We're still friends, We're still friends.
We're still friends. We're still.
Friends. Actually, I do have a funny I
have a funny story about that. I was in the Middle East and the
Middle East, like dude, that happens a lot.
Like it's just that happens way like way more than what you
think. And I remember I went to get him
and Muslims are very like anti-gay, you know, especially
if you're in the Middle East. Like they're anti-gay, you know,
they're like, hey, you're gay. What is?
But don't don't touch me. Like that's just how they are.
Yeah. And I remember there was a a
Barber shop next to a massage parlor.
And I'm like, man, I've been in this place for a month.
I'm sore. I'm beat up on my training camp.
And hey, brother, the massage parlor next door.
Do you know if it's good or not? They're like, no, no, no, it's
it's it's no good. I'm like, why have you have you
tried it before? He says, no, no, I just, I don't
like it. I'm like, OK, well, well, why he
goes, it's, it's all guys. I'm just like, dude, at this
point I don't even care, like if a guy massages me, as long as he
feels good. Like I just want to massage.
I want to feel better. And he goes, I, I think it's
gay. I think it's gay.
I was like, dude, I'm going to go in there.
I'm going to ask like, I don't care.
I just want to massage. And I go and it's supposed to be
a Thai massage, but it's like a bunch of Filipinos walking
around and I, I walk in and for sure the guy in the back is like
a gay Filipino just staying in there.
He's like, oh, how can I help you?
You know that stuff? And I'm just like, oh, you had a
menu of like, the massage is like Swedish, Thai, all that
stuff. And the very bottom it says
ultimate massage. And I'm like, what the fuck is
an ultimate massage? And I'm like, but there's no
descriptions, you know? But it's cheap.
So I was like, excuse me, what's the ultimate massage?
And I just see nothing but guys walking around.
So there's no females in this place.
He goes, oh, this one, you get 2 guys.
And I'm like, yeah, no, I don't. I don't want that one.
I mean, did we know it was a special massage or was it like
two guys working on your back? It was supposed to be two guys
just massaging you, you know, that's it, that's it.
I mean, 'cause it said like deep tissue Swedish, she'll tie.
And then the very bottom ultimate massage is like, you
get 2 guys. I'm like, I'm not going to do
that one, why not? But I got the tie and you are
completely butt naked and it threw me off a little bit, but I
didn't care. It was honestly one of the best
massage they've ever gotten. But yeah.
Was it? Was it a gay massage though?
No, no, I don't believe so unless I'm a wrestler.
So there's, it has to be like super, super gay for me to be
like, oh, this is gay because we're, I think we're all kind of
little gay, but I mean. Usually it's a good massage.
That's how you know it's a legit massage, right?
You see, the only problem is like, and guys understand this.
We're like sometimes we just so happen to get a little excited
and it's not our fault. Like sometimes we, we just wake
up or I'm laying on my stomach and some guys like pushing your
back or somebody's pushing your back and your fucking Dick is
like doing this. Like you're like, hey man, you
should stop because that kind of feels nice.
And even though I don't like this, this little guy likes
this. You know what?
I'm butt naked and this guy's like massaging my back and I'm
like growing down my leg. I'm like, oh God, please don't,
please don't, Please don't you know?
So it's very. Outside said.
I think it's. Gay.
Yeah, He's like a brother. I think it's gay.
I'm just like, it's a pretty cheap massage, so go get it,
dude. I went back.
It was a good massage, all right.
So how many times did you end up going back there?
For the time I was, I was there three times.
And none of the times you went from, none of.
The times. Oh, God, though, No, I couldn't
handle two small men on my back. They're small.
Yeah. They're tinier than me.
And that's me. That's the best massage you've
ever gotten? Dude, actually today was a
really good massage. It was like a little 70 year old
lady. Then Thai massages, you know,
they have the poles on top and they like climb on your back and
then jump on you and stuff. Dude, she, she was my
chiropractor. She was my stretch therapist.
She stretched me out like it was.
It was phenomenal. And no Tuggies.
No, Tuggies. Actually, when you walk into
this place, it literally says no happy endings.
Really. Yeah.
And they beat the shit out of you.
So it's it's kind of nice. They can fight there, too.
No, they just they're little old ladies who like put all their
pressure on you and use their weight to their advantage.
And it's actually really impressive.
Besides me, I literally just go to places for massages and we
were talking off air. Like dude, the only time I've
ever gotten a quote UN quote tuggy is from massages at
people's houses. Like it just so happened to be
like, and it wasn't even I was going there for anything.
I was like, I'll come to get a massage.
You know, it just so happens to be like a pretty female or just
female, whatever. And then I don't know where
like, we have a conversation because we're friends and I'm
like, oh, man, this girl needs like some help or some saving or
like, she just needs like, somebody to talk to.
Yeah, she don't want to be. Oh, dude, I saved them all.
I saved them all for the time being.
And I'm like, go fly, little bird.
It's kind of like rescuing a bird that has like, broken wing
and you're like, oh, cool, let me take care of you.
This Then it's like, all right, fly away and then throw them in
the air and see what happens. Like it's catching, really.
And if they run into the window, that's their fault.
But yeah, because that happens you.
Just got to tag them up and let them out into the world it.
Was it was the best, some of the best massages I've ever.
Gotten. You know, it's crazy to me.
You said you've had it multiple times.
Yeah, yeah, I'm a good talker. I don't know, I got, I got good
energy. I, I speak well to people and
dude, actually talking about that.
I actually, of course, I have a girlfriend now, so I can't
really be like that anymore. But the crazy thing is because
she'll ask me about times or like, I'll express the moment
and I'm like, dude, it's, it's weird how sometimes I've dated
women and I was, I'm a mama's boy, so I was raised by my
mother. So I treat women respectfully.
And sometimes it might be in a sense, quote UN quote, like
boyfriend energy, if you want to say.
And but these girls have been treated like shit their entire
lives. So anytime you give them a
little bit, they're just like, Oh my gosh, he really likes me,
you know, and either they want that and they pursue it or they
don't and they kind of just ghost you or leave you alone,
which is a good sign for me because it's like, cool, I don't
have to waste my time or whatever.
The only problem is, even if I don't like you that way, I treat
you naturally. Well, like if you're next to me,
I'm going to treat you like my girl because I'm not going to
just treat you like a piece of meat.
You know, the problem is most of these women have only been
treated like a piece of meat. So any times like, Oh my gosh,
like they'll like jump on and latch on like a leash, a Leech.
And I'm like, oh, oh, this is my fault.
Oh, my bad, you know, because I'm not used to dating like
that. So yeah, it's it's kind of crazy
how some people haven't really even been treated respectfully
and. Those girls, those are the ones
that they love you, especially when you have a girlfriend.
Yeah, You ever notice that? Dude, actually I, I, I don't
post about my girl 'cause Instagram's weird dude.
Like people click their profile, try to follow them, talk shit or
hit on them or whatever the case may be.
Like I just don't. And every once in awhile, like
we went on 4th of July, I post a picture so my friends tag her
and I'm like, oh sure, I don't care, whatever.
But people will message and they're weird.
But man, I remember I took her to Chicago to meet my mom, which
is a huge thing for me and surprised I even did that, but
took pictures, all that stuff. Literally girls that I used to
date in Chicago messing me. Like who the fuck is that?
I was like, oh, this is my girl. Like when the fuck are you going
to tell me you had a girl? I was like, I kind of just got
her, you know, and just do they block me or start talking shit
or message them and start talking shit And I'm like, damn,
I was messing with the wrong woman, you know, or some really
fun but very, very toxic woman. It's kind of crazy how that
works out. Well, it's it's the caveat.
Like sometimes a very very fun woman are also the ones you
can't date in the in the long term.
Otherwise known as hot. Yeah, hot women.
They're hot, but they're hot crazy women.
You know, like the ones that would, like, trash your car.
Like, and I, dude, I got a Land Rover at home.
I keep that bitch in the garage on purpose and I'm afraid
they're going to break my car or slash my tires or key in or do
whatever. That's your purple one.
Yeah, yeah, that's back in Chicago.
Yeah, sadly. Which dude?
Some guy was a Jackass. Like I get out of my car and I'm
like a block away and he's like, oh, is that your purple Rover?
Yeah, no, I bet it was. And I'm like, what the fuck?
You know, I was like, OK, we just, we're just going to talk
shit. But no, yeah, it's, it's, it's
very noticeable as you can tell with this.
Fits. Yeah, we.
I haven't had you here in a while, if you guys don't notice.
Jose Shorty, Torres team Shorty the Legend.
Hi. So how have you been since the
last time we got together? You had the epic trilogy fight.
Which motherfucker? I thought I won, but it's just
one of those things where regardless I I can make all the
excuses like, oh, he was running, He was this or, you
know, it was an Africa when an African fighter and African
judges. I can have everything put
against me, but I also didn't get to finish.
You know, as much as I want to talk shit because you have the
animosity, especially right after a fight, you want to do
certain things. Hell, even my brother almost got
into a fight while I'm doing my in cage interview after the bow.
He's like talking smack to my opponent and his team and I'm
just like, dude, I'm fucking trying to do my interview stop.
And I had to be like, hold on, let me stop my interview.
Stop these guys from fighting and I, you know, redid my
interview, but it's it's one of those things, man, it's look at
Mazzaro. Mazzaro is probably a prime
example. And there's a page that always
puts on like all these posts of fighters when then end their
quotes and he's like, dude, I've been choked out, I've been
knocked out. I've been doing all these
things, but I'm making a living. I'm pushing through and I'm not
giving up. You know, I've had the judges
robbed me. I've had fights that I thought I
should have won or whatever the case may be, but no matter what,
you got to keep on fighting, you know.
So for me, as much as I'm upset that I thought I want to find it
lost, especially in a trilogy, it is what it is, man.
I'm able to fight another day. You know, hopefully fight news
coming soon, because I'm still waiting for fight news.
That's why I'm in Vegas and just kind of go from there, man.
You know, I'm now technically in a my first ever to fight losing
skid because it's the same opponent, the trilogy fight.
But the fact is it's motivation. You know, if you do the sport
long enough, like everything's bound to happen.
You know, I got cuts from the one of the fights for him.
The first one I got slashed up and then I got my first in a
sense, in my belief robbery, you know, so it's like and I've to
fight losing skid, you know. So it's like, you know what,
man, let me push on through and see what happens next and
hopefully, you know, for the better.
But until then, got to keep on training.
It was a it was a classic fight. That's.
Called and and that's the thing, like worst is the worst.
I want to be like Justin Gaichi or I want to be like Cerrone,
where it's like, no matter what, if I want to lose, you want to
watch me fight again. You know?
Like, man, Arturo Gotti wasn't the best fighter, but dude,
every time you saw him fight, that guy was in a brawl.
Right, he's in a war. Yeah, same thing with Diego
Sanchez. Like he was never championed,
but dude, he every time you fall you're like, it's going to be a
wild rappy fight. You're going to be entertained.
No matter what. And that's, that's, that's our
sport. That's what we are.
We might not be comedians, we might not be actors or
actresses, but we're entertainers and that's, that's
our that's our job. And I would say that fits your
fighting style perfectly. Well, purple hair, small guy,
big head and you know, personality naturally I want to
have fun and I'm a I'm a small little Roberto Duran with
Pacquiao speed and hopefully triple G power.
Like I want to have some fun inside the cage.
The only problem is, at least in my last opponent, he's 6 feet
tall. It was literally the witch
version of Israel to Sonia Calvin Gastelum.
But three times, you know, So for me, when you have an
opponent who is going to keep a distance and even at times
having to, in a sense run to keep me away 'cause I'm trying
to be a Leech on them, I get it, it sucks.
But it also has to force me to change my fighting stuff
because, you know, he's 6 feet tall, 5 foot 4, you know, that,
that, that range advantage is freaking phenomenal.
Also, you look at Jon Jones versus Cormier.
Cormier was an Olympic level wrestler trying to take down
everybody. He barely ever took down Jon
Jones on all their fights. You know, so it's, it changes
your fighting style. So I'm hoping, you know, knock
on wood again, that I get someone a little closer to my
height that I can actually, you know, show my, my stand up
skills and, and have a, a fun contest.
Cause again, I don't mind getting dropped or knocked out.
