1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,120 Hello and welcome to the program UFO Morning. 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,240 In this episode we're talking about alien abductions and fake 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,760 interviews. That's correct, alien abductions 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,840 and fake interviews. Now the story comes to us from 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:18,760 ufoinsight.com and the title says Bizarre Fake interviews, a 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,360 little known detail of the alien abduction phenomena, and this is 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,960 written by Marcus Louth, dated July 1st, 2023. 8 00:00:26,410 --> 00:00:29,450 Now I'll put a link at the Buy me a Coffee website and highly 9 00:00:29,690 --> 00:00:31,530 suggest that you check out this site. 10 00:00:31,610 --> 00:00:34,170 I think they've got a lot of good material over there, and I 11 00:00:34,170 --> 00:00:38,370 really like this guy's writing style, He says. 3 Alien 12 00:00:38,370 --> 00:00:42,370 Abduction 3 Alien Abductees investigated by the late Bud 13 00:00:42,370 --> 00:00:46,410 Hopkins are intriguing, not so much for the abductions 14 00:00:46,410 --> 00:00:52,010 themselves, but of a seemingly trivial detail involving bizarre 15 00:00:52,210 --> 00:00:56,330 interview scenarios that each woman experienced. 16 00:00:56,850 --> 00:01:01,250 As Hopkins investigated these curious setups further, he 17 00:01:01,250 --> 00:01:04,930 arrived at the conclusion that they are seemingly another layer 18 00:01:04,930 --> 00:01:07,570 of the alien abduction phenomenon. 19 00:01:08,210 --> 00:01:11,890 You know, I I tell you, I really feel sorry for these people to 20 00:01:11,890 --> 00:01:16,290 have to undergo this strange, stressful event, he says. 21 00:01:16,370 --> 00:01:20,610 A particular concern is the notion that these truly strange 22 00:01:20,610 --> 00:01:25,780 encounters are suggestive of an end goal of hybridization 23 00:01:25,780 --> 00:01:29,900 program being directly connected to alien abductions, and that 24 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:34,500 the people themselves were alien human hybrids carrying some part 25 00:01:34,500 --> 00:01:37,500 of the mission. To this concerning agenda. 26 00:01:38,580 --> 00:01:42,020 That might sound farfetched, but perhaps these people have had, 27 00:01:42,220 --> 00:01:45,460 you know, ancestors along the way that have been injected with 28 00:01:45,460 --> 00:01:47,660 some sort of gene by these things that are simply being 29 00:01:47,660 --> 00:01:48,620 tracked. It wouldn't mean that they 30 00:01:48,620 --> 00:01:52,950 aren't, that they aren't alien, and I think maybe the term alien 31 00:01:52,950 --> 00:01:57,550 human hybrid here might make these people sound less human 32 00:01:57,550 --> 00:01:59,230 that they are. I mean, this could simply be 33 00:02:00,270 --> 00:02:03,430 these people being farmed to say maybe they've been injected with 34 00:02:03,430 --> 00:02:07,110 something to cause their blood to produce a certain kind of 35 00:02:07,430 --> 00:02:10,550 chemical or gene or whatever that helps these aliens. 36 00:02:10,550 --> 00:02:12,110 Who knows? It goes on. 37 00:02:12,110 --> 00:02:14,190 It says. Of course, what the end goal of 38 00:02:14,190 --> 00:02:17,670 this alien human hybridization program might be is in the topic 39 00:02:17,670 --> 00:02:20,320 of debate. Are they looking to invade Earth 40 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,240 discreetly without us even being aware of it? 41 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,520 Or might they simply leave and venture elsewhere? 42 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,800 Once this program goals have been achieved, these questions 43 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,000 will perhaps have to wait for another time. 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,040 For now, we will concentrate on 3 encounters mentioned above. 45 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,160 The cases we are about to examine are documented in the 46 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,920 book Sight Unseen Science, UFO and Visibility, and the 47 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:43,040 Transgenic Beings by Carol Rainey and Bud Hopkins. 