1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,440 All right, welcome everyone to Buying Local. 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:06,680 I'm your host, Mike Nelson from 5 Towers Media, joined today by 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,720 Sarah Kelly from the Joyful Support Movement. 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,240 And we're going to be talking about all things about who she 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,520 is and what the Joyful Support Movement is. 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,600 And yeah, so Sarah, kick us off. Who? 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:19,720 Who are you? Sarah? 8 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:20,760 What? Tell us a little bit about 9 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,720 yourself. Well, I I like to push back and 10 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,280 do sort of non traditional like who am I? 11 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,560 You know how people always start off with I'm a this, I'm a that, 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,200 I do this. I like to throw out things like 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,080 I will. I live in upstate New York, but 14 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,080 I'm originally from the Midwest. But I also lived on a boat for 2 15 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,000 1/2 years, which meant I lived all over. 16 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:47,480 And let's see, I would rather spend more time outside than 17 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:50,600 inside. But my work revolves around 18 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:55,120 helping people manage their inside spaces, so I like being a 19 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,240 set of contradictions, which is kind of fun. 20 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:03,960 I say I'm equal parts practical and whimsy, so I like to be 21 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,800 practical and efficient, but I also want to inject fun and 22 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,040 levity in just about everything I do. 23 00:01:11,320 --> 00:01:13,240 I have to ask about living on the boat. 24 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,040 Was that child, was that recently? 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,560 Like when, At what point you're like did you live on a boat for 26 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,760 over 2 years? Yeah, so when I was in my 20s, I 27 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:26,400 had my first job out of college and it was a low paying entry 28 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,760 level job, but I had health insurance and I had, you know, 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,840 my first car loan. I was paying off my college. 30 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,160 And I just was looking at all these people around me who kept 31 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,760 saying when I retire, I'm going to travel. 32 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,560 And I kept thinking, well, what if you don't make it to 33 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,560 retirement for some reason? Or what if you retire and you're 34 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,240 not healthy enough to travel? And I just, all I did with my 35 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,760 time off was travel. So I learned about a friend of a 36 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,640 friend who worked on a cruise ship and I just thought if I 37 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,760 don't do this now, I don't I'm going to want to just travel for 38 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,880 the rest of my life. So I left my job that I had and 39 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,600 I sold everything except for my car. 40 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,600 And then I got a job on a cruise ship. 41 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,880 It was a domestically flagged cruise ship. 42 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,560 So we were on the East Coast and the West Coast and we did 43 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,040 Central America and Canada and yeah. 44 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,360 And then I just, there were two different ships that I bounced 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,240 around and then, and then I took a personal cruise on their 46 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,560 foreign ships and I lived, I was in South America for a month. 47 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,840 Yeah. And so after 2 1/2 years, my 48 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,640 travel itch was fully scratched. And then I was like, I'm good. 49 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:43,160 I'm I'm good. When you're on the crew, like I 50 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,280 don't know how this works so I'm just curious, but like when 51 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,520 you're working on a cruise ship, like do you basically work all 52 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,560 the time or is it like you work 8 hour shifts and then you're 53 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,720 off? Well I mean I would start off by 54 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,000 saying every company is different in how they set it up. 55 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,440 For the company I worked for you were you can officially say 56 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,040 you're on call 24/7. I mean, if it is all hands, like 57 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,440 it doesn't matter if you're supposed to be sleeping, nothing 58 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,360 matters. You get up and out. 59 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,240 They would give us one day off every two weeks. 60 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,760 And so you had that to look forward to, but you wouldn't 61 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,320 always get that. And then we had breaks off 62 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,280 depending on what your work schedule, like what your job 63 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,040 requirements were, you would have breaks in the day to maybe 64 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,960 get off. So if you were in port, you 65 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,840 could get off for two hours and I would go for a run and go to 66 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,080 the coffee shop. So I got to, I got to see a lot. 67 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,640 But yeah, it's not a nine to five. 68 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,880 You have to. It's like like if you're working 69 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,960 in the kitchen, let's just say as an example, I don't know what 70 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,840 you did on the ship, but like if you're, if you're one of the 71 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,680 kitchen crew, like you're just in the kitchen all day, every 72 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,320 day, kind of all the time is that. 73 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,480 Yes. So yes, galley staff in the 74 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,680 kitchen, in the galley. I started out as a server, which 75 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,720 meant I, well, I was a stewardess, so I served food and 76 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,280 I did housekeeping. So we'd bounce between the two 77 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,040 and then I would come back on and I worked as a deckhand for a 78 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:13,800 while. So you're all over the, you're 79 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,640 in every part of the ship for that. 80 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,480 And then I also did work in the gallery. 81 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:24,960 I did scullery, I washed dishes, yes, and that was always in the 82 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,720 washing area. So yeah, it just depends on what 83 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,240 your job requirements were and where you were. 84 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,440 Well, thank you for letting me go down that little rabbit trail 85 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,400 there. I just always, so you said it, I 86 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,960 was like, oh, I'm, I'm just curious of what that life looks 87 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,840 like for people. But but that's not what we're 88 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:43,760 here to talk about. We're here to talk about joyful 89 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,560 support movement. So why don't we just kind of 90 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,440 start off by giving an overview as to what it is and what you 91 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:52,800 guys are doing? Yeah. 92 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,960 So at its core, joyful support is 3 steps. 93 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:01,080 And these three steps are a tool to use to manage getting through 94 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:06,200 life, to make life more approachable, easier to just to 95 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,720 just help yourself through the day. 96 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,680 And at its core, the three steps are acknowledging your story, 97 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,520 what's going on in your life, and then what's a joy that's 98 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,120 going on? It can't, it can be completely 99 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,040 unrelated to your story. They don't have to be connected. 100 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,600 And then finding a step that you can take. 101 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,440 And again, these three, these doesn't have to be connected, 102 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,360 but taking a step, whether it's physically taking a step and 103 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,120 just going for a walk or deciding on a step you're going 104 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,400 to take to help with your situation. 