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We're here in Midian Columbia, 

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and we're doing a very special 
crossover episode between 

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epicenter and the interop. 
We're here at Cosmo verse which 

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is the biggest Cosmos conference
happening. 

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Right now, Cosmos verse ended, 
two days ago and we're going to 

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do a recap of what's been going 
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This week in Midian, I'm very 
pleased to be with my friend and

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co-host. 
Sunny Agarwal. 

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Hosted epicenter and co-founder 
osmosis and the man himself man,

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who made this all possible. 
The guy who brought us all here 

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hundreds of people to fly to 
Midian predict osito. 

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Yeah, thanks for having me. 
I think the crazy part for me is

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that we really manage to get 
everybody to come to my the in 

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because I know a lot of people 
that had some concerns about the

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city about Colombia, right? 
When you hear first time and 

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you've never been here, your 
first thoughts of like, oh my 

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God, it's Everybody gets 
kidnapped and Pablo Escobar 

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drugs, this and that. 
But now people are here and like

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I hear people they say next, we 
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I don't want to leave. 
I think everybody's very 

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excited. 
Just found out. 

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Sonny wants to see some some 
hippos here. 

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So there's a lot to see a lot of
cool find exotic stuff. 

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You also have a little story to 
tell you can see on your on your

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Twitter. 
You posted that with the 

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paragliding like there's a lot 
of cool stuff you can do here 

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and the people are amazing. 
The food is great because it is 

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just Awful lot of good parts, 
good parties, whatever you want.

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You can find it here except for 
beach is probably the only thing

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that's missing here. 
But yeah, love love million. 

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Had a great time. 
You had caught some words and 

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just thankful that everybody 
made it here and we had such a 

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great time. 
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there's like concern that a lot 
of people had and I was I was in

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Berlin a couple days ago for 
another conference and people 

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were talking about hey I gotta 
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even I was thinking about okay 
do I bring my laptop should I 

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bring my Ledger's you know and 
then like as soon as we And as 

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soon as we arrived in the city 
and all those concerns kind of 

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went away and there's like, hey,
this is like a regular place, it

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has it has an interesting 
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But, you know, as long as you're
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like trying to get paid Talent 
on Tinder, or like scoring some 

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drugs on the street, you're 
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We wouldn't have done it. 
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city is and I used to live here 
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ago. 
So that's why I'm I was very 

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confident that everything will 
be fine and Can you take some 

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alcohol? 
And where the next Cosmic versus

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going to be unfortunate? 
It's too early for that, and I 

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think I heard some rumors here. 
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general, we want to make 
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that have high demand for 
crypto, but they don't have 

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stuff going on every other week,
right? 

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Yeah. 
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Berlin, like, in Berlin, half of
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there's like stuff going on all 
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the city Midian is exotic, but 
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lot of people that want to get 
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We even had the secretary for 
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the city of Medellin from the 
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And he even came to second day 
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presentation. 
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favorite talks and yeah, I think
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What they've done like, 
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I mean, of course like, you 
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agenda or whatever but like you 
know it seems very impressive 

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like all the stuff we're doing 
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Innovation and like connectivity
and get I didn't have access for

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people to learn how to program 
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Super cool. 
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position Columbia or many in 
especially as like, the software

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Valley for Latin America. 
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this talk, and then there was 
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institution. 
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for that, and give all the 
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example. 
And like, just give get them 

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into this internet economy. 
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And I think crypto pain, 
hopefully absorb a lot of that 

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because, you know, people here, 
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there are nobody Even staking 
and having sovereignty for their

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for their Finance finances. 
I think it can have a big impact

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here. 
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Columbia also has high inflation
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Venezuela but still I think it's
a net positive for the people to

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at least be aware what exists 
and you know if they can make 

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another 10 bucks a month, 
farming on osmo, then why not? 

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It's good for them, right? 
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we also look for other places to
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It's to look at places that have
high demand High population. 

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Yeah. 
Maybe a cool city right. 

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I think a big factor of success 
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also that million is just an 
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All right, so I think we also 
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But yeah we'll see thing that we
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we'll travel a little bit and 
Scout the next the next place. 

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Yeah so I mean we haven't like 
properly introduced yes. 

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I mean the people who listen I 
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who you are. 
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you know, some of the some of 
the ogee theorem people perhaps 

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are not familiar with your work 
and your YouTube channel. 

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So yeah, who is cooked osito? 
I started my Cryptid journey in 

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early 2017 and I've pretty much 
done everything wrong for two or

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three years, it into the next 
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Believed, everything a bit naive
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everybody has to go through this
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But yeah, then when when 2019, 
Mmmmm and actually lifted many 

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in here. 
I saw that like, I feel like 

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we've gotten out and I feel 
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for the next cycle. 
So I Was preparing for that. 

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I was reading a lot. 
I did a lot of events all around

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the world. 
I did a lot of research 

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networking, I think. 
Also talking to people at 

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events. 
Physically is one of the best 

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things and ways to learn about 
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And then sometime around when 
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I just bought a camera and 
started to record because like I

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said, I've done so much wrong. 
I send clients to the wrong 

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address, I got a guy had fines 
on Wallace, it don't exist 

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anymore on exchanges, that don't
exist anymore and I think I just

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wanted to share that learning 
with people that are maybe new 

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to crypto because it helped me 
in the beginning to learn from 

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others that have done this 
before. 

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And then I don't know in the 
beginning it was just random I 

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just click record and talked 
About whatever, but then I did, 

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I found Cosmos. 
Thanks to Jack example--and. 

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He got me into it and he had a 
call with me. 

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This was pre IBC, and he walked 
me through everything, and he 

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was so passionate about it, and 
then the rest is history. 

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I mean, from there, I just went 
deeper deeper deeper connected 

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with everyone. 
I also like the ideology a lot 

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about Cosmos because I think 
before that this is Bitcoin 

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tribalism, came up, really big, 
and I really didn't like that. 

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And also, I think, The YouTube 
was, I think still is but back 

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then, even more. 
So was flooded with by bit 

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leverage Traders, referral links
here and there and like, I just 

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don't think that's true 
valuable. 

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I mean, everybody can do 
whatever they want. 

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But, yeah, I just wanted to make
a more fundamental content 

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Channel. 
And yeah, no. 

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I'm just basically all in & 
Kosmos on that end, but I'm also

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very interested in other 
ecosystems. 

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I'm not just only Cosmos, but 
that's where I spend most of my 

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time in. 
Yeah, yeah, that's it. 

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I think we all share that. 
Yeah, Channel. 

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I know for a lot of people, it's
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So many people, I thought I 
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ecosystem through you. 
It was really funny because I 

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think I've been on your podcast 
like on your channel, a couple 

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of bunch of times, and you 
always have to bring me. 

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This was really fun to like turn
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Yeah, I enjoyed that actually, 
it's cool. 

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I don't have to prepare myself. 
Yeah. 

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So how did you go from, you 
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and a lot of causes videos to 
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I've I've done events before 
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year many in. 
Before I've done one in Buenos 

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Aires like a general crypto 
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when we're living in Shanghai, 
2018, 2018, okay, I went there 

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because I studied Chinese and 
economics Germany, but then, I 

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had one exchanger in China. 
And that's where I met other 

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guys. 
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in Shanghai. 
Yeah, which was really cool. 

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There was a big success. 
So, I was ahead. 

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This Background of like doing 
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I think there's also my what I 
love my skill is just Connecting

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People. 
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Right in like the goal for this 
customers was also like to just 

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get all of you guys together. 
Look the doors for 34 days and 

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then you guys talk. 
I just I just enjoy it. 

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But yeah, so the background and 
the passion just for connecting 

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people and then yeah, it was it 
was coincidence and luck I 

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guess. 
And the right timing when I 

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moved to Spin last year. 
That I also met the right guy, 

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's with myself a boundary 
because I could never do this 

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alone, right? 
So when we saw that, hey there, 

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Solana break point and there's 
ceaseless, Khan is less pain and

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less corn and whatever and 
Evelyn's house requested. 

