Did biagio get weird? No he biagio.
Told some pretty crazy stories. I didn't think he would.
When I was in here. Yeah, yeah, like on the Shorty
Show, Shorty Show yesterday. Check out the Shorty Show
whenever you guys can. Oh, where is it?
My bad my. Bad.
I didn't even know we did that. Intro is Poonie.
We're back episode 97 with the Great.
Yeah. Nico Ali launch.
Upcoming legend, right? Yes, yes.
Hey, I'm excited to be here. I'm the, you know, 100% truth.
I'm not holding nothing back. I feel comfortable.
Yeah, it's. Going to be good.
It's a safe space. It's a safe space.
I feel it, I feel it. We got the plants and
everything. Neon lights.
No, I'm I'm a. Little functioning.
We're honored to have you. It must, We asked Biagio, just
because we had him in yesterday on a different podcast, but we
asked him about does it get, you know, irritating, always being
brought up being the grandson of Muhammad Ali?
It it does, it does. That's like the obvious answer,
but at this point now I'm, I'm 10 and one in boxing.
So like I don't I don't get it as much like, or I'll say it
like this. Before when I was in school and
pony, you could attest to this because I've been around pony
for God knows how long. People would introduce me as,
Hey, this is Muhammad Ali's grandson, Nico.
So like the the front line was Muhammad Ali's grandson, whereas
now it's hey, this is Nico, professional boxer, 10 and one
on Top Rank ESPN and he's mom and all his grandson.
I don't care about that one. But the first one when it was
I'm only Ali's grandson. That's weird and like, that's
annoying. How did that kind of show itself
in childhood? People just found out.
People found out no matter what. I think people just talk because
I I don't know. I don't know if I've ever walked
up to someone directly and been like, hey, do you know who my
grandfather is? I've never said that in my life.
In my life, I've never said that.
So people, it just got around in school.
Yeah. What?
Was it like when people found out?
They would either love me or hate me.
Most of them, Most of them loved me.
Like I would get special treatment from like certain
teachers who would like give me like less homework, that kind of
stuff. That's crazy.
That was cool. But then there were other
teachers that I would say it was 5050 other teachers that were
like, OK, this kid must think that he's something special, I'm
going to make it harder on him. And yeah, so I got both of
those. What about with like the like
the other students, the other kids anybody act like?
Most mostly with the students it I would say it was mostly the
side of bad where they think that, oh, this kid must think
that he's somebody. I'm I'm going to like everyone
always looks at me a certain way and then they get to know me and
then they're like, OK, this this guy's cool do.
They want to just fight you just because.
Yeah, dude, in in middle school I got people who wanted to fight
me. I've I've never been in a like a
legitimate street fight. I've never been a Street
Fighter. I've always been like, just a
polished. Boxer Diageo told us a story.
You got to confirm this. OK, yes.
You used to go around the neighbourhood with boxing
gloves, Yeah, Ask people to fight you.
Yeah, it was, it was that was that was when I got my first
love for boxing. Like, 'cause I like when you
start loving something. You, you, you're just like
addicted to it and you like keep wanting to do it.
You keep wanting to do it. And I just found boxing gloves.
We didn't even own a pair of boxing gloves that that like
weren't signed, you know, or something, because we have a ton
of gloves at my parents house that are like signed by my
grandfather, whatever. But we didn't have boxing gloves
that you could like wear. So I would go to my friend's
house, I'd grab his boxing gloves, and I would just go
around the neighborhood matchmaking myself with
different people. And I fought.
I fought freaking everyone. And then they got tired of
fighting and I wanted to keep going.
And then I just eventually, you know, got into a real gym.
How old were you at that time when I was going on?
When I my first my first gym I think I was 14.
So this is this is my 10th year anniversary.
I'm because I'm 24. So I I've been, I've been boxing
10 years now, which. Is crazy we've been doing this
bro for a minute for. Freaking but in this long.
I'm talking about in the front. Yard though, with the boxing.
Oh, in the front yard I was, I was 13.
I was 12/13 doing that just in the front yard.
It wasn't, it wasn't on concrete.
It was all no, sometimes it was, it was at a park.
We would meet up at parks and then we would match make the the
you know, the girls would come and watch and spectate and it
was a good. Time Was this back in Chicago or
here in? Vegas, no, here in Vegas, no way
yeah. So I I would match make with
with everyone. It was that that was a time to
be alive. I missed those simple times bro,
it was fun. Do you have any like one of
those fights that stuck out where you dropped somebody, just
knocked them out cold? Yeah, no, there was a fight
where my last time doing it was when I hit this dude.
I, I hit this dude with a right hand and we were, we were dumb.
Like we did not come prepared. We didn't obviously there were
no mouth, there was no headgear, there was no wraps.
You would just put on gloves and then punch each other.
But I hit this dude so hard with a right hand and then he stopped
and he was like, I, we, we got to stop doing this.
And then I kind of felt like like a bully.
I'm like, why am I? Why am I doing this?
I should take this some, I should take this somewhere and
that was my last time doing that.
Respect. And Biagio also leaked to us the
let's hear this. The way you got into boxing was
you were showing the videos to someone.
I had no idea what was your your God.
No listen. I showed that video that I just
said where I stopped the guy. I showed that video to Flav.
To flame bro it's like a crazy no.
That's they're. Boys no Pony Pony knows.
Flav's been around 1,000,000. I hate his.
Wings. I hate his wings.
So it's freaking yeah. You hate his wings.
No. So I showed that video to Flave,
and Flave was the person that was like, let me get you in a
gym. Let's just let's go into a gym.
And I was like, OK, I didn't. I didn't think.
I didn't think anything of it. I was just like, OK.
And then he took me to Devin Haney's gym and everything from
there. I just I didn't stop from that
point. So who was like your first
boxing coach then? The first guy to hit Mitts with
me was this guy Kevin Henry, which he's, he's awesome.
He's still around, He's in, I believe he's still in Devon's
camp. And he would just hit Mitts with
me. It wasn't nothing serious.
He would just hit Mitts with me and then I moved switch trainers
and then, yeah, I, I mean, I've been through so many trainers
now it's it's crazy. What is that like?
Being through different. Trainers, yeah, different
systems, different like thinking I'm.
Going to be honest with you as an as an amateur, because as an
amateur I was with one coach the whole time.
Let's. Talk about that, because that's
when we met. We were both amateurs, we me.
And Puny we freaking. I don't remember the first day I
met Puny. Is that CTE or?
No, That, that, that is. That's like brotherhood.
Because I don't.
You don't remember the first time you met your best friend.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
I don't even freaking remember. Because there should have been
memories in between. Yeah, yeah.
And, and, but, yeah, no, we were with, we were with the same
coach. We were both amateurs.
And yeah, it was, it was just crazy looking back at it now as
a pro, if you have a lot of, if you have a lot of coaches as a
pro, I've been through like four or five coaches as a pro.
That's weird. You get looked at as kind of
like like a hoe, you know what I'm saying?
Like, and it wasn't my fault that I switched so many coaches
as a pro because there was a lot of issues within my team that
made me switch. But yeah, I'm I'm settled now
with my staff. What kind of issues came up
because I mean like. I was just with the wrong
people. I, when I, when I turn pro, I
was with this manager that screwed everything up and then
he screwed up my first coach. He, he just messed everything
up. And I and I went through so many
coaches because I was just, we were, we were just not like a
legitimate professional team because it all happened so fast.
But now, now we're settled and I've got all the right people
around me. So what was it like when you
guys were training together? Who?
Who was that coached under? That'd be a.
Gift. That's coached gift.
OK, Yeah. We had a good freaking time.
No, yeah. You know what though?
No poony we had. We were always teammates.
We were always on the same team. Like they would, they would have
competitions, they would do competitions.
