1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,520 OK, so it's been a perfectly normal week where nothing major 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,120 has happened. There's not been any fallout 3 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,280 from anything, just a real quiet week in gaming. 4 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,760 Andy. So I didn't even know if there's 5 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,560 a need to do a podcast this week, to be honest. 6 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,240 That's, yeah, that's true. You know, sometimes there's a 7 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,160 part of, you know, gaming life where just nothing happens and. 8 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,440 Nothing happens. Oh, I don't know if you heard 9 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,720 about this DLSS five thing. Oh yeah. 10 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,480 The next Gen. upscaling. Right. 11 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,840 OK, I want to premise this with the title because for the 12 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,200 longest time we've been like NVIDIA getting into PC handhelds 13 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,760 when please hurry up because of what they do and like the magic 14 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,480 they've done with the Switch to. So when we were first coming up 15 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:43,480 with the podcast at the start of the week, we always have a 16 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:47,920 tentative title and it was NVIDIA handhelds when please, or 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,720 something along those lines. And then DLSS 5 came along. 18 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:57,120 We were like NVIDIA, could you stay away from our hat nails 19 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,200 please? Oh, my days, Yeah. 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,680 I mean, it's, but yeah. There's so much to talk about. 21 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:05,960 Isn't there is There's just so much. 22 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:08,640 There's so. Much I kind of want to go like 23 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,000 the good, the bad and the ugly. I want to keep balanced with 24 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 this because there was parts of it where my initial reaction in 25 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,040 seeing the dealer that says 5 announcement from NVIDIA was 26 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,720 like, holy wow, OK, this is generational stuff. 27 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Yeah. And then there was some parts. 28 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,080 I was like, it's just like a Snapchat demonstration. 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,480 What's going on here? So when when I sent it to you 30 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,400 and we made that first title like Oh my God, it, it was late 31 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,440 here in the UK, it was like I said, late. 32 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,920 I go to bed at like 9 at night 9 PMI. 33 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,480 Was still having my dinner. It was late for me, all right. 34 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,920 My bedtime is at 9:00 PM because I get off insanely early because 35 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,320 I'm a psychopath. So I was going to bed at like 9 36 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,040 or something like that. And I, I got the tweet or 37 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,200 whatever and I just saw that like horribly compressed, like 38 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,000 side by side of of Grace, which we'll talk about later. 39 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,400 And I was like, what like DLS And then I saw like my Twitter 40 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,920 feed just full. So I didn't really look, I mean, 41 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:10,639 that's one for tomorrow. And I just sent you the like 42 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,040 headlining one and then went to bed and that was that was it. 43 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,280 And then obviously I blew up. But I want, I do want to say 44 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,560 something really divisive, divisive here. 45 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,480 Like it's going to start some people up, I'm sure. 46 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,480 I still believe with our original title, I've still want 47 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:31,400 NVIDIA to get into a. 100,000 million percent and primarily 48 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,280 based off my blind faith of how amazing the switch to is and 49 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,800 what it can do at such low power. 50 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,640 If they were to have like remove the kind of budget caps that you 51 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:46,280 get with a Nintendo device having to be sold sub 500 lbs 52 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:51,040 and move into like an Asus style device, then you go like well, 53 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,200 they could really do some amazing stuff RTX inside and 54 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,600 they'll see they're partnering with Intel into the future. 55 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:01,040 There's loads of I'm with you. I'm I still stand by our 56 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,640 original thought that I do want them involved and I think it 57 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:06,840 would be fantastic for the space to have to have them in there. 58 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,520 Yeah, I'm going to start with the good bits, OK, before we get 59 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,640 into the bad bits, because I know there's everyone's got 60 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:15,280 pitchforks out. Can I can I guess the first one? 61 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:22,320 You love Snapchat? Is that the first point? 62 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,720 I'm a massive Snapchat fan. I always like. 63 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,560 I also like those cheap like Chinese phones that have like 64 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,040 the face filters by standard. Let's smooth your skin out. 65 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:37,200 Huge fan of those. No, my my gut reaction was once 66 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,720 I let the dust settle and I saw everyone's kind of vitriol was 67 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,480 game. Certain games actually look 68 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:50,080 really good with this, primarily ones that had terrible lighting 69 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,560 to begin with, because this is in a if you were to take an 70 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,760 umbrella view of it's essentially trying to affect how 71 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,120 lighting is processed. It's kind of like generative 72 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,320 lighting, isn't it? That's what they claim. 73 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:11,080 So those games like Starfield, which I really liked as a game, 74 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,680 but it has some huge issues, and one of those huge issues was 75 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,320 that the world feels very flat, the lighting. 76 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,279 Is. Really bad in it and when you 77 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,960 see like the environments of like you know, inside rooms and 78 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,960 how with the LSS 5 on suddenly like reflections of objects 79 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,360 bring them to life and suddenly you get loads more detail in the 80 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,040 world around you. I was like, Oh well, this is 81 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:36,800 this is game changing. That's kind of what you want. 82 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,840 I totally agree with you there. Like, let's not talk about MPCS 83 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:42,600 and people like, for a second, like, yeah, yeah. 84 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,840 Just environmentally the change is like monumental on a game 85 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:49,120 like that where, like you said, it is very flat. 86 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,800 It looks like really old. Do you know what I mean? 87 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,360 Like, even though it's not, it looks like an old title. 88 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:57,320 And this looked to change like when I've seen those like 89 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,040 slideshow things like on and off, you know, I was like, wow, 90 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,400 like this actually looks to improve. 91 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:07,200 And my first thought wasn't even to do with modern games. 92 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,440 My first thought would be this is revolutionary for old titles. 93 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,440 If they could somehow like just implement like or force DLSS 5 94 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,680 on from like the driver level on certain games, Like you could 95 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,280 turn really old games into something that looks like 96 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,560 actually modern like because some people can't get over the 97 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,120 old visual thing. I'm totally fine playing like 98 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,800 Resident Evil 1 non remaster, you know, like and and play like 99 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:34,840 old school PlayStation graphics. I can do that. 100 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:36,960 Some people can't. They literally go now it's old 101 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,600 and it's like, yeah, but that doesn't detract from the 102 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,080 gameplay or the story, you know? But so for those kind of people, 103 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:45,440 or if it's just like really bad resolution, if you could like 104 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,400 like just fake it up a bit and make it look like pretty or 105 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,000 whatever, I, I think that could be an amazing point for this 106 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,280 technology. Yeah, absolutely. 107 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:59,520 And also like with our like handheld bias on when we're 108 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,640 looking at devices that are running low wattage AP us that 109 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:07,680 that will probably never have the the power capacity to run 110 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,720 like path tracing and stuff. Just because the limitations of 111 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:16,680 a battery in a, in a low wattage having having this perhaps give 112 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:22,720 scope for the ability to run better ray tracing inside of a 113 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,640 handheld device of a game. Well, like a handheld optimized 114 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,960 version, there's potential there for that to be really exciting. 115 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,440 Yeah, yeah. I guess we have to just kind of 116 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:39,080 issue like huge caution because when you really dive into it, 117 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:44,840 there's some really like dark bits of it that just that that 118 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:47,240 fill me with fear, if I'm honest. 119 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,120 I think before we get into like the specific bad bits, it's like 120 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,680 developers have to be involved with this at like the most 121 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:02,240 basic, deep fundamental level to implement it correctly to be to 122 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,120 be providing the models for training. 123 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,920 If this is using some kind of generative AI that they have to 124 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,920 be like these are the strict models at the highest possible 125 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,400 resolution and lighting. This is how it looks at its 126 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,240 absolute best. So you need to recreate this and 127 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:24,040 if that doesn't happen, which that's a huge added workflow for 128 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,920 four teams. So I'm not sure if that will 129 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,560 happen. It feels like it might be 130 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,000 they're hoping that it'll just be a lazy on off switch kind of 131 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,800 job. Yeah, I mean looking at it, it 132 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,800 looks like it's not game specifically trained. 133 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:41,640 So it's not like like let's just take Capcom because they took 134 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,320 Requiem as an example. It's not trained within the 135 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,760 game's assets and how it's going to look and helped by the 136 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,480 developers. It is just a one fits all 137 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,600 generative AI that will make every game look the same 138 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,080 effectively like providing that it's it stays like that. 139 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,800 That's that's absolutely and that's told out by Grace. 140 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:08,720 That is such a perfect example. And I think Digital Foundry 141 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,680 actually covered it really well in their second video. 142 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,360 We'll talk about the first video later because of the fallout's 143 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,520 been huge. But in the second video where 144 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,600 they where they specifically focus in on Grace and like her 145 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,360 character and you've played the game a lot. 146 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:25,200 So you can kind of mirror this, her character and that time in 147 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:30,880 the game, she's meek, she's fearful, she's going into a 148 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,440 hugely emotional moment where she should look sad and washed 149 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,240 out. And that that adds to the 150 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,159 connection to the character in this point of the story. 151 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,559 Yes, absolutely. And they put DLSS 5 on and 152 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,680 suddenly she's posing for Instagram. 153 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,360 She's got pouty lips, strong cheekbones that weren't there. 154 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,120 Yeah, well, it's just. Makeup on, Yeah. 155 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,000 It just looked like she'd gone makeup on, Makeup off. 156 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,400 Do you know what I mean? It's like a Grace doesn't even 157 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:57,720 look like she would do that on the weekend. 