1 00:00:03,700 --> 00:00:05,300 Hello and welcome to the program. 2 00:00:05,300 --> 00:00:10,300 You have a warning, today's topic been rich and Skunk Works. 3 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:14,100 That's right. Ben rich and Skunk Works. 4 00:00:14,700 --> 00:00:18,100 Now, this is some of the stuff that goes back door back to the 5 00:00:18,100 --> 00:00:21,800 1940s. Of course, Ben Rich has passed 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:26,100 away back and I believe, 1995, but I think it's important to 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,700 talk about this subject because it plays such an important Merle 8 00:00:30,700 --> 00:00:36,300 and modern-day UFO lore. And it's important that we talk 9 00:00:36,300 --> 00:00:41,200 about the Big Time Players, some of them still with of us, some 10 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,900 of them and passed on. But as we examine this idea of 11 00:00:45,900 --> 00:00:50,400 UFO technology, back-engineering the Deep State, these are the 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,300 players names who keep coming up over and over again. 13 00:00:54,300 --> 00:01:00,100 And it's a good thing to at least have an idea of who they 14 00:01:00,100 --> 00:01:03,900 they are and what they're about. Sometimes, their importance can 15 00:01:03,900 --> 00:01:07,300 be a little overplayed, sometimes it can be completely 16 00:01:07,300 --> 00:01:10,500 under plate. But as we begin to take a look 17 00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:14,400 at the UFO Saga, we see all of these actors enter woven 18 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,600 together over time, and it really does create a fascinating 19 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,300 tapestry of have a fax places named States. 20 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,500 It can get a little confusing sometimes, but if we just stop 21 00:01:26,500 --> 00:01:29,700 and take a podcast down then to talk about who some of these big 22 00:01:29,700 --> 00:01:31,800 time. Just some of these big-time 23 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,500 players war and still are, it helps us as we try to get our 24 00:01:35,500 --> 00:01:39,300 mind around, what's going on in the UFO field today. 25 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,500 Now, I found the first article here from Wikipedia because it 26 00:01:42,500 --> 00:01:45,700 seemed to be the most, you know, I don't use Wikipedia a lot. 27 00:01:45,700 --> 00:01:48,900 But sometimes it is a good repository for this sort of 28 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:51,300 stuff. You don't have to believe every 29 00:01:51,300 --> 00:01:54,400 word that's written here. But in general, when it comes to 30 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,000 this kind of thing, they will get some of the facts down to 31 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,400 kind of give us a launching pad for where we're going and This 32 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:05,000 one article is linked at the Twitter account, UFO, warning 33 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,500 course you can get there by going to sub. 34 00:02:08,699 --> 00:02:13,500 Warning UFO, excuse me, at warning sub UFO, at warning sub 35 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:17,800 UFO, and way there do a fall. Now, it says here skunkworks 36 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,700 says, skunkworks is an official pseudonym for Lockheed Martin's 37 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,100 Advanced development, programmer, ADP formerly called 38 00:02:26,100 --> 00:02:28,400 Lockheed Advanced development projects. 39 00:02:28,900 --> 00:02:32,600 It is responsible for a number of aircraft designs including 40 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:39,400 the you to the Lockheed SR-71. Blackbird the Lockheed 117 41 00:02:39,500 --> 00:02:45,800 Nighthawk Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and Lockheed Martin F-35 42 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,200 lightning to which are used in the air. 43 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,600 Forces of several countries. Its name was taken from the 44 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,500 Moonshine, Factory in the comic strip, Lil Abner, the 45 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:57,800 designation Skunk Works or Skunk Works. 46 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,500 One word is widely used in business, engineering and 47 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:04,200 Technical fields to designate a group within an organization, 48 00:03:04,500 --> 00:03:07,900 given a high degree of autonomy and unhampered by bureaucracy. 49 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,500 With the task of working on Advanced or secret projects, of 50 00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:15,100 course. This is the idea from which 51 00:03:15,100 --> 00:03:19,200 people, develop the notion that Lockheed Martin was back, 52 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,100 engineering UFOs. And this kind of goes along with 53 00:03:23,100 --> 00:03:27,800 Bob lazarre's story that he was back engineering UFOs. 54 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,000 Now it says here under history, it says there are conflicting 55 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,900 observations about the birth of Scott Gore's been rich and Kelly 56 00:03:35,900 --> 00:03:39,200 Johnson set. The origin is June 43 in 57 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,400 Burbank, California, they relate, essentially, the same 58 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,200 ecology and their autobiographies theirs is 59 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:50,400 theirs, is the official Lockheed skunkworks story and it says, 60 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,300 the are technical service command are atsc. 61 00:03:53,700 --> 00:03:57,900 The Army Air Force met with Lockheed aircraft Corporation to 62 00:03:57,900 --> 00:04:00,200 express its need for a jet fighter. 63 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:03,600 A rapidly growing German jet threat gave Lockheed an 64 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,900 opportunity to develop an airframe around the most 65 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:11,100 powerful jet engine. That Allied Forces had access to 66 00:04:11,300 --> 00:04:14,400 the British Goblin. Lockheed was chosen to develop 67 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,100 the jab because if it's passed interest in jet development and 68 00:04:18,100 --> 00:04:21,399 its previous contracts with their, with the Air Force one 69 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:25,300 month after atsc and lock in the Lockheed meeting. 70 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:27,800 The young engineer Clarence L, Callie Johnson. 71 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,200 And other associate Engineers hand-delivered, the initial xp80 72 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,600 proposal to atsc, two days later. 73 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:38,200 The go-ahead was given to Lockheed to start development. 74 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,300 Skunk Works was born with Kelly Johnson at the helm. 75 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:46,200 The formal contract for the xp80 did not arrive at Lockheed until 76 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:51,700 October 16th 1943, some four months after work had already 77 00:04:51,700 --> 00:04:54,100 begun. This would prove to be a common 78 00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:58,000 practice within the skunkworks. May times a customer would come 79 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,600 to the skunk works with a request and on a handshake, the 80 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,700 project would begin, no contracts in place, no official, 81 00:05:04,700 --> 00:05:08,200 submittal process, Kelly Johnson and he skunkworks team design. 82 00:05:08,300 --> 00:05:13,900 Signed and built the xp80 and only 143 Days Seven fewer than 83 00:05:13,900 --> 00:05:16,700 was required. That's pretty incredible. 