1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,400 And welcome back to the 128 KB Podcast. 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:06,480 We are back once again. Due to lack of popular demand. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,280 You almost forgot what it was. No, I was going to say I was 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,280 just a floating head in this video. 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,600 But you know and. Then I was thought, I can't 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,000 really make that sound funny so because, you know, I'm just a 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,120 floating head. I'm just a floating head as 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,240 well. Yeah, John Cena's behind me. 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,440 This is your weekly dose of all things gaming. 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,760 This is where we kind of unpick what's happened in the world of 11 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,640 game this week. Although to be honest, it feels 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,720 like we've done a podcast every day. 13 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,480 We pretty much have, yeah. Because it has been. 14 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,920 Let's just call it silly season for announcements. 15 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,720 It's been absolutely mental. Yeah, literally. 16 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,520 Mental like every new handheld ever has been announced, Intel 17 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,360 have entered the ring and then all of the game showcases. 18 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,040 Summer game festers Playstations play to play a little bit before 19 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,040 Xbox developer and then Nintendo. 20 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,960 Nintendo. Direct, absolutely. 21 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,560 And then following it up, there's even more stuff like X 22 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,040 like Asha Sharma's come out with a bunch of stuff and they'll 23 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,400 see. There's some some word about FSR 24 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,720 4IN handouts which is where I kind of want to start this. 25 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,520 Yeah, absolutely. But before I get to that, 26 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,240 Andrew, yes, yes. How's your week in gaming been? 27 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,000 My week in game has been really good. 28 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,520 I do want to quickly say anyone that didn't see our Nintendo 29 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,960 Direct video a couple of days ago, go check that out because 30 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:23,040 we specifically made a video about that. 31 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,240 We won't be discussing it here. So if you want to know about 32 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,160 that, go check that out. But yeah, week in game has been 33 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:28,880 good. Obviously. 34 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,920 I said last week on the podcast, well, again, we've done so many 35 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,720 podcasts, I don't even remember what it was, but the main 36 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:40,280 podcast last week I said I was getting APS 5 Pro, DHL or UPS, 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,440 whoever it was decided to lose it for several days. 38 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,600 So yeah, I had to wait until the following week, so the start of 39 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,760 this week to actually get it. I've got it really impressed 40 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,640 actually, you know, as APC gamer, I'm impressed. 41 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,200 This is like where PS Five should have launched that like 42 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,360 this is where it should have been. 43 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,000 You know, you're not compromising between graphical 44 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,800 like fidelity and performance. Whereas I the one thing I hated 45 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,000 about the PS-5 was like, you can either have nice graphics or 46 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,240 FPS. I'm like, I want both. 47 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,440 Do you know I'm coming from PC master race here? 48 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,720 Come on. Like and but like you're not. 49 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,400 Asking for everything to be 4K60 and like ray trace to beautiful 50 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,040 on a console. You just don't want it to be 51 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,120 less than 30 FPS and still be visible. 52 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because let's be frank, the PS-5 53 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,040 and those certain games, and I'm going to call the bingo card 54 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,800 straight away. Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth was an 55 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,560 absolute train wreck on PS-5. Yeah, Vaseline Central. 56 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,960 Yeah, Vaseline Central. And if you wanted it to look 57 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:45,520 remotely OK, it was it felt like I was playing like 20 FBS 25. 58 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,240 It was really as, as Mark Cerney would say, choppy. 59 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:54,840 Yes, it was awful. But you've been basically 60 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,080 sharing me like an hour by hour update on how good like PSSR is 61 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,480 and. I've just been quite shocked by 62 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,040 it because obviously when PSSR came out it had issues and I'm 63 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,320 sure it still does have issues. I've not played every game ever 64 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,040 yet, but it's a lot better now than it was when it when it came 65 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,640 out. And yeah, just playing stuff and 66 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:16,600 seeing games that are like PS-5 pro support now and playing 67 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,680 older times, like I've been playing control and stuff like 68 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,040 that. It's, it's just really good. 69 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,320 Like it's very good considering the price hikes of everything. 70 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,800 I know it's very expensive but like it's it is definitely on 71 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,120 that edge of PC Gamer could be happy with this. 72 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,040 But there's this weird thing that's happened now, like the 73 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,880 price hikes are happening everywhere where you actually, 74 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,960 there's certain things that have kind of stayed at a similar 75 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,600 price point to their launch. And you now look at them and go, 76 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,520 oh, actually that's pretty good value. 77 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,640 Consider this. I use this as an analogy all the 78 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,080 time at the at the moment Steam Deck OLED with A1 TB drive. 79 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:03,640 Yeah. Is $1000 I know PS-5 Pro is less 80 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,880 I don't know what it is in America, but in the UK it's it's 81 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:13,640 you get it for around 750 now. So actually all of that 82 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,320 criticism when it launched like oh, what discussing price, when 83 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,120 all they put the price up again, you now look at it in the 84 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,160 balance of everything else that's happening and go, is that 85 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:27,680 a sensible purchase? If you were looking at buying 86 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,080 something now, that's kind of future proof, is that sensible 87 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,760 purchase right now? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 88 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,440 And that, that's the thing, like me playing on it, I'm actually 89 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,720 really happy with it. I know I got it cheaper. 90 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:42,200 I think I got it for the last UK retailer that had it like at the 91 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,880 old price. And then the day after I bought 92 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,040 it, it went up 100 lbs. So like $150.00 increase 93 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,920 overnight, something like that. And so I'm really happy about 94 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,600 that. But just like, as you're saying, 95 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,720 like that argument of building APC of comparable performance, 96 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,040 now it is going to cost you more, like considerably more to 97 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,200 buy APC. Obviously there's pros and cons 98 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,160 because of game prices and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 99 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,120 But like you said, value wise, I'm actually saying this is 100 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,840 decent value now, especially if you look at something like their 101 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:16,120 subscription, their Game Pass thing, there's so many games on 102 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,120 there, it's ridiculous. But yeah, overall I'm pretty 103 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,280 happy that I've done this. You know, I'm not disappointed. 104 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,760 I'm having a great time. One thing I like because time is 105 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,480 limited these days, you know, so I don't have the time I used to 106 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,200 spend where I like tinkering with settings on PC. 107 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,080 Like I half my game session is just spent messing around trying 108 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,280 to get the resolution and game settings right to where I'm 109 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:41,560 happy because I'm so anal about it and focused. 110 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,280 You know, I'm like, I really need this to be good that then 111 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:45,920 I've wasted half my play session. 112 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,440 Whereas with PS-5 Pro, I've just been like pressing the button. 113 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,800 I don't even have to like go through windows or anything. 114 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,880 It's just on T VS overridden. I press the game, I'm playing 115 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,480 the game and I've, I've gained another hour of play time 116 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,200 because I'm not messing around. Do you know what I mean? 117 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,120 So it's, it's quite nice to just be like, you know what, I'm 118 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,080 actually playing a game right now. 119 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,680 And it looks. And it looks. 120 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,960 It's yeah, it's acceptable. Good. 121 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,560 You know, like, like I said, it feels next Gen. again now. 122 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,560 But what have you done today, AJ? 123 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,640 I'm really intrigued to to know what you've done today. 124 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,760 Nothing I've not done. Anything literally about half an 125 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,200 hour ago. I've not just come back from the 126 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,800 shop. No, no, nothing. 127 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,480 No, no, no, nothing. All right. 128 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,720 OK, so I have to let you into if you're new here, mine and Andy's 129 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:36,080 relationship is 1 built or 4 FOMO and egging each other on 130 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,240 entirely. That's why this channel started. 131 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,840 It's egging each other on and he's been, when I say he's been 132 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:48,320 giving me an hourly update, he's been torturing me even like 133 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,280 screen sharing over the PlayStation app so I can see 134 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:55,560 what control looks like with ray tracing constantly. 135 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,400 And I've just been sat there going I've I've missed out and I 136 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,520 miss having a PlayStation and there's now all those first 137 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,000 party games aren't going to be on PC. 138 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,040 I'm not going to play them anywhere and I don't want to buy 139 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,720 APS 5 again because that's a waste. 140 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,160 That's a waste of money right now. 141 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,320 That's why I didn't go PS-5. Yeah, yeah. 142 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,880 So I may have accidentally also bought APS 5 Pro today. 143 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,840 I love it. Yeah, Do you know what? 144 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,920 I'm really excited to to get to play it, you know, who knows? 145 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,000 Maybe 128 KB becomes a PlayStation channel. 146 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,280 If they release a handout then that would that would definitely 147 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,360 get featured. It's going to happen, yes. 148 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,760 So that's my shameful admission. I've gone back to my roots. 149 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,200 I've gone back to PlayStation after a couple of years away. 150 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,600 Yeah, well, you've always been die hard PlayStation. 151 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,080 I've been a die hard PlayStation since since the original. 