the great joys of my life to get

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to walk through Second Timothy 
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It's gonna be awesome. 
Man, so pumped for that. 

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Yeah, when will you be get 
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It's dates. 
Second week in June. 

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June 14th. 
This summer, bringing the sun to

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look forward to a. 
Great summer

