1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,800 But maybe like, I mean, I'm not saying you have to do this, but 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,360 maybe like if you're it could be a good experiment to go on a 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,200 date without makeup at some point. 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,680 I. Should Yeah, I mean, I, I have 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,640 been on dates like that are not first dates. 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,640 Yeah. That has no makeup. 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,160 Yeah. And I usually find, OK, this is, 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,960 this is definitely more complicated than just having 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,760 beauty standards. But I feel like men like that I 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,960 go on dates with they don't care that much about makeup anyway. 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:39,720 It's more about like how I wanna feel about myself. 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,000 Yeah 'cause a lot of the times they can't even tell that you're 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,440 wearing like a new like shade of eyeshadow or lipstick. 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,760 Like, if they can't tell that you're wearing like, like, 15 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:56,840 sometimes I have been on dates with, like, man, that I've been 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,840 seeing, like, before when I was wearing makeup. 17 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,360 And then I was like, I'm like, oh, today I'm not wearing 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:02,400 makeup. Or do you just see any 19 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:03,560 difference? And they're like, I don't see 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,240 any difference. So I feel like it's a lot of 21 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,880 times, like, in my head that I have to wear makeup. 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,160 Yeah. Have you been on dates with no 23 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,640 makeup? Yeah, most, most. 24 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:17,320 Oh. Really. 25 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,240 Oh my God. Well, I although we're talking 26 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,160 about how this is killing women, I feel very honored that you're 27 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,600 wearing makeup to my podcast. Yeah, yeah, I wanna help those 28 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,600 clips go viral. And in fact, if you're watching 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,160 this and you think I've done a bad job with the makeup, please 30 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:33,720 let us know. Call me an ugly. 31 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,000 Well, well, Or if you think we're doing a good job, also 32 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,040 leave a comment. Yeah, tell us how pretty we are. 33 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,480 Yeah, yeah. We need both side. 34 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,640 Rebecca, what's keeping you up tonight, beauty? 35 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,000 Standards are killing women. Oh. 36 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,440 My God. But there's so many beauty 37 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,920 standards. All of the beauty standards are 38 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,000 killing women. I think if you count emotionally 39 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,240 too. Emotional. 40 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,400 I think they're emotionally killing us, and some of them are 41 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,360 physically killing us. I. 42 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:08,720 I agree. I agree. 43 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:11,920 Yeah. Wait, OK. 44 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,720 I feel like every time we talk about beauty standards, it's 45 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,440 always like a bad thing. But what if we love all beauty? 46 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,520 Is that a beauty standard or that's not a beauty standard? 47 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,840 OK, traditional American or Western beauty standards, we'll 48 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,880 say. OK, Yeah, got it. 49 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,240 You have any experience suffering from beauty standard 50 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,480 or your friends or what makes you wanna what? 51 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:34,280 What makes you? Yeah. 52 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:35,960 What's the motivation behind this? 53 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,440 I feel like not enough people talk about how like literally 54 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,040 like, OK, it's like you could break it down by like all of the 55 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,200 different things, like makeup, like a lot of like cosmetics 56 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,600 have heavy metals in them and stuff like they're like 57 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,000 cosmetics are not regulated by the FDA at all. 58 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,160 I did not know that. OK, OK. 59 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,680 You're a whistleblower. I've been having whistleblowers 60 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,840 on my podcast recently. It's good. 61 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,040 I mean, this has been out there for years, just nobody talks. 62 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,160 Like I think people just systemically don't care about 63 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:10,880 women. Yeah. 64 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,600 What's wait? Could you describe 'cause I, OK, 65 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,960 I'm actually from China, so I grew up in China. 66 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,160 I came here in 2022 so. What is the FDA? 67 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,920 No, I know. Sorry, I'll let you finish. 68 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:31,040 You're like, what's your ideal? What's describe Western American 69 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,080 like contemporary beauty standard to me? 70 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,200 I mean, very like Aryan looking, I think. 71 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,560 Yeah, like the German ideal of like, I think, I think like, you 72 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,320 know, lighter hair, smaller features, very like Waspy, 73 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,920 looking like white Anglo-Saxon Protestant. 74 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,080 Yeah, yeah. And like, I feel like that's 75 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,600 also like very, I don't know, very universal. 76 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,360 I feel like where I'm from, people also wanna, even if 77 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,400 they're not white, they wanna look like all the plastic 78 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:14,200 surgeries are made for people to look more like mixed or like, 79 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,560 yeah, it's like a compliment. If if in China if you say 80 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,040 someone looks mixed. Yeah. 81 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,800 By saying like having like bigger eyes, like higher nose 82 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,760 bridge and like fairer skin and things like that. 83 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,320 Yeah. Yeah, it's, I mean, right. 84 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:37,520 Like these are global. I mean, it's not just limited to 85 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,360 American culture like in Bangladesh. 86 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,560 Also people like it's very common to use like skin 87 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:48,040 lightening creams. Yeah, still, yeah, yeah. 88 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,360 But I, I, I don't know, Skin lightening cream is such such a 89 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,880 pseudoscience to me. It's so yeah, there. 90 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,920 But there's also, on the other side, there's also skin 91 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,840 darkening, like tanning. But I feel like there's just so 92 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:10,360 many different kinds of like beauty standards that people 93 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:13,680 work toward. Well, I think The thing is like, 94 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:19,560 no matter what you look like, societies like on average want 95 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,000 women to just feel bad about themselves and to spend all 96 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,560 their time, money and energy trying to look a way that they 97 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,240 don't naturally look. I agree. 98 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,720 What do we, what do we, how do we, what do we, what should we 99 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,520 do about it? I feel like I suffer from it, 100 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,920 from it too. But sometimes I feel like I 101 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:43,320 struggle with like, what I should be like, what I think I 102 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:49,000 should be doing and what I think would serve me good. 103 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,560 In like short terms, yeah. I don't know, it's a hard 104 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,400 question because like, pretty privilege is real. 105 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,200 And yeah, like, I'm not, I'm not judging any woman who feels like 106 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,760 they have to wear makeup or straighten their hair or do 107 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:11,720 anything to like advance at work or to get like, I don't know. 108 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:17,240 I mean I think this also ties into it's so standardized that 109 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:25,600 men aren't willing to date women in their like general area of 110 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,760 looks. Like I feel like men, like 111 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:35,320 straight men on average, aren't willing to date women that like, 112 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,200 look about as pretty as they are handsome. 