Some people might be mad at me for saying this, but I do think
that marriage it shouldn't be like till death do us part.
Till what do us apart then? I think it should, it should be
like a contract like oh, like this five year, 10 year
agreement. Yeah.
And then like we revisit the agreement and see if we wanna.
Which is not like a new concept because people like renew their
vows and everything, you know, what do you mean you don't know
that? No, people like, so after like
10 years or 20 years, people are like, oh, we should renew our
vows to like, renew our love for each other and like, but that's,
that's more of like a, like a like unofficial thing that
people do. But I, I do think that people
should have it official. Like every 10 years you have to
renew the contract. But I just think that if there's
like an expiration date that you were more inclined to like, keep
dating the person 'cause you 'cause you don't really like, I
feel like marriages end because people stop.
They think that, oh, I've got it.
And like it's till when we die, you know?
Oh, I like that. I agree.
Yeah, Yeah. Like that's some that has some
truth to it. It's like if you have a contract
with this company for like a certain amount of time and by
the time it expires, you'll have a performance review and they'll
decide if you they want to keep you.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, if you're like, I don't
know, some government jobs, you just basically you can work
there for life. You just stop really working I
feel like. Yeah, yeah.
I mean. I like how you're thinking.
It's like a business model like with employees.
With employees, Yeah. With like.
Kids and and dogs and yeah. OK.
So Annie, what's keeping you up tonight?
My business? Your business?
What's your business? I own a spa in midtown and a
nail salon next to it. Oh.
OK, so you've been like, like injecting people.
You've been, you've been giving, you've been making facials,
facials and then nails. You've been making New York
prettier. Is that what you're doing?
I guess you can see that, yeah. But most people come in like, I
think they just have something that they want to fix, and then
what we're doing is basically enhancing their natural beauty,
you know? Yeah, that's how I would try to
see it. OK, you're not trying to.
OK, I I like that. It's like, have you had any like
high profile guests recently or ever?
High profile? Yeah, I don't know.
I don't think so. Well, you might not know they
might be, they may be a high profile.
Yeah, I would think like, do you have like a big ball or big
spenders? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Some people just spend so much money and I'm just like, where
did they get all this money? What's the most they've ever
spent like? In one sitting, yeah, I think
like 3000 dollars, 3000. Well, I was thinking more like
like 10,000. Dollars 10,000 is no, no OK
anyone has not yet, but 3000 OK. Yeah, I was.
Maybe I was thinking like, you know, like surgery, like a nose
drop was probably 10,000, but you don't.
Do that, but we don't do that. Yeah.
What do you do? Tell us if anyone wanna get
facials. Pretty body sculpting.
Facial Body sculpting. Nails.
Pedicure.
Yes. Wait, what?
Should I? That's your camera, that's why.
Oh shit. So yeah, these are my nails.
I think they're done by the same people.
Yeah, Raina. Oh, she's.
So great. She's so good, Yeah.
How do you even find her? How do you find the nail
technicians that are so? That's so talented.
Oh my God. So I found Raina on Indeed, but
I think I'm starting to like look for people on Instagram
now, like look for their portfolio and then just like
Dming them. Yeah, you're like a.
Curator for your. Basically now I'm like a
curator. So what make you wanna start
like a? What is it called?
How do you call your business? Serene skin club and then serene
nail club. OK.
Like what kind of business like Med spa, is that what you call
it? I would call it more facial spa
'cause I think that's like our volume, like everyone wants a
facial. Yeah, but we have injections
too. Yeah, those are the things I
really like, yeah. They really like.
Both both literally and metaphorically, anyways.
Not to be. Oh my gosh.
What type of injections do you like, Rachel?
You know, is it just a regular, you know, like a, you know, a a
few inches of needles? Yeah, how, how many inches do
you do you, how long demonstrate?
Well, you know, you know, the longer it gets, the more
intimidating it gets. Yeah, I would say start with the
smaller ones. Whatever does the job better,
right? Yeah, yeah, size doesn't matter.
Oh, it does. It, Yeah, yeah.
Right. From your experience as a owner
of such business? The size of the syringe doesn't
matter, but the size of something else does matter.
Exactly. Exactly.
Have you ever had wait, what we were talking about before I
started talking about this nonsense?
Hiring nail tags. Oh, right.
I mean, yeah, now I'm just a curator.
I feel like just like hiring people through their art 'cause
I feel like nail is so different from spa where nail there is
like like artistic skills to it. Yeah, it can feel artistic, but
it's not like you're painting someone's face like nails.
