The other day, OK, I was like staying at this guy's place and
the guy like went to work in the morning and I was like still at
this place and I went to the bathroom and the and the water
like tank broke so I couldn't flush.
And I'm like, I can't, I can't leave.
Was it poop or? Pee.
It was pee OK, but still I can't have it like like I, I can't
have my pee stay in his place when I'm leaving.
So I have to like fix it on the slot.
So I learned how to fix a water tank that morning.
Now the other day were me and Victoria were out having drinks
and the public bathroom. The water water tank also broke
and I fixed. It.
And you fixed it. I fixed it.
Girl, get this girl a medal. That's crazy.
You're just going around fixing the pipes of New York City,
baby. Is that attractive?
Yes, OK, no, you are. You are the man who cuts wood on
Instagram. To me now I'm like hello Women
doing it for themselves. So Liz, what's keeping you up
tonight? I think that the straight
girlies need to give the moderate guys on Hinge a chance.
Hear me out. OK, moderate.
It's not fully there yet. Yeah, right.
They're they're on the cusp. They don't know what they want,
clearly. Like these are the guys who can
barely dress themselves. These are the guys that are
perfect to date if you want a project, not like a a person.
You know what? I mean a project.
What do you mean? You know, when girls date for
potential girl, I'm seeing potential.
The man's a moderate, OK? He clearly he's just
misinformed. Get in there.
Go date him, be delusional, change him and do it for the
good of the country. OK, we need you.
It's hard times out there. Wow, I, I love it.
It's like I've never heard of, I never heard of dating for a good
cause like that. You know, yeah, gorilla dating.
Yeah, we're getting out there 'cause like, you know, this
world, it's tough times out there.
It feels like we can't really do anything.
But if we can change the hearts and minds of stupid dudes 1 by
1, I think we could really take over.
One step at a time, yes. One dude at a time.
That's that's how we're gonna when the election next in the
next election, Yeah, yeah. Yeah, women aren't fighting in
the wars, but we have other wars that we can fight.
Exactly. Yeah, that's my take.
Now, I'm not saying it's going to be fun for us.
I'm not saying the girls are going to like them.
Well, I mean, it's going to be hard to date any man.
Word. Right.
So you might as well contribute to the country, to the good.
'Cause yes, right, Exactly like you're going to.
It's going to be turmoil. Whoever you date.
You might as well like change some, change some belief
patterns. Do you know what I mean, 'cause
then they get out of their feedback loop.
Like we're all in our algorithm, in our own little feedback loop.
And these guys, like, give them a little Pixie dust, a little
pussy dust, you know? OK, I have a but I have a
concern if that's actually the case.
What if? What if the guy converts the
girl? No, that's not allowed.
No, I don't. I don't.
I'm not responsible for that if that's what happens.
Good Lord. OK, OK, let me then.
Only cool girls are allowed to go on this mission.
You're only allowed to go on this mission if you're a liberal
baddie and you understand what's going on.
Yeah, you have to be like strong enough in your belief.
You cannot be changed. Yeah, yeah.
Oh my God. We're going for the moderate,
not the fully conservative. Yeah, the fully conservative.
That takes a special kind of woman.
Now I am that woman. Put me in there.
Have you been? Have I dated a Republican?
Yes. You don't.
Have. No, no, no.
Listen, OK. I grew up in Iowa, so it's
different there. OK, what's it like there?
Well, it's just the middle of the country, right?
So it's very traditional. I heard there's like a lot of
like fields, cornfields. There's a lot of cornfields.
Yeah, that's it. That's all.
I haven't been to Iowa. Well, the men are hot.
They are girl. Yeah.
You like them? What's your?
What's your type? I mean, I like a hot guy.
Yeah. And is he tall?
Yeah. Is he pretty strong?
Yeah. Yeah.
Does he love his mom? Yeah, I yes, but not so much
not, not like to the point where.
OK, OK. Not to the point where he's like
a baby. Well, I would say what you just
described is like the classic Midwestern man.
Oh. My God, that's a Midwestern man.
Maybe I should be like looking out for like, maybe I should set
my hinge pinned to like somewhere else instead of New
York. Cuz I feel like in New York it's
different. It's not a Midwestern man.
No, like these men do not. That's another thing that's
keeping me up at night. Yeah.
What is it? Men don't stand for women on the
subway, right Stand. OK, that's also one of my
observations when I come to New York.
And this very recently, like 2 days ago, I was in the subway
and I was like wearing heels. My heels like are killing me.
And then a guy stood up for me and let me sit on the seat and
they're like they're tourists, they're not from here.
I was like, of course, Taurus, you're Taurus.
Because a New Yorker would not give up his seat for a woman
who's suffering. In her heels.
And like, I see that both ways. Like, OK, yeah, whatever, he's a
New Yorker, but stand up like, be, be a be a man.
I know gross. I and I know people are going to
have feelings about that both ways.
I was dating this guy from Texas and he was like a true, like,
cowboy gentleman. Weirdly voted for Bernie
Sanders. So don't get, you know, he
wasn't a Republican. OK, God bless him.