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No, no Cosmos event like the 
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least in this week, right? 
At least one meet up because I 

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knew you are were coming anyways
right? 

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For you all this system events. 
Yeah and then we basically Came 

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together and we said, let's make
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least and then this little idea 
for like maybe we can have some 

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presentations and then maybe we 
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then it turned out to be two 
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Seven hundred people showed up 
but I think yeah just was also I

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think the first time after years
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Cosmos so it was just the right 
timing black and yeah, the red 

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City to start like the first 
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the only guy. 
Sometimes rules that existed 

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before that was the inner chain 
conversations that happened in 

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Berlin and it was like this kind
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see like this first Cosmos 
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and of course, like Azam Azam 
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but then like I remember seeing 
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What the fuck is this? 
Who's cleaning? 

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This thing is the ICS behind the
ICF like, who is this? 

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And yeah, I mean like I totally 
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do a meet-up and then it turns 
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also have so similar thing with 
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first, I want to do like a kind 
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then it became like this. 
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but it was like you know, three 
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want to turn it into a 
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So I things in Cosmos like 
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like just really I think proof 
that even like this. 

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That's just cause a verse from 
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showed up here, feels like at 
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least with the energy and 
everything. 

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And, you know, and we're in a 

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bear market now. 
So, you know, that's and also, 

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you know, that there's no Mary 
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said, like a lot lost last year.
It was that sort of co-located 

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with, like, all these other 
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So there was a lot of spillover 
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I know, you know, it wasn't a 
great Securities, ready? 

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I know everyone was like walking
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great, it was anywhere cause but
here it's like, know everyone 

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was here. 
Came specifically just for this 

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event, right? 
They had to come all the way to 

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Medellin for like Cosmic were. 
So just shows like how Much the 

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community has grown in the last 
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little bit of credibility. 
Obviously also for Colombia from

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def con right which is happening
in a week. 

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Yeah are two weeks in Bogota but
I think yeah like I said I mean 

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I know you told me this in the 
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customers deserves its own 
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Not Cloud chasing other events 
or other communities. 

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Like we're big enough to do this
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has proven that we actually are.
And I think, In total, we had 

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over 1,500 people. 
There saying, yeah, that's a 

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crazy. 
There were like, people showing 

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up. 
I didn't even know, like, crazy 

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crazy people. 
I may have told people that, 

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hey, drop it, take a look like 
anybody away at least said, I'm 

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not aware of that, but I think 
from over 35 countries, which is

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that's the crazy part to me. 
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Jacob, right? 
Jacob. 

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Flew in from Vietnam? 
Yeah, like that's a crazy trip. 

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It's a funny, our trip. 
And now he's going back with an 

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awesome tattoo. 
I don't know which control of 

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others. 
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Yeah, we got it. 
There's people that flew in from

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Australia, from Japan, Hong Kong
South Korea like real. 

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A lot of the US with your from 
from India. 

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A lot of them exactly in Europe.
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So that I think that's so cool 
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they're just they just came for 
this specifically. 

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Like a lot of Latinos, right? 
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Argentina, Mexico, Peru Chile 
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Dominican, the Dominicans are 
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Like and you can also tell like 
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host customers next, right? 
Like, you can see, we're already

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small communities exist, right? 
Like the Dominican Republic is 

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is a small country, but they 
have already like 3040 hardcore 

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cosmonauts, right? 
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excited to maybe one day, host 
customers there. 

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R. 
And you know why not Punta Cana?

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So yeah, that's great speech - 
there? 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
It was a semi, like, I think all

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the people that were saying, you
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we roll cosmonauts. 
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people with Kosmos, t-shirts 
everywhere, like, like, what the

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locals listening, like, what's 
this costumes? 

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They you like even, I mean, even
the somewhat drivers, either 

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came to the conference or like, 
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Cosmos events. 
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it and funny thing that kid a 
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actually a big restaurant. 
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everything was over, they told 
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ever that we're running out of 
food is like crazy. 

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Like every single room in the 
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They have 300 rooms. 
I think nearly 200 were from 

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cosmonauts. 
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other people here and it's an 
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there. 
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anyways, but nearly every room 
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single room for the conference 
like every single meeting room. 

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Every single conference room, 
three different floors. 

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I think from like the amount of 
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never had this here. 
Yeah, the region team booked an 

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entire Hotel. 
I was talking to Greg and he's 

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like, yeah, we just want an 
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We booked like all these rooms 
in this Boutique Hotel and it 

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turns out we just have the whole
hotel so they're like throwing 

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parties in the sauna and I yeah,
wow. 

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Yeah. 
So what, what were the It can 

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big highlights for you guys here
in terms of announcements. 

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I mean, like obviously there's 
the atom 2.0 announcement. 

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We we can talk about that. 
But yeah, maybe before we talk 

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about that, what kind of other 
important highlights? 

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Yeah. 
I mean, I think there's a lot of

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a lot of different things. 
I think you know I got I was 

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going to talk about some of the 
mesh Securities. 

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Yeah. 
That people in the about for a 

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long time and just you know I 
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kind of all intuitively thought 
about a new it that was going to

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happen in. 
Yeah. 

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Yes, but like, it was able to, 
like kind of formalize it a 

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little bit and put the ideas 
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like so that. 
Yeah, I think that was really 

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fun. 
And then on top of that, just 

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like, I'm just like, seeing a 
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projects like, like talk a 
little bit more like Babylon for

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example, that was super cool. 
Yeah, I did an interview with 

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with Fisher own a time out this 
week. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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So that that's really cool. 
Got, you know, and just like 

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seeing An update on like, what 
everyone is working on. 

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Yeah, so that was really just 
fun to see. 

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So, yeah, let's talk about this 
mess. 

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Security thing is, like I said, 
it's something that. 

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I mean, it certainly I've been 
thinking about like, you know, 

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in sort of abstract ways but 
never really put a name on it or

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but this idea that basically 
chains can secure each other and

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create this kind of look, strong
bond between like all chains. 

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Yeah, the idea is just this is 
that, you know, the point of 

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Cosmos is Okay. 
Interchange security is not 

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supposed to be a hub and spoke 
system, right? 

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If we just end up building 
another Hub and spoke system, 

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we're no different than every 
other ecosystem, right? 

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Polka dot at the area with their
Roll-Ups. 

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Everyone is building like one 
Central chain and then a bunch 

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of things that depend on it. 
And that's like, you know, 

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that's cool but like the point 
of Cosmos is like to build this 

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like truly decentralized system.
No one chain at the center and 

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to do that. 
How do you make that work, 

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right? 
So how do these Sovereign, how 

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can we have a network of many, 
many sovereign change. 

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No, we go. 
I often go around pitch. 

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This option Vision to have 
people, but then there are 

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first. 
Question is always like labor, 

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how is this all going to be 
secure, right? 

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Don't you need like etherium 
level security or polka? 

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Dot level security and the 
answer is all of the options are

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going to secure each other. 
So it kind of like the NATO 

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model where it's like okay NATO 
is a collection of sovereign 

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countries. 
They all have Our own governance

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systems. 
They don't interfere in each 

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other's internal politics. 
But if they have a joint 

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security mesh, where if any one 
country gets are packed all of 

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them, sort of rush to each 
other's defense. 

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I love how you always bring us 
back down. 

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The geopolitics, like the 
geopolitics analogies that you, 

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that you provide to kind of, you
know, help help understand how 

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this is going to work. 
So effective, and when you gave 

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this slide, we like the NATO, 
all the NATO countries and like 

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all the alliance's that they 
have. 

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And also this kind of like this,
the shared security that At that

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exist between them. 
I think is like a really 

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accurate analogy of what this 
might look like. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So I think that's, that's, you 

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know, we've always thought a lot
about like, when we're designing

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Cosmos like to, if you a little 
bit of a technical system, but 

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it's also like a political 
economic system as Bucky would 

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like to fuck you likes to say 
and you know, where we're 

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thinking about the technical 
side of things. 