152 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,280 It's been my thing. Yeah, I've got hundreds of 153 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,320 PlayStation games here, although I won't be able to play any of 154 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,440 them on the PS-5 Pro because I'm not buying the disk drive. 155 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,560 No, me either, yeah. Just not doing it. 156 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,200 I'm going all digital, all ease, all fast loading. 157 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,760 I'm doing, yeah. You know, I've, I've given up 158 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,600 collecting now. Yeah, Yeah. 159 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,200 I think I'm with you there. I think I've just given up with 160 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,640 it catching up. I want to start this off the 161 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,360 proper part of the show, and let's talk about this disaster 162 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,280 that's looming for AMD in the handheld space. 163 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:26,720 Yeah, because this comes in the backdrop of Intel and the G3 164 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,600 Extreme really stealing a March on handheld performance. 165 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,200 Absolutely. And showing what happens when a 166 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:39,200 processing manufacturer focuses on developing for handheld 167 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:44,000 rather than not. Let's be honest. 168 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:49,720 And the Intel G3 Extreme has shown us like the performance, 169 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,720 what you get with hardware upscaling and those and the AI 170 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,160 stuff that's built in with the XES S3, it's hardware based. 171 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,840 The advantages you get for low power devices. 172 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:06,600 We've been hoping that perhaps the announcement from AMD about 173 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:15,280 FSR 4 coming down to RDNA 3.5 devices that they would bring it 174 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,520 to the integrated processes, but. 175 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,920 Before that, we were hoping, because if you remember when the 176 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,920 Z2 Extreme launch, we were trying to tell people not to buy 177 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,080 into the Z2 Extreme. We were like, just wait another 178 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,960 year, wait for the Z3 Extreme that's going to be RDNA 4 and 179 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,520 we'll actually have FSR 4 on handhelds. 180 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,160 And we were like really big on that. 181 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,560 Obviously the Z2 Extreme came out and we ended up getting them 182 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:42,080 because, you know, we, we, we did that and they're great for 183 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,880 what they are, But now they're just like, they really should 184 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,560 have been pushing that Z3 Extreme with the RDNA 4. 185 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,200 And and that's what made us then hope that they would bring RDNA 186 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,840 4 like the Int 8 version backwards because they announced 187 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,360 it for the the dedicated GPUs, you know? 188 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,600 Yeah, you're right. Before the Z twos came out, we 189 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,560 were looking at it going, well, this is kind of like a stepping 190 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:10,720 stone between generations 3.5 thing. 191 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,680 Maybe wait till the Z3. And then in the subsequent time 192 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:20,480 as well, AMD did announce their road map as well, which showed 193 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:25,720 us that actually this RDNA 4 land for what in the spaces that 194 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,000 we're in, it's not going to be here. 195 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,040 No. Not for years. 196 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,360 Yeah. Not for years, yeah. 197 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,480 So what the Z3 generation brings, whenever that is 198 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,800 announced, it's not going to be announced this year, now is it? 199 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,240 Which means it's not going to be in devices early next year. 200 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,120 So we're we're going to be held on to the Z2 Extreme for a long 201 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:45,880 time. Yeah, well, according to their 202 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:51,200 road map, they're staying on RDNA 3.5 until like 2029 and 203 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,280 like that is just ridiculous. There's. 204 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,840 Talk that AMD are focusing a lot on the AI space and on data 205 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,880 centres. Which is silly really, because 206 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,200 that's Nvidia's job. And AMD have always been like 207 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,680 for the gamers. Do you know what I mean? 208 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,720 Like they, they, they are the ones that are like, don't worry, 209 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,000 we got you. We'll try and make more 210 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,760 affordable cards that are good valuable. 211 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,720 And we're focused on the gamers. And it looks like they've just 212 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,480 kind of just just ghosted everyone. 213 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,480 And on the processing side of thing, they were that as well. 214 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,040 They stole a massive March ahead of Intel and like, you know, 215 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,080 for, for a good while they've been good value, huge 216 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:28,880 performance. Absolutely, yeah. 217 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:34,280 And isn't it funny because Intel fell behind because they took 218 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,640 their eye off the ball, and now it feels like AMD are doing the 219 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,480 same, specifically with how it affects us in the handheld 220 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,400 space. When the FSR 4 announcement 221 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,000 happened that they were going to roll it back to RDA 3.5 222 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:53,840 dedicated GPUs, our big question mark was, is that going to 223 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,360 happen for the integrated processes? 224 00:11:55,560 --> 00:11:57,040 Are we going to say that to the Z2 E? 225 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,480 Yeah, yeah. And there's been no word about 226 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:06,000 it until you're getting some vague confirmation at Computex 227 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,160 that it's not going to happen from AMD themselves. 228 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:18,160 I know Tom's Guide did report on it and they made a mistake, but 229 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,840 they've, they've corrected it. They they attributed the quote 230 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,520 to the wrong person. It seems like the comments made 231 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,240 by David McAfee, who's the corporate VP and General manager 232 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,320 of client, whatever that means. More antivirus then no. 233 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,080 That was my, that was my instance. 234 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,800 Like oh wait, you worked for AMD now. 235 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. 236 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,400 Yeah. The comments made by him and 237 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,080 then backed up by Frank Azor basically hinting at that 238 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,120 they're not going to confirm when all of deny. 239 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,480 But essentially this conversation hasn't happened 240 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:57,200 inside AMD at all yet. And that the focus has to be on 241 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:03,120 like computational power in order to do this, and suggesting 242 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,120 that the the Z2 E doesn't have that computational power in it 243 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,960 in order to provide it. What I'm saying, reading between 244 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,040 the lines here, they're like, no, we haven't said no, but 245 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:18,080 we're kind of saying no because there's, you know, they, they 246 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,960 wanted to to hit a level level of quality. 247 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,520 And what they're basically saying is that, yeah, like you 248 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,000 said on the compute front, they just don't think the quality 249 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,800 will be matched there if there's too much latency per frame or 250 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,440 whatever. It's just such a shame. 251 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,400 Like it really feels like they've dropped the ball on 252 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,320 this. It definitely sounds like 253 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:42,040 they're saying no for right now. And it and when you when when we 254 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,320 talked about this coming to RDNA 3 cards, the dedicated discrete 255 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,040 cards, even you said, I don't know if they're actually going 256 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,120 to bring this down to AP us. And it was me going now. 257 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,920 Surely they'll bring it back to AP us. 258 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,920 They've got to there's already you know, you can already hack 259 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,560 it in yourself. So surely it's they're just 260 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:00,240 going to like flip a switch and it'll be done. 261 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,960 But no, you are right to question it because they they 262 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,160 don't seem to be doing it anytime soon. 263 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,760 I'm so. Glad you said about hacking it 264 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,640 in yourself, because there's lots of people that are already 265 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:10,640 doing it. Is it Optuscaler? 266 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,720 They're using something like that, isn't it in order to do 267 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,960 it? And and and obviously there's 268 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:22,040 mixed, mixed success with that, but people are doing it. 269 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,080 Yes. What I will say is that AMD have 270 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,440 said we continue to listen to our customers and we hear you. 271 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,040 I'm just, I'm going to put like some kind of like dangle of hope 272 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,520 here, some carrot of hope because that this announcement 273 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:45,640 originally FSR 4 coming to the RDNA 3.5 discrete cards was a 274 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,080 reaction to the backlash of customers. 275 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, who were upset that they 276 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,280 only just bought their their AMD cards and they weren't getting 277 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,520 this new episode 4 when it was announced and that they could 278 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,880 roll it back. It was a reaction to that. 279 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:01,440 So they do listen to the customers. 280 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,320 They do hear us, but the problem is they've got like a quality 281 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,720 standard they have to hit and I don't know if there's a two you 282 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:13,720 can do it and also US and the handheld space are a much 283 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,920 smaller customer base. Super niche, yeah. 284 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,560 Whereas everyone, because they're bringing it to RDNA free 285 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,960 and RDNA 2 GPUs. So that's the majority of their 286 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,080 their sales right there in in the graphics front. 287 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:32,120 And so like the little tiny measly RDNA 3.5 APU, they're 288 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,000 like me. There's only a few thousand 289 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,800 people in the world with those, Like, screw them. 290 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,600 They're like, but we're not saying no, but we're not saying 291 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:46,040 yeah, so. If they don't, if they don't 292 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,920 bring it or if they don't bring updated hardware anytime soon, 293 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,400 you start having a question. I mean, for the sake of the 294 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,960 manufacturers that are tied into AMD, when you look at people 295 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:03,520 like Asus, just to give you like to really give you the kind of 296 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,200 gravity of it. You're getting the same 297 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:14,200 performance in the G3 Extreme at half the wattage with the Z2E or 298 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,120 42% better performance at 35 watts. 299 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,760 What do, what do Asus do in this situation? 300 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,640 Are they tied to AMD? What do they, or do they look at 301 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,400 the Intel G3 and go, we're going to have to put that in one of 302 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,040 our allies? It's so difficult, isn't it? 303 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,720 Because again, until we get hands on, we really don't know 304 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,440 in terms of like raster performance, raw performance, 305 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,320 how big of a jump there is, because this is purely based on 306 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:49,120 FSR 3 versus XESS that that's just like not a fair comparison. 