Anyway, like he was, I dated this guy from Texas and he went
to visit me in New York and he wouldn't sit on the subway
because he's like a woman or an older person might need to sit.
And he was like God, you know? Men like that exist.
They do, but only in Texas, apparently.
You got to really be careful. OK, OK.
About the subway giving seats, one, it's like a very much of A,
so I, I grew up in China and in China whenever we take buses or
subways, you always gave up your seat.
Like, it's always like, you will be looked down upon if you don't
give up your seats to someone who's like, I don't know, older
or pregnant or maybe carrying a lot of stuff or look a little
bit more, I don't know, disadvantaged.
Yeah. And but I feel like here it's
not as much. No.
I see like all these grandmas standing in the subway, nobody's
giving them with the seat. No, yeah, I don't.
I don't like that. Give grandma a seat.
I gave a lady a seat, my seat the other day.
Yeah, Her name was Joan. Joan, if you're out there, she's
80 years old. She was so cool.
We had like a really awesome conversation because I gave her
my seat and then some lady gave up her seat so I could sit by
Joan because we were having a little chit chat.
Oh wow, the kindness will is contagious.
Kindness is contagious. That's good.
T-shirt that's AT shirt. That's right.
That would be good. I've.
Heard about the? T-shirt business.
How did you get your because I saw your I need to get my logo
up on like some shirt like this so I can sell my merch.
You know, because this is a sleepover and I was like, why
are you already having a merch before I did?
Oh my gosh, this is actually from being I was a bridesmaid.
I was a bridesmaid in Four Weddings this year.
Just this year. Just in this year 2025, I was a
bridesmaid 4 times, which is so beautiful and so expensive.
You. It's expensive for you.
Girl, have you ever been a bridesmaid?
No, I've never. The American bridesmaid system
has gone so far. Tell me about it.
Yo, okay, when you are asked to be a bridesmaid, first of all,
they don't just ask you anymore. You get like a box in the mail.
Oh yes, you get a box in the mail like they're proposing to
you. Oh my God, I got fancy perfume.
I got a lip plumper. I mean, I use all this stuff all
the time, but it was a huge. But it's all a trap.
It's it's a lure, it's a lure. Yeah, yeah, they, they give you
a box and they say, all right, you're going to spend 4 to $500
just to come to my wedding and love me and listen, I'll do it,
but why can't I just. Love you instead of spending
that much money, Yeah. What do you spend the money on?
Well, the dress, so they pick a bridesmaids dress it it depends
on the brides, but it's it's never less than $100 for a
bridesmaid. Dress.
They pick the dress. Well, yeah, because they want
their bridesmaids to, like, look a certain way.
Right. And you have to buy the dress.
Yeah. What?
Well, yeah, because I'm the one wearing it, I guess.
And now and then you keep them all.
So now I just have a closet, the tiniest closet in New York City,
and it's filled with bridesmaids dresses.
Yeah, and these dresses are big. They're like puffy or like they
have a lot of layers. There's a lot going on.
Yeah. Yeah.
One of them was like a little tighter, which was good.
OK. Yeah.
And some they are cute and like, I hope I will wear them again,
but I'm not wearing a lot of gowns on the daily, you know?
But yeah, they're expensive. So you have to get the dress and
then you have to fly there if you don't live there, right?
And then you buy a gift for them, typically.
And then there's The Bachelorette party, which
typically involves travel. OK, what?
What about tell me more about Bachelorette party?
Have you ever been to? About I haven't what?
You've never been to a Bachelorette party?
Okay, well the it's like a sleepover, but like on steroids
and a little more sexy. Okay.
Not that a sleepover isn't sexy, yeah, but a Bachelorette party?
I'm trying to think of a good example.
Is it just one night? No, it's usually a weekend.
It's usually a weekend. You get there.
This is this is important information.
You get there on say like a Thursday night and everyone's
chill and settling in. There's outfit planned for every
day. It is extreme.
It's extremely regimented. Like you show up and you will be
wearing jeans and a black top. Wow.
And if you're not wearing jeans and a black top, you're gonna
borrow somebody else's jeans and a black top.
Oh my God. Or you can't.
Or you're not invited. No, you're murdered.
Yeah, it's like a. Cult I think I've saw, I think
I've seen like a like a documentary.
The Bachelorette Marty murders. First it's sexy, then it turns
sour. Yeah.
No, I yes, I would say you show up on a Thursday, you put on
your jeans and your black top, the girls assemble, then
everyone gets drunk. And then there's like a daytime
activity that usually involves drinking and like, penis shaped
lollipops. And then everyone gets really
drunk. One person always cries, you
know? You've had that with girls.
I know how they are, those people.
It's always me. I'm kidding.
But and then you party and then everyone's like super hungover
the next day. But you said that you were gonna
drink again. So then everyone's like hungover
on a boat. Uh huh.
It's like a reality TV show. It's like you're on a mission.
Yeah. Yeah.
You're on a mission to have, like, the most fun and like, you
just stand in a circle around the bride who's wearing white a
lot. And you're like, yeah, girl,
it's like that. That's kind of fun.
Yeah. Yeah.
We have to get you to a Bachelorette.