Like obviously, again, hopefully that doesn't happen, but at
least I knew I was in a war at that time compared to I'm
chasing, I'm doing this, I'm only wrestling and dude, I want
to be a Pacquiao fighter. I don't make it a boring fight
and I'm just holding on to somebody.
Do you think he's of UFC level talent?
I think if he fights someone because I, I'm not a
bantamweight as much as I feel that it's easier to make weight
and I'm healthier for sure. I'm, I'm naturally a flyweight.
I'm a small guy and maybe one day that I would like to make my
return to flyweight one day. Especially when you have Amira
Bazi, who's #3 or #2 ranked in the UFC.
And again, kudos to him, a sparring partner now that he's
at the top ranked in the UFC. But I'm his only loss.
So for me, it's like I can go with those guys, you know,
Brandon Moreno, Pantoja, Mohammed Mokai, have mental
Cape. All the other guys in the top
five, like I've trained with all of them.
I know what I can do with them. I've had my wins, I've had my
losses against them, whatever the case may be, but I know I
can hold my own with them. The problem is I'm in a
promotion where they're using my name to get to the UFC or
Bellator, or at least a better known promotion.
So for me and Cosi, I think it's a very good opponent.
But I think when he fights someone his height that can, you
know, move his head a little bit more because I don't move my
head for shit and get inside and and, you know, put on the
pressure properly. I think it's more of a war.
But he also fought a guy that was substantially shorter than
him. And and again, the last one I
thought I got robbed. Everything went well for him.
But regardless, it was a tough fight.
And I think up to par he will be able to beat some people.
I just don't believe that right now.
He could be champion. But dude, he did his first camp
in, was it Bali? His first camp and the first
fight with me cut me up. So the second fight he didn't
cut me but he made it a war and survived.
Every single time I took him down he got up no problem.
So I believe he'll do well. Look at Sean Sugar, Sean
O'Malley. Not much of A jiu jitsu grappler
but he's able to strike and bang.
We'll see how he does against Rob.
It's literally the same type of matchup.
That's the next title fight at 1:35, right?
How do you think that goes Rob versus Sean O'Malley?
I don't know and the reason why I say is because the later the
fight goes mop, you know, it's a 5 round fight.
He's him and I are stylistically very similar.
It's we're built for that. But for Sugar, he he's he's able
to strike really, really well. And especially if you look at
even just the, the training footage of of patchy versus
Mirab, you know, sparring in the garage, like Patchy's not a
striker like that, but he's hitting Mirab every once in a
while. And it's like, you know, Sugar,
Sean O'Malley, he's going to throw bombs and he keeps his
distance very, very well. And he also uses length very
well where he stays in position. He doesn't overextend and oh,
cool. Like he's going to be, I think
what was the green haired guy's name that he fought where he
just pieced them up for five rounds or no, for three rounds
almost. And he never went out of out of
pocket. He stayed in his distance, he
stayed in his own, he moved around and he did well.
I think he's going to do the same thing to Marab.
Just can Marab take those shots? I honestly don't know.
And I'm going to lean towards you, O'Malley.
But I'd love to see a small guy racing, you know, reign supreme.
Man with with Marab's motor and his forward pressure, you really
think he's not going to be able to take Sean down?
I'm not saying he won't be able to take him down, but can he
hold him down 'cause Marab again, isn't the best at pretty
much anything. And I'm not at all like putting
shame on him. Like he's a very good fighter,
but he's been put in those positions.
Look at against Ricky Simone, like he's not the best of jiu
jitsu, but he got stuck in the gate scene and eventually he
just fights, dude. He just doesn't give up.
And so literally you have to put him out.
You know, sugar, Shawn does have jiu jitsu.
He's been doing jiu jitsu competitions as well, so as long
as keeping the distance and also, you know, being able to
set a submissions, I think sugar just has the advantage.
But Marab is easily the best at conditioning.
And I know from experience, like do I have tapped out Maraba a
couple times? I'm like, OK, cool, but he just
won't fucking stop. He's like, OK, let's go.
And you're just like, damn, I kind of I already gave him my
all and then now you're just on the floor getting beat up.
You know, some Rob is a gas tank.
He just pushes, pushes, pushes. But if he can't get the the
correct pressure and and keep his distance properly or for me
like again the same example my last fight move his head, then I
think he's going to get pieced up.
And what is Shawn's power that special at 1:35?
It's it's not that it's that special is that he's long.
You know, look at Jon Jones. Jon Jones isn't a knockout
artist, but when he can keep you at distance, dude, it sucks.
It's the same thing with, you know, sugar, Sean O'Malley.
He's not a knockout artist. But when he stays at distance,
Eddie Wineland, there's a couple other people he's knocked out
where it's just once he's at his full length, if he gets his arm
fully extended or his kicks fully extended.
And he's also very awkward at his kicks.
Dude, he can knock you out. But if you, I guess, rush him
like Morab will do, that's a whole different thing.
But I think, you know, Sean O'Malley again, is good at
keeping his distance and keeping his control.
So between even like you brought up Morab when he is going
against Patchy, what do you think that echelon is the top
130 fivers in the world right now between say Sugar, Sean,
Patchy and Morab? Patchy, patchy.
Easy because the few funny thing is so when Patchy was getting
ready for Raffian's stats, Raffian's a good friend of mine
and I was just like, well, I got to get ready for my fight.
My opponent 6 feet tall, Apache 6 feet tall.
And I'm going Apache. And coincide, Bellator is there
filming and the cameras are all in our face and we're having,
you know, fun. And I've already spotted Apache
3-4 days already and we're having fun.
And I don't know where he's like, hey, can you take a couple
shots at me? I think Rafael is going to, you
know, shoot on me. I was like, yeah, sure, why not?
Their problem was I'm not much of A shooter.
I like more judo where I get to grapple and then I get to toss
you or trip you, sweep you. But I'm like, God, let me shoot.
I ended up just, he kept good distance control one day and I
decided to take a super like predictable shot.
The only problem it was also to his open side, the Curtis
Blades, Derrick Lewis, where you shoot to your open side.
There's the uppercut, the knee, the kick, stuff like that.
He threw up his knee, the same one he knocked out Rafael SaaS
with. And all I remember was getting
hit by the knee and then just on my butt.
I don't remember the fall, like the fall or anything.
I just remember getting hit and the being on my butt and when I
hit the floor. I kind of did one of those like
you ever push a toddler and he falls in his butt?
Like I fell my butt and looked up.
I was like, oh, I got dropped and I just kept on going and
patchy is like, dude, you OK? I'm like, I'm fine, like good
knee. But then I look to my left and
you just see the camera like staring straight at us.
I'm like, hey man, do you mind telling your promotion not to
put that on the the highlights, please, because I got my title
fight coming up. Hachi is a phenomenal fighter
and he doesn't hit hard, but he'll outwork you, especially on
the ground. I think it was his last fight
against the Russian Miguel Madoff.
Dude, he once he gets you in a position, if he wants to tap you
out or break something, he will like Patchy is one of the most
competitive guys I know. Like he's in a sense the Kobe
Bryant of MMA. Like this guy wants to be in the
gym, he wants to work. He'll be there before you, he'll
be there after you. He's stretching, he's doing
technique. Like he's very spiritual with
his stuff. Like he needs the work and he
has only his group of guys that he goes with.
And lucky enough I'm, you know, I guess good enough to be one of
those. But dude, Patchy will.
I think he would have a hard time with Sean O'Malley because
of the length, but I think once he grabs him, dude, it, it's
over. And look at Sergio Pettis.
Sergio Pettis is a black belt too.
Like I've rolled with Sergio. Sergio is good, man.
He's a very good guy on the ground.
But Patchy's just a whole different level.
And I say that from experience as well.
And you don't think he would get caught in a situation like Algo
did? I don't think so because Patchy
doesn't shoot. That's the biggest difference
between Algo and I've seen. I let me rephrase that.
I haven't seen Algo and Patchy go but I know they go with each
other and Patchy goes all the time.
Like he he loves the high level stuff and I see Patchy tapping
out welterweights like and just randomly rolling with guys.
He doesn't care. Patchy.
He looks so big. Dude dude I have no clow he
makes way and he doesn't water load like he just all right cool
I'm cutting weight and just starts bringing his weight down
fight week. I have no clue how he makes
weight so I was. Talking to Kai Kamaka about it,
he says he has zero legs. Like he just has no lower body.
No legs, no butt, no legs, no quads.
Which is also like the pro and con because I, you know, most of
the guys I've sparred with one day in my, in my mind that I
believe I'm gonna fight. You know, that's just how I
would love to fight Patch. I'd love to fight Sergio, all
these guys. And like the whole Bellator
Grand Prix when they had it, like I used to train with all
those guys. So I'm like, I would love to
fight any of them because I know they're tough guys.
It's it's more of an honor thing than like, oh, I can be him or
I've had good days, whatever. Patchy.
His biggest weakness is late kicks.
And I remember I just started calf kicking him, calf kicking
him. And there's some days he
couldn't walk, but he again, like Kobe Bryant, this mother
fucker learns from his mistakes. And now he started shin blocking
or lifting his leg and started taking, you know, to keep me
away. And I'm just like, damn, he's
listening. Like damn, he's getting better
and he's improving and he improves really, really fast.
And he starts countering that. So the stuff I did to him the
very first few days we sparred, I can't do to him anymore or I
have to set it up that much more.
So he's he's easily, I think one of the best bantamweights and he
should be. And it's not at all putting down
Bellator PFL, but I would love to see him fight, you know, the
top five guys and and the UFC just to be able to say this guy
reigns supreme over all these promotions.
You know, Demetrius Johnson going to ONE FC, he beat
everyone in the UFC until he finally lost that split
decision, which I thought he won and then goes to ONE FC and and
dominates over there. And just shows across the world.
He's the best 120. Five, not just in the West, but
in the east as well, you know, and that's, I think that's
Patchy. You know, Patchy's you look at
and I think Ufcs bantamweight division is stacked.
It's phenomenal guys, But primarily they're all kind of
strikers. I believe.
So at least besides Marab and Al Jermaine, like they're all
pretty much strikers. So when you have patchy, who was
a mixture of both and especially on the ground, like he's good on
the feet, but he has those knees and it's it's scary.
But when you go on the ground with them, dude, it's it's it's
a very, very fearful thing. Like any time I train with
people, I want to go with good people.
Any time I turn Apache, I'm just kind of like, fuck, all right, I
got to work. Like I have to work hard because
if not, I'm going to get tapped out.
And it's funny because every day we do row, he gets me at least
once once a day and no more than that, no less that he always
gets me once. I'm like you mother fucker, God
damn it, you know, like it could be the last 10 seconds and
somehow he'll catch it. But patches he's of, I'm telling
you, if if I had to put my money on somebody, it'd be patchy.
If there was a March Madness of MMA for the bandwidth division,
for all the promotions, it'd be patchy.
I I wouldn't have any doubt about it.
That's exciting. The only the only flaw that I
think patchy has in his and he's grown so much on it and I know
from experience because ice trim horn toiletta is his mindset.
It can either work great for him, which he usually does, or
just like most fighters, we have an ego, you know, and they can
come back to bite us. When he fought Horn on Giletta,
he was still very young, still very green when it comes to
being on the back end of a fight.
And he, I wouldn't say got pieced apart, but he got in a
sense played with words like, oh, we're just, it's kind of
like the boxer versus MMA fighter going to a boxing fight.
You're going to lose his boxing match.
And that's what happened in that bout.
But after that, people try to do the same thing.
I know I did the same thing and I was fine.
And then again, he started learning and learn how to
swallow his ego. And I think that's the biggest
thing for Patchy. It's once he learns how to
swallow his ego and use it to his benefit, then then it's kind
like in that Hornet cholera fight.
Dude, he's a very, very dangerous guy.
I would love to see that just for to find out really who's the
best in the world. I am, I'm telling you like
there's almost. I've trained with majority of
the high level guys at bantamweight as well.
Like Patchy is easily the hardest and scariest guy to go.
With because is there any other weight division where outside of
the UFC there's a guy that could compete with the belt holder of
the UFC? That one, I don't know.
I mean, I guess one, you know, ONE has some high level guys
Adriana Morris would have been good for.
But that's at bantamweight because again, their divisions
over there for ONE FC is they're 10 lbs higher.
So you'd like, for example, Jared Brooks is the strawweight
champion. That's 125 over there. 135 is
flyweight, so it goes up every 10 lbs.
