And welcome back to the 128 KB Podcast.
We are back once again. Due to lack of popular demand.
You almost forgot what it was. No, I was going to say I was
just a floating head in this video.
But you know and. Then I was thought, I can't
really make that sound funny so because, you know, I'm just a
floating head. I'm just a floating head as
well. Yeah, John Cena's behind me.
This is your weekly dose of all things gaming.
This is where we kind of unpick what's happened in the world of
game this week. Although to be honest, it feels
like we've done a podcast every day.
We pretty much have, yeah. Because it has been.
Let's just call it silly season for announcements.
It's been absolutely mental. Yeah, literally.
Mental like every new handheld ever has been announced, Intel
have entered the ring and then all of the game showcases.
Summer game festers Playstations play to play a little bit before
Xbox developer and then Nintendo.
Direct, absolutely.
And then following it up, there's even more stuff like X
like Asha Sharma's come out with a bunch of stuff and they'll
see. There's some some word about FSR
4IN handouts which is where I kind of want to start this.
Yeah, absolutely. But before I get to that,
Andrew, yes, yes. How's your week in gaming been?
My week in game has been really good.
I do want to quickly say anyone that didn't see our Nintendo
Direct video a couple of days ago, go check that out because
we specifically made a video about that.
We won't be discussing it here. So if you want to know about
that, go check that out. But yeah, week in game has been
good. Obviously.
I said last week on the podcast, well, again, we've done so many
podcasts, I don't even remember what it was, but the main
podcast last week I said I was getting APS 5 Pro, DHL or UPS,
whoever it was decided to lose it for several days.
So yeah, I had to wait until the following week, so the start of
this week to actually get it. I've got it really impressed
actually, you know, as APC gamer, I'm impressed.
This is like where PS Five should have launched that like
this is where it should have been.
You know, you're not compromising between graphical
like fidelity and performance. Whereas I the one thing I hated
about the PS-5 was like, you can either have nice graphics or
FPS. I'm like, I want both.
Do you know I'm coming from PC master race here?
Come on. Like and but like you're not.
Asking for everything to be 4K60 and like ray trace to beautiful
on a console. You just don't want it to be
less than 30 FPS and still be visible.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because let's be frank, the PS-5
and those certain games, and I'm going to call the bingo card
straight away. Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth was an
absolute train wreck on PS-5. Yeah, Vaseline Central.
And if you wanted it to look
remotely OK, it was it felt like I was playing like 20 FBS 25.
It was really as, as Mark Cerney would say, choppy.
Yes, it was awful. But you've been basically
sharing me like an hour by hour update on how good like PSSR is
and. I've just been quite shocked by
it because obviously when PSSR came out it had issues and I'm
sure it still does have issues. I've not played every game ever
yet, but it's a lot better now than it was when it when it came
out. And yeah, just playing stuff and
seeing games that are like PS-5 pro support now and playing
older times, like I've been playing control and stuff like
that. It's, it's just really good.
Like it's very good considering the price hikes of everything.
I know it's very expensive but like it's it is definitely on
that edge of PC Gamer could be happy with this.
But there's this weird thing that's happened now, like the
price hikes are happening everywhere where you actually,
there's certain things that have kind of stayed at a similar
price point to their launch. And you now look at them and go,
oh, actually that's pretty good value.
Consider this. I use this as an analogy all the
time at the at the moment Steam Deck OLED with A1 TB drive.
Yeah. Is $1000 I know PS-5 Pro is less
I don't know what it is in America, but in the UK it's it's
you get it for around 750 now. So actually all of that
criticism when it launched like oh, what discussing price, when
all they put the price up again, you now look at it in the
balance of everything else that's happening and go, is that
a sensible purchase? If you were looking at buying
something now, that's kind of future proof, is that sensible
purchase right now? Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And that, that's the thing, like me playing on it, I'm actually
really happy with it. I know I got it cheaper.
I think I got it for the last UK retailer that had it like at the
old price. And then the day after I bought
it, it went up 100 lbs. So like $150.00 increase
overnight, something like that. And so I'm really happy about
that. But just like, as you're saying,
like that argument of building APC of comparable performance,
now it is going to cost you more, like considerably more to
buy APC. Obviously there's pros and cons
because of game prices and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But like you said, value wise, I'm actually saying this is
decent value now, especially if you look at something like their
subscription, their Game Pass thing, there's so many games on
there, it's ridiculous. But yeah, overall I'm pretty
happy that I've done this. You know, I'm not disappointed.
I'm having a great time. One thing I like because time is
limited these days, you know, so I don't have the time I used to
spend where I like tinkering with settings on PC.
Like I half my game session is just spent messing around trying
to get the resolution and game settings right to where I'm
happy because I'm so anal about it and focused.
You know, I'm like, I really need this to be good that then
I've wasted half my play session.
Whereas with PS-5 Pro, I've just been like pressing the button.
I don't even have to like go through windows or anything.
It's just on T VS overridden. I press the game, I'm playing
the game and I've, I've gained another hour of play time
because I'm not messing around. Do you know what I mean?
So it's, it's quite nice to just be like, you know what, I'm
actually playing a game right now.
And it looks. And it looks.
It's yeah, it's acceptable. Good.
You know, like, like I said, it feels next Gen. again now.
But what have you done today, AJ?
I'm really intrigued to to know what you've done today.
Nothing I've not done. Anything literally about half an
hour ago. I've not just come back from the
shop. No, no, nothing.
No, no, no, nothing. All right.
OK, so I have to let you into if you're new here, mine and Andy's
relationship is 1 built or 4 FOMO and egging each other on
entirely. That's why this channel started.
It's egging each other on and he's been, when I say he's been
giving me an hourly update, he's been torturing me even like
screen sharing over the PlayStation app so I can see
what control looks like with ray tracing constantly.
And I've just been sat there going I've I've missed out and I
miss having a PlayStation and there's now all those first
party games aren't going to be on PC.
I'm not going to play them anywhere and I don't want to buy
APS 5 again because that's a waste.
That's a waste of money right now.
That's why I didn't go PS-5. Yeah, yeah.
So I may have accidentally also bought APS 5 Pro today.
I love it. Yeah, Do you know what?
I'm really excited to to get to play it, you know, who knows?
Maybe 128 KB becomes a PlayStation channel.
If they release a handout then that would that would definitely
get featured. It's going to happen, yes.
So that's my shameful admission. I've gone back to my roots.
I've gone back to PlayStation after a couple of years away.
Yeah, well, you've always been die hard PlayStation.
I've been a die hard PlayStation since since the original.