158 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,280 Do you know what I mean? Like when you're playing as 159 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,360 Grace, the vibe you get from her is she's like me with the blinds 160 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,240 down doing her work. Do you know what I mean? 161 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,840 Like she's in like the very first scene is her like in an 162 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,600 FBI office and you could tell she's like heavily focused on 163 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:12,880 what? She didn't look like a party 164 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:13,840 girl. Do you know what I mean? 165 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,200 Like, and her personality is absolutely not. 166 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,400 She's stutters. She's very kind of worried and 167 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:25,280 introverted, you know, and like you said, super traumatic part, 168 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,560 part of that game at that moment where they showed that filter on 169 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:31,560 and off. And it's like, why the hell 170 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:33,480 would she be there? Like putting lipstick, garden, 171 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,960 mascara and like, you know, doing blush. 172 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,880 And all this stuff, yeah. Like to go into this like Murder 173 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,560 House, like you wouldn't be doing that. 174 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:44,880 So when Alex from Digital Foundry brought that up, that 175 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,600 was the first thing I thought when I when I sat down the day 176 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,320 after that launch thing and I looked at it, I was like, and 177 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,960 the reason why it doesn't look like Grace is not that they've 178 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,880 changed the character model or anything. 179 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,120 They've, it's just not her. Do you know what I mean? 180 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,200 Like, that's not her personality. 181 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,760 That's not something she would do if you didn't know the game. 182 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,240 You're just looking at, oh, look at this person on and off. 183 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,760 OK, yeah, actually, you know, I will say it looks pretty cool. 184 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,200 Like you're like, wow, look at that. 185 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,440 It's like very like, like you said, the lighting's different. 186 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,720 Like it does look different. But when you know the game and 187 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,480 you know the character, it's like, what what you doing? 188 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,520 It's like the Jim Carrey thing. Do you know what I mean? 189 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,680 Like everyone, that's when you know Jim Carrey and you know, 190 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:24,360 he's come out and said like, I will never do like plastic 191 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,000 surgery. Like if that happens, they've 192 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,480 got me is like something he's said like and all that. 193 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,920 And then like he came out with that thing. 194 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,800 I don't even know what the Hell's going on with that, by 195 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,680 the way, but but I just saw. People talking about it, yeah. 196 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:40,800 That is literally DLSS 5 on and off. 197 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,560 Like for him, his personality, his character is so out of the 198 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:47,520 blue it doesn't make sense. But if there's a random person, 199 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:48,680 you'd be like, all right, yeah, fine. 200 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:54,440 It looked like it looked as ridiculous as if you've ever 201 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,120 played like a very serious game with mods on or with like a 202 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,080 character creator option and you make them ridiculously large or 203 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,600 like like a massive head, you know what I mean? 204 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,720 And then they're playing out in the cutscene or something really 205 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,560 serious is happening. You're like, oh, that's just 206 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:12,920 destroyed the entire story, all the emotions gone out of it. 207 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,280 There's like a really weird option like, I don't know, like 208 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:24,680 Instagram mode on and it, it showed, I think AI or not, it, 209 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:30,000 it showed such a fundamental lack of understanding of the 210 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,280 story and that that means like a a bigger problems at play here 211 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,560 that they're not actually paying attention to what it is. 212 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:42,480 Yes, and that that shows that the devs have not been involved 213 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,000 in this because they would have gone 100% absolutely not if they 214 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,960 showed like 10 faces and would have said which one would you 215 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,640 pick? It would have been the polar 216 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,040 opposite of that that one that got chosen. 217 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,680 So that's that is the issue that I'm totally with you there. 218 00:11:54,920 --> 00:12:02,240 Like it doesn't make any sense. The the Leon one, I wasn't as I 219 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,000 wasn't as like disturbed by it. It just looked weird. 220 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,720 It just looked like, it's like, I don't imagine him like that, 221 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,880 but OK. But because there wasn't so much 222 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,200 of an emotional attachment to that moment and like how it 223 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,520 affected or would affect the story, it didn't bother me as 224 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:26,400 much. But it shows like a real, like 225 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,560 fundamental lack of care and understanding as to what people 226 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,800 are paying attention to in those moments. 227 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,320 Yes, yeah, they're. Just doing it just for its own 228 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,160 sake. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it looks like. 229 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:43,600 But I mean, it's hard, isn't it? Because they chose Requiem, 230 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,520 which is like the most modern release, Like it's just come 231 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,000 out. So it's like peak graphics right 232 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,560 now anyway. Like when I play Requiem, I put 233 00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:54,240 path tracing on and literally I'm playing that game, looking 234 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,440 at stuff going wow, like this is incredible. 235 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,080 It looks so good. And then so they're showing like 236 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,600 the best of and then they're like, but it could be better. 237 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:07,560 It's like A, like we've just discussed, no, but B, why are 238 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:10,800 you showing that now? Like take an old game and make 239 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,080 it look like that, get a potato and then show me it looked like 240 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,000 Leon afterwards. Now I'd be happy. 241 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,360 I'd be like, OK, this is cool. Like when they redid. 242 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,080 I'm just thinking of this off the top of my head because I 243 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,600 like Diablo. But when they redid Diablo 2, 244 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,920 you know when they do those remasters and you jump in the 245 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,800 game and you can go into the menu and toggle on and off and 246 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,280 either play like the original mode or like the new mode. 247 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:34,320 If it was like that, then brilliant. 248 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,040 Like, OK, we've remastered this game. 249 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,880 We've used AI like because it's easier for us, like we don't 250 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,800 want to spend too much money and time on it. 251 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,640 So this is kind of what you got. If you don't want that, then 252 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,680 turn it off. Like then I'd be all for it. 253 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:47,640 I'd be like this is brilliant, like well done. 254 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,480 But taking like the most modern title that literally dropped 255 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,760 like a couple of weeks ago, which is also peak like graphics 256 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,640 and then being like look at Snapchat like that just didn't 257 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,400 like sit well with me like at all. 258 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,840 It's jarring. It showed a lack of 259 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,200 understanding and that that was the the disturbing bit that 260 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,840 they're just kind of doing it because they can, even with the 261 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,920 characters that they showed in Starfield. 262 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,720 Just think about another game that I know deeply that that we 263 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,520 know deeply. The environments and the objects 264 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,520 looked great, but again, the faces looked disturbing and I 265 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,560 couldn't put my finger on what it was that was weird about it. 266 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:33,600 But it's the same visceral reaction I have to when you see 267 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:39,040 obviously AI videos of like avatars talking on Instagram or 268 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,440 whatever. You know, like when you see that 269 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:46,280 and that slightly porcelain skin and stuff like, oh, disturbing. 270 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,040 There was something about it with the Starfield characters 271 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,120 works. They showed the two MPCS that 272 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,920 you interact with right at the start I believe it was, and then 273 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:01,600 they showed the Sarah character as well who is like a pain in 274 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,240 your ass the whole way through the game and I'm just surprised 275 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,160 they didn't put the Sarah dislikes this underneath. 276 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,840 Yes, that would have been hilarious. 277 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,920 The one that got me was Hogwarts trailer bit. 278 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,280 With the kid. Because that one was like, are 279 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,360 you really just messing with lightning here? 280 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,240 Because the whole point of path tracing is that it's actually 281 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:29,760 simulating natural light, right? So this is how light would react 282 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,040 based on that light source, that light source, that light source. 283 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,440 Like it is in this room, even though it's just pretty flat 284 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:36,840 with me because it's just bright. 285 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,320 But regardless, like when you look at that one of Hogwarts, 286 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,600 he's outside like on like a chariot thing or whatever he's 287 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,520 on. Like he's outside, he's very 288 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,080 flat looking because it's diffused like evening time 289 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,600 lighting, which would be the reality. 290 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,720 There's no path tracing on that either, by the way. 291 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,960 But that is just like, OK, that's a pretty good simulation 292 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,000 of how it would look in real life. 293 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,040 Then they put DLSS 5 on. It's like paparazzi around him 294 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:04,400 with like loads of different light. 295 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,160 Yeah, there's like lights are all over him. 296 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,840 It's like where they come from, like if the camera spins around 297 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:09,960 and there are loads of wizard like. 298 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,400 He's even had like, like light, like hotspots. 299 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,760 Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like we'd call them hotspots in 300 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,720 video, like, like when, when the brightness those those areas are 301 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,800 blown out, like there's a light reflecting on him really close. 302 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,400 Like he's an Instagrammer and you go around to hold someone on 303 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,720 TikTok. And as I watched them back more 304 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,760 and more, just focusing on the characters, I was more and more 305 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,640 concerned that this isn't just not trained by the assets in the 306 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,240 game and not trained by the development team going this is 307 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,280 how we want them to look at their very best. 308 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,280 This feels like the data set it's been trained on is is 309 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:53,680 Instagram. You TikTok. 310 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,600 Or TikTok. It's like it's deeply 311 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,720 disturbing. And you're right, the Hogwarts 312 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,520 legacy ones was like well where's the where's the ring 313 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,480 light come from? I'd be surprised if I could see 314 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:04,520 it in their. Eyes. 315 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:05,440 Yeah, like me. Like if I. 316 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,160 Do that exactly that I literally. 