You have to have the skills. Yeah.
And I feel like when I did this nail at your nail spot, I really
felt like she, she's really into it.
She likes doing this. She likes it.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like she's been doing this since she's only 19.
Why? She's been doing it since high
school. That's crazy.
I can't believe she's 19. Yeah, she's so good.
She's a 19 year old. OK.
You definitely have to like I don't know is she is she also
like signed with other nail salon or she's like your own?
Yeah, she works somewhere else too, but yeah, wow, like you
better you better keep her. I know you better like make her
like your MVP or your you know yeah like make her like you.
I don't know your. Manager or something?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then master technician.
Yeah, she needs to be like teaching other people like.
She, I think she has. Been.
Oh, really? Yeah.
Oh, wow. Good for her.
So what made you wanna start a Met Spa?
Facial Spa. I, I basically, I graduated
college early and then after college I was doing marketing
manager for like I was a marketing manager for like
multiple small businesses. And then I just realized I, you
know, wanted to do my own thing. And so I decided to take less
work on. And then I started doing
marketing for Med spas. And then I realized I was like,
oh, I kind of enjoy this, you know, like, like, like doing ads
for like beauty treatments. And so my mom was like, oh, I
want to do my own thing, but I don't know what to do.
And my mom was like in the injection space.
And so she does injections. Oh, she's.
Really good y'all. She is good and she has, like,
really good eye for aesthetics. And then I was like, oh, you
should start your own thing. And then she was like, but who's
going to do all the logistics and the finances and marketing?
And I was like, I can help, but I didn't think she was serious.
And so. And she was like, but she took
us so seriously. Yeah.
So then the next day she was like, I found a place.
Wow. And then I was like, she didn't
talk about anything yet. Like with branding, Like, what
do we want to provide people with?
Like like nothing. We talked about nothing.
And so in the following week we went to go see the space and
then we just signed it. Wow.
That's and then we opened within two months.
Wow, wow. You're, you're both like
entrepreneur, you're like an entrepreneur, like mom,
daughter. Like I love that we just like,
we just hustled basically. No, I, I didn't know it happened
that quickly because I really. Yeah.
I told you. Wait, I know.
I know it happened, but I didn't know like I thought you had like
a all like a plan planned out and this is something you always
wanted to do, but I didn't know. No, it was just spontaneous.
Wow, yeah. Spontaneous.
Just start a business. Exactly.
So two months and then a year into it we open the nail salon.
So also really fast. Well, I feel like that's, that's
how you have to do it for like, I feel like this podcast is also
like, I set this up within like a month.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and like.
When you put your mind to it. I know what you have a vision
and you make it into a reality. Exactly.
Oh, look at us. We're we're it sounds like.
But it sounds like your mom really wanted to do it.
It sounds like. I think so, yeah.
She was like. Because I was more like, oh, we
should plan this out. Like, duh, duh.
But once she and I kind of like, agreed, you know, it's better to
just take the opportunity as it comes.
And we're just like all in, yeah.
OK. But you don't really do like the
injection or facial yourself. You're more like the business
person. Yeah, but I learned how to do
facials and have a license now. Oh, really?
Yeah. So I that's why today I did a
few facials. Wait, can you do mine?
Next time, yeah. What did you do?
Like what exactly? I just did a signature facial.
OK, so just like a cleanse and all.
That stuff, I like it when someone does my facial, yeah.
Next time, next time. Wow.
And you're. So, but what did you study in
college? Marketing.
Oh, I went to FIT. Right.
We Speaking of FITI, when you said FITI, it reminded me that
my ex-boyfriend wanted to go to FIT, but he didn't he.
Wanted to go to FIT. Why?
Because he's rich. I don't know.
It could be no. Because he, he want to do like,
I don't know, fashion designer. It's not.
Interesting, but he didn't want to do like Parsons or something
if he's. Rich.
Oh, I feel like he's not that smart or not that good.
Not that good. Yeah, no, I was like so pissed
because this is such a like diversion.
But if you don't mind, he yeah, he I like my high school
ex-boyfriend. He, I think his family's so
rich. He's like in the international
department of like another high school and yeah.
And I think his family owns business.
And I remember like when we're together, he's like, his English
is so bad, like so much worse than mine.
And I was like, how do, why, why are you in?
I feel like I should be in the international department, but I,
I, it was expensive. It is like a private tuition and
but he's his family's OK with that.
And he one day he's like, oh, I decided I want to go into
fashion design. I'm like, what the fuck?