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We often look at the internet 
for inspiration, we're looking 

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at like, the political economic 
situation. 

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We really do like to think about
like oh how do communities form,

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you know, how to Sovereign 
communities interact with each 

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other? 
And you know, go as like as 

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Bucky like to say what we're 
building is you know we're not 

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building the world computer and 
Cosmos, right? 

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We're building the community 
computers. 

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Yeah. 
And how do communities interact 

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in the real world? 
Their clocks hands are gonna 

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have like similar interfaces or,
you know, relationships as well.

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How far do you think is Indigent
security or an endgame furniture

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and security because Like 
version one obviously, which is 

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very ecstatic in that sense and 
then version to version 3, how 

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far is my security? 
Because I still have to listen 

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to your target is, I was just 
running around, I couldn't. 

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That's what plane rides reform, 
and download all the toxins. 

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How far is that away my 
security, your messenger that 

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you have from the endgame of 
ICS? 

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Yeah, I think it's obviously a 
little bit more complicated for 

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sure. 
Then the V1, what mesh security 

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really is, is the V3 design, But
run bi-directionally, instead of

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one chain providing security 
bills, don't reggiani three in 

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opposite directions for my 
understanding. 

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I believe the informal team had 
actually pause development on B2

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and B3 because they found what 
they thought there was like 

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issues with it and so what we 
were able to do was like help 

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them, explain the cleaning. 
Oh, this is actually how you 

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solve this issue and this issue 
at this issue. 

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And I think they're like pretty 
on board again with the with 

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moving towards this idea. 
So try to Young yesterday about 

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like I think they're also really
excited about my security as 

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well and over to help build 
this. 

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I know I know that I know Jake 
from Juno is like so excited. 

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He's like he's like ready to 
start hacking on it this weekend

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at how causa and he's like, 
okay, we're gonna start building

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a prototype right now like him 
and even fry. 

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And and I repaid would try to 
like build some for some 

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primitive pieces. 
Today obviously this all going 

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to end but you know, the second 
interesting thing is like, kind 

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of like randomly independent, 
one thing, I think I've 

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realized. 
By just talking to people at 

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this conference and just like 
seeing how the same development 

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is I think that we have to start
treating Cause And while some as

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a more like a core piece of the 
cosmos pack, where it just like 

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so much faster to do faster than
they could prototyping in the 

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causes us to K is really 
supposed to be this like kernel 

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level code where you need, if 
you need to touch the Deep 

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stuff, like, staking, or how 
transaction fees were that stuff

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should really be in, like, 
Cosmic and SDK but like, you 

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know, defy logic. 
New IBC, protocols. 

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That stuff is way faster than 
writing IBC. 

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And I think almost. 
Yeah, it's in Cosmo. 

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Awesome. 
And I think that like all Cosmos

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change actually going forward, 
or it causes SDK change, at 

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least, should Implement some 
sort of permission cause a 

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Muslim like similar to ours, 
Moses does. 

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And I think change that don't 
honestly are going to be like, 

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kind of Left Behind. 
We've actually added, you know, 

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we have our first core module 
that we've written in cause 

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Muslim now, which is I, IDC 
rate, limiting. 

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It's like a way of you know, 
dealing with hacks and yeah, 

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where it's like it says Hey only
20% of at IBC Channel TV l or 

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whatever. 
Can go every six hours or so. 

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Okay, right. 
Basically all your IBC can 

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already see transfers are going 
through cause I'm awesome. 

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They're not going through the 
like, what different level, 

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00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:14,000
well, they told you, the causes 
of, when it receives fun, 

449
00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:17,600
obviously packet, it passes it 
to the cotton balls on contract 

450
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,200
that does the rate limiting. 
And, and then the cosmic and 

451
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,700
then the Caldwell Contra. 
It's like a middleware stack. 

452
00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:26,200
Is that you awesome? 
So interesting. 

453
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:32,900
Okay, so with regards to, with 
regards to like this permission 

454
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,500
permission cause a Muslim thing 
you just mentioned, can you 

455
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,400
explain what what you mean by 
that? 

456
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,800
Why would it be permission? 
Why would just be 

457
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,400
permissionless? 
Because I don't think that, you 

458
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,900
know, you don't want to 
permissionless chain writing 

459
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:45,500
instructor pulling whatever you 
want. 

460
00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:47,100
Write this more of a way of 
life. 

461
00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:48,400
Oh, I see. 
So you're saying that. 

462
00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:51,500
Change to deploy causing Muslim 
as a way to implement other 

463
00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:55,100
sorts of functionality for their
chain and at a minimum and then 

464
00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:57,500
perhaps like some other like 
exactly. 

465
00:23:57,500 --> 00:23:59,000
Yeah. 
So like this IDC rate limiting 

466
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,400
contract, we are going to add a 
cosmos this but, you know, I'm 

467
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,100
sure other chains will want to 
add it as well, okay? 

468
00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:07,600
So you know, yeah, it doesn't 
way of iterating, quick more 

469
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,400
quickly on features. 
Yeah. 

470
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,600
Okay. 
Like, as opposed to say like the

471
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,100
etherium route where they built 
all these These four core 

472
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:18,100
functions like into the evm. 
Yeah. 

473
00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:21,100
In Cosmos it would be better to 
build them as contracts and you 

474
00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:23,300
have the core modules call them 
Zach, okay? 

475
00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:25,100
Very interesting. 
So, one of the things that our 

476
00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:27,600
team has been working on a lot 
over the last like, you know, 

477
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,200
three or four months is like, 
deepening the relationship, like

478
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,200
the inter, how easy? 
Because right now, you have a 

479
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,500
lot of teams who are like, very 
Cosmos SDK focused, right? 

480
00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:39,000
Like they don't, they don't use 
cause Muslim. 

481
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,800
Then you have a lot of teams 
that are very kazim, wasn't 

482
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,600
focused on like you know, confio
team the build Cosmos. 

483
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,200
They kind of really only think 
in terms of cause and bosm. 

484
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,800
Yeah. 
Juno is very much like, you 

485
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,300
know, they're their core chain 
is very, very minimalistic and 

486
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,300
they have a lot of cool Logic on
the cause of Muslim side, but 

487
00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:58,400
osmosis we Ike have a lot of 
stuff happening on the causes 

488
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,900
SDK side and a lot of stuff 
happening on the cosmos some 

489
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:02,500
site. 
And so, we've had to spend a lot

490
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:07,300
of time like making the 
interaction process between 

491
00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:09,200
these two systems like very 
seamless. 

492
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,000
And so, yeah. 
So I think that that tooling 

493
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000
that we go to is going to start,
to be able to be used by more 

494
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,300
change as well. 
Well, what do you think in that 

495
00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:19,000
context? 
Then around the prop 69 

496
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,200
implementing cousin was among 
the cosmos harp which failed and

497
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,800
now they're building Neutron, 
which is a smart contract 

498
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,800
platform. 
So what are you thoughts on that

499
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,300
for her? 
Oh, I better get some props and 

500
00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:32,900
I so II think it was like, a 
no-brainer. 

501
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,400
Yeah. 
What do you think about? 

502
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,600
Yeah, I mean, hearing you now. 
I think that perhaps it makes 

503
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,600
sense to implement it on the 
cosmos chain as as a on the 

504
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,500
cosmos obtained as kind of a 
permission thing. 

505
00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:46,700
So that more Of the will come to
it. 

506
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,800
Yeah, I also felt that having 
caused a Muslim on the cosmos 

507
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,700
tub was was not. 
Yeah. 

508
00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:56,200
I think I voted no on that as 
well and like yeah, it's not the

509
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,200
role of the cosmos hope so. 
I think especially after having 

510
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,500
2.0 probably C9, wasn't for 
permissionless, causing wasn't? 

511
00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:04,200
It was for permission to Cosimo.
So isn't okay. 

512
00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:07,300
And I guess, I don't think it's 
the point of it is not add more 

513
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:09,600
functionality to the hub 
necessarily, right? 