317 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,640 Have a ring light. There like what? 318 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:12,440 What's it? What has it been trained on? 319 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,520 Yeah, it was. I think I'd even say it's 320 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,240 perturbing. Big word of the day I. 321 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:22,520 Like that, but it also made him look old and he's meant to be 322 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,280 like a 15 year old student, you know, like, and that, that was 323 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,319 the like weird bit. It's like, OK, I get where 324 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:30,280 they're going with it, but that, that does not make any sense. 325 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,240 Like it just didn't make any sense to me. 326 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,600 It, it reminded me a little bit of the do you know a few years 327 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,560 back there's a Samsung phone that said it could take pictures 328 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,600 of the moon. Yes. 329 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:45,400 And it just wasn't. 100 times zoom and do you know which one 330 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,160 was it? Was it Samsung or some other big 331 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,080 company got done for? Actually, when they zoomed in 332 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,840 far enough, it wasn't even the picture you'd taken. 333 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,600 It was pulling images off of Google. 334 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,480 And stitching them. Together to pretend like that 335 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,880 you'd taken that photo. That's what this is. 336 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,680 It's exactly that it's, it's fake. 337 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:13,480 And, and I understand the, the deep emotional reaction that 338 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,480 people have had. I don't understand the anger and 339 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,080 anger aimed at people like Digital Foundry had like death 340 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,080 threats and stuff. And it got like really out of 341 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,720 hand. Like that's a bit much. 342 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:29,600 Aim your distaste at NVIDIA because it's on them, this kind 343 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,440 of misstep and, and do it in a constructive way. 344 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,840 Like make sure you you can communicate with them that this, 345 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,840 the fake faces thing is not what you want in games. 346 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,280 Yes, we don't. We don't want that even question 347 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,640 to the point of how many of us actually want to play perfectly 348 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,280 photorealistic games. Exactly. 349 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,120 Yeah. And especially when everything 350 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:59,920 that has DLSS 5, it will look the same effectively, you know, 351 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:01,320 like. That's some real concern. 352 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,440 We're seeing those memes where it says like DLSS 5 on and off 353 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,400 and it's literally just like alpha like models with no 354 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,160 texture on them like on slash off it's like. 355 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,240 But that's that will literally be the case if it goes this 356 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,120 route because everything will just look the same. 357 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,840 So why even bother rendering out the base character underneath 358 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,160 when you can just guess like you know? 359 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,800 Yeah, just a Polygon triangle. This is girl. 360 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,080 This is boy. It's just cloud strife like PS1. 361 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,360 Exactly. That everything is just PS1 362 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:35,800 games again. Yeah, genuine concern is not 363 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,400 knowing what they've trained it on, because obviously Gen. 364 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,040 anything generative has to have a data set that it's basing it 365 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,400 from. Jensen was keen to stress that 366 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,560 it's based off the geometry that's in the game. 367 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,040 OK, can I just say that that sounds like half truth? 368 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,120 Yes, yes. Obviously it's based off the 369 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:55,000 geometry of the grain. Obviously it would have nothing 370 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,120 because then it would have nothing to attach to if it 371 00:19:57,120 --> 00:20:00,760 didn't. Like obviously is, but where 372 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:06,200 they're getting the actual face modeling from, it certainly 373 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,480 doesn't feel like it's close enough to what's in the game. 374 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,520 And if that is the direction of travel as you say, then doesn't 375 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,040 everything eventually just end up? 376 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,960 Looking like an approximation of of itself. 377 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,560 Everything becomes the same, yes. 378 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:26,960 So you'll have like this is like 10 typical male looking faces 379 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,360 like it'll just all end up like this is the option. 380 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:32,000 Yeah, yeah, and, and what about games that are stylized on 381 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,640 purpose, like hi-fi Rush or Overwatch? 382 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,720 Do they just all look the same? Like do they turned into a real 383 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,160 human face? Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. 384 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,360 Like, but all of it, because if the environment's getting 385 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:45,480 affected as well as the body models, like they would just 386 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:46,960 turn, turn into grace like or whatever. 387 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,240 Do you know what I mean? Like rather than how it's men to 388 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,080 look, I like, like the Minecraft, for example, like 389 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,640 how'd that work? You know, like it's just weird. 390 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,160 Like we'd just be square bushes, but like photos of real bushes. 391 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,200 Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 392 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:02,880 Look how. Many of us want to play that, 393 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,440 though. There's the other thing like I 394 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,000 like. We all like things looking cool, 395 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,920 and I love when you get to see like, lighting being affected 396 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,280 really well. Games like Resident Evil do a 397 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,280 really good job of that because they're dark and environmental. 398 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,280 Oh, it's. Amazing. 399 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,440 You can see rain. And refraction and stuff. 400 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,080 Changes everything like it really does so like. 401 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,320 Wake is another good. Example of another, another 402 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,760 great one, yeah, that needs all that atmosphere and it just adds 403 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,760 that level like with Rezi, because it's hot and fresh. 404 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,040 Like you turn path tracing on and objects are like now really 405 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,560 there like they can't the shadow as they really would. 406 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,280 Whereas even on like highest ray tracing, there's no shadow. 407 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,480 Just like, you know, lights are still reflecting well, whatever. 408 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,360 But like shadows aren't as good, reflections aren't as good, 409 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,160 light spill isn't as good. As soon as you put path tracing 410 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,560 on it, it really is that next step. 411 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,200 It's almost like what ray tracing should have been is what 412 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:03,120 path tracing is and and this DLSS 5, if it didn't affect the 413 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:06,640 character models, if it was applied to old games and it was 414 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,840 just environmental or even affect the character models, but 415 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,040 you know old games, I would be fine with it. 416 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:15,960 But I do not like the idea of it going forward like that. 417 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,800 All games look the same. Developers have no creative 418 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,440 control because that is my biggest fear is the loss of 419 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,640 creative direction. Again, take the grace example 420 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,000 like that. That says everything as to what 421 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,000 we referred to earlier. And like it's, it's a fear and 422 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,840 also OK, this, this is just a tech demo. 423 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,520 So we are all losing our minds over something that's true, not 424 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,560 real yet. Like it was just a proof of 425 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,360 concept. I do think it is using the 426 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:47,720 actual like geometry because if you take graces someone's done 427 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,400 like the side by side, overlaid them and then just turn them on 428 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,480 and off. It's the exact same model. 429 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,920 It just is like makeup applied and then like crazy lighting 430 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,040 that's not realistic to that scene and stuff like the 431 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,960 Hogwarts example. Certain ones though, like 432 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,080 Starfield and like Skyrim or whatever it was that they showed 433 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,480 that they do not look like the same character models like that. 434 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,680 As questionable as hell that is. But but yeah, I mean, they're 435 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,280 running like 250 nineties to get this like 1's running the game, 436 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,200 one's running the thing. In my mind, we're like 10 years 437 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,600 away from this yet. Like because you think how much 438 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:31,000 of A 5090 cost right now, like how all the GP US are now VRAM 439 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,560 limited everything is because VRAM like, well, just RAM in 440 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,840 general is like sky high through the roof, Steam Machines not 441 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,960 even out yet because it's got RAM issues. 442 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,480 Like they can't get enough of it, you know, like everything's 443 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,200 going to suffer for years for this and they're needing 250 444 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,360 nineties. That's like nearly 10 grands 445 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:52,640 worth of GPUs, like just to run this freaking new tech. 446 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,240 Like so the the realism of it coming down, trickling down to 447 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,880 like consumer level where it would actually be like the next 448 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,720 thing, especially handheld gaming. 449 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,560 We're well over like 10 years away. 450 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,680 Yeah, in my opinion, I don't even, I would question whether 451 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,600 we even get to anywhere close to what they've shown on a consumer 452 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,160 level. It feels it felt more like a 453 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,200 flex for shareholders and like a flex for this is what we can do. 454 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,760 They never questioned whether they should do it. 455 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,800 I thought it was really telling that one of the Capcom 456 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,960 developers said they had no idea that this was happening. 457 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:35,040 They said they found out as we found out and I think an Ubisoft 458 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:41,080 one said the same. Wow, it's kind of insane. 459 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,520 Yeah. And that that's a really 460 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,640 worrying one because that shows you that they've they've just 461 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,200 they got the sign off from the publishers to use the game 462 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,240 footage and that's it. So it cannot have been trained 463 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,560 on any of the models in the game because they didn't consult the 464 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,920 developers at all. Yeah, one of the Ubisoft 465 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,160 developers quoted as saying. We found out at the same time as 466 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,800 the public article in Insider Gaming. 467 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,520 Sorry. Now the ugly part is the fallout 468 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,680 from this as well. Yeah, people laying into 469 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,440 Bethesda first of all for obviously showing Starfield and 470 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,240 Skyrim, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure they 471 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:25,160 showed both of those. Yeah, they've basically come out 472 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,480 and said we appreciate everyone's excitement and 473 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,040 analysis. It's a very early look and art 474 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,320 teams are adjusting it for the final effect. 