I was like, I was like so pissed because I feel like I'm the one
that's always artistic, but I never dare to think that I would
want to go into fashion and design.
Right, right. But he has like he doesn't have
the skills, but he has the means, right?
You know what I mean? Exactly, Yeah.
Anyway, I'm sure you have the skills.
I can tell. I can for marketing, yeah.
Yeah, I think I've always had the entrepreneurial spirit for
sure. And so marking kind of plays
into it. I wanted to market my own
business, so it ended up happening like that, you know?
You know, I feel like you. I just found out about this when
I asked Annie to be on the pod. Like she had a full on podcast
with like, I don't know, 80 100 episode. 80 I think it's 80
episodes 80. Episodes that's that's like 10
times more than this this hot cast.
But I was not like this. I didn't have this whole set up.
I I literally just had my mic in.
Well, you were. You were a trailblazer.
You, you, you. You run so we can walk, you know
what I mean? So what what was your I want to
know more? What was your podcast about?
So I was basically doing something similar, but I was
just interviewing people and like, talking about their why?
Like, why in life? Like, why do they do these
things? Like why do they have their
business OK? Why do they live their life the
way they do? OK.
Yeah, it's like that. Imagine this is your podcast.
What would you? What would you ask me?
So at the end of every podcast, I would always ask them, like,
if you can go back and change anything about your life, Like,
would you change anything? And usually people say nothing.
And so I feel like that was something that I just kept going
and asking because it was so interesting that people had such
interesting and dynamic and sometimes sad lives, you know?
But then they would never change anything about it because it LED
them to who they are today. Yeah, I mean, I feel like if you
interview someone who might not be a good in a good position,
maybe they wouldn't want to change something.
But I feel like right now I'm doing pretty good.
Yeah. I mean, it's not the greatest,
but I feel like I'm content. Yeah, right.
Exactly. Yeah, something else I wanted to
ask. Like I feel like I'm as a host I
shouldn't be having ADHD because I I forgot what like I.
Don't say I was like, what are we talking about?
Yeah, short term memory is is my nemesis.
What? What just happened?
Wait, OK, you before the podcast happened, I was like asking
Annie what she wanted to talk about.
She had so many. I like she had a good point, but
I don't know why you tell us about your your my hot take.
Yeah, your hot take. My hot take.
So I I. Think that's a good one.
I think people should hear it. That's why, like, I really.
I Yeah. I think, I think it is a little
bit like some people, some people might be mad at me for
saying this, but I do think that marriage, it shouldn't be like
till death do us part. Till what do us apart then?
I think it should, it should be like a contract like oh, like
this five year, 10 year agreement.
Yeah. And then like we revisit the
agreement and see if we want to. Which is not like a new concept
because people like renew their vows and everything, you know,
what do you mean you don't know that?
No, people like, so after like 10 years or 20 years, people are
like, oh, we should renew our vows to like, renew our love for
each other and like, but that's, that's more of like a, like a
like unofficial thing that people do.
But I, I do think that people should have it official, like
every 10 years you have to renew the contract.
Only 10? I feel like it should be longer
or or like anything. Or it depends on the, the
partnership. But 10 is just like an example.
But it's like, so like if someone was like, I want a
shorter contract, like 5 years, you know, then they, that's like
their prerogative. But if they say 20 years, then
that's their prerogative too. But I just think that if there's
like an expiration date that you were more inclined to like keep
dating the person because you because you don't really like
you got. I feel like marriages end
because people stop. They think that, oh, I've got it
and like it's till when we die, you know?
Oh, I like that. I agree.
Yeah. Like that's some that has some
truth to it. It's like if you have a contract
with this company for like a certain amount of time and by
the time it expires, you'll have a performance review and they'll
decide if you they want to keep you.
But yeah, if you're like, I don't know, some government
jobs, you just basically you can work there for life.
You just stop really working I feel like.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, exactly. I just think that like divorce
happens so often now and we we live in such a different time,
like till death do us part is such a old concept.
Yeah. Because now that's like if I
died at 40, I think it would be OK to like be with someone for
20 years, you know, But if I, if I live to like 89, like imagine
I got married like in two years and I'd be what, 27?
And then I would be married to them for like 60 years.
Like, of course, like, divorce rates are so high.
Yeah, I mean, it's it's normal because like I guess we just.
Live longer, Yeah. So we have more marriages and
more divorces. Yeah.
I mean, I, I, I thought I saw like the divorce rate is like
50% now is, yeah. And so you have a 5050 chance of
like, yeah, keeping the relationship.