And I never, I never lost that competition that that we did
the. Like the the sprints?
Yeah. I never lost because it was, it
was me. It was pony.
And then we would, we would. It would either be Boston or
Gus. Or yeah, Gustavo and but we
just, we never freaking lost. We would always be.
We had a good dynamic. Yeah, I I would start it.
We cheer each other on you. Middle it and then and then I
remember Gustavo finished it one, one time and then Boston
was great too. Yeah, we had a good.
Time. That was great.
It was great times, Yeah. Even like thinking about your
amateur career, like what was You didn't have a long, you
didn't have a really long amateur career.
No it sucks. Like you talk to these boxers
nowadays, they have like 100 fights is the bare.
Minimum, yeah. I had like I I had like 15 which
is not a lot at all. Yeah, that's crazy.
I almost have more pro fights now, which is insane, but I
mean, I was, I was training. You don't necessarily need an
amateur fight to get experience like because we were going
through rounds like we would be sparring rounds.
Pooni knows. Like it was just sparring all
the time, all the time, every single week.
There was no break, so I got my experience in in the gym I would
say. And you didn't rack up the
mileage, you know, like. Yeah, like you, that's a whole
nother thing. That's a whole nother problem.
Because I know like I see boxers all the time who have 200
fights, 300 amateur fights, and you could see after 300 amateur
fights they turn pro and they're great.
You could see that they're great.
But they they fade fast, like their careers only last so long
because you're like, even if you're a kid fighting you're
that's mileage that's doing damage to your body.
And then you do 300 fights. How many rounds is that?
How many minutes of getting punched that is, is insane.
So. And preparation for those.
Matches would no, because it's not even it's not even the
fights that really damage you. It's like the sparring leading
up to the fights. And then so you got someone
who's got say 200 amateur fights.
How many rounds of sparring did you do to prepare for that?
It's, it's so much mileage. It's so much mileage.
I'm, I'm glad I'm in the position where I don't have a
ton of mileage, but I do have enough experience to excel
professionally. You know what I'm saying?
Right, I think yeah. I mean, it's showing too.
Like, yeah, you're having a I'm. Glad.
Having a great kid, can we think about how maybe Lomachenko could
have rained a little bit better if he didn't have 300 amateur
fights? You know what I mean?
Yeah, see he. Came in hot.
He took the world by storm and then, like, sizzled off.
Yeah, he's got, he's got literally the greatest amateur
career record of all time, of all time.
No one beats his amateur record, but I if I was him like after
250 fights because I, I can't speak on his record.
His record's insane. It's amazing.
One loss out of 300 like 2 like. 297 and one.
Or something. Yeah, something like that.
So after 250 and O or after 200 and O, I'm like, dude, I'm
turning pro. I'm not going to keep fighting
for free, you know what I'm saying?
But yeah, dude, that's that's just mileage.
It's mileage. It's scary though.
Also, I mean, you started and a lot of boxers start five years
old. Yeah, you started, I started
late 1414. Sounds young, but it's that's
late in comparison to these guys, Javonte Davis, they have
photos of them legit six years old punching people.
So, you know, I wish I started earlier.
But then then you're in that position that you're saying what
if this not because then again, you're in the you're in that
mileage zone. Where yeah, exactly.
You can, you can I? I'd rather start.
I'd rather start too late than too early.
Do you know what I'm saying? If if I start too late I could
still learn and progress. If I start too early I'm I'm
going to have brain damage by the time I'm 25.
Years old, your brain's not even going to develop to the point
where it needs to kind of thing. And you deal with burnout, like
just not wanting to do it anymore.
Maybe you got pushed too hard too young, too early.
And then you once you get older, you're like, I don't even want
to do this. Like this was your dream, not
mine, you know? It's because it's hard to say if
you're a 5 year old, 6 year old boxing.
I don't think any 6 year old actually wants to fight.
I just don't. I don't think every any 6 year
old is going to be like hey let's go to the gym, let's punch
punch people like. I did want to fight everybody.
When I well, you're insane, you're insane.
He's different, like in the streets we're.
Talking when we're talking normal people, that's like, I
feel like that's the parents pushing them and stuff and
that's great too. But again.
You need somebody for the cycles to punch right?
Yes, yes. But you, you got that chance of
just getting too many miles. But I think everything happens
for a reason. I'm glad the way my story has
panned out so far. That's sick because you didn't
really play too much high school sports, did you?
I didn't play any high school sports.
I was literally a one trick pony.
I I went back the boxing route and I did not turn back.
It was boxing and that and that was it.
You were a bigger kid, no? I was fat.
I was fat and, and you look at a lot of these boxer stories, a
lot of them were fat and then they they like got bullied for
being fat and then they were like, I want to knock this guy
out. That was kind of little bit my
story. Like people would call me fat
all the time and then I would get pissed off.
I'd want to knock them out and I'd be like, I want to, I wish I
knew how to fight to knock this guy out.
And that's just kind of that was a little breeding in me from
early on. Now you just get paid to knock
dudes. Out, yeah.
And and then once you, once you do it, I think you can attest to
this pony. Once you do it professionally,
you don't you don't have the urge to want to like knock out
civilians. Yeah, I still want to, but I
mean. But it's.
So much easier to deal with now though, because I'm like one,
I'm going to go to jail 2 I like then I won't be able to fight
and then you know, like maybe I'll break my hand or something
like. Yeah, I I think personally, like
nowadays if someone presses me out in public or something like
someone gets weird. 7 two. Wow.
Dude, 72 but I'm, I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, I'm like,
I'm like, I could actually, I could legitimately kill this
person. I'm not even going.
I'm not even going to put energy out there.
He's not even going to piss me off.
You know what I'm saying? So that's where I'm at.
That's where I'm at now. It's a good place to be the.
Warrior in the Garden. Yeah, dude, I'm not.
I I do not fight for free out on the streets.
I've, I've never been in a street fight.
I don't think I ever will be on a street fight, especially now
if I broke my hand or something, or even worse, if I broke
something on them. That's freaking, you know?
It's got to bring me a security. Dude, you need you need some
guys need security. Puny would be great security.
You just need someone just just they.
Were really confused because of the size too.
And it just boom boom they would.
Think they'd be like, oh, I can, I can take the if I'm fighting a
dude who's 65, some 65 dude who's pressing me, he sees puny,
he'll be like, I can take this guy double leg.
No, no, you can't. The average person cannot fight.
It's crazy. It's amazing, Yes, it's amazing.
Especially once they start drinking alcohol, everybody
thinks they can fight. That's why that's why boxing and
not just boxing, fighting in general has the most couch
coaches than any other sport. You know, when you're watching
football, you've got guys that the guy will fumble the ball and
then and then the couch coach will be like, oh, you should
have ran this way, you know, something like that.
But when it comes to fighting, the the coaches on the couch
always have something to say. Why didn't you just put your
hands up? Why didn't you just throw a
right hand? Why didn't you just like, take
them? It's stupid.
Everyone thinks they know how to fight.
They can't if If they think they could, they should, and they
don't. It's a.
It's a really big difference too, because the the couch
coaches in football, like I, I'm a big couch coach in football
and I'm like screaming at the TV, but I play football.
You play football like a lot of people have played football.
Not too many people can say the same about fighting.
Like when have you fought? When have.
When have you ever, ever, like, put gloves on?
Yeah, yeah, fighting is one thing.
Fighting is one thing. Like putting on gloves is a
totally different thing. That's like actual fighting.
Because when you put on gloves, now you're getting ready to
fight someone who is the same level as you or or probably
better. And it's premeditated.
That's the. Worst part?
That's the worst part. It is premeditated.
Like 8 weeks, six weeks, whatever.
Like you're like, oh God, this guy's gonna kill me.