Wait, let me get married. Me.
No, you get married. I.
Got a few Republicans I can. Call they they they're the ones
that are actually getting married I.
Know listen, I want to get married.
Yeah, I would want to get married too.
I would. Love to get married.
I don't think anyone in New York wants to get married and I don't
know why. Yes what's up with that?
I know I was like I don't know what it is but my TikTok has
been giving me all these videos about situationship and some why
like everything about situationships.
Are you in a situationship? I'm I'm.
T she's in a situation ship. It's not it's going OK, hold on.
I'm I'm reading just from the vibe it's going OK, but we're
not going to talk about it yet on the podcast.
No, I can't talk about it yet. Oh, he's famous.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's famous.
Listen. Well, I'm glad I'm.
Thank you. You're welcome.
I. Wish, I wish.
Is he? Treating you nicely.
We're too shy. We can't talk about it.
I'll talk about mine all day long.
No, I just went through a breakup.
Here's the thing about me. I don't know if this is true of
you. I will fall in love at the drop
of a hat. Me too, it's bad.
It's bad. I meet them and then I like, I
immediately see everything good about them and nothing bad,
right? And I'm like, we should get
married. Yeah.
And we should, yeah, have kids. And you know.
Yeah, I think I'm the love bomber.
Me too. Hot girls.
We're hot girls love bombers. Yeah, we're love bombers.
I just listen. I I would rather be that way.
And then everyone's always like, oh, but it like it crashes and
burns and I'm like, yeah, because it's hot and fast and
loose. Yeah, I.
Mean that's why people do drugs. That is why people do drugs,
right? Yeah.
It's not about the after the drug, it's about when you're on
the drug. Yeah, yeah.
And we're we're interested in the love drugs.
Exactly. Yeah.
You know that song? I used to be love drunk, but now
I'm hungover. Do you know that song?
It's like a weird emo song. I really like emo boys lately.
Emo boys I I I'm not sure if I like emo boys, but I do like
boys that are not AA are not my type.
You don't like alpha man? No, why not?
I don't know, I feel like it's too much.
It's there's too much of them like there, there's too much
personality. And I feel like I would be, I
want to be an alpha too. So I guess you can't have two
alphas in a relationship. You want them subdued?
You want a quiet guy? Isn't that why we isn't that?
Why isn't that what the Oh my God, what am I saying?
Isn't that why we love bomb? Because we're we're the alpha
and isn't it? I've never thought about it like
that. I don't know.
I think I love Bond because I just really want my life to be a
like a romantic comedy. OK.
But maybe I don't know if I'm the alpha, I don't know what I
am, but I was a Delta gamma at college, so maybe it's that.
DG forever. No, I'm kidding.
Were you in a sorority? No, I wasn't.
That was a thing. But sorry, back to alpha men.
You don't want to date alpha men.
You want to date someone who you want to be like the star.
Have you heard the theory about how there's the flower in the
water? No.
What is it? OK, so there's this theory that
in every relationship there's the flower and the water, and
that one person is kind of the flower and the other person
waters them and watches them grow.
However, that sounds kind of awful.
Like ideally both people would be the flower, but I I people
say that it tends to be that one person ends up kind of being the
flower. Oh, are you the flower?
Well, I'm not dating anyone right now, but.
Were you the flower? I have been the flower, I have
been the water. I've seen both ways this shakes
out. You know, I've been both.
I think my ideal would be that we're both both, but it's really
hard to be with a guy who thinks he's the flower hard.
Yeah. Then you're, yeah.
Then you have to be like a trat wife to like nurture, nurture
him, you know? I don't want to be a trat wife
at all. I would love to make a loaf of
sourdough bread, don't get me wrong, but I wouldn't like for
it to be my primary occupation. No, sometimes I feel like I
would be a good stay home wife but not with a kid.
You don't want kids? I don't know.
You don't know. Yeah, probably not.
OK. Yeah, I don't know.
No, it's a. Scary time.
I don't wanna. OK, I just saw this person's
dating profile. OK, can I talk about it?
I it's anonymous. It's OK.
So in this this guy, he has. Yeah, he has like a website on
his dating profile. So I out of curiosity, I click
into the website. He's like, oh, you can learn
more about me on this website. So I click into it.
I thought it's gonna be like a company page or something, like
like he's famous or something. But then it's a website that he
created, that he put everything about him on it.
It's like thousands of words. I can't scroll to the end.
It's like crazy. Anyway, I brought it up because
he was saying that like he's Steel Breakers with the first
deal, like he kept saying in that in whatever message he
wanted to say. He had a website, yes, of just
all about him. Yes, so much about him.
Specifically a website so that people could date him.
Yes, it was like a dating like app website.
Yeah, I gotta see this. Yeah, I'll show you after.
OK, yeah, that sounds like crazy.
He's like this is my net worth and it's like in the 2 digit
millions and he's like, I don't. Believe that at all?
I'm sorry, a dude with two digit millions net worth?
I mean, maybe that clock said he's like making a website about
himself. This guy is going to end up
being on an episode of Dateline. Oh.
Like in the in the good way or a bad.