307 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,960 Is it really like so, but but it is the comparison that will be 308 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,160 made. So like you said, I mean Asus 309 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,080 when we talked to Jason England of Tom's Guide, check out the 310 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,800 video on the channel. It's the about the Ms. i.e. 311 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:06,599 XAI plus whatever it's called. Yeah, the E i.e. 312 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:08,079 I/O as he calls it, which I loved. 313 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:16,240 He was saying the Asus want to keep with one manufacturer. 314 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,359 So the it's an easy progressional point. 315 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,079 So it's not confusing. Do you know what I mean? 316 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:25,280 So it's like very like the next step. 317 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,920 Whereas when you have too many different things going on, it's 318 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,040 a bit confusing and, and whatever else. 319 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,720 But it's, it's such a tough one, isn't it? 320 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,760 Because when's the point that they go? 321 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,480 You know what, we're getting left behind here now. 322 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:41,560 Yeah, and all of all of this conversation isn't about the 323 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:46,440 right now, because right now the Z2E or the Z2 EAI, whatever it 324 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,840 is in the in the allies now is very good. 325 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,720 Yeah, yeah. Get very good performance from 326 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,000 it. That X20 with the OLED screen, 327 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,360 if they ever do decouple it from this bundle and sell it on their 328 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:01,280 own, that's going to be a very compelling device OLED screen. 329 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,680 Z2 E you know, that's that's great. 330 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,640 You look at the performance of the Lesion go 2 with 32 gig of 331 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,480 VRAM, 32 gig of RAM and and yeah, you're like it's very 332 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,920 capable right now. Yeah, yeah, it's a great device, 333 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,120 Yeah. Driver support is pretty good, 334 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:21,120 not great on the the logo side. Yeah, on any of the fronts, 335 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,600 really. But yeah, it's true, FSR support 336 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,400 is certainly good. Yeah. 337 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,240 So for the right now, we're fine. 338 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,600 If you've just bought it in the past few months, you're fine. 339 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,640 This conversation is worrying about what happens this time 340 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:41,160 next year, because if AMD don't update this time next year, 341 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,040 they're going to get left behind because Intel's road map is very 342 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,600 rapid. Yes, and they are great with 343 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,560 updates. They will be throwing updates 344 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,960 left, right and centre and if anything we could see even 345 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,800 bigger performance jump between their marketing spiel. 346 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:02,520 Yeah, you look at the the up the upgrade kind of graph on the 347 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:08,320 last generation, the Lunar Lake stuff, it was just like night 348 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,440 and day from now. When you look back at launch, if 349 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,040 there's the same progression curve with the with the arc G 350 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:20,280 threes, I mean, there was really still a March, but the Z2 E will 351 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:25,920 start to show its its age. And then when it's, that's 352 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,800 magnified when you compare, when you've got something to really 353 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,640 compare it to, that's completely different. 354 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:37,280 Yes, yeah, absolutely. It's AMD need to catch up. 355 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:43,240 Yeah, they really do need to. I, I feel like they just need to 356 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:48,280 get on board with this, See the backlash, Put FSR 4 on, you 357 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,480 know, regardless if it's there, let us have it and it works how 358 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,600 it works. If it's, you know, introduces 359 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,080 more latency or whatever, well, then that's a choice you can 360 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,640 make. You can choose in the game what 361 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,920 version of FSR you want to use, or you can use Optus Optuscaler 362 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:09,200 yourself and change it that way. It is just tough. 363 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,680 The Z2ES are still great. They're great devices. 364 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,000 You know I love the Xbox LAX and the Lenovo Legion go to you 365 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,560 know, I think they're great. MSI Claw A8, it was brilliant as 366 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,640 well and they're still going to be great for a long time yet. 367 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,000 But when you see Intel just coming in hot with a brand new 368 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,040 focus, this is designed for handhelds and efficiency and 369 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,640 performance. Rather than just efficiency, 370 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,920 it's like man, this they're they're really going to, you 371 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,480 know, pricing is going to be ridiculous, yes, but they are 372 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,960 going to change handheld gaming, I think. 373 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,280 Yes, and make it more accessible, make it more 374 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:46,960 popular. Yeah, yeah. 375 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:54,120 The I, I think the only hope really that AMD have is if and 376 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:56,760 the concert manufacturers are actually making a handout if 377 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,280 those rumours and that we're hearing are true. 378 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,960 Yeah. In in like growing, expanding 379 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:07,040 that customer base dramatically. If we see an AMD powered 380 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:13,720 PlayStation handheld, then maybe there's the scope for them to 381 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,160 spend more money developing here. 382 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,360 But is it just a case of economics? 383 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,840 There's just not the there's not the money in it for them to 384 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,720 worry too much about the AP US. Yeah, maybe and and will 385 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,920 something like a PlayStation handheld have a what's the word 386 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,200 I'm looking for? Will it be like locked to that? 387 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,760 Do you know what I mean? Will it be contracted that like 388 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,080 only the PlayStation handheld has that APU do you know what I 389 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,200 mean? So that they can't use it in 390 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,320 their in their like in. All the other ones it'll be semi 391 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:50,120 custom in in the same way yours as like the rumours of the Helix 392 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:53,960 is going to be semi custom work with AMDI think the steam 393 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,840 machine as well if I'm right in remembering it's a. 394 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,760 Semi custom work, yeah, I think it's his own thing, I think. 395 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,240 I'm going to talk more about the Steam Machine in a minute, 396 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,200 actually, because we had some leaks about pricing. 397 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,840 But before that, I'm going to stick in the handheld space and 398 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,240 the 1X player who we seem to be talking about more and more 399 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,080 recently. Do you think they're? 400 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,120 Becoming more and more mainstream. 401 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:23,880 Yeah, I mean, loads of people were saying to us in the 402 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,920 comments like they're great. You know, loads of people were 403 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,040 bigging them up because we've been a little bit on the back 404 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,720 foot just because they're not as big as your Asus, your Asus, 405 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,120 your MSI, all that kind of stuff. 406 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,600 So we were always a bit questionable as to like what RMA 407 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,360 is going to be like, you know what, if it gets broken, you 408 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:42,080 need to fix it. You're going to have to ship it 409 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,120 yourself to China, you know, how's support going to be, you 410 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:47,560 know, all this kind of stuff, which are valid questions when 411 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,040 you're paying out for a high end device. 412 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,680 But yeah, loads of people that love the brand coming out. 413 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,160 I mean, I personally would love a 1X player three with the arc 414 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,880 G3 stream with the Legion go 2 screen. 415 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,400 It'd be amazing. It'd be amazing, you know, but 416 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,520 obviously there is the the two variants we keep bringing up in 417 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,120 comparison to the 1X Player 3, which is the the X2 Mini and 418 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:13,200 there's some news on that as well. 419 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,880 Yeah, X2 Mini. Firstly, the Indiegogo goes live 420 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,720 on the 15th. Which is about time. 421 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,520 Yeah, which is as you're listening to this, it'll be 3 422 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,320 days. So you're right, it's about time 423 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,720 because that was announced a. Couple of months ago. 424 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,840 February March time, wasn't it? Oh yeah, yeah, a good few 425 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,600 months. And weirdly it at the 426 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:40,080 announcement it was powered by the AI395 Plus, wasn't it? 427 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,880 Yeah, the Strix Halo there, but they've changed the processor in 428 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:50,920 it, which is now the AI Max 388. Plus I think it is. 429 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,000 And plus height and. We just. 430 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,280 Come up with. I mean, come on. 431 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,600 Yeah, it's so annoying. It's so annoying, Yeah. 432 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,320 So a change in the in the integrated processor there, 433 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:03,520 Yeah. What gives? 434 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,800 What gives? This seems to be a a new variant 435 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,160 as far as I'm aware. So the 388 is like a new thing 436 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:15,080 which is basically just a 395 with some of the CPU calls 437 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,680 ripped out of it. Kind of sounds like AG free 438 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,640 extreme from the, you know, the, the, the laptop. 439 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:27,560 So they've got oh, people like this AI395 performance in these 440 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,040 smaller devices. Maybe we should copy Intel's 441 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,880 homework and RIP a few cores out on the CPU side, make it more 442 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,080 efficient, more efficient. So basically it's going to have 443 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,680 the same GPU as a 395, but it's going to be more efficient. 444 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,440 I wonder if they've got a done a similar work on the power 445 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,480 profiling because one of the things that the G3 Extreme for 446 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,480 those that don't know, has done really well. 447 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,880 Yes, it has fewer CPU calls, but they've changed the power 448 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,040 profiling as well, so more power is consistently to the GPU. 449 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,840 Calls, yeah, I love that. It's so good. 450 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,520 I don't know. I don't know if AMD are really 451 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,000 thinking that far ahead for that because this isn't necessarily a 452 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,240 dedicated handheld APU because otherwise this would be the Z3 453 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,480 stream. Surely you know yeah, why not 454 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,080 just call this the Z3 stream like because it's going to be 455 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,120 too expensive most likely, but because this is going to be a 456 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:20,760 more efficient version of the 395, it should be cheaper as 457 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,200 well. So it's kind of good for the X2 458 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,680 mini to it should go down in price from and when I say that 459 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,880 it's still going to be like 2 grand, it's just going to be 460 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,280 slightly less than the 395 plus. But just bear in mind anyone 461 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,600 that doesn't know this X too many is one of the ones where 462 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,240 you slap a battery on the back and it's got water cooling and 463 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,040 you know you need batteries coming out your nose to power. 