105 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,160 And these are three steps that you can do by yourself or with 106 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,760 others. But what my partner and I did 107 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,840 was we created the three steps and then we created a whole 108 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:49,520 virtual platform to help bring these steps to life. 109 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:55,280 So we have three podcasts, each podcast focus on each step. 110 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,560 And then we have courses that help with different aspects of 111 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,880 the step. And they're just, they're tools 112 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,880 that you can use if you need, if you need a little bit more 113 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,760 guidance or support. And then we have an online 114 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:13,080 village where you can come and the tagline is just show up and 115 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,120 give what you can and take what you need. 116 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,440 So if you're in a position to give support, and this doesn't 117 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,160 mean financial support, it doesn't mean saying you'll show 118 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:23,640 up and help clean your neighbor's house. 119 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,640 It just means if you can show up and hear somebody's story and 120 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,640 just say, I see you. I see you, like validate other 121 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,920 people's experiences, it just kind of brings that connection 122 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,000 and humanity back. I think we used to get a lot of 123 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,040 this. Some people get it with their 124 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,400 families, which is great, but some people don't get this with 125 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,280 their families. They don't have any place to 126 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:47,600 turn and ask, hey, how often should I be washing my sheets? 127 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,360 Some people don't know that, right? 128 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,520 So what it? So we created the safe space 129 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,720 where you can come and ask questions or if you're feeling 130 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,840 overwhelmed, you can come and show up and talk about that. 131 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:01,360 And there's no judgment and there's no shame. 132 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:06,320 It's it's just that supportive space that we all deserve but we 133 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,960 don't all have in our life. Now I know I kind of have the 134 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,440 benefit of some of our other conversations that give me, you 135 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,440 know, kind of the inside baseball, so to speak on on on 136 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,600 JSM. But what for people that are are 137 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,840 hearing you talk about it? You know, it sounds a little one 138 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,640 part life hack, one part like emotional support. 139 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,600 Can you, can you kind of give me an idea or give our listeners an 140 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,240 idea as far as who are the types of folks or the kinds of people 141 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,240 that might get some benefit out of it or you know, what might be 142 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,080 some indicators for someone listening that they might get 143 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,280 some value out of what you guys are offering? 144 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,240 Yes. Well, at its core, everyone 145 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,520 deserves support, but everyone is a very broad net, right? 146 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,160 So we like to think my business partner and I, we are, we do 147 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,600 both happen to be busy working moms and my business partner 148 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,800 also has a chronic illness, so she's had to adapt to some new 149 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,360 life experiences. So off the bat, her and I 150 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,280 immediately connect with women who maybe have a lot on their 151 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:24,000 plate and they either feel ashamed that they can't handle 152 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,320 it all. And I'm here to tell you, you 153 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,840 don't have to handle it all. It's way too much. 154 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,200 It's just way too much. But people who feel like there's 155 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,440 so much to do, I don't know where to turn. 156 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,960 I feel overwhelmed. You know, I want to do things 157 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,640 differently, but I don't even know how to start. 158 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:48,160 Like, where do the person who's asking where do I show up and 159 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:53,080 show that I'm vulnerable and show that I need help and know 160 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,240 that I will be embraced in a safe space. 161 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,440 So if somebody hears that description and they immediately 162 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,160 crumple into tears, 'cause they're like, yes, that's what 163 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,000 I'm missing. Then those are our, that's our 164 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,720 audience. That that would be the person 165 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,040 who would get the most out of our community. 166 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,600 OK, So, you know, with those people in mind, let's kind of 167 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,160 start with the village and then we'll talk about the courses and 168 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,560 then we'll kind of lead into the podcasts. 169 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:26,800 So when we talk about the village specifically, how does 170 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,360 the village help support those folks? 171 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,760 Those women that you're talking about, They're overwhelmed. 172 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,880 They're looking for answers, looking for help, or maybe just 173 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,760 looking for, you know, someone to talk to you. 174 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:42,120 That is low risk, right? Someone that's not going to bite 175 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,360 back at them. Or you know what? 176 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,760 How does the village? How does it do what it does? 177 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:49,880 Yes. So when I first envisioned the 178 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:54,400 village, I was, I was coming off of a place of when you show up 179 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,440 in social media. And I mean nothing wrong with 180 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,600 social media. It's just I sometimes when you 181 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,760 show up and you share whatever's going on, whether it's positive 182 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,600 news or frustrating news, sometimes you get people who are 183 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,640 having a bad day or maybe a bad decade, I don't know. 184 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,400 But sometimes they show up and, you know, people lovingly call 185 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,920 them the trolls. And that's fine. 186 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:23,400 We all have bad days, I get it. But it's a real bummer when you 187 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,840 show up and ask a genuine question or share some genuine 188 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,200 good news and somebody shows up and decides to just, you know, 189 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,720 pee in your Cheerios. You know, it's so when I first 190 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,440 pictured the village, I pictured, imagine if you could 191 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,440 show up and meet amazing like minded people, but you put up 192 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,120 this little safety wall that the trolls aren't going to climb 193 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,720 over. And if they do, we have these 194 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:51,280 safe rules in place, which is basically like be kind, like be 195 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,360 cool man. It's OK to have a bad day, but 196 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,400 just don't spew it on the other people here, right? 197 00:10:57,680 --> 00:10:59,520 So there's some safety guidelines. 198 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:04,600 So when the village came together, that was our vision 199 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,200 that you can have that safe space and show up. 200 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,440 And I love to use the example of I went on, I went on, gosh, I 201 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,600 don't know if I should say the name of which app it was, but I 202 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,960 went on an app and I posted, hey, I keep trying to use my 203 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,960 rice cooker, but it keeps overflowing and getting a mess 204 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,120 on to the countertop. You know, I used to do it in a 205 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,120 pot, but I got the rice cooker because I thought it would be 206 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,160 cleaner. What am I doing wrong? 207 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,640 I got a lot of great answers. And I learned so much about 208 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,920 cooking rice that I didn't know. I didn't know. 209 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:37,600 But I always remember this one person came on and said, Oh my 210 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,400 gosh, I can't believe you're allowed to be an adult. 