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Welcome to the Port, City Church
podcast coming to you for the 

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city of Norfolk, Virginia. 
My name is Lauren and I'm your 

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host. 
This is episode number six 

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Church structure and membership.
And today I'm here with two of 

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our founding pastors will end 
Tanner. 

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So guys, want you to say hello 
and then just so our listeners 

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can get to know you guys a 
little bit better. 

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Tell us today if you are a early
bird in the morning or do you 

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tend to sleep? 
So I am will. 

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And I most certainly an early 
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That's me I like to wake up as 
early as I can and get my 

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routine in before the kids wake 
up and just kind of get some 

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alone time. 
So, I will say not all of us are

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that way. 
But yeah. 

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Yeah this man eats the same 
thing every single day for 

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breakfast. 
Like I need to let the listener,

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understand the same thing. 
There's health and structure. 

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There is bro, is I'm trying to 
I'm trying to affirm you 

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publicly just wanna share what 
Is for everybody. 

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Yes, yes, it is a bowl of 
oatmeal with some butter and 

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bananas. 
You remember that time we went 

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on an eight mile run and 
literally 20 minutes before you 

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were crushing that dumb like the
bro, how are you about to run? 

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Like, how are you doing with 
that in your stomach here? 

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Like, but don't worry about my 
process process. 

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Trust the problem. 
I did, I did I did stop a few a 

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little bit early on that run 
though and I did have to walk 

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back. 
So I think I got to Technically 

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complete. 
I thought maybe if I didn't eat 

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it all with him, I feel that. 
Yeah my name is Tanner I'm 

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definitely an early bird. 
Sits kind of always been that 

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way. 
Even back like high school, me 

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and my dad would get up for 
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Yeah, I'm kind of same way. 
I just, I enjoy the routine. 

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I'm a coffee guy. 
I love to read. 

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So I just I love the routine in 
the morning. 

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Yeah. 
So follow up questions. 

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And yes. 
Well onto the bus. 

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Yes. 
Do you also eat the same thing 

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for back? 
No, I have the same few things, 

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definitely, so I Which you do my
guy. 

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I wouldn't say like I'm a little
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Like, if I'm working out, I'll 
do certain things. 

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If I'm not, I might eat on. 
Might not, I have multiple 

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processes. 
We'll get. 

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We'll get there. 
We'll get there. 

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All right off, he's always 
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That's right, that's right. 
So now that everybody knows your

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morning routine. 
There we go. 

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Let's jump in. 
So we've heard a lot about 

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Ministry, philosophy and 
Theology and we walk through a 

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lot of stuff in our episodes 
together and we're Starting to 

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wrap things up and this episode 
today, we want to have a 

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conversation about the nuts and 
bolts of what is the church. 

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Like we really boil it all the 
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How does Port City Church 
operate and who are the people 

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that compose? 
It? 

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It's a good question, Laura. 
So I'm going to talk a little 

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bit about the structure and then
we'll we'll kind of talk about, 

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you know, the people that 
compose it went kind of bounced 

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around. 
So poor City Church is a church 

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that is structured in particular
way where Jesus ruled Ed and 

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congregationally accountable and
just to be clear different 

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different churches do this 
different ways and all of them 

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should be deriving that from 
scripture. 

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Jesus ruled means like, you 
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A lot of times Big C versus a 
little see Church, Big C church.

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Just means the church 
everywhere. 

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All people. 
All believers, you know, 

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converted saved. 
Love the Lord all across the 

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world. 
The little C church is the local

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expression. 
Of kind of that Global reality 

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of coming into people to one 
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So our church is Jesus ruled and
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one we answer to. 
He's the one we follow. 

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He's the one we submit to. 
He has the final word on his 

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church, both little C and Big C.
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his desires for our church laid 
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Like the way that that God 
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Testament to set up the church. 
That's how we run things. 