113 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,800 Wait, wait, wait. Say that again. 114 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,160 I think men only want to date up in terms of appearance. 115 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:50,200 Oh yeah, interesting. Like, I feel like I think about 116 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,520 it, but I never hear someone say it. 117 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,800 Yeah, I feel like that's true. Like women are usually the ones 118 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,840 that are more attractive in relationship. 119 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:02,280 I mean, heterosexual relationships. 120 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:08,960 And I feel like in general, like there's more attractive women in 121 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,800 society than attractive men. I feel like like conventionally. 122 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,640 I, I think it's because women are shamed If like women are not 123 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:23,000 women don't wake up looking like, you know, like the like, 124 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,480 you know, women are putting on like they're getting plastic 125 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,760 surgery, probably at higher rates than men. 126 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,320 They're putting on makeup every day to like make their face look 127 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,520 more like the standard. I don't know. 128 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,200 Whereas like men get to just wake up, take a shower. 129 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,000 Yeah, I feel like when I go on 1st dates and I think about how 130 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,280 much effort I have to put into it and they can just like shower 131 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,760 and like, I don't know, do a put a little bit of hair gel in 132 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,960 their hair. That's, that's like maximum. 133 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,320 That's when you're lucky. Have you ever gone on a date 134 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,200 with no makeup? No. 135 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,200 Never. I don't know. 136 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:09,360 I feel like, yeah, I don't know. Oh my God, I've been on so many 137 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,280 days since like, since like, I don't know, college and never. 138 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:18,080 Yeah, I guess I never really never never no makeup, but I 139 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,920 have been trying to like not wear as much makeup on at least 140 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,160 on 1st dates 'cause I feel like, like I feel like it's also a 141 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,040 sign. Like I don't want to put so much 142 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,240 effort into myself when I don't know if this is going to be a 143 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,559 good out outcome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 144 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:42,840 Like, but I definitely have been in situations, situations where 145 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,360 I, I feel like I'm the most dressed. 146 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,480 Yeah. Like like the other day when 147 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,000 Ryan was here, she was talking about like comedy clubs. 148 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,800 Yeah, I always feel like I'm the most dressed. 149 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:58,960 What do you think? Do you feel, do you like, 150 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,800 resonate with that 'cause you're, you're also a comic? 151 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:09,720 Yeah, I mean, I, I'm conflicted about how much you women, how 152 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,840 much it makes sense for women to dress up for comedy shows. 153 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,720 It's sort of like, on the one hand, like there's a thing of 154 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:21,520 like, like audiences find audiences in general find the 155 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,240 underdog funnier. And so there is something about 156 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,760 being like less conventionally attractive that makes them more 157 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,640 willing to laugh with you and at you. 158 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,640 But it's also like, I think there is something very real 159 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,080 about pretty privilege and that people wanna book and talk to 160 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,600 people they find attractive. So I, I don't know, I'm like 161 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:47,960 trying to weigh the balance. It honestly depends to how good 162 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,040 of a day I'm having. Yeah, yeah, that's true. 163 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,440 I feel like, I don't know 'cause OK, I, I don't know how this 164 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,760 experience can relate to what you just said, but I feel like 165 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,040 it's something that it's worth bringing up because I feel like 166 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,840 it's very different from a lot of people. 167 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,960 So I, so I grew up, grew up in China and before like I guess 168 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:16,880 18, it's like forbidden for women, I guess students to look 169 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,960 good. Like it's like you will get 170 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,800 punished in high school and middle school if you wear like a 171 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,720 lipstick, like no, like nails. You can't have a manicure and 172 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:34,480 your hair have to be at A at a certain length and obviously no 173 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,480 dyeing hair and everything. But I think the way the fact 174 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,320 that you're framing all of that as looking good is sort of 175 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,960 problematic, you know, yeah, 'cause like, I don't think we 176 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,600 should have to put on makeup to consider ourselves, like, 177 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,760 looking good. You know, yeah, I agree. 178 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:53,760 I mean, like, it's it because I feel like I said it, I guess not 179 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,720 necessarily looking good. It's more like they are not 180 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,920 allowing like sexualization. Maybe. 181 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:03,160 I think that's the, that's the point. 182 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:08,640 But that's also, I don't know, 'cause I, I, I have a hard time 183 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,240 finding a balance between that. Because if you're like what I 184 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:18,080 experienced in high school, it's like complete suppressing the, 185 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,320 it's like almost molding everybody into the same. 186 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:30,440 I feel like that's dehumanizing because it's not just about not 187 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,760 having you look good or sexually appealing. 188 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,920 It's also about like controlling. 189 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:44,560 So if you like, like either having a like the two extremes, 190 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:47,000 that one extreme is like suppressing everything and the 191 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,360 other extreme is like so, so much pressure that you have to 192 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,880 dress up or like do make up and everything all the time. 193 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,000 So if you like I, I feel like I've experienced, I guess both, 194 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:05,440 maybe not like very, very much extreme, but I feel like I have 195 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:10,680 a hard time like deciding between which side I wanna lean 196 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,160 towards. When you were in high school and 197 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,800 middle school, did you feel like, upset about that? 198 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,760 Like did you want to wear makeup and nail Polish to school? 199 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:26,840 I feel like I I felt like I, I felt fine. 200 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,800 I didn't want to like I, I feel like I never like I'm on my 201 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,960 friends. I'm the one that's like more 202 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:39,480 like I don't really care about how I look, But maybe I'm now 203 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:44,960 thinking that maybe it's because I don't I think I have I'm also 204 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,560 OK. I guess it's also because I 205 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:54,760 think I'm, it's almost a like it's a shame to look good 206 00:12:54,880 --> 00:13:00,280 because then it probably be have a underlying meaning that you're 207 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,920 not good at what you're studying. 208 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,520 Like if I'm top of the class, I'm, I feel better about myself 209 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:11,720 than if I'm looking good. And yeah, like in high schools, 210 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,640 people would be like or like teachers. 211 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:23,600 I remember they were they would place more favoritism on like 212 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:29,080 top of the class students then best looking student and and 213 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,920 even like shaming the best looking still like you spend so 214 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:36,280 much time on doing makeup. You should have like do your 215 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,960 homework like this person, which who is top of the class. 