211 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,040 How have you not burned your kitchen down by now? 212 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:48,520 And I was like, man, I just didn't need that today, right? 213 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,600 And like, this is where we talk about with joyful support, the 214 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,160 joy ripple. Like that person's ripple kind 215 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,040 of caught me on a bad day. And then I take that negativity 216 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,360 and I turn around to my family and I have this like, somebody 217 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,360 totally slammed me for making a mess when I cook rice, you know? 218 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,040 So it's, it's that kind of stuff where like, what if you can show 219 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,400 up and ask these questions and know that you're not going to 220 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:17,240 get any guff from anybody. So that's the primary point of 221 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,640 the village is to have that safe space to show up. 222 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,560 No shame, no judgement. And then it also serves as a 223 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:29,280 platform, the three steps that I mentioned that you can show up 224 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,280 and share your three steps. Sometimes people just want to be 225 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,040 heard. Sometimes we just want somebody 226 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,720 to see and validate our experience. 227 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,440 So when you come in the village, you have the option of sharing 228 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,120 your steps. And I do it all the time. 229 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:51,120 And it feels so good somehow just going out there and saying 230 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,880 this is my story, this is what's happening, this is my joy, this 231 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,560 is my step. It helps it so it doesn't get 232 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:02,520 stuck inside of me and I can just put it out there and I know 233 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,000 that the people reading it are seeing me and what I'm going 234 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,520 through. So it serves for that. 235 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,720 And then it also serves as where our courses live. 236 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,600 So if somebody wanted to do one of our courses and they had 237 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,480 questions or they just wanted to go through it with a cohort, we 238 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,240 can do a guided cohort for the courses together. 239 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,560 And. Well, first of all, I just want 240 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:29,880 to say absolutely on the social media stuff, it's terrible. 241 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,640 Like people are asking legit, like this is what you said, 242 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,000 right? I, I see it so often where 243 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,000 someone's just asking a legit question. 244 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,360 They they're looking for an answer and they're looking for 245 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,480 people that maybe have life experience and that can give 246 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,080 them an actual answer on it. And there's always people. 247 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,720 It's just a dogpile, right? They just start and then once 248 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,800 one person does it, then another person's doing it or they start 249 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,040 a mini argument inside of the comments. 250 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,440 You know, you watch that happen where it's just two or three 251 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,480 people going back and and it's like, Oh my God, I just had the 252 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,360 question about a rice cook, right? 253 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,360 A wild thing. I know. 254 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,800 I've actually had to recently take myself off of most social 255 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,840 media channels. I'm only on one right now and I 256 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,720 think I'm about to get off of that one for a while because 257 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,920 it's just every single thing I read is just negative toxic. 258 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,560 It's not constructive, it's not helpful, It's not what I'm there 259 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:19,440 for. And then you get sucked into it 260 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:20,920 too. I find myself doing it where all 261 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,800 of a sudden I'm like chiming in on a post or I like start to and 262 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,200 I'm like, what am I doing back out of the post? 263 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,720 Like, I don't, I don't need to get involved in this 264 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,920 conversation, but it's supposed to suck you in, you know, it's. 265 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,040 Pretty. And that's and that to your 266 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,640 point, that's what happened was it was I wanted to connect with 267 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,320 people. I enjoyed these social media 268 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,480 apps, but I realized more and more I was walking away feeling 269 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,800 crappier than when I got on. And I was like, I don't have 270 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,240 time for this. I do not have space in my life 271 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:52,560 to give any of my emotional energy to feeling bad. 272 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,640 And so again, it's it's when I go into this village, think of 273 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,360 this virtual village that's always in your pocket. 274 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,640 It's with you 24/7. And I know when I log in, it's 275 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:08,280 that positive feedback loop. I know that the people inside of 276 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,800 there are going to be kind of me and I'm going to be kind of 277 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,520 them. And it just, I can feel relaxed 278 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,880 when I go in there. And so honestly, I created what 279 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,360 I wanted and then we're just hoping to share it with other 280 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,360 people. That's how it all happens, 281 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:23,760 right? That's you. 282 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,320 You were looking for something and it wasn't out there and so 283 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,240 you created that's market opportunity, right? 284 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:29,960 Yes. Amazing. 285 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,320 So you mentioned the courses before and I didn't want to 286 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,720 deviate from that 'cause I was like a perfect segue into 287 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,360 talking about the courses. What, what are the like? 288 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,240 What types of courses are we talking about? 289 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,160 Well, I'm going to back up to our my origin story a little 290 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,720 bit, which is my background is in home management, which is 291 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,600 helping people figure out ways to manage their homes easier so 292 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,600 you have more time for the things you want to do. 293 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,240 So for instance, if you haven't figured out a laundry system 294 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,360 that works for you, like let's look at it and let's create a 295 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,080 unique solution. So I was working with clients 296 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,360 one-on-one and I realized I was saying a lot of the thing, the 297 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,920 same things over and over. And I, I feel I'm sort of a 298 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,000 natural teacher at heart. So I just had this natural like, 299 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,600 oh, I can take a lot of these similar principles and put them 300 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,640 into an online course. And that way there's no price 301 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,800 barrier if somebody can't work with me or they can access it at 302 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,720 their own time. And so my first step was 10 303 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,840 steps to meal planning freedom, which is all about if you're, if 304 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,360 you're cooking for yourself or for a whole group of people and 305 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,600 you are banging your head against the wall every day 306 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,400 going, what am I making today? And you just it's draining your 307 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,280 cup all the time. This is this like really short 308 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,800 system to create a plan that will be easier for you in the 309 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,960 long run. So that was my first course and 310 00:16:54,960 --> 00:17:00,120 then I went to put it together and visual, visual stuff on the 311 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,760 computer. It, it's just not my strong 312 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,560 suit. And so that was when I was 313 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,960 connected with my business partner Laci at the time. 314 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,839 And that is what she went to college. 