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Before we get further into it, 
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quick, you want to just take a 
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yourself and your practice and 
you know who you are and what 

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you do and kind of give a little
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things. 
OK so my name is Doctor Kyra 

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Herring. 
I have been practicing vet 

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medicine since 1997. 
I graduated from University of 

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Florida. 
I have my own private practice 

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in Glens Falls. 
I've worked at a number of 

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different practices in the the 
region down to Albany. 

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When I've done a lot of per diem
work prior to owning my own 

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practice, a lot of times they 
come to my house, but other 

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times they may go to my 
counterparts here in my office. 

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You know, a lot of times they'll
adopt them as well, but that's 

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my, my favorite thing. 
The only, the only reason I, you

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know, well, let me back pedal. 
The reason I loved having a 

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private practice was I could 
also mesh that aspect of what I 

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love to do, along with having 
the the client communication. 

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You lack that when you're doing 
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you, you're not getting that 
relationship with your clients, 

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which is wonderful. 
I love to, you know, get the 

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context of, you know, who are 
these people that love these 

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animals and try to build 
relationships. 

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It's really, you know, 
incredibly rewarding. 

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And so I've had this practice 
since 2006. 

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I work by myself, soon to be 
with two young, eager new 

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graduates, which is going to be 
amazing. 

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Something that is lacking has 
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told it's because the funding 
isn't there. 

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So I've done a little bit of my 
own legwork to kind of look into

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the reality of that. 
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unfortunately, I need the town 
board members to jump on board 

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with the concept of at least 
acknowledging you've let these 

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animals down. 
Unfortunately, when you do this,

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you're complicit indirectly in 
animal neglect. 

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You know, you haven't provided 
these animals with the framework

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to stay safe. 
You don't allow people who may 

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be less unfortunate financially 
to care for animals to surrender

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those animals into a safe space.
And so we end up with these 

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animals that may be dumped on 
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maybe they're abused as well. 
So I've come to be aware that we

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need to get the acknowledgement 
from the town board members that

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there is an issue here. 
Let's open our eyes to this. 

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Let's work together. 
Let's talk to law enforcement 

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officials, talk to the 
sheriff's, talk to the troopers.

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What's really going on? 
What is the the safety network 

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that these animals have? 
And you're gonna find it's very 

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poor structure and they're very 
frustrated. 

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They have nowhere to turn when I
say they, the law enforcement 

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officials. 
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allow things to move to the next
level, I'll say where, Where 

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they acknowledge, yeah, we have 
a need. 

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Where there's a need, there will
be financial backing that we can

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apply for through both the 
federal and state level. 

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So it's not accurate or 
acceptable, I guess I should say

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or kind to say that the funding 
isn't there. 

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We need to 1st open our eyes 
that there's a problem and then 

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do something about it, get to 
the next level and then figure 

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the other parts out. 
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awareness. 
Awareness on the part of the 

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community. 
People I come across in my vet 

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practice that are just blown 
away when they are told that. 

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And as a vet for years and 
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three counties, Saratoga, Warren
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investigators, different law 
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I've testified in grand jury for
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it's crazy the number of abuse 
cases that are really coming to 

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the forefront right now, which 
is good to get a little bit of 

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traction here, but I just don't 
want it to just die. 

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I don't want this to be for 
nothing that these animals were 

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abused and, you know, they're 
part of their stories, brought 

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forward and landed three of them
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Like, I want this to actually be
for something like for me as a 

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vet, you know, that as part of 
the community, but also as a 

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vet, as also as an animal lover,
also now as an animal advocate, 

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I kind of really want to start 
to get actively seeking the 

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attention from the town board 
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And they cry poverty. 
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That's a terrible excuse for the
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counties. 
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that. 
And so the petition was started.

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It in particular for a 
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case that came on my doorstep 
when a trooper had nowhere to 

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turn. 
He had, it took over 400 days 

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for this to come to light, 400 
days of this man's property with

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animals being abused. 
It took 400 days for anything to

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happen and they brought the 
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those 3 animals are still under 
my care since August 30th. 

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That's because there's no 
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them from the injured phase. 
Taking the call from law 

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enforcement, doing something 
with that phone call, being able

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to place those sick animals in a
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rehabilitate and then get proper
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When you say the animals are 
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obviously could cover so many 
different things. 