Way bad. This guy's like he's going to
get you. Did you go out with?
It No, no, no, he's not in New York.
He's like in somewhere else and he's.
Where South Africa I don't. Know he's in America like Texas.
What? These Texas boys, they're coming
for us. Wait a minute.
Why were you in? Why did you find him?
How did you find him? No, He's.
I just saw this dating profile. Oh, OK, He's from Texas.
He lives in Texas, but he's like, oh, I'm willing to uproot
my whole life to wherever to meet you, you and whoever the
right person. Could it be you?
I don't. Know I don't I don't I feel like
I feel like that's such a direct or pragmatic way in dating like
approaching dating. It's like everything is all
stats and like I want 3 kids and you must want you must not have
any kids before and you must want three kids too.
And it's OK if we do, Sergey, and it's OK if, but it just
feels like everything is about reproduction.
That is the least sexy thing I've ever heard.
Like there's no, there's no like room for desire.
Yeah, I feel like you have to fall in love first.
You have to fall in love first. No, this man is like trying to
Make Love into a spreadsheet. Yeah, I'm like, if you find
someone that you really love, but the person only wants two
kids, are you gonna just say no? Yeah, yeah.
That's. Crazy.
This man needs to take an improv class.
This man needs to loosen up a little.
I I agree. I feel like OK, that's my hot
take. Everybody should take at least
one improv class. Oh, you're speaking my language.
I genuinely think if everyone took an improv class there'd be
no worse. Yes.
The the world would be a better place.
The world would be a better place.
I think people would kill people less.
Improv like changes everything. Improv rocks and people are
like, oh, it's cringy. Good.
Be a little bit. Cringy.
Yeah. You have to be taking some like
really a lot of courage for the, you know.
Yeah, to be off the cuff, to be in the moment, cuz like improv
is all about like listening and responding and like being in the
moment and not being in your head.
And we have such an epidemic of being in our heads and I'm
anxious. And it's just like, you gotta
and it's real, but you gotta get out of it.
You know, and it probably is about like teamwork.
So you have to like get out of your, get out of your head, get
out of your comfort zone. Yeah.
You gotta be a good listener. Yeah, yeah.
Are you doing improv? I do improv all the time.
Yeah, I do improv. Like a lot, which some people
don't, don't love. I definitely don't tell like
lead on dates with like, and yeah, I do a lot of improv
because like that will make a a man afraid, you know what I
mean? That'll scare.
That'll scare men off a little. Bit it was like in one of my
previous podcasts. It's like being funny as a
woman. It will scare men away or
something. Like that for sure, for sure you
can be. As long as they perceive that
they are still better than you, then they'll like you.
I can't tell you how many first dates I've gone on where men
will say, like, I'll tell them I'm an actor, and then they'll
be like, yeah, I think I'd be, like, really good at acting
like, if I tried. Yeah.
And this other day I went on this guy, he was like, I bet I I
could do. Honestly, I think if I did stand
up I'd be really good. Yes, and they'd be trying to
give you all these jokes. Yes.
They're like pitching me jokes and what I say, what I always
say. When a man tells me he thinks
he'd be really good at stand up, I always just hold his hand and
I go. A lot of men think that, and
then they're always like, yeah. And then it usually shuts him
down. God, I love shutting men down
and I love building them up. You gotta do both.
Is that how you're?
That's how you're gonna convert a moderate man.
I wanna convert a moderate man to to Vote Blue by just building
them up. I'm gonna get him.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna break down his walls.
Here's how I'll do it. Okay, what we're gonna say.
You go first. So if I.
Had a moderate man in the room with us.
Now he was here with us. OK, imagine.
You want to know what I would imagine?
Here we go. Yeah.
Give us your best moderate man. Oh, OK.
Yeah. Good little wave.
Wonderful. There he is.
OK, good. He's got a beard.
It's a little weird, but we'll go with it.
Here he is. He clearly.
He just needs someone to hear him out.
I'm gonna listen to everything he says.
I'm gonna really get. I'm gonna hear his point of
view. I'm gonna make him feel so
heard, and then I'm gonna hit him with actual facts and
knowledge, but in a way where he thinks he's coming up with it.
And then he's going to be like, huh?
Yes. How do I do that?
Girl, maybe I'll start teaching classes.
Yes, you should you. Should.
Because you got to make men think that it's their idea.
And so one of the greatest strengths a woman has is
manipulation. And you can use it for good.
I'm not saying use it for evil, but, you know, manipulate them
into, you know, reading things or hearing you say things or
thinking about it in a way that they hadn't thought about it.
But they have to be like, huh, that's actually pretty smart.
You can't lecture them. You got to like, you got to
invite them to the improv class. OK, wait, I have two two things
I want to say First you I don't know if I can do that.
If I'm like love bombing them, like if I'm I'm, I'm like, you
know, in the high. I don't think I think that these
are two separate things. I think love bombing is meant
for love and dating a moderate is meant for bettering the
country. OK.
Yeah, OK. Yeah, is meant for service.
Yeah. No, but I understand love
bombing is I don't, I don't, I don't.
I never think that I'm love bombing in the moment.