It's been my thing. Yeah, I've got hundreds of
PlayStation games here, although I won't be able to play any of
them on the PS-5 Pro because I'm not buying the disk drive.
No, me either, yeah. Just not doing it.
I'm going all digital, all ease, all fast loading.
I'm doing, yeah. You know, I've, I've given up
collecting now. Yeah, Yeah.
I think I'm with you there. I think I've just given up with
it catching up. I want to start this off the
proper part of the show, and let's talk about this disaster
that's looming for AMD in the handheld space.
Yeah, because this comes in the backdrop of Intel and the G3
Extreme really stealing a March on handheld performance.
Absolutely. And showing what happens when a
processing manufacturer focuses on developing for handheld
rather than not. Let's be honest.
And the Intel G3 Extreme has shown us like the performance,
what you get with hardware upscaling and those and the AI
stuff that's built in with the XES S3, it's hardware based.
The advantages you get for low power devices.
We've been hoping that perhaps the announcement from AMD about
FSR 4 coming down to RDNA 3.5 devices that they would bring it
to the integrated processes, but.
Before that, we were hoping, because if you remember when the
Z2 Extreme launch, we were trying to tell people not to buy
into the Z2 Extreme. We were like, just wait another
year, wait for the Z3 Extreme that's going to be RDNA 4 and
we'll actually have FSR 4 on handhelds.
And we were like really big on that.
Obviously the Z2 Extreme came out and we ended up getting them
because, you know, we, we, we did that and they're great for
what they are, But now they're just like, they really should
have been pushing that Z3 Extreme with the RDNA 4.
And and that's what made us then hope that they would bring RDNA
4 like the Int 8 version backwards because they announced
it for the the dedicated GPUs, you know?
Yeah, you're right. Before the Z twos came out, we
were looking at it going, well, this is kind of like a stepping
stone between generations 3.5 thing.
Maybe wait till the Z3. And then in the subsequent time
as well, AMD did announce their road map as well, which showed
us that actually this RDNA 4 land for what in the spaces that
we're in, it's not going to be here.
No. Not for years.
Yeah. Not for years, yeah.
So what the Z3 generation brings, whenever that is
announced, it's not going to be announced this year, now is it?
Which means it's not going to be in devices early next year.
So we're we're going to be held on to the Z2 Extreme for a long
time. Yeah, well, according to their
road map, they're staying on RDNA 3.5 until like 2029 and
like that is just ridiculous. There's.
Talk that AMD are focusing a lot on the AI space and on data
centres. Which is silly really, because
that's Nvidia's job. And AMD have always been like
for the gamers. Do you know what I mean?
Like they, they, they are the ones that are like, don't worry,
we got you. We'll try and make more
affordable cards that are good valuable.
And we're focused on the gamers. And it looks like they've just
kind of just just ghosted everyone.
And on the processing side of thing, they were that as well.
They stole a massive March ahead of Intel and like, you know,
for, for a good while they've been good value, huge
performance. Absolutely, yeah.
And isn't it funny because Intel fell behind because they took
their eye off the ball, and now it feels like AMD are doing the
same, specifically with how it affects us in the handheld
space. When the FSR 4 announcement
happened that they were going to roll it back to RDA 3.5
dedicated GPUs, our big question mark was, is that going to
happen for the integrated processes?
Are we going to say that to the Z2 E?
Yeah, yeah. And there's been no word about
it until you're getting some vague confirmation at Computex
that it's not going to happen from AMD themselves.
I know Tom's Guide did report on it and they made a mistake, but
they've, they've corrected it. They they attributed the quote
to the wrong person. It seems like the comments made
by David McAfee, who's the corporate VP and General manager
of client, whatever that means. More antivirus then no.
That was my, that was my instance.
Like oh wait, you worked for AMD now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it.
Yeah. The comments made by him and
then backed up by Frank Azor basically hinting at that
they're not going to confirm when all of deny.
But essentially this conversation hasn't happened
inside AMD at all yet. And that the focus has to be on
like computational power in order to do this, and suggesting
that the the Z2 E doesn't have that computational power in it
in order to provide it. What I'm saying, reading between
the lines here, they're like, no, we haven't said no, but
we're kind of saying no because there's, you know, they, they
wanted to to hit a level level of quality.
And what they're basically saying is that, yeah, like you
said on the compute front, they just don't think the quality
will be matched there if there's too much latency per frame or
whatever. It's just such a shame.
Like it really feels like they've dropped the ball on
this. It definitely sounds like
they're saying no for right now. And it and when you when when we
talked about this coming to RDNA 3 cards, the dedicated discrete
cards, even you said, I don't know if they're actually going
to bring this down to AP us. And it was me going now.
Surely they'll bring it back to AP us.
They've got to there's already you know, you can already hack
it in yourself. So surely it's they're just
going to like flip a switch and it'll be done.
But no, you are right to question it because they they
don't seem to be doing it anytime soon.
I'm so. Glad you said about hacking it
in yourself, because there's lots of people that are already
doing it. Is it Optuscaler?
They're using something like that, isn't it in order to do
it? And and and obviously there's
mixed, mixed success with that, but people are doing it.
Yes. What I will say is that AMD have
said we continue to listen to our customers and we hear you.
I'm just, I'm going to put like some kind of like dangle of hope
here, some carrot of hope because that this announcement
originally FSR 4 coming to the RDNA 3.5 discrete cards was a
reaction to the backlash of customers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, who were upset that they
only just bought their their AMD cards and they weren't getting
this new episode 4 when it was announced and that they could
roll it back. It was a reaction to that.
So they do listen to the customers.
They do hear us, but the problem is they've got like a quality
standard they have to hit and I don't know if there's a two you
can do it and also US and the handheld space are a much
smaller customer base. Super niche, yeah.
Whereas everyone, because they're bringing it to RDNA free
and RDNA 2 GPUs. So that's the majority of their
their sales right there in in the graphics front.
And so like the little tiny measly RDNA 3.5 APU, they're
like me. There's only a few thousand
people in the world with those, Like, screw them.
They're like, but we're not saying no, but we're not saying
yeah, so. If they don't, if they don't
bring it or if they don't bring updated hardware anytime soon,
you start having a question. I mean, for the sake of the
manufacturers that are tied into AMD, when you look at people
like Asus, just to give you like to really give you the kind of
gravity of it. You're getting the same
performance in the G3 Extreme at half the wattage with the Z2E or
42% better performance at 35 watts.
What do, what do Asus do in this situation?
Are they tied to AMD? What do they, or do they look at
the Intel G3 and go, we're going to have to put that in one of
our allies? It's so difficult, isn't it?