514
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,900
It's I think it was two, Be able
to like add new IBC, protocols 

515
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:18,400
or, you know, for example, you 
know, the composable team is 

516
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,300
building the substrate IDC. 
Yeah, but how it's actually, the

517
00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:25,400
IBC client is actually can be 
written in God and walls, mmm. 

518
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,600
And so it's like, other. 
I feel you need to this more. 

519
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,400
And more of the stack, is that I
move towards that? 

520
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:34,900
Yeah, maybe after osmosis 
influence this and, you know, 

521
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:37,900
starts building useful features 
and cause them was maybe other 

522
00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:39,300
people start following that 
model. 

523
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,200
That's kind of what I think. 
That's what our plan is like, 

524
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,500
you know, works. 
Start domestic. 

525
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:44,800
You ready process with chains 
that have caused Muslim enabled.

526
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,400
So you know, we'll have osmosis 
and to know and stargaze and 

527
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,400
everyone start doing the message
security and then hopefully more

528
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,500
change will start to add it. 
So I don't you want to do you 

529
00:26:54,508 --> 00:26:56,100
know this? 
But did you did you plan this 

530
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:58,200
before with the, you know about 
it? 

531
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:05,900
I know anything, you don't know 
the details beforehand or 

532
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:12,200
whatever, but I asked too much, 
I wanted to get surprised Self. 

533
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,100
But yeah, it was cool. 
It was awesome. 

534
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:16,400
I also don't like that they 
chose customers to like 

535
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,400
shareholders like because you're
asked only for announcements and

536
00:27:19,408 --> 00:27:23,300
like across the board, almost 
every presentation had some 

537
00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:26,700
Alpha in it, some big 
announcements, Right started, 

538
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:30,600
they also known some stuff 
intercooled, staking or 

539
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,200
something like that, with, with 
their entities, if you haven't 

540
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,200
listened to this one time. 
Pretty cool stuff. 

541
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:40,100
Yeah, I think Adam 2.0. 
I mean, this was, I think for a 

542
00:27:40,108 --> 00:27:42,600
lot to buy the rumor, sell the 
news the event for the 

543
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,600
conference. 
Yeah. 

544
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:47,900
But then also Jelena dropped the
couple of consumer chains that 

545
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:50,600
are coming with you SEC. 
Obviously being a big one for 

546
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,100
you. 
Guys also have been involved and

547
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:56,200
I think getting this done and 
yeah, I think Adam 2.0 is 

548
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,500
obviously a Long play, but I 
think it's the first time that 

549
00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:03,900
there's specific roadmap for the
cosmos Hub and yeah we'll see 

550
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:06,100
how it plays out but I think 
they're still think that they're

551
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:08,600
putting it on the firm now. 
Then there's still some feedback

552
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,900
and it has to go and change. 
So I think it still needs a 

553
00:28:10,908 --> 00:28:14,800
little bit. 
Maybe also to be refined but I 

554
00:28:14,808 --> 00:28:19,300
think in general it's a pretty 
cool thing touches about touches

555
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:21,700
on a lot of the things we're 
going to have an odd term. 

556
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:25,600
Not just not just inflation, but
also governance, some of the 

557
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,100
additional utilities right to 
also make the costumes, have the

558
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:32,600
and service provider for other 
chains without having to enforce

559
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,100
dependencies on the Hub. 
So, yeah, we'll see. 

560
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:38,000
I think I'm excited about it, 
but I'm excited about it. 

561
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,000
A lot of changing and Cosmos, 
but yeah. 

562
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,800
I'm quite optimistic about I'm 
2.0. 

563
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:47,900
I think that it was like a 
necessary thing in order to 

564
00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:51,500
bring actual value and utilities
or the cosmos Hub and sort of 

565
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:55,800
set it on a track to remain 
relevant long-term as an atom 

566
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,900
holder. 
I'm quite excited about it. 

567
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,100
Also as you know someone who's 
been a core believer in the the 

568
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:06,100
cosmos Vision like the app chain
vision and everything that you 

569
00:29:06,108 --> 00:29:08,700
know, you guys have been working
on for the last whatever six 

570
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:10,400
years. 
I think it's great. 

571
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:15,200
I think the The yeah, I wrote 
this blog post a couple of weeks

572
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,200
ago. 
Basically, like asking a 

573
00:29:17,208 --> 00:29:19,200
question like an interesting 
security. 

574
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,200
Say the cosmos help from from 
becoming irrelevant and I think 

575
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,900
like I'm 2.0 also is a step in 
the right direction. 

576
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,600
I do think that the I think that
the cosmos have needs many, 

577
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,300
many, many more chains using 
International Security. 

578
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:35,700
If you want to stay relevant, I 
think, like, this is, this is a 

579
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:39,600
great announcement set, right? 
Like 55 or 6 chain. 

580
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:46,000
So basically, like, Going to be 
stride, you SEC, there's this 

581
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:52,000
flash, that's Mev pain, staking 
liquid state, where the quick 

582
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,000
cells are so overwhelmed truck. 
Silver is not having like yet 

583
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,700
and I said, yeah, it's try going
to be using strike has been 

584
00:29:57,700 --> 00:30:00,100
using it. 
Yeah, but I dream about the way 

585
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,200
I was about four or five of them
Neutron of course. 

586
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:05,900
But I think that there needs to 
be a real concentrated Business 

587
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:09,100
Development effort on the part 
of say, like the ICF and 

588
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:13,100
informal and all these teams to 
start, Art doing business 

589
00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:15,400
development. 
And I think that there's an 

590
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,200
opportunity. 
I talked about this on the panel

591
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,700
that I hosted with Marco and 
owner. 

592
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,900
There's an opportunity to really
position Cosmos and the Hub as 

593
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:27,800
sort of an enterprise-grade 
ecosystem where toward more like

594
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,900
traditional companies and 
institutions can start using 

595
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:34,000
Cosmos. 
And my, the way I see this, as 

596
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:39,200
the cosmos SDK is absolutely 
proud of, like the best 

597
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,400
technology stack to start 
building. 

598
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,900
Decentralized applications and 
progressively decentralized 

599
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:46,800
them. 
So you can literally use the 

600
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,100
cosmos SDK as like a database, 
right? 

601
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:51,300
It's just like, a transactional 
database that allows you to 

602
00:30:51,308 --> 00:30:55,400
build logic into it. 
And then over time, you know, 

603
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,500
companies can start opening up, 
there are their permission model

604
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:03,000
by adding validators, adding 
Partners to the validator set 

605
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,700
whitelisting users, even maybe 
doing kyc with wisely, 

606
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,900
whitelisted addresses, if they 
need to write, if they're like 

607
00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:12,600
regulated in such a way that you
can, Client, they can do that. 

608
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,500
And then over time essentially 
like plug into the internet in 

609
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:19,000
the same way, the companies in 
the 2000s and like 90s and 

610
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,800
2000's were going from intranet 
to intranet by enabling IBC. 

611
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:27,500
I think that's, I don't know, 
like who needs to do this, but 

612
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:30,600
like someone needs to build the 
framework and, and sort of 

613
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,600
handhold companies through 
through this process. 

614
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,700
And I don't know if it's the ICF
or like the builders program and

615
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:41,900
wet by like, it needs to happen.
One of our like biggest 

616
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:43,800
investors. 
It's Ribbit Capital. 

617
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,200
Yeah, you do not land but they 
you know, they are one of the 

618
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,200
biggest like traditional fintech
be seized. 

619
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:53,600
You know they were early in any 
fan, kick up, you can imagine. 

620
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:54,900
Yeah. 
And then they've been doing 

621
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:58,900
crypto for a while there very 
early employee base but they one

622
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:03,300
of the reasons that they like 
bet big on osmosis was that you 

623
00:32:03,308 --> 00:32:05,900
know they have this giant 
fintech portfolio and they just 

624
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:08,000
believe that like one day all of
these good day companies are 

625
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,600
going to have their own blog 
change and Cosmos is the stack 

626
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,000
to do that and osmosis is the 
center of Cosmos. 