84 00:05:16,700 --> 00:05:18,600 We think about it here. These individuals are working 85 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,700 with us government to develop that Jack technology at the very 86 00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:26,300 beginning actually, before the beginning of World War Two. 87 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,100 So this project Skunk Works for Lockheed Martin goes back, a 88 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:32,400 long way. And we can see of course that it 89 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,600 was based at the very Foundation, we have some super 90 00:05:36,700 --> 00:05:39,900 smart Engineers there. Developing much of the 91 00:05:39,900 --> 00:05:44,500 technology we see in Aerospace and in the Air Force warplanes 92 00:05:44,500 --> 00:05:48,300 today and it goes on and then it has a little article, a little 93 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:51,800 history here at talks about 1955 the skunkworks received a 94 00:05:51,808 --> 00:05:56,500 contract from the CIA to build a spy plane known as the you to, 95 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,300 with the intention of flying over the Soviet Union and 96 00:05:59,300 --> 00:06:02,400 photographing sites of strategic interest. 97 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,600 I think about that. That's 1955 when they built the 98 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:14,400 U-2 spy plane. 1955. 65 years ago, imagine the technology they 99 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,800 have today. 65 years later we go on here, says Kelly Johnson head 100 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:24,100 of the skunk works until 1975. He was succeeded by Ben rich. 101 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,500 In 1976, the Skunk Works began began production up here, 102 00:06:27,500 --> 00:06:30,800 stealth technology, demonstrators for the US or Air 103 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:36,300 Force named have blue in building. 82 at Burbank, these 104 00:06:36,300 --> 00:06:38,000 skill down, demonstrators built in. 105 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,700 Only 18 months, were a revolutionary step. 106 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,700 Kept forward and Aviation Technology because they're 107 00:06:43,700 --> 00:06:46,500 extremely small radar cross-section. 108 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:50,400 After a series of successful flights, beginning 1977 the Air 109 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,300 Force, awarded Skunk Works contract to build the F-117 110 00:06:54,300 --> 00:07:00,000 Stealth fighter on November 1st, 1978 1978, they started that 111 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,400 project. And remember the stealth 112 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,500 fighter, of course, it has a composite materials and the 113 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:10,300 design to evade radar a design. It's so complicated. 114 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:14,400 And So hard to fly that they have to have computers aided and 115 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,000 flying the machine to keep it near. 116 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:20,800 And remember that some of you may recall there was an 117 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,000 interview a few years ago where some of the engineers were 118 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,800 talking about the stealth fighter, and they let it slip. 119 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,900 That this thing is producing such enormous amounts, of 120 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,900 electromagnetic magnetic energy that it's warping, the 121 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:39,600 time-space Continuum, I guess you would call it around the 122 00:07:39,700 --> 00:07:43,200 airplane. That's what really prevents the 123 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:49,000 radar from from picking it out. I think that radar that that 124 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,000 conversation was cut short because that information was 125 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,700 considered classified at the time. 126 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:58,400 So just imagine these guys were building these kind of aircraft 127 00:07:59,100 --> 00:08:03,300 in 1978. There were they they had, they 128 00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:07,600 had discovered the process back in the late 70s, early 80s of 129 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,700 these of these, airships creating so much energy. 130 00:08:11,300 --> 00:08:15,600 Basically, creating a in electromagnetic envelope around 131 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,400 the aircraft. We see that. 132 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,800 Continue today with dr. Pies patents that they put in 133 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,800 for the US, Navy, the steps gotten so Advanced, whether it 134 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,100 was back engineered or whether these guys just created it from 135 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:31,300 their own, from their own work. Let's just get in the benefit of 136 00:08:31,300 --> 00:08:35,600 the doubt and say that guys, like guys, like Kelly and rich 137 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,400 just made this stuff up out of whole cloth. 138 00:08:39,100 --> 00:08:41,799 You have to admit that the technology for these planes has 139 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:46,700 gotten so Advanced and so complicated that it really does. 140 00:08:47,900 --> 00:08:53,100 It really does imitate, what we would think of Is unidentified 141 00:08:53,100 --> 00:08:55,300 flying objects, the way that it's able to move. 142 00:08:56,300 --> 00:09:04,300 The the hold out though, is The person flying the plane, you 143 00:09:04,300 --> 00:09:07,100 could create planes to do some of the things that UFOs do. 144 00:09:07,100 --> 00:09:09,300 You might be able to create machines that can travel at 145 00:09:09,308 --> 00:09:14,300 these enormous speeds and make a right angle turns, you know what 146 00:09:14,300 --> 00:09:18,600 Mach 3 or mock for reaching reaching Mach 1. 35, I think 147 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,500 they said the one UFO did but the question is how Would you 148 00:09:23,500 --> 00:09:26,600 keep the pile of Life? There would have to be some way 149 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,200 that you were keeping that environment within the plane. 150 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,700 Some kind of anti-gravity environment within the plane 151 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,800 either way these guys were doing cutting-edge stuff quarterback 152 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,500 and a in the 50s 60s, 70s. And that's been kind of a 153 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:46,400 Hallmark of the skunk works. Now you can go ahead and and 154 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:47,700 read some more of the stuff here. 155 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:50,600 It's on the link there at the Twitter account. 156 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,500 UFO morning. It's fascinating. 157 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,500 Stuff. But it's important. 158 00:09:54,500 --> 00:09:58,100 I think to see that the technology has reached such a 159 00:09:58,108 --> 00:10:03,500 level that it's, it's almost impossible to tell where human 160 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:09,400 techno technology ends and alien technology begins or perhaps has 161 00:10:09,500 --> 00:10:13,500 some say, our own human technology is so Advanced that 162 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:17,400 it's being mistaken for alien. Technology, time will tell. 163 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,400 Now, there's another article here, I want to look at because 164 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,200 Ben rich is kind of the focus here and there are other 165 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,000 players, I don't want to go back and talk about later on a future 166 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,200 podcast, but we'll see her in a minute while I'm focused on Ben 167 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,100 Rich. Okay, now, this is also from 168 00:10:32,100 --> 00:10:36,900 Wikipedia, it says, Benjamin Robert Rich Live from June 18th 169 00:10:36,900 --> 00:10:43,100 1925 the January 5th. 1995 is only 69 when he died was an 170 00:10:43,108 --> 00:10:47,000 American engineer and the second director of Lockheed Skunk Works 171 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,300 from 1975 to 1990. One succeeding. 