464 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,800 It so it's it's a handheld in name, but in the truth it's more 465 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,080 of a hype. I would call it a hybrid. 466 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,840 Yeah, it's a hybrid. Yeah, it's a Jack of all trades. 467 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,560 It's your laptop, you know, it's your security camera. 468 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,120 It's your checkout, you know, system. 469 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,440 It's your mobile phone. It's your mobile phone. 470 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,760 I'm curious by them. I'm not so interested if I'm 471 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,360 honest. I'm not so interested in the 472 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:11,200 external batteries ones. I don't feel, I don't feel like 473 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,520 in good conscience I can call that a handheld. 474 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,760 Yeah, yeah. The 1X player three though is an 475 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,920 integral batteries, isn't it? If I remember rightly, yes, 80 476 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,640 Watt hour battery and. Might might even be an 85. 477 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,360 Yeah, I think it might be right, actually. 478 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,680 Of course, that's got the Intel Arc G3 Extreme in it. 479 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:31,360 Oh. Yes. 480 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:34,720 And the Lenovo screen 8.8 inch and. 481 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,120 That's the dream, right? There, it's the dream, like peak 482 00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:42,400 next generation performance. And that screen, if I'm honest, 483 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,400 I've said it before, I want an 8 inch OLED. 484 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,080 I think for the what you're getting, for the weight 485 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,760 distribution, the ergonomics bounce to the screen. 486 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,200 I for example, I really love the size of the screen on the Switch 487 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,440 too. It feels like the perfect, 488 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,720 perfect sizing. If that was an OLED, I think 489 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,120 it'd be the perfect screen. So, but you know, 8.8 inches I 490 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:12,720 think, I think to be honest, if you want an OLED now, it's the 491 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,520 best way to go. I I love the size. 492 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,160 I know it is big for a lot of people. 493 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,160 It makes it way more unwieldly and less portable, but for me, 494 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,520 maybe it's because I'm, you know, like wearing glasses it's 495 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,360 the best size screen because it's like playing on a freaking 496 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:33,520 tablet like it is so nice and like 1200 P looks fantastic and 497 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,080 the G3 extreme is going to eat up 1200 P. 498 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,840 But but so is the the 1X player X2 mini, by the way, which is 499 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,640 using that 388 now that's the same screen in that but way more 500 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,200 powerful that that goes up to like 80 watts if you plug it 501 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:54,240 into the wall, whereas the the arc G3 extreme will go to 45 502 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,840 watts plugged in or 35 watts on the battery. 503 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,480 So you are going to get way more performance on the X2 mini, but 504 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,000 the the 1X player 3 should be a lot cheaper because of the APU 505 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,640 choice, the integrated battery. There's no water cooling jank 506 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,560 that they're putting into it. Do you know what I mean? 507 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,280 Like this thing is actually a handheld. 508 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,600 So fingers crossed this will actually be like. 509 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,800 You know what would be really interesting and we wouldn't be 510 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,080 in a privileged enough position to try it, but there'll be some 511 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:25,120 other creators that can is side by side performance at the same 512 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:28,280 wattage. If you put them both, let's say 513 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:33,040 at 45 watts, so the Max for the 1X Player 3 and they have on the 514 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:37,160 XT Mini to see what the performance is side by side, to 515 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,640 see how efficient Intel have made the G3 Extreme. 516 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,880 Yeah, yeah. Because there's there was 517 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,040 question marks on the AI395 plus that as you dropped down the 518 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,640 wattage, the performance increases got less and less. 519 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,160 Yeah, it was basically AZ 2 extreme. 520 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,520 Like if you were like 17 watts, it wasn't that much more. 521 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,760 It's only the fact that you can like just raw dog power straight 522 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,080 into it. You know that that made it way 523 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,800 more performance, which is great. 524 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,640 You know that it's going to future proof it in terms of 525 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,920 like, oh wow, I just up the TDP every time. 526 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,280 Especially when you put a screen in it. 527 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 528 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,320 But you've got to bear in mind as well, it's, it's not a hard 529 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,560 DNA 4. So there ain't no FSR 4 on the 530 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,240 the 3-9 fives or the 388 pluses that's. 531 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,160 Really good point. I hadn't. 532 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,480 Considered that, yeah. Whereas the one XPS 3 is going 533 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,280 to have XESSS. Three I think made any talk for 534 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,360 laptop at all. Not, no, no, not just discreet 535 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,840 GPU. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 536 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,040 Wow, yeah. That's interesting, isn't it? 537 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,960 But the 1X player three though the Intel version of these 1X 538 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,800 players, that's also got a go live date for Indiegogo, which 539 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,520 is June the 23rd, which is what we've all heard about the Intel 540 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,680 devices. Yeah, well, that's that's what 541 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,240 we originally 1X player was like. 542 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,600 Yeah, it's going to launch June the 23rd and I'm like, it ain't 543 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,840 launching like it's an Indiegogo page that you mean the Indiegogo 544 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,280 page launches on the 23rd and that is now being like confirmed 545 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,200 basically so. I will say it's going to take 546 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,880 time. Yeah, it's a risky business as 547 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:18,240 well to be crowdfunding a small numbered as in they want make a 548 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,120 small number of them handheld right now, because I'm pledging 549 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,080 that I'll spend let's say $2000 on this device today. 550 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,960 We know from what we're going to talk about in the next story 551 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,680 that component prices are going to double again by the end of 552 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,120 this year. How long is? 553 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,400 It going to take them to make this and by the time they come 554 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,560 to like ordering the components, have they increased in price, 555 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,640 are they going to do what what happened to A&E over the next 556 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,840 two? They just canned it. 557 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,560 They have to can it because it becomes too expensive to make 558 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,160 compared to what they're having to charge. 559 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,960 I'd much rather be in the kind of MSI position of being able to 560 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,880 like have it already produced in numbers. 561 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,320 I want to buy it. Do you know what I mean? 562 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,240 Like if I've got money I want to hit add to car and expect it 563 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,040 there like next day delivery. Do you know what I mean? 564 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,520 Like I am not saying have two grand and you could go bust and 565 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,520 I might lose my money. Like do you know what I mean? 566 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,840 Or like you said, components double and they come back and go 567 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,880 if you've got another 2 grand because that's how much it's 568 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,000 going to cost now. By the way, no refunds like I do 569 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,680 you know what I mean? Like unless you are. 570 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,160 Vaccine no returns. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 571 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,240 They have their pinkies crossed like, you know, behind the back, 572 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,280 you know, but unless you've got like serious money and money is 573 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,680 not an issue for you, there's no way anyone can like happily do 574 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,720 that, do you know what I mean? Like I I couldn't just easily 575 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,520 just throw 2 grand at something like that in the hopes that I'm 576 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,200 I might get something at some point. 577 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,040 Do you know what I mean? If I got 2 grand I want the 578 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,720 thing yesterday, I want it in my lap the second I'm I want them 579 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:58,560 hand delivering any of that but. At least we've got dates on them 580 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,400 and it it will be really intriguing to see what happens 581 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:08,360 with this new AI Max 388 plus and to see how good it is to see 582 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,280 if it if we'll see it kind of creeping into other devices as 583 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,560 well. That'd be really interesting. 584 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,440 But back to that point I was making a minute ago about 585 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,840 component prices, because this kind of forms a bigger story 586 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,000 about Xbox that's come out this week, literally came out 587 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,880 yesterday as we're recording this. 588 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,080 Asha Sharma has been giving lots of interviews on the kind of 589 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:36,040 business side of Xbox and it kind of it follows on from the 590 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,560 vast amount of changes that that her team have made in the 1st 591 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,000 100 days of her being in charge. And I will say before we get 592 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,920 into the doom and gloom, the positive, I'm incredibly 593 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,760 positive for Xbox in the changes they've already made feel like 594 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,880 they're, they're positive. They're. 595 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,120 Absolutely forward when when Asher came into office, if you 596 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,880 want to call it that, I was worried like I was like a man, 597 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,200 you got an AI like headliner here coming in like Xbox is 598 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,120 doomed. Do you know what I mean? 599 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,440 And one of the first things she did was ripped out AI from 600 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,200 consoles, like canned the whole copilot thing, you know, like 601 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,360 and, and, and has actually actively tried to do stuff, make 602 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,720 game pass cheaper. All this other stuff made Xbox 603 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,240 called Xbox again, you know, change the logo a little bit. 604 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,040 Get rid of get rid of the Everything's an Xbox brand in 605 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,000 the marketing campaign. It was a stupid marketing event. 