Because again, until we get hands on, we really don't know
in terms of like raster performance, raw performance,
how big of a jump there is, because this is purely based on
FSR 3 versus XESS that that's just like not a fair comparison.
Is it really like so, but but it is the comparison that will be
made. So like you said, I mean Asus
when we talked to Jason England of Tom's Guide, check out the
video on the channel. It's the about the Ms. i.e.
XAI plus whatever it's called. Yeah, the E i.e.
I/O as he calls it, which I loved.
He was saying the Asus want to keep with one manufacturer.
So the it's an easy progressional point.
So it's not confusing. Do you know what I mean?
So it's like very like the next step.
Whereas when you have too many different things going on, it's
a bit confusing and, and whatever else.
But it's, it's such a tough one, isn't it?
Because when's the point that they go?
You know what, we're getting left behind here now.
Yeah, and all of all of this conversation isn't about the
right now, because right now the Z2E or the Z2 EAI, whatever it
is in the in the allies now is very good.
Yeah, yeah. Get very good performance from
it. That X20 with the OLED screen,
if they ever do decouple it from this bundle and sell it on their
own, that's going to be a very compelling device OLED screen.
Z2 E you know, that's that's great.
You look at the performance of the Lesion go 2 with 32 gig of
VRAM, 32 gig of RAM and and yeah, you're like it's very
capable right now. Yeah, yeah, it's a great device,
Yeah. Driver support is pretty good,
not great on the the logo side. Yeah, on any of the fronts,
really. But yeah, it's true, FSR support
is certainly good. Yeah.
So for the right now, we're fine.
If you've just bought it in the past few months, you're fine.
This conversation is worrying about what happens this time
next year, because if AMD don't update this time next year,
they're going to get left behind because Intel's road map is very
rapid. Yes, and they are great with
updates. They will be throwing updates
left, right and centre and if anything we could see even
bigger performance jump between their marketing spiel.
Yeah, you look at the the up the upgrade kind of graph on the
last generation, the Lunar Lake stuff, it was just like night
and day from now. When you look back at launch, if
there's the same progression curve with the with the arc G
threes, I mean, there was really still a March, but the Z2 E will
start to show its its age. And then when it's, that's
magnified when you compare, when you've got something to really
compare it to, that's completely different.
Yes, yeah, absolutely. It's AMD need to catch up.
Yeah, they really do need to. I, I feel like they just need to
get on board with this, See the backlash, Put FSR 4 on, you
know, regardless if it's there, let us have it and it works how
it works. If it's, you know, introduces
more latency or whatever, well, then that's a choice you can
make. You can choose in the game what
version of FSR you want to use, or you can use Optus Optuscaler
yourself and change it that way. It is just tough.
The Z2ES are still great. They're great devices.
You know I love the Xbox LAX and the Lenovo Legion go to you
know, I think they're great. MSI Claw A8, it was brilliant as
well and they're still going to be great for a long time yet.
But when you see Intel just coming in hot with a brand new
focus, this is designed for handhelds and efficiency and
performance. Rather than just efficiency,
it's like man, this they're they're really going to, you
know, pricing is going to be ridiculous, yes, but they are
going to change handheld gaming, I think.
Yes, and make it more accessible, make it more
popular. Yeah, yeah.
The I, I think the only hope really that AMD have is if and
the concert manufacturers are actually making a handout if
those rumours and that we're hearing are true.
Yeah. In in like growing, expanding
that customer base dramatically. If we see an AMD powered
PlayStation handheld, then maybe there's the scope for them to
spend more money developing here.
But is it just a case of economics?
There's just not the there's not the money in it for them to
worry too much about the AP US. Yeah, maybe and and will
something like a PlayStation handheld have a what's the word
I'm looking for? Will it be like locked to that?
Do you know what I mean? Will it be contracted that like
only the PlayStation handheld has that APU do you know what I
mean? So that they can't use it in
their in their like in. All the other ones it'll be semi
custom in in the same way yours as like the rumours of the Helix
is going to be semi custom work with AMDI think the steam
machine as well if I'm right in remembering it's a.
Semi custom work, yeah, I think it's his own thing, I think.
I'm going to talk more about the Steam Machine in a minute,
actually, because we had some leaks about pricing.
But before that, I'm going to stick in the handheld space and
the 1X player who we seem to be talking about more and more
recently. Do you think they're?
Becoming more and more mainstream.
Yeah, I mean, loads of people were saying to us in the
comments like they're great. You know, loads of people were
bigging them up because we've been a little bit on the back
foot just because they're not as big as your Asus, your Asus,
your MSI, all that kind of stuff.
So we were always a bit questionable as to like what RMA
is going to be like, you know what, if it gets broken, you
need to fix it. You're going to have to ship it
yourself to China, you know, how's support going to be, you
know, all this kind of stuff, which are valid questions when
you're paying out for a high end device.
But yeah, loads of people that love the brand coming out.
I mean, I personally would love a 1X player three with the arc
G3 stream with the Legion go 2 screen.
It'd be amazing. It'd be amazing, you know, but
obviously there is the the two variants we keep bringing up in
comparison to the 1X Player 3, which is the the X2 Mini and
there's some news on that as well.
Yeah, X2 Mini. Firstly, the Indiegogo goes live
on the 15th. Which is about time.
Yeah, which is as you're listening to this, it'll be 3
days. So you're right, it's about time
because that was announced a. Couple of months ago.
February March time, wasn't it? Oh yeah, yeah, a good few
months. And weirdly it at the
announcement it was powered by the AI395 Plus, wasn't it?
Yeah, the Strix Halo there, but they've changed the processor in
it, which is now the AI Max 388. Plus I think it is.
And plus height and. We just.
Come up with. I mean, come on.
Yeah, it's so annoying. It's so annoying, Yeah.
So a change in the in the integrated processor there,
Yeah. What gives?
This seems to be a a new variant
as far as I'm aware. So the 388 is like a new thing
which is basically just a 395 with some of the CPU calls
ripped out of it. Kind of sounds like AG free
extreme from the, you know, the, the, the laptop.
So they've got oh, people like this AI395 performance in these
smaller devices. Maybe we should copy Intel's
homework and RIP a few cores out on the CPU side, make it more
efficient, more efficient. So basically it's going to have
the same GPU as a 395, but it's going to be more efficient.
I wonder if they've got a done a similar work on the power
profiling because one of the things that the G3 Extreme for
those that don't know, has done really well.
Yes, it has fewer CPU calls, but they've changed the power
profiling as well, so more power is consistently to the GPU.