48 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,520 Of course, Bud Hopkins has passed away now, but he was 49 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,160 quite a an Allstar celebrity, you know, back in the day with 50 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:54,720 the UFO phenomenon. And at Betty Interviews it says 51 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,960 a letter from Terry Winthrop. After after preparing a 25 point 52 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,920 questionnaire on alien abduction for the December 1987 edition of 53 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:07,240 Omni magazine, Bud Hopkins, as the questionnaire had requested, 54 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,680 began receiving correspondence from people who believed they 55 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,120 had indeed been the victim of alien abduction. 56 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,040 One such response came from a New Jersey 32 year old housewife 57 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,800 and mother of three who Hopkins gave the false name Terry 58 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,520 Winthrop and for whatever reason it stood out to him. 59 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,960 In it, Terry details an account that took place 14 years 60 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,720 previously, around 1973 or 74, when she was three months 61 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,880 pregnant, and her ex-husband, when she was three months 62 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,920 pregnant at the time and her ex-husband were driving home 63 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,720 following a visit to the Jersey Shore. 64 00:03:41,420 --> 00:03:44,500 It was late afternoon and the sun was still bright and high in 65 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:46,980 the sky. Then, however, something truly 66 00:03:46,980 --> 00:03:50,260 strange happened in the letter, Terry states as follows. 67 00:03:50,540 --> 00:03:54,220 The next thing we both The next thing we both knew we were 68 00:03:54,220 --> 00:03:57,860 sitting in the parked car and it was dark and we were in a place 69 00:03:57,860 --> 00:04:00,700 we'd never been. As they grapple with what had 70 00:04:00,700 --> 00:04:03,780 happened, they came to the conclusion that there were 71 00:04:03,780 --> 00:04:06,460 around two or three hours they couldn't account for. 72 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:10,070 And what's more, they had the feeling that when they found 73 00:04:10,070 --> 00:04:13,590 themselves in the parked car, they had only waken up moments 74 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:16,829 earlier, almost as if they had been brought out of some kind of 75 00:04:16,829 --> 00:04:21,269 a bizarre trance. They could also see that they 76 00:04:21,269 --> 00:04:25,470 were in a barren sort of field, with absolutely nothing all 77 00:04:25,470 --> 00:04:28,590 around them, and with no memory of how they had arrived there. 78 00:04:29,110 --> 00:04:32,230 Eventually, after gathering their senses somewhat, they put 79 00:04:32,230 --> 00:04:35,070 the car in motion and slowly found their way back to the 80 00:04:35,070 --> 00:04:37,900 road. However, when they did, it was a 81 00:04:37,900 --> 00:04:40,820 road that they were not at all familiar with and so they were 82 00:04:40,820 --> 00:04:43,380 uncertain of which direction to set off in. 83 00:04:43,620 --> 00:04:45,980 Ultimately, they eventually found their way back to the road 84 00:04:45,980 --> 00:04:48,940 to take them home, and once there, the pair pretty much put 85 00:04:48,940 --> 00:04:52,380 the incident out of their mind. However, when Terry read the 86 00:04:52,380 --> 00:04:54,980 article that accompanied the alien abduction questionnaire, 87 00:04:54,980 --> 00:04:58,340 she had a sudden flash of memory about the incident, which 88 00:04:58,340 --> 00:05:00,420 eventually led her to contact Hopkins. 89 00:05:01,100 --> 00:05:03,460 Now, this kind of makes me think that she had repressed that 90 00:05:03,460 --> 00:05:06,900 memory until this little thing tripped her off. 91 00:05:06,900 --> 00:05:09,660 And you know, I think that does happen with people sometimes. 92 00:05:09,700 --> 00:05:12,940 If you see something traumatic, you can just suppress it in your 93 00:05:12,940 --> 00:05:16,620 mind and then it might not come back to you for years later, 94 00:05:16,620 --> 00:05:21,580 maybe after you've had time to you kind of process information 95 00:05:21,580 --> 00:05:25,540 subconsciously, I think it says. In the same letter, Terry also 96 00:05:25,540 --> 00:05:28,300 went on to detail a strange event that occurred much more 97 00:05:28,300 --> 00:05:32,340 recently in the summer of 1986. She would state that it was a 98 00:05:32,380 --> 00:05:35,930 very warm, clear, beautiful night, and she was outside, 99 00:05:35,930 --> 00:05:38,770 sitting at her picnic table and looking up at the stars. 