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You and, and it's interesting 
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literally just today saw a case 
of a guy with, with some animals

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in Corinth that the state 
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Or maybe it's the Sheriff's 
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But, you know, you hear animal 
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what that means, you know, so, 
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dive into that a little bit? 
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this is where I think also the 
laws really need to change. 

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I think the DA's prosecutors 
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abuse versus neglect versus, you
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misdemeanor, what's going to 
become a felony because cats are

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literally not even dealt with by
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Dogs are deemed property. 
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That's a really, really ugly 
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To think that, for instance, 
dogs that were in this boarding 

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facility in Argyle, all those 21
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the DEA slapped them with just a
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All these dogs that died because
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intent to harm these animals. 
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for animals, you better darn 
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with a sustenance, the safety 
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If somebody's paying you to care
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know how to do that. 
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called and they go to a home and
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looks like it's starving, it's 
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food bowl, has water provided to
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it could be, you know, 10 below 
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needs. 
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to get them to follow through 
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there's something wrong with 
that dog medically is very 

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difficult. 
It's difficult for law 

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enforcement because they don't 
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So they don't really even have 
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of support to know, OK, I have a
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This is a starving, you know, 
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Washington County, you only have
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instance, in this Whitehall 
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ended up here. 
This kitten had severe facial 

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wounds and teeth that were 
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I was confident the leg was 
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Fortunately not. 
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severely flee infested that I 
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from their white bedding, it was
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some of it like red from the 
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chewing on these animals. 
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what we call flea dirt, which is
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That's the fleas poop. 
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animals were. 
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with a, a bunch of issues with 
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and injuries and trauma. 
So that's one example of an 

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abuse case I dealt with. 
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other puppies and dogs there, 
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But I've also testified on a on 
cases such as Dalmatian that was

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shot to death when somebody went
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started to shoot through the 
front door thinking they were 

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going to get a human, but they 
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I had to evaluate kittens that 
just just, I'm sorry for the 

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graphics, but their heads were 
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I, I had the nicest, you know, 
one of the nicest breeds of dog 

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is a Boston Terrier. 
And these two grown men who were

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drunk as skunks decided to say 
that they were terrified this 

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Boston Terrier was going to hurt
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So instead of walking away from 
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would only probably lick you, 
they took a hammer to this dog 

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and bludgeoned it to death to 
the point where the poor dog had

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aspirated its teeth into its 
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So I've seen the most horrific 
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I've seen dogs burn to death, 
you know, left purposefully in a

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home, you know, that was torched
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It's it's pretty graphic. 
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because, you know, I'm here to 
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And then when you see that I 
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trying to do their best for 
their pets, then you see that 

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there's this whole other 
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living under this, you know, 
horrific abuse, starvation, 

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freezing cold. 
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froze to death on manhole 
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It just case after case after 
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officers who are clients of 
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they'll complain about the fact 
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that there is no official chain 
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not to engage on something. 
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to a call and they want to do 
something with it, it just falls

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on deaf ears as it gets to 
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just get away with it. 
And so it's just a perpetual 

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issue. 
And what we all know and you 

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know, we've all heard stories 
about, you know, the, the person

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that's abusing these animals, 
they're likely also abusing 

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humans, children, elderly and 
that's it. 

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It's really sad. 
Let me let me go back to this 

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one abuse case that kind of 
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And a lot of people in 
Washington County are very aware

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of a case that just transpired, 
the white, this case in 

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Whitehall, which took over 400 
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actively get the three most 
badly cared for, or I should say

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the most abused if if we want to
even talk about, you know, which

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are more abused and which to 
leave behind. 

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It's sad. 
But he had to take and select 

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the three worst, bring them to 
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And then again, they're still 
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And then the rest were left for 
a period of time again until he 

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could get further support, I 
think through the court to go 

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back onto the property to seize 
the other ones, the other 

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animals. 
And it was a problem to figure 

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out where to place these 
animals. 