475 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,600 This will be under our artists control and totally optional for 476 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,200 players. So they're, I think everyone's 477 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,640 doing a bit of damage control here and like kind of climb back 478 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,560 on it. Apart from Jensen Huang, the 479 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:53,600 obviously CEO of NVIDIA, who just has doubled down in 480 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,720 response to the criticism, says, well, first of all, they're all 481 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,840 completely wrong. So Andy, your opinion is wrong. 482 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,880 You're not allowed to have your own thoughts. 483 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,800 And it goes on to talk about that they've, it was very 484 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,640 carefully based on fusing geometry inside the game. 485 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,520 It's controllable. And this isn't full generative 486 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,880 AI. It's geometry based fine tuning. 487 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,520 You can mirror art styles if you want. 488 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,800 If you want a cartoon shader or made of glass look, you can do 489 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,600 that. All of that control is with the 490 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,040 game developer and with the players to switch it on and off, 491 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,640 right? I don't think you get it. 492 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,360 Well, maybe that's where they they they've messed up like 493 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,360 maybe they should have maybe contacted Capcom gone by the 494 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:47,000 way, guys got this new tech. Would your devs like to just 495 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:51,120 make us a little teaser based upon how your artistic 496 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:52,880 direction, where you'd know the characters, know the game 497 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,760 direction, know everything about it might want to go Instead, 498 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,880 they just didn't even ask him, did it themselves and just went, 499 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:04,720 let's take TikTok as inspiration and Tik Tokified everyone, 500 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,560 right? If they'd had given Bethesda 501 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,200 like, you know, Capcom, Ubisoft, these tools and said, look, just 502 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,520 make us like a real quick like minute video or something using 503 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,440 your direction. This could have been the exact 504 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,240 opposite reaction. People could have absolutely 505 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,720 loved it, you know, because it would have then been in the 506 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,520 control and maybe have one of the guys. 507 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,480 I'm the lead designer of blah, blah, blah. 508 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,640 I work at Nintendo by the way, you know, just to reference. 509 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,160 Game Freak. Game Freak. 510 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,440 What was really exciting was being able to control the 511 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,480 lighting in a in a way that we've never been able to do 512 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,080 before because of the resources and yada yada yada. 513 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,920 And then say, here's Grace. And you can see now she looks 514 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,880 even more disturbed and upset with what she's about to 515 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,000 experience. Not like she's going out for a 516 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,200 party and she wants to get lucky. 517 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,200 Do you know what I mean? Like so, yeah. 518 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,960 There's, there's enough emotion around already about AIAI slop 519 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,800 generative AI being a problem. There's already enough like 520 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,720 emotional reaction. So we know that these AI tools 521 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,320 are implemented in in the pipelines now. 522 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,760 And we have to just, we have to be sensitive of it and 523 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,840 respectful of people's opinions. We can't just be like Jensen and 524 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,040 say you're just wrong. Yeah. 525 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,160 Yeah. Because ultimately they're the 526 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,600 customers. They're the people that want to 527 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,000 buy into this this art form and be entertained by it. 528 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:34,920 If if you felt really strongly about like CGI movies, you 529 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,720 wouldn't go out and watch the Marvel films. 530 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,960 Yes, yeah, because they're all CGI. 531 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,000 Exactly. Yeah. 532 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,320 But so you can't say to that person that doesn't like it. 533 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,840 They're wrong, but they just don't like it. 534 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,480 They don't like it. Yeah. 535 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,200 As a whole, games are a very passionate audience and that 536 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,000 they feel very strongly about this. 537 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,400 I think on the whole they're kind of realistic as well and 538 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,840 kind of accepting that some parts of this have to kind of to 539 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,040 come in in order to keep pushing forward and to keep games being 540 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:07,600 able to be made cost wise. But I think on the whole, most 541 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,800 people would have been OK with it if, like you said, they'd 542 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,920 gone into the developer Capcom and said, right, this is the 543 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,040 tech. Can you train it on the models 544 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,080 of Grace so we can show it before and after? 545 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,120 We want it to be as faithful to your direction as possible, but 546 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,760 we want her to look as good as she physically can. 547 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,440 Like wicked. Yeah, absolutely. 548 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,960 Great. Yeah, I would have been all for 549 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,560 that. And again, if they'd have been 550 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,120 very transparent with that, like we said a second ago, got the 551 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,640 devs there like showing their hype about it, explaining it, 552 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,920 showing the before and after of like how they wanted that 553 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,840 direction to go, it would have really changed everything. 554 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:49,640 It would have been a bigger thing. 555 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,800 It's almost like they rushed this out just because they were 556 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,200 impressed. They were like, Oh yeah, look 557 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,720 how tick tocky this one looks wicked. 558 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,400 Everyone will love it. Just whack it out. 559 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,640 And then everyone's going whoa, like, what the hell? 560 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,440 So yeah, it's. I felt bad for the Digital 561 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,160 Foundry guys. Yes, I did. 562 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,160 Not just the reaction they got, which is obviously bang out of 563 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,520 order, but the I felt bad because they were invited to the 564 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,720 demonstration and then immediately made a video without 565 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,200 having a chance to really take a beat and kind of just like 566 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,800 digest it all. And from having done those kind 567 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,760 of things ourselves, your immediate reaction from being 568 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,280 demonstrated something in a room where everything's exciting and 569 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,560 new and it's very fast-paced. You barely got time to write a 570 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,240 note down. You're just trying to like 571 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,520 remember everything and then you record. 572 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:44,560 It's really hard, like really hard to in in that time frame to 573 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,720 be like super balanced and to be like what? 574 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,240 What does that mean for game? You don't have time. 575 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,960 There's no time to. Reflect you just you just got to 576 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,040 go, yeah. You just got to go and you see 577 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,040 kind of basing off your emotions more than your logic is a 578 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:04,960 misstep from them to to not take more time to kind of like be 579 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,560 reasonable with it. But I get why their emotional 580 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,000 reaction at first was one of excitement because they're in 581 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,200 the headspace of the technical part of this. 582 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,280 Yes, it's a tech demo. So they weren't thinking about 583 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,840 the art, they were thinking about technically. 584 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,760 This is a a generational leap in technology and they're excited 585 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,200 by that. For all of us, it was a lot 586 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,520 easier because we, like you say, we had time to, like, wake up 587 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,280 the next morning and look at it again and go, oh, crap, what's 588 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,840 happening there? Actually, yeah. 589 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,840 I totally with you and to be fair to the DF guys like like 590 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,560 Ollie in particular, he he was saying, I think the faces are 591 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,280 going to be divisive. Like I think people are on like 592 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,720 potentially won't like this. Whatever he was more excited 593 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,240 about, again, what we said, the environmental effects, the 594 00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:00,080 lighting effects, how stable those effects were and he was 595 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,000 showing his excitement for that. And like if you watch that whole 596 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,960 video, they don't go on to say any of that until like towards 597 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,520 the end. So everyone's done the classic 598 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,720 thing that they do with our videos where they'll watch the 599 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,680 first 3 minutes, 5 minutes, whatever, and then base their 600 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,160 opinion on that and that alone. And it's like I watched the 601 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,080 fricking video. Like the amount of comments 602 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,280 where people will ask something that's in the video. 603 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,000 Just watch the video like it's chaptered. 604 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,360 You can literally go there yourself. 605 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,160 Do it. Like why are you asking? 606 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,040 I've seen a lot a reaction based off the title. 607 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,200 Yes. Oh, that. 608 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,720 That's all the time, yeah. It's like, well, you see, not 609 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:44,000 even actually watched it, but how this I think you're right. 610 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,600 I can say how this plays out. I think in truth, we we probably 611 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,600 don't even see this. We definitely don't see in in 612 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,880 the format that we're expecting. Yeah, we're absolutely a way 613 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,080 off. And if the reaction continues to 614 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,960 be as negative as it has been to specifically the character 615 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,640 modelling, I think publishers won't touch it. 616 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,560 Yeah, which should probably be a problem for NVIDIA, but. 617 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,800 Well, it's going to be an optional thing, isn't it? 618 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,640 Because it is going to be more demanding and if you want to, if 619 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:25,200 it has to be stacked with like another DLSS, do you know what I 620 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,280 mean? Like alongside because I think 621 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:33,480 that's what is happening, I think you've got DLSS 4.5 or 622 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,560 whatever it is currently. And then they were also running 623 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,000 DLSS 5 on top of it like separately. 624 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,120 Like it's going to be so unbelievably demanding and like 625 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,680 VRAM heavy. It's just not going to be 626 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,120 practical. And obviously, like the devs 627 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,800 won't fully utilize this anyway because like, look at AMD that 628 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,040 hasn't got this. I know, I know they'll make 629 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,120 their own, you know, and it'll probably be funny because it'll 630 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,200 probably be like, like worse in some way. 631 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,600 And I'm saying that as someone who's like main GPU is, is an 632 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,920 AMD card, right? So it's funny. 633 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,040 But yeah, I mean, I don't think everyone's got to worry just yet 634 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,320 that this is all you're going to get going forward. 