But I think Adriana Morris would do well in his prime.
Not anymore. If you look at some of the
fighters that were released by the UFC doing really well or
even struggling overseas, John Lennaker, you know, I think
finally became champion but inevitably lost.
Gerard Brooks, you know, finally became champion myself, a part
of Brave demise. Johnson, a part of One FC.
Ali Baba was enough part of whatever Russian promotion at
the time and then was on his way to be the flyweight champion for
Brave, you know, so it's there's a lot of the guys that were
released by the UFC that are not dominating other promotions when
you would think it would be otherwise.
What about have you been seeing anything that's happening with
Elliot du Poria and Max Holloway?
I just know that they're talking smack, but that's about it.
Is that fight ever going to get booked?
I mean that that's supposed to be the next featherweight
championship fight, right? That's the hard part is you have
Volkenowski who's been, I think not just a dominant
featherweight champion, but also a company man.
So when he's bumping up and losing that lightweight, it's
like, dude, he's still the champion.
Yeah, cool he lost, but give him a rematch.
Like he's done everything UFC is pretty much asked for,
especially the last minute fight against Islam.
Like anyone 5 rounds at them for a last minute bout.
Given sure, he got knocked out the next fight and maybe he
might not be in his prime, but prove it.
He's not his prime. Let him go out on his shield.
He's done everything UFC has wanted.
He's been the the company man, have him get knocked out or lose
again to Elia Tempura and then make those other fights.
Max Holloway will always be there.
So he's he's the baddest motherfucker on the planet.
You know, just like he's always going to be there.
Max could, you know, fight for the featherweight belt or bump
back up to to 155 and have fun there.
But I I believe the fight will happen, but I would love to see
Volkanowski first. I just think, respectfully,
that's that's not just earned, but deserved.
Right. Yeah, I definitely respect that.
It's just Max has been the number one contender for what,
how long now it feels like. Sure, probably.
Three years almost now. Yeah, Max, Max has been the the
gatekeeper, right? You know, sadly, you know, and I
I don't see that. And again, in this book, sounds
like he's beat everyone. Even when he was champion on his
way up he beat everyone and then he fought Volkanowski.
Well, you think about it those first I thought Max won the 1st.
One I thought. I thought he won the 1st.
I thought he won the second one even more convincingly.
That's when he dropped them in. The first round, I know.
I thought he won the first one. I can't remember the second one,
but I know the third one. He definitely lost that one, you
know? So the fact was the fights were
very, very good. Again, judges and I have
obviously had that problem my last fight where they can go
either way. But Volkanowski after that
showed how dominant he was, just like Max Holloway.
And when you have Max, like he's now one of the richest guys in
UFC, like he can just fight. He might not be the champion,
but he has a belt, you know he can fight.
What would be your old a year? He could fight Poirier again.
I would love to see him. I would love to see him fight
Poirier again for the baddest motherfucker.
Like Poirier has nothing else to do.
Like he's not going to get a title fight anytime soon.
He's not going to bump up the 170 to get a title.
He's not old, but he's also not young.
Dude, you're it's the Nate Diaz Mazzaro.
Like you guys are so popular now you can just make fights.
Like as long as you call out another one just as popular as
you or you know, give or take, like just fight.
Looking at Anthony Pettis, no offense to Pettis and I love
him, but he's nowhere near what he used to be back in the day
and him losing to a no name Avila.
And again, no disrespect to Avila yesterday, but now you
know who Avila is. You know he beat Pettis in a
boxing match. And that was probably one of
Pettis highest paydays of his career.
Exactly so and that's Pettis being super smart and using his
name, using his name has a promotion APFC using his name
and doing other things business wise.
So this is the point where I think all of us fighters want to
get to if we can't get to the belt or we already have the belt
and then lost it, dude, use your name for other business
ventures. Cause at the end of the day,
like we talked about our different careers where it's
like once it's over, like it's probably over.
So let's enjoy this as much as we can, but also it's not to
just show how great I am, it's also to make as much money as
possible before a career is over.
Like as much as I'd love to be champion and this and that, if
you told me, hey, I'm going to make 10,000 to be champion, but
I can make 200,000 to go fight some influencer in boxing, I'm
going to go do that, you know, because I'm going to make more
money. This I can still probably lose,
you know, and it doesn't work on my way.
Now I also lost 200. This is a more guarantee thing,
you know, so make as much money as possible.
So I think that's what Poirier should do and I think him
playing Max Holloway again, even though very, very tough fight,
dude, just raise your stock. Why not?
You know, and I kind of wonder that because of how I want to
take it back a little bit, but that first and 2nd Holloway and
Vulcanovsky fight, the third fight, how that looked right
when he got dominated by Volk. Ever since, Max Holloway has
been crazy dominant, right? He knocked out Korean Zombie,
knocked out Justin Gagey. It makes me almost think
something was wrong going to that third fight.
The hardest thing is, and I know now at least my trilogy is that
we all have a bad day. Like my second fight with him, I
was very egotistical again for you, you believe he won the 1st
and second fight. Maybe Max thought the same thing
and he was like alright, cool, I'm going to win this third one.
I'm just going to pick it up a little more and maybe it worked
to his, his disadvantage. You know, for me, after my first
fight, I'm like, it wasn't as hard as I thought.
Let me go into the second one. I'm not going to train as hard.
I'm not going to take it as seriously.
He doesn't hit that hard, but I'm still eating shots and now
I'm bleeding on this side. OK, Damn, I'm bleeding.
Let's not panic. Oh, I'm bleeding on this side.
Oh, I can't see it all. I got retired from the fight,
you know, So the hard thing is you don't know what his mindset
is. But the fact, the fact, the fact
of the matter is no matter what, you have a bad day in your
office. I mean, you've been, no matter
if it's work, training, whatever the case may be, like we all
have a bad day and that could just be under the lights.
Just happens you're in your underwear in front of thousands
of people. Or Derrick Lewis and your balls
are hot and you make a lot of money off of it.
So, you know, like it's, it's part of the process where that's
the most exciting, but also saddest thing about our sport.
We can have the best training camp in the world and then go on
the the lights for five to 25 minutes and just not show up
now. And it's it is 100%.
And Max also taking off his thing in Joe Rogan podcast, like
he talked about this top ten guys, top five guys, top three
guys champion. They're all the same.
Yeah, some guys are maybe stronger, faster, better, more
skillful, more talented, but it's all here.
Like, dude, I know Jillian Robertson really well.
She, you know, dominated Michelle Watterson, you know,
and Michelle Watterson I believe for sure is way easily the more
she's the better talented athlete, skillfully being born
and all the way coming up and just I think even in the end of
her career a better fighter. But Jillian Robertson showed the
opposite. She goes, cool, I'm more of a
jiu jitsu girl wrestler. Cool.
I can scrap here and there. But my mind said I as I'm going
to do this, this, this, this, this.
And she worked her ass off to get to that point, you know,
like she I do, I'm telling you, like we used to play catch and
just randomly themselves play basketball.
She's easily one of the most least talented people I've ever
met. But inside the cage, they can do
it. So I think it's just a mindset
and it's it's 100% how you think about yourself when you get into
that point. Want to talk a little bit about
your podcast. So how did that start to come
about? I talk a lot, people want to
take advantage of it, and I'm here, he goes.
It's one of those things where I've always wanted to do a
podcast. My manager also manages Brendan
Schaub and dude one he makes a fuck ton of money like doing
podcasts we get. So much hate in dude.
No sense. Regardless, I don't care like I
used to. Again, I used to talk to Tyron
Woodley as well. I'm like, dude, no offense.
This Before Kumar Woosman, I was like, no offense.
Yeah, your fights are kind of, you know, boring to me.
You know, he goes, I'm the champion, right?
I was like, uh huh. He goes, I do.
I got the belt. I was like, uh huh.
He I was like, do do I get paid championship money?
I was like, well, yeah, probably.
He goes, I don't give a fuck what you think.
I'll, I'll, I'll take it in a little bit, but I don't care,
dude. Brendan Schaub, I know no matter
what people say, like, yeah, he wants, he's a entertainer, but
no matter what, you're gonna watch it.
Floyd Mayweather fighting, you're gonna watch him lose or
you're gonna watch him win. Like no matter what, you're
gonna watch him fight. So for Brendan Schaub, being
able to do all the things he's doing, comedy specials, all the
different types of shows, no matter what, it's like he gets,
dude. It's usually because the haters
can't get to this point, and I'm one of them, Dude, I talk so
much shit about him. It's phenomenal.
But it's like, I should get paid for all the shit I talk about
him. But he he's getting paid for it.
There are people that get paid to talk shit about it seems
like. Somebody call me, but dude, he's
he's doing it. So I can't talk any smack.
It's like no matter what, at the end of the day, like I can
criticize all the things, but I'm one opinion versus all the
money he's making from all these people who actually really do
enjoy them. So no matter what I think or
what other other people think, all these other people are
giving the money to do what he does best and look at them.
So for me. Just to be clear, I love the
content. So fuck yeah.
But now for me, man, like I speak well, I used to acting,
modeling as a kid. Like I, I, I'm good on camera.
I believe I'm well on camera. So I just want to have fun, you
know, I commentate, I do all these random things.
I'm always, you know, Co host or guests on people shows.
So I had every guy who does a podcast for me.
I was like, hey, if it's a big platform, if you guys are
looking for extras of about doing sideshows or whatever,
like I'd love to be on it. I used to be on mmafighting.com
show every Wednesday with Jose Young and just have fun and do
whatever, interview fighters and just have some fun.
If it works out and I get paid, amazing.
If I don't, then let's see where it goes.
So for me talk to Luke Kelly from MMA Unhinged and they're
like, yeah, we're actually looking to partner up with
somebody, do another show that can talk more about fighting who
was a fighter and just have some fun.
And and me, I just we kind of do have a a system of a down type
of show where it's like random bullshit, like fun, you know,
crazy stuff. The real point back to random
bullshit. And we like to just have fun and
then have a good time. So we don't want to make this
like a like a job interview. We just want to talk, dude.
And then let's get to the point and then let's have fun again.
How? Long have you guys been doing
the pod now? I think we're on episode 9.
So we're slowly but surely getting there.
There's about two episodes every week that we've been, you know,
kind of putting together. We put out one a week.
And you just as you know, sometimes you miss a week, stuff
like that. We have stuff, you know, stored
up. But you know, we're having fun.
We had Alex Pelizion not too long ago.
So that was that was actually our last episode.
So that was fun. And then we had Augie, which you
know, pretty well on the show, which was like the best, worst
interview possible because the Jackass decided to like drive
somewhere in Missouri. He's like, oh, dude, I got this
podcast. He does it and it's an hour.
So he's doing it for like 20 minutes.
And then just, it starts this coincidentally, it starts
storming outside like thunderstorming and but he's
outside because it was too loud inside the house.
And we're like, OK, then his Internet kept on fucking up
because of the storm. And then he gets in a car and
just drive and I'm like, I'm like, dude, like you didn't set
out like an hour yo of your day for this.
And I'm like, where you going? He goes, oh, Texas Roadhouse.
I was like, what the fuck? And then he has people in the
car who are talking who don't give a fuck that he's on this
interview, you know, and they're just talking and saying
whatever. We're just like, what are these
guys talking about? They're just, you know, just
doing whatever hooligan stuff. And then they get to Texas
Roadhouse. He's like, I'm going to go
inside and eat a fat steak. So I got to go.
I'm just like, alright, OK, my bad, my bad.
Do you have a good rest of the day?
So it was just, it was one of those like, who the fuck do you
think you are? Like moments, you know?
But no, man, it was, it was definitely a fun experience.
Luke Kelly was like this. That was the most random
interview I've ever done. I was like, yeah, I bet we went
on an adventure, you know? So it was, it was different, but
that's, I mean, you've had interviews where you just don't
know where the hell it's gonna go.
Yeah, we just start. We we started talking about
happy endings. That was the entrance of this
episode. We talked about it like before
we jumped on, right, Yeah. I've been hoping if you guys
produce podcasts now and. I was asking, I swear I thought
you were going to say I was hoping a few guys are happy
endings. Like dude, you got to go to this
spot. This is the spot, dude.
No one knows about it yet. You've never had a Tuggy yet
never had a parlor? Never.
No, no, that's crazy, dude. I've I've heard so many stories.