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So it was with the help of a 
bunch of of people and I'm not 

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sure really, I can't say their 
name, who they are because I 

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don't really even know what that
network amounted to like which 

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people I just know that dog 
control got was involved 

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directly. 
There may have been animal 

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control, but also your humane 
association did a wonderful job 

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as well. 
So several different agencies 

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had to come forward to figure 
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other animals. 
Another local area that ended up

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evaluating, I think it was over 
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that property. 
Now when I posted about this on 

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my social media it was sad that 
a lot of stories came out as to 

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what people would see driving by
this property that they're 

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always constantly signs outside 
looking to sell puppies, puppies

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and and young dogs that were 
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fence line. 
I I not I didn't witness this 

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but this is what I'm informed 
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One said picture that I posted 
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literally starved to death the 
poor thing after giving birth to

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two sets of puppies and only 
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survived. 
The photos taken that look like 

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third world element and the the 
property looks so in disrepair 

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where these animals were kept 
sleeping on rocks. 

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Puppies sleeping on rocks, 
broken pieces of wood, eating 

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out of boxes. 
They were eating trash, dried up

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empty water bowls. 
People took to get proof they 

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were taking photos of what was 
going on there. 

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And that is coming up on 
November 10th, I believe. 

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Let me just the. 
Town board meeting is. 

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No, this is going to be this 
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It's going to trial and that 
will be this Whitehall case that

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I'm Speaking of. 
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10th at 2:00. 
It's a Whitehall hearing. 

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And I think we need to have a 
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A lot of people are very angered
and there needs to be massive 

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consequence for this individual 
because this is not the first 

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time there and he needs to just 
be stopped. 

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You know, this abuse has to 
stop. 

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But there are county board 
meetings that I think are really

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important for people to come to,
to support the animals that 

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can't show up to these meetings 
themselves, that would otherwise

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probably love to show up for 
themselves. 

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The Washington County Board 
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One is on November 13th, the 
other's on December 11th. 

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And they placed that at a very 
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potentially. 
Maybe that should be an issue 

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that they need to realize. 
A lot of people work, but 

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hopefully people can make that 
those meetings. 

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Excuse me. 
And then there's a Warren County

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Board 2 meetings. 
One is November 21st, the other 

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is December 19th and again at 
the inconvenient time of 10 AM. 

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So hopefully we can get a 
showing there. 

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We don't need to have permission
to come. 

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They will have to hear stories, 
and I hope other people show up 

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with their own personal stories 
of, you know, the countless 

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things I hear. 
I found a cat on the side of the

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road. 
It had been hit by a car. 

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I had nowhere to turn. 
I footed the bill myself. 

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I rehabilitated the cat myself. 
These are, you know, very common

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themes that I see coming through
my practice. 

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And sometimes they are just 
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and veterinarians are forced to 
field these these calls for what

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should otherwise really be the 
shelter's issue. 

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They should be manning these 
issues at a local animal 

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shelter, county animal shelter. 
So in that scenario, and like in

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the scenario where you've taken 
on these three animals, is the 

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is the burden of care placed 
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Like do you have to pay for the 
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you know, obviously your time, 
which it sounds like you're 

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happy to give, but at the same 
time, you only have so much time

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and you still do have to run a 
business. 

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So there's no, there's no 
support whatsoever for folks 

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when it comes to helping these 
animals. 

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So I what I what it it sounds 
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objective would be to get a 
shelter. 

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At least one in place to service
Warren and Washington counties, 

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which to me that's like a 
monstrous footprint for one 

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shelter. 
But but, you know, start 

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somewhere, right? 
At least get. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
One's better than none. 

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But the the challenge to that 
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funding. 
But it's not so much that there 

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isn't funds available, it's just
that the, the, the counties 

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themselves have to decide that 
this is an issue that they want 

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to fix. 
And then that starts the process

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rolling to be able to start to 
request funding through grants 

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or whatever it is that that's a 
fair assessment. 

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Yes, definitely. 
And I've spoken to a senator's 

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office, Elise Stefanik's office,
and they have people that are 

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willing, you know, once this 
gets going, can assist with, you

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know, the next phase. 
And also me, I'm going to be 

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meeting with Kelly Duvall, who's
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to talk about, you know, what 
did it take, you know, to bring 

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that facility forward? 
And I've, I've heard the story 

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from both Warren and Washington 
County town Board members, I've 

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spoken to them before that that 
it's a very wealthy county and 

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it's very different. 
Well, yes, that still does not 

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take away the reality that 
animals are being abused and 

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neglected. 
As you said, start somewhere. 

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You don't need to have the same,
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up immediately. 
You just need to do something 

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like start the process. 
Once the process is started. 

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I am, I fully know that people 
would volunteer in great numbers

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to try to see, you know, these 
animals get the proper care that

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they need come, you know, to 
help care for them. 