Cause typically when I'm in that they're bombing me back, it's
equal bombing. OK, I guess I haven't.
Well, I I haven't been. I mean, I've been love bombing
people and people have been love bombing me, but he hasn't been
the same people. So it's kind of hard to find
that balance. But I don't know if I if the
love bombing is mutual, then what?
Then it's just love. Then you should get married.
Yeah, that's what I'm looking for.
Yeah. Yeah, I've been.
I've been Mutual love bombed. You want to know The hardest
thing about mutual love bombing is sustainability because it
does seem like you should get married when you're both love
bombing each other. But then it's kind of hard to
keep that up. And like the mask has to come
off at some point. And if it does come off, which
it should, then you see from there.
But sometimes when the masks comes off, it's like.
OK, so you're saying if if I'm love bombing someone and they
don't love bomb me back, that's a sign of healthy relationship
keeping looking forward and I should like love bomb them more
into to have them think this? Yeah, change their.
Minds that's horrible advice maybe I shouldn't have yeah,
maybe not I don't think I don't think the experts are going to
agree on that no, I think that you should just follow your
heart and be with people who are good I just think my general
opinion with people especially dating in New York not so much
like Midwestern like from Iowa. I just think people need to like
give it a go in like a full way. I don't like that people do
things kind of 50% to try to like guard their heart.
Like the whole thing about falling in love is that like it
is going to. Hurt your feelings, I know.
Like it just is. Yeah, and it I don't like how
people were like they're playing games like they're like, oh, I
shouldn't be sending the text. But then like, because they'll
think they're going to think that I'm too desperate.
But if you want, if you are desperate, you should.
They should know that you're desperate.
I will send seven texts in a row.
I don't care. Yeah, me too.
Yeah. I think, like, you have to tell
people that you like them because if you like them and
they like you, then they'll stick around.
But if they don't like you, then they'll be like this too much.
Thank you. Wonderful.
I'm so glad to know that I'm too much now before I wasted any of
my time and energy on you. Yeah, You know what I mean?
And usually. Yeah, I think that's better.
Like I have a friend and she met this guy and they've been
dating. They have been exclusively
dating, going on dates, hooking up, staying at each other's
houses for months like 6 months. They don't talk to anybody else,
but they're like, we're not dating, we're not boyfriend and
girlfriend. Why are they even doing?
That I'm like, you are boyfriend and girlfriend.
They're like, well, we might. I don't think we're really fit.
So we probably are going to break up in like a couple of
months. So like the whole time they're
just like keeping at keeping each other at arm's length.
So then you never get the benefit of truly falling in love
and you're still going to break up anyway.
So what are you doing? What are you doing?
You might as well be together. And instead of like, not giving
it a try at all. Yeah, yeah.
Are they, are they together? Like after a couple months they
say they're. Going to No, they're still doing
this. They're still doing it.
Still doing it. Yeah.
God bless them. I just feel like it's gonna hurt
your feelings either way. And you always after breakup,
you always get hotter, listen or not, maybe hotter in the soul.
I think you like after like a relationship ends, like you find
out more about yourself every time.
Yeah, and I think sometimes hotter on the outside too.
True. Yeah, yeah.
I'm trying to think if I've ever gotten uglier after a breakup.
I think you can get uglier. I mean, maybe in the moment for
a couple of days, and then you get yeah, yeah.
And then you get super hot. This stuffed animal has seen me
in ugly like the ugliest. States you've ever seen what's?
What's the name? Oh, this is Pudge.
Pudge. Yeah, if, if Pudge could talk,
he would be like maybe lock them doors and turn the last.
He's like a country. He's a country singer.
Look at him. He's got an old soul.
He was actually a Webkinz. Do you remember Webkinz?
No, wait, I might. It was like a you got it.
Like the stuffed animal came he, you, you could play him on the
video like on the computer as well.
So the stuffed animal came with a code and then you could play
the code on the website. That's so smart.
That's so cute. Yeah, it was a huge thing.
I thought I don't know if Webkinz is still there.
It probably it's like Club Penguin.
Did you have Club Penguin? No.
Damn. What did you have in China?
What was the game that you all played?
I don't know what was the game. We didn't play games.
Oh. Nintendo yeah, but it's not
related to our stuffed animals. Now what's this stuffed animal's
name? This is this is Ronnie.
Ronnie, I love him. Yeah, Pudge.
I feel like we we would like make a make a good couple.
I think so. Pudge and Ronnie.
Is Ronnie a girl or a boy? A.
Boy. Pudge is a boy.
What's up with that girl? I feel like all of my stuffed
animals are boys. Yes, and I feel like I I noticed
that for other girls too. Yeah.
No, no, no. My, your, your stuffed animals
are girls. OK, See, all of my stuffed
animals are guys. I don't know what that's about.
I also. Do you have the thing where you
have to, like, I always try to make sure his eyes are showing.
And then if I leave the house, he has to be facing up so he can
breathe. Oh.
Yes, yes. Not like under the cover.
No, yeah 'cause then he'll die. He needs.
To be able to breathe exactly. And some people might call that
autism, but I just call that being quirky.