I've heard. And also I've heard so many
stories of how guys find out they like their butt hole played
with. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now we're going to take A twist. Yeah, yeah.
Like, I know I've heard stories. I'm not going to say fighters,
but it's all, it's all fighters that basically it's all fighters
where they're like, yeah, dude, you know, girls, give me a, you
know, Tuggy, whatever. And they're like, oh, you why
don't you come? Whatever.
And they just stick a finger in the ass and they come and
they're like, oh, I guess I'll look a finger in my ass or
whatever. I'm just like can't do it.
Yeah, it's not for me. Nope.
You. Nope.
I'm like you ever had your oil checked?
Duh, accidentally I I had so I'm a wrestler, so sadly that's
bound to happen. There is, there is this.
It's a prerequisite. Yeah.
This was, I just want to say it's a very raunchy show.
So we just said that at the beginning.
But when I was in high school, I was wrestling and there was a
kid from a school called Hinsdale S who was a deaf kid.
And so when the whistle blew, you had to tap him to go, hey,
the round's over. But the ref needed to know that
most of the time the refs are in a tournament.
They're just going, you know, so they're not really paying
attention. Stuff slips their mind and I'm
wrestling this kid a regional, so very important like match to
get to sectionals in that state. And I'm like, oh, I've beaten
this kid twice already. Whatever I got him.
I'm not worried about it. And I'm winning by like five or
six points. I was like, you know what, last
10 seconds? Let me just shoot, you know, so
I shot in and I'm, you know, here and I'm stalling on
purpose. You know, I'm just like, oh, 10
seconds. I'm about to win this match and
this kids trying to get behind me.
But to stop the the takedown, he's like trying to do the reach
around and then hopefully turn around.
The only problem is this fucking middle finger right right here
went right in and me, he went here, grabbed me.
And I remember you ever see like Greco or freestyle, one of the
things when you get taken down, you're supposed to go flat
because they're trying to pick you up and throw you in
wrestling. You want to be on all fours.
But for me he goes, I went, dude, I was like, I'm done.
You beat me, take a nap. No, but I fucking he went and I
went like literally the highest pitch I can think of and I just
like sprawled out like those Greco freestyle like I got so
confused and I was just like here what the fuck did this is
where it gets fucked up. I got so confused.
I was like I don't know how to
feel. The the fucked up part was he's
deaf. The round just ended so he went
5 seconds passed by this kids fingers in my ass for like 5
seconds and I'm like they're like I'm just like freaking out
and I'm like clenching so hard. I'm pretty sure your ass is
clenched right now but dude I'm clenching so hard.
The round just ended. Like, you hear this kid's finger
is still my ass trying to get around, you know, like, he
doesn't fucking know because he's deaf.
You got to tap him to stop. And the ref is like, all right,
the round's over. The round's over.
And I'm like, he's deaf, He's deaf.
And the lady is like, oh, yeah. And he's like, yeah, I'm just
like just laying there violated, like the lady's raising my hand
while I'm still laying down and shit.
Like it was bad. It was.
And that's what my butthole virginity got taken away that
day. Good times did.
You like it? Oh God no, God no, can never do
it. Have you ever had it in bed or?
You know, what's funny is I had AI had a ex-girlfriend that
years ago messed around with and one of my favorite things with
her was, you know, getting head. So she's like playing with my
balls doing different stuff. And this is already like years
later. And so I'm like, OK, you're
going to obviously learn some stuff years later, whatever, you
know, you can do stuff different.
And she slowly starts like reaching down and I remember
like feeling it. And I'm just like, I appreciate
the enthusiasm. Thank you so much.
But no, that's not for me. Thank you though.
I appreciate it. We'll just do the regular, do
the regular and I'm good and I'm happy, you know, do you regular,
you know, hot to and I'm I'm good.
That's it, That's it. I miss her.
I wonder how she's doing. No.
What do you think about that whole situation?
Can you believe that blew up that big?
The hawk to a girl. Dude, we're dumb.
The yes, yes, I can believe it. How many, how many memes have
come out of not just that, but I mean of really, really dumb
stuff before that? I think this is actually
probably the most like you ever look at some you go, I can see
why that got popular. You got a pretty blonde girl
that's young that goes hot tour on this like streets podcast.
It's like, yeah, no, I can see why they got popular.
With the country accent, yeah. You know, white girl, pretty
blonde Huck Tour and then just walked away like like nothing
happened. Like dude, that's like that's
like a mic drop like that was fucking awesome.
You know, like that one makes sense.
The other ones are usually like dumb or, you know, people doing
dumb shit and they just kind of they make fun of them, but they
somehow make money at the end of it where it's like, all right,
it worked out well with, you know, for them.
But this one, you know, she dude, she's doing well.
She's selling hats and gear and you know.
On the other hand, I didn't think about it till right now.
There's probably a bunch of kids out there right now going hot to
a. Yeah, but that does that's also,
I mean, you're a parent, you know, that's also the parents
job. You know, it's like, dude, you
got your kids on on TikTok or, or whatever social media at five
years old, they're going to follow whatever trend they see.
You know, like if you put them on Blue, watch Blue's Clues or
Teletubbies or whatever show for our generation, they're going to
follow that stuff. But when you have parents, you
know, lend their kids, you know, just grab the phone, run away,
dude. You don't know what they look
through, you know, And that's, that's the hardest part.
See, I think, I think that's a huge point where the parent
obviously has so much accountability there.
I think the only thing that changes it now is there's so
many other kids out there now that their parents don't really
care or not really taking that. I mean, I'm I'm the same way
because my parents, at least at the time, given we didn't have
social media like that, but my parents didn't care.
Like I didn't have a curfew. I came home whenever I could
pretty much have done whatever I wanted for the most part.
But I was also naturally responsible in my own little
way. But my parents would say little
things, but like, just don't bring the cops home.
Don't do this, don't do that. That was actually my #1 rules.
Don't bring the cops home, but don't do certain things and
you're fine and because of these certain guidelines kept me away
from all this other stuff. So when it comes to like TikTok
stuff, especially TikTok because every kid is on it, they want to
be popular. They want to do this Instagram
same way. I mean, how many times for you,
for example, you're just on your Instagram just chilling there
scrolling, you know, and people are walking around behind you.
But when you open up your phone, because Instagram now has post
that people of people, you aren't falling.
They're more like suggestive people that just come up on your
regular feed and dude, some random only fans grow or
whatever the case may be. And you're just like titties on
your screen. But people were walking around
behind you were kids and you're just like, Oh my God.
Like it's happened a lot, at least to me, you know, so.
There was a time where it was happening a bunch, but I feel
like it slowed down a little bit recently, just a little bit.
No, I, I get it. But that's, you know, that's
also. Embarrassing, right?
Yeah, you know, just like, huh, Titty.
Yeah, good stuff, huh? You know, so you just have fun
with it. But you know that I think that's
the the hardest thing given I don't have kids.
So I'm I'm obviously speaking from a general perspective, but
the fact is it's like you wanna be their parent.
Your kids going hawk too. It's like, cool if they seen it,
then you gotta handle it in some sort of way To where, Yeah, but
like, you know, it's again, that's a whole like I'm stepping
in a thin line here, but you have to figure out a different
way to handle it. But it's it's crazy how now,
especially this generation where we can speak our mind and then
we're in trouble, right? You know, even if it is just a
joke and we complete clearly state it's a joke and and then
we're in trouble. This is random.
They look at Dave Chappelle and Katt Williams, dude, they can't
get cancelled because they don't give a fuck.
They're just like, all right, let's have fun with it.
You know, Katt Williams, he's throwing everyone under the bus.
He doesn't care. And Dave Chappelle has no deal
with like Chase or these acting roles.
He's like, I don't care. Like I already left my show for
$50 million. I'm making way more money now,
but I'm doing my own thing compared to and again, no dis
like Kevin Hart, but Kevin Hart can't do that.
He's on that fine line where he's partnered with Chase, doing
every single mover role offered to him.
He's on all these different things to where even little kids
look up to him, you know, So if he does anything bad, it might
be, you know, I think he got banned from the Oscars or for
doing the Oscars once or whatever, Grammy Award.
Like his old like. Yeah, a 10 year old tweet, yeah,
of saying something gay. It's like, dude, that's how we
talked to people 10 years ago. We called people random slurs
like that's just what it was like.
It wasn't. Do you remember that joke from
his stand up? It was like his son was doing
something. He's like, hey, stop that, that
shit gay. Yeah, when the the corduroy they
were rubbing. Up against each other, dude.
My my dad, the reason why I start wrestling, I was a kid
because all my friends and my mom always makes fun of me.
I was like, no, this is daddy's fault.
It just came off to me Is my mom was like, oh, hey, maybe you
should do wrestling because everyone for football is going
to wrestling after the season. Why don't you do it?
You're talented. Why not?
I'm like, let me ask Dad, let me see if he likes it because he
likes combative sports. And he's like, is that the one
where they wear the tights and, you know, the, the underwear and
they just grab each other? I was like, yeah, he was no,
that shit's for faggots. Like that's what it was back in
the day. It wasn't to be like, Oh no,
you're going to be gay. He's like, yeah, that shit's for
faggots. I don't want to see that.
I'm like, OK. And then I was a little parakeet
repeating it to people. I was like, that's gay, that's
gay, that's gay. And then I ended up being a gay
wrestler. So there it goes, yo.
So that I. Came when somebody put their
finger in my ass. Yeah, and then I came in my ass
and I was like, wow, wow, my dad was right, huh?
You know, but the the fact that it's like the whole South Park
wrestlers episode. Have you seen that?
Where like they're all in singlets and they're trying to
do wrestling practice and the coach is like, are you going to
get into referee's position, get an all fours and this kid Tommy,
come here, you know, just put him behind him and he's a grab
here and he's like, what the what the fuck?
What are you doing? He goes on.
I was wrestling position. He goes on.
That's gay. He and yeah, it's it's it's
pretty again. I'm surprised South Park
honestly hasn't been cancelled. But that's but that's also the
reason is when you have when you have someone who's naturally an
asshole, be an asshole. Oh, that's just him.
When you have a nice guy finally one day standing up for himself
and be an asshole, what are you doing?
You're different. You've changed.
You're a bad guy. Yeah, we should cancel you.
It's also like the people that are like virtue signaling and
like trying to be known as the good person or like trying to
benefit from their good acts. A lot of those people, when they
finally get brought to light that they do some raunchy or
stuff or some bad stuff, then they get set on fire for it.
Well, that's, that's, I mean, obviously, sadly, that's life
where people were they're insecure or whatever issue,
whether it's themselves, whether it's the stuff they do, they're
afraid to get judged by. Dude, just be yourself.
Like no matter what, I think I'm a huge fan of logic where he's
like, dude, no matter what, there's going to be someone who
does what you do or likes what you like and whatever the case
may be, you know, so like, I'm not a druggie, but dude, I know
a lot of people in Vegas who do drugs, you know, like that's
just you go hang out with them. You know, I'm not going to do
drugs You Hey, you can offer it to me, but if I do it, awesome.
If I don't, I'm good, you know, so it's, it's effective.
Dude, just be yourself and and no matter what, especially as a
fighters, there's going to be someone who dislikes you.
There's going to be someone who dislikes something about you or
has something to say the negative to say about you.
That's natural. Dude, just do you like if what's
what's the quote? It's like birds are always going
to fly over your head, but if you let it build a head in your
nest, like that's that's your problem, you know, or nest in
your head, like that's that's your problem.
So it's the fact is you got to deal with your own stuff and you
got to become true yourself. Cool, I like this stuff for the
guys. I'm not a fan of the finger of
the butt, but do you like finger in the butt?
You do you. You know I'm not going to do it.
So that's it. Do you think Alex Paddock can
become a three weight champion in the UFC?
With Jon Jones as the heavyweight champion.
Now, if it's somebody else, sure, but with Jon Jones, no, I
think especially in boxing, you know, you look at all these
multiple weight class champions, some of them don't bump up
because there's a certain someone at the table in front of
them, you know, holding the belt.
If they decide screw it, I'm going to just bump up and fight
whoever and still win, dude, good for you.
But Roy Jones Junior bumping up the heavyweight and winning
stylistically, which is a very good matchup.
You know, you look at Canelo when he was trying to bump up
and then he fought Bevo, like Bevo beat the fuck out of him.
That's a whole different type of fight.