627
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,700
And so they're like okay that's,
you know, this is why the but 

628
00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:18,000
like that idea that like hey all
of these companies are going to 

629
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,200
start to migrate on to their own
Sovereign blockchains. 

630
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,900
Yeah, it makes total sense like 
I mean you know when when we're 

631
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:29,400
building stratum and in 2015 you
know we were already using 

632
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,200
tender met with their customers 
and the challenge that we had 

633
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,200
back then, was that? 
There was no ecosystems, right? 

634
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,900
We're trying to build 
consortiums, which I like those 

635
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,500
crosses. 
Those look husband says he 

636
00:32:37,508 --> 00:32:40,300
fails, so, but like the 
challenge, That we had, is that 

637
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:43,900
we were trying to build consort 
camps and it just wasn't working

638
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:45,600
because like, that's an enormous
feat. 

639
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,300
But if you have an ecosystem, 
that already exists where 

640
00:32:48,308 --> 00:32:50,900
there's economic activity where 
there's liquidity, where you can

641
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:54,700
build a business and, and start 
cursor, like redesigning 

642
00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:58,300
existing business models to work
on on blockchain house was the 

643
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:01,400
perfect place to do it because 
there's active activity there. 

644
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,900
But not only that because you're
as a company you're able to 

645
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:07,800
build your application in a 
permission or more like 

646
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,800
controlled way and then over 
time Depending on your business 

647
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,300
needs, open it up to other to 
other players in the ecosystem. 

648
00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:18,300
If you wish, which is something 
that's, you know, just not 

649
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:20,800
possible on aetherium because 
like because you share the 

650
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,700
security with all the chains, 
you share the bandwidth oil 

651
00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:24,000
change. 
I mean, maybe with a theorem to,

652
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:27,800
to that's changing a little bit 
but causes just seems like the 

653
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,800
perfect way to do that you have.
I think we also see that we 

654
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,300
actually have proof for that 
already because we see from both

655
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:38,100
sides right at the institutional
side, there were also a couple 

656
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:41,100
of big couple of weeks. 
He sees here at the conference 

657
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,700
and they didn't make a big thing
out of it, but they were just 

658
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:45,100
want to make their homework. 
Yeah. 

659
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,800
And then I had to live stream 
last week with fnac, which is a 

660
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,300
90. 
Yeah, refined and this guy like 

661
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:54,400
we're just talking on telegram 
right now and he's like, man, 

662
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,900
this is cool to school. 
So are you here as like he 

663
00:33:56,900 --> 00:34:00,600
couldn't, he couldn't be here 
this time, but he watched our, I

664
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,600
think, at least this was 
watching, all the presentations 

665
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,900
are least, the ones that he is 
interested in on the stream. 

666
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:09,500
But yeah, they're, they're super
interested in hyped about it. 

667
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,600
And I think the fact that Cosmos
is not top down, and in that 

668
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,500
sense where there's one 
organization that does all the 

669
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:21,000
marketing, all the conferences, 
all the Investments, all the 

670
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,800
Beady, but there's like 
different teams that all work 

671
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,300
together, better. 
Sometimes in a good way, 

672
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:31,600
sometimes there's drama but I 
think that's very interesting. 

673
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,400
It's a different vibe that we 
have in Cosmos as to compare to 

674
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,600
any other ecosystem. 
You can even side, see that with

675
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,900
customers and we what we did. 
Our customers, we couldn't do it

676
00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:45,400
in other ecosystems like, if we 
did it in Solana, like Solana 

677
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,600
Foundation or whatever, it's 
running. 

678
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,199
Breakpoint like we can't do 
that. 

679
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:52,100
Yeah, I uh, K is running the 
cardano stuff, parrot is running

680
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:54,500
all the polka dots. 
Tough New Foundation is running 

681
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:57,700
all the new conferences and all 
the stuff we could only do it in

682
00:34:57,700 --> 00:35:01,100
Cosmos. 
So because there is no Central, 

683
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,400
giant entity that runs 
everything in at once to be 

684
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,200
everywhere. 
And I think that's a cool thing.

685
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:12,400
And the second thing is also a 
project Why cc dydx is the best 

686
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,600
example? 
Obviously, I think they had some

687
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,800
people here actually, but they 
just chose Cosmos for the app 

688
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,000
chain architecture and for 
because it fulfills, whatever 

689
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,400
they want to build and you see 
more and more projects that are 

690
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,800
doing their homework. 
Potentially also migrating over 

691
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,300
to Cosmos, either the own chain 
or building on any cousin wasn't

692
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:33,200
Channel there. 
And there's multiple out there 

693
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,400
that you can use or use interest
in security. 

694
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:38,500
I get so many different ways and
I feel like it's all coming 

695
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:41,400
together. 
I think over the past years ever

696
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,300
since I returned Cosmos was 
never the fleshy project that 

697
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:47,500
had a lot of hype and you know, 
crazy stuff going on. 

698
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:51,400
But I think now it's all coming 
together in a very organic way 

699
00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:53,600
and very naturally. 
And I think that's the most 

700
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,300
sustainable way even though 
Autumn didn't pump on the Autumn

701
00:35:56,300 --> 00:36:00,100
to pronouncement. 
I think long term a term and all

702
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:04,000
the other coins in the ecosystem
will gain more and more market 

703
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,500
shares because it's just build 
in a more Mindful and 

704
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:10,100
sustainable way. 
And you can see this Chris all 

705
00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:13,000
teams like literally as Moses 
team and the Stargates team 

706
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,900
that, you know, team like 
they're just so focused on 

707
00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:19,600
building and also that attracts 
real users, real protocol 

708
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,100
revenue. 
And I think that's way more 

709
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:24,600
sustainable than having a quick 
pump because some disease buying

710
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,600
it and then, you know, slowly 
dies off for for a long time. 

711
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,000
So there's another conference 
going on at the same time in 

712
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,500
Singapore can talk and every 
night and everybody was saying 

713
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:37,000
is like 65 percent feces here 
and you know like Nick nutmegs a

714
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,500
lesson. 
Thank God this conversation. 

715
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:41,200
Place. 
It takes all the boring. 

716
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,600
We see that, we can have fun. 
But on that note of like, 

717
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,500
centralized sort of, you know, 
planning that, you know, there 

718
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:53,500
is, I think some debate around 
whether or not it's it helps 

719
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:58,700
long-term to align people on 
like, you know, shared visions 

720
00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:01,900
and aligning people on like 
building the right things, you 

721
00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:04,500
know, in Cosmos. 
We don't really have that same 

722
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:09,300
sort of centralized planning as 
perhaps--and in Solana or some 

723
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:11,500
of these other This isn't that 
you mentioned, but there is the 

724
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:17,900
ICF there is, you know, 
interchange and bah and their 

725
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:21,200
informal systems and to some 
extent animatic night and they 

726
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,700
still hold, like, I think a lot 
of the, you know, power and 

727
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:27,900
perhaps, like, sort of memetic 
power as like, you know, these 

728
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,800
institutional organizations 
within Cosmos. 

729
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:33,800
There was a presentation, by 
youth in Buckman and I also did 

730
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,400
an interview with him. 
She won't watch that it's on the

731
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,100
channel where he talks about 
redesigning the ICF. 

732
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:41,500
What would you guys? 
I think of, you know, yeah, what

733
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:45,300
do you think of the ICF and 
like, does it need to change in 

734
00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:50,200
a more sort of centralized 
planning more in the Loretta? 

735
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,200
Like Salon are, some of the 
other ecosystem or does it need 

736
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,600
to just be kind of a steward 
that helps the ecosystem go in a

737
00:37:56,607 --> 00:37:59,000
direction. 
I think signing can talk more 

738
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
about like because you used to 
work at tenement, right? 