Calls, yeah, I love that. It's so good.
I don't know. I don't know if AMD are really
thinking that far ahead for that because this isn't necessarily a
dedicated handheld APU because otherwise this would be the Z3
stream. Surely you know yeah, why not
just call this the Z3 stream like because it's going to be
too expensive most likely, but because this is going to be a
more efficient version of the 395, it should be cheaper as
well. So it's kind of good for the X2
mini to it should go down in price from and when I say that
it's still going to be like 2 grand, it's just going to be
slightly less than the 395 plus. But just bear in mind anyone
that doesn't know this X too many is one of the ones where
you slap a battery on the back and it's got water cooling and
you know you need batteries coming out your nose to power.
It so it's it's a handheld in name, but in the truth it's more
of a hype. I would call it a hybrid.
Yeah, it's a hybrid. Yeah, it's a Jack of all trades.
It's your laptop, you know, it's your security camera.
It's your checkout, you know, system.
It's your mobile phone. It's your mobile phone.
I'm curious by them. I'm not so interested if I'm
honest. I'm not so interested in the
external batteries ones. I don't feel, I don't feel like
in good conscience I can call that a handheld.
Yeah, yeah. The 1X player three though is an
integral batteries, isn't it? If I remember rightly, yes, 80
Watt hour battery and. Might might even be an 85.
Yeah, I think it might be right, actually.
Of course, that's got the Intel Arc G3 Extreme in it.
Oh. Yes.
And the Lenovo screen 8.8 inch and.
That's the dream, right? There, it's the dream, like peak
next generation performance. And that screen, if I'm honest,
I've said it before, I want an 8 inch OLED.
I think for the what you're getting, for the weight
distribution, the ergonomics bounce to the screen.
I for example, I really love the size of the screen on the Switch
too. It feels like the perfect,
perfect sizing. If that was an OLED, I think
it'd be the perfect screen. So, but you know, 8.8 inches I
think, I think to be honest, if you want an OLED now, it's the
best way to go. I I love the size.
I know it is big for a lot of people.
It makes it way more unwieldly and less portable, but for me,
maybe it's because I'm, you know, like wearing glasses it's
the best size screen because it's like playing on a freaking
tablet like it is so nice and like 1200 P looks fantastic and
the G3 extreme is going to eat up 1200 P.
But but so is the the 1X player X2 mini, by the way, which is
using that 388 now that's the same screen in that but way more
powerful that that goes up to like 80 watts if you plug it
into the wall, whereas the the arc G3 extreme will go to 45
watts plugged in or 35 watts on the battery.
So you are going to get way more performance on the X2 mini, but
the the 1X player 3 should be a lot cheaper because of the APU
choice, the integrated battery. There's no water cooling jank
that they're putting into it. Do you know what I mean?
Like this thing is actually a handheld.
So fingers crossed this will actually be like.
You know what would be really interesting and we wouldn't be
in a privileged enough position to try it, but there'll be some
other creators that can is side by side performance at the same
wattage. If you put them both, let's say
at 45 watts, so the Max for the 1X Player 3 and they have on the
XT Mini to see what the performance is side by side, to
see how efficient Intel have made the G3 Extreme.
Yeah, yeah. Because there's there was
question marks on the AI395 plus that as you dropped down the
wattage, the performance increases got less and less.
Yeah, it was basically AZ 2 extreme.
Like if you were like 17 watts, it wasn't that much more.
It's only the fact that you can like just raw dog power straight
into it. You know that that made it way
more performance, which is great.
You know that it's going to future proof it in terms of
like, oh wow, I just up the TDP every time.
Especially when you put a screen in it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But you've got to bear in mind as well, it's, it's not a hard
DNA 4. So there ain't no FSR 4 on the
the 3-9 fives or the 388 pluses that's.
Really good point. I hadn't.
Considered that, yeah. Whereas the one XPS 3 is going
to have XESSS. Three I think made any talk for
laptop at all. Not, no, no, not just discreet
GPU. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wow, yeah. That's interesting, isn't it?
But the 1X player three though the Intel version of these 1X
players, that's also got a go live date for Indiegogo, which
is June the 23rd, which is what we've all heard about the Intel
devices. Yeah, well, that's that's what
we originally 1X player was like.
Yeah, it's going to launch June the 23rd and I'm like, it ain't
launching like it's an Indiegogo page that you mean the Indiegogo
page launches on the 23rd and that is now being like confirmed
basically so. I will say it's going to take
time. Yeah, it's a risky business as
well to be crowdfunding a small numbered as in they want make a
small number of them handheld right now, because I'm pledging
that I'll spend let's say $2000 on this device today.
We know from what we're going to talk about in the next story
that component prices are going to double again by the end of
this year. How long is?
It going to take them to make this and by the time they come
to like ordering the components, have they increased in price,
are they going to do what what happened to A&E over the next
two? They just canned it.
They have to can it because it becomes too expensive to make
compared to what they're having to charge.
I'd much rather be in the kind of MSI position of being able to
like have it already produced in numbers.
I want to buy it. Do you know what I mean?
Like if I've got money I want to hit add to car and expect it
there like next day delivery. Do you know what I mean?
Like I am not saying have two grand and you could go bust and
I might lose my money. Like do you know what I mean?
Or like you said, components double and they come back and go
if you've got another 2 grand because that's how much it's
going to cost now. By the way, no refunds like I do
you know what I mean? Like unless you are.
Vaccine no returns. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They have their pinkies crossed like, you know, behind the back,
you know, but unless you've got like serious money and money is
not an issue for you, there's no way anyone can like happily do
that, do you know what I mean? Like I I couldn't just easily
just throw 2 grand at something like that in the hopes that I'm
I might get something at some point.
Do you know what I mean? If I got 2 grand I want the
thing yesterday, I want it in my lap the second I'm I want them
hand delivering any of that but. At least we've got dates on them
and it it will be really intriguing to see what happens
with this new AI Max 388 plus and to see how good it is to see
if it if we'll see it kind of creeping into other devices as
well. That'd be really interesting.
But back to that point I was making a minute ago about
component prices, because this kind of forms a bigger story
about Xbox that's come out this week, literally came out
yesterday as we're recording this.
Asha Sharma has been giving lots of interviews on the kind of
business side of Xbox and it kind of it follows on from the
vast amount of changes that that her team have made in the 1st
100 days of her being in charge. And I will say before we get
into the doom and gloom, the positive, I'm incredibly
positive for Xbox in the changes they've already made feel like
they're, they're positive. They're.