And he's like, yeah, no, I'm not going to bump back up.
He talks about fighting Bevo again, but and it's been
offered, but he hasn't fought them for a reason because he's
like, yeah, I don't want to lose again.
Let me fight these other guys, keep on building my career.
Once Bevo bumps up or does something else, then I'll bump
up and try to fight that belt, you know, because Bevo's not
there, you know. So I think Alex Piero could beat
some of these guys. Tom Aspinall I think he could
beat just because Tom wants to stand and bang and have a, you
know, more of a stand up type of fight, you know, you know, he's
from the UK. Good old fisty cuffs then.
Cool, awesome. But if it's Jon Jones or Curtis
Blaze now, fuck that. They're smart.
They're going to take him down. So what do you think would be
the smart move for Alex next to just stay at light heavyweight
and continue to dominate AT2O5? Convinced Dana White to make the
baddest motherfucker belt, but at a, you know, heavyweight
class. You know, I think honestly for
him pumping up, he could do it, but it's like Jon Jones, like
you do, you can do it, but you also got really fat.
Like you also got out of shape. You also got different out of
shape. You know, like you're in shape,
but you're not in shape because you got this beer belly, but you
look awkward and you fought a guy in serial gain who has no
wrestling stylistically was the perfect matchup for you.
If you fought a guy like Curtis Blades, that's a really hard
fight because Curtis is known to drop people, to knock people out
and also really, really wrestle. You know, you look at Daniel
Cormier versus Stipe, like stylistically it was a good
fight until Stipe figured him out and knew he didn't block the
body and then he got beat up and knocked out.
But Daniel Cormier wasn't trying to fight every single guy at the
heavyweight division. He was trying to fight a certain
people, win the fan and get the fuck out of there.
You know, it just wasn't safe for him.
So I think Alex is good at like heavyweight and we'll see where
it goes from there. But I can tell you this and just
like the Brendan Schaub thing, as much as I want to hate on
Alex and like, dude, you have no wrestling or you don't have
this. He's knocking people out like
he's still doing the job and he's entertaining as fuck
because he doesn't speak. He's like that one black guy
that does this all the time and doesn't speak.
Like good for him, you know? So Alex's he's he's a spectacle
because it was a third fight. He's fighting for a title, wins,
defends, all that stuff, bumps up, wins, defends like dude,
good for him. You know, it's, it's especially
being older and later in your career and being able to do that
now. Good for you.
I mean, especially like I'm thinking about it even at two O
5, Jon Jones and his prime, at two O 5 Alex Pieta, who wins
that fight? Jon Jones and anything, anything
with again, there's matchups, him fighting, Alex fighting
Israel, Asania, great matchup. It literally was a kickboxing
fight all over again. Whatever happened in Glory was
happening in there and it happened in that first fight.
But when you have him fighting an actual wrestler that's a or
grappler, like that's a whole different, you know, type of
fight for him. He's not used to that.
I don't think he's ever really fought a true grappler.
Like there's no Khabib at, you know, light heavyweight.
And given there's a lot more at the heavyweight division like
Curtis Blades, again, shout out to him because I'm super excited
for his next fight. But in general, I think 1 John
Jones will never make light heavyweight again, that's for
sure. Because he gained so much weight
is ridiculous. And plus he did like a whole
year of just trying to focus on gaining weight properly.
There's no way he's going to make light heavyweight again.
That's. The thing, though, didn't look
like he gained that weight very properly.
Kind of yes and no. Like he, he's kind of like, he's
kind of like that bodybuilder offseason.
Like that's his body type right now where he's, he's big.
But you, you, you balked a lot, you know, and you forgot the
cutting process. What did he came out at 2:50 was
it? And that's and that's the thing,
because you can't make the weight doesn't mean you should
again, against serial gain great match for him no matter what.
I think even if he was at 2:20, I think he would have won the
fight. But the fact was or the fact is
that like he gained so much muscle in the process.
Plus having all that fat, like you start trying to lose that
weight, unless you do it properly and like super
scientifically, you're going to put that fat into muscle and
muscle is also body weight as well.
That's going to add pounds. So I don't see him going back
down to light heavyweight, given it wasn't an easy process for
him, but it also it was hard, but not the hardest.
But now trying to make it again, like there, what's the point to
fight these really, really more athletic fighters that are going
to move into all that stuff. Now let me fight these big
heavyweights that might stand in front of me and let me take them
down. What's the interesting thing
about Polaton to me is on Fight Night he was 2:30.
What was it, 236 or something? He's a dude.
He's a, he's a big guy. Like I'm trying to think I gain
about 20 lbs naturally, you know, and that's at a flyweight
slash bantamweight. So 20 lbs one 35155 Fight Night.
That's that's a big difference. You have light heavyweight dude
just times it by two realistically or even by maybe
30 lbs. Like you gain 30 lbs that cut
that fast. That's honestly very, very easy
to do. So I mean he could come in with
no cut 240. Yeah, I don't.
I don't see why not. Again, like he can just walk in.
The good thing for him is he wouldn't have to cut weight.
The only bad thing is now he has to fight Jon Jones.
And Jon, I think would stand in bang with him for a little bit
until he does get hit and he's like, yeah, now fuck this, I'm
taking you down. So I don't think it'd be as
entertaining as what people say it would be.
That's interesting. Like, I would still love to see
Jon Jones versus Nganu. Like, that for sure
stylistically is a good match up because Nganu's strong as shit.
Like, yeah, you might be all maybe a serial game versus, you
know, Nganu is kind of very similar.
But in Ghana, dude, if you get hit once, like you're getting
hurt. And Francis, with the torn ACL,
took down and held down. Gone.
No, no problem. Yeah, but it's a little bit of a
wrestler versus a non wrestler. Like even that little bit of
knowledge held, you know, held him down.
But when you have Jon Jones, who is a, you know, national junior
college, All American and champion, you know, take you
down, you're probably going to stay down.
Or if you take him down, he's going to get up no problem and
they'll reverse you. Plus, Jon Jones has jiu jitsu.
He's not. He's tapped about people, you
know, I think he tapped out Vitor Belfort, you know, so
he's, he put Lyoto Machida to sleep, you know, so he has his
fair share of submissions, but he's just also super long.
So I think him versus Jon Jones and I, I stopped talking about
it when it was still very popular.
I think Jon Jones would just dominate, especially with the
wrestling. Do you think Jon Jones is the
greatest of all time? I'm biased because I love
Dimitri Johnson and I think the way DJ handled everyone and now
still handling people in one FC like it's he's a phenomenal,
phenomenal athlete. Like who does a flying arm bar,
you know, an arm bar suplex or excuse me, suplex to an arm bar
like no one does that. Ray Borg is a damn good fighter.
You know, so he tapped out Kyoji, I believe with the one
second left in the fifth round. And given Kyoji was younger, but
still, Kyoji hits hard, man. He's super, super fast,
especially when he was younger. So all these guys that DJ beat,
yeah, they might not be as known as some of the guys that Jon
Jones's beat, Loretta, Machida, stuff like that.
But they also weren't reputable because UFC didn't make them
reputable. This is why the flyweights were
slowly being cut. If they're in ONE FC like like
Adriana Morris is now, like do people know them out there?
They're superstars here. Pantoja didn't get, I think
Pantoja had 20. No, he had 18,000 followers
before he won the belt. Think about that.
Pantoja already had 11 fights in UFC because UFC doesn't promote
the small guys. And it's it's it's just it's
part of the process. DJ promoted himself and that's
why he got so popular. But it's crazy.
I mean, even think about The Ultimate Fighter this season, I
haven't thought about it more than once, maybe.
Yeah, and it was literally, I think the only time they had a
season. Isn't it going on right now?
Well. Look at The Ultimate Fighter
when it was the flyweights. It was literally a season.
The Champions, you know, and that was, I think, a popular
one. But given I was watching it, so
it's different. I was also training with Tim
Elliott, you know, Eric Shelton and a bunch of the other guys
from the show, Joseph Benavidez, stuff like that.
But after that, like, no one really promoted it.
Once Henry Cejudo won, like he defended it and it just bumped
up. So what else did we have?
Like, yeah, I think the Brandon Moreno Figueredo fight was
great. And it was, it's kind of like
Manny Pacquiao versus Marquez. Yeah, too much of a good thing
so slowly turned into a bad thing.
Like there is such a thing as that.
So they had four fights for a reason, because that's all the
flyweights were able to be marketable for.
Look at Pantoja now. His last title defense was
against the number 10 guy when you had Muhammad Mokayev, who
was clearly ready and asking for and he was #3 Why don't you give
it to Muhammad Mokayev? Oh, 'cause his last fight he
fought Alex Perez and won by decision.
But Steve, I can't remember his name.
No, just disrespect to him is he had a knockout, you know,
against another flyaway. And that's why because they can
promote that one knockout and have him fight for the title
because they want to make the whole Trump.
They want to make the whole flight division great again.
Like I get it. But I'm a, I'm a big ranking
system and that's why I'm excited to see Man O Cape versus
Mohammed Wilkie of whoever wins 100% should get the title.
But until then, I, I don't know if they're going to do a whole
flyweight demise again, business wise, it makes sense if they
did, cuz I mean, now they're having main events.
I mean, they had Pantoja's the main event in Brazil.
I believe they had another main event sometime before that in
the apex, but Alex Perez's main event twice, once against
Japanese guy and I can't remember the one before that or
against Mataosh Nikolao. But you know, it's, is it, I
guess crowd drawing, you know, and that's why they've been at
the apex or smaller events. You know, I I haven't seen a
main event here in the States besides Brandon Moreno and
Figueredo. Talking about smaller events,
the complete opposite. Probably the UF CS biggest event
ever coming up at the sphere. Are you going to be a part of
that event? I will be I'm going to be
cornering La Z boy. So Luis Ronaldo Rodriguez
finally got his fight offer against all day.
I can't remember his last name, so I apologize.
But all day of Odie Osborne. Yeah, there you go.
Odie Osborne was going to be a firefighter.
Was it the the Jamaican sensation, you know, as a
phenomenal fighter? I believe they sparred before.
I don't I'm not going to give any insight on that because
that's their own little thing. But just to be able to be in the
corner and also be able to experience the spirit.
Like, I mean, we're we're Vegas locals now, like we just going
around here. It's like, dude, that spear is
shining every single minute of the day.
I can just imagine now the inside, you know, so I'm excited
to see how it plays out, but also kind of ready to be like,
how is how is this going to work?
You know, because I don't know how the seats are, you know,
stationed at the spear. I don't know if it's, you know,
the UFC is going to be, you know, the cage is going to be on
one side, the cage is going to be in the middle or again, every
arena is very, very different. But dude, to be able to have the
1st event especially for what's the event called Nocha something
I can't remember. You see, Nocha?
Yeah, you'll see, Nocha. So you know, to have all these
Mexican fighters on it, like I was part of UFC Mexico for LA Z
Boy, dude, that kid gained half a million followers from one
event from one fight, his debut. And and it's also like me hating
on it a little bit. This is 100% I'm hating.
I hate on one of my fighters. Technically, dude, this guy had
one fight and he was the second fight of the night.
So he was the UFC Fight Pass prelim or ESP plus prelim?
Let the people know how that fight went though.
So it, it was, it was like for him, it's a storybook like
Disney type of you ever see the Cubs versus the, you know,
against Cleveland when they finally won the World Series, it
was kind of like that, that last game where it was like, I'm
winning, no, you're winning, I'm winning.
And it's just like that. It was back and forth.
And so for lazy boy, he had this four month camp to cut down the
flyway because UFC told him like, Hey, you're caught
bantamweight, but we want you to fly away.
We're not going to take you any other weight class.
And he hasn't cut weight to that point in like 3 years.
So it's like, all right, I guess we're doing it.
Dude. He did a crazy camps where even
I was talking to the coaches like dude, I I got my Kate
weight cutting trauma. So I'm like, I don't think he's
going to make weight. Like I'm nervous for him.
But the drive that he had, once you get to a certain point, and
I don't know if you've ever cut weight, but once you get to a
certain point, like you want to give up, you think of every
horrible situation. The anxiety goes through the
roof. That never happened to him.
Like he just kept pushing and pushing and pushing.
People could eat in front of him.
I actually gained weight when he was cutting weight.
That fucker. He's that type of weight cut
that makes you eat everything he wants.