I need to kill him. This guy, like Street fight,
just how it's easy, Yeah. That's that's what they call a
crime of passion. And those are, those are so much
easier because when, when you get heated, it's easy to want
to, you know, start, start a fight and start fighting people.
But imagine this, imagine you're at a casino or, or you're a
random person, right? And then you get into a an
argument with someone, they want to fight you and someone comes
in and says, hold off, wait eight weeks, we're going to
prepare for this. It would you would not want to
fight that guy in eight weeks. You wouldn't.
You would be so. Over it, Yeah, You'd be
completely over it because it's easier.
And it's so much easier in the moment when tensions are high
and everything. But you know, preparing for it
is that's the hard. Part that is really the worst
part about about what we do. Yeah.
I think I was preparing myself though, because you know what's
funny? Like every street fight I had in
like school, like in in high school, it was like, OK, let's
fight after, like let's fight after school.
So like the whole. Day.
It's like building up and I'm like, I'm just thinking about
fighting this guy after school. I've been around, I've been
around, I've coached some people through through those little
situations where it's like, yeah, we're fighting after
school, we're fighting at six O clock in the park.
So that's yeah, that's kind of funny.
But. Wait, what do you what do you
mean by you've coached him through it?
He's a good. He's a.
Good like coach. Yeah, I've been, I've been in
their corners. Like there have been, there have
been people in like middle school who they were about to
get into a fight and it was after school.
We're going to, we lived, we lived across from our, our
middle school was across from a church.
So they'd be like church parking lot after school.
And then I would have to just like coach the person.
I would just be like, hey, OK, let's so like, I didn't know
what I was talking about because at that point I was not boxing.
So you know I'm. Just trying to help and yeah
they would lose. He coached me through my split
with GIF coached me. Through.
That whole thing. Take us through that because you
guys both have split from legendary coach and coach GIF,
Yeah. I mean, listen, when it comes
down to it is this people, certain personalities mesh with
certain people and it's just some some don't and and that's
basically the bottom line. I hate the fact that I'm the
person that, like, has been through so many coaches, but
that does give me the experience of knowing like what it's like
to break up, you know what I'm saying?
Like, I'm looking, I'm looking at him for advice, you know what
I mean? Like, yeah, how's it calling
him? Like texting him?
Oh, shit. I'm like, dude, this is.
What I'm going to say. So Walker, how did your split
from GIF go? We When did that happen?
I was an amateur. Like before 2020, right?
Yeah, I was. I was still an amateur.
It was before COVID. Yes, yes, yes, it was.
Before COVID, yeah, way, almost like.
Right before COVID, was it? I don't know.
Dude, it's I, I think it was, I think it may have been 2019.
But yeah, no, I just, I just felt like, I just felt like I
just needed something different. I didn't even get another coach
as an amateur. I was kind of just doing, doing
my own thing. And then and then I I went pro.
I trained with Abel Sanchez, who was Triple G's coach back in the
day. But then after that COVID hit
and then I just felt ready to turn pro.
And then I just turned pro. So what were you doing that
whole time to prepare to turn pro?
I was just training on my own. I was doing it Rocky style, you
know what I'm saying? Garage workouts just 100% on my
own. And I was just yeah, dude,
garage workouts, YouTube just doing doing a boxing class on my
own. I during that time, like during
COVID, before COVID, I would actually, people would come in
and try to learn how to box and like guys from high school, they
would pay me to teach them how to box.
So I would do that and then that was helping me because it was
just keeping me busy. So I had a whole thing going,
yeah. But how did you know it was time
to split from the coach for people that are watching them,
maybe going through something similar you.
You know, you know when when you're with your girl and, and
you just, you wake up with her and you're like, Oh my God, why
is she breathing like that? Why is she eating her food with
her mouth open? You know what I'm saying?
It's time to like I knew like I knew.
You know, and you guys are both with him for years up to that
point like you felt that six years.
Many, many years 6. I think 6 each bro.
Yeah, yeah, it's and, and again, it's nothing personal.
Like it's not an attack on any sort of person.
It's just like, it's like, hey, I'm just going, I'm going a
different path. And it still hurts, but that's
what it is. How did you break the news to
him? How I do it, I think I, I, I, it
was premeditated for me, like I, I had, I was just like I was.
I just felt like it, it wasn't working anymore.
And then I finally gave him a call.
He he understood it. Then afterwards there was a time
where obviously it was awkward and we didn't talk.
And then now I'm I'm back cool with GIF again and see him all
the time and he sometimes trains my he was at my brother's.
He was in my brother's corner for his last fight.
So I'm 100% cool. Like it never happened at this
point, but there was a period where it was just awkward and we
didn't talk. And you know that happens.
That's interesting. But even like, you didn't have
to console anybody else or counsel anybody else.
You just knew on your own. Yeah, You know, I.
Mean, I obviously I would talk about my parents and stuff at
the time and I would just be like, hey, what do you think
about this? But that was that was it because
I didn't have anyone. Oh no, I did.
I did Joe Benavidez. Joe Benavidez, Who's who's?
He was my guardian Angel in high school.
Every time I was having a bad day, he would show up in the
freaking bat cave, which was our old gym.
Yeah. So I would just talk to him and
he he switched coaches same as I did.
Like right before. Yeah, so he knew exactly what to
do and I talked to him about it for months and then I made it
happen. Oh yeah.
So I mean, speaking to somebody that had been through that
situation prior really helped out.
Yeah, You know what I mean? There's always someone to talk
to. There's no shortage of people
switching coaches that they've been with for a million years in
in boxing and MMA. They do it all the time.
It literally is so normal that it's whatever.
So for you it was basically instinct to reach right out to
Nico. Yeah, well, it did take me a
while. It's just so crazy how he
happened to be where I was that night because it was in my head.
It was in my head. I like, dude, I was talking to
like Danny Gay Boston. Like I was talking to like my
big Bros and stuff and telling them like, you know, I'm like
fuck, dude, I'm probably going to leave GIF.
And then they would talk to me and they'd be like, yeah, bro,
if you feel that's right, you know, and like I'm like one
person I need to talk to before I do this is Nico.
Like I need to talk to Nico. And it was just, I don't want to
like, you know, like this dude is a celebrity now, bro.
I'm not trying to bother him bro.
But then. You can call me at 3:00.
AMI know, I know, but I'm like no, I'm not going to bother
Nico, but there was a top ranked event at the pause.
I just so happened to like, you know, I haven't been working.
I just so happened to get called in that night and I'm like on my
phone like oh, top ranks here. Oh, sick.
I'm like, I'm like, bro, any chance you're at this Top Rank
event right now? And he's like, I'm here.
I was like, bro, I'm working valet, come see me.
Please, please come see me when you're done.
He came out and like it's like he knew what I was like.
I was like, bro, I got to talk to you about about something.
I was like, I got to talk to you.
That's all I said. And he's like, about who?
I'm like. Oh, I said he's like, are you?
You probably know he's like GIF. Like yes, GIF like call me like
I called him the next day. We just oh, it's crazy.
Like you knew. No, I knew.
I knew what was up. We we can, we can read each
other's minds. Yeah.
So, yeah, no, I knew what was up.
But yeah, that was destiny that I was.
There. And it was days, days later.
I was like, I'm done, Yeah. What advice did you give him on
that call? It's same thing.
I'm I'm telling you honestly, it's just it's normal.
It's hard. It's literally like breaking up
with your girlfriend. It feels, it feels, it feels the
same because you've been with this guy for so long.
He's trained you, he's helped you.
He's you know, there may be tension right now, but they're,
you know, there's respect there. You guys like each other, but
it's it's for the best. And if you're even thinking
about like if someone's with someone as a trainer and they're
thinking about leaving them, if they even think about that, they
should probably make that move. Like you shouldn't, if you're
with someone that you're happy with it, that the thought of
leaving should not even be in your head.