739
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,300
So you can talk more from an 
Insider perspective, but for me 

740
00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:09,400
as an outsider I think it's cool
to see how this institutions 

741
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,300
exist. 
Just and help fund projects, the

742
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:14,600
ecosystem development, all these
kind of things and also 

743
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,600
conferences but they don't want 
to be necessarily the center and

744
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,800
in the central point of 
attention, everything right? 

745
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,700
They didn't want to like say, 
hey this, you know, make this 

746
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:27,600
the interchain the ICF 
conference. 

747
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,100
Right. 
They gave us the support. 

748
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:33,100
They came full force and 
foremost and 20 people. 

749
00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:36,200
A lot of field from the ICF feel
a lot of guilt from ignite here.

750
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,000
And yeah they just want to be 
part of it but They don't want 

751
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,000
to enforce to be in the center 
and I think that's really cool 

752
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,900
to see him. 
And then I think I found a wise,

753
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:47,300
right? 
Like if you look at any other, 

754
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:51,000
you can system, you can see one 
or two main figures, right? 

755
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,300
We're headed Tara with. 
Do we have Charles, and Cardinal

756
00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:57,400
even vitalik, even though they 
still in Foundation, probably 

757
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,700
doesn't hold the majority of 
the, of the east in circulation.

758
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,100
Still Batali has big impact on 
the development roadmap of a 

759
00:39:05,107 --> 00:39:07,700
theorem in that sense. 
And in Cosmos, I think most 

760
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:11,800
people don't even know who Jane 
is and Yeah, it's like they're 

761
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:16,700
super passionate, but they don't
also want to be in the center 

762
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:18,700
and get all the attention, 
right? 

763
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:24,500
So I think that's a net positive
for for the ecosystem because it

764
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:26,600
doesn't really make any 
dependencies. 

765
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,300
And, you know, yeah, you can see
like in cardano right, like 

766
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,500
charges so controversial for 
many and people just don't like 

767
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:36,500
him and that's why they don't 
like car down or in general. 

768
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,700
Yeah. 
But we don't have I think we'll 

769
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:41,000
never have this problem. 
Bangkok to be the test of time, 

770
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,700
unless Sonny gets crazy. 
I don't know. 

771
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,700
I'm so convinced that Jays, you 
know, departure was twenty 

772
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:49,900
percent, twenty percent 
convinced that it was like 

773
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:54,800
performance art because his way 
of pulling a Satoshi and was a 

774
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:57,800
very smart move. 
If that, if that's somebody, I 

775
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,900
think that Cosmos survive this I
think in 2020. 

776
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:04,100
A lot of people saw two 
customers would be dead. 

777
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,500
And like I said on stage, the 
way I got in is because I bought

778
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:09,500
some items somewhere and I 
didn't know I forgot. 

779
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:11,900
Audit and I like, okay, should I
do my research? 

780
00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:15,200
Or should I just sell it? 
And luckily, I started doing my 

781
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,800
research, but at that time at 
that time, I didn't even know 

782
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,000
what Cosmos was. 
Like, there was no one talking 

783
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,200
about it. 
It was completely dead on social

784
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,000
media. 
Yeah. 

785
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:27,300
Because it went through this 
self-destruction but survived, 

786
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:31,000
and I think, yeah. 
Also, now, with the recent, the 

787
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:36,500
most recent division of tenement
into three new entities, I still

788
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:38,800
don't understand. 
I would love for someone to 

789
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,900
explain. 
What the fuck's going on here at

790
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:43,800
who's behind what but yeah, it 
could be another episode maybe. 

791
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:48,600
Yeah I think that's just like 
further dilute stare after power

792
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,800
and impact and I think I think 
the test here it's simple. 

793
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,900
It's like look at any curved or 
ecosystem and is there a 

794
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:57,300
one-person essentially that 
like, if that person gets hit by

795
00:40:57,300 --> 00:41:00,500
a bus would the with the 
community continue to exist? 

796
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:04,000
And I think that in Kosmos, I 
don't know who that person is 

797
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,600
like, I don't know, like one 
person in Cosmos like if 

798
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,200
something were to happen to them
that the ecosystem would cease 

799
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,800
to exist. 
Just for other ecosystems. 

800
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,900
I really think that that's 
really kind of debatable. 

801
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:16,100
And yeah, I mean I think it's 
great. 

802
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,300
I think it also creates some 
challenges in terms of 

803
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:23,000
coordination, but you know, if 
personally I think the icf's 

804
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,800
role in sort of the, you know, 
these institutions, I think 

805
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,100
their role needs to be to just 
kind of Stewart and curate, a 

806
00:41:30,107 --> 00:41:33,600
very light touch way, the sorts 
of things that the ecosystem 

807
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,100
work on and like the direction 
of the ecosystem. 

808
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:39,900
And so like, you know, I think 
Bucky, you know, he He sets a 

809
00:41:39,908 --> 00:41:43,400
revision and like I think also 
has a key and of course yourself

810
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,400
Sonny like you know you're all 
very influential and and you 

811
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,300
guys helped sort of broad 
directions in the ICF and these 

812
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:50,600
institutions that can play that 
role. 

813
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,800
I do think that the ICF needs to
be more transparent though and 

814
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,300
sort of more more open 
generally. 

815
00:41:57,300 --> 00:41:59,800
Like I feel that it's it's sort 
of it's sort of an opaque 

816
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,500
organization that it's been hard
for a lot of folks, to kind of 

817
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:05,900
like understand what they're 
doing or you know, who's 

818
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:07,500
responsible for what or 
whatever. 

819
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:11,500
And like if they can just be 
sort Of providing more on the 

820
00:42:11,508 --> 00:42:13,000
ground support. 
I think would be great. 

821
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:15,700
I think one thing that's kind of
good that's happening right now 

822
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:19,900
is the ICF has always been a 
little bit pulled in two 

823
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:22,700
directions, whether it was 
unclear a little bit, whether 

824
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:26,200
they were supposed to be the 
like foundation for Cosmos the 

825
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,900
ecosystem or for the cosmos Hub 
the chain? 

826
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,400
Yeah. 
Two very different things. 

827
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,700
Yeah. 
And I think part of like this 

828
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:36,900
reorg structural reorganize 
happening right now is like the 

829
00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:38,900
Hub team that was at. 
I see. 

830
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:44,200
IG is going to be moving to 
informal and so that's going to 

831
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,900
like, you know, I think in 
foremost taking on a little bit 

832
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:51,400
more of this role of being with 
the lead Deputy for for the hob 

833
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:56,600
while now, the ICF can focus on 
being not not Hub, Focus, but 

834
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,700
being ecosystems. 
And so that's part of like what 

835
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:02,000
we're doing is what? 
Well, the new Builders programs 

836
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,100
and stuff where it's like 
getting. 

837
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,800
So currently the ICF, you know, 
it's mean. 

838
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,600
Treasuries, all that Adam's, 
right? 

839
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,900
And she's An atom's to like, 
find a lot of open public goods 

840
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:15,100
but like, you know, I think that
the public goods funding should 

841
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:20,000
be resilient against like just, 
you know, even if Adam doesn't 

842
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,400
make it, but the cosmos 
ecosystem does, we should, you 

843
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,100
know, public goods should still 
be being funded or so more. 

844
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,300
So what we're building towards 
making sure that like, hey, more

845
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:31,500
change are able to contribute to
this like pool of capital. 

846
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:33,200
Yeah, that that are working on 
public good. 

847
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,000
So like if you are working on 
core Cosmos, SDK stuff, or IBC 

848
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,800
stuff, you're not getting paid 
in this atom but your Upside of 

849
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,800
awesomo and Juno and secret and 
everything like yeah. 

850
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,800
All this old stuff and then also
just like coordinating better on

851
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,100
like how do we Market the 
ecosystem as a whole like 

852
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:53,100
getting this like narrative 
around the IBC and The 

853
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:57,500
Interchange on the Node also of 
like who is who is running the 

854
00:43:57,500 --> 00:43:59,700
show? 
I think customers we still have 

855
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,700
like all these teams. 
They still have one or two 

856
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:06,200
people that you associate the 
project with like for you in a 

857
00:44:06,207 --> 00:44:09,600
sports is a lot of people 
associate that with you Stargaze

858
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,200
a lot of them associated with 
Shane but I think like I said 

859
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,900
earlier that if one of them 
would get hit by a bus, I mean, 

860
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:17,200
there's still so much behind 
that, right? 