172 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:53,700 Its founder Kelly Johnson regarded. 173 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:57,400 As the father of stealth. Rich was responsible for leading 174 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,400 the development. The F-117 the first production 175 00:11:01,500 --> 00:11:05,500 stealth aircraft. He also worked on the f-104. 176 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:10,000 You 2812 SR-71 and F-22 among others. 177 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:14,700 Now, it says, here that he was born in Manila, Philippines, he 178 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:16,600 died. Madera California, January 5th, 179 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,900 1995 869. Of course he was American 180 00:11:19,900 --> 00:11:23,900 education at UCLA. UC Berkeley, Harvard, Business 181 00:11:23,900 --> 00:11:26,800 School, and regarded as the father of the stealth. 182 00:11:27,100 --> 00:11:32,300 Now, It's a little interesting or says Rich was born in Manila 183 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:35,500 in the Philippines. He was one of five children and 184 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:39,900 British lumber mill, superintendent is music or Rich, 185 00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:43,400 and his French wife and the daughter of one of his paternal 186 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,800 grandfather's Jewish customers who lived in Alexandria Egypt. 187 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,700 The rich family was one of the first Jewish families to settle 188 00:11:50,700 --> 00:11:53,900 in Manila. Having fled the Philippines just 189 00:11:53,900 --> 00:11:57,400 weeks before, the Empire of Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. 190 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,800 They moved to the United States in You 42 were Rich, became a 191 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,700 naturalized US citizen. So you see, he moved here at 192 00:12:04,700 --> 00:12:08,000 about age 17, escaping the Japanese invasion of the 193 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,200 Philippines and 1942 were Rich, became a naturalized citizen. 194 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:15,300 He worked with his father in a Los Angeles, California, machine 195 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:19,300 shop, during WWII, and studied at the city's Hamilton High 196 00:12:19,300 --> 00:12:22,000 School after the war. He started his college education 197 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,900 when he was 21, majoring in mechanical engineering at UC 198 00:12:25,900 --> 00:12:28,900 Berkeley, followed by a Master's Degree in Aeronautical 199 00:12:28,900 --> 00:12:31,500 Engineering. Earring at UCLA instead of the 200 00:12:31,508 --> 00:12:33,900 medical field as you originally planned and he would later 201 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:37,100 complete the advanced management program at Harvard Business 202 00:12:37,100 --> 00:12:41,900 School obviously just a really smart guy. 203 00:12:42,100 --> 00:12:45,300 Now that's a little bit of the background so this guy's born. 204 00:12:45,500 --> 00:12:49,100 There it comes from the Philippines naturalized US 205 00:12:49,100 --> 00:12:55,800 citizen. But some of the things about 206 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:00,200 him, take a little bit of a turn toward High strangeness. 207 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,700 And just before I get into that, though, I want to point out, I 208 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:04,700 loaded a video here, there's a link to it. 209 00:13:04,700 --> 00:13:07,100 You can go to it from the Twitter warrant that you have a 210 00:13:07,100 --> 00:13:11,700 warning Twitter account. It's about a five minute video. 211 00:13:11,700 --> 00:13:16,200 I think it's not the History Channel, but it's another one 212 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,900 here you can go look at this video and one of the fellows, 213 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:22,700 I'm blanking his name right now. He talks about it and it counter 214 00:13:22,700 --> 00:13:29,800 that he had with Ben Rich back in the early 90s where he was 215 00:13:29,900 --> 00:13:31,600 giving a speech. And apparently he went on the 216 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,000 speaking to her after he retired from Lockheed. 217 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:41,700 And in this interview he relates that rich made a couple of 218 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:45,600 comments. One of the comments was in 219 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,500 effect stating that we now have the technology to take E.T home. 220 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,300 That's a pretty famous quote from being rich and then the 221 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:56,000 second comment, He makes he relates to that interview as how 222 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,300 after the seminar speech, whatever he'd gone to with a 223 00:13:59,300 --> 00:14:03,400 friend, he followed Rich out to his car and he questioned him 224 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,400 about this notion of the American you know the US Air 225 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,300 Force. Now being able to take E.T home. 226 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,700 In other words, having space travel technology to the stars 227 00:14:16,500 --> 00:14:22,400 and according to him, rich, rich made the statement regarding 228 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,300 this saying that. Of the fact that it would be 229 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:30,500 like ESP space travel would work like ESP that all points to 230 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:34,800 space and time are connected. That's what rich said, according 231 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,900 to him, and coming from this and this store has been repeated a 232 00:14:37,908 --> 00:14:40,400 lot, and it's on the internet, you can look it up. 233 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,600 If you just type in been Rich, quote, you'll get those quotes 234 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,000 verbatim. A lot of people have thought 235 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,900 that, that was somehow an admission from been Rich. 236 00:14:48,900 --> 00:14:52,600 That the United States had back-engineered UFO technology, 237 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:59,000 and we Were using it and that they had also paid also 238 00:14:59,100 --> 00:15:03,700 basically broken the code that we had come to understand that 239 00:15:03,700 --> 00:15:07,900 all points in time and space are connected, kind of a kind of a 240 00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:15,000 Quantum thing there. That seems like a little bit of 241 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,100 a leap to me. I don't see Ben rich as being 242 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:20,900 the kind of guy as far as I know from what I could read. 243 00:15:20,900 --> 00:15:23,600 He never disclosed, anything that was classified. 244 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,300 He kept all of his Secrets EOS until he died. 245 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,200 So I don't see that is him giving us some kind of 246 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,300 disclosure some people and I'll get to that in a minute here. 247 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:37,200 Say that was just kind of a thing he did with his speeches 248 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,400 to him. It was a little joke you know he 249 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,300 was on the speaking circuit. He's probably making. 