You know what I'm saying? And it's like like situational
too, because maybe maybe it's just like, oh, just that day, he
was just so hard. And and then you're like, oh
man, I don't want to be with this guy.
No more like I, you know, but but the rest of the days are
great. But if it's like every day,
every day where you're every day like man, why?
Like that? Think about it.
All yeah, then you're like, OK, this is like a week now you've
been thinking this, so then you probably should get out of
there. You know, everybody's going to
feel some type of way off of some stuff.
So like that, that impulse maybe not good.
But yeah, if it's on like a a week or like just ongoing, then
I would say get out of there. So are you in that that awkward
phase right now where not really talking to him too much?
It's a funny situation because when we were talking, I'm like,
you know what? Like like I looked at him and
Joe B situation. I'm like, dude, like, like, it's
not like I'm not going to be at the pool parties and the
barbecues and this and that in the morning.
I'll still see everybody and stuff like that.
It'll still be all love. And will you still be at the
pool parties? No, no, I bro, we haven't spoke.
We haven't spoke like we had. We have not spoke since then
like. See it'll.
It'll happen, see, and it's going to have to be on him, you
know what I mean? Like.
It will happen though. But like, yeah, we see each
other in the gym. Just keep it moving.
Just walk right by each other like we don't see each other.
Because you see him almost daily.
Almost almost daily bro. That's that's tough.
Yeah, that's tough. Like it is.
It is what it is, you know? Yeah.
But me, I'm just doing my thing,
bro. I'm thriving.
Like like my life hasn't been better bro in like years.
You got how many weeks till you fight?
Two weeks, 2 weeks, like 13 days now.
No, actually, that's awesome. 1212 days.
I'm so weird. Yeah, we've been going
back-to-back for a while. Yeah.
Like, like I will fight on a Friday and he will fight on a
Saturday and it would be like multiple events.
It's just me and then him. Me and then pretty crazy.
We God damn. Because we started, we started
our pro careers around the same time.
Around the same time, Yeah, that's wild.
Damn, I'm doing it. Yeah, dude, it's, it's.
Like from the backstage? You start freaking fighting.
It's like in your early in your career, it's like one on top of
the next, one on top of the next.
Yeah, when you make that big box then you can slow it down.
Yeah, that's the only time that you know.
Two times. A year or something.
I wish it was more than one on top of the other because you're
getting paid a ton. But yeah, no, it's I'm in a
little, I'm in a little empty pocket.
I'm not going to be fighting until next year because yeah, my
last fight I dislocated my shoulder and it freaking ripped
off and then I had to get surgery.
And you're still slapping him with that arm.
Dude, I was, I was when it first happened.
When it first happened, I was so confused because something like
that never happened before and it was like it's, it was a, it
was a dislocated shoulder, but it was like, it felt like, it
felt like when you're in those nightmares where you're punching
and your punches are slow. You know what I'm saying?
It was like that because he was punching and I couldn't bring my
hand up to block. It was stuck in one position.
So it was like it was an absolute nightmare and it lasted
for 2 1/2 rounds and then after one full round of just eating
punches to the face, I was like, OK, well now I need to just work
with one, one hand. Cross block and.
Yeah, I was. I was trying to cross, I was
trying to cross block it and I ended up doing it the last
round. But before when when it right
when it popped out, I was just eating shots because I was like
I was like damn put come up. I was trying to block and it
wouldn't. That's crazy.
Yeah, no, was it? Painful in the in the fight.
There was so much adrenaline that it wasn't painful.
It felt, it felt like, it felt like if your arm was on.
It felt like if your arm was on ice and someone chopped it off.
It just it felt like there was nothing.
It felt like there was nothing right here.
When did you get hit with the pain?
Dude, after the fight, listen, I don't do drugs.
I've never done drugs, OK? I've taken Tylenol, OK?
I've never done any sort of like, you know, me, I've never
drank, I've never smoked. I don't know what it's like.
I don't even really swear really.
I don't drink soda. I don't drink soda.
So I don't know what it's like to live, you know, anything.
And I'm saying all that to say, as soon as the fight was over, I
had to go to the ER because they had to take a look at whatever
and they they gave me a Percocet, OK?
I heard I heard Percocet and I was like, that's a that's a
drug. That's a drug.
I'm not supposed to do that, but I took it because as soon as I
got into the hospital, that pain was insane because it wasn't
just a dislocated a dislocated shoulders Cool.
Like it's just that pops out of place, right?
That's not I don't think I don't know if that's painful or not.
It happened to me, but I had adrenaline, so I can't speak for
it normally, but it wasn't, it didn't just dislocate it.
My the to get scientific with you, the labrum tore like it
tore almost completely off. So it was like a ligament
completely tore off. It chipped the bone, It broke.
So it was all that stuff going on at one time.
It wasn't just dislocated. You think that was from you
punching it and trying to freaking?
Dude, I I was an idiot trying to punch it in.
I was trying to punch the thing back into place.
You think that might have broke it?
Dude, you're actually freaking right.
His shoulder's just out of his labrum and he's just.
Yeah, my shoulder's out and I was legit punching at it.
And then and then when I look back at that video, I'm like,
what? What an idiot.
Like if anything, it was popped down.
So if anything, I could pop like hit it up, you know what I'm
saying? But I was punching him and that
RIP the rest of it off. I was ripping the rest of it
off. He's like, shit, dude.
I was doing, I was doing the worst stuff that you could do
now, now being that. It's only funny because you're
healed now. Dude, I know.
But thinking back at it now, if right when the shoulder gets
dislocated, if the doctor says, hey, don't do this, don't do
this, don't do this. The top three do nots.
I did all three of them in the ring.
I was jumping up and down, which was popping it out.
Even worse, I was hitting it, which was probably breaking it.
And yeah, it was, it was just that was not a good time.
But they gave me the Percocet in the hospital and, and I don't, I
didn't feel, I didn't feel anything.
It just, it took away a lot of the pain I didn't feel with
because I because I don't know how like a Percocet for people
who do that stuff recreationally, just because I
don't know how it feels. Because for me, I used it for
what it was intended and it did. It took the pain and slashed it
by 50%. And I was like, yes.
And then me and Biagio went to a strip club.
Oh yeah, wow. Biagio paid for a a massage.
Haram, yeah. Dude, so bad, so bad.
And I went with my family too. We're all let's go.
Oh yeah. Shut up, Bobby.
She. Went no, not my parents dude, I
was there with my cousins. Oh.
Yeah, shut up the cousins. Yeah, no, it was.
That was fun. And yeah, just a crazy.
Oh, boys growing up. Dude, the the pain though.
Let me tell you the, the pain, the pain for that was three in
my life, that was number three, OK #2 was after surgery.
That pain was insane because I after surgery I denied all
drugs. I didn't, I didn't take anything
because they, they offered during the surgery to give me
fentanyl and I was like, Oh my God, that's the F word.
I'm not. Taking that.
I just took like I literally took ibuprofens, which did
nothing, literally nothing but that after surgery that was 2
and it was like it was like a nine pain for hours.
And it was just two days of suffering.
I was in hell. And then number one was the
other day I'm trying like I'm getting, I'm getting different
range, range back in my arm. And the other day I was they
were moving it. They were moving my arm like
this. I wanted to die.
It was terrible. This was.
Just like a few days ago. Oh geez.
So they're like, I, I can move my arm, but like, you see how
this, this arm can't do this. They're getting that range back
and they're pushing it and pushing it and pushing it and
I'm like, Oh my God, it's the worst pain.
What was the pain? Was it from the muscles
stretching or is it from? It's from the muscle stretching.