606 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,520 Everyone said it was stupid. It was yeah, yeah, yeah. 607 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,080 We were. We were put in fridges with 608 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,040 Xbox. Something goes on. 609 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,080 What what feels like is happening is not entirely, but 610 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,760 at least superficially there is a kind of responding to what the 611 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,200 gamers, what the community is saying. 612 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, on the superficial stuff 613 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,360 at least, which makes everyone feel involved, which is nice. 614 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,400 Game Pass coming down on price was a huge one because it went 615 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,480 from being the best value prospect in gaming that would 616 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:09,400 make you want to buy an Xbox to that 50% increase was like, well 617 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,639 I'm going to buy a year's worth whilst it's cheap and then after 618 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:15,760 that I probably won't renew it. Yeah, absolutely. 619 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,639 I was getting annoyed. I don't want Fortnite and Call 620 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,560 of Duty stuff like in there. Like, do you know what I mean? 621 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,480 Like, let me buy Call of Duty if I want to play the newest one to 622 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,040 keep the cost down. And that was one of the first 623 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,280 things she cut, too. So I'm actually quite impressed 624 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,960 by how things have been going in the past 100 days. 625 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:36,600 But looking forward, there is there's more kind of like mass 626 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,679 changes that need to happen. The first one is the current 627 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,040 situation at Xbox. As she puts it, the business is 628 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,480 not healthy. Yes, yeah, yeah. 629 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,679 Which is quite a damning quote to have. 630 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,440 I think we we're all probably aware of it when you look at how 631 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,679 far behind they are and. Does she, does she need to get 632 00:34:55,679 --> 00:35:01,560 Jamie Oliver into the canteen like they did in the UK when I 633 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,280 was at school? And again, crisps and chocolate. 634 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,280 I got replaced with apples and bananas. 635 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,920 Yeah, they took away my my Turkey Twizzlers. 636 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,040 Yeah, yeah, they did. They did ban the Turkey 637 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,200 Twizzlers only you people. UK. 638 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,240 People, it's a very UK joke. It's not even a joke, it's fact. 639 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,320 It's true. Yeah, yes. 640 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,720 So she's keen to stress that the business isn't healthy and they 641 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,360 need to make dramatic changes to remedy that. 642 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,160 They need to be more self-sufficient in their supply 643 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,280 chain, which is another one. She was saying, talking about 644 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,120 component prices. And she's saying a lot of 645 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:44,920 competitors or other manufacturers are more resilient 646 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:50,200 to the component price shocks that we're seeing than Xbox are, 647 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,560 which is mental. And get the numbers right here. 648 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,160 I'm sure you told me that when in our first month of being at 649 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,080 Xbox, the cost of memory and storage doubled. 650 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,280 Yes, yeah, yeah. By the time I've, I've lost it 651 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,760 now I've read it earlier today and it was yeah. 652 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,920 By the time she'd started in February or whatever, the costs 653 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,840 are doubled. And since then to now it's 654 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,680 doubled again. And by the end of next year, if 655 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,040 we carry on this trajectory, the component costs would have 656 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:28,160 doubled 5 * 5 times the cost for storage and memory. 657 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,000 Yeah, yeah, it'd be 5 times higher, yeah. 658 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:37,200 So then she's she's talking about like what's realistic 659 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,280 then? Because there's only so much of 660 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,960 like, subsidy that you can absorb. 661 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,000 And she's like being realistic. Families can't afford to buy 662 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,640 $2000 consoles. Absolutely. 663 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,120 I mean, even the PS-5 Pro that we've just been talking about 664 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,280 like that new is outrageous. Like in in in the old price 665 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,920 point. Like right now they're I think 666 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,280 they're 780 new from from a shop. 667 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,800 That's unheard of when you think like like like we've always said 668 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,960 in the past 500 lbs ceiling for a console. 669 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,880 So if like the new Xbox is going to be let's say like 1500, it's 670 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,840 going to be far too much for any normal person to be able to to 671 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,000 afford for just what they see as a gaming system. 672 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,880 Yeah. So she's obviously talking in 673 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,520 reference to Project Helix as well their new the upcoming 674 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,280 Xbox, which is APC basically. Yeah, yeah. 675 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:35,040 And I guess there's an alluding to two choices there, which is 676 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,680 you strip it back and you make what steamer doing with the 677 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,200 Steam Machine, which is like a much lower powered undervalued 678 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,680 machine and you subsidise it so it comes in at a cheaper price. 679 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,320 Or you remain committed to the project, in which case you have 680 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,120 to think about doing it entirely differently. 681 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,960 Yes. She said something really 682 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,000 interesting that's not been widely reported on. 683 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,840 She said brand new business models will have to appear that 684 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,400 we wouldn't of imagined this time last year. 685 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,600 And I thought that was really interesting. 686 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,160 Yes, she's not. I don't think that's talking 687 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:18,600 about like renting games or it's like superficial things or like 688 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,600 accessories subsidising consoles. 689 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:27,800 I think it's brand new ways to buy consoles that are that cost 690 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,320 $2000, that cost $1500. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 691 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,800 And I may be taking a leak, but we've had this conversation 692 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,320 before, me and you either on the podcast and aside from it, but 693 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,600 the only other piece of technology I can liken this to 694 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,000 is mobile phones. Absolutely, which are 695 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,440 extortionate when you think what The thing is. 696 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,520 They're like 1000 lbs, aren't they? 697 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,440 Over that, yeah, some of the Samsung ones are like nearly 698 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,040 1500 for a mobile phone. What is it? 699 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,120 A web browser in your pocket and a phone like. 700 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:04,040 And the enthusiasts buy one every year 18. 701 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:04,480 Months. No. 702 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,440 Yeah, psychopaths do. That psychopaths. 703 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,400 Normal people. Normal people tend to buy one 704 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,240 every two to three years. Yeah, a console has a seven-year 705 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,440 life, 7 to minimum years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 706 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,080 If you're talking like a brand new like high performance PC 707 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,880 that would launch right now with an Xbox logo on it, how long 708 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,920 would that realistically last with the likes of FSR 4IN it and 709 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,880 with games maybe being perfectly optimised for what would become 710 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:40,280 lower performance in the future? Let's say it's a nine 7 to 9 711 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,440 year life and it's a 1500 dollar $2000 investment. 712 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,440 Would it be ridiculous that Xbox or gaming in general start phone 713 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,320 contract style purchase models? Yeah. 714 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,520 So financing them, yeah. You finance it through through 715 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,560 Xbox or through a phone company, whatever. 716 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,080 Yeah. There's mobile phone companies 717 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,800 that already do it. Yeah. 718 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,520 And and honestly, when you when you click on like the 719 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,840 PlayStation website, they are big to flash up leasing right 720 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,040 now leasing I did, I wouldn't expect it from. 721 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,920 Them just renting. It, yes. 722 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,920 So you literally rent it for even less of the price it would 723 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,160 cost you to finance. Finance it so that you own it. 724 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,560 So maybe that's it. Maybe that's the way is leasing 725 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,560 it. I, I, I rather like owning 726 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,800 stuff, even if I have to pay it off over time. 727 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,520 So like when we were like discussing this, whenever it was 728 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,760 earlier today or last night, whatever it was, I was like, 729 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,880 well, if it's 1500 and they, if they managed to do the 0% thing 730 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,960 because everyone else can do it. All the phone contracts are 0% 731 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,160 in the Uki don't know about America. 732 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,480 In the UK pretty much every phone, if you go to a phone 733 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,160 contract place you'll get the phone for 0% like APR. 734 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,200 So you pay nothing on top of what this value is. 735 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,200 It's no different than if I just bought a bundle of cash and gave 736 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,440 it to him outright or if I paid part monthly. 737 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:07,640 So if it was 1500 let's say and it was a 48 month contract, so 738 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:15,680 and it's 0%, that works out at like £30 a month. £31.25. 739 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,440 There you go. So calculate £30 a month. 740 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,800 If you extract that out to to an 8 year thing. 741 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,440 I doubt they could do that, but. No, because because of they have 742 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,040 to have the asset thing there to repossess if you stop. 743 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:29,880 Paying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 744 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,720 But here's here's my fantasy with it. 745 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,680 Let's say they do that, that they do 48 month deals on the 746 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:48,000 new really expensive Xbox and they call it Game Pass whatever, 747 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,880 and they include Game Pass in a fee. 748 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,560 So if it's 48 and it's 48 months and it's 30 lbs, let's say it's 749 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:01,040 £40 a month, £45 a month and you get Game Pass as well. 750 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,960 I know us die hard gamers wouldn't accept that because 751 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,440 because it's such a big change. It's a bit like game key cards. 752 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,280 It's a bit like digital, like us die hard to be like, no way, 753 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,480 that's ridiculous. But I think like the families of 754 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,560 this world, the kind of general consumers who are the people 755 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,760 that buy things en masse. Yes, yeah, yeah. 756 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,600 I think it would be more acceptable. 