250 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,200 Any good money at it and as they explained in our brief and I'll 251 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,100 read here in a minute, that was kind of his stick. 252 00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:50,400 He kind of read the same speech over and over again. 253 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,000 And I think that if you know anything about the speaking 254 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,000 circuit, that's what happens, whether you know, whether it's a 255 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,700 UFO conventions or, you know, the self-help people, whatever 256 00:16:01,700 --> 00:16:05,000 they seem to get into this deal, where they have a speech and 257 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,600 they keep giving the same speech over and over again and because 258 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,800 it works, and I think that was kind of what he put that tag 259 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,000 line in there was Because it worked now that's not to say 260 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:20,100 they didn't make some enormous technological breakthroughs, and 261 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:22,500 it's not to say that it's not a possibility that they hadn't 262 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:25,300 back-engineered source that. So I want to look at this. 263 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:28,200 I would recommend going to watch that video so I'll five minutes. 264 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,400 You can take a look at that and then there's a couple other 265 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:37,300 things on here. There's a little thing that was 266 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:41,100 put out by Lockheed Martin, and I think it's important, not just 267 00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:47,200 to when we talk about these icons of the UFO phenomena 268 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,200 investigation, it's not just important to read the stuff 269 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,200 about it. We find in the alternative news 270 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,600 or Wikipedia, I think it's good. Sometimes just to take a look at 271 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,100 what they say about themselves. Okay. 272 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,200 And then we can compare that as a standard in here from Lockheed 273 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,800 Martin.com, it says, been Rich The Invisible Man and the Sea. 274 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,800 Of 1972 been Rich. One of the most seasoned 275 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,300 engineers and Lockheed Martin skunkworks division. 276 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:15,000 Stood nervously outside the office of his boss. 277 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,000 Legendary Clarence, Kelly Johnson in 18 years since 278 00:17:19,099 --> 00:17:21,599 Johnson recruited Rich to join skunkworks. 279 00:17:21,900 --> 00:17:25,099 The two men had developed a unique, almost father-son 280 00:17:25,099 --> 00:17:28,800 relationship. Rich had helped his mentor, show 281 00:17:28,900 --> 00:17:32,500 Shore up, thermodynamic and propulsion issues. 282 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:35,800 With some of the junk was some of Johnson's most famous 283 00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:40,000 Nations, including the f-104 Interceptor and the SR-71 284 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,200 Blackbird and in return Johnson had taken Rich under his wing. 285 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:46,900 Letting him tag along to meetings with military 286 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:49,800 officials. Rich had come to tell Johnson 287 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,900 that he'd been offered a new position at a rival. 288 00:17:52,900 --> 00:17:56,200 Airplane manufacturer Kelly, listen shook his head, and then 289 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:01,200 offered up a secret of his own Johnson told his Protege that in 290 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,200 three years, he would be retiring. 291 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:07,200 And when he did, he plan to personally, Rich to take over as 292 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,700 director of the skunkworks operation of the Skunk Works. 293 00:18:10,700 --> 00:18:15,500 The most prestigious engineering Post in the history of Aviation 294 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,000 Rich State and Johnson delivered on his promise, helping his 295 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,500 Protege. When the post he not only 296 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:25,400 desired but richly deserved. Then it goes on and says unlike 297 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,400 Johnson. And often intimidating figure, 298 00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:31,100 the more affable Rich was more of a bridge builder, listening 299 00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:33,500 carefully to the wishes of his customers and then thoughtfully 300 00:18:33,500 --> 00:18:35,800 delegating responsibilities to turn their needs. 301 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:39,300 He's into breakthrough aircraft for military officials 302 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:42,300 accustomed to dealing with Johnson's brushed personality 303 00:18:42,500 --> 00:18:44,400 Rich, provided a different approach. 304 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,300 He quickly went over the Pentagon with a redesign of the 305 00:18:47,300 --> 00:18:50,000 divisions. Famed U-2, spy plane to meet 306 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,800 more contemporary Mission requirements. 307 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,000 And then turned his attention to selling the one plane. 308 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,000 He believed believed in more than any other. 309 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,000 The F-117 Stealth fighter rich took a great Gamble and 310 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,100 supporting his team's unusual but ultimately revolutionary 311 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:08,400 stealthy. Women shaped design, especially 312 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,300 so early in his tenure kelly, didn't like the look of it nay 313 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:16,400 Sayers, called it hopeless, diamond called it, the Hopeless 314 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,400 Diamond, but Rich pressed on confident is team. 315 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,900 Was on top, was on the cusp of a breakthrough that would render 316 00:19:22,900 --> 00:19:27,100 the aircraft practically invisible to enemy radar. 317 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:30,700 You see, this guy was way ahead of his time and time, Rich would 318 00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:32,700 prove to be a perfect manager for the project. 319 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:35,800 The Savvy salesman, encouraging team Builder and a decisive. 320 00:19:35,900 --> 00:19:39,500 I see of team leader, all-in-one dubious Engineers will quickly 321 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:42,300 given stealth 101 classes to better inform them on the 322 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:45,000 technology. So you see this, it's like this 323 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,900 type of soil, Advanced that Rich has to educate. 324 00:19:49,900 --> 00:19:53,300 The engineers were going to build it on the technology that 325 00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:56,900 they're going to be using. That's kind of perplexing. 