861
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,300
Like so many others, very smart 
developers, they're also very 

862
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:23,200
well connected with everyone. 
I think Cosmos the cosmos 

863
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,600
development is also like a mesh 
Network where it's like, 

864
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,300
everybody's like each other and 
they're like all very 

865
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:31,700
collaborative. 
And I don't honestly I mean I've

866
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:35,300
been around in other ecosystems 
also before Cosmos, but I've 

867
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:38,100
never seen something like that. 
Everyone else is more 

868
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:41,500
competitive. 
Like the there are more private 

869
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:45,000
tribal about their own stuff and
I feel like in Cosmos it's more 

870
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,000
of a joint effort between all 
these teams and even though you 

871
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,800
fuck it up, sometimes if you are
willing to make it better next 

872
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,500
time I think there's always 
still conversations going on. 

873
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:58,000
Like I think people are not 
really salty about it at least 

874
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,600
in the developer side on Twitter
of course different thing. 

875
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,300
But yeah I think the builders 
and Cosmos are very 

876
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,200
collaborative and I think that's
the real core strength of the 

877
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,100
ecosystem. 
So I'm de Bordeaux where you 

878
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:12,800
guys think, will it save the 
Hub? 

879
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,000
Price, Target ads for my first 
Target? 

880
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,400
This part is up. 
Adam 2.0 that I like and there's

881
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,000
parts that I don't. 
Okay, what do you like, what? 

882
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,900
You don't. 
What don't you like Parts? 

883
00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:26,500
I like I think the allocator 
process like, you know, this is 

884
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:28,900
something I've been pushing for 
a long time, which is, you know,

885
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:31,300
the cause which has a high 
market cap. 

886
00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:33,900
It should be using, its 
community pool to invest in new 

887
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:36,800
projects and help bootstrap that
men. 

888
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,500
You know, I supposed to have 
been doing has been doing this 

889
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:39,300
for a while. 
Right. 

890
00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:42,300
But we've had, we do these loan 
swaps, new and stargaze. 

891
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:45,600
You've got to with Axl are, but 
I think that like, you know, and

892
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,300
that's how I supposed to have 
been able to build a close 

893
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:50,600
relationships with a lot of 
these projects and I think the 

894
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,000
cost was hog, should like start 
doing similar things as well. 

895
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,400
Usually it's much larger much 
larger like the economic migrant

896
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,200
now. 
Okay, so I think that's like 

897
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,400
makes a lot of sense in else. 
But then, you know, things like 

898
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,400
interchain scheduler and don't 
really think that much sense. 

899
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,100
You know, we had a panel on TV, 
I miss it but I'm going to watch

900
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:12,400
it on the plane. 
Multiple people have told me was

901
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:13,300
the most. 
It was their favorite. 

902
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:17,800
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

903
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,100
So, you know, I just don't know 
if like, I don't know. 

904
00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:24,200
I'm not sure who the customer 
how The Interchange scheduler 

905
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,600
from the cause of stuff is gonna
be. 

906
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,200
When I think it's going to be 
more, chains are going to want 

907
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,000
to control their own, Henry VIII
capture. 

908
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,700
And so, it doesn't make sense 
for osmosis, for example, to 

909
00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:37,200
like, use that the Hobbs 
interchange scheduler. 

910
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,800
For example, here, I think this 
is the schedule is Merely for 

911
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,400
Consumer chains, right? 
On the, how I was even talking 

912
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,600
to the neutron key and even they
were like, it's an opt-in thing 

913
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,400
in there. 
Like way that we would not 

914
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,800
believe, I would read one 
another. 

915
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:49,700
Yeah. 
Okay. 

916
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,000
But I think the allocation is 
definitely very interesting. 

917
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:56,400
Also that just Cosmos has a 
stake in other networks. 

918
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,300
What do you think about the 
inflation? 

919
00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:04,000
Monetary policy implementations 
are proposal at least to be 

920
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,100
completely honest. 
I didn't read that part that I'm

921
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:12,900
not hook that Lisa dress and I 
think It creates a revenue 

922
00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:15,000
stream for the, for the 
community pool. 

923
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,100
And I think that's super 
important because there's no, I 

924
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:20,200
think less than a million at 
home in the community pool once 

925
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,700
more. 
How many, how much customers in 

926
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:24,800
the hospital for like, a lot of 
the 40 million awesome. 

927
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,100
Yeah, so that's crazy, right? 
That's like 45 million dollars 

928
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:32,100
or 43 and the Hub has 1614 stuff
like that. 

929
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:34,600
So I think there needs to be 
definitely a revenue stream. 

930
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,600
I think with that in mind, they 
also proposed now to have a nine

931
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,800
month. 
High inflation of item where 

932
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,100
some of it goes into the 
community pool, and then it goes

933
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:46,600
down. 
Gradually, I think 10 percent 

934
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:47,900
per month or something like 
that. 

935
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:53,500
To a floor of 300K item per 
month which would bring down 

936
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:55,300
inflation. 
I don't know. 

937
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:59,500
I numbers for like a lot and I 
think with that in mind, like, 

938
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:01,600
Adam can also layer. 
We talk about is also a long 

939
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,200
time ago by like that room can 
be the money of Cosmos and I 

940
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,600
think monetary policy is a big 
thing of it about it. 

941
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,600
But I think with that in mind 
and also some of the utilities 

942
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,300
that are mentioned I did I just 
briefly skim through the 

943
00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:15,900
governance part. 
There's also whole government 

944
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:19,200
section in the white paper. 
I don't know if you read through

945
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,300
that but I think there's a lot 
of interesting stuff, but I 

946
00:48:22,308 --> 00:48:25,100
think this is also stuff that is
probably more long-term. 

947
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,700
There's some needs to be seen. 
I think short term, the monetary

948
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:33,300
policy adjustments are probably 
the most important thing on 

949
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:35,700
that. 
Yeah, because yeah, needs to 

950
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:39,700
generate revenue for the pool 
and also, Be more sound money in

951
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:40,600
that sense. 
Yeah. 

952
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,900
You think you guys think that 
other chains like you know, well

953
00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:47,400
as Moses start adopting like 
some of these tools like the 

954
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:52,100
allocator or reviewing its 
monetary policy in order to make

955
00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:54,700
it more like, sound money. 
It was pretty cool. 

956
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:56,700
I want to argue that all 
specimens are going to be doing 

957
00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:59,600
most of these things. 
You know, we've already been 

958
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,400
doing loan swaps. 
We've been working with the skip

959
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,300
to build Mev systems into the 
protocol already we patch taking

960
00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:09,400
derivatives for Long time and we
did we just called it 

961
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,900
Superfluous taking, but it was 
thinking, there's a form of 

962
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:14,700
taking derivatives, right? 
And then, yeah. 

963
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:18,500
Interchange security know, we're
working towards the mesh so and 

964
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,000
that's why do I feel like this 
is actually stuff that osmosis 

965
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,800
has been working on for a while,
as well? 

966
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:26,700
Okay, I feel like we, the top 
version of these things feel 

967
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:28,400
like there's all these are 
categories, almost like how did 

968
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,100
it, maybe how to do steak and 
Groves how to do, hmm, 

969
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,400
allocation system. 
And like, you know both osmosis 

970
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,100
and the Hub have like different 
flavors up to each one. 

971
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:40,800
And I think People pick which 
one that they flavors, that make

972
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,000
more sense. 
Hmm, yeah, no, that's what makes

973
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,200
sense. 
Yeah. 

974
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,200
I think talking to makes white 
sauce was pretty cool. 