315 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:14,480 One of her master's degree is in, I don't know, I always 316 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,440 forget what it's called, but it's visual information. 317 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:21,400 And she helped me put, she helped me put that first course 318 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,560 together. And then my next course was all 319 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,599 about home management principles. 320 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,200 If nobody's ever taught you, which is fine, like we're all 321 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,960 taught to drive a car, you have to take a test, right? 322 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,600 But nobody teaches us how to manage a home, right? 323 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,320 So where are you going to learn? A lot of these magazines have 324 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,520 these really high standards that you're like, I don't have time 325 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,240 for that Martha Stewart, No shame if you're Martha Stewart 326 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,880 or that's what you do. But we don't all have that kind 327 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,600 of bandwidth. So my next course was, how do 328 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,880 you manage your home? And I created these basic 329 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,040 principles and you take what works. 330 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,160 It's not telling you that you have to do it a certain way. 331 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,680 It's just this is what I end up telling my clients. 332 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,600 And then and then Laci helped me create that one. 333 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,800 And then she got so excited about that course that she was 334 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,000 like, OK, we have to do something more together. 335 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,040 So we have a couple home management courses. 336 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,120 The meal planning course is actually a free one that you can 337 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,840 get access to. And then I have a whole dream 338 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,120 list of more courses to do. But I'm I'm sitting on my hands 339 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,800 because we've we've got to do some other things before I just 340 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,080 go off on creating more and more courses. 341 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,360 Yeah, it's interesting when you talk about home management, 342 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:43,880 because to be fair, I hadn't even considered that a thing, 343 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,080 right. And I and I, and I say that 344 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:52,160 because like, you know, we, I, you know, I've grown up, right? 345 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,080 We had home EC in school, right? Like, like I'm that old, OK, So 346 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,560 like when we but it was like just a kind of glance at some of 347 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:00,840 the stuff that you're talking about. 348 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,560 And I think that we, I think people don't realize that there 349 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,760 is just like running a business or doing anything that if you 350 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,840 can develop systems and you can develop a process for how you're 351 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,960 doing it, it makes it super efficient and can make it easier 352 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:21,600 and not so soul sucking to have to do all the stuff that you 353 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,520 have to do for your house every day, right on top of everything 354 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:30,360 else. Your home is where you go to 355 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:35,800 restore yourself, to rest, to eat, to get clean clothes, to 356 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,160 relax. But if you come into your home 357 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:44,760 and you are frustrated about all of those things, then you're not 358 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:49,040 restoring yourself. And so by and we always say we 359 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,080 do not care how your home looks, we care how your home feels. 360 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,720 So if you can come in and you can make food efficiently, if 361 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,840 you can get your clean clothes, if you can relax the way you 362 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,240 want to relax or host events or just grab your hiking gear to go 363 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,240 out on a hike. If you can do all of that 364 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:10,720 easier, then you have more in your own personal cup to then 365 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,120 show up in the world as your best self, right. 366 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,800 So yeah, the whole home management thing. 367 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,840 I'm really excited because I think my generation, it was 368 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,280 still very much on the female shoulders. 369 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,920 Like if you brought up anything that had to do with vacuuming or 370 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,000 laundry or cooking, there was such a female connotation with 371 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,160 that. But we're really getting to a 372 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,600 gender neutral stage with that. I mean, come on. 373 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,120 Like, we all need to know how to do this stuff. 374 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,480 Yeah. There is no gender involved in 375 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,200 washing a dish. There just isn't. 376 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:48,080 So I'm really excited to start talking about all this stuff in 377 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,440 a very, like, neutral way that applies to everyone. 378 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,160 And my other course is home management for kids. 379 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,080 How do you teach your kids this stuff in a way that doesn't 380 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,720 leave you guys screaming at one another or somebody crying? 381 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,560 How do you teach your kids to move out one day into a dorm or 382 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,160 an apartment or a house or a ship, possibly a ship? 383 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,120 How do you teach them to know how to do this stuff easily? 384 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:19,600 And so I created a course that addresses that. 385 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,800 And I'm super excited cause so many parents just end up in 386 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,160 fights with their kids. And they say either I'm just 387 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,440 going to do it. So then your kid learns nothing 388 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,320 or you just keep yelling at your kid for not doing it right. 389 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,720 When in reality, it's that they haven't been able to receive the 390 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,160 information in a way that makes sense to them. 391 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,760 So it's it's like a puzzle or a Riddle, and I love figuring that 392 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,000 out. Yeah, well, and I think, I 393 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,360 believe anyway, that I, I read somewhere probably like Doctor 394 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:54,080 Spock's parenting or something along those lines, you know, but 395 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,520 where it was talking about giving kids structure, which 396 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,760 essentially that's what a process or a system is, right? 397 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,800 That's a set of rules on how to do something, a structure that's 398 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,240 in place that essentially makes it as efficient as possible, 399 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,920 right. And it's, it's funny, 'cause as 400 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,080 you're talking about it, I'm thinking about my youngest, 401 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,720 although all my kids are slobs, but my youngest who is 5. 402 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,720 And I'm trying to work with him on like, you know, cleaning up 403 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,840 your room and not making a mess every single time you eat and 404 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,440 all these different things. And I hadn't really thought 405 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,520 about the fact that if I put some sort of structure in place 406 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,680 around those things to help him understand like a system of some 407 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,520 sort, not that it's going to be perfect or right, but be better 408 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,600 than the chaos it is right now. It's fascinating. 409 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:39,640 I think I'm going to have to do that. 410 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,120 Course, Sarah, that's. Absolutely. 411 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:45,360 I I absolutely love the course. We've gotten so much positive 412 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:49,800 feedback. And I know for myself, I would 413 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,680 have benefited from it a lot. And so it's so it's great to be 414 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,280 able to, like I said before, the village, like I'm creating what 415 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,920 I wish existed when I got married and started running my 416 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:01,720 own home. Like these are the things I wish 417 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,680 I knew. So yeah, it's really, it feels 418 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,600 really good to be able to provide something that is useful 419 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,240 and beneficial to other people. Why? 420 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,320 And I know that I you've told me this, but tell me again why it's 421 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,400 called the Village? Because we're all promised a 422 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,560 village. And again, this is kind of aging 423 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,760 me too, with that. It takes a village. 