326 00:19:56,900 --> 00:20:00,000 I mean, either, this guy was such a genius that he had 327 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,200 developed and discovered a whole new ways of doing things that, 328 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:06,700 that, that his own Engineers Smart, Guys. 329 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:10,400 Themselves hadn't, even thought of hurry guys, hands on some 330 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,100 kind of material and back-engineered. 331 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:16,600 It it really makes you wonder. It says dubious Engineers were 332 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,900 quickly. Given self 101 classes to better 333 00:20:18,900 --> 00:20:21,800 inform them of the technology later the project when the Air 334 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,500 Force requested the creation of two experimental prototypes, And 335 00:20:25,500 --> 00:20:28,700 only 14 months. He used existing Hardware from 336 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:31,400 other programs to save money and meet what was considered a near 337 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,200 impossible deadlines and when an official shoot-down test was 338 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,300 scheduled for 1979. It was rich who flew out to the 339 00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:43,000 Nevada desert and personally watched as his Invisible War 340 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,500 Bird slip past radar defenses, undetected under richest 341 00:20:47,500 --> 00:20:51,000 leadership like 81 the cell fighter competition and on June 342 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:56,500 18th, 1981 riches 55th birthday. He watched As an f-117a, 343 00:20:56,500 --> 00:21:00,400 Nighthawk took off on the first official test flight changing 344 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,300 the nature of aerial Warfare forever because honest is a 345 00:21:04,300 --> 00:21:06,400 legend in his own right by sheer coincidence. 346 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:11,100 Coincidence of first tactical strike by F 17:9 hot would occur 347 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,500 in 1991 on the same day is riches official retirement, 348 00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:18,100 banquet. One of the pilots of the 37th 349 00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:20,100 tactical Fighter Wing, who flew the planes. 350 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:24,000 First combat Mission said, he just said he dedicated the first 351 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,700 strike to Rich. Each later. 352 00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:29,100 Handing him a tiny American flag that he's set in his cock pic 353 00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:31,600 during the flight. It was a token of his gratitude, 354 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,500 his gratitude for creating the world's first invisible 355 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:37,100 aircraft. According to Rich Johnson's 356 00:21:37,100 --> 00:21:40,900 ghostly voice, nagged at him during his entire tenure Skunk 357 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:43,100 Works director. But by the time of riches, 358 00:21:43,100 --> 00:21:45,100 retirement Skunk Works was as much. 359 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:49,500 A reflection of the Protege, as the mentor riches efforts and 360 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:53,000 shaping the Night Hawk had not only won him, the prestigious 361 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,300 Collier trophy trophy in the But the respective even the most 362 00:21:57,300 --> 00:22:00,600 die-hard Kelly supporters through an unusual, mix of 363 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:05,400 optimism pluck, and old, and old fashioned intelligence Rich had. 364 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,700 Only preserved skunkworks reputation had not only 365 00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:11,200 preserves Conquest reputation, but had enhanced it. 366 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,600 We can see from that short clip there. 367 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:20,100 This guy was an incredibly, I mean, super intelligent, genius 368 00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:23,700 IQ type guy. So I have to think that he 369 00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:27,000 wasn't out, you're just popping things off the top of his head 370 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:29,500 to grab attention. He didn't need attention. 371 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,400 I mean, for crying out loud. He run the program that created 372 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:40,400 the stealth fighter. perhaps, this guy was just so smart that 373 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:45,400 sometimes he said things, That he assumed other people would 374 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:50,000 automatically understand and appreciate and maybe some of the 375 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,300 people in the UFO Community. Have taken them a little too 376 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:53,600 strong. I don't know. 377 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,100 There's one article here that talks about this a little bit. 378 00:22:56,100 --> 00:22:58,700 I'm going to go through this because there's been a lot said 379 00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:02,500 about this guy with the notion that he has. 380 00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:07,900 That he gave disclosure of UFOs. And I and I really think that 381 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,500 well, that might be true. I think it's there's not enough 382 00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:13,400 evidence to show. That's exactly what happened now 383 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:19,900 this This from nouriel hayakawa. So what WordPress is from four 384 00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:23,800 years ago and it says been Rich Miss quoted by many in the UFO 385 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,800 Community. I think it makes some good 386 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,600 points are normally, you know, I'm not the debunker type but I 387 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,700 think it's important that we consider all the evidence. 388 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:36,700 When we talk about these Giants in the UFO, Paradigm and been 389 00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:40,600 Rich, certainly is a giant, who's looked back at many times. 390 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,200 In many people, quote is one of the first government or even 391 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,200 deep State actors to give disclosure. 392 00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:52,400 And I just think that we need to be a little careful about making 393 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,200 that assumption without. Looking at all the facts not 394 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,000 says been Rich, born June 18th 1925, January 5th. 1955 was a 395 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,100 second director of Lockheed Skunk Works from 1975 to 1990. 396 00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:05,400 One seceding. Its founder Kelly. 397 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,100 Regarded as the father of stealth Rich was responsible for 398 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:13,500 leading the development, the F1 15, the first production stealth 399 00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:16,400 aircraft. He also worked on the f-104, you 400 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,400 to a 12 SR-71 and F-22 among others. 401 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,100 He is the author of skunkworks. A personal Memoir of my years of 402 00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:27,900 Lockheed now, says false unsubstantiated. 