216 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:47,400 But I feel like both that's like you're like putting people into 217 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:52,240 like like one or the other. It's not like you can't have 218 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,080 both. Yeah. 219 00:13:55,080 --> 00:14:00,720 So I felt like I was. I felt I wanted to do my nails 220 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,400 sometimes, but I felt frustrated that I couldn't do that. 221 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,920 Yeah, they both seem harmful in different ways, like you were 222 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,480 saying. Yeah, yeah, I, I feel like I, 223 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:21,400 when I was in middle school, I like, I never thought about 224 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,520 looks until middle school, 'cause I feel like 'cause that I 225 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,160 remember earlier, it's like a guy that's like he had a crush 226 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,880 on me and we're, we're really good friends and he has also a 227 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,720 bunch of good friends, but are kind of the bro Y friends. 228 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,840 And they learned that he has a crush on me and asked me to be 229 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,320 his girlfriend. And then his friends were like, 230 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,160 oh, this is what you like. Like they're like trying to 231 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,080 shame me. So. 232 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,640 And like I remember walking down the hall and this this guy's 233 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,000 friends were like, Oh my God, she's so ugly and like talking 234 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,120 to each other as if I'm not like listening. 235 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,720 So I feel like after that I'm like Oh my God like I thought 236 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,400 I'm top of the world by being top of the class and but now I'm 237 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,360 being shamed for how I look. So I feel like that's when I 238 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,680 started feeling more conscious about myself and leaning more 239 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,120 towards the so-called beauty standard or what's pretty 240 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,480 commissionally, yeah. Right. 241 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,200 It's like in today's, well, at least in America, I feel like 242 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:31,080 women have to be both like you have to be pretty and also top 243 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,320 of your career, top of like whatever. 244 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,760 I don't know. Yeah, it's AI don't like it's a 245 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,400 weird thing, but I mean, that sucks that those guys shamed 246 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,920 you. And I feel like every every 247 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,040 woman has an experience like that, or many. 248 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:54,400 Yeah, yeah, I feel like growing up there, there's more, but it 249 00:15:54,400 --> 00:16:01,080 just when when like it's like a younger kid or a teenager, it 250 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:06,560 feels more like like the effect feels stronger than now. 251 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,600 Like I feel like right now on the Internet, everybody's 252 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,960 calling me ugly, but it's fine. I don't care anymore. 253 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:18,320 Yeah. Have you like what's your how do 254 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:24,200 you feel like it like looks like affect or like beauty center 255 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,000 have affected you and your career and your life? 256 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,000 Yeah, I mean, I'm on the autism spectrum, so I'm not saying that 257 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,840 social standards don't affect me, but I don't notice them or 258 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:38,640 it takes like a lot for me to notice them. 259 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:44,080 So I kind of like, you know, I guess like I might have like 260 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,840 been more blase about it like in middle school and high school, 261 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:53,040 like I guess like I was aware that other children were judging 262 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,600 me for like how I dressed and how I styled myself. 263 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,600 But I was like, whatever, it kind of like rolled up and like, 264 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:03,160 I don't know, I guess like more to be honest, like I guess more 265 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,480 since I started trying to get into like performing in like 266 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,480 stand up and like trying to make that turn that into a 267 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,760 profession, I've been more way more conscious about it and like 268 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,119 way more trying to make an effort. 269 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,040 Oh really? Why did you want to get into 270 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,000 stand up in the first place? One of like, the more petty 271 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,040 reasons. OK, I, I've always liked writing 272 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,320 humorous things and, you know, short stories and stuff. 273 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:36,360 And I got a few pieces published and, yeah. 274 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:40,680 And it was like, so many hours of work, like writing, revising, 275 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,680 getting it submitted to places. And then, like, I don't know, 276 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,560 people were like, oh, congratulations. 277 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,160 And then, like, it was like, over. 278 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,960 And I was like, that was not satisfying. 279 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,720 And I had like, started doing open mics at the same time. 280 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,720 And it's like, wow, every time you go on stage you get an 281 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,400 immediate reaction, good or bad. Yeah. 282 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,000 And it was just like, that's so much more gratifying. 283 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:06,800 No, even if, but that's also I feel like I agree, but and also 284 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,880 congratulations on the publications and. 285 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:09,720 Everything. Thank you. 286 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:15,400 Yeah, but I don't know if you're going to open my even if the 287 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:21,360 response is immediate, it's like you said, it's good or bad, and 288 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:22,840 I feel like it's not always good. 289 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,240 It's sort of like a gambling. Thing and I feel you feel like 290 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,520 that's better than like just writing and publishing. 291 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,720 I think it's just like gambling is addictive because of the 292 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,480 highs and the lows. Yeah, you're right. 293 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,000 Whereas like writing is just sort of a study. 294 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,960 Like like oh this is fine. Yeah, I yeah. 295 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,200 It's like uncertainty keeps you going instead of like always 296 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,240 good or always bad. Yeah. 297 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:56,160 Do you know how this is a anecdote that's unrelated, but I 298 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,160 do. Do you know how I found you? 299 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:04,400 So I was performing at, I think Gotham, but I'm not sure. 300 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,760 And after the show, I talked to someone. 301 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:13,000 I'm not, I don't remember who it is, but so after my my set, the 302 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,240 person's like, oh, you're very funny. 303 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:22,520 You give this innocent look or like like a a girl next door or 304 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,680 like this kind of look. And then you tell like very out 305 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,840 there jokes and like it reminds me of Rebecca. 306 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,680 And I'm like, oh, and then I looked you up and I saw your 307 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,680 jokes and I thought you were really funny, so I followed you. 308 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:40,080 So that's, that's how I yeah. So I I'm very honored. 309 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,440 It's like a dream come true for me that you followed me back and 310 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:43,840 came to my. Podcast No. 311 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,760 Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, of course. 312 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,960 Wait, how did you find me? You followed me back. 313 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,640 I I saw your clip with Rania. Oh yeah. 314 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,600 I mean, I follow back anyone who's a comedian, but I had I 315 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,960 had seen your clip with Rania. Oh nice. 316 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,120 What did you think about my the the with Rania? 317 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:03,600 So relatable. I know. 318 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,000 I feel like I wish we should talk more about that, but I feel 319 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,600 like a lot of the relatable conversation I had with Rania 320 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,560 was more about. Like, it's, it's because we're 321 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:23,600 both comedians, but this obviously like applies to like 322 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,960 around the world, like all aspects of life. 323 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,400 Yeah. Do do you like, feel like, 324 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,680 'cause we talked about with Rania, we talked about how like, 325 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:37,520 being funny is not like a, it does not give you a like up in 326 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,880 dating and straight dating. Do you feel that? 327 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,840 100%. Yeah, how? 328 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,040 How do you feel? Like have you like. 329 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:46,120 Yeah, how? Why? 330 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,280 I think there's a thing like, it's hard to be attracted. 