757 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,640 Absolutely is a mobile phone setup. 758 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,280 Yeah, yeah, for the the average people that game, which is a 759 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,160 lot, a lot of people you think how many people like have 760 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,040 Nintendo Switches, have Playstations and stuff that are 761 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,920 not like die hard, but they want to play, I don't know, GTA or 762 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,560 FIFA or whatever it is. Like I think a lot of people 763 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,800 would do that. You know, I really do think a 764 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,360 lot of people would do that. I mean we all do it with mobile 765 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,880 phones anyway. Like, well, the majority of us. 766 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,800 Because again, I'd I I wouldn't even want to drop like 1200 on a 767 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,360 phone sickens me. Do you know what I mean? 768 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,720 I'm on a contract where I can give it back at any time and 769 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:05,440 just swap it out for a different one. 770 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,840 I'm fine with that and I don't care about owning a phone, but 771 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,960 like a gaming console is different to me. 772 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,880 Do you know what I mean? Like I, I would want to own 773 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,720 that, but if there's options for people that like leasing things, 774 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:18,960 then that's. And also options for people that 775 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,600 still want to buy it outright. It will always have that option 776 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,160 that would always definitely be there. 777 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,480 It's like if if you've saved up and you want to just cash in 778 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,760 like bam, do it then totally totally fine you. 779 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,000 Know, I think that the whole tone of this, this line of we 780 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,440 need new business models. There's going to be ways of 781 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,760 purchasing that we wouldn't have imagined a year ago. 782 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:44,080 The only thing I can liken it to is mobile phones and what that 783 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,680 stun of mobile phones has allowed them to make squeeze in 784 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,000 technology that they couldn't ordinarily afford to do when 785 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:55,320 phones were a lot cheaper. And now you have, yes, it is a 786 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,760 web browser, but it's a highly capable, like the iPhone process 787 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,560 is highly capable. They put it in the new. 788 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:06,040 MacBook neos you can play like Resident Evil with like ray 789 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,080 tracing on your mobile. It's insane. 790 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,040 It's ridiculous. Like I why are phones that 791 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,080 powerful like? But they could only afford to do 792 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,160 that because of the purchasing model. 793 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. If the only way to buy the new 794 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,160 iPhone was buy outright and it was always like 15112 hundred, 795 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,080 they wouldn't sell nearly as many. 796 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,000 Oh, they wouldn't sell any. Well, yeah, they would be like 797 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,760 20% of what they're selling because most people can't afford 798 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,600 that, so they have to finance it. 799 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,640 And that's the thing, you know. What this actually means, we'll 800 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:37,800 we'll find out in the course of time. 801 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,640 But like, it's not a great position for Xbox to be in. 802 00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:45,840 They're not in a great position. There's even talk of like there 803 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,360 might be mass layoffs next month. 804 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,080 Yeah, I and that's, that's the, the sad thing. 805 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,040 And I, I know everyone's going to blame Asha for it because, 806 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,120 you know, we'll be her fault in a way. 807 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,320 But like, really, it's kind of the lead up. 808 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,200 She keeps saying like we can't expect to do the same thing and 809 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,600 expect the same results, which is absolutely right, you know, 810 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,880 definition of insanity and all that stuff. 811 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,880 And it, she didn't put them in that position. 812 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,080 I mean, she didn't spend 20 billion like, you know, on 813 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,120 Activision Blizzard King to then see what was it like, how many a 814 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,560 year on year decline in profit like. 815 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,720 And she was like, we literally just can't do this. 816 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:29,520 It like it'd be stupid to because they will just end up 817 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,720 going like just disappearing. They'll become Sega and just, 818 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,160 you know, be a publisher, which, you know, that is what it is. 819 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,800 But yeah, so I can imagine this coming and hitting quite a lot 820 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,760 of employees, unfortunately. There's talk of like they they 821 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,040 may even shut. A studio may be shut down. 822 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,960 Yeah, yeah. She's keen to talk about 823 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,920 Blizzard and Activision quite a lot so. 824 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,680 Yeah, because they I. Wanted some of their studios. 825 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,920 Yeah, maybe I I don't know, like I feel like they're big assets 826 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:10,240 for for Xbox. I mean, king is what mobile 827 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:13,600 king, isn't it? So like all the mobile stuff, 828 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,440 but lizard make a shared ton of money even just off World of 829 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,960 Warcraft. Still, you know, there'll be 830 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,800 millions, 10s of millions of subscribers that pay monthly 831 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,760 just to be on that game, you know, so that that's like paid 832 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,120 for itself. Activision, Call of Duty paid 833 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,280 for itself. Do you know what I mean? 834 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,000 Like, so I can't imagine like, the big studios getting shut 835 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,480 down. If there's like subsidiary 836 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,840 companies within them that I have no idea about, then yeah, 837 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,080 maybe maybe they get like kicked out. 838 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,680 Yeah, you think like inside Activision, there's studios 839 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,080 inside that though because they share out like. 840 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,640 Yeah, yeah. There'll be one team working on 841 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,760 one thing, one another one doing that. 842 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,680 So yeah, I suppose that's going to be the case then within 843 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,360 those. But there there's a lot of other 844 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,160 studios in there. There's a lot of other Xbox 845 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,320 studios other than. Those 3 Call of Duty, there's an 846 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,120 argument you don't need it every year. 847 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,720 But I don't want it every year. I much prefer it every two 848 00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:09,240 years. Like they do a battlefield. 849 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:11,600 Yeah, like. Every few years there's a new 850 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,400 one and it's a big deal when it happens. 851 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,400 I'm I'm alright being it more often the battlefield. 852 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,360 So like every every two years would be fine. 853 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,360 And then after the first year do a big update, just throw some 854 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,160 more maps in. That's all you need to do. 855 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,760 It's all people want. Yeah. 856 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,000 And then people will get their money's worth. 857 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,760 Especially now it's not on Game Pass. 858 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,840 You're going to have to pay for the game outright. 859 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,560 Like I feel like a year comes around real quick. 860 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,640 Like I feel like we're at Gamescon yesterday and we're 861 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,280 going to be going there again like in a minute, you know? 862 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:45,160 So I would like to see that model change, even though they 863 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,040 won't because that pulls in a crap load of money for them. 864 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,120 So I can't see why they would, but. 865 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,760 You know, depressing stories about money and things costing a 866 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,080 fortune. Would you like another one? 867 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:04,280 Yes, because there was a leak on the Steam machine pricing. 868 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,920 I almost made this the headline story for for this episode but 869 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,240 it was too negative. Yeah, I know it's too. 870 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:19,480 Depressing. If this is true, it's DOA 871 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:27,000 because this price leak suggests that it's going to be between 13 872 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:33,080 and 1500. Dollars, yeah, plus like taxes 873 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,680 on top. What? 874 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:37,720 What's? Happening, man. 875 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,880 It's insane, isn't it? If it's 13 to 1500, like I was 876 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,440 saying 750 to 1000 and people thought we were nuts for. 877 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:47,920 Saying I thought we were nuts for saying that. 878 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,200 Absolutely nuts. And like, people were like 879 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,800 getting real angry about it. We pinned it, it's like it's 880 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,600 going to be same price as APS 5 pro. 881 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,160 Yeah, it's going to be. Yeah, that's exactly where I was 882 00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,360 expecting it. But now it's broken into like 883 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,960 1300 to 1500. I mean, this is like supposedly 884 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,000 a leak, right? So it could be a lot of rubbish. 885 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,400 It could be the top tier model that comes with like 2 Steam 886 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,120 controllers or whatever, and it's the two terabyte model or 887 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,800 whatever. You know, like maybe it's that. 888 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,160 But if it starts at 1300 and goes to 1500, now you're in 889 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,840 trouble. Well, I go back to what Ashley 890 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,480 Sharma said, and there's a reason why I put it in this 891 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,000 order when she talked about component prices doubling in her 892 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,000 first month and then doubling again since then. 893 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:38,120 Yes. I feel like there's actually 894 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,560 some truth to it being over $1000. 895 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,200 Yeah, totally. That's why it's not come out 896 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,320 yet. It was meant a launch in Q1 this 897 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,920 year. We're like approaching Q3. 898 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:49,960 Yeah, there we are. Yeah. 899 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,640 And it's still not out and all they've done is say it's come in 900 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,320 this year, summer or whatever it's like. 901 00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:02,840 Summer this year. And no price, no price. $1500 902 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,400 for tax. I would rather buy the MSI claw 903 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,280 8EX AI plus. Yeah. 100% I think there's an 904 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,080 argument there to getting the 1X player 3. 905 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,680 Yeah, right, if you've got that. Kind of money to be spending on 906 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:26,520 PC gaming yeah I'm sorry I loved the idea of the steam machine 907 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,520 and I was holding out to buy one but as we get closer and closer 908 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,720 to it and it's seems more more likely that it's well over 1000 909 00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:40,800 lbs yes I cannot there there is no part of me even for videos 910 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,520 there's no part of me that can justify that it makes. 