It's like basically after the surgery, it's like my arm is is
like on ice. It's, it's like frozen solid.
And when they're moving it, they're trying to move a frozen
something that's frozen, you know what I'm saying?
But it's supposed to be that way, 'cause in the surgery they
did the fixings and the screws or whatever.
But now it'll never happen again.
That injury will never happen again.
And I and I think it'll make, it'll make me stronger because
it's got like, I've got a bionic arm reinforced.
Yeah, that shoulder. Yeah, No, it's it.
It'll just never happen again because now it's it's frozen
solid where it needs, where it needs to be.
So are you? Still going to have that?
Are you still going to have that?
I'm going to be able to get this, but it's it's never going
to pop out of socket again. It's just going to be a solid
freaking. Just a Tyson.
Hook. Yeah, it's just going to be
Tyson Hooks now. What's your number one most
painful moment? Yeah, leaving coach GIF.
Yeah. That's an emotional pain.
Still hurt we. Need to talk.
We need to talk physically what's give me it doesn't have
to be 1. I can't anything in the top
three. I mean, definitely up there was
like my damn wisdom tooth and I only took one of them out.
Really. That was probably one of the
most crazy experiences I've had. You ever?
Did you get your whistle smell? I did I I got.
You went to sleep. I got 2.
I went to sleep. You didn't go to sleep.
No, yeah, that's the craziest thing, right?
Crap. Why?
I don't know, broke I'm talking. No, that's just the dude.
That dude, that, that's it at that place.
East side of Vegas. Hollywood, Hollywood dental or
whatever. Hollywood smile.
Yeah, bro, dude, you do it wide awake and he's like going, he's
he's numbing me up and like the way he's numbing me is like
killing me, bro. He's like just jam, I'm having a
needle in there and I'm like, ah, then he waits, he go and
then he starts going cuts it open.
This I. Can't believe this.
I don't even I I hate getting a feeling bro.
I felt it crack out of like my jaw like boom tooth comes out
and I just break out in the sweat.
I'm like. Oh shit, they're.
Like, OK, we got to take an X-ray.
So I stand up and I'm like this, I got to take the X-ray.
It's like this, you know, you put you bite on that thing,
boom. I bite on it.
I step off and I was like, I, I catch the lady next to me, she
catches me too. I sit down.
She's like, you OK? I say yeah, yeah.
I just. Why didn't they put you to
sleep? I have no clue bro that's crazy.
But then the next days after that was like the worst.
I don't. I don't take pills at all
either. Like that was the worst pain I
ever felt. Yeah, they saving money so he
doesn't have to to have an anesthesia, is there?
No, dude. Wide awake, bro, wide awake.
Oh my God, that's. Terrible.
Yeah, like I was watching him cut me open, felt him freaking
tugging, tugging on the damn tooth, felt the tooth come out.
I heard the tooth come out and then.
You weren't like spitting up blood or anything?
Well, they had the thing in there.
Too. Yeah, yeah.
The water and the. Dude that's the worst.
I hate anything teeth related. Yeah, I'm good.
I got the worst teeth too. Dude, I don't know how you do
that. That's pretty bad.
If I ever I don't think I will. This one's impacted, but it's
not. I don't know.
I hope it's I don't know. I don't think I'm ever going to
do it again. I'll just deal with the pain
probably. Yeah, dude.
Because these have space you. Just do.
Go to sleep. Go to sleep.
But when I was scared removed, it didn't.
It didn't hurt at all. And then the days afterwards was
just like, like, like annoying, uncomfortable.
Yeah, it was nothing. Seriously.
Can't eat dude, that's why. Or you shouldn't Eve.
Yeah. It is insane.
Yeah, I did get a like a lemonade a couple days after and
I tried to drink it. Oh.
Pop, I had to, I had to open the.
Cover and drink it like that. Do you remember when waking up
from your wisdom teeth? Yeah, yeah, I, it didn't really,
it didn't really, it didn't really affect me really.
I don't know why. I don't know why.
Maybe it's because I don't, I don't do like the drugs and
stuff. But when I woke up from the
anesthesia, I, you know how you see some videos of people being
like, oh, and acting stupid? I wasn't like that at all.
I was just, I woke up and I was like, oh wow, this.
Is the best thing in my life. Yeah, let's go home.
That's it. And yeah, it was just a normal,
a normal experience. Were you bleeding?
I was bleeding a lot. Like I I remember spitting up a
bunch and trying to like walk around.
I didn't bleed out of my arm. That's crazy.
Yeah, No, I had AI, had a good experience.
I think mine clotted yours. You probably popped your claw or
whatever. Yeah, I was trying to hit on the
nurse. Mine was good mine mine like
mine didn't bleed too crazy and and in mine and I was awake.
Wow, that's wild. That is, that's bad.
How does the career pan out from here?
The step up in competition? How do you pace it?
I don't that's up to like top ranks, matchmakers and stuff,
but it would be, it would be like every fight I've had so
far, it's been a little step up in competition each time.
And it's just going to keep being that way until once you
hit contender status and you're fighting contenders, then you
can't go backwards. But once that point comes, then
then you're fighting after contenders, you're fighting
champions. So and then there's no where to
go higher from that in terms of competition.
So that's, that's I'm at the point now where I'm just
building up to the contender point.
Yeah, hey, rock the Sean O'Malley path, bro.
Freaking make your money, fight, you know, guys that people will
never hear about. And then, then they'll be the
yeah, then they'll be the Champions.
Yeah, because I only have 11 fights.
Yeah, build that regular. Like why isn't he fighting
Canelo next? And I'm like.
People are retarded bro. I'm like, yeah, why am I not
fighting Canelo next? That's a good question.
But yeah, no, everything's slow and, and especially in boxing, I
don't know how it's different with MMA, but in boxing it's
it's a slow build up for sure. Because you have a bigger name
than the general upcoming prospect.
No, you know what, it's because of the name stuff.
I have heavier competition sooner than expected.
Like if you look at some Canelo's my literal number one
favorite fighter. And if you look at Canelo's 1st
20 fights, our first 15 fights, at least he was fighting some
guys who had total losing records.
You know what I'm saying? Because that's what you're
supposed to do. But for me, I haven't fought one
guy with a losing record. Everyone that I fought, I fought
undefeated guys already. So I my competitions got to be a
little heavier because they're putting me on ESPNA lot and they
won't allow me to fight a a total tomato can on ESPN.
They just won't, they won't they they will not like the the state
athletic Commission will not sanction something like that.
So it's it's a little tougher, but I'm glad with the way it's
going. Is that coming with a bigger bag
though? No, literally no, it's not.
You get paid the same. That's what sucks with with
boxing, if you don't have a name for yourself, if you're not
fighting on your own in terms of like promotional companies,
you're getting what they're paying you and that's that.
It was written before I even fought, you know what I'm
saying? So my contract was written
before I even fought. That's the pay and that's that.
And that's where I'm at now. It kind of sucks, but you know,
I'm not getting paid big money for fights.
I get, I get most of the money from sponsorships and and yeah,
deals or whatever. Would those sponsorship and
outside money outweigh what you get in the ring?
A. 1000% yes, big time yeah. That's where the real money.
At it is. Like sponsorship, brand deals?
Freaking yeah. That's 'cause you have any
monthly sponsors. No, I I don't have any right
now. I don't have any.
All my sponsors are related to fights, so they come.
On fight time. Yeah.
So I have no I have no monthly requirements anymore.
There's people that do that's like if I could get something
like that, bro, people be getting monthly sponsors, you
know, they pay your, pay your rent, your mortgage, whatever,
you know, pay your bills and stuff.
That's crazy. That's that's how you, that's
how you do this stuff full time, Yeah.
Well, that's true. That's a good way to do it too.