635 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,880 It will be optional and of course like Intel manufactured 636 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,840 GPUs as well as AMD and they don't have it yet. 637 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,520 So it's not going to be something we need to be 638 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,840 concerned about just yet, I don't think. 639 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,360 Yeah, no, I'm with you. Let's smash it along. 640 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,760 I should say. Welcome back to 128 Podcast, 641 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,080 dude. Half an hour. 642 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:33,520 Again. Yeah, I. 643 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:37,400 Choose a lack of popular demand. I don't even know if I should do 644 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,159 the intros anymore, but you know, here we are. 645 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,320 We're, we're into the dessert part of the show. 646 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,480 You've had your meat and potatoes. 647 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:44,400 This is it. Stick around. 648 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,360 This is the interlude. I think AJ, you need to get your 649 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,480 like little keyboard out and do like a little interlude. 650 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,239 Do do go get your snacks, come back. 651 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,440 That's it, Yeah. That's it, yeah. 652 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,760 Beyond the massive fallout from NVIDIA, there has been other 653 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,720 stuff that's happened this week that's been kind of interesting. 654 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,280 Have you had time to play anything this week or have you 655 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,400 just been testing stuff? I have been doing a lot of 656 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,680 testing stuff, so much so I can't even think about what I've 657 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,240 been doing right now I. You've not been playing a 658 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:17,600 certain Nintendo game. I have been playing Pacopia, 659 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,800 yeah. Yeah, we not. 660 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,920 Not as much as I've been wanting to, but I've been jumping on at 661 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,600 least for like 10 minutes to get my stamp and to like maybe 662 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,840 initiate like a build that takes time. 663 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,600 So like I'll put a building on that takes like, oh, it'd be 664 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,280 ready by tomorrow. I might as well like just get 665 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,800 them all to do that since I can't play anyway. 666 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,560 Do you know what I mean? And then tomorrow when I log in, 667 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,120 it's there. So I have been playing, but 668 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,560 they're like, the time spent playing is like considerably 669 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,480 dropped. So yeah. 670 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,480 But I do want to get back into that like, pretty soon. 671 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,200 I'd love to just be playing Requiem and Procopia this 672 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,600 weekend, but it's my. Wife, I don't know how 673 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,200 emotionally you cope with that switch. 674 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,360 Oh, it's great. It's actually the perfect 675 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,280 opposite. So last weekend I was playing 676 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,080 Requiem. Yeah, again, incredible. 677 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,320 Like absolutely love it. I really like not rushing this. 678 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,280 Like I look forward to playing it at the weekend now because 679 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,160 I'm not, I'm not just like smashing it. 680 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,080 I like just playing on the weekend again. 681 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,800 This weekend, sadly, will be a no go. 682 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,480 Maybe on Sunday night. It depends. 683 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,920 We've got family and friends and stuff coming for my wife's 684 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,960 birthday, so if we kick them out, they can all leave and I 685 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,360 can play Requiem. But yeah, so and so playing 686 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,600 Requiem would be like, Oh my God. 687 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,400 Even though I don't agree that it's the scariest, like Resident 688 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,560 Evil 7 is far more scary than this game, by the way. 689 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,640 Like when when the early previews were like, Oh my God, 690 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,040 it's like, that was scary. It's not, it's not like 7 was 691 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,280 the most scary because it was such a stark difference between 692 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,640 6:00, which is laughable. Like nothing scary about that to 693 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,160 seven, which was like, we'd never experienced anything like 694 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,680 that. It's like, Oh my God, that was 695 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,440 scary. It was like crying, you know? 696 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,600 Whereas this is like not, I get why people knew to the franchise 697 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,440 will be like, you know, scared of it, but for like veterans or 698 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,040 whatever and like no way. But I love it. 699 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,760 I absolutely love Requiem. It's everything I want it to be. 700 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,400 I just wish Grace had more makeup on and stuff. 701 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,440 Yeah, she does need that. Yeah, she she looks like she'd 702 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,600 be having. A good Isn't there time the the 703 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,120 30th anniversary's coming up next week. 704 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,520 Isn't it next week? I don't have no idea what's 705 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,240 going on with that. What are they going to do? 706 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,280 There's some special content coming. 707 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,960 Apparently there's is it makeup DLC? 708 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,240 It's makeup DLC. Yeah. 709 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,720 It's really always coming. Yeah, yeah, yes, apparently 710 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:40,840 there's some something exciting for players and they have 711 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,960 planned more content for the game anyway, so maybe it's that. 712 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,080 It feels a bit early for DLC stuff. 713 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,240 Yeah, surely, but I don't know what it's going to be. 714 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,840 I I suspect it'll be an announcement. 715 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,640 It could be. Of one of the remakes. 716 00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:03,600 It will either be that, which would be great if it's I've just 717 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:04,880 gone brain dead. Please. 718 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,040 One. I want one. 719 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,320 Oh no. They're not going to announce 720 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,280 that yet that they're they're going to save that for DLSS 5. 721 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,840 No, this, this will be. I can't think of the name of the 722 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,400 game. Oh, my days. 723 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:21,160 The other one, the other one, Outbreak or whatever. 724 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,720 No, not Outbreak. Someone in the comments will 725 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:31,040 tell me what I'm thinking of, but there's a game called 726 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,640 Resident Evil that might get a remake. 727 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:38,040 I'd love to see Zero as well as this other one that I'm thinking 728 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,880 of that I can't think of. I don't think it's going to be 729 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,160 that actually. I think the content might be 730 00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:47,360 what's that online thing that they do on these games? 731 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,120 So like horde mode. So each time a game comes out, 732 00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:53,000 it's like, yeah, yeah, like a multiplayer. 733 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,440 So that. Makes a lot more sense. 734 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,000 That that might be the next one because Rezi, you know, 9 735 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,840 doesn't have that. So that might be the like, 736 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,960 because it's so soon after the game and it's just like an 737 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,680 additional thing like it'll be like, oh, go shoot like waves of 738 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,920 zombies, you know. So it might be that I. 739 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,240 Don't. Yeah, that makes more sense. 740 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:15,480 But yeah, but Copia, just while we're still in the in that 741 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,280 topic, we know it's been a cultural phenomenon. 742 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,400 Yes, firstly, it's Nintendo did press release selling that, 743 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,640 saying that it sold 2.2 million units in its first four days. 744 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,800 Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it? That's crazy and may have driven 745 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,080 a 400% increase in switch to sales in the week leading up to 746 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:36,600 launch. That's. 747 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,840 Mad. It's I don't think anyone 748 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,480 predicted it was going to be this. 749 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,280 No. It's funny, isn't it? 750 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,880 Games, games do that, though. They kind of creep up and then 751 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,920 suddenly a like a cultural phenomenon. 752 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:59,000 It's yeah, I think like on on a personal front, like Arc Raiders 753 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,560 was one of those moments where it was kind of like wasn't no 754 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,760 one was really expecting much from it, but it became as things 755 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,920 much bigger than it. Marathon never got close to it 756 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,960 on the Play account either, no. I don't know. 757 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,680 Not even close to it. They're not my kind of game, so. 758 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,400 Have you played it much marathon? 759 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,560 Oh no, I played it. For the yeah, they went yeah. 760 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,000 I hadn't installed it straight away like as soon as the video 761 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,120 was up. It's like uninstall, not. 762 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,920 Playing I don't play this. No, unfortunately they're just 763 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,560 not my kind of games. Like 10-15 years ago. 764 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,200 My life's weird. I've like done a round Robin. 765 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,640 I know this is like sidetracking here. 766 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,880 I used to when I was younger, obviously. 767 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,280 Well, we didn't have Internet on our consoles so you couldn't 768 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,200 play online. But when it got to the point 769 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,360 where you could play online, I was like, yeah, all for it. 770 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,960 You know, playing Call of Duty. I used to, I used to play 771 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,080 Resident Evil 5 online with my mate on like 360 and that was 772 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,600 amazing. Like one of the crappy 773 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,480 microphone and headphones into. Whatever. 774 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,240 And I used to stay up late playing that and like, it was 775 00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:01,080 great. But I used to be all for the 776 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,920 like online shooters and all these kind of like multiplayer 777 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,120 games. And then when I got into like my 778 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,400 sort of like mid to late 20s, just when I'm done, like I think 779 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,360 I'd just done them so to death. Yeah, I was just sick of the 780 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,680 same loop like, and I was like, you know what? 781 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,640 I'm going back to like one player story games now and like 782 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,320 specifically like linear style stuff, which we've discussed for 783 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,880 previously. And that's where I still am. 784 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,680 I'd I'd I'd prefer. I think for a lot of people, 785 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,480 especially people that live on their own, I think it's mainly a 786 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,080 social thing. Yes. 787 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,840 I think it's just an excuse just to go and hang out with people. 788 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,000 And I feel like you're I'm. The opposite. 789 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,640 So I like playing a game is an excuse to not be. 790 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,400 Arrive, go away. Leave me alone. 791 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,360 Yeah, leave me in my cave. It's fine. 792 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,600 I know I'm going to jump around the notes, so I'm sorry, Andy, 793 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,280 if you feel lost. It's it's also, it's been 794 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,960 essentially the week of the handheld or the week of the 795 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,640 handheld update. Firstly, we've seen the 796 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,880 PlayStation Portal, which we rarely cover, but that got quite 797 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,000 significant because it's not a real hand. 798 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,880 It got actually a really significant update, high quality 799 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:20,920 mode, what it's called 1080P high quality mode, which gives 800 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,360 an improved bit rate basically to the games that you're 801 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,480 streaming, which is really interesting. 