424 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,000 Yeah, it sure does. But where is it? 425 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:31,720 We're all sort of promised this, this village and just the way 426 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,120 our society is now, people move around more. 427 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:37,040 We're not necessarily living next to our family of origin. 428 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,800 We're way more mobile. And it's just that like, well, 429 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,800 where's your village? And it's just like, hey, here's 430 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,800 this virtual village where you can ask whatever you need to 431 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,720 ask, see, be seen, be validated. And so that's, yeah. 432 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,840 So it's so funny. I'm like, wow, we never even 433 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,560 really had a discussion. It was just always the village. 434 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,760 And I guess that would be the reason. 435 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,040 Yeah, You know, it's interesting. 436 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,120 We're more connected than we've ever been. 437 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:05,680 The population is as high as it's ever been. 438 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,640 But like, most people I talked to are looking for community, 439 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,920 like they're looking for a place to connect with. 440 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,440 It's the wildest thing. We're so heavily connected, but 441 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,520 at the same time, everyone is feeling so disconnected. 442 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,120 And I, I think about a couple of my friends specifically that, 443 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,120 you know, in a conversation a couple years ago where it was 444 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:29,480 like, you know, we're just trying to find our community. 445 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,840 And it's like we're trying to find the people that are into 446 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,120 the same things that we can have conversations with. 447 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,640 You know, we like the same kind of stuff. 448 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,880 And it's, it's such a wild thing that there's more people, 449 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,120 there's more ways to be connected, but we're so much 450 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:42,400 more disconnected than we ever been. 451 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,920 It's it's pretty wild. Well, yeah. 452 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,000 And that's, it's almost there. There's too many options, right? 453 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,240 Like, I remember when I was young, there were two brands of 454 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,120 ketchup. There was a store brand and then 455 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:56,440 there was, you know, Heinz and then now it's there's 30 brands 456 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,800 of ketchup just in your local grocery store and it's almost 457 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,680 paralysis by, you know, there's too many. 458 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,040 And so I think to your point, I think connecting you had school, 459 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,800 you had church, you had your job, you know, right, there were 460 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,320 like very few things and you could, there were very few 461 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,040 activity. It felt like there weren't as 462 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,160 many options. And now it's almost like 463 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,880 diffuse, right? There's like so many choices. 464 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,960 But yes, that is, again, we're trying to provide that safe 465 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,520 space, especially for women who may not have time to go 466 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,600 someplace and show up in person. Although I am going to have an 467 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,400 in person event in January, which I'm very excited about. 468 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,480 But yeah, if you if you wanted that connection to be a little 469 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,840 honest and vulnerable, it's it is a safe place to show up and 470 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,480 do that. Tell me a little bit about the 471 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,120 in person thing that you've got coming up. 472 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,400 Is that is that in the books official? 473 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:59,320 Well, the more I talk about it, the more it is I have a place, I 474 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,960 have a framework, yes. So again, going back to the 475 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:08,720 three steps of joyful support, it's creating a safe place where 476 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,280 we can meet in person and show up and do the three steps 477 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,680 together. And if you want to show up and 478 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,520 just listen, but just be around like minded people or if you 479 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,400 want to share, But it's just that safe place. 480 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:28,520 And I liken it to a a for a very specific reason, which is 6 481 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,680 years ago, I lost my mom suddenly and not proud, but I 482 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,600 was abusing alcohol at the time. It was, it was really tough. 483 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,000 And I kept thinking like, I don't know, like, do I have a 484 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,040 drinking problem? Am I an alcoholic? 485 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,520 What do I do? Where do I go? 486 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,760 Who do I talk to? And so I kept researching a, a 487 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,520 meetings and I just had this thought of like, wouldn't it 488 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:55,360 just be so nice to know I could show up at this place as a 489 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,240 stranger and I could just show up and I could just share what's 490 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,760 going on And like the culture of the environment is that they're 491 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,840 going to listen to me and just hear me and not judge me. 492 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,600 And I just thought, Oh my gosh, that's so beautiful. 493 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,720 And I, I did get to a point where I realized it, you know, 494 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,400 I'm not an alcoholic. It was, it was something I was 495 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,840 able to get under control. But I, I liken it to that. 496 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,080 It is this room. You can show up and you can say 497 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,320 whatever's going on and you're not going to be judged and 498 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,080 you're going to be heard and you're just going to be seen and 499 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,280 validated. And it's going to have just like 500 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,320 an, A, a meeting, it's going to have those safe rules of sharing 501 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,360 of, you know, not giving unsolicited advice, you know, 502 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:45,960 keeping it safe within the room. So I just for me, again, going 503 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,960 back to what would feel good to me is if I could show up once a 504 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,600 week and just know that I can sit still and just commune with 505 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,880 other people and just listen. That's that's what the in person 506 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,080 events going to be. And then we also have online 507 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,840 ones where we can do it over Zoom for people who either can't 508 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,240 leave their house or, you know, don't live, don't live nearby to 509 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,880 others to do this. So the in person event will be 510 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,720 in January. I will be having more 511 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,600 information where people can sign up and get the details and 512 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,440 be held accountable for showing up. 513 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,840 So yeah, there will be more, more details coming in December. 514 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,440 Yes, December. December. 515 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,920 OK, perfect. Well, stay tuned everyone. 516 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:37,080 Yes. So before we, I know we're gonna 517 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,960 talk about the podcast, but before we leave the courses and 518 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,600 then we kind of jumped around a little bit there. 