Yeah, and. Yeah.
I feel like divorce. It's like, I feel like when you
get into the marriage, you have to be prepared for the
possibility of getting a divorce.
Yeah, I. Mean which is why there's there
should be an expiration date, but with the expiration date you
can still divorce. It's just that you agree like
this is gonna end like. I like how you're thinking.
It's like a business model, like with employees.
With employees. Yeah, with like with.
Kids and and dogs. Yeah, yeah.
I like, I don't know how I can. So are you implementing?
Have you talked about this with your partner?
With my boyfriend. Oh we've been together for like
4 in a in like almost a half years. 4 1/2.
So have you like visited this topic of expiration date for a
marriage? I think so.
I feel like for him, him and I, we don't really see marriage as
like a necessary thing. So it's like different.
Like we're like like I feel like we're more non traditional, if
that makes sense. Like, I feel you.
What? You know you're Asian?
No, I know. Right, you know, but my parents
like I feel like they kind of understand too, like the the day
and age is like so different now.
Like I feel like I don't need to marry him to like be with him
forever, if that makes sense. But if it comes and it comes
like, but it's not a big deal. Like to me where I'm like, I
need to get married. I need to have a wedding ring.
I don't have that need. But in terms of like all the
traditional stuff of like living together and like having kids
and buying a house together, all that stuff.
Like we, I feel like I can also like not live with him and still
be with him forever. Like I don't need all those
things I feel like. I also feel like I would want it
later in life cause to my point like we die later.
I feel like if I have the rest of my life to live with him, I
can start when I'm 45, you know what I mean?
I mean, I get it and but if you what do you mean start when
you're 45? Start what?
When? You, oh, start living together.
When you're 45. Cause like we have like many
more years together. That's true.
So I can live alone for like until 45, but that's like an
example. Yeah, but you don't necessarily
have to be with him for like, like, like, what if you're all
of like you are living by yourself for most of your life
and you're changing that aspect of your life so.
Like it's a drastic change and you're already 45.
You're like, oh, I'm, I'm done with this.
I don't want to like change myself to live with another
person. I think it's OK People change
all the time in every decade of their life, so I think it's OK.
Yeah. It's like if I live with him now
and I don't live with him in five years, that's also a
change, you know? So it's like, it's just like
when you choose like your pace, yeah.
Yeah, I feel like for married couples, it's like harder for
them to live together and then take a step back and not live
together, right. Yeah.
So it's okay to push those milestones later that I think
that's my point. And it's like, it's like we
don't need to do all these things like because we dated
like for five years, you know? But I feel like it's such a
conscious decision because I feel like if I'm madly in love
with someone, I just want to be spend time with them 24/7.
Right, Yeah no, I agree. I was like that too.
The first like 2 years of dating.
Yeah him. I was like that.
I was like, I need to spend all my time with you like I don't
care. But then I was like, I think
once I started my own business, it it changed for me where I'm
like more independent and like, I want my own space and time and
like, that is more precious 'cause I have less of it, yeah.
Yeah, I get it. Yeah.
OK Tell us more about why are you dating a white man A.
White Man I. Know when I first met you I was
like, oh, you said you have a boyfriend and then I had your
Instagram like. When you're laughter.
That's, well, I want to know your answer first.
But yeah, it was like, I wouldn't say shocking, but I was
like, no, no, it was because I didn't know.
And then I saw your Instagram and you're, you're posting it
with your boyfriend. I wasn't shocked.
I was mostly. Surprised.
Isn't that the same thing? Shocked is like.
Yeah, surprised. Surprise.
I mean, I, I'm not surprised. I mean.
You're not surprised, are you? Are surprised.
I'm not surprised because like, I mean, we're Asian.
Oh, kisses the the Oxford study. Oh my gosh.
So my friend said that oh, I should dress up as like Yoko Ono
and John. No, I messed up.
Is it that guy who the guy from The Beatles that like dated
that? Oh.
Gosh, I forgot his name. See I'm so bad with like names.
I don't know. Must be John Lennon.
John Lennon dated an Asian girl. Is it John Lennon or is it
someone else? I didn't know.
I didn't know someone in The Beatles dated an Asian girl.
That's that's why she was like, oh, you should be them for
Halloween next year, like me and my boyfriend.
And I was like, I was like, thanks.
Like just just just be myself, I guess.
Like, and she can just dress up like a like a rock star.
Yeah. You should be the guy and he
should be the girl. You should be like, I don't
know, Margaret True and Quentin Tarantino, that's also a classic
white man, Asian woman. Really.