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That donations would be able to 
be sought for if, you know, 

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again, if there was awareness. 
Now, I know the other issue 

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that's going to be a big issue 
is right now Washington County 

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has a big pickle financially 
that they're planning on 

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increasing the county's overall 
individual taxes the the 

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community people. 
And that's a problem, you know, 

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and it's it shouldn't be a 
problem for the animals. 

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That's not whatever happened 
with the mismanagement of the 

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budget should not hit the 
residents as far as I'm 

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concerned, but it also shouldn't
hit the animals. 

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Like that's not fair to still 
ignore a big problem that has 

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been an age-old problem. 
It still needs to be something 

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that's addressed and bring 
awareness and be open minded to 

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this problem. 
Has there never been a shelter 

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in either county? 
No, Washington County has had 

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none. 
There was a number of years ago,

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I again, don't ask me the year, 
the the time frame, but there 

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was a Warren County operation 
that was started and something 

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was not quite appropriate with 
how the finances were allocated.

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And it was squandered somehow. 
And that put a very bad taste in

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the mouths of the the town board
members. 

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They saw this mismanagement. 
And at this point they have a 

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contract with the SPCA of 
Upstate New York. 

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I'm not sure you know what their
title is. 

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It's not an animal shelter. 
A shelter is 1, which takes in 

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resident community animals, 
let's them house their 

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rehabilitate there, and then 
they're adopted out. 

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There's an adoption program. 
They, I believe, again, somebody

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would need to, you know, do the 
legwork to figure that out. 

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I think they're open on a 
limited basis and they work on 

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some abuse cases for Warren 
County. 

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So I'm, I'm curious, obviously 
the shelter, I think it's a no 

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brainer that it helps with 
taking in animals, 

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rehabilitating them if needed, 
and then helping placement and 

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find new homes. 
When we first started talking 

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though, some of the things that 
you said, it sounded to me like 

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you feel that having that 
shelter could also be 

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preventative in some cases for 
abuse. 

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Help me understand that. 
So it's not so much that it 

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would be, well, I mean it could 
be in the sense that it could 

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help with there could be 
educational programs, there 

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could be low cost spay neuter 
programs. 

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There could be vaccine clinics. 
Again, there could be situations

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where somebody gets down on 
their times and financially 

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doesn't have the ability to 
afford their pets care or food 

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for their pet. 
And maybe they either seek some 

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support, you know, in, in that 
from that direction, or they 

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again, surrender the pet to get 
a better, you know, a better 

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opportunity. 
So in in that aspect, it can be 

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kind of preventative, but also 
preventative in the way that 

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it's not, it's not so much that 
is preventative. 

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It is a network for a proper 
network. 

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When a shelter, the the shelter 
board people should have the 

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proper education into the proper
laws that surround animal abuse 

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cases so that law enforcement 
officials that they're not 

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that's not their training that 
they have some place to turn to 

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when it's, you know, this is 
type of case like Whitehall 

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where they were called by a Good
Samaritan who says, I see, you 

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know, puppies abound and they're
running into the street and dogs

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that are skinny and cats 
everywhere help. 

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And a lot of times they are kind
of stopped in their tracks. 

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They don't know the law 
enforcement agents themselves. 

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They don't know where to turn. 
Where do they turn when they 

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when they have this? 
I have been told by numerous law

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enforcement agents when I talk 
with them that 9 out of 10 times

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when they have a situation of 
concern and they call dog 

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control, 9 out of 10 times their
phone call isn't addressed or 

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picked up. 
So what do they do then? 

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They can't just, you know, start
throwing a bunch of animals in 

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their trunk and drive around 
with them. 

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They need to have a place to go.
They need to know that, you 

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know, when I have a search 
warrant that once I get these 30

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animals, I have a facility to 
bring them to. 

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So it's, it allows action to be 
taken swiftly there. 

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There should be just a sequence,
a chain of, you know, one phone 

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call leads to this phone call 
and not this wild goose chase. 

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And then before you know it, 400
days later, these animals have 

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been suffering because nobody 
could address the issue. 

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And that's the problem. 
Yeah, 400 days sounds like a lot

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of time, you know, it's and, and
I and it, I know you're not 

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faulting the law enforcement 
here or it doesn't sound far at 

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all, just sounds like their 
hands are kind of tied as far as

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what they're able to do, 
resources that are available. 