So I eat everything 'cause we're in Mexico.
But he just, dude, he was so motivated.
Like he's like song again, all right, let's go.
And he was just no hesitation, dude.
We bitch about a lot of things as fighters.
He's just like, I got to do it, don't I?
All right, let's go. And he would just get in there
and do it. But the fight we get out there,
obviously he's nervous, but he's wearing a sombrero walking out
UFC, Mexico, his country, everyone, you know, just going
at it and like, I'm filming behind them while walking out.
And he's just like just dude, he's having a blast.
Like he, it's like a kid going to Disney World, like he's
having a blast. And he gets in there and you can
tell he's timid and he he fights like I do or like you kind of
have to take a good shot or two to wake up and be like, Oh yeah,
I'm gonna fight. And he's also very Mexican.
So he's like, come on, I wanna like, I wanna see what the the
best you have. And the Ukrainian was a good
fighter, you know, and lazy was very timid with the strikes here
and they're very nervous. The lights are on.
UFC Mexico is huge and you have everyone chaining Mexico, you
know. So like it's there.
There was a fight in the crowd during the fights.
Like that's how crazy in Mexico is.
And and the security didn't even stop it.
Security is like, yeah, no, fucked up.
But he goes in there and I'm like, dude, you got to put your
left hand up, Put your left hand up.
And I don't know where he didn't put his left hand up and got a
drop of the right hand and a good like clean flash, like
knocked down. And he gets dropped, gets taken
down and he's scrambling back and forth and like, oh, shit.
Like he might lose his fight. And it's not because this guy's
better than him. It's just because it's in his
head. We get him to the corner after
the first round and we kind of like put it out.
And I'm like, dude, like you're way better than this.
You hear all the people like they're screaming your name.
They're screaming Mexico, all this stuff like you used to sell
jello on the streets, like he used to walk around in the
middle of the aisles, you know, of in traffic and just try to
sell jello and and different, you know, condiments, whatever
you can buy, you know, bread or whatever the case may be.
And that was his living, you know, and then for him to be
able to be housed and and fight and train and eventually be
signed up and manage and be taking care of them, getting
this notice. Dude, he comes back in the
second round. He was like, dude, like punch
like you have to be active and he starts throwing haymakers,
starts throwing that kicks from hell.
Like it was phenomenal. And eventually the guy falls.
I wouldn't I don't know if he got dropped, but he falls.
Lazy takes him down, scrambles and takes his back.
And you can tell the guy was already kind of looking for a
way out because Lazy was hitting him hard.
He was like, I'd rather stand on the ground than possibly even
block these shots, but they still hurt.
It was kind of kind of, it's kind of like Canelo when the guy
has his hands up and Canelo's like punching his shoulders to
slowly get his arm to drop because the guy's shoulders like
swelling up. That's what Lazy was doing.
And he was hitting him as hard as he possibly could.
And he just, you know, took the guys back, put in the hooks and
just put in the room naked choke and just start arching.
And literally I think of the last two seconds of the second
round, he got the finish. And dude, Mexico, like that's
how it felt. Like it wasn't the crowd.
It was like all in Mexico's. Yeah.
The crazy thing is lazy, such a humble kid and such a people's
person. Like he's he's the hood kid.
Like he's the typical like Mexican that you think of it
like the hard work or stuff like that.
And he's in the press conference and he got really, really
popular out of his answers. Like he didn't grow up with a
father. He told the the press conference
guy he's like, fuck off. Don't ask about my dad.
Like, you know, he's talking shit to the guy and he's just
having fun. And you know, he's talking about
his dreams. And one guy's like, So what are
you gonna do now? Like, what do you want to do?
He's like, dude, I had a four month training camp, want is to
eat some tacos. So please, let's get this over
with. I just want to go eat some
tacos. And he got popular off of it.
Now literally every single place after start offering him tacos
and the restaurants like dude, commuter to our place.
Like this kid, he gained a half million followers from one fight
and now he's fighting on UFC Nocha, which you win or lose is
going to, I think boost his his ego and and boost his his name
so much more. And I think it's phenomenal,
especially the way that he fights.
It's going to it's going to be a.
Show he's he's a typical Mexican fighter like.
Again, with the way I talked about Patchu where he has the
ego, like he wants to fight. He want like if he gets knocked
out, he's like, you're the better man.
I fucked up, you know? Like he wants to fight.
He doesn't want to wrestle, he doesn't want to grapple, he
doesn't want to tap you. He wants to like put you to
sleep with his hands. That's, I'm telling you, this
kid works hard and actually he comes back 'cause he had a baby
not too long ago. I believe his, I believe his
baby's two months old. He went to Veracruz to see his
family again. And then he's going to get right
back to camp. He's actually supposed to be
here today, hopefully, and just get back to camp, dude.
And we're sitting at the upper house.
There's eight people in a house together and we're all fighters.
It's, it's like a dorm, It's like The Ultimate Fighter house.
It's fucking hilarious because every once in awhile we'll argue
it's great. But like he's ready to start
training and I'm excited for him to be in he's, he's 2425 years
old living his dreams like he created it and lived his dreams
and then now he's just pushing through.
The hardest part in this happened to me was trying to
keep him motivated on two senses.
One, because you made weight once doesn't mean it's going to
get easier because you're you've blown up back again.
We got to slowly bring you back down and we got to do it
respectfully because I know you can make weight and maybe we can
wait the last few weeks or a month out and start working, but
you're just going to make it a lot harder.
You can make it, but let's let's do it like homework, do it
progressively, you know, do a little bit.
And so it's due on Friday. And then two is once you get to
the UFC, that doesn't mean you're going to be there
forever. So you're fighting not just to
be in the UFC now, it's to stay in the UFC.
You finally created a goal on most fighters and especially
myself. I did this where I fight and I'm
like, oh, I'm a UFC fighter, I'm in the UFC.
Yes, I finally do UFC. And then you're there and you're
just like, Oh yeah, I got to fight.
I forgot about that. I got to fight to keep my money.
I got to fight to keep my contract or whatever the case
may be. So for him is you got to fight
and have little goals. Don't be like are cool in UFC be
champion. No, no, no, dude, let's make top
15, beat 2-3 people. Let's get top 15, beat 2-3
people. Let's make top ten.
Like you're 2425, like you have time.
Don't think about the title because you're going to give
yourself anxiety trying to get there.
Try to get as fast as possible. No, let's get to the top 15.
Beat whoever O day next. Cool.
Beat him. Maybe you're top 15.
All right, let's fight whoever's next.
Get the top 12, top ten and keep on going.
And it must be so nice to have multiple.
People on his team like you with that experience, especially you
that's just so recently been through it.
I I hate on this kid so much. Because upper management and
this is, you know, shout out to them is they have, if you look
at NFL players, they have a marketing guy, they have a
social media guy, they have a nutritionist, they have, you
know, straight and conditioning coach.
They have everything. You know, for this one person,
like we drove, if we drive anywhere, there's three cars
with us because they're ready to die for lazy.
Like they're they're working for him, no one else.
And then maybe there's a little help here and there, but they're
there for him. The whole camp where in Mexico
was for him and then whatever fighters there, but they were
these set of 10 people were for lazy.
These set of 10 people were for Daniels of Uber and then vice
versa. You know, all these people.
Me, I've been doing everything so long giving.
I'm very independent. I'm happy about it.
But dude, I'm watching his fight in his camp and I'm like, damn,
I barely did paths my whole career.
Damn, I didn't have a nutritionist so I got to the
UFC. Damn, I didn't like, I'm like,
but it's not hating as in like, fuck, I wish I had that.
I'm just like, dude, good for him.
This kid has like a chance to do all these things that I didn't
get to do. Like, it's kind of like that Big
Brother, for example, my brother, like I love him to
death, but he didn't get to do all the things I got to.
And he's like my biggest fan cuz it's like, I want you to do more
cuz I guess I helped you, you know?
Like that's the closest he's going to get to that for me.
It's the same with lazy. Like, dude, you have another
fight and you'll see, fuck yeah, but you got to do this.
This is why, you know, or at least these are my extreme
recommendations of why you got to do this because I wish I
would have done it. Hopefully you don't say make the
same mistakes and you follow your own little path.
You divert whatever way, but take my advice with a grain of
salt and go from there. But lazy dude, he has his whole
fucking team. Like he comes to the states, you
know, I think his, you know, upper management takes care of
his flight. He's in a house here for free.
You know, they have a nutritionist here for him.
I know now he's in UFC. They often nutrition and and you
know, sports recovery and stuff like that.
But even before that, he's being taken care of and it's like he's
being treated like a professional athlete for being a
kid on the streets. Like I grew up poor, but it was
like middle class poor. This kid grew up poor like, Oh
my gosh, you know, so that for him to go from nothing to be in
this treated like a professional athlete as I believe you should
be like good for him. And now, dude, he goes random
story, tangent, lazy, so popular.
Now, I don't know if you've ever heard stories about like the
police in Mexico, but especially if you're a tourist and they
know you're a tourist, like, oh, me, no, Spico.
Like you're you're a tourist. They're going to take money from
you. The cops will like, oh, we're
going to give you this ticket unless you give us so many pesos
or whatever, you know, like give me $100 and I'll let you go.
You know, and and as an American, you're like, fuck, you
know, like I kind of have no choice.
Yeah, I'm in a whole different country.
They tried to do that to Lazy one day.
They pulled him over and like sort of get out of the car,
stuff like that. And I don't know where the cops
are, like, and they want to talk to each other, like.
And they come back and there's like, hey, we won't give you a
ticket unless. And Lazy is like, he's like,
unless you punch my partner in the face, you know, can you take
a picture with him? Do we do congratulations to your
fight? Can we take a picture together?
No. Yeah, You're free to go.
I don't care. You're good.
And everyone in the car is filming this whole interaction.
They're like, what the fuck? You know, cuz the cops, they do
that. But they, that's how popular
lazy is that He's just avoiding trouble.
And they're just pulling people over to pull people over.
Like he didn't do any bad. But, you know, they, they want
money and they're like, dude, you're lazy, boy.
Oh, yeah. Tacos.
Yeah, yeah. OK.
And then they just let him go and it's like, Oh yeah, dude,
he's a Taco guy, you know? So it's, it's it's that's how
popular this kid has gotten. And that's out of one fight.
Just imagine he wins his next one at the spear.
What what event could be bigger right now than the spear?
Every single fight in there if you put a show on.
God, that's going to be everything for your career.
If and like I don't know where he's going to be labeled.
In in this or put on this card. But for I believe he should be
somewhere in the middle of the card where he's now on ESPN, not
on ESPN Plus, excuse me, where he's on regular cable.
People can watch it and now hopefully get to know who he is
here in the states, Mexico and every Latin country loves him.
He speaks Spanish. Whatever.
He everyone loves him. But now we need Americans love
him. Once America's on your side,
like you're going to be huge and do we've been yelling we got to
get you to speak English, like even the littlest thing, like
something, you know, like it would just boost the stock so
much. You can say I love you, right?
Yeah, sometimes. It all depends.
Like it? All depends on the day, 'cause
there's, there's like we'll go to the Pi and we'll run and I
and given I'm not completely fluent in Spanish, you know, but
I know enough to like translate for him, figure stuff out and
we're all good. And I remember one day I'm
running a trendy and he's talking to some guy who's
Arabic. So he speaks Arabic, you know,
and or he's Arab and he speaks Arabic and, but they're both
kind of trying to talk in English.
And Lazy's like, oh, how, how old are you, brother?
Yeah. And it's just, you know, very
broken And, but he doesn't really know how to, like, listen
too. Well, depends on the words, you
know. And again, some people have
accents. It's like listening to an Irish
guy or a Scottish talk. You're like, dude, I know you're
speaking English, but holy shit. You know, But anyways, I'm
running and I take off my headphones just to see if Lazy
needs help. And Lazy looks at me after the
conversation's over and I'm just like, you good.
And he's just like, dude, I had a full conversation in English.
I did it. God, he's just so happy.
So it's very, very simple stuff like everyone, you know, like AB
CS and how are you? I'm good, how are you?
But that's pretty much about it right now, but slowly and some
swear words. But it's a little bit surely,
you know, he he gets to a man and I'm, you know, we're, you
know, not trying to think too far ahead, but we got to get him
some type of speech in English after his, you know, like the
Russians when they try to do it after their fights.