I mean, but then once you get, once you get really big, you
they say screw the sponsorships, then you start making the that
money in a fight, you know? What I'm saying like.
What Canelo makes in a fight is way more than he makes from a
sponsor. I would I would assume because
there's no way you're making fight money from your sponsor.
Especially his fight money. What is it 30,000,040 million
like? Crazy amounts.
So it's every you're just building up and I will get to
that point where my fight purse will outweigh my sponsorships.
So why the boxing route and not MMA?
I just, I had boxing ingrained in my head from my grandfather
from since I was a little kid. I never even knew.
I mean MMA is relatively new. Like MMA wasn't around really 20
years ago, so I didn't. I had no idea what MMA was.
I had my introduction to MMA through Conor McGregor.
That's how casual of an MMA guy I am.
He does practice Muay Thai sometimes though.
Who? You, he said.
Who I do. You got all the kicks, You got a
couple kicks up yourself? No, I got AI, got AI, got a
couple kicks, but they're like one and done.
Break a kneecap. Yeah, and it's over.
But yeah, you know, I mean, that'd be that'd be cool to
actually train, you know, Muay Thai, something like that one
day just because. But I don't think I'd ever step
into a cage and fight because I'd want, I'd want to throw
hands and that's what boxing's for.
I'm just stick to boxing. Sweet science.
So who wins in a fight, you or
Biagio? If that's an unfair question
because I've been doing it way longer.
So if we got into a street fight, which would never happen,
he would have, he would have to, he would have to, he would have
to take me down. That's normally like the the
argument, right? The boxer versus the MMA guy.
He would have. He would have to take me.
Down. But he's your brother.
You know him. Like do you think he could take
you down? Anyone has a chance to Anyone
has a chance to? Take you guys wrestle.
But the fight does start standing.
This fight went up. Yeah.
I mean, listen, here's here's my forget.
Forget about Badger, because I, I, we're never going to fight.
Why do you guys do the whole Logan Paul, Jake Paul thing?
No. It's.
A big payday? I don't know.
I don't know if anyone would, My parents would hate that.
That would literally, literally that would never happen.
The the sun would freeze before you get us to fight money.
I love that though. I love that because that just
our family would No, it wouldn't happen, but a good argument is
who would win if you grabbed the greatest boxer versus the
greatest MMA guy? A lot of people say MMA, but
I've always stuck with the boxer.
Well, who would be the greatest MMA fighter that we'd select?
What? That's a good question too.
What did Mike fight at? Tyson.
Yeah, normally he 2 everywhere 20 ish yeah 220.
Did he ever get down to like two O 5 Even?
So I would say Jon Jones versus Mike Tyson, something like that.
That's a good question. And I would I would say Jon
Jones. Would White Mike Tyson prime
Mike Tyson too? But here, here's the here's the
deal with We can't pick Jon Jones.
We. Can't, but he's like the
greatest. Yeah, we just can't pick him
though. He's too good.
We can't do that. It's unfair, GSP.
Let's say GSP. If you grab, if you did grab,
OK, let's do this. Let's do this.
If you grab, let's let's talk. Let's talk.
Let's talk like Conor, right? Conor McGregor in his prime
versus Javonte Davis in a street fight.
I don't think Conor McGregor wins.
Oh, I might take Conor, like Eddie Alvarez, Conor.
The best Connor. The best Connor.
I might take him because he could keep him a lot of.
People, a lot of people would, I just, I don't think when it
comes to, when it comes to street fights, they always start
with the hands and you've got to get through the hands to get to,
you know. I think Connor would.
I think Connor would keep him and leg kick him right out the
gate. Out the gate.
That's how I would see, yeah. Or even one of those spinning
kicks. Deep leg kick, wheel kick, I
think he would keep his distance.
His old wheel kick, I think he would keep his distance.
Boom boom. And like Javonte would have to
get flustered by that stuff. Yeah, I, no, I see what you guys
are saying. It's that when it comes down to
that argument, it would be Connor would only win if he
stayed outside. Yeah, at leg distance, if he did
go try to go for the takedown that that it would be less
likely for it. It would be not advantageous
because the closer you get to tanks hands, you're you're in
trouble. So Connor, Connor would probably
win if it was if he just kicked him and just kicked him and
kicked him till he till the fight was over.
You know what I'm saying. But other than that, I think the
box, the boxer normally wins. If he tries to, If he tries to
engage hands at all. Any at all, it's done.
And then dude, when it comes, when it comes to MMA fighters
and just people in general, they're going to engage with
their hands because it comes down to ego and they're going to
be like, I can, I can punch just as good as you can.
And no, you can't not, not in the tank versus Conor situation,
you cannot do that. Yeah, I don't even think about
kicking first, honestly, because I want to keep my feet on the
ground. That's what I'm saying.
So every when it when it comes to an MMA guy versus a boxer.
They make a good point. They're always the MMA guy is
always going to be like, hey, this guy throw his hands, I
throw hands better and then they're going to want to punch
and they will lose that I. Think that's all of us thinking
because we love striking in here, but there's a lot of MMA
guys that are going to shoot first things if they.
If they're disciplined, if they're disciplined and they're
like, I'm not going to win the hands, I will shoot, then they
they could win and. They take them down, there's so
many black belts out there, they just know.
Like why would I even risk breaking my hand?
Yeah, no. And if they do that and if they
take them down, they're winning. They're winning.
Yeah, 99%. If they, you know, if it goes to
the, if it goes to the ground, what, what is the boxer going to
do? You know what I'm saying?
It's. But that's if it it's if it
gets. There, just catch Javonte Davis
in an ankle lock or something. I want to see Caleb plant in a
street fight. I feel like he'd be he'd be good
in a. Slaps people he's.
Just. Fun people, yeah.
And he used to kickbox. Right.
Yeah, I feel like yeah, no, he did.
Yeah, I did. Like Taekwondo coming up.
I saw. That I saw a clip of that.
That's crazy. He would do great in a street.
Fight I. I feel like he would be the
perfect partner for a rumble. No, he would do great.
Like let's go me and me and plan.
Just boom, yeah, oh, let's go plan.
Let's link up. Let's go, let's go, barf.
Right in the strip. No, that's yeah, that's dope.
Yeah. No, but I, I say most of the
time for street fights, I, I side with the boxer.
I'm biased though. That's what I would do I.
No, you kind of, you kind of got my thinking going there now I'm
like, I can see it. I can see it.
But the most complete package would be someone like Caleb
Plant, who who can kick and who has crazy hands.
Like box at the highest level. Yeah, there's nothing that
there's nothing that someone on the street could could do.
They could try to go for a takedown, but they would get,
they'd get kicked, they'd get. Hit.
Like it? Wouldn't work.
What's that like an elite boxer? My my size?
Is that Loma then? You're in Loma territory, dude.
So yeah. What Loma can wrestle?
What's your next fight at? Loma can wrestle too, 125.
No, you're in. You're in the oya in a way.
You see. Oh.
And that's freaking yeah, he's the monster.
If we squared up in the street, oh, I'd double leg right out the
gate. But if you didn't know, if you
didn't know who he was. That's that's different.
That's the problem. Yeah, I would definitely try to
bang with him and I would who I would probably go to sleep.
'Cause he's insane. Yeah, dude, you're in, in a way
territory. Fuck, that's a bad man.
Yeah, he's amazing. He's he's.
Probably on steroids though dude.
Let's be honest, whatever. There's somebody you can't beat.
Let's be honest on steroids. Dude, you know what sucks?
All of Japan is on steroids. It seems like all fighters are
on They they are. They are.
Or some Yeah, with some masking agent.
Guys like us though, we do a natural we.
Are I'm, I'm telling you right now, you can never, you can
never get me to take some. I don't even take Tylenol.