331 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,080 OK, I find it. I'm not gonna speak for all 332 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,880 women, but I find it very hard to be attracted to a man who's 333 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:03,880 less funny than me. Like even if I'm I've had men 334 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,720 who are willing to date me who weren't funny. 335 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,080 Well, OK. My personal least favorite is 336 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,280 men who try to be funny and fail at it. 337 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,440 Yeah. Like that's worse to me than 338 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,400 just kind of not doing any jokes at all. 339 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,080 Yeah, I agree. I feel like right after I say 340 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:27,720 that I'm a comedian sometimes and and right after that I get a 341 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,920 corny like pun like pun joke that they saw online somewhere. 342 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:34,800 I feel like that happens to me a lot. 343 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:40,280 Yeah, or like sending memes. Oh yeah, or like, oh, I have 344 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,280 this really fun story. You should put it into a joke 345 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,080 and you should thank me because I provided you with the 346 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,800 incident. But most of the time it's a not 347 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,280 so funny incident. Do. 348 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,880 You ever get men trying to offer you tags that are really 349 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,160 sexually sexually inappropriate? I can't think of anything right 350 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,680 now like tax. Like what do you mean by tax? 351 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:06,680 It's like like an extra line to add to your joke or. 352 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,200 Something I feel like definitely like, like I I just have a 353 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,720 feeling that this happened, but I can't think of anything 354 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,480 specifically right now. You blocked it out. 355 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,240 I like, I have selective memory, Yeah. 356 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,200 What about you? Yeah, not all men, right? 357 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,240 Like sometimes like men do legitimately offer good. 358 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:26,360 Yes. Right. 359 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,680 But yeah, like, I hate it when men will hear me do a joke and 360 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,680 they'll be like, oh, here would be a good way to take it. 361 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,320 And then they just say something that's like way more sexually 362 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,880 out there than like what I had said. 363 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,320 Yeah, and I feel like, but I feel like, OK, I don't know 364 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,520 about you, but I feel like something that like that happens 365 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,360 to me. I feel like I'm already sexually 366 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:51,840 out there and you're you want me to be more out there. 367 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:59,000 That's also that that also makes me feel like like this also was 368 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,440 talked about before on my other episode. 369 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:11,120 It was like like there's have you been called out saying that 370 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:14,720 you your material's too edgy or too out there too sexual? 371 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,320 Have you ever? Yeah, totally. 372 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:22,520 Yeah, but I feel like, yeah, I like and I feel like, yeah, men 373 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,440 don't get called out on that. No. 374 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,280 Yeah. And they talk about, like, sex 375 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,240 and like, sexual experience, too. 376 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,120 Yeah. And I was thinking like, like, I 377 00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:38,720 remember the first time after the first time I did comedy. 378 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,880 Like I posted that clip. I thought it was so funny and 379 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,720 there was a good guy that I barely know. 380 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,320 Then he, like replied to me and he said, oh, you're you're so 381 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,040 funny, but you shouldn't limit yourself to sex strokes. 382 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,320 Like, well, first of all, it wasn't all just sex jokes. 383 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:56,200 You only saw the sex jokes because you have selected 384 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,800 selective attention. Yeah, yeah. 385 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,800 There's a lot of a lot of other funny bits that are not about 386 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,240 sex. Yeah, my, like, I had an 387 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:10,120 experience where in the same week I posted a sex joke, like a 388 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:12,680 clip, like these are like 3060 second clips, right? 389 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,280 So I posted one that was like a very raunchy joke and a bunch of 390 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,360 men came on and were like, oh, women can only be funny when 391 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:23,280 they're talking about sex. And then a few days later I 392 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,720 posted a joke about insects and people were like, finally a 393 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,320 woman like who can be funny without talking about sex. 394 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,960 And it's like, can you only like could you like these are like 395 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,720 32nd representations of my stand up like show. 396 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,440 Yeah. And like, it sounds like you 397 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,080 can't, you can't win either way. Yeah. 398 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,080 And Speaking of posting, I feel like I've, since I've been 399 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:49,040 posting my podcasts a lot, I get so much more like, like 400 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,880 comments. And it's interesting to see 401 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,560 which ones that get viral, like the ones that has the most, like 402 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,600 better or more traffic is the ones that are sexual. 403 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,680 Like I have so many other videos that are not about sexual 404 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,040 experiences and they don't get attention, so maybe that says 405 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,920 something about the algorithm or the people who are interacting 406 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,320 with it. I think it's men get see a woman 407 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,120 talking about sex and they get angry and they come on and make 408 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:23,680 angry comments and then when OK. I think the sweet spot for 409 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,360 social media is if you post a clip that's genuinely funny or 410 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:31,600 genuinely engaging, but it makes like a certain percentage of 411 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,040 people that see it angry. So they come on and share it or 412 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,560 comment on it because they're angry. 413 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,320 But it boosts the views and then it makes more people see it who 414 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,320 will like it because it was actually funny. 415 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,480 Yes, yes, I agree. And sometimes I have like hate 416 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,760 comments and there will be people who are like later on, 417 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,880 they will like come to the comment section and like speak 418 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,840 against them. So I feel like that's like good 419 00:25:58,840 --> 00:25:59,920 engagement too. Yeah. 420 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,600 But yeah, I like under my a lot of my podcasts, if you if you 421 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,000 something people always say is raise the price for a podcast 422 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,480 equipment. And I'm like, well, it's already 423 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,360 very expensive and if you don't think it's expensive enough, you 424 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:23,400 should come buy a set of podcast equipment and make a better 425 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,680 podcast instead of coming to my podcast. 426 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,360 But. That's crazy there's so many. 427 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,080 Like I feel like 95% of if you studied it, I bet 95% of 428 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,440 podcasts are just like two or three white dudes talking about 429 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,040 absolutely nothing. Exactly. 430 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:38,400 Oh my God. And. 431 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,880 They're coming onto your podcast. 432 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,320 And you're planning like I know I would like so proud of my 433 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,000 podcast. I feel like it's yeah. 434 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,240 And another thing people say under I don't know, I don't 435 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,200 know, like I've been doing my podcast for like 4 months and 436 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,040 most of the comments are hate comments. 