100 00:05:39,290 --> 00:05:42,490 As she did so, she noticed a strange star that appeared to be 101 00:05:42,490 --> 00:05:46,210 throbbing and pulsating, making it appear as though it was going 102 00:05:46,210 --> 00:05:50,130 forward and backward. She watched this strange star 103 00:05:50,130 --> 00:05:53,970 for several moments, almost going into a relaxed state from 104 00:05:53,970 --> 00:05:56,570 its glow. Then, for reasons she couldn't 105 00:05:56,570 --> 00:05:59,170 explain, she decided to turn her attention to her. 106 00:05:59,170 --> 00:06:03,330 Right there, just above the next Rd. was a very large vehicle 107 00:06:03,410 --> 00:06:06,330 that was just hovering perfectly, still somewhere 108 00:06:06,330 --> 00:06:08,810 between 20 to 30 feet above the ground. 109 00:06:09,410 --> 00:06:12,090 She set up a little so she could see the object a little better 110 00:06:12,090 --> 00:06:15,130 through the trees that surrounded her garden, all the 111 00:06:15,130 --> 00:06:18,930 while thinking to herself that this can't possibly be real. 112 00:06:19,490 --> 00:06:22,450 She described the objects as being a Pentagon shape with red, 113 00:06:22,490 --> 00:06:25,410 blue-green and white lights all along the side. 114 00:06:26,090 --> 00:06:28,130 So that is a little bit different shape, you know, so 115 00:06:28,130 --> 00:06:29,850 often we hear about these flying saucers. 116 00:06:29,850 --> 00:06:34,050 But she says this is Pentagon shaped, with red, blue-green and 117 00:06:34,050 --> 00:06:36,930 white lights along the side and total. 118 00:06:36,930 --> 00:06:40,370 She watched the object for between 3:00 to 4:00 minutes 119 00:06:40,370 --> 00:06:44,370 before it moved forward slowly and up with a gradual incline. 120 00:06:44,850 --> 00:06:48,810 Then it suddenly took off real quick, disappearing from sight 121 00:06:48,890 --> 00:06:52,510 in an instant, she says, And a further twist, although the 122 00:06:52,510 --> 00:06:55,350 witness didn't sense any missing time, as she had done with her 123 00:06:55,350 --> 00:06:57,070 husband a decade and a half earlier. 124 00:06:57,870 --> 00:07:00,710 When she returned inside the house and checked her watch, it 125 00:07:00,710 --> 00:07:04,070 was much later than she thought it was, although she consoled 126 00:07:04,070 --> 00:07:06,310 herself that she was simply outside, longer than she thought 127 00:07:06,310 --> 00:07:10,070 she'd been before. Well, there you go, she goes 128 00:07:10,070 --> 00:07:11,790 back in the house. She sees clearly she's had 129 00:07:11,790 --> 00:07:13,630 missing time, but what's the first reaction? 130 00:07:13,950 --> 00:07:16,430 First reaction is a normalcy bias, she says. 131 00:07:16,430 --> 00:07:19,920 Oh, what couldn't have been. Terry would return outside front 132 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,680 of the cigarette a short time later, this time to the front 133 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,560 porch. Amazingly, the same object, or 134 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,440 at the very least an identical one, it says, appeared from over 135 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,120 her house, remaining silent as it moved, before disappearing in 136 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,520 the distance. Hopkins immediately sensed from 137 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,680 some of the details in the letter that Terry was a credible 138 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,200 witness, not least as she had at no point in her correspondence, 139 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,450 insisted that she was the victim of an alien abduction and 140 00:07:45,450 --> 00:07:48,250 questioned several times if there was a more rational 141 00:07:48,250 --> 00:07:50,770 explanation. She also questioned her own 142 00:07:50,770 --> 00:07:54,850 version of events several times, asking if if it was her 143 00:07:54,850 --> 00:07:57,930 imagination or if she couldn't be sure about certain details. 144 00:07:58,610 --> 00:08:01,690 Furthermore, it was also clear that she feared Hopkins himself 145 00:08:01,690 --> 00:08:03,610 wouldn't believe her to be a crackpot. 146 00:08:04,330 --> 00:08:07,410 However, more than that, Hopkins picked up certain details 147 00:08:07,410 --> 00:08:10,570 suggested to him that not only was the missing time episode in 148 00:08:10,570 --> 00:08:13,890 the 1970s likely an abduction encounter, but the incident 149 00:08:13,890 --> 00:08:18,890 outside her home and the summer of 1986 most likely was too. 150 00:08:19,610 --> 00:08:23,210 Hopkins highlights how quite often in alien abduction cases, 151 00:08:23,210 --> 00:08:26,090 the abductees often find themselves doing something new 152 00:08:26,090 --> 00:08:30,730 or unusual immediately before their abductions, with Hopkins 153 00:08:30,730 --> 00:08:34,650 even suggesting that this is as if the UFOO occupants have 154 00:08:34,650 --> 00:08:38,570 somehow were somehow able to compel behavior that facilitated 155 00:08:38,570 --> 00:08:41,850 the abductees capture. We might recall that on that 156 00:08:41,850 --> 00:08:45,950 evening, Terry felt a sudden urge to go outside and look at 157 00:08:45,950 --> 00:08:47,910 the stars. Was this something that was 158 00:08:47,910 --> 00:08:49,670 instilled in her by her abductees? 