Absolutely forward when when Asher came into office, if you
want to call it that, I was worried like I was like a man,
you got an AI like headliner here coming in like Xbox is
doomed. Do you know what I mean?
And one of the first things she did was ripped out AI from
consoles, like canned the whole copilot thing, you know, like
and, and, and has actually actively tried to do stuff, make
game pass cheaper. All this other stuff made Xbox
called Xbox again, you know, change the logo a little bit.
Get rid of get rid of the Everything's an Xbox brand in
the marketing campaign. It was a stupid marketing event.
Everyone said it was stupid. It was yeah, yeah, yeah.
We were. We were put in fridges with
Xbox. Something goes on.
What what feels like is happening is not entirely, but
at least superficially there is a kind of responding to what the
gamers, what the community is saying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, on the superficial stuff
at least, which makes everyone feel involved, which is nice.
Game Pass coming down on price was a huge one because it went
from being the best value prospect in gaming that would
make you want to buy an Xbox to that 50% increase was like, well
I'm going to buy a year's worth whilst it's cheap and then after
that I probably won't renew it. Yeah, absolutely.
I was getting annoyed. I don't want Fortnite and Call
of Duty stuff like in there. Like, do you know what I mean?
Like, let me buy Call of Duty if I want to play the newest one to
keep the cost down. And that was one of the first
things she cut, too. So I'm actually quite impressed
by how things have been going in the past 100 days.
But looking forward, there is there's more kind of like mass
changes that need to happen. The first one is the current
situation at Xbox. As she puts it, the business is
not healthy. Yes, yeah, yeah.
Which is quite a damning quote to have.
I think we we're all probably aware of it when you look at how
far behind they are and. Does she, does she need to get
Jamie Oliver into the canteen like they did in the UK when I
was at school? And again, crisps and chocolate.
I got replaced with apples and bananas.
Yeah, they took away my my Turkey Twizzlers.
Yeah, yeah, they did. They did ban the Turkey
Twizzlers only you people. UK.
People, it's a very UK joke. It's not even a joke, it's fact.
It's true. Yeah, yes.
So she's keen to stress that the business isn't healthy and they
need to make dramatic changes to remedy that.
They need to be more self-sufficient in their supply
chain, which is another one. She was saying, talking about
component prices. And she's saying a lot of
competitors or other manufacturers are more resilient
to the component price shocks that we're seeing than Xbox are,
which is mental. And get the numbers right here.
I'm sure you told me that when in our first month of being at
Xbox, the cost of memory and storage doubled.
Yes, yeah, yeah. By the time I've, I've lost it
now I've read it earlier today and it was yeah.
By the time she'd started in February or whatever, the costs
are doubled. And since then to now it's
doubled again. And by the end of next year, if
we carry on this trajectory, the component costs would have
doubled 5 * 5 times the cost for storage and memory.
Yeah, yeah, it'd be 5 times higher, yeah.
So then she's she's talking about like what's realistic
then? Because there's only so much of
like, subsidy that you can absorb.
And she's like being realistic. Families can't afford to buy
$2000 consoles. Absolutely.
I mean, even the PS-5 Pro that we've just been talking about
like that new is outrageous. Like in in in the old price
point. Like right now they're I think
they're 780 new from from a shop.
That's unheard of when you think like like like we've always said
in the past 500 lbs ceiling for a console.
So if like the new Xbox is going to be let's say like 1500, it's
going to be far too much for any normal person to be able to to
afford for just what they see as a gaming system.
Yeah. So she's obviously talking in
reference to Project Helix as well their new the upcoming
Xbox, which is APC basically. Yeah, yeah.
And I guess there's an alluding to two choices there, which is
you strip it back and you make what steamer doing with the
Steam Machine, which is like a much lower powered undervalued
machine and you subsidise it so it comes in at a cheaper price.
Or you remain committed to the project, in which case you have
to think about doing it entirely differently.
Yes. She said something really
interesting that's not been widely reported on.
She said brand new business models will have to appear that
we wouldn't of imagined this time last year.
And I thought that was really interesting.
Yes, she's not. I don't think that's talking
about like renting games or it's like superficial things or like
accessories subsidising consoles.
I think it's brand new ways to buy consoles that are that cost
$2000, that cost $1500. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I may be taking a leak, but we've had this conversation
before, me and you either on the podcast and aside from it, but
the only other piece of technology I can liken this to
is mobile phones. Absolutely, which are
extortionate when you think what The thing is.
They're like 1000 lbs, aren't they?
Over that, yeah, some of the Samsung ones are like nearly
1500 for a mobile phone. What is it?
A web browser in your pocket and a phone like.
And the enthusiasts buy one every year 18.
Months. No.
Yeah, psychopaths do. That psychopaths.
Normal people. Normal people tend to buy one
every two to three years. Yeah, a console has a seven-year
life, 7 to minimum years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you're talking like a brand new like high performance PC
that would launch right now with an Xbox logo on it, how long
would that realistically last with the likes of FSR 4IN it and
with games maybe being perfectly optimised for what would become
lower performance in the future? Let's say it's a nine 7 to 9
year life and it's a 1500 dollar $2000 investment.
Would it be ridiculous that Xbox or gaming in general start phone
contract style purchase models? Yeah.
So financing them, yeah. You finance it through through
Xbox or through a phone company, whatever.
Yeah. There's mobile phone companies
that already do it. Yeah.
And and honestly, when you when you click on like the
PlayStation website, they are big to flash up leasing right
now leasing I did, I wouldn't expect it from.
Them just renting. It, yes.
So you literally rent it for even less of the price it would
cost you to finance. Finance it so that you own it.
So maybe that's it. Maybe that's the way is leasing
it. I, I, I rather like owning
stuff, even if I have to pay it off over time.
So like when we were like discussing this, whenever it was
earlier today or last night, whatever it was, I was like,
well, if it's 1500 and they, if they managed to do the 0% thing
because everyone else can do it. All the phone contracts are 0%
in the Uki don't know about America.
In the UK pretty much every phone, if you go to a phone
contract place you'll get the phone for 0% like APR.
So you pay nothing on top of what this value is.
It's no different than if I just bought a bundle of cash and gave
it to him outright or if I paid part monthly.
So if it was 1500 let's say and it was a 48 month contract, so
and it's 0%, that works out at like £30 a month. £31.25.
There you go. So calculate £30 a month.
If you extract that out to to an 8 year thing.
I doubt they could do that, but. No, because because of they have
to have the asset thing there to repossess if you stop.
Paying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But here's here's my fantasy with it.