437 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,280 So I don't know what's going on. I I don't know if it's a good 438 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,680 thing or a bad thing. I think YouTube is just hate 439 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,560 filled. Yeah. 440 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,400 I think that's part of it. It's all the. 441 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:11,120 Platform, it's like TikTok, Instagram, but I've seen it as a 442 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:16,960 positive thing as like, I mean, I feel like for social media, 443 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,800 it's easier to focus on the hate comments, but there's also like 444 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,280 a lot more people who liked but didn't comment, yeah. 445 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,520 Yeah, you can't, like internalize the hate comments 446 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,880 'cause I I try to think of it like like, OK, when I see a hate 447 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,720 comment, I try to be like, oh, thank you, you've just helped my 448 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,960 content grow. OK. 449 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,400 Yeah, that's a good way to look at it. 450 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,880 Yeah. Whatever engagement, it's still 451 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,760 engagement. Do any of like you don't have to 452 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,520 share, but it is to have there been any particular comments 453 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,320 that haunted you? Oh. 454 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:56,040 My God, I feel like when what haunts me is usually the 455 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,160 comments from women. I Oh yeah, I feel like I, I feel 456 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,720 hurt that you're not on my side. I don't, I can't think of 457 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,320 anything in particular right now, but there definitely has 458 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,440 been. It's like like, like something 459 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,960 about like, oh, don't let these women represent us. 460 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,160 Like they're not what women should be like, something like 461 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,560 that. I hate that. 462 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,520 I know. It's like, why are you so? 463 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,040 Yeah. Yeah, I had a clip go viral that 464 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,160 it was like a it was a sketch, but it was like presented in a 465 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,320 way that it wasn't like we didn't like say like this is a 466 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,240 sketch. You had to have some sense of 467 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,560 humor. But it was like me and another 468 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,640 woman basically saying like, oh, you have to ask. 469 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,480 Like if you have to ask a woman to hold your hand, the asking is 470 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,840 non consensual basically. And like, you know, like that's 471 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,800 like not good. It was, I mean it was, it was 472 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,120 like a very like a parody of like woke like boundary like 473 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,920 conversation. But like, there was like so many 474 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,360 women that came on in the comments and were like, didn't 475 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,240 get it and thought that we were being serious. 476 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,040 Oh, I see, I see. Yeah, the misunderstanding that 477 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,640 gets me all the time. I feel like, yeah, OK, I have 478 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,560 something that I want to ask your opinion on 'cause we were 479 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:21,480 talking about beauty standards. So look like I have AI have a 480 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,240 presence on Rednode, which is like a Chinese platform, a 481 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,120 social media platform, just like Instagram. 482 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:34,240 But most of the users are like, like women who are more well 483 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:40,600 educated and you know, like, you know, like a higher, like middle 484 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:46,800 to higher upper class women. And you know, there's like 485 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,400 people are very like, I guess progressive on there. 486 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,320 And I think it's a good thing. But there's a lot of people who 487 00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:01,680 are making like feminist content and which which is great to see 488 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,560 on like a Chinese platform because I mean, feminism is 489 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,840 still like developing slowly in China. 490 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:14,560 It's not like at the stage where it is at in like American or a 491 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,000 Western world right now. So it's good to see those 492 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,120 influencers making like maybe they'll make like a skit about 493 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,000 like how women are treated poorly in the similar situations 494 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,960 as like if a if a man would be like just an example. 495 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,240 And these influencers, when they get more traffic, when they get 496 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,600 more popularity, there will be so many people in comments. 497 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,160 We're also women saying that you shouldn't be wearing makeup, 498 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,480 doing this content. I'm, I'm following you because 499 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,040 you are wearing makeup. And I don't know that that bugs 500 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,440 me 'cause I feel like you shouldn't. 501 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,000 I don't know. How do you feel about that? 502 00:30:53,840 --> 00:31:00,800 I think that we shouldn't punish individuals for their choices. 503 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,600 Like if you're punishing an individual woman for choosing 504 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:10,840 how she's adapting to a sexist society, then that's on you for 505 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,040 judging her. Like I, you know, until we reach 506 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:21,800 a point where we can accept like, I mean, I, I'm wearing 507 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,320 makeup right now, even though I'm aware that it has like 508 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,000 toxins that are probably killing me slowly. 509 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,320 You know, like, I think it's like very real to want to do 510 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,440 whatever you can to adapt in society, even if you are aware 511 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,280 that you shouldn't have to be doing it. 512 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,920 Yeah, I feel like it's more it's good. 513 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:49,120 It's OK to like do makeup if you have the with intention, like 514 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,000 you know what this is doing. You're you know what? 515 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,560 Yeah, like you said, I'm also wearing makeup right now. 516 00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:00,120 I know I didn't like always putting on makeup, but this is 517 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,360 what I should be, should be doing if I want to be where I'm 518 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:11,080 at in in some like, subtle ways, yeah. 519 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,960 But maybe like, I mean, I'm not saying you have to do this, but 520 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,560 maybe like if you're it could be a good experiment to go on a 521 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,400 date without makeup at some point. 522 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,880 I. Should Yeah, I mean, I, I have 523 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,680 been on dates like that are not first dates. 524 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,480 Yeah, that has no makeup. Yeah. 525 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:36,000 And I usually find, OK, this is, this is definitely more 526 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,880 complicated than just having beauty centers. 527 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,640 But I feel like men like that I go on dates with they don't care 528 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:49,840 that much about makeup anyway. It's more about like how I wanna 529 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,200 feel about myself. Yeah, 'cause a lot of the times 530 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,880 they can't even tell that you're wearing like a new, like, shade 531 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,920 of eyeshadow or lipstick. Like they can't tell that you're 532 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,600 wearing like, like, sometimes I have been on dates with like, 533 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,760 men that I've been seeing, like before when I was wearing 534 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,680 makeup. And then I would like, I'm like, 535 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:12,880 oh, today I'm not wearing makeup. 536 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,960 Or do you just see any difference? 537 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,400 And they're like, I don't see any difference. 538 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,080 So I feel like it's a lot of times, like in my head that I 539 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,680 have to wear makeup. Yeah. 540 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,840 Have you been on dates with no makeup? 541 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,560 Yeah, most, most. Oh really? 