Yeah, but the way of lazy when he jumps on the Mike and he.
Has he has just that bright energy out of him?
Dude, it's and I'm not trying to.
Be like stereotypical towards like my people and Latinos in
general, but Mexicans I think are the funniest Latinos out of
all of them because they're so charismatic.
Like my coach Mike, we call him autistic cause 'cause like he's
just like, dude, I'm pretty sure you're autistic.
Like the way you act sometimes. But he just, they're so like
their expressions and, and their laugh and the way they speak
like, like for example, is the, the post speech.
He's like tacos. Yeah, yeah.
Has like their version of the same way.
Or it's like, man, I just want tacos, you know?
And he's just like, I want tacos.
And this dad, like he's just so up there and you're like, it's
like Chris Tucker in rush hour movies.
Like he's that, you know, and he's just, he makes the mood, he
makes the movie, you know. So I think in general, Mexicans
are like that. They're so fun.
If you watch any Mexican show, there's always the clown,
there's always some guy talking smack.
And also our skin is super, super thick when it comes to
that. We literally base our whole
society on talking shit to each other.
That's just like I thought you meant like literally like an
like an. Autonomy thing.
Oh that too. But like we can.
Take a shot. But that too, like, do we lay?
Like if there's a fat kid growing up, his name isn't
whatever his name is. His name is Gordo.
Yeah, His name is Gordo or Gordito or whatever, like or
hey, you're Flacco. That's it.
You'll never hear it down. You can lose weight.
You can be in shape like yourself.
And 10 years later, 20 years later, what's up, Gordo?
How you doing? And you're just like fuck you.
Like I lost his weight already. Like Nope, people don't forget.
Like that's just what it is. Before I get to get out of here,
when is your? Next flight?
I don't know, sadly. I thought I was going to.
Fight August 3rd in Colombia. The hard part with brave is they
partner with a lot of Co promotions there or because they
travel so much to different countries.
Sometimes politically there might be things there that might
not be safe enough or just things don't work out well where
an event has to be cancelled so or postponed.
So right now my event is postponed.
I don't have an opponent, I don't have an event date.
They said maybe sometime in September.
That's also why I'm here in Vegas and I just want to fight
and you know, make a payday and hopefully, like we talked about
possibly doing a podcast on myself or you us together and
just having fun, like I'm trying to live my life also while
training. And also fun fact, I'll give it
to you is I might in December cut back down to flyweight
because I want to be able to lazy.
Honestly, as much I love to hate on him, I hate on him in a good
way is that he inspired me to cut back down because that
fucker weighs as much as I do. So I'm like, damn it, if you can
make the way that I can make the way fuck.
It just takes getting to that dark place.
I do, I have so much trauma with cutting away it's.
Ridiculous. Like it's, I remember actually
when I fought Alex Perez, that was my first loss.
I was so mentally broken from the weight cutting, all the
other stuff that was going on behind the scenes that I just, I
went in the cage and I'm like, I don't even care.
I just want to go home. And that was like my trauma on
weight cutting. And years later I started doing
it myself and I'm like, oh, I can make the weight, I'm fine.
And I started getting hurt like my ligament started tearing.
Both my knees started getting torn in different areas and and
I'm getting surgeries or just I fall and I can't catch myself
there as I usually would when I was younger.
So if you weight cut improperly, your body is going to start to,
you know, fuck up on you. Now, because of being a part of
Lazy's team and having some of his team members help me like
Mike, his coach, dude, it it. I feel a lot more comfortable
and safe to do it. I still don't want to do it, but
I feel a lot more accustomed. Be like, OK man, if Lazy can do
it, then I can do it. I don't care if he's 10 years
younger or whatever the case may be.
I know if he can do it, I can do it and that's my mindset.
Would you like to end the back in the UFC one day?
It's it's not that I'd like. To end the back in the UFC, I
mean, when I was younger, naturally that's all you think
of. I think because now that I'm
older than you might be able to understand, especially since you
have kids, it's like, I just want to make as much money as
possible to be able to feed my my family, provide for people.
I don't have that, but I also provide for a lot of people back
at home. So for me, I want to be able to
make as much money as possible. But one of the ways to make
money, not promote myself really well is through a platform that
could boast you. Brave is great and that's
awesome. And again, not putting any shade
on them, but they're overseas. You know, for you to watch my
fight, you have to watch it. My last fight was in Mauritius,
Africa. One, no one knows what the hell
Mauritius is next to Madagascar. And then two, my fight here was
at like 10 in the morning, you know, so it's like, are you
going to wake up at 10 in the morning on a Saturday to watch
my fights possibly on YouTube or The Zone or whatever streaming
platform? So it gets difficult.
Plus, as an American, you don't know what Brave is.
Some people don't even know what Bellator is or one FC, you know.
So they kind of give that backhand a compliment like, oh
cool, you're pro fighters. So when are you going to fight
in UFC? And it's like what?
Like dude, Ilian supported us from Brave, you know, Mohammed
Mokaev and all the the Kozma Jamaaev and Ikram who just
fought Whitaker. Like they're all high level
guys. They just don't have the name
yet until they get to this platform.
So for me, I'd like to fight the guys with the names just
because, for example, no one knows my last opponent and this
is not putting shade on him and coasting.
The Bella at the time was seven and two, and now I believe 8:00
and 2:00. But he beats me, he uses my
name, I beat him, no one cares. So there's not much of A benefit
for me besides the extra W on my record.
So for me, if I beat Amir Abbazi again, hey, you beat the #3
ranked in the UFC. Oh, I beat Pantoja dude.
Now you're the champion in the UFC.
Everyone knows that, you know. So I think as a platform, I'd
like to be able to contend myself, you know, be a contender
against the top level guys. You know, if I win or lose, like
cool, I I fought these guys. Ray Borg, even though he got,
you know, suplex on armbar, like dude, you fought Demetri
Johnson. That's fucking awesome.
You know, like I'd rather I'd be, that'd be an honorable loss.
I'm like, fuck, that sucks, but it's by him, you know, compared
to a No name for me. I'd love to be back in the UFC
and fight those guys. Then also, there's so much
popularity when it comes to it that I can just help build my
brand so much more and then be the next Brendan Schaub and be
hated on people and make millions of dollars, you know,
So do whatever and have a wonderful family in a big
mansion. All kinds of cars, however that
works. Is the hard?
Life, you know the hard. Life so yeah, I don't know I'm
that's I would love to fight in UFC, but that's another reason
why I'm trying to drop back down the flyweight is maybe just
maybe there's another opportunity and you know
hopefully I I feel also immensely more stable to where I
was when I was trying to get to UFC of I was trying to do so
many things. I was hurting myself and I was
also in the process of getting engaged.
My dad was very unhealthy all these other little things and I
I again there was that like mid 20s where I'm like I don't know
what the fuck's happening in life right now and so I'm kind
of creating a self sabotage and to where I think if the same
situation happened now you if I had to do last minute wake up
like I'm a lot more mentally stable and prepared to go cool.
I've been through it once I did it and that wasn't a very shitty
experience. I feel I'm a lot more mentally
prepared knowledgeable with the team and all these things that I
can do a lot more productively and be a lot more healthy and
mentally stable when I finally do get inside the cage.
So for me I I want to fight August September and slowly go
back down the flyway. And also win the flyweight, you
know, vacant championship of brave and again, these are my
plans. I'm put them out there cuz
manifesting but. But and then after that, you
know, if I defend it, keep on going and I that's my next and
last goal for Brave. If I can regain the bantamweight
title, awesome. But right now it's this
bantamweight fight and then slowly back down to fly away and
see if my body can do it and just kind of go from there.
If the UFC calls again, then hopefully I get a proper
training camp because I actually answered it outside and had a
nine day notice and 20 day notice in a in a 2 month span.
So I didn't have time to cut weight.
Jared Brooks. I literally was like, oh, cool,
I got to fight shit. I got to cut 26 lbs in nine days
and then 28 lbs is against Alex President 20 days after just
cutting those 26. So it's difficult.
So for me, I would love to get an actual camp.
Give me a full month, give me a month and a half and then
hopefully go from there. So we'll see.
You know, it's, it's as much as I'd like to think about the
future COVID, you never know, shit could happen again or
whatever the case may be. I just wonder World War three,
which is fucking super close right now.
But for me, I just want to go this fight, see what happens
from there, Because I'm pretty sure you've had the same thing
where you've had plans and dude, shit just comes out of nowhere
and just hits the fan and you're like, OK, cool, I got to figure
this out. Well, I guess I'm not going this
way anymore. Trees in the middle of the road.
I got to go the other way. Still trying to make to the same
destination, but now I got to take different routes and it
might take a little longer than expected.
So these are my plans, but especially my last two fights
that was kept on, you know, fucking being diverted.
So we just see where things go and and, you know, just try, try
my best and try our best family wise to to smile going forward
and just go from there. Last thing before you plug
everything. So you would do talk about plug,
you would. Do a celebrity boxing.
Match dude. Oh, did I?
I don't know if I told you about.
That So Misfits had an event in Houston and I flew down because
my friend chef, you know, Corey Hall was cooking for one of the
fighters and he's like, dude, we got a mansion like I got a room
for you if you want to come by. Just obviously pay your way and
you can stay in the place. Give me a couple dollars to for
some food and we're good. I'm like, dude, I appreciate
because I get you a ticket. So happened killer bee Nguyen
ended up being there. So I ended up not being in a
corner, but being there for weigh insurance and stuff like
that like oh shit, you're here. Fuck yeah, I get to support you.
Like dude, you're you're like, she's dope.
She's awesome. So I go down and I was like,
man, dude, I would love the fight and influencer like who
cares? And I was fucking around making
videos, talking to the promoter as well.
I was like, dude, I'll fight all the way down from like 1:30 to
180. Like I don't give a fuck.
I weigh about 160 naturally. So I'm like, I don't care.
I'll fight everyone. And he's like, yeah, sure, cool,
whatever. And I was like, this is my
record. I do.
I just did my medical test. If anybody backs out, like I'm
ready to step in. Whoever.
Hey, who are you telling this to?
The the promoter, The. Owner of the MAMS.
Yeah, not Taylor. OK, Yeah, the guy with cowboy
hat and glasses. Everywhere he goes.
And he's like, yeah, shot at the mams, Yeah.
And he's like, yeah, like very nationalizing.
OK, cool. Whatever, you know, like another
guy, like trying to give him a paid, you know, a business card.
And one fight ended up backing out.
Like it just so happened the guy's medicals didn't get
accepted. And so I was like, this is my
moment, like it's my fucking time to shine.
Like I got my gloves, I got like, I'm ready.
You know, I just fought 2 weeks beforehand beforehand.
So I'm healthy, I'm in shape, I have all my medicals done.
But Texas sucks. And because you need, if you
have all these medical tests, you need their, their sheets of
paper, like their Texas medical forms.
So it could be the same form. It just needs to say Texas on
it. And because I didn't have that
in like the two or three days that you need to have it in
before they're like, sorry, you can't fight, but I'm like, I'm
fucking ready to fight. I don't care.
You let's go like I'm ready to crap, But it was it was cool,
but weird at the same time, because it's influencer of that.
It's not boxers, you know, so you're watching and you're just
like, dude, I can fuck up everybody.
You know, I really do believe I'm a good boxer.
So I'm just like, these guys suck.
You know, I'm like kind of like saying everything to my teeth.
But it's you start to realize the press conference that it's a
show like dude, it's they had a guy named OJ and shout out to OJ
coincided with the same name guy named OJ.
They're like, so OJ, what do you believe about your opponent?
What do you believe you're going to do to him?
And he goes grabs his mic and gives it to his friend who's
like a Don King look alike with the chains, everything this
generation Don King and just starts talking shit.
He's like the the angry translator for Obama and Kim Kim
Peele like, oh, I think I'm going to kill him.
OJ is going to do what he did the same thing to that white
lady this day. I'm I'm just looking.
I'm like, oh, shit, like this guy, whatever he was getting
paid. He should have given got paid
double like he was the show of the whole press conference.
So it's it's just a spectacle, man.
Like it's just fun and games and it's it's cool like and plus
it's influencers like I love the fighter, Jake Paul or Logan
Paul. I don't care how much bigger
they are. Me, I'll punch everybody.
What about a Power Ranger? If if I could again.