Let's say they do that, that they do 48 month deals on the
new really expensive Xbox and they call it Game Pass whatever,
and they include Game Pass in a fee.
So if it's 48 and it's 48 months and it's 30 lbs, let's say it's
£40 a month, £45 a month and you get Game Pass as well.
I know us die hard gamers wouldn't accept that because
because it's such a big change. It's a bit like game key cards.
It's a bit like digital, like us die hard to be like, no way,
that's ridiculous. But I think like the families of
this world, the kind of general consumers who are the people
that buy things en masse. Yes, yeah, yeah.
I think it would be more acceptable.
Absolutely is a mobile phone setup.
Yeah, yeah, for the the average people that game, which is a
lot, a lot of people you think how many people like have
Nintendo Switches, have Playstations and stuff that are
not like die hard, but they want to play, I don't know, GTA or
FIFA or whatever it is. Like I think a lot of people
would do that. You know, I really do think a
lot of people would do that. I mean we all do it with mobile
phones anyway. Like, well, the majority of us.
Because again, I'd I I wouldn't even want to drop like 1200 on a
phone sickens me. Do you know what I mean?
I'm on a contract where I can give it back at any time and
just swap it out for a different one.
I'm fine with that and I don't care about owning a phone, but
like a gaming console is different to me.
Do you know what I mean? Like I, I would want to own
that, but if there's options for people that like leasing things,
then that's. And also options for people that
still want to buy it outright. It will always have that option
that would always definitely be there.
It's like if if you've saved up and you want to just cash in
like bam, do it then totally totally fine you.
Know, I think that the whole tone of this, this line of we
need new business models. There's going to be ways of
purchasing that we wouldn't have imagined a year ago.
The only thing I can liken it to is mobile phones and what that
stun of mobile phones has allowed them to make squeeze in
technology that they couldn't ordinarily afford to do when
phones were a lot cheaper. And now you have, yes, it is a
web browser, but it's a highly capable, like the iPhone process
is highly capable. They put it in the new.
MacBook neos you can play like Resident Evil with like ray
tracing on your mobile. It's insane.
It's ridiculous. Like I why are phones that
powerful like? But they could only afford to do
that because of the purchasing model.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If the only way to buy the new
iPhone was buy outright and it was always like 15112 hundred,
they wouldn't sell nearly as many.
Oh, they wouldn't sell any. Well, yeah, they would be like
20% of what they're selling because most people can't afford
that, so they have to finance it.
And that's the thing, you know. What this actually means, we'll
we'll find out in the course of time.
But like, it's not a great position for Xbox to be in.
They're not in a great position. There's even talk of like there
might be mass layoffs next month.
Yeah, I and that's, that's the, the sad thing.
And I, I know everyone's going to blame Asha for it because,
you know, we'll be her fault in a way.
But like, really, it's kind of the lead up.
She keeps saying like we can't expect to do the same thing and
expect the same results, which is absolutely right, you know,
definition of insanity and all that stuff.
And it, she didn't put them in that position.
I mean, she didn't spend 20 billion like, you know, on
Activision Blizzard King to then see what was it like, how many a
year on year decline in profit like.
And she was like, we literally just can't do this.
It like it'd be stupid to because they will just end up
going like just disappearing. They'll become Sega and just,
you know, be a publisher, which, you know, that is what it is.
But yeah, so I can imagine this coming and hitting quite a lot
of employees, unfortunately. There's talk of like they they
may even shut. A studio may be shut down.
Yeah, yeah. She's keen to talk about
Blizzard and Activision quite a lot so.
Yeah, because they I. Wanted some of their studios.
Yeah, maybe I I don't know, like I feel like they're big assets
for for Xbox. I mean, king is what mobile
king, isn't it? So like all the mobile stuff,
but lizard make a shared ton of money even just off World of
Warcraft. Still, you know, there'll be
millions, 10s of millions of subscribers that pay monthly
just to be on that game, you know, so that that's like paid
for itself. Activision, Call of Duty paid
for itself. Do you know what I mean?
Like, so I can't imagine like, the big studios getting shut
down. If there's like subsidiary
companies within them that I have no idea about, then yeah,
maybe maybe they get like kicked out.
Yeah, you think like inside Activision, there's studios
inside that though because they share out like.
Yeah, yeah. There'll be one team working on
one thing, one another one doing that.
So yeah, I suppose that's going to be the case then within
those. But there there's a lot of other
studios in there. There's a lot of other Xbox
studios other than. Those 3 Call of Duty, there's an
argument you don't need it every year.
But I don't want it every year. I much prefer it every two
years. Like they do a battlefield.
Yeah, like. Every few years there's a new
one and it's a big deal when it happens.
I'm I'm alright being it more often the battlefield.
So like every every two years would be fine.
And then after the first year do a big update, just throw some
more maps in. That's all you need to do.
It's all people want. Yeah.
And then people will get their money's worth.
Especially now it's not on Game Pass.
You're going to have to pay for the game outright.
Like I feel like a year comes around real quick.
Like I feel like we're at Gamescon yesterday and we're
going to be going there again like in a minute, you know?
So I would like to see that model change, even though they
won't because that pulls in a crap load of money for them.
So I can't see why they would, but.
You know, depressing stories about money and things costing a
fortune. Would you like another one?
Yes, because there was a leak on the Steam machine pricing.
I almost made this the headline story for for this episode but
it was too negative. Yeah, I know it's too.
Depressing. If this is true, it's DOA
because this price leak suggests that it's going to be between 13
and 1500. Dollars, yeah, plus like taxes
on top. What?
What's? Happening, man.
It's insane, isn't it? If it's 13 to 1500, like I was
saying 750 to 1000 and people thought we were nuts for.
Saying I thought we were nuts for saying that.
Absolutely nuts. And like, people were like
getting real angry about it. We pinned it, it's like it's
going to be same price as APS 5 pro.
Yeah, it's going to be. Yeah, that's exactly where I was
expecting it. But now it's broken into like
1300 to 1500. I mean, this is like supposedly
a leak, right? So it could be a lot of rubbish.
It could be the top tier model that comes with like 2 Steam
controllers or whatever, and it's the two terabyte model or
whatever. You know, like maybe it's that.
But if it starts at 1300 and goes to 1500, now you're in
trouble. Well, I go back to what Ashley
Sharma said, and there's a reason why I put it in this
order when she talked about component prices doubling in her
first month and then doubling again since then.
Yes. I feel like there's actually
some truth to it being over $1000.
Yeah, totally. That's why it's not come out
yet. It was meant a launch in Q1 this
year. We're like approaching Q3.