Do you know? They were dated.
They were dating. I didn't know that.
Yeah, Quentin Tarantino was dating the Korean comedian.
What You know the? Like I know they are, I know the
the director, but I don't know the.
Margaret True. Margaret True.
Yeah, yeah. I'll show you a picture.
You don't know her. Yeah.
Yeah, she's yeah. But my reasoning for dating a
white man? Have you always dated a white?
Man no, I started with Asian. OK, me too.
No, no. No, that was the one that I
wanted to go to FIT that I was just complaining about.
Yeah, yeah. So it was Asian and then it was
black. Oh hell yeah.
And I. Literally thought like I was
like if I go black, I can't go back.
I literally thought that I was like, oh, I can't go back.
So I literally dated like like black, like dated multiple black
men. But I didn't like it was a long
time. I was like just for fun.
And you were. You're, you're, you're out there
breaking all these black men's heart.
Yeah, literally. And I was like, I was like, I, I
just. And then after that I, I was
like, you know what, I should try something different.
And then it was like Asian black.
And then it was, it was Hispanic.
Oh, OK. And then after that I was like,
Nah. And then I was like, that's when
I was like on Bumble and like Tinder and all that stuff.
And so then it was like a white man.
Wow. And then it's been a white man.
It's been a white man, so a white man's.
The keeper, yeah, I guess. Interesting.
I don't know. I don't know what it is about
him that. No, I no, I mean I'm like making
this a joke, but obviously it's because his personality, not the
fact. That he's white.
White. Yeah, right, right, right.
But yeah. But of course it's because he's
white, no? Of course, of course.
No, I we have very similar trajectory.
I really, I started with Asian, with Asian guys.
I mean, 'cause I lived in China, I can't really date other other.
Yeah, and I wasn't really thinking.
And I dated a black guy and you didn't know.
No, wait, what? That's why I was like, hell
yeah. Oh my God, I thought you were
just hell yeah 'cause you weren't being like.
Appropriate. No, it's funny.
Like it's like, yeah, so Asian, black.
Yeah. And then I don't know.
I not really, no. I haven't dated someone like
seriously or boyfriend girlfriend a Hispanic guy, but I
when I'm yeah not not yet. Boyfriend.
Girlfriend. No, no I didn't.
OK, OK. Yeah.
And then it's white. I don't know when I came here.
I don't know. It's something about America
transitioned me into liking white man.
It's a. Soul the white, the white
privilege and the white status quo it is.
Yeah, maybe. It's the side, it's the water
here. Maybe yeah, whenever I see like
an Asian girl and a white guy couple, I feel I'm like, but no,
your your boyfriend is not mid. So I I approve.
I approve. He's not mid, so he I.
Don't know too much about him, but I saw his picture.
He's not like he's taller than you.
And he's like, yeah, well put together.
He looks put together, yeah. He's like 6 three.
Wow, OK, pretty nice. So he's like he's like an inch
short of like the the finance, the do you know 64 blue?
Like is this 65? It was like 65 blue eyes.
Is he in fact finance? No, he's not.
He's in tech. He's in tech.
OK, well my my OK, I reason must tell me.
No, I don't have to know. Now I don't.
Have a reason? I think when I was in China,
interestingly, I did more people from all over the world because
I was in Shanghai and there's a lot of international people I
dated like people from not dated, but like went on dates
with people from Brazil, like Mexico, Ecuador, Spanish, Spain,
France, Belgian, whatever. Miss worldwide.
Yeah, literally. But I feel like when I, well,
when I came to the USI was in fucking North Carolina, there
wasn't that many international people.
Right. It was, like, mostly white.
Yeah. Very white, Yeah.
Oh. I just, I just went back to Duke
this past weekend and you know, I, I did a stand up set there
and I have a joke about like I have a line about, I guess I can
say it here. I like white guys so much that I
got into stand up comedy. That was the original line.
Oh my gosh, that's good and. Then I just riffed there.
I was just like, it just came to me.
I was, I didn't prepare for this line, but on stage when I was at
Duke, I just said I like white guests.
I like white guys so much that I got into Duke and oh.
My gosh. I didn't feel like it made it
made so much sense. I'm so sorry.
I did they did they laugh? Were they like?
I agree they were like. Oh no, no, there was like 1
black guy. He was like laughing like
non-stop. He's like banging his head.
I didn't even see his face. I was trying to like talk to him
after the show but I couldn't see his face.