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Jesus is the boss. 
So we're Jesus rule were also 

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Elder led the New Testament kind
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Paul's letters in particular 
Peter talks about as well Elders

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Elder and Pastor are 
interchangeable terms and the 

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elders are are entrusted with 
knowing leading feeding and 

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protecting the congregation. 
The church decisions are made by

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the elders. 
The Elder team here is composed 

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of two parts. 
It's we have Team elders and 

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directional Elders. 
Team Elders lead their 

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respective teams in the members 
and coordinators within that 

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team. 
They are doing The Knowing 

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leading feeding protecting of 
that team, the people there in 

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the directional Elders oversee 
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charged with churchwide 
decisions and Leadership and 

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there's there's accountability 
amongst the directional elders 

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and team elders and they discuss
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And it's important remember too 
that like the elders, both 

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directional in team Within 
Church are still members of the 

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church like where were shepherds
before the Lord, but we're also 

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like sheep. 
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Like, we, we follow God with 
with our brothers and sisters in

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the church, but we have been 
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accountable to him for the 
Sheep. 

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So a little bit when will gets 
into who the churches who the 

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church is and how its structured
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They're not like they are 
separate questions but the way 

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we run it and what it is are 
kind of like in Interlocked we 

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will stand before God for how 
we've known lead fed and 

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protected our people. 
So we take that very seriously 

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and the last one is 
congregationally accountable all

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covered it members. 
Here are charged with with 

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following the leadership of the 
elders but are to keep a 

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watchful eye on us as well. 
Like, that's a mutual and we try

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to lay that out in every episode
from things. 

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Like the, the confession, the 
Covenant, all these things are a

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something that the members are 
committing to the elders are Are

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are the overseers, the leaders 
of, there's a mutual 

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accountability. 
You know, when we're out of step

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with scripture, man, that's the 
congregation's job to like be 

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like, hey, do you know, show me 
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You know, and really to walk 
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unity and any concerns, bring 
them up a little be taken, 

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serious will be reflected upon 
and, and that's kind of the the 

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symbiotic relationship there 
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Awesome. 
That was really helpful Tanner 

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and so let's follow it that a 
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You said congregationally 
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just the people who show up on 
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audience, who were the technical
people in Port City Church, of 

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course, in which you, which you 
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William, that's a really good 
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So I I think the way that I'm 
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about it, talk about who's in, 
how do you even get in and then 

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I'm gonna let Tanner, I'm a toss
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bit let Talk about what in the 
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in. 
So, who's in, so when we talk 

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about the congregation short, 
answer is no, it's not everybody

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that's here on Sunday morning. 
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Believers in Christ who have 
covenanted together under the 

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authority of the elders. 
So we recognize that everybody 

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that comes to the service on 
Sunday morning may not fall into

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that category. 
And so how would they get in? 

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How do you get in the first? 
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around the people that are in in
different ways and forms, we 

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want you to get around and get 
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The next thing is to apply. 
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application and the reason for 
that application is so that we 

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can get to know you and see if 
you fit that that mold of being 

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a baptized believer in Christ. 
Whose Covenant who wants to come

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in it together under the 
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Once you fill out that 
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interview and don't let that 
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There's not like, you know, 
there's not anything crazy, you 

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know, serious going on in there.
We just really want to make. 

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Get to know. 
You better and understand what 

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your story is. 
Make sure that you are a 

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Believer, make sure that you 
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You can identify hey, there was 
a time before Christ Christ came

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into my life. 
I believed this and then now 

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I've changed. 
This is how changing this is who

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I am now. 
And then we want to go through 

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our theological or we want to 
make sure that you have 

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theological agreement with our 
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And we're going to walk through 
that a little bit and make sure 

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that you kind of understand what
we're saying when we say these 

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different things. 
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make sure that you understand 
the expectations of the 

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membership, Covenant. 
So we want to make sure that you

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understand exactly what we're 
coming together to say that 

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we're going to do with you and 
for you and that you're going to

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do as being a part of us as 
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And then once that meeting 
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at the end of that meeting, you 
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Please come in or no. 
No, please don't. 