403 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:32,100 Rumors abound when it comes to miss quotes cited by many 404 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:34,700 gullible UFO. Researchers many in the UFO 405 00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:39,400 Community seem To believe that Ben Rich stated during a 1993 406 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,600 alumni speech at UCLA quote. We already have the means to 407 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,400 travel Among the Stars but these Technologies are locked up in 408 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,200 Black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them 409 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,300 out, to benefit Humanity, anything you can imagine. 410 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,900 We already know how to do now. Says they're saying here, that 411 00:24:59,900 --> 00:25:02,300 that quotes not correct. It says, this is far from the 412 00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:06,600 truth Ben Rich never said any such Thanks seriously. 413 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,200 That goes here, says from shadowhawk, Peter, Merlin, 414 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,600 August 27, 2013, Peter Merlin, and my opinion is one of the 415 00:25:14,608 --> 00:25:16,700 most knowledgeable and respected military. 416 00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:20,200 Aviation historians at the present time, I had the honor of 417 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,200 meeting him in 2005 at the 50th anniversary celebration of Area 418 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:29,400 51, which was held at the perimeters and it says, quote 419 00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:31,800 been rich is constantly Miss quoted as saying. 420 00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:34,800 We now have the technology to take E.T home. 421 00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:37,600 That is not what he said at the end of his presentation. 422 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,700 And he showed his final slide a picture of a disc-shaped craft. 423 00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:47,300 The classic flying-saucer flying into a partly cloudy sky with a 424 00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:50,000 burst of sunlight in the background and he gave his 425 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,700 standard tagline. It was a joke. 426 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,700 He had used a numerous presentations since 1983. 427 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,800 When Steven Spielberg's e.t.? The Extra-Terrestrial a film 428 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,900 about a young boy befriending a loss of vision from space and 429 00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:06,100 helping the alien. Get home had become the highest 430 00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:09,200 grossing film of all time. Rich apparently decided to 431 00:26:09,208 --> 00:26:12,800 capitalize on his. On this popularity by the summer 432 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,100 of 1983 he had added the Flying Saucer picture to the end of a 433 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:22,400 set between the end of a set of between 12 and 25 slides that he 434 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,100 showed with his lecture on the history of lockheed's famed, 435 00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:30,800 Skunk Works division, Rich had long used a standard script for 436 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,000 his talks tailoring. The content is necessary to 437 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,500 accommodate is audience since most skunks works. 438 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,300 Current projects were classified. 439 00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:43,300 It didn't matter whether he was addressing school children or 440 00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:46,200 professional aeronautical Engineers, he always ended the 441 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,100 same way a defense Symposium on future Space Systems in 442 00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:53,000 Washington, DC on September 20th 1983. 443 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,300 He said, unfortunately I cannot tell you what, we have been 444 00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:59,900 doing for the last 10 years. It seems, we score breakthrough 445 00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:04,000 at the skunkworks, every decade. So, if you invite me back in 10 446 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,800 years, I'll be able to tell you what we are doing. 447 00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:11,100 Now. I can I can tell you about a 448 00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:15,400 contract, we recently received, the skunkworks has been 449 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,000 assigned, the task of getting ET back home, the audience laughed, 450 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,700 and it the audience laughed, as it was meant to. 451 00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:26,300 So they're saying it was just a joke, it seemed something is 452 00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:29,300 successful if it is worth repeating Rich gave an identical 453 00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:31,500 speech at the u.s. Naval Academy in Annapolis. 454 00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:37,100 Maryland on September 6, 1984 and continued using his script 455 00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:39,900 during successive. Appearances, sometimes he 456 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:43,900 redefined the details a bit. I wish I could tell you that I 457 00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:45,700 wish I could tell you what else we are doing. 458 00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:47,800 And the skunkworks. You said, wrapping up a 459 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,500 presentation for the Beverly Hills, chapter of the National 460 00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:53,600 Society of Daughters of the American Revolution on May, 23rd 461 00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:58,400 1990, you'll have to come back in a few years I will conclude 462 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,000 by telling you that last week we received a contract to take E.T 463 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,700 back home. Three years later, he was still 464 00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:08,000 using the same line and the same slide. 465 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:13,900 We did the f-104, C-130 you to SR-71 F-117 and many other 466 00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:16,000 programs that I can't talk about. 467 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,000 He proclaimed during a 1993 speech at the Wright-Patterson 468 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,700 Air Force Base, Ohio home of Air Force, materiel command the 469 00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:26,700 organizational, research organization responsible for all 470 00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:29,100 all flight testing within the Air Force. 471 00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:32,200 We are still working very hard. I just can't tell you what we're 472 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,300 doing as usual. He added his by now, Infamous 473 00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:38,000 punch line, the Air Force has just given us. 474 00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:42,700 A contract to take E.T back home within the UFO Community riches 475 00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:46,000 words and additional statements. Attributed to him, without 476 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,800 Cooperative, proof have become gospel. 