975
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,700
There's a yeah, right? 
Sup, yeah, I think one thing 

976
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:50,800
people don't realize but also 
cannot mix is that like, you 

977
00:49:50,808 --> 00:49:53,300
know, it is actually fixed 
Kappa. 

978
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:57,000
Yeah, so people like oh, it's 
this like super inflationary 

979
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,300
thing and it's really not me, of
course, in the beginning it had 

980
00:49:59,300 --> 00:50:02,200
to be because you have to roll 
it out but that's also why 

981
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,200
everybody enjoys crazy aprs, 
initially, what we needed was a 

982
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,300
distribution, we didn't have 
exactly what you said. 

983
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:11,200
Moses never had any sort of Ico 
or anything, right? 

984
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,700
So we're like, okay, we can 
Eric, we can do a little bit of 

985
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:15,600
an airdrop to have some initial 
distribution. 

986
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,200
But really, we want, like the 
airdrop to go to people who are 

987
00:50:18,207 --> 00:50:20,400
committed to osmosis right? 
And how do we, how did we 

988
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,000
measure that we were like, okay,
well, who's providing liquidity 

989
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,800
right? 
And that's just the way of what 

990
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,200
it was was an extended Ico, 
right? 

991
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:32,500
These super high inflation over 
the first few years was to do 

992
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:35,900
the initial distribution to the 
early adopters of the protocol. 

993
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:41,300
So before we wrap up here, what 
was the sort of highlights? 

994
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:44,600
Let's talk about the legendary 
stuff that happened this time, 

995
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:50,400
legends that were made. 
I mean, obviously Jacobs said to

996
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,600
is incredible. 
I think that also came out 

997
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,200
really nice. 
Like the guy, the guy, I know 

998
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,800
this guy for a couple of years 
to tattoo artist, very nice guy 

999
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:01,600
and he literally, this is 
last-minute stuff, right? 

1000
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,500
And he just brought a table, he 
brought his stuff and then 

1001
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:07,800
people just came, right? 
Right next to the DJ at like 2 

1002
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,400
a.m. 
And I sure like I want this 

1003
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,000
picture, you know, I want this 
tattoo, it on my neck or 

1004
00:51:12,008 --> 00:51:15,500
whatever and he just had a piece
of paper and then you with a 

1005
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,600
with a piece of it with a pen, 
he just wrote over it and it 

1006
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,900
just made it like free hands. 
Like, he didn't have real 

1007
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:23,200
equipment, by the way, it came 
out, I think it's incredible. 

1008
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:26,800
So, for maybe, for the epicenter
listeners, who are not familiar 

1009
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,500
with this whole story. 
So, like Jacob, Jacob, hickey, 

1010
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:34,500
and who is founder of notional? 
It's a validator. 

1011
00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:37,100
Also, like contributed to the 
ecosystem, Has been talking on 

1012
00:51:37,107 --> 00:51:39,700
Twitter for some time now that 
he would get an osmosis tattoo 

1013
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:43,300
and maybe some other tattoos and
what was your role in like 

1014
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:45,700
either organizing this and 
making this having nothing to 

1015
00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:48,100
do. 
You got the tattoo artist? 

1016
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,500
I mean, of course. 
Like Jacob said it, I'm like, I 

1017
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:54,600
can get it for you and, you 
know, we got it done. 

1018
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:57,400
I think one of the conditions 
was that he would overtake was 

1019
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,200
my son and validator said, yeah.
And I think on the day a few 

1020
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,200
hours before it actually 
happened, so I don't know who 

1021
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,400
contributed to that, but I think
it was just fun to see how the 

1022
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,800
community is passionate about 
it. 

1023
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,500
And, you know, there's nothing 
in the scene when this happened 

1024
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:16,700
like we're downstairs in his 
club and you guys can go on 

1025
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:19,100
Twitter, like, find videos of 
this, but it was in this club 

1026
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,900
and there's like a DJ up there. 
And then, because there was like

1027
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:25,300
this kind of higher spot, right?
And he was there in the corner 

1028
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,000
with this light and it just, it 
was such an interesting seed. 

1029
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,900
It felt like, I don't know, some
like mob boss, you know, out 

1030
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:37,400
there, you know, like, you know,
looking over like All of his all

1031
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:43,200
of his subjects is such a cool 
pools, an incredible picture on 

1032
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,300
Twitter where he's like, yeah, 
holding fun on the background 

1033
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:50,800
and Ethan Jelena and the tattoo 
artist, and it's crazy. 

1034
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,900
But I think the thing we need 
years and I thought, okay, I 

1035
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:57,000
thought it's Jacob and the 
quizzes are co-founder. 

1036
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,800
He also wanted to make one but 
the the tattoo artist told me 

1037
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,000
that nearly 20 people made a 
tattoo there. 

1038
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,800
Wow, and some people got 
lifetime access to cousin. 

1039
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:14,800
Is it to him and he wrote 
something on Telegram and he 

1040
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,300
showed it to me and I just said 
that sure like, yeah, ascended. 

1041
00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:21,400
And like, yeah, Coop to see the 
sit next to me and like, we got 

1042
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,500
approval and I don't know, I 
don't even know if anybody did 

1043
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:27,500
it but some people did get like 
the kind of Cosmos. 

1044
00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:29,100
Yeah, hero thing. 
Yeah. 

1045
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:30,400
Yeah, yeah. 
Crazy. 

1046
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,800
But I think this is yeah, the 
first time also that everyone is

1047
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,900
coming together and partying 
having You're good time. 

1048
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:38,400
I think it's also super 
necessary. 

1049
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,000
Is after all it's like behind 
all these behind the Cryptid 

1050
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,200
Ticker on gecko. 
There's like people right? 

1051
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,400
Yeah. 
And you can see the some people 

1052
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,300
like techno you can see what's 
your favorite drinks? 

1053
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:51,000
You have full conversations with
them? 

1054
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,800
You can view not had a session 
with Ethan back, man. 

1055
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,400
I didn't have one with you as 
I'm angry about this, as you 

1056
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,200
promised it to me here for a few
months. 

1057
00:54:00,700 --> 00:54:04,700
I'm salty. 
Now, it's just cool to like, you

1058
00:54:04,707 --> 00:54:07,900
know, really, truly me. 
Meet and sure. 

1059
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,500
Again, you've seen the talks 
you've seen announcements Pines 

1060
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:15,500
didn't pump but that's just the 
surface like what's behind? 

1061
00:54:15,500 --> 00:54:17,000
This is like all the 
conversations. 

1062
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,400
I just talked with them Lynch to
know in the hallway and he's 

1063
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,100
like when they're so cool 
tooling that we're building and 

1064
00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:25,800
I'm super excited and Jake is 
super excited and like just all 

1065
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,100
the builders and the community 
coming together and talking 

1066
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:31,600
meeting each other building 
friendships relationships. 

1067
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,400
I think that's the real value of
these of these events. 

1068
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,100
So really quick, what I need. 
Two weeks of now. 

1069
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:39,500
And yeah, what I need sleep. 
What's next for you? 

1070
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:42,000
Going to take some vacation. 
I want to stay here for a little

1071
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,700
bit, two weeks, probably. 
And then listen, these 

1072
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:49,200
Dominicans are counted upon 
talking, so close. 

1073
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,500
Like, I'm just probably gonna go
there and then, from there, back

1074
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:52,500
to Lisbon. 
Yeah. 

1075
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:54,800
Will you be in Lisbon like in 
November, when all the stuff 

1076
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,500
happening? 
Yeah, I'll be there till mid 

1077
00:54:57,500 --> 00:54:59,900
next year for sure. 
Okay, yeah, cool. 

1078
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:04,100
I think we can. 
I think we say this is a good 

1079
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:05,800
good note to end on. 
Yeah. 

1080
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,600
Wrapped Us up with. 
All right, thanks for doing this

1081
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:09,500
guy's. 
Thank you. 

1082
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,700
Thanks for having me. 
Yeah, it's been a pleasure. 

1083
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:15,300
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00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:17,700
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