802 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,520 One of our channel members in the Discord, Marcus, was saying 803 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,960 that he was quoting the figures and it worked out about 50% 804 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,320 increase in bit rate. That's incredible. 805 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,640 That is so good because when it came out I was looking at videos 806 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,040 of people using it and stuff and it was the bit rate that you 807 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,200 could like. With video, when the bit rate's 808 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,080 too low, it like becomes like, it's blocky, like it turns to 809 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,160 Minecraft. Like everything turns to like. 810 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,600 So when I was looking at these streams and people were like, Oh 811 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,560 my God, it plays so well. I'm like, are you playing 812 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,600 Minecraft? Because it's like all these 813 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,120 artifacts like everywhere. And I was like, Oh my God, I 814 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,440 can't do that. I'm sorry I couldn't do that. 815 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,640 All the power to you if you can stomach that, but I can't. 816 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,560 So seeing a 50% increase in bit rate like that actually means 817 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,720 like stuff will be totally playable, providing you've got a 818 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:16,920 good connection. Yeah, 1080P, yeah, increased 819 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,960 bitrate, like that's great. Like I, there's nothing 820 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,360 inherently that I dislike about the Portal. 821 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,080 It's just the fact that we were expecting an actual handheld at 822 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,440 the time and it turned out to just be a controller with a 823 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,280 screen on it, which you could have done with your phone like 824 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,360 anywhere, which is fine. Like, you know, it's fine. 825 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,360 But, you know, we, we had some disappointment there and 826 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,720 obviously it's got better over time. 827 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:40,080 They've included the the subscription thing now so you 828 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,720 can stream to it. You don't have to be tethered to 829 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,880 a PlayStation 5. So I I think it is actually 830 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,320 really good and this is really good news. 831 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,440 Yeah, there's a lot of talk as well, a lot of rumours that 832 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,160 there's a O LED 120 version coming. 833 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,000 Oh that then that would be more than worth it, especially with 834 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,360 an increased bit rate if they can keep the cost down, which 835 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,680 they should be able to because it's like basically got no 836 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,960 internals like. Yeah, I think, I think if an O 837 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,560 LED, O LED 120 Hertz comes out and you can stream it like that 838 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,720 increased bit rate, then I'd be very tempted to get one because 839 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:18,040 it gives you very cheap access to the PlayStation library of 840 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,760 games. Yeah, especially as PlayStation 841 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,200 go like full console exclusive in the future. 842 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,920 That's very, very true, yeah. That is true. 843 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,720 It would be really, really exciting addition. 844 00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:32,480 Then I I'd still, I still want a just a straight up PlayStation 845 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,920 handheld. I want want to play games 846 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,920 natively. Yeah, but we're years off that, 847 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,720 whereas if like next week they dropped an OLED fur in like that 848 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,480 would be pretty good. The one thing they have to do is 849 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,040 put about Wi-Fi chip in it guys. Isn't it running like Wi-Fi like 850 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,960 4 or something stupid? I think it might be 4 or. 851 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,920 Five. Yeah, It's like, what are you 852 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,480 doing? Like this thing's a streaming 853 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,240 device. Like put something good in 854 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,360 there. It's like having just got an 855 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,640 RJ45 Jack on the back of it. You just got to be tethered into 856 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,080 the walls. Just an antenna that sticks out 857 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,760 like one of those ones you got on a Wi-Fi card. 858 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:10,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And on the update front also 859 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,240 switched to got a a huge upgrade I was going to. 860 00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:14,160 Bring this up. Yeah, Yeah. 861 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,520 Good. We did a video on it, but 862 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,320 there's it's such a Nintendo thing to do. 863 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,480 They didn't even do an announcement. 864 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,840 They just shadow dropped system update and buried in the notes. 865 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,680 It's like halfway down the notes on this update. 866 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:34,080 Handheld boost mode, which is a fundamental console changing 867 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,680 upgrade. That's just been oh, there you 868 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,240 go. It's just made thousands of 869 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,200 thousands and thousands of E shop slop actually playable now. 870 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,960 All those hentai games, you can play them again. 871 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,240 Yeah, you can actually see them in HD now rather than like HD 872 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:50,840 ready. Yeah. 873 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,000 But no, in all seriousness, this is a monumental upgrade that 874 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,160 should have been there from day one. 875 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,800 Yes, but as we said, you know, literally we said right at the 876 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,840 start like why isn't there a mode that lets you play Switch 877 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,760 one games in docked mode and then devs need to do nothing. 878 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,800 It just the switch thinks all the game thinks I'm docked. 879 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,040 There you go, like. More power. 880 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,640 Yeah, and that's why this is great, because it's not. 881 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,120 We're not waiting for game specific switch to updates which 882 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,920 seem to be very few and far between like they promised us a 883 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,040 load and where have they gone like. 884 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,680 And also some of them seem to be just. 885 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,280 Oh God, yeah. Absolute dog eggs, yes. 886 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,120 Like Xenoblade Chronicles X. Great example. 887 00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:39,920 I was watching yeah, I'm sure I mentioned it in the video we put 888 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,520 out, but like I was watching GVGS like deep dive on it and he 889 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,560 John on that was playing Xenoblade Definitive Edition, 890 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,920 blah, blah, blah, blah version and and show it's like showing 891 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,960 the switch to version and it's it's such an awful, awful 892 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,040 upgrade. Like Vasolini. 893 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,040 It's got artifacts all right, it's horrible, especially 894 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,640 handout. It looks horrible. 895 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,120 He uninstalls it and then installs the switch one version 896 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:13,280 and puts handout boost mode on and it's yeah, I linked it in 897 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,640 the if you go back to our video, I pinned it in the comment. 898 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,120 It's like this is the video I'm talking about. 899 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:24,000 It is night and day different better like the Switch one in 900 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,040 boost mode, the specifically the characters. 901 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:32,920 It's like oh so I would argue now to the point that unless 902 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,600 there's a significant like 4K60 mode in the switch 2 version, 903 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,640 don't bother buying a switch 2 version of the game if it comes 904 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,920 out. Just just play it, play it 905 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,080 handheld boost mode and play with Switch games unless 906 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,600 there's, like I say, a significant like performance 907 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,520 upgrade when you're docked and you play docked a lot. 908 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,200 I was going to say, if you're handheld only, which a lot of 909 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,080 Switch two people are, then what's the point just by the 910 00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,600 Switch 1 version? It's it's phenomenal. 911 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,720 It's a huge, huge upgrade that they yeah, they just roll out 912 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,840 the the only one left is I saw people talking about is VRR 913 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,640 docked. That that is a must have. 914 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:17,840 And I also think this handheld docked mode thing, whatever they 915 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,000 call it, should have been able to be quick toggled from the 916 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,160 quick menu where you press and hold home and then it comes out 917 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,040 to the side where you can quick connect to Bluetooth speakers, 918 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,760 which I do all the time. And you can change the back 919 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,280 paddle like things. If you're on a pro controller. 920 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,720 It would have been cool to be there boost on and off rather 921 00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:41,280 than having to close the game or like back out to the home 922 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,160 screen. Go to the menu, go to the 923 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,600 settings, go all the way to the bottom, go to system, go to 924 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,880 switch one light entitlement or whatever it is, then change it 925 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,160 like that's so long. Just have a single on and off 926 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,720 switch from the home menu so that there and then if you're 927 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,440 playing the game and you're like, Oh no, I've only got 50% 928 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,840 battery life because I'm using this new docked mode thing, but 929 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,760 I want to get more. Press and hold the home button, 930 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:03,680 untaggle it. Bam. 931 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,000 Now I've got like double the battery life. 932 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,000 Like it could have been so easy, but instead there's this stupid 933 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,080 workaround. But yeah, whatever. 934 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,000 Maybe they'll improve it. They probably won't. 935 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,680 It's Nintendo. They're just kind of like we've 936 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,120 done this now. There you go. 937 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,360 Yeah, VRR docked, a lot of people talking about still, I 938 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,640 think there's a fundamental reason why they've not done it. 939 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,000 I think there's something. It's got to be something with a 940 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,880 dock. Yeah but just release another 941 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:28,920 dock. I'll buy one. 942 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,000 Yeah. Do you know what I mean? 943 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,400 Like just do a switch 2 point O like 2.1 dock or something like 944 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,520 literally HDMI 2.1. Make a Pacopia version and it's 945 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:41,640 that's the only one with it in OH. 946 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,040 And the dock actually looks like a Ditto and you yes, and it's 947 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,760 actual Jelly and you just smash this with it's actual. 948 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:49,680 Jelly. Yeah, yeah. 949 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,240 Yeah, yeah, it's. Pretty much. 950 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,240 Disposable docks. You use it once and then you 951 00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:54,680 throw it away. It's. 952 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,000 Just that, Yeah. And finally, in the week of the 953 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:04,600 handheld, the updates, we also at last we had a GPU driver 954 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,240 update, didn't we? Handy. 955 00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:08,800 Yeah, we did. Yeah, for the Xbox LIX it. 956 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,600 Finally happened. Yeah, a long time coming. 957 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,680 How long has it been since the? Is it the first one since it's 958 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,240 come out? First driver update. 959 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,760 I couldn't tell you if it was the first one. 960 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,640 The last one was in like November. 