Yeah, there we are. Yeah.
And it's still not out and all they've done is say it's come in
this year, summer or whatever it's like.
Summer this year. And no price, no price. $1500
for tax. I would rather buy the MSI claw
8EX AI plus. Yeah. 100% I think there's an
argument there to getting the 1X player 3.
Yeah, right, if you've got that. Kind of money to be spending on
PC gaming yeah I'm sorry I loved the idea of the steam machine
and I was holding out to buy one but as we get closer and closer
to it and it's seems more more likely that it's well over 1000
lbs yes I cannot there there is no part of me even for videos
there's no part of me that can justify that it makes.
No sense, it's just not worth it.
It's just not worth it. No, for the performance,
performance that you're getting as well.
I know that's the thing because like say APS 5 Pro will be more
performant. So it's, it's kind of like,
well, it's such a tough one, isn't it?
Obviously if you've got a huge Steam library already, then it
makes some kind of sense. But I could just argue that you
could just buy a laptop or or an actual you could.
Desktop like APC from like second hand components, Yeah,
you could outperform it, yes, yeah.
Do you know what I mean? You could like get an RTX 3070
probably be fine. Oh yeah, it would be, yeah,
totally. If you weren't used, you could
easily buy a a better system than this for that money.
Yeah, components have gone up even in the use prices
obviously, but but you could easily match that, yeah.
But have they gone up to the point where you couldn't build
to Steam Machine performance levels if it was $1500 I.
No, I don't know. You'd be cutting it fine, but at
least you'd have your own like mini ITX case and your own
components you could wap out. The only thing that's user
serviceable in that is the storage.
Yes, the only thing this has going for it is how small it is
and portable. Be very easy, just stick in a
bag. This like if you're travelling
around often, you know, like staying in hotels or something,
be very easy. But I would then argue if you're
travelling around all the time, you're probably on trains.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you're probably on trains,
planes, buses, whatever. Just get a handheld.
Then you can keep playing. And then you could just dock
that in your hotel. You know, this seems like if
this came out a year before it was announced and it came out at
that like 500 price point, it would have won so hard.
But it's just so unfortunate the Valve went check this out, it's
going to be great. And we went and then like all
the AI pricing just went and just killed it from like
literally doubling, tripling. Of prices.
It's that Steam Machine curse, isn't it?
Yeah, everyone always talks about it.
It is a cursed name. I I don't know where they go
because manufacturing would have happened.
Product will be in hand. The longer they leave it, the
more outdated it gets. Yeah.
And and the more it's going to rise in price, if Ashley is
saying by the end of next year, it's going to be 5 times more
than a few months ago in terms of pricing, then it's just going
to go up in price if they keep delaying it.
The only thing they could do, I think that could keep people
happy is they launch it. It's going to have an eye
warring launch price, but it will sell out.
I can guarantee this will sell out because diehards really want
it. Like fans really want this and
that's cool. Like the Steam Steam Deck
pricing when that happened, it's still sold out when it came back
into stock because fans want it. They do the initial run, it
sells out and then they don't restock it.
Just don't restock it and wait, wait for the price correction to
happen next year, the year after.
Just leave it out of stock. Yes yeah.
And then re re look at it, look at a .5 version, an upgrade of
some kind. Yeah, yeah.
Because I I don't think they're a company of the size that can
absorb cost. No, I don't think they said
originally that they wouldn't be.
Yeah, so yeah, I, I feel bad for him.
And everyone hates on us for hating on Valve, and it's like
we don't hate on Valve at all. It's just the reality of it.
Like if you're expecting us to pay 500 and now it's going to be
1500 like this, this ain't doing 8K60, you know what I mean?
Like don't like the original PS-5?
Yeah, this is going to be doing like 4K.
Well, not even. I don't even think they said it
could hit 4K60 with upscaling, did they?
So like it's not even going to be doing that.
So I don't know, like I don't know.
If you've got this hooked up to an older monitor, like a 1080
PPC monitor or A14P, you know, then yeah, yeah, OK mate, You'll
probably haven't, all right? You'll probably be fine.
Yeah, but but the value that's not there.
And it's designed to connect to your TV.
This is a whole play for the lounge and like most people now,
especially gamers, have a four KTV.
They have a decent 4 KTV. All right.
You don't have to rub it in just because you put on OLED.
Last week. Most of us have an OLED now. 120
Hertz. VR HDR, you know, most of us
know, but like gamers do, don't they?
They. Yeah, yeah.
So if you can't hit the the resolution of the screen that
you're attached to, it's going to look rubbish.
Yeah, imagine like putting out 1080P and you've paid £1500 for
it. That yeah, that that's what's
mad about right now is just the pricing of everything is and.
And I just feel really bad for Steam because I wanted this to
be brilliant. I wanted.
I was so excited when. They yeah, I still think the
device itself is going to be brilliant if you don't look at
the price. Yeah, the aesthetics of it, the
the whole thing, I was like, brilliant.
It's going to work fantastic. And also it was like, oh,
there's another console in the living room.
Now I personally love that idea. There's a missing space.
And yes, but if Valve are going to fill it, then wicked.
But like Asha Sharma said about the Xbox, families aren't
affording $2000 PCs. No $2000 console, No, no, no.
Now the Steam Machine was always aimed at PC Master race and was
hopefully going to be an affordable way into TV PC Master
race. Not many people are like me
where their partner allows them to have a full size tower
plugged into the TV and another one by the couch with a flipping
flip out screen on it. Do you know what I mean?
Like it's just excessive, isn't it?
So most people don't like that. Whereas this tiny little cube
was going to be brilliant. And I really like the thing, and
I just feel really that this might kill the Steam Machine
name again, you know, if it doesn't do well.
And that's not Valve's fault. That's the market's fault.
I want to finish on a positive note because there was about 10
roughly 10,000 games announced this week.
We we might have to go through them as our like favorite
upcoming games. I do to not miss out on, you
know, that's a separate video. Yeah, I think we're going to
have to do like a upcoming game city because it's just too many.
There's two. I'm looking at the list of like
the highlights from Summer Game Fest Xbox Direct.
There's too many I've added to it as well.
Yeah, Can I just start it off with the thing that I'm
obviously want to talk about all the time, which is Final
Fantasies 7 Revelations? They gave us a treat at Summer
Game Fest, Yes. And it was a good like 10
minutes of and I've watched all the interviews since.
It's it looks like everything and more.
For like Final Fantasy 7 fans, it's like it's everything and
more. It looks, yeah, it looks
incredible. Yeah, it really does.
And all platforms simultaneously.