Rest in peace. If I could fight Jay's David
Frank, I I would have loved to. Rest in peace, that man.
But him, hell, the Black Ranger, every.
I'll fight everybody. I don't care.
We, we know, Jason. We know.
A Power Ranger you might be able to fight.
We've been working and get into a fight with misfits.
Oh, which was that one? Which was that?
Kanalu Moya, He's a. He's a blue Ranger on Netflix.
Is the the new power? Rangers.
Yeah. Is that the what was it?
The Power Rangers Forever one? I have no idea what Dino Fury or
something? Oh, Dino.
OK, OK. This is like the new, new, new
new. New like oh dude, I'll fuck him
he's. 20. So he's Dino something I'll be
the. Old like.
Mighty Morphin. There you go.
Be perfect. I have my white Ranger outfit
back in my house. I'll put it on, dude.
We can do everything. It's it's it's actually cool
when you see martial artists doing martial art, acting based
rules compared to like these quick cuts and like, yeah, you
know, like it's just not cool. But that's why it was a huge fan
of Tommy Oliver, J State Frank 'cause he actually did martial
arts and fought, so actually fought MMA, which is.
Not a lot of people new. Which is also funny because he
did MMA when he was older. And he he won his first fight in
like 34 seconds. He choked someone out, but the
way he got taken down was like a really hard double like to where
he got slammed. And so right after he tapped his
guy out, he gets up and he's like, oh, my back.
Oh, fuck. And we're like all of us as kids
watching were like, Oh, damn, we're old now.
He's grown up. Shit like Jason's old or Tommy
Oliver's old though. So it, it is a crazy thing, man.
But that also that guy used to jump out of planes and he has,
he actually has, I think so has the Guinness World Book world
book record for chopping the most boards in midair while
skydiving. I believe that 12 before he had
to like put on his parachute. That's such a random world
record. Yeah, I remember the one from a.
Robin Big where a big black ends up eating like 6 powdered
doughnut sugar or powdered sugar doughnuts without licking his
lips. I wanted to do that forever, or
like back in the day, the cinnamon challenge and all.
This stuff, I was dying and shit, so stupid.
That was the worst era. It's it's it's.
Gotten worse, but. But dude this these info.
I mean, look at and. I know.
We're trying to get off, but look at Nate Diaz, Mazzaro
yesterday. Like it's two super popular guys
who are now in a sense kind of technically influencers now.
Like again, there's still fighters, but nowhere near the
prime. You know that and you're still
watching them because they have a name and they can, you know,
fight. Still not saying they fight
great, but then also not putting shame on them.
But they're obviously not in their prime.
So I'm trying to make that as clear as possible.
But before then you have the brothers.
Was it Ryan Garcia's brother versus another guy?
I can't remember, or a mini Vargas, Vargas junior, you know,
who's the son of a a multiple time world champ?
You know, so it's like, and that was, you know, fight, you know,
like these are the guys that are not going to be WBOWBA
champions, but they're damn well known because their influencers
naked fight, you know, looks like Ryan's not going to be a
WBO. Champion either anymore what's?
See that's dude that pisses me off because it's like.
Back in the day, especially 70s, eighties, 90s, look at Tyson.
Tyson was talking about eating kids and raping people and all
this other like really fucked up stuff, especially after prison.
Wait, how much money is he making?
Yeah, No, no, no, let's bring him in compared to Ryan Garcia.
Now he says a slur. Like dudes, people say slurs all
the time. Who cares?
But people got offended so much so that they literally banned
him from ever fighting in this promotion or in this title
challenger series. Like it.
That's that's such a shitty thing to where our, and again,
I, I know I'm not politically correct with this, but it's
like, whatever happened to the old phrase of like sticks and
stones can break our bones, but words may never hurt me.
Like I literally heard the opposite from somebody's like 6
and stones may break my bones, but words will definitely hurt
me. I was like, where the fuck did
you hear that? And they're like, yeah, that's
what they taught us at school. Like that's horrible.
Like that's horrible because again, like, that's all we do
suck shit. So yeah, it's, it's everyone's
too easily offended and it's, it's crazy.
Like if something bothers you, man, swallow your pride and just
kind of go from there, man. This whole situation though, it
seems like they might be. I hate to sound like a
conspiracy theorist, but like they're coming for him, right?
Because even like the the drug sample, it looks like it came
from a tainted supplement. Well, it it it said it was that
he. Was positive and then he was
negative and then he was positive again.
Like how does that, you know, so like it was kind of going three
ways and the guy resigned who oh, like, I guess does the
tests. He's like, I don't know, I'm I'm
getting out of here because I feel like I'm in trouble.
And then he still somehow turns out positive.
And it was just, it was weird. So, you know, for Ryan and I
mean multiple people, I'm a I'm a huge Kanye fan, you know, so
the whole conspiracies of Kanye Illuminati and all this other
stuff, it's like, man, if you don't do what people tell you,
eventually stuff comes for you. So at least when you get to a
certain point. So that's the hard part about
speaking your mind when you get to a certain levels, you can't.
So I don't know. I'm not at that level.
So I can talk as much shit as I want.
But until then, you know, I I it's it's it's a very weird
thing. I'm fine talking talking shit
down here. I don't we're.
Good. We need to get up there so.
You keep talking shit. About Brendan.
Schaub Yeah, fuck that guy. So I'm.
OK, so I can call him right now but.
But the. Fact is it's it's that's again,
the whole political correct thing is like, yeah, if you're
going out of your way to make someone feel bad, OK, you're an
asshole like you deserve to get it, you know ever bring trying
to bring violence yeah, but if you're.
Just like man, I just don't. Like this hell, I don't like
fingering my butt. And some people are like, what?
You homophobic? You don't like that shit?
I was like, no, I'm not homophobic, I just don't like
it. But you're going to say I don't
like black people? Yeah, it's like I don't.
My girlfriend's black I barely like.
Her, you know, it's like it's just start talking shit, you
know, But the fact is it's like, dude, there's going to be things
I don't like. I don't have to follow your
page. I'm not you, you know, and vice
versa. Obviously.
Again, if I'm going on my way to put you down, that's a whole
different thing. But if I'm, if you ask me a
question, I answer realistically as a general statement, I don't
like this or I don't like whatever the case may be, then
OK, like let me be me, you be you.
I was raised the way I was raised probably.
And we all need to better ourselves in, in many aspects,
but that's it. Like don't make me believe like
I'm some people are Republican, some people are Democrat because
I'm Democrat or you're Republican or vice versa.
Like I don't need to put that on you, you know, So it's that's
the hard part. I'm not political, so I don't
really care for either or I just believe in the hopefully the
better person, which life politics sucks.
So it doesn't matter. Are you voting?
I'm not. Too sure.
When is that? November.
Have you ever voted? I have voted and I was in.
College and I voted OH. Actually.
Oh, so this is actually a really funny story.
So at the time Bernie Sanders is running for president and there
was Hillary, Trump, all that stuff.
And my coach is fucking extreme Republican, like Trump all day,
every day. But this is also in a very
Mexican neighborhood where at the time he just started talking
about. Well, again, Trump brings up
good points, but doesn't say in the right way.
Again, I, I relate to him with Kanye, like Kanye says the real
stuff. But wow, dude, you could have
said it way better. You know, like you said that way
too aggressively and offensively, you know, So it's
like, I know what you're trying to say, but I've really had to
break this down instead of you just saying it correctly.
Where anyways, he's saying like, all, all Mexicans are coming
over, you know, they're drug dealers or rapists, they're bad
people, stuff like that. I'm in a Mexican neighborhood
and my coach owns a gym in a Mexican neighborhood and he's
like, yeah, Trump this, Trump that where again, propaganda,
fake news, whatever the case may be.
We only look at the bad stuff. So we only see the bad stuff.
We don't see the positive that maybe Trump is doing or Biden,
whoever the case may be. So we're like, dude, fuck Trump,
you know, and we started messing around.
One of our kids was just about turning 18.
And my coach is like, oh, that's awesome.
So Shorty, who are you going to vote for?
I'm in college. Bernie Sanders is big on
representing college students and, you know, taking away debt
and all that stuff. I'm like, dude, I'm going to
vote for Bernie Sanders. He's doing this.
He goes, I don't like it, but I get it.
Cool. Like, and we talked about it and
it was cool. He's like, God, go, go and vote
for Bernie Sanders. He just wants to get, you know,
some information out of you out of nowhere.
I was like, but Adrian, he's about to turn 18 and guess who
he's voting for? He goes, oh, that's awesome.
Who's he voting for? I was like, oh, dude, he's
voting for Hillary Clinton. And oh, my fucking God, If you
tell that to a Trump supporter, it just turns the whole of the
way horns come out. Like he, my coach turned evil.
He's like, what the fuck? We just started practice and our
practices are two hours, the code, you know, the kids.
Like, yeah, I voted for Hillary. Yeah, like he's fucking around.
And dude, our coach sat us down and had like, just like a
lecture with us for two hours. And you know, 20 minutes in, I'm
like, oh, this is fucking hilarious. 40 to an hour in, I'm
like, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry to everybody, you know and like
he, he lectured us for like 2 hours about Hillary Clinton, how
should be in jail, how she should be in jail and all this
stuff. There's like the emails and
fucked up shit and I'm just kind of like, I'm so sorry.
It was just a joke, you know, But yeah, so it's, it's, but
it's also a crazy thing. Again, like, I think if you're
going to explain yourself, like when people were I, I know
you've seen videos on TikTok or Instagram where people were
like, man, I can't believe Trump is saying this.
And then, yo, people were like, oh, So what He's saying he's
like, oh, where, where, where do I start?
And they're like, OK, well, to start somewhere.
He's like, we know that one time.
And then people don't have facts.
It's like, dude, people are just following social media trends,
you know? So whether you're voting for
Trump, Biden, whoever the fuck replaces Biden, 'cause this
dude's gonna fucking not make it.
And all these other people, like dude, have just just be
education, you know, like, look some stuff up, Yeah, You know,
be educational. Don't just like I like him, he's
more popular or he's funny or she's whatever.
Like let's be logical and figure some or make some decisions for
your own yourself. You know what?
I mean, like there's some people that just pick something because
someone else said that thing. Kim Peele actually has a skit
about that. Look it up.
It's like. Kim Peele, social media fan and
basically like this person only sides with the most popular.
That's it. Like, oh, like so always makes
fun of somebody who is different and then finally gets called
down. He's like, So what do you like?
He's like, and doesn't know what to say because he doesn't really
have an opinion. He just follows everything else
because it's easier. So that's why I say like, you
can like your certain things or not like certain things.
Let's actually have some reasoning behind it.
Don't just say because of this or because it pisses someone
else off. No, What about you?
Yeah, Let's hear yourself out and then kind of go from there.
So yeah, this, this whole thing is going to be crazy and we'll
see what happens. So it's going to be wild.
World War three. Let's go.
Yeah, it's. Not talking about likes and
follows. Where can everybody?
Find and like all of your content Jose Shorty Torres on
Instagram is. My biggest thing I always tell
people, man, especially on Sunday, I have Sunday question
day. Ask me anything, I'm more than
happy again. Like when we talk about this
shit, no, I'll probably cancel for like 20 things we talked
about on this show or hate it on or something, you know, like
lazy boy's probably gonna punch me.
I don't know, you know, but people with finger in the butt,
they're gonna be offended. So the whole thing is like,
dude, ask me questions. I'm more than happy to to answer
like I am who I am and that's it.
Don't judge me for me and I won't judge you for you.
Like ask me anything vulnerable stuff as well, because I'm more
than happy to talk about vulnerability.
We talked about our father's deaths than the last one and
just random stuff. So that and then also through
every single weekday of the week, I put out a mental health
post on different topics. So I'll find three to four
different posts from multiple different people, popular
people, especially popular people, all different topics,
you know, deaf relationships, being a champion, the mindset,
nervousness, whatever you can think of, you know, So I just
tried to put out because I've had my mental struggles as well
about depression and stuff like that.
So that's why we say like, I'm going to reply to you.
I might not know when, but I look at every single message
request. So if you follow me, not
whatever, like message me, hit me up Jose Shorty towards an
Instagram. And if I can help, I will.
If I can't, then I honestly can. That's why I say my team is we
can, we will. Together we are Team Shorty, the
one and only Jose Shorty Torres. Still, friends show.
Episode 90. See you guys next time.