961 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,000 Yeah. So it was like a long time, you 962 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,840 know, there was also an MCU driver and stuff like that 963 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:35,080 update BIOS update as well. No graphics driver on the Xbox 964 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,200 Ally base white one, the S as we call it. 965 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,520 So it's just the Z2 E thing then? 966 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's only the X that got the 967 00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:45,720 driver upgrade. The the bigger upgrade there 968 00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:50,600 really was the the new Xbox Insider update, which we also 969 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,280 covered in the video as well, which again isn't perfect. 970 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,920 Go watch my video on it if you want to know more. 971 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,960 Basically. Do you think? 972 00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,200 Because obviously the Xbox Insider is a preview of what's 973 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,440 going to be rolled out, isn't it? 974 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:07,000 Yeah, I was hoping that there was going to be more fundamental 975 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,480 improvements by the time that this April release comes along, 976 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,000 but it seems like we've seen some some important things 977 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,200 changed. Adding apps to the homepage and 978 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,400 stuff is cool. Yeah. 979 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,480 It's great the updates been a meaning that you can get to 980 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,400 updates easier basically. That's cool, but I was hoping 981 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,640 there'd be more fundamental xboxification. 982 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,000 Yes, like a complete UI redesign to make it look like an Xbox. 983 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,600 That's all I want. Like literally the second they 984 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,640 do that I will be so much happier because I hate the Xbox 985 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,600 full screen app look like whoever signed that off needs to 986 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,080 get a slap because instead of getting rid of Phil and Sarah 987 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,520 Bond, they should have got rid of that one. 988 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,040 Whoever that was that said, that's the idea. 989 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,640 Just kick them out, get someone new in, Yeah? 990 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,480 So this is what what the Insider program has, what you've shown 991 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,480 is the Xbox mode. Yeah, that's what it's going to 992 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:06,400 look like. That's Xbox. 993 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,840 Mode. Why are they changing the name? 994 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:13,120 I don't know it's so. Annoying like I hate it like why 995 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,320 Xbox full screen experience I mean is the longest name ever 996 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:17,400 it's like a. Horrible. 997 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,480 Song title, you know, like but but it's so long. 998 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,120 Xbox mode, yeah, that's pretty lame, but that makes more sense. 999 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,680 Why don't you lead with that originally like, but now there's 1000 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,760 a billion articles out there, a billion guides referring to it 1001 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,080 as Xbox full screen experience. We all know what XFSE means now. 1002 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,720 And now what do you call it? XM Xbox Mode? 1003 00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:44,640 Like there's all these like, weird like, and it's, it's been 1004 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,560 what, 6 months? Yeah, exactly. 1005 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,520 Yeah, six months. Let's just change the name. 1006 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,840 The problem with both of those names, not that it overly 1007 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,120 matters, but it's for me it's indicative of the problem of 1008 00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,080 Microsoft gaming. It's just weird lack of like 1009 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,960 conviction in the directions. They always kind of like flip 1010 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,160 flop around a bit too much. The problem with both of those 1011 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:14,440 names to me suggests that it's not the operating system. 1012 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:19,400 It promised to be Xbox mode. And I know that is technically 1013 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,440 what it is, but how it's being sold, at least back in October, 1014 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:28,440 how it's being sold is like this is kind of baseline operating 1015 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,880 system level of stuff. And Xbox mode suggests it's just 1016 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,520 like a pause menu. Yes, Yeah. 1017 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,000 Yeah, exactly that, yeah. It's not like you're getting my 1018 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,720 Windows gaming operating system. I know just what it should be. 1019 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:47,960 It what should have been and why we kept referring to it as Xbox 1020 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:53,400 OS 100% and now with Project Helix, it literally will be Xbox 1021 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,000 OS like because that's what will be on the thing, you know, so 1022 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,920 it's like it's yeah, it's frustrating. 1023 00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,440 So just. Why can't they just look at what 1024 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,520 works around them? Like a look at their own 1025 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,480 operating system on Xbox and go that works really well, but also 1026 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,440 what our competitors doing. Steam's over here, they've got a 1027 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,960 handheld console and are moving into the PC living room space. 1028 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,200 What do they do? Well, they've got Steam OS on 1029 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,520 top of Linux. That's what they do. 1030 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:25,080 But at no point do Valve make loads of reference to Linux. 1031 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,120 No, they're never. It's just Steam OS. 1032 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,000 No, it's back out to desktop. It's not back out to Linux. 1033 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,880 Exactly. So it's the same thing. 1034 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,880 Like it's literally the same thing. 1035 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,200 So just call it freaking Xbox OS and be done with it. 1036 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,160 And if they make a third name change when the Helix comes out, 1037 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,600 I'll finally be happy if they call it Xbox OS, you know. 1038 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,400 But until then, Xbox full screen experience sounds crap and Xbox 1039 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,720 mode also sounds crap. So just change it again. 1040 00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:57,600 Rename it. Hire us to come up with names 1041 00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:58,760 for you. I'll do it. 1042 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,960 I'll do it for free. New Xbox. 1043 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,040 To be honest, you don't even have to pass. 1044 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,720 Just give us. Helixes, just give us Helixes. 1045 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,600 Yeah. Final thing I want to, I want to 1046 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,840 go over is game that you're doing a will it run on next 1047 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,240 week? I believe it is. 1048 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,960 Maybe at the time when this goes out it'll be tomorrow. 1049 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:26,680 Wow, OK. Crimson dessert Yes yeah, every 1050 00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,640 time we can HA message, we keep calling it dessert. 1051 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,040 The Crimson Dessert is, well, it's exciting. 1052 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:40,680 First of all, because it's a massively expansive giant RPG 1053 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:45,200 that seemingly can run on an Xbox LIX, which is exciting. 1054 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:54,600 Yeah, yeah. 400,000 pre sales on Steam, which is wild, apparently 1055 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,320 about $20 million in revenue, but that's just on Steam because 1056 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,080 obviously this will be on the Microsoft Store as well. 1057 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,640 Wouldn't it play anyway? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1058 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,520 And PlayStation, Yeah. So that's incredible. 1059 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,720 There's been a lot of anticipation for it, but the 1060 00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:13,280 early reviews are out because obviously those in the press 1061 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,120 that are lucky enough to get hands on early, not us, never 1062 00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:19,520 us. We still have to buy every game 1063 00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,440 that we. Isn't it? 1064 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,720 Yeah, yeah. But there we go. 1065 00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,480 Yeah, so the early reviews are in, and it's got its Metacritic 1066 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,440 score from the kind of the critics rather than the players 1067 00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:35,760 of 78. Yeah, currently it was a 77. 1068 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,600 It's crept up a little bit at the time of filming now. 1069 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,560 So just to let in everyone, the whole reason we're filming this 1070 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,840 podcast early is because Crimson Desert, actually Desert actually 1071 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:51,600 comes out tonight at 10:00 PM UK, but I'll be in bed by then. 1072 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,880 So tomorrow, which is normally when we film the podcast Friday, 1073 00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,200 I'm actually then going to have to be filming and testing this 1074 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,920 video. And then fingers crossed that 1075 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,320 video will be up on Saturday. If not, it'll be Monday and 1076 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,080 sorry, you have to wait. We'll see how it goes. 1077 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,000 But yeah, so at the time of filming, like it's just reviews 1078 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:16,120 that have gone live 7778, like we're sat at 78 right now. 1079 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,760 I did just want to quickly jump in on the handheld thing. 1080 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,880 So sort of one person testing it on Steam Deck and it was running 1081 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,720 at what looked to be like 20 FPS. 1082 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,200 And the comments were looks great. 1083 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:33,520 And I was like, really? I would not expect this to run 1084 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,240 on the Steam Deck to be honest, but the fact that it's it's, 1085 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,120 it's playable, is is. Something, yeah, just stream to 1086 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,160 it. Stream to it. 1087 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,360 Do you know what I mean? Like if you've got PlayStation, 1088 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,800 an Xbox or APC, just use Moonlight or whatever you're 1089 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,480 doing. Just stream it from another 1090 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,160 device. I played all of Final Fantasy 7 1091 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,680 Remake streaming that game to the Steam Deck OLED and it was a 1092 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,760 way better like experience than trying to run it natively. 1093 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,520 Yeah, 100%. I will say with the Metacritic 1094 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,400 scores and critic reviews, a critic reviews are like, they're 1095 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,760 all over the place. And quite often I find myself at 1096 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,800 odds with what they are. Like a game I really love gets a 1097 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,800 really low score or all the other way around. 1098 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,360 I've played really high score games and gone like, well, 1099 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:20,160 that's really not very good. Notable mentions off the top of 1100 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:24,880 my head, Stella Blade I believe was an 80 or a 79. 1101 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,000 And that's a great game, yeah. Yeah, it is. 1102 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:36,520 So I mean, pinch yourself, but I do have some concerns about the 1103 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,680 game the more I've seen of it. Yeah, I mean, I've always had a 1104 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,560 bit of concern because again, kind of what I said earlier, I'm 1105 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,560 like a more linear guy now. I used to love open world, like 1106 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,880 when it was the new thing, when there was nothing open world 1107 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,600 before and it was this new thing, it was like, Oh my God, I 1108 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,480 could do all this stuff. Like GTA 3 was like mind blown. 1109 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,520 Oh my God. Now I'm kind of like, yeah, it's 1110 00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,840 not like it's not mind blowing to me anymore. 1111 00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:05,520 I actually see it as like a time sink and see open world games of 1112 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,560 like, I'm going to be bored in that because there's no 1113 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,760 direction and then I'm going to like go down like side quest 1114 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,920 route, get bored, quit, you know. 1115 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,240 So like I get this kind of like open world dread that we've 1116 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,360 mentioned a lot where it's like if it's more linear, even if 1117 00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:26,120 it's got like a, a hub system like Rebirth, I can deal with 1118 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:27,840 that, you know, because that's not too bad. 1119 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,240 It's not not that big really. Each zone is quite small. 