That's what shocked me was wow, all platforms.
Just seeing Nintendo Switch up there made, I was like, yes,
like, and all platforms because they released it on PS-5 and no
one bought it, you know, offered Part 2 and that's when Square
went well, we're not doing exclusivity anymore then.
And I think that's right. Like release it on everything
and then people have a choice. You know, I I think that should
be the way you. Want to play it?
Yeah, exactly. So seeing this coming out
everywhere at the same time I am really hyped but now I don't
know what to play on. Yeah, there's too much.
Choice. Why isn't it exclusive?
Make it exclusive the PlayStation.
Yeah, it's PlayStation, isn't it?
We do. There was some huge
announcements in Summer Game Fest as well, like the Top and
tail, Resident Evil, Code Veronica remake.
Yeah. That's coming, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, I was so excited for you
in that I was like, yeah. Yeah, I went back and started
playing the Code Veronica X Yeah, and on PlayStation there's
two versions. So I bought the PS4 version,
which is just a direct port of the PS2 version, but it's the
PAL version, which is only 50 Hertz, so it plays like crap.
Yeah, Yeah, because we're in the UK, but they've also now made it
available to stream only the PS3 version, which was a remake of
the PS2 version. There's NTSC.
Yeah, well, yeah, it's NTSC and it's got wide screen like mods
in it and stuff so that you can actually like play a full
screen. So I'm probably end up going to
stream it even though I bought the the PS4 version do.
You think you'll be able to complete it before 2027 because
that's when the remake comes. Some some just absolute massive
ones. Alien Isolation 2 was kind of
reconfirmed, given us a bit of a teaser of that Jen Atlas from
the creator of Shadow of Colossus and Icoi don't know if
those games ever kind of tweaked.
On the radar, yeah, I love the look of them.
But. But yeah, I, I never really
played them myself personally, yeah.
Fair enough. And on the summer game test, I
want to give a shout out to there's a new Stella Blade.
I know, yes. And something I wasn't
expecting, and I don't know if it'd been announced before, but
Platinum Games working on a Ninja Turtles.
I know. Yeah.
No, it looked dark. Awesome.
It looked incredible. The last Ronin I was like, yes.
I want this to be like 90s style, like more violent
turtles. Absolutely.
But I think we will we'll go through game by game or like our
upcoming games that we're excited for because there's so,
so many. There's just too many.
Yeah, Xbox direct. Just want to say Xbox have gone
exclusive again. Yeah, for two games.
Yeah, Gears E Day, which looked really cool.
I cannot wait, this looks fantastic.
Now, what is it about Gears that divides opinions so much?
I don't know. There's a lot of people I talk
to really hate the the control systems like the Oh yeah, I
cover. Yeah, but it's just old, like
it's clunky, you know? I mean, like it's heavy, but
that is the whole point. Like they're massive, like £300
dudes, you know, like look at the gear they're wearing stuff.
They're all just so roided out, they can hardly breathe.
So. But yeah, there's they're like
big dudes. I kind of felt like it felt
good. Do you know?
I mean, because it was like felt real, like clunky.
I I went up and replayed them. Yeah.
I felt like it could have been tweaked.
But that's what they've done here.
They've ground up, redone it. And when you look at E Day, it's
very fast, like in terms of gears, the cover system's been
adapted. You can now lay down, you can
climb over stuff like parkour and over like 2 floored things.
Like it looks brilliant, you know, I don't know.
If you didn't like the old ones, definitely try this one I would
say. And I hope they bring back the
Co-op thing as well. It is.
It's 4 player card. It's. 4.
Player It's 4 player card. Yes, that's great because we
played it and it's kind it was we played is 5 was it?
Yeah, whatever it was called the last one, they're like weird
open worldy bits in it. Yeah, and it's kind of three
player, but it wasn't really. It was two player cop and one
person could be a robot. Yeah, they're kind of just flew
around ZAP stuff and it was bugged into walls.
Yeah. Oh, do you remember?
Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah.
We got stuck for ages. Yeah, that was annoying, but
there there was a bunch in the Xbox Direct Fable got a date as
well. Yeah.
They released 30 minute gameplay as well.
Have you seen it since Did? You watch it, the IGN thing
where it's got the like dev or whatever talking through it.
I watched that this morning when I was eating breakfast and it
looked amazing. You.
Can just say like super hyped for that.
Like I'm hyped for. So much of this there's.
So many games that are coming, so hyped for it.
And yeah, I think we're just being spoiled.
It's been, it's been a really good summer season.
I found it so funny that we were all like, where's the games?
Like, where are all the games? And they're like, you know,
what, Do you want them all in September?
Because that's when we're giving them to you.
So here's like 30 games all dropping in September.
And I was like, oh, no, we'll start the games, delay the
games. Yeah, don't give me all the
games like there's too many games, OK?
November, you can have two games.
There's two games in November. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
GTA, obviously, and Barbie and probably Zelda.
Yeah. Has, we've said it before,
Nintendo the only publisher of games that could?
Release take on Rockstar, Yeah. Absolutely.
And it not effects them. Yes.
And I think Ocarina Time is going to be November because
it's a free hit for them like. Yeah, Christmas.
Right before Christmas, Yeah. Yeah.
What does it matter? Yeah.
Yeah, I think we'll we'll cover this in more detail because
there's so many. It's just too much.
We'd be here for three hours. Yes, and I've got to go and pick
up APS 5 Pro. Yeah.
So I'm sorry, everyone. I've gone back to my roots.
It took me a couple of years when I got back there, Yeah.
Tell you all about it in the next week's podcast.
Oh, and and to everyone that when I said I was going to sell
the Xbox to put towards the PlayStation 5 because I've got
PCs and I didn't need it, my wife wanted to keep the Xbox.
So you're going. To sell APC.
No, no, we're just not selling the Xbox.
I love it. That's great.
I want to know though, before we get into the games, I want you
to let us know what you're most looking forward to that's coming
up. What games is exciting you and.
If you would spend that much money on a steam machine.
That, well, that's exactly what I was just going to say.
Or like, what is your final prediction of price for the
Steam Machine? Because I've got a gut instinct
that we're going to hear about it in the next week or two.
I think it's finally going to drop.
Everything's, everything's ramping up to it.
What's your final price prediction?
I'm going with 12950. Starting price 1099. 1099 it's
good $11.00 Wow. Yeah, yeah.
No 1000, 1100. Oh, by five.
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, that's it, 1090.
Nine. OK, 1099, it's yeah, I'll get
1299 for me then. OK.
There you go, but let us know what your final predictions are
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