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And it sounds like you feel that
just having the shelter would be

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at least a a first step to being
able to create that support 

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system for law enforcement. 
Right. 

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Absolutely. 
And, and so it's just, it's so 

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surprising to me that we don't 
have a shelter. 

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We don't have, because obviously
this is not a new problem. 

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You know, like I said, I, I 
literally just saw a post on 

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Facebook about someone local to 
me that I think it involved a 

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couple of a few dogs or 
something along those lines. 

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And it seems like it's a lot 
more common that than you would 

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believe. 
I, I, you know, it's interesting

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because I know, like, I mean, we
have 4 dogs, 2 cats, we have a 

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farm, so we have lots of room 
for all those animals. 

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But like I, I'm an animal lover.
And most people I think I know 

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that have dogs treat their dogs 
like they treat their kids. 

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And it's always so it's always 
surprising to me because I live 

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in the world where people just 
love animals. 

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And why, Yeah. 
Right. 

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And to think that there's this 
other side, the dark side. 

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Of the dark side, yeah. 
Yeah, that it is just 

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absolutely. 
It's wild. 

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I yeah, fathom and. 
That's a big exactly. 

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It's a big dark side, which is 
really the heart wrenching 

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thing. 
I mean, it's it's sad and you 

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know, I guess because I'm a vet,
this is what I hear. 

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You know, I'm, I'm, I'm 
unfortunately privileged to or 

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unprivileged. 
I guess if you know, in my mind 

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to know of these cases, you 
know, everybody would want to 

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stay naive that this is going on
because it's it's a horrible 

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thing to think of. 
Nobody wants to think of animals

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or children being and it's sad. 
It's terrible. 

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Yeah. 
And when you were mentioning the

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meetings before, you know, it 
sounds like you're really trying

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to get people to go to these 
meetings and to speak up and 

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have their voices heard. 
What, what impact will that have

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with people going to these 
meetings? 

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And and you know, I don't want 
to say raising their voices 

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because, because that may sound 
like yelling, but just by people

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going to these meetings and 
showing a community presence, 

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what, what do you, what's the 
outcome that you would hope for 

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with that? 
You know what, I guess the 

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outcome I hope for is that we 
have agreement, you know, that 

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the town board people can, you 
know, unite and finally say 

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you're right, enough is enough. 
It's about time that we listen 

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to the community and thank you 
community members for bringing 

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this to our attention. 
You know, I, I wasn't sure where

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to start. 
So I started as just throwing 

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this out there on Facebook and 
Instagram and now I have over 

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1500 pledge signatures. 
I have people out there walking 

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door to door getting signatures.
Again, it's just all about 

448
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awareness and and really letting
our counties know that, you 

449
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,760
know, at this point I don't want
to stop. 

450
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,280
I don't think you know that we 
as residents here should stop 

451
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:41,240
until we finally have a safe 
place for these animals. 

452
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,680
I'm. 
Glad you brought up the 

453
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,600
petition. 
So it, if you're listening or 

454
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,800
watching, you know we're going 
to include a link to the 

455
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,800
petition in the show notes, 
whether it's on YouTube or Apple

456
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,560
or Spotify. 
How many? 

457
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,680
So you have 1500 signatures on 
it right now. 

458
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,720
How many signatures do you need 
do you think? 

459
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,600
I don't know. 
I you know, I really don't know.

460
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,200
Like what does how many 
signatures does it take before 

461
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,560
somebody listens to you, a 
politician listens to you, you 

462
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,440
know, or it hits the right 
person, sparks the right 

463
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,360
conversation with somebody to 
say, let's blow this up like 

464
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,480
we're done. 
I didn't know this. 

465
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,040
So let's take this down to 
Albany. 

466
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:31,000
And, you know, I, I sign, I 
submitted my petition to Kathy 

467
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,160
Hochul. 
Didn't hear anything back. 

468
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,040
You know, I'm hoping that 
eventually, if we keep on 

469
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:43,360
growing this number, that we 
will become so many voices for 

470
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:49,040
these voiceless creatures. 
I hate to, you know, use that 

471
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,000
common term, but they are 
voiceless and they're, they're 

472
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,920
innocent. 
But I'm hoping at some point 

473
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,480
there are enough other voices 
besides my own. 