159 00:08:50,190 --> 00:08:54,150 I I can see this a lot in people when they have these abduction 160 00:08:54,150 --> 00:08:56,510 experiences where it's almost like they're drawn into this 161 00:08:56,510 --> 00:08:57,990 thing. And maybe that's just because 162 00:08:58,990 --> 00:09:01,950 these things are looking for people that are suggestible or 163 00:09:01,950 --> 00:09:06,310 vulnerable to, you know, take, or they have to have some sort 164 00:09:06,310 --> 00:09:07,710 of consent there. I don't know. 165 00:09:08,430 --> 00:09:11,430 In fact, it was a description in her letter to him about that 166 00:09:11,430 --> 00:09:14,350 second sighting that also drew Hopkins to Terry as a credible 167 00:09:14,350 --> 00:09:17,150 and genuine witness. As he highlights, even though 168 00:09:17,150 --> 00:09:19,910 she had memories of that strange evening with her exhusband in 169 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:22,670 the 1970s, she hadn't even entertained. 170 00:09:22,670 --> 00:09:25,510 It could have been connected to UFO as much less an abduction. 171 00:09:26,030 --> 00:09:30,550 However, upon seeing the strange object from her yard just a just 172 00:09:30,550 --> 00:09:33,470 short of a decade and a half later, she suddenly recalled 173 00:09:33,470 --> 00:09:37,470 that evening once more. As Hopskin writes, 1 Might One 174 00:09:38,330 --> 00:09:41,330 Might is tempted to suggest that she did so because 175 00:09:41,530 --> 00:09:44,410 subconsciously she knew the two incidents were real. 176 00:09:44,850 --> 00:09:47,050 Absolutely, that's what I would perceive that is. 177 00:09:47,570 --> 00:09:50,890 Another detail that Hopkins picked up was the fact that 178 00:09:50,890 --> 00:09:53,210 despite the highly unusual nature of the events in her 179 00:09:53,210 --> 00:09:57,170 yard, Terry felt No Fear, something which surprised even 180 00:09:57,170 --> 00:09:59,770 herself. Ultimately, Hopkins would meet 181 00:09:59,770 --> 00:10:02,490 with Terry, and eventually she would undergo hypnotic 182 00:10:02,490 --> 00:10:04,970 regression sessions to unlock the members of these strange 183 00:10:04,970 --> 00:10:07,350 encounters. And as we might imagine, these 184 00:10:07,350 --> 00:10:11,430 stations brought forward some remarkable revelations, it says. 185 00:10:11,430 --> 00:10:14,070 To begin with, Hopkins would focus on the evening. 186 00:10:14,070 --> 00:10:17,990 In early in the early 1970s, when Terry and her husband were 187 00:10:17,990 --> 00:10:21,670 returning home after a day at the Jersey Shore, the journey 188 00:10:21,670 --> 00:10:25,470 had begun as normal. However, at some stage, Terry's 189 00:10:25,470 --> 00:10:28,150 husband had suddenly turned off the main road and headed down 190 00:10:28,150 --> 00:10:31,350 several quieter side roads. There you go, It's unexplainable 191 00:10:31,350 --> 00:10:34,190 behavior. Terry recalled that although she 192 00:10:34,190 --> 00:10:36,860 didn't, although he didn't appear fully himself, her 193 00:10:36,860 --> 00:10:41,180 husband made several purposeful turns, as if he knew exactly 194 00:10:41,180 --> 00:10:44,460 where he was going. Even stranger, Terry recalled 195 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:47,540 how not only did she not ask her husband why he had suddenly 196 00:10:47,540 --> 00:10:50,540 taken them off the main road, but both remain completely 197 00:10:50,540 --> 00:10:53,820 silent, as if nothing out of the ordinary had taken place. 198 00:10:54,300 --> 00:10:57,580 It's like they're under some kind of hypnosis, it says. 199 00:10:57,740 --> 00:11:00,580 Then this strange behavior turned even stranger when 200 00:11:00,580 --> 00:11:03,980 Terry's husband suddenly brought the car off the road and 201 00:11:03,980 --> 00:11:06,100 proceeded to drive into the middle of a field. 202 00:11:06,620 --> 00:11:10,380 Once there, he calmly brought the vehicle to a stop and turned 203 00:11:10,380 --> 00:11:14,580 off the engine the parry made inside the vehicle, neither 204 00:11:14,580 --> 00:11:17,660 saying a word to each other. It was clear to Hopkins from 205 00:11:17,660 --> 00:11:19,540 Terry's description at the moment that both were in some 206 00:11:19,540 --> 00:11:22,180 kind of catatonic state. The next saying Terry could 207 00:11:22,180 --> 00:11:25,780 recall is that several small Gray aliens appeared from 208 00:11:25,780 --> 00:11:29,180 somewhere and took the pair out of the car, leading them to a 209 00:11:29,220 --> 00:11:33,460 strange object that seemingly landed in the field nearby. 