911 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,120 No sense, it's just not worth it. 912 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:50,320 It's just not worth it. No, for the performance, 913 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:51,680 performance that you're getting as well. 914 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,440 I know that's the thing because like say APS 5 Pro will be more 915 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,120 performant. So it's, it's kind of like, 916 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,120 well, it's such a tough one, isn't it? 917 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,640 Obviously if you've got a huge Steam library already, then it 918 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,000 makes some kind of sense. But I could just argue that you 919 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,000 could just buy a laptop or or an actual you could. 920 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,600 Desktop like APC from like second hand components, Yeah, 921 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,480 you could outperform it, yes, yeah. 922 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,280 Do you know what I mean? You could like get an RTX 3070 923 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,880 probably be fine. Oh yeah, it would be, yeah, 924 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,960 totally. If you weren't used, you could 925 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,440 easily buy a a better system than this for that money. 926 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,040 Yeah, components have gone up even in the use prices 927 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,000 obviously, but but you could easily match that, yeah. 928 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,480 But have they gone up to the point where you couldn't build 929 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,840 to Steam Machine performance levels if it was $1500 I. 930 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,160 No, I don't know. You'd be cutting it fine, but at 931 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,520 least you'd have your own like mini ITX case and your own 932 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,120 components you could wap out. The only thing that's user 933 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,840 serviceable in that is the storage. 934 00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,360 Yes, the only thing this has going for it is how small it is 935 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,520 and portable. Be very easy, just stick in a 936 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,000 bag. This like if you're travelling 937 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,840 around often, you know, like staying in hotels or something, 938 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,320 be very easy. But I would then argue if you're 939 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,800 travelling around all the time, you're probably on trains. 940 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,360 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you're probably on trains, 941 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,320 planes, buses, whatever. Just get a handheld. 942 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,120 Then you can keep playing. And then you could just dock 943 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,040 that in your hotel. You know, this seems like if 944 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:28,880 this came out a year before it was announced and it came out at 945 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:34,040 that like 500 price point, it would have won so hard. 946 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,840 But it's just so unfortunate the Valve went check this out, it's 947 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,520 going to be great. And we went and then like all 948 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,480 the AI pricing just went and just killed it from like 949 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,600 literally doubling, tripling. Of prices. 950 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,440 It's that Steam Machine curse, isn't it? 951 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,360 Yeah, everyone always talks about it. 952 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:55,600 It is a cursed name. I I don't know where they go 953 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,320 because manufacturing would have happened. 954 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,240 Product will be in hand. The longer they leave it, the 955 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:03,280 more outdated it gets. Yeah. 956 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,400 And and the more it's going to rise in price, if Ashley is 957 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,320 saying by the end of next year, it's going to be 5 times more 958 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,760 than a few months ago in terms of pricing, then it's just going 959 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,680 to go up in price if they keep delaying it. 960 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,880 The only thing they could do, I think that could keep people 961 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,360 happy is they launch it. It's going to have an eye 962 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,200 warring launch price, but it will sell out. 963 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:27,160 I can guarantee this will sell out because diehards really want 964 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,760 it. Like fans really want this and 965 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,080 that's cool. Like the Steam Steam Deck 966 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,080 pricing when that happened, it's still sold out when it came back 967 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:41,000 into stock because fans want it. They do the initial run, it 968 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,240 sells out and then they don't restock it. 969 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,320 Just don't restock it and wait, wait for the price correction to 970 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,800 happen next year, the year after. 971 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,520 Just leave it out of stock. Yes yeah. 972 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,960 And then re re look at it, look at a .5 version, an upgrade of 973 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,040 some kind. Yeah, yeah. 974 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,240 Because I I don't think they're a company of the size that can 975 00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:08,600 absorb cost. No, I don't think they said 976 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,000 originally that they wouldn't be. 977 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,080 Yeah, so yeah, I, I feel bad for him. 978 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,760 And everyone hates on us for hating on Valve, and it's like 979 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,040 we don't hate on Valve at all. It's just the reality of it. 980 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,480 Like if you're expecting us to pay 500 and now it's going to be 981 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:30,600 1500 like this, this ain't doing 8K60, you know what I mean? 982 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,000 Like don't like the original PS-5? 983 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,560 Yeah, this is going to be doing like 4K. 984 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,800 Well, not even. I don't even think they said it 985 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,120 could hit 4K60 with upscaling, did they? 986 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,120 So like it's not even going to be doing that. 987 00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:46,240 So I don't know, like I don't know. 988 00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,160 If you've got this hooked up to an older monitor, like a 1080 989 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,320 PPC monitor or A14P, you know, then yeah, yeah, OK mate, You'll 990 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,040 probably haven't, all right? You'll probably be fine. 991 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,200 Yeah, but but the value that's not there. 992 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,200 And it's designed to connect to your TV. 993 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:09,000 This is a whole play for the lounge and like most people now, 994 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,480 especially gamers, have a four KTV. 995 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,160 They have a decent 4 KTV. All right. 996 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,440 You don't have to rub it in just because you put on OLED. 997 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,320 Last week. Most of us have an OLED now. 120 998 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,800 Hertz. VR HDR, you know, most of us 999 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,760 know, but like gamers do, don't they? 1000 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:28,480 They. Yeah, yeah. 1001 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,960 So if you can't hit the the resolution of the screen that 1002 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,160 you're attached to, it's going to look rubbish. 1003 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,720 Yeah, imagine like putting out 1080P and you've paid £1500 for 1004 00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:44,880 it. That yeah, that that's what's 1005 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,240 mad about right now is just the pricing of everything is and. 1006 00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:51,640 And I just feel really bad for Steam because I wanted this to 1007 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:52,720 be brilliant. I wanted. 1008 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,840 I was so excited when. They yeah, I still think the 1009 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,720 device itself is going to be brilliant if you don't look at 1010 00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:01,200 the price. Yeah, the aesthetics of it, the 1011 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,800 the whole thing, I was like, brilliant. 1012 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,400 It's going to work fantastic. And also it was like, oh, 1013 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,200 there's another console in the living room. 1014 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:12,240 Now I personally love that idea. There's a missing space. 1015 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:18,680 And yes, but if Valve are going to fill it, then wicked. 1016 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:23,840 But like Asha Sharma said about the Xbox, families aren't 1017 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,480 affording $2000 PCs. No $2000 console, No, no, no. 1018 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,040 Now the Steam Machine was always aimed at PC Master race and was 1019 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,480 hopefully going to be an affordable way into TV PC Master 1020 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,280 race. Not many people are like me 1021 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,880 where their partner allows them to have a full size tower 1022 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:46,040 plugged into the TV and another one by the couch with a flipping 1023 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,240 flip out screen on it. Do you know what I mean? 1024 00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:50,800 Like it's just excessive, isn't it? 1025 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,120 So most people don't like that. Whereas this tiny little cube 1026 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,080 was going to be brilliant. And I really like the thing, and 1027 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,720 I just feel really that this might kill the Steam Machine 1028 00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,600 name again, you know, if it doesn't do well. 1029 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,440 And that's not Valve's fault. That's the market's fault. 1030 00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:13,880 I want to finish on a positive note because there was about 10 1031 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,120 roughly 10,000 games announced this week. 1032 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,440 We we might have to go through them as our like favorite 1033 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,560 upcoming games. I do to not miss out on, you 1034 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,320 know, that's a separate video. Yeah, I think we're going to 1035 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,840 have to do like a upcoming game city because it's just too many. 1036 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,960 There's two. I'm looking at the list of like 1037 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,680 the highlights from Summer Game Fest Xbox Direct. 1038 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,800 There's too many I've added to it as well. 1039 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,840 Yeah, Can I just start it off with the thing that I'm 1040 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,200 obviously want to talk about all the time, which is Final 1041 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:48,360 Fantasies 7 Revelations? They gave us a treat at Summer 1042 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,880 Game Fest, Yes. And it was a good like 10 1043 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,320 minutes of and I've watched all the interviews since. 1044 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,280 It's it looks like everything and more. 1045 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,080 For like Final Fantasy 7 fans, it's like it's everything and 1046 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,600 more. It looks, yeah, it looks 1047 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,640 incredible. Yeah, it really does. 1048 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,640 And all platforms simultaneously. 1049 00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,640 That's what shocked me was wow, all platforms. 1050 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,600 Just seeing Nintendo Switch up there made, I was like, yes, 1051 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,760 like, and all platforms because they released it on PS-5 and no 1052 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,640 one bought it, you know, offered Part 2 and that's when Square 1053 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,480 went well, we're not doing exclusivity anymore then. 1054 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,000 And I think that's right. Like release it on everything 1055 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,800 and then people have a choice. You know, I I think that should 1056 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,760 be the way you. Want to play it? 1057 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,160 Yeah, exactly. So seeing this coming out 1058 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:45,680 everywhere at the same time I am really hyped but now I don't 1059 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,000 know what to play on. Yeah, there's too much. 1060 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,120 Choice. Why isn't it exclusive? 