1120 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,400 And if you focus on the story and stuff like that, that's 1121 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,200 fine. But when I saw this, I was like, 1122 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,800 they're saying it's like over double the size of Skyrim map. 1123 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,320 Skyrim's too big. Do you know what I mean? 1124 00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,160 So like bigger than? The Red Dead 2 map. 1125 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,120 Yeah, and I was like, but it's fully open. 1126 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,400 That sounds barren and a little bit like, I don't know, I've 1127 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:50,560 been hyped. Don't get me wrong. 1128 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,480 The graphics like insane. You can like do all sorts of 1129 00:59:54,480 --> 01:00:00,960 random stuff like it just this my shoe is it looks like it's 1130 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,280 trying to be everything. That is exactly my problems. 1131 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:05,920 I'm so glad you've hit the nail on the head. 1132 01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:11,360 The fact that I thought it was like a medieval slash magic RPG 1133 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,120 kind of Skyrim esque, and I was like, I'm all for that. 1134 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,040 Yeah, I like those kind of games. 1135 01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,800 They're cool. When they're done right, they're 1136 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,080 really cool. And then I started seeing like 1137 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:27,160 jet packs and like robots shooting lasers and and riding a 1138 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,840 dinosaur. I was like, what the hell is 1139 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,120 this game? Is it just like a asset dump 1140 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,120 where they just get loads of stock assets like Chuck it in? 1141 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:41,360 What makes it 5? That's the truth of it. 1142 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,600 It's the first game testing it. Yeah, that's. 1143 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,080 So I'm worried that it's going to be, it's trying to be 1144 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,680 everything and actually winds up being a bit of nothing. 1145 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,360 And I've seen two really contrasting opinions on it. 1146 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,960 Firstly, John Lineman, I'm from Digital Foundry, did like a 1147 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,160 whole video on it, which was really exciting. 1148 01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,800 And he was sharing his excitement on like how detailed 1149 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,040 the world is. And like, it took him 4 hours to 1150 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:17,160 go from one side to the other, not because of the size, but 1151 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,480 just because of the sheer amount of like random encounters and 1152 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,320 stuff that happened. And it never felt forced. 1153 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,200 It always felt interesting. And everything had a layer of 1154 01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,480 detail to it so that I was like, this could be amazing. 1155 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,800 It could be an open world that actually feels justified for 1156 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,080 once. And it still could be. 1157 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,640 Yeah, yeah. Which the only time I've come 1158 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:41,080 across that person is Red Dead 2 where a massive map, open world 1159 01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,920 and the whole thing feels justified. 1160 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:49,560 It never feels, never feels too expansive and dread filled. 1161 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:55,200 And then this morning I watched the review from you watched it 1162 01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,480 as well. I always forget the name of 1163 01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,880 their show. They do like a live show, kind 1164 01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:01,360 of funny Games. Yeah. 1165 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,120 And they're like, it's, it's a fair score. 1166 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,640 It's pretty mediocre. It's like if you imagine 1167 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,080 everyone always talks about they should make Breath of the Wild 1168 01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:12,760 more realistic. It's like that. 1169 01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,880 It's not good. Yeah, yeah. 1170 01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,720 They, they were pretty much saying what we were kind of 1171 01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,240 worried about. They were like, the story sucks. 1172 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,880 Like, you know, it's kind of just a bit of everything, a bit 1173 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,680 of nothing. Kind of like they were giving it 1174 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:32,480 sixes, like, you know, and it's like, The thing is, is some 1175 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,200 people will love that because, again, it's all taste, isn't it? 1176 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,880 Like it's like a food critic is only critiquing stuff for 1177 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:43,440 themselves realistically. Like so some people will 1178 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,200 absolutely love this game. I think it will be a big thing 1179 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,160 for those people. Other people will absolutely 1180 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,520 down hate it. I don't know where I sit yet not 1181 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,160 played it. Like I'm just going to be 1182 01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,680 testing it out, you know, soon when I can. 1183 01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,440 But I don't know. Like I know strength of the bat 1184 01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:02,080 is something that my wife would love because she loves Red Dead, 1185 01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,720 Skyrim, all those kind of like big open worldy things. 1186 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,800 Whereas like I'd be going into this with back foot thinking 1187 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,800 it's too big like straight away. Do you know what I mean? 1188 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,960 Even though I'm excited to see it and I'm hard to try it, I 1189 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,000 think I don't. Know there's where the game 1190 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,600 where open world games work when they succeed like big ones and I 1191 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,960 go back to like Red Dead 2 is it's like a really good example 1192 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,880 because because I think it's it's definitely a top five games 1193 01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,280 of all time for me. I absolutely adore that game, 1194 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,360 Red. Dead 2 is amazing. 1195 01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:38,360 The reason it works is because the story is so good and so 1196 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:43,240 compelling and convincing that you're hooked, you're invested, 1197 01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,840 and you've given yourself a reason to care about these 1198 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,320 characters. That's what I felt about 1199 01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,960 Rebirth, you know, like with Final Fantasy, Like it's the 1200 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,480 only way I managed to get into it because I actually just 1201 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,720 started playing the story and got sucked into that. 1202 01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,600 Then everything else was like fun on top. 1203 01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,920 Yeah, I mean, random encounter, all these things happen. 1204 01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:01,800 Oh, I might actually go get that, because that sounds like 1205 01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,160 fun. All that stuff's just added 1206 01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,160 fluff, but the the the story is so good that it hooks you 1207 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:12,160 through. I worry that this and from from 1208 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,160 what those guys were saying, this doesn't have that You have 1209 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,600 no reason to care. You don't even really know why 1210 01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:21,160 you're doing stuff. This is a offline MMO for people 1211 01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,880 that play Mmos and skip dialogue, which is my wife. 1212 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,960 So this is literally that. So like when you've played 1213 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,400 enough Mmos like I have, you just don't even read text 1214 01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:32,840 anymore like you don't care about the story. 1215 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,720 It's all. It could just be AI generated 1216 01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,040 because no one gives a crap. Like it's just like skip skip 1217 01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,320 skip. Give me how many like cows do I 1218 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,360 need to kill? Like OK, yeah, that's how many 1219 01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:45,200 like off I go fetch quest. It looks like an offline MMO 1220 01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,040 like that's what it's like. And it's just an open sandbox 1221 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,920 for you to go play in basically. And I'm sure it's going to be 1222 01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,080 fun for those kind of people. But if you're going into this 1223 01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,680 for like wanting like a deep heavy invested like storyline, I 1224 01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:57,680 don't think you're going to get that. 1225 01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,040 No, no, sadly. And I think for me, that'll be 1226 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,520 how I check out. If I if I do play it, it'd be 1227 01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:08,040 like it's just not yes, not draw me the same way and I'll and the 1228 01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,920 the feeling of dread, which is really natural with big games 1229 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,440 will be enough to put me off and the story's not strong enough to 1230 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,960 keep me and let's do some real fun mechanic in it that you 1231 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:23,120 don't realize jet packs, jet packs, but just just exploring 1232 01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:27,560 on its own doesn't do it doesn't do it for me anymore. 1233 01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:31,520 No, not for me. No, like I I like and this is 1234 01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,320 going to get hey, I struggle with the Zelda games now. 1235 01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,000 I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1236 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,520 Yeah, you open like Tears of the Kingdom or Breath of Wild, and 1237 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,800 you're like, there's so much to explore. 1238 01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,760 Yep, when when it came out, I was loving it because it was so 1239 01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,880 different. I it was when the switch just 1240 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,920 dropped, you know, which is coming up to 10 years ago. 1241 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,400 Yeah, I know. And it was mind blowing. 1242 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,280 I was just like, this is incredible. 1243 01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:04,120 I absolutely love this. And I then like put it down and 1244 01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,640 then when I come back to it, I'm like, I can't do it. 1245 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,360 Yeah, I literally can't do it. Yeah, I'm the same. 1246 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,440 So who knows how Crimson Desert will play out. 1247 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,560 I'm curious to see how it runs from a just purely technical 1248 01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:19,640 point of view. I'm looking forward to your 1249 01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,480 videos on it. Your video on it. 1250 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,520 Yes, yeah. I'm looking forward to testing 1251 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,080 it out. Yeah, it should be fun. 1252 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:26,480 I'd love to know what you guys think. 1253 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,320 Are you going to get it? Are you going to get Crimson 1254 01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,080 Desert or not? Is it your thing or not? 1255 01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:35,080 And more importantly, how do you feel about DLSS 5? 1256 01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,160 Because in the next video we're both going to be using it to 1257 01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,440 replace this. Oh yeah, I wish. 1258 01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,280 Just AI versions of ourselves. That's it. 1259 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,120 I'd do that. I would train it on my voice and 1260 01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:48,480 just get it to do the videos for me. 1261 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,600 I'd just type in a script and I can just go delay somewhere and 1262 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:57,280 it can be. Oh wow, my name is Andy. 1263 01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,080 There we go, you can just do it for me with that voice. 1264 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,040 And. I'll just have a static 1265 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:07,200 screenshot of my face. I don't sound fuck, I cut out in 1266 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,720 Photoshop and just like move it like a puppet. 1267 01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:11,760 People will be fine with it. They'll. 1268 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,360 Be I'm not Canadian, so you know. 1269 01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:19,120 What's that all a boot? Let us know your thoughts. 1270 01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,200 I don't even know what the question is anymore, but let us 1271 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,280 know your thoughts anyway down in the comments once you're done 1272 01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,080 and make sure you like this video subscribe for more 1273 01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,840 handheld gaming content. What else should they do, Andy? 1274 01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,360 But. Come and remember and you get to 1275 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,280 chat to us over on our Discord as well. 1276 01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,800 Yes, love it. OK, so until the next time. 1277 01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,800 Have a nice day. Yeah, that's it. 1278 01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:38,640 Bye.