542 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,400 Oh my God. Well, I although we're talking 543 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,360 about how this is killing women, I feel very honored that you're 544 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,800 wearing makeup to my podcast. Yeah, yeah, I want to help those 545 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,800 clips go viral. And in fact, if you're watching 546 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,360 this and you think I've done a bad job with the makeup, please 547 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,920 let us know. Call me an ugly. 548 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,200 Well, well, Or if you think we're doing a good job, also 549 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,240 leave a comment. Yeah, tell us how pretty we are. 550 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,080 Yeah, we need both side of the voice. 551 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:03,640 When you don't have make up on like and you're like on a first 552 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,320 date or something like what what scares you about that? 553 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,120 Like do you feel like you're the way that your face looks 554 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,120 naturally isn't or like I don't know, is it something about 555 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,520 wanting to make like the most good impression that you can? 556 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,080 That's a good point. This also making me thinking a 557 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:28,080 lot. I feel like I would, I, I feel 558 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,560 like I look better with a little bit of makeup, but maybe there's 559 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:37,280 a very small margin. Like right after I done my 560 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,560 eyebrows. I feel like I'm, I'm pretty like 561 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,960 like I don't need to go into the depth of doing a lot of contour 562 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,960 and eyeshadow and eyelashes. I feel like I'm, I feel good 563 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:55,320 just with like my eyebrows done and foundation probably, but 564 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,680 usually I would go beyond just eyebrow and foundation and make 565 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,520 me have more like steps of makeup done. 566 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:10,760 And I wonder because I've also seen like videos of people 567 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,440 saying, Oh, you should be putting on makeup because it 568 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,800 makes you feel more confident and feeling good about yourself 569 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,480 can help you like do better at like what you're doing during 570 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,880 the day. So and I know I should be 571 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,200 feeling better about myself already or feeling confident 572 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,200 already without makeup, but I feel like that's a much harder 573 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,960 thing to do. And it's like requires a long 574 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:44,080 time of therapy and inward thinking it the easier way would 575 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,400 be put on putting on makeup. How do you how do you, what do 576 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,160 you think about that? Yeah, like like it's grappling 577 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,400 with your internal thing versus just taking the 10 minutes and 578 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,360 putting on. I don't know, it's hard. 579 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,760 Like I think that I have heard the argument that makeup makes 580 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,400 you more confident because you're like taking control of 581 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,840 your appearance and stuff. And I just, I feel like there's 582 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:13,680 almost no way that painting a better face over your own face 583 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,440 day after day make improves anyone's confidence. 584 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,600 You know, to like take what your, what your face like looks 585 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,920 like when you wake up in the morning and to like paint 586 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,720 basically a homogenized perfect version of it. 587 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,480 Like, I don't know, I mean when I do, I mean, sure, there's like 588 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,840 a maybe like a thing when you like look in the mirror after 589 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,680 like, right, doing it and you're like, oh, like, wow, this is 590 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,120 like what my idealized appearance looks like. 591 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,360 But I think there is sort of there's, I feel like there's 592 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,640 something kind of inherently damaging about it because it's 593 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:54,240 sort of saying like that you're not good enough unless you do 594 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:58,920 this thing. Yeah, yeah, I guess. 595 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:06,080 I feel like I know it's a quick fix to not my face, but what's 596 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,640 what how I should feel about myself. 597 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:14,160 But at the meantime I should also be doing the internal work 598 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,440 instead of just external work. It's hard, like I don't know 599 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,680 what the answer is. And like, we do live in a 600 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,760 society where people do literally treat you better when 601 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,240 you look nicer. Yeah, yeah. 602 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:32,400 So I don't know. But also I've also seen like, 603 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,240 it's not just women, it's just like, like if you have enough 604 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:48,040 power, like, like if you're, if you're the most like powerful 605 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,440 woman in the world, you don't have to look good. 606 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,600 Like maybe at that point you don't need to like that. 607 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,240 At that point you don't, you don't even feel like you need to 608 00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:00,200 put on makeup. And I don't know if that's true 609 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,840 because I don't know. I mean, I've never experienced 610 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,240 that. I I think it's almost the 611 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:07,480 opposite. Like, I mean, I know JK Rowling 612 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,880 is a controversial figure, but you know, like, whatever, 613 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,400 whether you, I'm not saying I agree with her, but she's like 614 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,160 one of the most powerful women in the world probably like for I 615 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,520 mean, she has like just so much money. 616 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,640 And if you look at like the comments on what she posts, 617 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,560 people aren't like, OK, people are disagreeing with her, but 618 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,360 like a lot of people in the comments are going after her 619 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,680 appearance. And I think like that, like she 620 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,320 is like one of the most powerful woman in the world. 621 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,840 And people are still primarily being like, oh, you look, you, 622 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,560 you're like an ugly bitch, you know? 623 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,760 But like I feel like she wouldn't have to care about 624 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,960 that. I don't know whether she cares. 625 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,520 Yeah. You think she doesn't care? 626 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,360 I don't. I don't know. 627 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,960 I was. Thinking if I if I? 628 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:59,720 Yeah, I I think it would be so hard to not let it get to you 629 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:04,960 'cause it's so ingrained. Also that like I I feel like 630 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:11,880 it's so hard to break that societal, you know, in Oh my 631 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,800 God, sorry, I'm blinging on the word like conditioning, like 632 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,440 sorry, it's so it's so hard to break the societal conditioning 633 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,360 that equates your worth as a person with your appearance when 634 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,920 you're like socialized female, you know, so I don't know, like 635 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,040 I mean, I'm sure JK Rowling pretends like she doesn't care 636 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,600 about it, but I don't know, I mean, and like whatever, she's 637 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,560 that's just one example. But like, I feel like if you see 638 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,120 any woman in the media, like people go after their 639 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,880 appearance, like the white Lotus woman would like hurt the big 640 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,560 teeth or whatever. Do you like, you know who I'm 641 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:50,600 from like the past season? Like, she got like brutally 642 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,720 ridiculed and she just has like, regular teeth, you know? 643 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,120 Yeah, Yeah. Well, I guess it does. 644 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,680 It would get into. Yeah. 645 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,600 I mean, even if I I say like, I don't really care about the 646 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,480 comments, sometimes it's because I. 647 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,280 I choose not to look at it to not have it affect me, because 648 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,680 if I look at it too much, it might still affect me. 649 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,360 This I don't know. This might, I don't know how if 650 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,640 this will be related, but it's because it's a from a guy 651 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,040 friend. I mean, beauty standard applies 652 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,120 to guys too, but maybe not as much as women. 