What makes you think I'm going to take steroids?
Yeah, I take. Tylenol, he's kind of.
I don't. No, I.
Mean is I take I take whey protein and even with even with
that I've got to like look at the label stuff.
Certify, yeah, there's no ostyrin or anything.
Just don't eat that. Freaking.
What did you think about that whole situation with Rice?
We were on different sides. I was not rooting for Rice at
all. Not like Ryan.
Yeah, I I just. I wasn't rooting for him.
I. Obviously he's supposed to
convert, right? Convert what to over to team
Ryan? No, dude, he.
Won. No, dude, I'm not converting.
I I was rooting for Devin. I was, you know, and then I was
even more pissed that he tested positive.
I don't think that's real, bro. I think it is.
I don't think that's real, I. Don't think it's from his
supplements. I think they're just trying to
get him. No, I I think he I think he
legitimate because if, if it wasn't real, like if, if they
legit were lying to him, he could take it to court and sue
them for millions defamation crazy.
But he didn't do any of that. He didn't do any of that.
So I'm like he's he didn't even really put up a fight to like
combat it. He really just ran to Twitter.
Yeah, you're that's a really good point.
That's a very good. But if you think about wrestler
Yo Romero, he won $20 million from his supplement.
Dude that was tainted if. If, if, if Ryan legit was
innocent, totally innocent, 'cause he's in a 2 year ban
right now. If he was totally innocent and
they were lying, he would be, he would make $50 million in a
lawsuit. But he, he didn't even, he
didn't even go that route. And it was so, it was so like
publicized that yeah, he would win so much money.
Can you imagine? Just.
Suing someone and. Getting, yeah, even the
defamation side of it. Yeah, there's so there's so
many, but he didn't he didn't do that.
Which bring I I never thought. I thought when as soon as they
said he tested positive, I didn't even I didn't even
question. I was like this guy.
That sucks. But.
I don't think, I don't think he cheated.
Yeah, a lot, a lot of people say that.
A lot of people say that, but I'm not a Ryan Garcia fan, so.
We normally agree on a lot. I know we do.
This is the one. Thing that we're like.
Well, he, I knew that before the fight.
I knew that before the fight he was going for Ryan.
I was like, OK, we're going to just have to see.
We were, I was texting you during the fight.
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, it's just different,
you know, everyone's on a different side with.
That's an interesting 1 though because a lot of people that's
5050 split. Yeah, because I think he's just
playing the world. He, yeah, he's a troll.
He's a. Troll.
He's been a social media kid his whole life.
Yeah, he's a troll. And and I just, I just don't
like trolls. I I just don't like trolls.
No, you're a real life troll though.
No, I'm yeah in real life. No, you're a real life troll
bro. He'll be trolling people right
to their face bro. I love it.
Yeah. But yeah, no, it's, I don't
know, maybe I'm like a hypocrite too.
No, you're you're, you're not a social media troll.
Yeah, I just anything social media related, like when it
comes to these guys, they're like little girls with their
social medias. It's so annoying.
I I hate that so much. If it was up to me, I wouldn't
have any social media. Same same.
I wouldn't, but you know, as fighters you literally have to.
It's our money, you. Literally have to damn.
Before we get out, did you see the meme that came out for your
last fight? I believe it was the last fight
where they said what's up with this, what's going on?
Top Rank Nico's wearing regular 10 oz gloves and the opponent's
wearing, like I saw, bopper gloves.
I saw that I saw. Is this real?
Yes. I didn't see it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this there was a dude trying
to create a conspiracy. Watch this.
It's just a picture. A guy was like, a guy was like,
they gave Nico small gloves and they get that that fold that
looks terrible in that in that one.
But this is really the gloves he wore though.
Those are the gloves he wore. But like, I'll show you like
other pictures he wore, he wore like we can get, let's get down
to it real quick, OK? I wore Grant's Grant gloves,
which are the most expensive boxing gloves you can.
Wear they're 9. $100 to wear. OK what?
Yeah, they're because they're punchers gloves.
It's like 9. Don't quote me on that.
It's between 7:00 to 900 just to wear them in the fight.
In the fight. That that's how much they cost
Fight Night, you know? Yeah, dude, it's expensive.
So no one wears grants because they're that expensive.
OK, but I'm with I'm with like we work together now, me and
Elvis Grant. So I wore them, he wore the
opponent wore ever Everlast MX gloves, which are horsehair.
They're thick. They're the thicker gloves,
right? And I wore those many, many
fights. They're thicker.
They are thicker. But you, you get to pick your
glove, you know, you as a boxer, you get to decide what gloves
you want to wear and not wear. He didn't just show up the night
of the fight saying, oh, these are the gloves I'm wearing, OK.
Like he you know what gloves you're going to wear.
You know what I'm saying? So what I think is he may have
picked bigger, bigger gloves because that those gloves do
have more padding, just the way that they're built.
I think he picked that because it's easier to block shots.
And he knows I'm a puncher because we had fought before and
he got he did the chicken dance in the middle of the ring when
he got hit with a left hook. So he knows I can punch.
So I think he decided to wear a little bit thicker gloves for
that fight. I did that.
I wore those exact gloves that he wore in the fight before
that. So I know what I know what
they're for. They're for blocking, but people
were trying to make a a whole case for that.
Grants are for punching too. Grants are for.
Punching. They hurt.
When you get hit by a grant. Dude, you can.
You can tell. You could tell someone.
You could tell the kind of fighter someone is by the gloves
that they wear. Yeah, yeah, as a boxer.
But I would have to wear winnings because I would break
my. Hand, I was going to say that
I'm telling you, you can, you can tell someone, you can tell
the kind of fighter by the gloves that they wear.
If they wear winnings, you can tell that.
I mean, winnings are hard to tell because winnings are
amazing, but they're more protective for the user.
Yeah, that's that's why I wear them.
So it's winnings are hard. You don't.
You don't see a lot of people wearing winnings in pro.
How much does that cost? I don't know winnings.
Winnings are the most expensive training gloves.
I just bought a pair, dude, it hurt.
Just a pair of gloves is 800 dollars, $900.00.
But yeah, no, you can tell a lot.
And then when it comes to the grants, that's a puncher's
glove. They're they're literally
smaller, technically they're compact, they're way more
packed. In the way, yeah, they're.
Packed in, there's more, there's more of a risk of of hurt or
breaking something like if if your hands aren't stable,
there's more of a risk in smaller, more compact gloves.
But you know, he wore, he wore, you know, thicker, thicker
gloves. If anything, I think he had
because some people were saying Niko's wearing 10 oz and that
guy's wearing 16 oz gloves. And I'm thinking how would, how
would the Commission like let that happen?
But even if his gloves were like actually bigger, like if they
gave him like fourteens or twelves, I feel like that's more
of a, that's more of it of an advantage because he, he could
block my shots bigger, you know what I'm saying?
But we, we could test it out, you know, we could get, get
someone to fight in tiny grants and get someone to fight in 16
oz gloves. I'll, I'll fight in 16 oz and
we'll see. But it's, it won't go.
You know how people expect. What's your favorite genre of
music? Rap all I.
Listen to is rap. We were top five rappers of all
time. Who of all time or my favorite,
who are your favorite? 5 My favorite.
My favorite is. Travis Scott right now, and I
know that's like very like everyone loves him and I hate
being a part of the same just sheep group.
But I've I've listened to Travis Scott for so many years and I've
just I love his stuff. Travis Scott, Kid Cudi.
Oh, fire fuck with Cudi. Yeah, I love Cudi.
OK, hold up. I got it down right now. 5,
right? Travis Scott, Kid Cudi, A$AP
Rocky Flaves on his new album. What?
Dying to hear. OK, let's go.