519 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,800 You've got the home management course, the home management for 520 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,400 kids, just those two courses or did I miss another one or there 521 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:57,000 more? There are more and it's I've 522 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,040 been we've been creating so much that I'm actually trying to 523 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,560 remember what all is on the website right now. 524 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,760 The ones that I've dreamed of making, the ones that I are 525 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,400 actually out there and published. 526 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,480 I'm, I'm, I'm going to just own that. 527 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,600 I don't know how many courses are in the village right now. 528 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,960 That's. OK, I but it's not just those 529 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,880 two, I guess that is. The no SO and the reason I'm 530 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,480 hesitating is because some of them are free if you sign up to 531 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,880 be a friend of the village which it doesn't cost anything. 532 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,680 We have free courses available. One is joy mapping, which has to 533 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,160 do with if, if you're not sure that you're having any joy in 534 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,160 your life, it walks you through how do you find these little 535 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,600 moments of joy? And remember, joy isn't big. 536 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,040 It's not winning the lottery or going to Disneyland. 537 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:53,480 Joy is little like touching a tree or petting a dog or having 538 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,760 a cup of tea. So there's a worksheet that 539 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,880 helps you do that. And that's, that's a free one. 540 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,360 Yes. And then the two home management 541 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,600 ones and the meal planning one, which the meal planning one is 542 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,040 free if you sign up to be a friend. 543 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,320 OK, OK, so let's talk about your podcast. 544 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,320 Yes. Which is, and obviously we're on 545 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,640 a podcast. I know we've talked about it. 546 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,160 You love podcasting. I I love talking, talking to 547 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,080 people and learning about who they are and what they're doing. 548 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,640 And so tell us about you have three podcasts. 549 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,000 They line up with each one of the steps. 550 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,080 Yes. So tell us, what's the the first 551 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,120 step again is. The first step is sharing your 552 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,800 story. So when I met Lacey, she already 553 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,200 had a podcast called Sharing the Middle. 554 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:46,200 So when we met, she she developed a chronic illness in 555 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,480 later in life. And so she all of a sudden she 556 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,120 was in this situation that was brand new to her. 557 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,560 And she, one of the steps she did for herself to process it 558 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,240 was to talk with other people who are in the middle of 559 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,360 uncomfortable situations and how do people feel about being in 560 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,000 the middle of something? And so she already had her 561 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,720 podcast. And then I'd always dreamed of 562 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,640 having a podcast about home management, but just didn't have 563 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,600 the tech skill set. And so when we met, and I told 564 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,920 her that we started our podcast, which previously was called No 565 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,080 Shame in the Home Game. But we realized that we want to 566 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,680 help people take steps in all areas of their life, not just 567 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,840 their home. So it's now No Shame in our 568 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,440 game. And so we've we've just 569 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,880 broadened the umbrella of what we talk about and we do Q&A so 570 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,520 people can submit questions. Harken back to my how do I use a 571 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,120 rice cooker without making a mess? 572 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,320 Like you can ask that question. You could, I mean, you can, you 573 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,200 can ask, it doesn't have to be related to home management and 574 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,880 we'll, we'll give you some great options. 575 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,600 Again, we're never telling you what to do, but we're just 576 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,880 giving suggestions and resources and then we bring on experts in 577 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,120 different areas to talk about. So I'm thinking back to some of 578 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,120 our experts. We had one on who was a 579 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,000 functional nutritionist and we talked about how do you make 580 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,640 healthy food if you have no idea where to start? 581 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,720 And so we talked about the importance of healthy food and 582 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,960 where to start and where to get more information. 583 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,720 We brought on, we've had a life coach on. 584 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,360 We've had, gosh, now I'm forgetting all of our experts. 585 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,400 My, my cup has overflowed with information. 586 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,560 Oh no, listen, I get it. I run it into it. 587 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,720 We have our our other podcast, blue collar startup and Derek, 588 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,760 who's the visionary behind the whole podcast and, and him and I 589 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:45,080 host the show together and he is like so good at like remembering 590 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,600 people that came on the show, what episode they came on, like 591 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:49,880 all the, and I'm just looking at him. 592 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,760 I'm like, Oh my God, I'm like, I don't know, I, I, I remember 593 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,640 conversations. I'm like, but he can tell me all 594 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,200 these details. I'm like, man, I don't know how 595 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,000 you keep all that information in your brain, man. 596 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,360 It's just, it's a lot. It's hard to keep it all 597 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,120 straight. Well, I used to be. 598 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,880 I used to be a. Lot better, but we're filming 599 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,400 right before Thanksgiving and I've got 1 foot into 600 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,760 Thanksgiving land and one foot in work. 601 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,640 So I think, I think my brains doing a little back and forth. 602 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,560 But so we, we bring on experts and we have some experts lined 603 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,240 up to come on in the future. And again, it's just talking 604 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,560 about healthy steps that you can take in all areas of your life 605 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,520 and making it approachable and doable. 606 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,080 And so that's no shame in our game. 607 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,760 And then our third podcast, which I was actually just 608 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,040 listening today and it made me so happy because I'd forgotten, 609 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,120 I'd actually forgotten most of what we talked about, but it's 610 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:48,240 called joy moments. And So what we do is we share 611 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:54,120 joy moments from people as a way of helping that joy ripple carry 612 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,560 on. So if something, if something 613 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,280 makes you happy and then we share it and then it's like you 614 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,320 get to hear it again and then somebody else hears it, it might 615 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,520 make them happy. And then so it's just it's 616 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,480 captivating. It's capturing that happy moment 617 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,440 or something that brought you. And what we've learned is that 618 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,480 joy, that term joy doesn't resonate with everybody. 619 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,520 It's something that made you smile, something that just, you 620 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,760 know, felt good for a moment. Maybe it made you laugh, you 621 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,040 know, anything that just felt good. 622 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,480 And what was that joy? This one today that I listened 623 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:33,040 to was all about pets and it I had my neighbor had horses show 624 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,560 up in her yard one morning. And so I guess it was just, it 625 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,159 was all about different animals and different funny stories 626 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,280 about animals. But yeah, so that one's fun. 627 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,360 It's just like a little 15 minute brightener for anybody's 628 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,040 day to listen to other people's joy stories. 