I don't know who it it was. Anyway, what was I talking about
before I started? OK, yeah, I moved here and it
was North Carolina, very white. I I remember my first stop in in
the US was Nashville and I. Remember, that's more white.
Really. I think so.
That's where my black ex-boyfriend is from.
But I mean, downtown Nashville is very white.
It's like country music and stuff.
And I remember the first time I go into an American restaurant,
a restaurant in America, which is in Nashville, I was like,
there's too many blonde people. Oh my God, why is everybody so
blonde? And yeah, I feel like it's just
like, unavoidable. It's like if if I don't date a
white guy when I was in North Carolina, it was weird because
then it feels like I'm avoiding it because it's.
Like, because there's like, not like Asian men like freely
walking around. Yeah, there are some.
But like, not a lot. Yeah, I mean, I would still, I
would go on dates with them, but the dominant group like
statistically? Was white men.
Yeah, I mean, it's just like if you're living in, if you're, I
don't know, if I'm living in Thailand, I can't just date
Chinese people. I would date like a Thai guy I
guess. Exactly.
Yeah, I don't know, I feel like this is like how white guys
justify dating Asian women when they're living in Asia.
But like what? Well, that's interesting because
like, we're both in New York now, but it's still, even though
there's like more diversity, we still ended up with, oh, I do.
Well. Oh well, cancel us.
Well, I feel like this is the least cancellable combination,
isn't it? I feel like it's because isn't
like, yeah, Mark Zuckerberg? It's like.
Oh yeah, Mark Zuckerberg. That's a big one, right?
Yeah. Priscilla Chan.
Yeah, I Oh my gosh. But she's like, she's like,
amazing in her own right, too. Yeah.
She's like a doctor and everything.
Yeah, I know. I feel like she's very she's
amazing. But I feel people say that an
Asian wife is like an accessory for billionaires.
It's like or a tech. Billionaire Do you know Becca
Bloom? Yeah.
What about she's also Asian woman, white guy?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you're that rich, she's got
why are you? Yeah, well, you have so many
options. Like, so it's like, I don't know
what it is like people who really should study this, like
actually. Yeah, I think.
People because like, the Oxford study was really about like
television. That's what I heard.
Like TV. Oh, I thought what I heard about
like Oxford study was more about like dating apps.
Oh, really? Yeah, I need to look into it
more deeply. Yeah, I feel like everyone's
saying, like, different things. Oh yeah.
Yeah. And do you know like the owner
of Oracle? No, I think yeah, right now he's
like the most the richest person.
Really. Right now, yeah.
Right now he's like, did he buy like TikTok?
I'm not sure. Yeah, Oracle is like more like,
I don't know, assess SASSAAS. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't. I remember seeing that they
bought Oracle but like I mean bought TikTok but I don't know
if it's the same company. I don't know, but whatever.
Yeah. So yeah, what happened?
The owner's like 81 and he married someone who's like 30
something who's Chinese. OK, another bag.
Yeah, another bag. It was I and, you know, like
Wendy Murdoch. Yeah, what about her?
Yeah, she's like she married a what is it?
What's the, what's the Murdoch guy?
Rupert. Yeah.
Robert Rupert. I think it's Rupert.
Rupert Murdoch Yeah, Yeah. It's like these women's story is
like very like well, spread in Chinese social media.
Really. Yeah.
Like everybody like trying to look into their, their, their
life story and see how they got into it because they're all like
from not so not the greatest or most like prominent families in
China and they but. They still like, yeah, they got
nailed the bag. Oh my gosh.
I mean. Have you heard about their
stories? I know Wendy, the Wendy one,
because one of my aestheticians, she saw her on our floor at the
spa and she was like, do you know her?
And I was like, I don't know her.
And she's like, you don't know her.
She's like that wife of Rupert Murdoch.
And, and apparently they were in the bathroom together and she
saw her and she's like, it's definitely her.
And she brought her daughter to get nails done somewhere on our
floor. What?
Not your nail salon? That's when I didn't have a nail
salon yet, but it was so crazy. Oh my God, I hope she comes back
and find your nail salon so you can do.
No, I think she thought it was like disgusting or something.
That's like the attitude that mine, oh, my aesthetician got.
She was like, she probably thought like, this is like so
dingy. Like how did my daughter even
find this place? You know, really like, not like
she wasn't like expressing that, but it's just like, you can
tell, like she's like, I'm a bougie lady, Like, Oh my hair,
you know? I wonder where bougie ladies get
their nails done in New York? I agree.