474
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,600
When I've had phone calls with 
directly with the 

475
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:11,480
administrators, you know, the 
county board member members, 

476
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,200
it's it, you know, they don't 
want to hear what I have to say.

477
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,640
And I, I don't want it to be 
like that anymore. 

478
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,720
I don't want it to be well, 
Doctor Herring. 

479
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,240
She's complaining. 
She wants a shelter. 

480
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,520
I don't want anything. 
This isn't for me. 

481
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,960
This isn't about me. 
I, you know, I'm a vet, I'm a 

482
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,160
mother. 
I have like so much going on in 

483
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,800
my life. 
It's just this is my passion. 

484
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,840
And right now I feel like it 
needs to be something that I try

485
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:46,120
to see through to the end with, 
you know, the outcome being so 

486
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:52,440
amazing for the community where 
it'll be a safer environment, 

487
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,480
where law enforcement feels that
they actually have a place to 

488
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:01,560
turn. 
My son is a canine sheriff and 

489
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,640
he, he's spoken to me a number 
of times about, you know, his 

490
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,560
frustration. 
But they can't, you know, speak 

491
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,360
up for fear of you know what, 
what may come of it. 

492
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:19,440
I guess politically. 
So it's going to take us as you 

493
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,480
know, the common folk, if you 
will, taxpayers, you know, our 

494
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,480
voices deserve to be heard and 
we we need to be there for the 

495
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,360
animals to be able to speak for 
them. 

496
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:37,080
So it's, it sounds to me like, 
you know, you're kind of a 

497
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,560
single voice yelling into 
oblivion here, right into the. 

498
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:47,120
Yeah, yeah. 
And, and it's just surprising 

499
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,400
that, you know, I guess I, we 
obviously we can't put words in 

500
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,440
the mouths of the Board of 
Supervisors or whoever it is 

501
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,000
that you're getting in front of,
but I just, I find it hard to 

502
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,120
believe that they wouldn't want 
to help or solve this problem. 

503
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,440
Do you know, like, are there 
like, are there reasons given as

504
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,120
to far as, as why like it's not 
a priority for them to have an 

505
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,120
animal shelter in Warren or 
Washington County? 

506
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,800
The reason is always financial. 
It's always financial and that's

507
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,920
the only reason they give. 
And that's not a sound or valid 

508
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,720
reason. 
That's not a good, good enough 

509
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:28,800
reason because again, there are 
ways for the county to have 

510
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,560
support from the federal state 
level. 

511
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:38,440
So I, I really don't think 
that's a satisfactory excuse for

512
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,920
them anymore. 
And I, I find it to be a very 

513
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:46,600
sad, you know, reason And I, I 
just hope things change. 

514
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,080
I'd like to see things change 
and I'm grateful for the people 

515
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,160
that have signed the pledge so 
far who have listened to, have 

516
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:59,440
taken the time to read my posts.
I am not a political person in 

517
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,080
the, you know, this kind of 
being this voice and getting 

518
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,640
these ugly posts on my social 
media. 

519
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,000
That's not what people want to 
see. 

520
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,800
They want to see, oh, look at 
the new puppy that we have at 

521
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,840
the clinic today. 
And I know that there are risks 

522
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,560
for me to put this publish this 
stuff, but for me, the reward 

523
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:26,720
far out far exceeds, you know, 
the the concern like I am most 

524
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:30,680
importantly for me, I'm an 
animal lover and I always want 

525
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,120
to have the backs of these 
animals that don't have anybody 

526
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,200
else. 
And I just hope my clients and, 

527
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,760
you know, followers appreciate 
that and they're proving that 

528
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,880
that is true. 
Like I'm, I'm growing my 

529
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,400
community, I'm getting people 
behind me. 

530
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,000
And it's just been such an 
amazing feeling. 

531
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,880
Yeah, yeah, sometimes, sometimes
it just takes time, I guess, 

532
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,920
right. 
But unfortunately that with all 

533
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,480
the time that goes by, there's 
still animals being abused. 

534
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,840
Exactly. 
And I don't, I don't know if 

535
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,920
it's just the media landscape or
what it is, but I feel like I 

536
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,080
hear it more and more and more 
recently of case of animal 

537
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,000
abuse. 
And again, they don't often put 

538
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,920
any kind of description on what 
that abuse entails, but I do. 

539
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,040
I keep seeing it. 
Yeah, yeah. 