629 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,600 I I'm curious, 'cause you said it and I'm thinking in my head 630 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,160 about the word joy and you're saying about how does it 631 00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,880 resonate with some people and that. 632 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,560 And so of course, I'm like, well, why? 633 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,080 Why does the word joy not resonate with people? 634 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,160 Do you have any insight into that? 635 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,960 I'm just curious. Yeah, well, I've learned a lot 636 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,760 from Laci. 'Cause she was a communications 637 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,560 major. And so there is just, you know, 638 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,400 there's connotations with how it was used growing up. 639 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:20,160 There's a lot of reasons as to why. 640 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,720 But yeah, we had her husband on as a guest and she said, you 641 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,280 know, honey, can you share your joy moments? 642 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,120 And he's like, I don't have any joy moments. 643 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,240 And she goes, well, I know you do because every night at dinner 644 00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:35,160 as a family, we share something that was the bright spot on our 645 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,520 day. She's like, and you just shared 646 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,280 one last night and he's like, oh, well, I wouldn't call that a 647 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,000 joy moment. Right. 648 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,400 So I think there is a little bit of joy to some people might seem 649 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,440 like a really big word. It might seem bigger than what, 650 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,360 than how we're seeing it. You know, they might see that 651 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,200 as, oh, it's when you, you know, do like, I don't know, an Easter 652 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,480 egg hunt and then you fill your basket and then you got all the 653 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,720 candy. Like something like bigger, 654 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:05,480 right? Joyful, right. 655 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,640 But but we use joy and more of a, of a smaller, just like what 656 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:16,000 feels good, what fills your cup, you know, And like, I'm a big 657 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,520 bird nerd. So I often and Laci is not, not 658 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,760 an not a bird person. And so I'll often talk about 659 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,800 birds that I see out my window and she's like, man, that 660 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,280 doesn't do anything for me. But I love that that makes you 661 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,840 happy, you know, And so it's just, it's just little things 662 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,640 like that. And so we're part of our premise 663 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,800 with joyful support movement is like, we're not trying to 664 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,920 pretend that bad things don't happen. 665 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,720 We fully embrace that crap happens every day, but we're 666 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:51,080 just bringing joy to the table. Like, yes, your water heater 667 00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:55,720 maybe flooded your basement. Yep, that stuff happens. 668 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,400 And let's also talk about some joy today that happened. 669 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,960 So it's just we're trying to show both sides of the coins or 670 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,680 just kind of balance those scales for people, which I think 671 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,400 in our society we've gotten pretty heavy on leaning on the 672 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,240 like, what's going wrong side of things. 673 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,440 And we're not pretending nothing's going wrong. 674 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,480 Like we're not. We're not sticking our heads in 675 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,280 the sand. We're just, we want to bring joy 676 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,160 into the conversation where we can. 677 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,040 Yeah, it's interesting to say that. 678 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,760 Too 'cause I know, you know, I, I've certainly said out of my 679 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,680 mouth before that like if it wasn't for the challenges and 680 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,840 the obstacles that I get to overcome on a daily basis, like 681 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,320 I don't know what I would do, I would be bored. 682 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,240 And, but at the same, and I do, I love overcoming things and 683 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,240 getting past whether it's small things or big things. 684 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:52,040 And I'm sure and some subconscious way I create some 685 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,360 of those for myself. But I, you know, it's 686 00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:00,640 interesting because I think as a society on a whole, that's kind 687 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,320 of where we're at, right? We're just, we're surrounded by 688 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,160 social media and the negativity in the trolls and all that 689 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,680 stuff. And so there's and then in work 690 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,440 and, and everywhere, you're just constantly surrounded by 691 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,360 challenges and obstacles and hardship. 692 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,400 And we do, I know I do. And I was just listening to an 693 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,640 audio book yesterday that made me think about this a little 694 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,280 deeper. But it's like you forget to have 695 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,360 those moments where you take a moment of appreciation for even 696 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,800 small things or big things in your life and how good you have 697 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,760 it in so many way. Like, yeah, I got this obstacle 698 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,400 in front of me right now I'm trying to overcome. 699 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,520 But I I also have all these great things that I'm completely 700 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,680 taking for granted and ignoring them and getting them a little 701 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,960 attention, which is what it sounds like your joy moments 702 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,600 are. I imagine it's a pretty healthy 703 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,080 practice. Well, and like you said. 704 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,520 Like you face obstacles every day, right? 705 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,440 And I imagine you also have resources to help you get 706 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,600 through those obstacles, whether it's friends you can call or 707 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,080 family or, you know, something to lean on. 708 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,720 You know, but we all have those days where our friends are busy 709 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:09,280 or our friends have our own issues or our families out of 710 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,040 town. You know, it's about the the 711 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,880 village and the movement. It's about what if you need 712 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,960 somebody? What if you need some help to 713 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,920 get through that challenge? And it's not about us solving 714 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,880 the challenge for you, but it's where do you turn to We, we call 715 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,640 it self help with community support. 716 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,960 Like you're still going to help yourself. 717 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,800 You're still going to solve your problem, but the community is 718 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,920 there cheering you on, helping you navigate it, helping you 719 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,720 figure out your resources so you're not alone trying to 720 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:44,440 figure it out, feeling like you're on an island all by. 721 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,080 Yourselves, that's yeah, we're trying to be the. 722 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,840 Antithesis of that? Absolutely. 723 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,440 Well, because that's what it could. 724 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,480 Feel like sometimes to your point, right, if you don't have 725 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,320 that community, you don't have that everybody's out of town and 726 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,560 you're trying to tackle something by yourself, it feels 727 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,320 like you're on an island by yourself sometimes. 728 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,680 So yeah. And we one. 729 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,640 Of the terms that we also used for the platform is peer-to-peer 730 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,520 support, right? Like it's great to have experts, 731 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,560 to have a therapist, to have, you know, specialists. 