1061 00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,040 Make it exclusive the PlayStation. 1062 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:55,720 Yeah, it's PlayStation, isn't it? 1063 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,040 We do. There was some huge 1064 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,440 announcements in Summer Game Fest as well, like the Top and 1065 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,160 tail, Resident Evil, Code Veronica remake. 1066 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,280 Yeah. That's coming, yeah. 1067 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,160 Yeah. Yeah, I was so excited for you 1068 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,960 in that I was like, yeah. Yeah, I went back and started 1069 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:18,520 playing the Code Veronica X Yeah, and on PlayStation there's 1070 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,400 two versions. So I bought the PS4 version, 1071 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,280 which is just a direct port of the PS2 version, but it's the 1072 00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,240 PAL version, which is only 50 Hertz, so it plays like crap. 1073 00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:35,160 Yeah, Yeah, because we're in the UK, but they've also now made it 1074 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:40,880 available to stream only the PS3 version, which was a remake of 1075 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,800 the PS2 version. There's NTSC. 1076 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,920 Yeah, well, yeah, it's NTSC and it's got wide screen like mods 1077 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,680 in it and stuff so that you can actually like play a full 1078 00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,240 screen. So I'm probably end up going to 1079 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,720 stream it even though I bought the the PS4 version do. 1080 00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,920 You think you'll be able to complete it before 2027 because 1081 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:04,280 that's when the remake comes. Some some just absolute massive 1082 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,080 ones. Alien Isolation 2 was kind of 1083 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:11,600 reconfirmed, given us a bit of a teaser of that Jen Atlas from 1084 01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:15,720 the creator of Shadow of Colossus and Icoi don't know if 1085 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,480 those games ever kind of tweaked. 1086 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,720 On the radar, yeah, I love the look of them. 1087 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,280 But. But yeah, I, I never really 1088 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,040 played them myself personally, yeah. 1089 01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,920 Fair enough. And on the summer game test, I 1090 01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,400 want to give a shout out to there's a new Stella Blade. 1091 01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,360 I know, yes. And something I wasn't 1092 01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,960 expecting, and I don't know if it'd been announced before, but 1093 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,160 Platinum Games working on a Ninja Turtles. 1094 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,200 I know. Yeah. 1095 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,200 No, it looked dark. Awesome. 1096 01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:48,200 It looked incredible. The last Ronin I was like, yes. 1097 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,760 I want this to be like 90s style, like more violent 1098 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,280 turtles. Absolutely. 1099 01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,840 But I think we will we'll go through game by game or like our 1100 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,880 upcoming games that we're excited for because there's so, 1101 01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,240 so many. There's just too many. 1102 01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:07,120 Yeah, Xbox direct. Just want to say Xbox have gone 1103 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,080 exclusive again. Yeah, for two games. 1104 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,360 Yeah, Gears E Day, which looked really cool. 1105 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,280 I cannot wait, this looks fantastic. 1106 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,040 Now, what is it about Gears that divides opinions so much? 1107 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,000 I don't know. There's a lot of people I talk 1108 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:27,000 to really hate the the control systems like the Oh yeah, I 1109 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,200 cover. Yeah, but it's just old, like 1110 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,520 it's clunky, you know? I mean, like it's heavy, but 1111 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,880 that is the whole point. Like they're massive, like £300 1112 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,920 dudes, you know, like look at the gear they're wearing stuff. 1113 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,440 They're all just so roided out, they can hardly breathe. 1114 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,320 So. But yeah, there's they're like 1115 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:48,240 big dudes. I kind of felt like it felt 1116 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:49,040 good. Do you know? 1117 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,760 I mean, because it was like felt real, like clunky. 1118 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,560 I I went up and replayed them. Yeah. 1119 01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,240 I felt like it could have been tweaked. 1120 01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,240 But that's what they've done here. 1121 01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,600 They've ground up, redone it. And when you look at E Day, it's 1122 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,760 very fast, like in terms of gears, the cover system's been 1123 01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,600 adapted. You can now lay down, you can 1124 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,880 climb over stuff like parkour and over like 2 floored things. 1125 01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,680 Like it looks brilliant, you know, I don't know. 1126 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,720 If you didn't like the old ones, definitely try this one I would 1127 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,400 say. And I hope they bring back the 1128 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:19,960 Co-op thing as well. It is. 1129 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,640 It's 4 player card. It's. 4. 1130 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:26,880 Player It's 4 player card. Yes, that's great because we 1131 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:31,960 played it and it's kind it was we played is 5 was it? 1132 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,880 Yeah, whatever it was called the last one, they're like weird 1133 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,120 open worldy bits in it. Yeah, and it's kind of three 1134 01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,760 player, but it wasn't really. It was two player cop and one 1135 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,640 person could be a robot. Yeah, they're kind of just flew 1136 01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:48,120 around ZAP stuff and it was bugged into walls. 1137 01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:49,920 Yeah. Oh, do you remember? 1138 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:50,880 Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah. 1139 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,120 We got stuck for ages. Yeah, that was annoying, but 1140 01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,320 there there was a bunch in the Xbox Direct Fable got a date as 1141 01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:59,440 well. Yeah. 1142 01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:01,440 They released 30 minute gameplay as well. 1143 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,200 Have you seen it since Did? You watch it, the IGN thing 1144 01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,680 where it's got the like dev or whatever talking through it. 1145 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,880 I watched that this morning when I was eating breakfast and it 1146 01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,240 looked amazing. You. 1147 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,120 Can just say like super hyped for that. 1148 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,760 Like I'm hyped for. So much of this there's. 1149 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,800 So many games that are coming, so hyped for it. 1150 01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,320 And yeah, I think we're just being spoiled. 1151 01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,240 It's been, it's been a really good summer season. 1152 01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,880 I found it so funny that we were all like, where's the games? 1153 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,520 Like, where are all the games? And they're like, you know, 1154 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,760 what, Do you want them all in September? 1155 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,720 Because that's when we're giving them to you. 1156 01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,920 So here's like 30 games all dropping in September. 1157 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,160 And I was like, oh, no, we'll start the games, delay the 1158 01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,880 games. Yeah, don't give me all the 1159 01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,760 games like there's too many games, OK? 1160 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,080 November, you can have two games. 1161 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,120 There's two games in November. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1162 01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:57,040 GTA, obviously, and Barbie and probably Zelda. 1163 01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,880 Yeah. Has, we've said it before, 1164 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,760 Nintendo the only publisher of games that could? 1165 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,480 Release take on Rockstar, Yeah. Absolutely. 1166 01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,320 And it not effects them. Yes. 1167 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,040 And I think Ocarina Time is going to be November because 1168 01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,120 it's a free hit for them like. Yeah, Christmas. 1169 01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,160 Right before Christmas, Yeah. Yeah. 1170 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,680 What does it matter? Yeah. 1171 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,240 Yeah, I think we'll we'll cover this in more detail because 1172 01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,120 there's so many. It's just too much. 1173 01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:29,360 We'd be here for three hours. Yes, and I've got to go and pick 1174 01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,320 up APS 5 Pro. Yeah. 1175 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,720 So I'm sorry, everyone. I've gone back to my roots. 1176 01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,400 It took me a couple of years when I got back there, Yeah. 1177 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,360 Tell you all about it in the next week's podcast. 1178 01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,600 Oh, and and to everyone that when I said I was going to sell 1179 01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:48,080 the Xbox to put towards the PlayStation 5 because I've got 1180 01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,640 PCs and I didn't need it, my wife wanted to keep the Xbox. 1181 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,560 So you're going. To sell APC. 1182 01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,480 No, no, we're just not selling the Xbox. 1183 01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,520 I love it. That's great. 1184 01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:06,040 I want to know though, before we get into the games, I want you 1185 01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,600 to let us know what you're most looking forward to that's coming 1186 01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,160 up. What games is exciting you and. 1187 01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,640 If you would spend that much money on a steam machine. 1188 01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:15,640 That, well, that's exactly what I was just going to say. 1189 01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,960 Or like, what is your final prediction of price for the 1190 01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,680 Steam Machine? Because I've got a gut instinct 1191 01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,120 that we're going to hear about it in the next week or two. 1192 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,240 I think it's finally going to drop. 1193 01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,360 Everything's, everything's ramping up to it. 1194 01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,000 What's your final price prediction? 1195 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:39,080 I'm going with 12950. Starting price 1099. 1099 it's 1196 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,400 good $11.00 Wow. Yeah, yeah. 1197 01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:48,560 No 1000, 1100. Oh, by five. 1198 01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:50,720 Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, that's it, 1090. 1199 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,000 Nine. OK, 1099, it's yeah, I'll get 1200 01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,160 1299 for me then. OK. 1201 01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,760 There you go, but let us know what your final predictions are 1202 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,680 in the comments. Whilst you're down there, please 1203 01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,000 do like this video. Subscribe for more handout for 1204 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,920 gaming content. It's lovely to hang out with you 1205 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,960 every week in this podcast. What else could they do, Andy? 1206 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,000 But come a member and maybe we will be able to afford an MSI 1207 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:17,320 CLAW 8EX Plus or a. 1X3. Yeah, you know. 1208 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,240 All of them, if just if all of the subscribers join the 1209 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,280 membership. That's that's it, That's it. 1210 01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,840 You know, you could donate to us instead of giving it to Valve, 1211 01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:29,480 but you know, it's all right. But but yeah, become a member 1212 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,640 and you get to chat to us over on our private Discord as well. 1213 01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,520 Yeah, I love it. All right, so until the next 1214 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:34,960 time. Have a nice day. 1215 01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:35,960 Yes.