477 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,200 He is named as having admitted that extraterrestrial, UFO 478 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,000 visitors are real. And that the US military has 479 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,100 Interstellar capabilities. And although, nearly two full 480 00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:03,800 years passed between riches, UCLA speech and his death in 481 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,300 1995. Some Believers have touted his 482 00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:10,700 comments as Deathbed confession. It was nothing of the kind, 483 00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:13,800 Rich, a brilliant scientist, apparently believed in the 484 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,600 existence of other intelligent life. 485 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,400 In the universe though, only is something distant and mysterious 486 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,400 in July 1986 after after test your corporation model. 487 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,600 Cake designer, John Andrews, wrote asking what he thought 488 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,400 about the possible existence of either man-made or 489 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,900 extraterrestrial UFOs. Rich responded. 490 00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:34,000 I'm a Believer in both categories. 491 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,300 I feel everything is possible. He cautioned, however, that in 492 00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,800 both categories, Or he's there are a lot of cooks and 493 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,200 charlton's be cautious. When you see here it sounds like 494 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,600 he was a real smart man that in compartmentalize the notion of 495 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,500 ETS in a cheese. Whatever. 496 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,200 And that while he was open to the public possibility that they 497 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,000 existed, he certainly wasn't going to disclose that. 498 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,500 Now maybe he knew better, maybe he knew more, but this guy was 499 00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:03,400 he was top secret clearance and it sounds to me like he's just, 500 00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:08,000 you know, I mean I guess you could call this guy deep state. 501 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,500 He's definitely someone who's passed a lot of high-level 502 00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:16,300 intelligence and that type of background. 503 00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:18,300 He's not going to disclose something. 504 00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:21,500 Even if he does know it. This is a tough nut to crack. 505 00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:24,100 So. So I really the more I read this 506 00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:27,900 article, the more I see, the fact that they've been Rich was 507 00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:30,800 just a super smart guy that invented a bunch of airplanes 508 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,900 that that rental projects invented. 509 00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:37,100 Some of the that that created the most advanced aircraft we've 510 00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:40,600 ever known. He understood physics at a level 511 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,200 that was so high, he had to retrain his engineers. 512 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:50,700 But I don't see him as being. This this guy who's offering the 513 00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:54,000 UFO Community to community disclosure, I just don't think 514 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,900 that's a need that he had. I see, it's got him as being a 515 00:30:57,300 --> 00:31:01,300 super smart, super hard working guy that for the last three or 516 00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:04,400 four or five years of his life. He went around, he gave 517 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,100 speeches. He made a little extra money. 518 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:09,700 He had a lot of fun doing it, and it was, it was something at 519 00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:12,800 the ice cream and cake level. He wasn't getting into deep 520 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,800 disclosure, and as far as comments that he may, or may not 521 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,900 have made about space travel being like, ESP all points in 522 00:31:20,908 --> 00:31:23,500 time and space connected. I don't know. 523 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,100 I tell you what it looks like. He looks like one of these guys 524 00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:28,800 who's so smart that the average person couldn't have really had 525 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,500 a productive conversation with him anyway, the guys, the guys 526 00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:36,000 genius. So for him to have that kind of 527 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:42,100 a conversation was with even even say a scientist, just you 528 00:31:42,108 --> 00:31:45,800 just haphazardly seems, okay, let's just assume it happen but 529 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000 you notice it didn't go any further than that. 530 00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:51,800 It's like this guy is so smart that all of his speeches 531 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,800 directed speech. Anyway, he's not sitting down 532 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,300 having a sit-down with a bunch of UFO and that enthusiasts 533 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,200 that's not like that's not even in the picture. 534 00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:02,700 It was on a says no matter how many years have passed, since 535 00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:06,200 the last time you set it was always we just got a contract of 536 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,700 a few weeks ago. We received a contract that was 537 00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:11,400 a part of the gag making it sound like a current skunks 538 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,700 Works project but Rich kept copies of his scripts which he 539 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:17,800 re use, according to the needs of his audience, along with the 540 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,700 photocopies All the slides, including the Flying Saucer. 541 00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:23,500 So these details are easy to verify. 542 00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:27,700 What you see, he's sticking to the script and that's a smart 543 00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:30,400 thing for a guy like him to do. I mean, the last thing he needs 544 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,400 to do is get jammed up because somebody accused him of sharing 545 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,400 classified information. You can see what's happening 546 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,400 here. He's got this very kind of bare 547 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,800 bones, little thing he does, most people are probably just 548 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,000 there because their fans, they want to, they want to see and 549 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,000 maybe shake the hand of the guy that Invented. 550 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,600 The F-117, I mean, he's kind of a celebrity and this is to me a 551 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,500 celebrity tour. It's not a disclosure to her 552 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,800 says John Harrison. Now, executive director of mufon 553 00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:03,000 attended, the March 1993, lecture at the University of 554 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,300 California, Los Angeles, with fellow, UCLA engineering, 555 00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:09,800 alumnus and UFO enthusiasts Todd, Tom Keller, Keller and 556 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,800 aerospace engineer who has worked as a computer systems 557 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,400 analyst for NASA's jet propulsion. 