540
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,000
It's wild. 
Yeah, yeah, more and more for 

541
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,560
sure. 
And I just hope that, you know, 

542
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,680
all those animals that had to 
suffer, you know, at the hands 

543
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:33,480
of these, I don't, I don't know 
what type of human does this 

544
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,040
type of act, but I'll call them 
monsters because they, these 

545
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,440
poor animals are at your mercy. 
And they just want love and 

546
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,280
they're just so giving. 
But for these animals to have 

547
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,320
gone through what they have for 
me to have done necropsies on 

548
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,560
dogs that are burned to death. 
I just hope that I can try to 

549
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,880
make a difference, you know, for
all the future ones that the 

550
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:05,240
ones that have died at the hands
of this type of disgusting 

551
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,640
abuse, you know, didn't do it 
for for nothing. 

552
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,920
That there, there. 
There's a reason that we're here

553
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,800
having this conversation that 
unfortunately it took these ugly

554
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:23,880
cases to spark this conversation
and we just have to keep going 

555
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,640
with it. 
I think it's amazing what you're

556
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,320
doing. 
It's obviously needed, not just 

557
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,920
from all the things we keep 
hearing about, but just knowing 

558
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,840
that there's a, you know, look, 
no lack of support. 

559
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,960
I, I was completely in the dark 
about that until you reached out

560
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,440
to me and had no idea. 
I actually did not know there 

561
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,400
wasn't a shelter. 
I just always assumed there was 

562
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,960
one. 
I just didn't know where it was.

563
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,400
Yeah, yeah. 
And, and because I don't ever 

564
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,960
have a need for a shelter, 
right, You know, I, I just kind 

565
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:56,120
of gets filed away. 
So I it's, you know, I hope, I 

566
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,880
hope we're able to help you get 
some more attention on it 

567
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:58,680
anyway. 
Thank you. 

568
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,800
I appreciate it. 
Absolutely. 

569
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,080
And it's been it's been great to
know that there are some people 

570
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,520
that again, like yourself, you 
know, you get the awareness and 

571
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,080
it's like, OK, what are we gonna
do about this? 

572
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,080
Let's bring more awareness. 
And you know, the more one 

573
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,360
person shares it, it's just that
much of A gain that we have 

574
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,040
each, each time. 
Yeah, just keep building on it. 

575
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,600
Yeah. 
So I, we're obviously going to 

576
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,280
put, you know, like I said, 
we're going to put a link to 

577
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,560
your petition so other people 
can sign it everywhere we 

578
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,160
possibly can. 
Thank you. 

579
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,440
You're welcome. 
And but outside of that, if 

580
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,040
people want to get in touch with
you, they want to learn more 

581
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,720
about you or what you're doing 
or how to help, but how do they 

582
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:43,240
find you? 
They can e-mail me at Kyra 

583
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:49,000
Herring FPS at Gmail. 
That's my personal e-mail if 

584
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,960
they would like to do that. 
They can also go on my For Pet's

585
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:58,360
Sake Veterinary Center Facebook 
page or our Instagram, which I 

586
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:04,160
think is For Pet's Sake that, 
but they can reach out that way 

587
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,800
or by calling my office For 
Pet's Sake Veterinary Center, 

588
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,160
518-745-1177. 
OK. 

589
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,920
And then the what's the website 
for your business as well, just 

590
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:21,600
in case that's helpful. 
It would be under For Pet's Sake

591
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:27,600
Veterinary Center I. 
What is that FPS dot vet? 

592
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,720
Sure. 
Yeah, that's it. 

593
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,840
OK, perfect. 
I'm sorry. 

594
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,240
No, that's OK. 
Don't. 

595
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,160
Don't ask me anything that has 
to do with the tech stuff, media

596
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:38,840
stuff. 
That's not me. 

597
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,520
That's. 
Fine, that's fine. 

598
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,880
We'll make sure all that stuff 
is in the show notes. 

599
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,360
And thank you any help that we 
can offer Cairo, we're very 

600
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,280
happy to do. 
All right. 

601
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,320
Appreciate it so much. 
I hope you, I hope you keep at 

602
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,320
it. 
Thank you. 

603
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,880
Thank you. 
Nice to talk with you today and 

604
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,120
take good care of your puppies 
and and cats. 

605
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,000
I know. 
Oh, we do. 

606
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,360
They're pretty happy. 
They're pretty happy. 

607
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:00,960
Good.