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So that the actual decision as 
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And so we'll go back and say, 
hey, this is, this is so, and so

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that wants to become a member 
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believe that they meet the 
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And so, the Elder team would 
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Let's extend membership to them 
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your court and so you know we're
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hey you know, based on our 
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us we believe that you are part 
of this group of baptized 

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believers. 
Believe that you understand? 

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The Covenant that we're asking 
you to sign and so we want to 

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ask. 
Will you? 

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Do you want to sign this? 
Do you want to be a part of our 

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family? 
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or not you want a covenant with 
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And then I'm going to let em, 
let Tanner talk a little bit 

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about what it means to Covenant 
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And even before I do that, I 
want to just build on something 

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you were saying like and again 
like what the church is like, 

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when you read the New Testament,
it is a body of people. 

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It is a it is a family is 
literally Christ's body of which

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he is the head. 
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And so, like, man, we can never 
no human being, can know, beyond

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a shadow of a doubt who all of 
the Believers within even their 

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membership. 
Exactly are like, we are not the

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Holy Spirit, but the New 
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that the church is, like, the 
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of, who claims to be God's 
people, because we are 

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representing the Risen Lord to 
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We are Salt and Light, Eight is 
so like, man, if we're flipping 

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on these things, like if you're 
listening, you been rocking with

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every episode like man. 
We're not we're not trying to 

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create like a purity complex. 
We don't we don't put our trust 

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in these things. 
We have our trust in the Lord in

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the way he's laid, these 
processes out in his word and by

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the best of our abilities, what 
we're going to do. 

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But yeah, this is not like super
formal man. 

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Like if you love the Lord, if 
you're in Christ, you could 

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articulate that sometimes people
just, you know, struggle with 

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articulating, their story will 
walk with you in that. 

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But yeah like if you're not 
super sure you're a Believer you

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can see what be dangerous to 
affirm you into membership of a 

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church. 
We don't want to Aid in the 

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self-deception that that would 
be you know like that would not 

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be loving to say you're a member
of God's body when you're not 

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right. 
You know talk about it. 

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Let's talk about hey do you want
to be a member of the body you 

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know so all this stuff sometimes
like to the point you're making 

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will like is not formal man. 
This is like this is what the 

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church has been doing for 
thousands of years. 

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We're gonna be like there were 
hundreds of years or Was getting

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interviewed. 
You know what I mean? 

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Like I mean this stuff has been 
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So this is just by God's grace 
how we gonna do it. 

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It was also just want to point 
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it's not we're not saying, you 
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anymore. 
We're sure do. 

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There's not a there's not a, 
we're not at nothing to work 

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with that Testament talks about.
Yeah, we're not. 

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And we have people, we are 
people that still struggles and 

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they're still walking and trying
to grow in Jesus. 

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And so, right, that's not a 
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Well, now we just Just we just 
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We're gonna lift the hood seal 
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All right. 
There. 

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You Covenant into, are you 
coming into these other people 

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who are doing that as well? 
And do you know what that means 

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and let's rock. 
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What does that mean at our 
church to be in to be a member 

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really in a lot of ways? 
What it comes down to is to, you

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know, you're living a 
transformed life by the Risen 

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Lord Jesus. 
And you're going to live a 

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three-dimensional life of up in 
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That's that's our core rhythms. 
We are going to worship God 

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together. 
Up. 

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We are going to chase him. 
We're in the where we're walking

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in those rhythms together. 
We are living out. 

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The one another's of scripture 
together and we are we are 

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seeking the good of our city. 
We're loving people and hoping 

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to see lost people get saved, 
you know, we're building, 

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building insiders up, inviting 
Outsiders in and then 

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practically man, what that means
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gathered body on Sundays. 
You are coming to team meetings.

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You are come, you're in a group,
you're running plays in the 

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city. 
Man, you're just committed to 

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God's glory in your life and in 
the the life of our body here 

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are local church family. 
You know that's really what it 

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means to follow up. 
Excellent. 

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All right. 
You guys that is all that we 

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have today from Port City Church
podcast, mayor lister's live and

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powered by Jesus. 
I will talk to you all again.