558 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,500 Laboratory wrote about it in the May 2010 issue of mufon you 559 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,700 Tarzan recently, shared this story in January 2012, interview 560 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:27,900 with web talk radio and another Allah Alejandro Rojas of open 561 00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:33,000 minds UFO, news, investigations in July. 2013 ours on says that 562 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,900 after the lecture ended, a few people remain behind you. 563 00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:38,600 Ask questions some wanted to know more about the technology 564 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,500 to take E.T home Tarzan, says Rich initially, brushed off 565 00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:47,000 these queries, but allegedly told one engineer, you now know 566 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,000 how to travel to the Stars. We found an error in the 567 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,500 equations and it won't take a lifetime to do it. 568 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,200 I have also heard Rich, the statement, quoted his first, you 569 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,600 have to understand that we will not get to the stars using 570 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,900 chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new 571 00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:05,300 propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out 572 00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:08,400 where Einstein went wrong. Unfortunately, neither quotas 573 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,400 verifier is verifiable, but the second one sounds more like the 574 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,600 words of an engineer especially one with riches stated views is 575 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,400 outlined in his letter to John Andrews, as sings. 576 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,500 Begin to wind down after the UCL a speech rich said I've got to 577 00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:24,900 go now and started to walk out of the room. 578 00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:28,300 Harz a is pursued him and continue to ask him about the 579 00:34:28,308 --> 00:34:30,400 workings of the interstellar propulsion systems. 580 00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:33,400 It was an unanswerable question in the light of our current 581 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,199 scientific knowledge, Rich, finally, stopped and turned, and 582 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,100 then ask cars on an unanswerable question of his own. 583 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,000 Well, let me ask you how this ESP work stun, her as an 584 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,300 stammered. I don't know. 585 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:48,500 All points in space and time are connected, Rich responded. 586 00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:51,300 That's how it works. Then abruptly turned and walked 587 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:54,800 away from the tone of the exchange that sounds more like 588 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,600 Rich having been kept well, past his planned departure time and 589 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,900 tired of being pestered will simply anxious to leave and not 590 00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:04,900 that he was sharing some technological. 591 00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:07,800 Secret ours and others have interpreted riches. 592 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,800 Final comments is a tacit admission that Interstellar 593 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,100 propulsion, technology exists, that it is in the hands of the 594 00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:17,500 US scientists and that involves a specific sort of known 595 00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:20,300 equations. But taken in context and sounds 596 00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:22,800 more like Rich. Carry this joke too far and 597 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,500 talked himself into a corner is likely that he would have said 598 00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:28,900 that's how it works. No matter what her Zane's answer 599 00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:32,100 to the ESP question. Even if Rich had said, look, I 600 00:35:32,108 --> 00:35:35,200 was just kidding. It would have done it would have 601 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,400 done no good. The damage was done, then it 602 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,100 says in 1994 a year. After the UCLA lecture Rich tool 603 00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:45,600 popular make Science magazine. We have some new things at the 604 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,100 Skunk Works. We are not stagnating what we're 605 00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:50,500 doing is Dating ourselves without advertising. 606 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,500 There are some new programs and there are certain things, some 607 00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:57,200 of them 20 or 30 years old that are still breakthroughs and are 608 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,500 appropriate to keep quiet about because other people don't have 609 00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:05,000 them yet he didn't disclose or even hint at any advanced 610 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,700 Interstellar propulsion Technologies because there was 611 00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:12,300 nothing to disclose. Wow now that does sound like a 612 00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:16,500 pretty good counter argument to the to the notion that been Rich 613 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,700 was in the habit of giving. Closure about Interstellar 614 00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:22,300 travel, all these articles are fun to read. 615 00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:25,900 And sometimes, you know, when we get the information second-hand, 616 00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:31,800 it's easy to accept it or, or simply discard it I think it's 617 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,800 always good to go back, examine the facts and examine the origin 618 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,000 of the facts. And you have to admit, then Rich 619 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:44,600 was was a super smart guy. And I don't think he would just 620 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,700 been out there. You know, talking about this 621 00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:50,800 stuff flippantly as this is the last Arthur said he was. 622 00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,200 He was on the speaking circuit. He was out there and meeting 623 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,300 people just enjoying himself, probably making a little extra 624 00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:59,700 money and he was, it was not a UFO disclosure to her. 625 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,100 Now, if you like the program, of course you can stop by anchor. 626 00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:05,700 You can support the program. You can go to the Twitter 627 00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:07,600 account, you have a warning, you can do a follow. 628 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,700 I could follow backs until next time. 629 00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:13,100 This is UFO warning over and out.