And then we got two more. Who are my last two?
Help me out. This is yours ASAP.
Cuddy. Travis Met.
Does Metro Boomin count? He presses buttons and makes
beats. Yeah.
He's got Kanye. West Guy.
Or AI forgot about Kanye. Of course he's he's.
On the greatest top five list, so I'll say I'll say Kanye and
then damn, are you scared to say Drake right now?
No listen, Drake. Drake.
I think Drake is in the great category.
Literally. I liked Kendrick for a minute.
I'll put Kendrick on my list. He's he's in my top five.
Did he win the battle 100,000? Percent, yeah, but I.
Think, I think when it comes down to making music, Drake,
Drake is Drake is in the the the GOAT category.
I, I think every song he drops is number one.
Every single, every single song he drops is getting played by
everybody. Everyone loves it, so he can't
miss. He lost the battle with
Kendrick, of course, but overall, like in turn, he's one
one of the greats in in rap. I think as crazy as it sounds,
he's in my top five. No, you can't disagree with.
That yeah, because. You just look.
Look at the numbers. He's just dropped, like
everything he drops is just a legitimate hit, right?
It's like every year there was a.
Anthem by Drake By Drake. Yeah.
And you're just like playing that song you got.
To think about it like. This if if one.
Rapper were to and Kanye's in the top five greatest of all
times. If one person just never
existed, how much would that change rap if Drake just ceased
to exist, that it would change rap so much because everyone
listens to him. Like I can go on the radio right
now and listen for 20 minutes and Drake will pop up at some
point because he drops every year there's a new Drake hit.
So if he just didn't exist, it would be it would be a different
a different rap world. And he's put so much people on
too, like, I mean. Think about like Kendrick back
on the Take Care album, right? Yeah.
And the name of the freestyle that came out and then the
weekend on that album, The weekend.
I'm sorry, the weekend. Hold up.
I. Totally forgot he's in He's he's
not a rapper. OK, I would say musician, but
he's in my top five. He's in my top three.
Love the weekend, love the week. What's your favorite the weekend
song? Dude, there's there's too many.
There's too many. Listen, blinding lights.
Blinding lights became an anthem so quick.
So I'll, I'll, I will say blinding lights just for the
sake of this conversation, because that became an anthem
fast. But yeah, no, those guys are the
best, the D best. I love Travis Scott, A$AP Rocky,
Kid Cudi, the weekend. And who else did I name?
Yeah, yeah. Did you say Yeah, I.
Said yeah, yeah, yeah. And his new stuff is good, too.
He's been dropping vultures. Vultures.
Yeah. I mean, they shelved the
vultures too for some. Reason, which is crazy.
They did, yeah. They're not going to release it.
That's weird, but yeah, Other than boxing, what do you enjoy
doing? All I do is watch movies and
play video. Games you don't do magic no
more, dude. I did magic so much and.
During COVID, Big Magic guy bro dude I locked in.
I locked in. On Magic.
Tricks and COVID and I was, I was able to astonish people.
But was it awful? And This is why I say he's a
trick. This is why I say he's a trick.
Bro. Anyone.
Anyone all all forms of people. I was able to just put them in
all, but I've got like ring rust now with the magic, with the
cards. So it's been a minute.
It's been a minute and I. Just, you know.
Maybe a comeback will happen one day, just that you might have to
go hit up a pool party after this and.
And bust some magic out, dude. I would bring.
I would I you. Saw I would bring I had like a
you know, you know, you would always have a deck of cards I.
I would always have cards, but. It's like when.
A gun has a. Holster I had a holster for a
deck. I was ready and I would pop that
thing out and push the thing and I would be like, OK, so let's
get this thing started and then pick a cart.
Dude. I would, I was and he was just
like, I don't know if this is. Going to work dude.
I would let magic. I would let the magic.
Do its work and I would shock you.
I would shock you. I still know about tricks.
I would shock you. But yeah, I was I was great at
one point at the measure tricks. No one could do a magic trick.
No civilian could do a magic trick card trick to me.
And I won't know what's going on.
No one. I promise you, you put in work.
I've I've. Seen so many videos.
I've done my research, I've done, I've watched my my film.
I know, I know I'll be able to do that some someday.
Do you ever stream any video games or anything like that?
I would never stream, I'd get cancelled so fast.
Some of the stuff I say really, yes.
I can't imagine you don't think you would get an even a bigger.
Following from that, I would love to stream one day.
I would just have to. Be censored like crazy.
Somebody just there. Just yeah.
No, no, I would just have to be or I would just have.
To be on my best behavior because I I, I say some crazy
stuff. Sometimes that's what the people
can't even imagine. Though I know people love.
That, but then you grab one. Clip of that and.
Then you're like, Oh my God, this guy's a monster.
Yeah, I'd end up in a mental hospital if I started streaming.
We'd have a good time if. You got on.
Oh man, I want. To.
I want it so bad but. Yeah, yeah, it would eat my life
up. Yeah.
Damn. I don't have a big addictive
personality, but when it comes to games, Oh, I'm stuck.
No, I feel you. I'm the same way.
I That's all I do. Outside of outside of the gym,
Like when I'm in camp it's video games and gym, Video games and
gym. Maybe I should start playing
then? It keeps me.
It keeps me off the streets. I'm not, I'm not going to the
club. I'm not.
Going to the bar, I'm not going to, you know, people's houses.
I'm literally playing video games and training and video
games and training. I might need to do that.
But I mean if you streamed. Off of it and didn't.
Go too wild. There's a huge revenue stream
there, especially with your following.
I would love, I would love to stream it one day that.
Would that would actually be a lot of fun because I really do
enjoy playing, playing games. I just get, I get really upset
at them. They would love that people
would love. That that sounds so
entertaining. That would be fun.
I would, I would definitely. I would love to stream.
At some .1 day. That would be fun.
I can't imagine you being crazy.
Yeah, dude, it's yeah. Dude, one day let's make it
happen. I've I've seen so many streamers
that just do awesome. Let's set up right here.
Just jam dude. 7-8 figure bags. Like it's crazy.
I know. Wow.
Yeah. Hey.
Yeah, let's set it up one day. One day I will You put the seed
in my mind. So I'm thinking about it one day
for sure. I can't wait to see that.
For now, where can everybody? Find you on their socials
Instagram. Nico Ollie Walsh and ICO
ALIWALSH and I think it's the same thing anywhere, honestly.
If, if they can't find me, if I spelled my name wrong.
If you just look up Nico Ollie Walsh on Google and you look up
Instagram, I'm sure you will find it.
He's that famous. No, I mean I could look.
Up. You know, I could look up Poony.
Yeah, Instagram. I will find your Instagram if
I'm looking. You know, there's stalkers out
there. OK, if, if I told you A10, if I
showed you A10 girl that looked amazing and I said, hey, her
name's Candace, friggin I don't know.
And you, you'd find her Instagram, you'd find it, right?
And they got, you could find, they got the Instagram
detectives, right? Yeah.
No, there's everyone's an Instagram.
Detective, it's easy. You just look up the name.
I'm easy to find. I got a story that I don't.
Even want to say if you could maybe cut it out after OK, but
it's so. Freaking.
Easy, I do it all the. Time.
I do it all the time because I'm not good at Instagram with
posting stuff. I have people help me with that
now. But if I want to find someone, I
will find someone. I will do my best.
I will find someone. The Internet's too big.
Yeah, And everyone. 'S on Instagram everyone.
'S talking on Twitter something? Yeah, doing something.
So. Yeah, wild.
Well, we appreciate you coming in, of course.
Yes, of course we got legend. Future world champion?
Yes. Sir, One and only Nico Olli
Walsh. Yes, signing off.
Yes, Sir. See you guys next time.
We're still friends. We're still friends.