732 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,400 But let's be honest, you might have an appointment with them 733 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,600 once a week. You know, what do you do in 734 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,040 between? You know, and like I said, if 735 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:23,800 you have that, go to friend you always call, but they're having 736 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,600 their own bad day with their own water heater, you know, and 737 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,280 that's where I found myself a going back to when I lost my 738 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,680 mom, you know, I was going to see my therapist next week. 739 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,600 And in my own life, I felt like I, I just, I felt like I 740 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,760 couldn't talk about my grief anymore with people around me, 741 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,880 my circle. I felt like I kind of run that 742 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,200 out with everyone, which is fine. 743 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,640 I mean, absolutely. But it was like, OK, what's the 744 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,440 in between? What's that backstop so I don't 745 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,320 feel alone on an island, you know? 746 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,480 So again, creating what what I needed and then hoping that it 747 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,440 helps others. Yeah, well, you have to assume. 748 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,320 Right, like if you have a problem, other people have a 749 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,720 similar problem, yes, you can't be the only person that's. 750 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:08,680 Dealing with this. Stuff. 751 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,360 But you know, there's just way too many people on the planet to 752 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,360 be the only one going through what we're going through at any 753 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,520 given moment in time, which is what we tend to think. 754 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,720 So which is? Which is how? 755 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:22,160 No. Shame in the home game started 756 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,240 because I was doing home management. 757 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,080 People would bring me in behind the door and show me what wasn't 758 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,400 working. And there was always a tinge of 759 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,160 shame and like they were sharing a dirty secret. 760 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,520 And I'm like, I have been in so many people's homes. 761 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,720 You're not the only one struggling with this. 762 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,160 Everyone's got something. Like if we all opened our doors 763 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,680 at the same time, like, we would all feel a sense of relief. 764 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,520 Like, OK, we're all dealing with something. 765 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,920 And if we stop trying to pretend like it'll actually feel a lot 766 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,200 better to just be honest and then talk with your neighbor 767 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,760 about Oh my gosh like I can't figure out how to get my kid to 768 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,000 stop wiping peanut butter hands on the stairs. 769 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,200 Like let's just talk about it and problem solve together 770 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,040 without the shame and negativity of maybe a troll who had a bad 771 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,080 day. Amazing. 772 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,720 So if people want to join the village or they want to listen 773 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:26,320 to a podcast or just learn more about everything that you guys 774 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,600 are doing, how do they find you if they go to Joyful Support? 775 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,200 Movement.com, everything is on there. 776 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,200 There is a link to all of our podcasts. 777 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,600 You can learn more about the village. 778 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,160 You can easily contact myself or Lacey. 779 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,920 So if anyone hearing this has more questions, Sarah at 780 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,800 joyfulsupportmovement.com. I love talking to people. 781 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,760 So whatever your question is, go ahead and fill my inbox. 782 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,120 But yeah, you can go to that website and get all the 783 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,400 information. If you don't see it, just send 784 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,320 me an e-mail. And then if you're interested in 785 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:07,040 the in person event, check out the buy local in December where 786 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,040 I'll be posting more information. 787 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,280 And that in person event will be in January in Saratoga Springs. 788 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,400 Very nice. And they can also find an. 789 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,840 Article that you just wrote in the current edition that will be 790 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,960 in stores. Of course, by the time this 791 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,560 comes out, it'll already be in stores. 792 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,320 But you've got real quick, give us like a 32nd plug on the 793 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,200 article that you just wrote. Oh my gosh, it's so cathartic. 794 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,440 It is about holiday easy. It is if holidays don't bring 795 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,080 you that happy feeling that you want or desire, it's how do you 796 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,920 recapture that? And so I walk through a tool 797 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,520 called good, better, best. Oh, that's another one of our 798 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,000 courses that you can. It's all about good, better, 799 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,840 best, which is just a tool for making decisions throughout the 800 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,760 holidays so that you can check in with yourself and what do you 801 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,960 have to give? And how can you show up and 802 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:04,960 still enjoy the holidays without ending up feeling like grumpy 803 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,120 and just wanting to like throw all the decorations in the trash 804 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,680 before the holidays have arrived? 805 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,760 It's news. Well, you know, I mean, I 806 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,560 listen, I, I love to cook for my family and for people, or it's 807 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,560 like an active service thing. And so like, I love the 808 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,240 holidays, the idea of being able to, you know, cook for people 809 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,040 and, and have that thing, but it ends up it can be really 810 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,880 stressful, you know, like it's a lot of work. 811 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,000 And so one of the. One of the tools that Laci just 812 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,160 made, which you can find on our website, it is about identifying 813 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,480 in the holidays. What are you looking forward to? 814 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,320 Like, what are you dreading? And then like kind of 815 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,200 reconciling like, OK, what can I do about this? 816 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,200 Like, how do I do more of what I like? 817 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,600 And then how do I kind of turn down that part that is draining 818 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,800 me? And so it's just about it's 819 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,560 about being intentional going into the holidays around those 820 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,400 items. Absolutely amazing. 821 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,480 Well, I can't wait to read it and I'm I hope everybody else 822 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,040 gets a chance to read it. So and thank you so much, Sarah, 823 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,040 for coming on the show. Oh, my son is. 824 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:13,320 It's OK. My son just got. 825 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,680 Home from school too. He's creeping in behind me here. 826 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,280 Trying to see himself on camera. So I guess that's our cute and 827 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,000 the show. Sarah, thank you so much for 828 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,320 coming on. I really appreciate the time and 829 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,080 I appreciate everything that you're delivering for us. 830 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,320 So thank you. Well, and thank you Michael for 831 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,400 giving me this. Opportunity. 832 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,680 I really appreciate you helping me get the word out. 833 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,640 Yeah. So thank you for this 834 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,280 opportunity. You're welcome. 835 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:40,400 Say hi. Thanks Sarah, have a great day. 836 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,040 And happy Thanksgiving too, by the way. 837 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,160 Yes, you too.