653 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,360 So he was saying like he someone say that he looks like a, like 654 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,760 one of the politicians and he's, he looked at the politician and 655 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,840 thought this politician doesn't look, looks does look like him, 656 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,440 but he doesn't look good. And he was saying, oh, if I, if 657 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,200 I'm the politician and I look like this and I have so much 658 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,080 money, I'll spend the money on plastic surgery to make myself 659 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,600 look better. And then he thinks, so he has 660 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,680 that much money and he's not getting plastic surgery. 661 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,080 That means that he doesn't need to. 662 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,440 And still like, I think he married to like a Playboy model 663 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,200 or something. He can still get whatever he 664 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,480 wants without having to look good. 665 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,840 So yeah, I don't know. I feel like it's like that's why 666 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,800 I mean by like if you have power maybe it'll affect you less but 667 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:22,680 obviously not completely 0. Yeah, I mean, I think there are 668 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,840 reasons to not get plastic surgery other than not having 669 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:32,160 the money and stuff or like not, I mean, like, I, I guess like 670 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,520 for my values, even though I'm aware that like, OK, like let's 671 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,400 say if I got breast implants or something, I think people on 672 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,680 average might treat me better, right? 673 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,200 Like, or I might get further in comedy theoretically or 674 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,000 whatever. But like to me it's just like 675 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,320 not worth it. Like you have to go under 676 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,520 anesthesia and you risk death there. 677 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,640 Implants have to be replaced every 10 years. 678 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,600 So it's like a, you know, it's not just a one time thing. 679 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,360 And implants also increase your risk of cancer. 680 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,920 Oh, I didn't know. Yeah, Yeah. 681 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,440 But I mean, yeah, there is like a risk. 682 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,760 And I feel like it's not guaranteed that if you get 683 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,920 whatever surgery done, you are gonna get a leg up. 684 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,600 It's still, yeah. Right. 685 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,680 And it could be botched, too. Yeah. 686 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,760 It's it's not an easy to like, I don't know. 687 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,840 I have actually done double eyelid surgery. 688 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,520 So what to like make my eyes look bigger. 689 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,160 I know it's like not very obvious because it's been a like 690 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:41,680 I've I've done it when I was 17. So I feel like I so as someone 691 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,640 who I guess got plastic, it's not really plastic surgery, but 692 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:50,240 got cosmetic surgery. I feel like before that I felt 693 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:56,080 very insecure and after that I felt so much not so much, but it 694 00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,360 definitely helped my confidence and how I go. 695 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,040 I go about how I carry myself and like it might be a very 696 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,840 grand things to say, but I feel like if I didn't get the 697 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,640 surgery, I don't know if I'll be here right now because I might 698 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:16,520 not have the confidence to do stuff that I would want to do. 699 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,200 And I feel like the reason why I got like surgery, cosmetic 700 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,240 surgery so early in life was because like I got called out on 701 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,680 like when I was like in the middle school. 702 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:36,280 So I don't know how it's definitely a complicated and 703 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,880 there's definitely like many aspects to like the reason, the 704 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,600 motivation of getting plastic surgery. 705 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:52,000 Yeah, I, I, yeah, I, I get why people, but I feel like I'm more 706 00:43:52,840 --> 00:44:01,040 for like personal choice and intentionality. 100% like I'm 707 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,600 not again, like no judgement if anybody decides to do whatever 708 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:10,160 they like, feel like they need to do or want to do to exist in 709 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,720 society. I think it would be good if like 710 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:18,200 all of us question these like beauty standards. 711 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,360 But. But at the same time, like, I 712 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,840 totally understand why people do. 713 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,400 I see what you mean. Like I feel like there's needs 714 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,280 to be a collective effort. There's so many different 715 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:35,480 individual choice choices, but if before we have like something 716 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:40,480 that can that's more like that involve more people or the cycle 717 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,080 change or policy change or anything that can shake the 718 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:50,760 beauty standard or feel like it's not fair to judge either 719 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,360 conforming or going against beauty standards. 720 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,280 Yeah, yeah. Right. 721 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,360 Like, yeah, we should try not to judge people, men and women and 722 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,400 everything in between for whatever they decide to do or 723 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,560 not do. Like, I don't know. 724 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,960 Yeah, no, I agree. I feel like that's why I'm here. 725 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:20,200 I feel like, I feel like there's more of a consensus on not 726 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,440 judging people here than where I'm from. 727 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:30,000 And that makes me feel that makes me feel more like in my 728 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,320 skin. So then I can be making choices 729 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:37,200 more freely instead of being controlled by the standard, 730 00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:39,320 either going against it or for it. 731 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,960 Yeah, this. I, I read a book called for 732 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,760 we're running Out of Time, so I'm trying to wrap up called Bad 733 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,080 Feminist. Have you heard of that? 734 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,560 Yeah, by Roxanne Gay. Yeah, have you, have you seen? 735 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,880 Have you read it? I've read an essay from it. 736 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,440 Oh, nice. Yeah, I, I really like the book 737 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:04,160 because when I was in college, I OK, so this is Oh my God, this 738 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,800 is so funny. Now I'm like, Oh my God, I have 739 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,080 so much to say. Thank you for, for listening. 740 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,480 I'm like dumping my trauma and like my, my life story to you. 741 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:19,480 So I, so I started the podcast because when I was in China, I 742 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,640 was doing content creation and how I started it was back then I 743 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,000 feel like podcast wasn't a thing. 744 00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:32,200 So I started with me and three of my friends gathering together 745 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,840 in my dorm talking about like the first episode was talking 746 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,800 about like beauty standards, like body image. 747 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,960 And that went super viral. Like so many women can relate to 748 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,160 it. And then we did more episodes, 749 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,720 but then they graduated. So I, I stopped doing that. 750 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,680 So, but that I'm saying like that's how I got started on 751 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,000 doing content. So I made it like a school 752 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,240 project so I can get money from school basically. 753 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,360 And I was talking about like a presenting my project and my 754 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:06,760 teacher, my professor who is listening to it, they were a 755 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,680 gender study professor. I think they like specialized in 756 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,800 gender studies and women studies and like, yeah, more like 757 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,520 comparative literature and stuff. 