Wait, I need to know. Yeah, I need to know, like
what's in that group chat of, like rich ladies over $1
billion? They probably, I feel like they
sometimes have really busted nails to be honest.
Yeah, and like, not so good skin.
Yeah, not to be misogynistic, but I just feel like they
deserve, they deserve better. That's what I'm saying.
Like the nails deserve better, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I feel like sometimes, like,
like it's still, sometimes I see like, rich women's nails and I
feel like, oh, it's so thick and the shape is not the greatest.
I'm like, girl, you need to do. You deserve better.
Yeah, like whoever's doing your nails is not doing your justice.
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, that's why good nails are
so important. Exactly.
No I feel like I was just thinking about this like if I
have well if I have a limited money which I do but not enough
to afford facials every day. But I would probably do facials
before I do my nails though. I feel like it's more like face
first I guess. Yeah, face 1st and then nail
second. Yeah, but that's if like my skin
was so bad. If my skin is OK, I think it's
OK to like not do it every month.
I'm so like, like I, I, I'm like, I, I keep thinking about
your business, 'cause I feel like if you, if I have a
business that's like a mid spot and it can give me unlimited
facials and like Botox and like fillers, I'm like, I'm gonna go
crazy. How do you not go?
How can you like not control yourself?
I mean, I think it's kind of like, why do nail techs, like,
don't always do their own nails, you know, 'cause it's like, it's
like your job, you know? And then you're just like, oh,
OK, I wanna check out after your job, you know?
And sometimes they don't have, like, the best nails or like, my
Lashtech, she doesn't have lashes herself.
Like, she doesn't do her own eyelashes because you can't.
And so she was like, and I don't trust anyone else with
eyelashes. So then she doesn't have lashes
herself. And I was like, oh, why don't
you have any lashes? Like, you're a lashtech?
She's like, well, I can't do it on myself, and I don't trust
anyone else to do it. So I just leave them bare.
But it's like you can't really do.
I feel like it's more like because you're not.
Because I'm the business owner, I can like like get all the
services. Yeah, because you're not the one
providing the service. Yeah, I mean, when I provide
facials now, I just like, I don't really like care to get
facials either, but I just do my own skin care.
But then with a very like different treatment, maybe like
nails. Like nails.
I think I switch every two weeks now because I can.
Yeah. Oh, hell yeah.
Hell, yeah. But what else do I do?
I mean, I guess, I guess I can ask my mom for injections.
But then like, and then she would always say like, oh,
you're beautiful already, you know, like, don't, don't try to
like add too much or whatever. Yeah.
So she's like sweet like that. And then, and then I'm like, oh,
but like, my face is uneven. And she's like, but every face
is uneven, you know, like things like that, Yeah.
That's that's no, that's how you know it's she's legit because
she's not like. Yeah, like injecting me like,
non-stop. Yeah.
But she's like that with clients, too.
She's like, like, you don't need that.
Like they'll be like, I want to get rid of this.
And then she's like, you don't need to do that.
Like you would just look so unnatural.
Yeah. So like, her goal is always
like, make people look natural. Oh, that's the best because
she's like, yeah, I remember when I like I had an interaction
with her. I should have her on the pot.
Does she can she be on? I don't know.
No, no. I don't think.
So yeah, I feel like she's not. Yeah, but I remember when I was
hit with her with So Funny, she was like encouraging me because
I did like the. What is it called?
Like Shrikhandran? What's the?
Skin Booster. Yeah, the skin booster and I was
like, I'm like so scared and and and I just thought it was so
funny. So don't cry.
She's like, oh, you're so poor, baby.
Yeah, don't cry. Yeah, it.
Was very sweet. She would always say like, yeah.
Very that's like how I feel like she and Rain.
What's her Raina? Raina.
Yeah, yeah, you should like, I don't know, put I don't know.
I feel like if you're doing social media, I feel like that's
like the personalities you should put as the front.
I don't know. But like, not everyone wants to
be like, like, you know, in front of a camera, like, do all
this stuff. Yeah.
Yeah, it's tough. It is tough, so that's why we
just get influencers to come. Right, if you're influencer.
Contact. Yeah.
Come, yeah. What do you need influencers
too? What do you what are your like
right now or like in a month? Because this will probably be
posted in a month. Really.
Yeah, I guess in a month they'll be like December, right?
So like Christmas specials maybe just like different like
treatments we want to promote this like lifting treatment like
non invasive like does actually work.
Yeah, it does. It looks it is really good.
It's like using like RF with RF radio frequency to like
stimulate the collagen in the face and so that your face just
like naturally gets like tighter.