OK, That's. That's being cute.
That's being considerate. That's being human being, that's
being a good person. Yeah, that that'll make you a
great mom. It sounds like you're going to
be a great mom. You're not going to leave your
kid. Face down, ass up in the covers.
Exactly. Yeah, and what are stuffed
animals if not preparing for motherhood, right?
Right. Yeah, I do.
I would love to be a mom. My sister's having a baby in a
couple of weeks. Congratulations.
So excited I'm going to be Aunt Liz.
Oh. That's exciting.
I want to make her cool. I don't know how to make a kid
cool besides just being cool near it, you know?
But she's gonna be a girl, so she can come to the sleepovers.
Oh yes, OK, maybe when she's over 18 she can come to this
sleepover. But other sleepovers she's
welcomed. Yeah.
Were you allowed to have sleepovers as a kid?
Yeah. My brother-in-law doesn't want
to let my niece have sleepovers, like ever.
Why? Apparently a lot of parents are
anti sleepover. Why?
Because they think that's when all the bad things what
happened. What are the best things?
Like drinking or like bullying? Okay, on one of the sleepovers I
did kiss my best friend, but. That's formative.
That's important. Everyone should kiss their best
friend once. Yes, yeah.
I think that's really good. I had a lot of sleepovers as a
kid and I think it teaches you how to be away from your parents
and I was always the first to fall asleep at a sleepover.
Oh, I don't. I don't remember details like
that. You know how everyone would want
to stay up and then you like you just trying to fall asleep and
then everyone giggles? You know what I'm talking about.
I always would fall asleep first.
I was a sleepy girl. No, you didn't.
You're not. I'm not good at staying up late.
But they might be talking about tea after you're asleep and
you're missing out. Almost certainly, yeah.
But then I would wake up in the morning earlier than all of
them, and I would go have real tea with their moms.
And that they had a real tea. Yeah, they have the.
Real tea and then you like hear about their like their divorce
or something and like that's really what I want to hear
about. I care about that way more than
than the kids. The freaking cheese puffs in the
basement. You know what I mean?
You're like you're. There for the moms, not the
kids. I am almost always there for the
moms. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Always there for the moms dating a guy who like, feels more
traditionally masculine. Yes, 'cause I feel like a lot of
girls that I talk to, a lot of my friends, they want a guy who
feels like rugged or like strong or like handy, like good around
the house, like he could like fix the cabinets or something.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Is that alpha or? No, that's not really alpha.
Oops, something. Just fell off.
I don't know. I think this little thing, it's
not necessarily. I don't think girls necessarily
want an alpha guy. It's more like he seems like he
could fix the leak in the pipes. Like I want a man who can, like,
you know, fix the cupboards if they break.
Like a man who has a tool kit in his house.
Why is that attractive? Why can't you just do it
yourself? I could, but I don't want to.
I don't know why that's so attractive.
Is that not attractive to you? Is that just me?
I don't find it attractive. What about like a lumberjack?
You know that one guy who cuts wood on the Internet?
Yeah, I know. But is that sexy to you?
It's. Not sexy to me.
What? What is sexy to you?
I don't. Know I like a male who can't
solve problems. Chopping what is a problem?
There's a fire that needs to be made.
You mean like solve what kind of problems?
I don't know. Like like excel spreadsheet
problems. I don't know you.
Want a man who can do spreadsheets?
A male who can like, you know, that are very organized and
like, you know, can book a flight and a whole trip and like
send me an Excel sheet and a whole e-mail of everything
booked up. You want an event planner?
Yes. OK.
If there's any hot event planners out there who do not
identify as alpha, drop a comment.
Yeah, no, that's so. Funny, the other day, OK, I was
like staying at this guy's place and the guy like went to work in
the morning and I was like still at this place and I went to the
bathroom and the and the water like tank broke so I couldn't
flush. And I'm like, I can't, I can't
leave. Was it poop or?
Pee it was pee OK, but still I can't have it like like I I
can't have my pee stay in his place when I'm leaving so I have
to like fix it on the slot. So I learned how to fix a water
tank that morning. Now the other day were me and
Victoria were out having drinks and the public bathroom.
The water water tank also broke and I fixed.
It. And you fixed it.
I fixed it. Girl, get this girl a medal.
That's crazy. You're just going around fixing
the pipes of New York City, baby.
Is that attractive? Yes, OK.
No, you are. You are the man who cuts wood on
Instagram to me now I'm like, hello?
Women doing it for themselves. Exactly.
Wow. That's really something that.
See, yeah, I I love that you're a problem solver and that you
were like, I'm just going to fix this thing.
I want a man like that, too. I'm like that too.
OK. But I just what's another
example? I just feel like my dad, not
that you're supposed, you know, you want to date someone who's
kind of like, my dad's a great man.
Yeah. I don't have daddy issues.
He's a good guy. And he just like, has the
mentality of I can figure that out.
I can fix that. Like, you know, that thing like,
oh, I wanted, I want to date a guy who would come pick me up
from the airport at 6:00 AM because my dad would.
Yes. You know what I mean?
OK, bring back picking up your friend from the airport.