758 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,360 And he's the one, sorry, they are the one 'cause I, they're 759 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,120 Chinese, so there's no pronouns. Yeah, yeah. 760 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:36,400 And they recommended the, the book Bad Feminist because I, one 761 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,640 of the videos I did was me, I was like crying. 762 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:46,400 I'm like, how can I tell people to not be anxious about their 763 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,960 body image? But I am still anxious about my 764 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,120 body image. And he's like, you should read 765 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,920 this book. Yeah. 766 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,840 And I read it. I'm like, like, it's basically, 767 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,480 it's a wait. You should be. 768 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,200 You should be doing more, more of the talking. 769 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,360 I feel like I'm completely. No, I'm, I'm, I, I think it's, 770 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,400 it's interesting to hearing about like the beauty standards 771 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:15,440 of a different culture. Yeah, and the book was basically 772 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:21,240 saying it's like it's OK to be a bad feminist. 773 00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:24,000 Like even if you don't know all all the feminist theories, even 774 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,280 if you can, you want to like look conform to a beauty 775 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,720 standard in in a certain way or you, you sing along to 776 00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:35,000 misogynist rap, you can still be a feminist. 777 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,080 It's better than being a bad feminist is better than not 778 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,560 being a feminist at all. Right. 779 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,880 Which is also interesting because then when Roxanne Gay 780 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,760 got the gastric bypass surgery or whatever it's called, like 781 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,440 she basically got her stomach, stomach stapled, I think, or 782 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,840 like, I forgot the name of Barry. 783 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,840 Bariatric surgery, Yeah. I'm not sure. 784 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,280 But she had like a, you know, like one of those surgeries that 785 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,360 helps you lose weight. And like, so many people in 786 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,360 feminist circles came on and judged her for it 'cause they 787 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,920 were like, I mean, she's, she was like very severely 788 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,000 overweight. And it's like, I think it's 789 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,120 crazy to judge her for making a personal choice to like 790 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,200 whatever, Like that's between her and her doctor. 791 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,640 Yeah, yeah. It doesn't stop her from like, 792 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,720 feminist literature, right? Doesn't make it like, doesn't 793 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:34,080 make her voice less. What's the word doesn't doesn't 794 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,040 make her less of a feminist. Right, right. 795 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,160 You should you could say that you think she shouldn't like 796 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,680 that no one should feel like they have to get bariatric 797 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,840 surgery and that people should be able to exist in their bodies 798 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,840 like and feel comfortable. But like, to judge her for 799 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,640 making that decision is like, I think that's anti feminist to, 800 00:49:55,720 --> 00:50:01,280 to judge individual people for like, you know, doing 'cause 801 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,120 also like she might not have chosen to do it for cosmetic 802 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,200 reasons. She might have like felt like 803 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,640 she wanted to do it for health reasons. 804 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,200 That's literally like, you know, that's her medical decision. 805 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,600 But I don't know. Yeah. 806 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:17,640 So before I guess we can wrap up, Yeah, yeah. 807 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,560 No, no, I'm I'm the one that's I kept talking. 808 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,720 Is there anything like you would like to add or on a note? 809 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,840 OK, last like thing. I think that it goes the other 810 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:37,000 way as well, where like I think I've heard men, I've heard 811 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,840 multiple men comment that they're jealous that women get 812 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,200 to wear foundation and get to wear makeup because they're 813 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,160 insecure about how their complexion looks. 814 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,320 They're insecure that they're like not, you know, like maybe 815 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,920 they have like, oh, like they wanna have like more prominent 816 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,840 lips or something. And I'm like, I, I think 817 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,720 similarly to how women shouldn't feel like they have to wear 818 00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,720 makeup, men shouldn't feel like they cannot wear makeup. 819 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:10,480 Oh yeah, you're right. But is men wearing makeup like 820 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,560 also like promotes like beauty standards? 821 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:19,400 It does, but I don't know. I mean, like, we live in this 822 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,440 world we live in. I don't know. 823 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,000 I think there's a difference between occasionally wanting to 824 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,160 feel pretty or like wanting to maybe you have a blemish that 825 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,440 you wanna cover up, versus like, feeling like, so insecure that 826 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,400 you cannot leave the house or let anybody at all see you 827 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:42,320 without putting on like, a heavy coat of makeup or like, you 828 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,960 know, really like dyeing your hair, doing like, whatever. 829 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,320 Like, I don't know, I think there's a world where you could 830 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,520 use makeup without letting it destroy your confidence. 831 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:58,000 Yeah, yeah, there should be. Yeah. 832 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,680 I, I, I feel like I will. I'm trying to get there. 833 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,240 I feel like, I mean it, it is a collective effort, but I feel 834 00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:10,880 like individually there's like smallest things we can do to 835 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,360 like, like this reminds me of the trend. 836 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,200 What's this? What's something small that's 837 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,440 feminist that you do everyday? Something like that, right? 838 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,920 Yeah. Yeah, I had like 1. 839 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,560 Like I had, I occasionally shaved my legs. 840 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,000 I often don't. But like I had a man touched my 841 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,960 leg hair and he was like, wow, I've never seen or felt touched 842 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,000 leg hair on a woman before. And I'm like, really? 843 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,920 You're 37? And I was like, you know what? 844 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,080 That makes me not want to shave my legs as like a feminist 845 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,840 choice. I think we should OK if women 846 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,360 don't feel comfortable doing it. Do whatever makes you feel 847 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,280 comfortable. But I think if you can bring it 848 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,080 to yourself to walk out occasionally without makeup, 849 00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,120 without shaving your body hair, I think that just normalizes 850 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,120 what bodies look like. Yes, yes, normalize it, yes, 851 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:10,480 Yeah, well, thank you so much. I, I feel very like stimulated 852 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,840 in our conversation and thank you for like challenging or 853 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:20,400 bringing a perspective on this topic because I feel like I was 854 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:26,960 very much into this topic like women and the double standard of 855 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,720 society. But I felt like when I came to 856 00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,400 America, I stopped thinking about it because I feel like it 857 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:39,560 doesn't, it didn't bother me as much because I I feel like like 858 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:45,440 immigration and like racial topics bothered me more when I 859 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,120 came here. So I kind of left that the 860 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,240 gender issue in the back of my head. 861 00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:54,040 So thank you for bringing, bringing it up in my like 862 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,120 digging it out out of my brain. And I definitely, yeah, enjoyed 863 00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,440 the conversation. Thank you. 864 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:00,880 Thanks for having me, yeah.