OK. Yeah.
I need OK what's the if? If I can only do me like me,
like someone who looks like me at the same age as me, like, you
know, skin condition, whatever, what should I do?
Do you think that's that going to be like the most, you know,
useful for right now? And what is it that I'm going to
do like maybe in 10 years? Oh, in 10 years, yeah.
I think now I think just like a general cleaning, like skin,
like, you know, signature facial is going to be just OK.
You know, I feel like you don't have to do too much.
Like I think people think that you have to do so much to your
skin to make it good. But I think the more I
simplified my routine, the better my skin got.
It's like when I like try to do like the whole like 10 step, 20
step, that's when my skin got like so bad.
Really. Yeah, that's why I broke up so
much like, but now it's like healing.
I just reduced it to like 5 things and my makeup routine is
like like 4 things. OK, yeah.
But I, I'm just like I'm so recently.
I've been not recently but in the back of my head I'm so
scared of aging. So in 10 years, yeah, I'll do
more anti aging stuff. But shouldn't I be worried now?
I feel like the the the sooner I start anti aging the slower.
Slower, yes. Maybe just includes like a
retinol or a tretinoin to your your skin care routine.
You're not even suggesting me to do any of the stuff that you're
providing you. You don't think I should do like
a lifting or anything like that? Now, I mean, you can start now,
but you don't have to do it like as often as like, as like
someone who's older with like fine lines and like wrinkles,
you know what I mean? Yeah.
Do you think? OK, one last question before you
end the pod. Do you think it's true that
Asian women don't age? Do you think that's true that
with Asian women age more gracefully?
Honestly, I don't know, 'cause like, I, I've seen like both,
like I've seen like, there's some Asian women that like, age,
like, not well, and then there's some that age really well.
I think it really, you know, it's like what you put in your
body, how you take care of yourself, you know, how you
treat yourself and like, how you surround yourself with, like,
good people. Yeah.
So. So yeah, I guess it's a myth,
so. I do think it's a myth.
I think my mom aged really well, so maybe I just inherited her
genes. Maybe.
But like, that all depends. You know, like how I take care
of myself. How does she take care of
herself? I think so.
How? How did she?
Oh, just like eat well, like laugh a lot.
Did she like do anything 'cause I mean she is a technician?
Oh yeah, like she. And then she also injects
herself. Oh yeah.
I can't imagine like the other day she was telling me that she
injects herself. I'm like what the fuck?
Yeah, not a lot of injectors can say that.
Oh, really? Yeah, 'cause like, they can't.
Like most injectors probably will get it from someone else,
but my mom just does it on herself.
She's like. Does it mean that she's more
skilled or she's just she just? She just used her face as like,
like a canvas, like, she tried a lot of stuff on herself.
So she knows. Wow.
Yeah. Wow, that's that's that's how
you know you can trust her 'cause she's tried it herself.
She's. Tried it all.
I'm so scared of needles I can't imagine.
Her trying everything. Yeah, you know, not everybody
can handle a lot of injections. Yeah, like that I agree.
But I do think, I mean that could be part of her aging well,
but she's always aged well like like before injection.
So she's always looked young. I thought it was something that
I can replicate. I guess it's your genes.
I think it's genes too, 'cause my grandma looks like really
young too. Damn.
Yeah, I think it's genes. So like, I think it's part
genes, but I think it's part and like how you take care of
yourself and like environment, you know, how happy you lived
your life because some people who lived like really like in,
in Cantonese, we call it Foo. Like really like like not
fortunate lives, really just like not like happy lives.
And you just don't age well. You just like your body
naturally, like you know. Yeah, just yeah, I I agree.
Like happier life will make you. Like you're you're.
You will keep your youth longer. Yeah, exactly.
OK. And I think that applies to all
races. Yeah.
Like, you know, like there's always like a joke about that
like Asian don't raise in or like blocked on crack.
You know, like there's always 1 like.
But that's not true in your opinion as a Med.
Spot owner Yeah, I think it depends.
Some people really fool you with their age.
Something should be secret. Something stopped.
What stopped? Oh wow, It it overheated.
It's overheated, that one. Really.
Yeah. Oh my gosh.
Because you're too. Hot.
Oh my gosh, yes. Sad that that didn't make it in
that line. Well, it's in the.
Oh yeah. Technically, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. So we have backup.
So yeah, I guess that's all for today's podcast.
Thank you so much for coming. Thank you for having me.
This is so nice. Of course, yeah.