Bring back picking up your friends from the air airport.
That is, you need to be a villager if you want to be in
the village. Have you ever heard that?
Like, you need to, if you want someone to pick you up from the
airport, go pick someone up from the airport.
Yes. Yeah.
I love getting picked up from the airport.
I love picking up a friend, bringing some flowers, Right.
Whatever happened to flowers? I know, and it's not that hard
to pick up a friend from the airport and it's gonna
inconvenience. Inconvenience.
What's the word? Inconvenience.
Yep, it's gonna inconvenience
you. Yeah, but it's not that much of
A inconvenience and. It helps them so much.
Yes. I think that's so true of a lot
of things because everything is so convenient now with like
Ubers and this is, and that's like people don't go out of
their way for people as much anymore because like there's a,
there's quick solutions for everything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I guess because you said
your your dad will pick up pick you up from the airport Totally.
Yeah. So like if you it'll be much
better if your dad pick up pick you up from the airport, then if
he sends you money to get an Uber.
Totally. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. My dad would never send me money
to get an Uber and be like, that's a waste of money.
I'll just come pick you up. Right.
But I'm also, I'm from Iowa, and everyone drives everywhere.
OK. So like, my mom would drive me 3
hours to Chicago to get to the airport there.
You know what I mean? But yeah, my dad wouldn't send
me money. My parents don't send me money
for anything. Yeah, but I don't ask for it
either. I have like a fear of asking
people for money. Me.
Too I never like. I don't want help from anyone.
Yeah, I I don't like asking money from people.
And also, it's like I just brought it up because I heard
people's parents, they're complaining that their parents
didn't pick them up. Instead of pick them up, they
send them money to get Uber. I wouldn't complain, I don't.
Know I feel like it's not like they should show up as a parent
to pick them up and yeah I remember when I was like leaving
leaving in China I was like my mom I mean we don't drive in
China because there's like cities everywhere so she like
she would take the subway with me to the airport for.
An hour and back. So it's still sending off and
picking up without driving. Yeah, I once, I once fell in
love with a guy in Greece and he literally changed my entire
perception on love. Like I, he's an incredible
person, person. And I met him when I was in
Greece and then he, I invited him to come and visit me in New
York. He had never been to America in
his life. And so he came and he visited
New York and he stayed with me in my like tiny little apartment
in Hell's Kitchen for a week. And I went and picked him up
from the airport and like, I made him a sign and like he kept
the sign, you know what I mean? Like little things like that I
think go a long way. How did he teach you about love
that you didn't know before? What?
It's a good story. I've actually never told this
story, so that's a fun story. So I had gone through a horrible
breakup. I was living with my ex in New
York, and we broke up and I had moved and I was healing, I
guess. And I went to Greece because my
cousin was getting married and my grandmother, my Yaya, sent me
to Greece to go to my cousin's wedding.
So I was there. Solo trip, hot girl solo trip in
Greece. And I was walking around the
streets and I saw this sign that said improv vibe, which is like
it was an improv school. And I was like, they have improv
in Athens and I love improv. So I went in and they were like,
oh, we're actually doing our all our first ever all English open
jam tomorrow night if you wanna come.
And I was like, I wanna come. That's destiny.
OK, It was destiny. I show up at the this bar and in
the back of the bar they're doing an improv open mic.
I walk in and I make eye contact with 64 Greek God like curly
hair, so beautiful, like cool, like glasses, like kind of
artsy, like cool outfit. I made eye contact with him and
it was like, like it was instant.
And I swear to God, we kissed before we even talked.
It was. It was crazy.
Yeah. Like it was.
So it was a movie. Like we just, yeah.
We sat next to each other and we watched these people do improv
and like our knees touched and then like, yeah, we were just
inseparable. It was crazy.
It was like soulmate. It was so electric.
And he was such a gentleman.
And then we went like we didn't hook up.
We just like we kissed, but like we didn't, you know, I mean, and
then we continued seeing each other.
He took me on dates like we really like, Yeah, fell in love.
And then he came to visit me in America, and I showed him
America like he had never been in a building taller than 10
stories. Oh my God.
And I took him to like the 96th floor, like something crazy like
that. And I brought him to the Comedy
Cellar. He was like obsessed with
American stand up comedy. He was obsessed with it.
And we saw Andrew Schultz and he like loves Andrew Schultz.
So we saw that. And he, like, I've never seen a
grown man more excited than him. Like he, we took him to
Broadway. I took him to a Broadway show
and he wept because it was just so spectacular.
Like he just never seen anything like it.
So anyway, after that I went. So we stayed in touch.
Obviously we were in love. And then I went to Greece again
that October and visited him. And we went to Santorini and we
like, stayed in this like, sexy cave.
And then we went to visit my family, like my Yaga's like
village in Greece. And I saw like family members I
hadn't seen since I was a kid. And he was my translator.
Wow, that's yeah, it is very magical.
It was so magical. So Mamma Mia.
Yeah. And yeah, he just like, I still
love him to this day. We still talk.
But he was, he wouldn't be happy if he lived in America and I
wouldn't be happy, I don't think, living there.
So we just love each other and support each other from afar.
But like, that's the love of my life for sure.
Wow, how can you fall in love with someone else when you have
that person? Yeah, because I know I can't.
This isn't very ROM com like. I feel like in the movie I would
end up with him. I would like run away to Greece,
but then I don't know. I just, I don't think that's the
right thing for me to do. And to choose yourself first.
Yeah, so I think for me, I know that I'm gonna find someone in
America who is my guy, but he just.
This is what I say. Some people are meant to raise
your bar. And the people I was dating
before I met him, I wasn't holding them to a standard that
I should have been for my heart and myself.
And meeting him and him loving me for like my whole operation,
like the bad stuff combined, I was like, huh, like this is what
it should be and I'm not going to accept anything less.
Yes. So he really gave me the gift of
raising my bar, even though I don't think I'm going to be with
him. Yeah, I agree.
I love that for you. Thank you.
And when we were talking about you were showing him all around
New York, you know, the Broadway shows and comedy, it, it made me
feel like you're being a man in the relationship.
I don't know. I I was being the man.
Yes, well. Maybe he he did that for me when
I went to Greece, he showed me around.
I think it's just like New York is my city.
So I was, I was being very lady like, let me let me tell you,
But I was showing him around and showing him my world.
You know what I mean? It was so cool.
It's crazy to watch the face of someone who's never seen America
to, like, go to Times Square. I need a Krispy Kreme doughnut.
You know what I mean? Like it was crazy.
It's. Pretty precious.
I feel like after, after that, he must be in love with you too.
Like, yeah. Like, he's like, like, like
completely in love. Well, I think like he was, this
was a few years ago now. It's been a little bit of time.
It's been at least. Yeah, like 2 years.
Oh, that's crazy. Yeah.
So he supports me from afar. I think he has a new girlfriend.
I don't know. I don't.
It's like this is the only relationship in my life where I
feel like that, like I'm my other exes.
I like maybe we'll still be get back to get like, I don't know,
like not really. Yeah, Yeah.
No, I feel like it's because you both, I feel like it was great
because you're equal. Like you, like I said, it's not
like by saying you're the man in the relationship when you were
showing him around in New York, it's like you both have autonomy
to show each other a part of your world.
So it's like, you know, because I'm thinking, oh, like
sometimes, sometimes girls can like be infatuated by a guy
because he's showed him her a good time.
But it's like you're doing that, but you are like, it's
interchangeable because you you did that and he did that too.
Yeah, I think for me also, it was such an understanding of
culture. Like he felt so like home for me
because I grew up with my Greek side of the family and grew up
in the Greek Orthodox Church and like around Greek people.
And he just like is he's just like super open, like he'll chat
with anyone. Like I love, I love a man who
can talk to strangers. Oh God, I love a man who chit
chats. I love a man who can like make
conversation and go have fun because that makes life so much
more fun. I don't really want you to be
shy. Yes, yes, I agree.
I'm like, grow up, you're shy. You know a hot take.
A grown man shouldn't be shy to talk to strangers.
Well, and women, I don't want women to be shy either.
I just don't like, love shy people.
No, I don't, but I mean, it's hard for people.
People are different, I guess, but it's for more for like me
choosing a partner. Maybe I see that as a green
flag. One last question before we end
the Oh my gosh, yeah, Yeah. So because you were talking
about the Greece Greek guy, do you think I've also had this
talk with my previous podcast guest, But do you think it's
like better for a relationship to have two people from very,
very different backgrounds so you can like, you know, teach
each other or show each other your own cultural experiences?
Or do you think it's better for the people to have similar
backgrounds so you can relate to each other?
I don't know. Yeah, Interesting.
I don't know if one is necessarily better than the
other. I think here's my take.
When you first are meeting somebody and falling in love,
it's more fun and more exciting. When you come from different
backgrounds in different places and you learn about the other's
culture, it's just a little bit more of an uphill battle because
you have to compromise and like as if it goes on long term, you
have to merge worlds. So I think it's easier if you
find someone who, like, has the exact same lived experience as
you because it's easier to merge into one, you know, one being
when you get married, whatever, you know what I mean?
So I think it's easier to meet someone who's the same as you,
but it's more fun and maybe more rewarding to meet and be with
someone who's different from you.
Like, I've learned so much dating people who are so
different from me. Like that Texas guy, Yeah, he
was awesome. It was really fun to date him.
And we were really different, but our core values were the
same. So I think if your core values
are the same, then it doesn't matter so much about your like
you know where you grew up or whatever.
I like that. I agree, yeah.
Yeah, we got really deep with it at the slumber party.
Is that OK? Yeah.
Of course we. Always get deep.
We get deep. Yeah, we're stuffy.
Yeah, they're so cute. We're hot and we're deep.
Yeah, hot girls have stuffed animals.
Yes, yeah. Hot girls have stuffed animals
on their beds. More than one if you like.
Sometimes. Yeah, I have at least three.
Yeah, yeah, I have a bunch over there.
They're so cute. Leave a labooboo.
Yeah, I do. Wow, wow.
Yeah. Thank you so much for coming.
Thanks for having. Me.