210 00:11:34,220 --> 00:11:37,500 A rant protruded from this craft, which the aliens led 211 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:40,820 Terry and her husband up. Once they're inside the craft, 212 00:11:40,820 --> 00:11:43,060 Terry and her husband were then separated. 213 00:11:44,540 --> 00:11:47,260 Terry was taken to some kind of examination room where she was 214 00:11:47,260 --> 00:11:49,860 relieved of her clothes and then placed on a table in the middle 215 00:11:49,860 --> 00:11:52,380 of the room. Although she didn't understand 216 00:11:52,380 --> 00:11:56,340 how she knew, she sensed that her unborn baby was the focus of 217 00:11:56,340 --> 00:11:59,300 these alien creatures. This of course is something that 218 00:11:59,300 --> 00:12:02,460 comes up a lot with repeat abductees and something we will 219 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:05,940 examine briefly later. These procedures and 220 00:12:06,020 --> 00:12:09,220 examinations went on for an undetermined amount of time, 221 00:12:09,620 --> 00:12:12,220 after which Terry was led back to the ramp. 222 00:12:12,740 --> 00:12:16,180 There her husband, still seemingly in the same trans like 223 00:12:16,180 --> 00:12:17,820 state as before, was waiting for her. 224 00:12:18,540 --> 00:12:20,420 They were both taken back to their vehicle. 225 00:12:21,060 --> 00:12:25,420 The next memory, the next memory Terry had, was realizing it was 226 00:12:25,420 --> 00:12:27,660 suddenly dark, and I'm feeling confused as to why they were 227 00:12:27,660 --> 00:12:30,180 sitting in the car in the middle of the field as her husband 228 00:12:30,180 --> 00:12:33,210 started the car himself. Equally confused as to how they 229 00:12:33,210 --> 00:12:36,090 had arrived there, Terry began to ask him what had happened. 230 00:12:36,810 --> 00:12:40,370 Her questioning irritated him, likely due to his own confusion, 231 00:12:40,370 --> 00:12:43,530 and ignored her, making it clear he wished her to be quiet. 232 00:12:45,010 --> 00:12:47,970 This, however, was not the only change in her husband's behavior 233 00:12:47,970 --> 00:12:51,090 following the strange incident. As the weeks went by, he became 234 00:12:51,090 --> 00:12:53,610 increasingly aware, even paranoid, about the security of 235 00:12:53,610 --> 00:12:56,330 their apartment. So much so that he would check 236 00:12:56,330 --> 00:12:58,850 and then recheck all the doors and windows several times a day. 237 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,920 Once more, This is an interesting detail that shows up 238 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,880 in other abductees, often before they are even aware that 239 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,120 anything untoward has taken place. 240 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,200 Betty Barney Hill, for example, each experienced this one their 241 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,720 abduction encounter along with the abduction itself. 242 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,760 That was clear to them. However, when Terry gave birth 243 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,080 to their child, her husband's behavior, you're even more 244 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,800 intense. Wow. 245 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,920 This would be, I think, just such a stressful situation to be 246 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:25,840 in. If you really believe that 247 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,280 you've been abducted and then you're not sure your wife's 248 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,430 pregnant, you have beginning to have thoughts of well as this 249 00:13:31,430 --> 00:13:33,390 child. An alien hybrid possibly. 250 00:13:33,710 --> 00:13:38,310 Or is this child just some a human that they're using as a 251 00:13:38,310 --> 00:13:40,070 carrier or some gene or some trait? 252 00:13:40,270 --> 00:13:41,910 You have a lot of questions in your mind. 253 00:13:42,470 --> 00:13:45,150 One particular day, not long after the birth of their first 254 00:13:45,150 --> 00:13:48,270 child, Terry heard the sounds of tools and chains outside of 255 00:13:48,270 --> 00:13:50,030 their second floor apartment in the hallway. 256 00:13:50,750 --> 00:13:53,630 When she ventured into the hallway to investigate, she was 257 00:13:53,630 --> 00:13:57,220 shocked to see that her husband had fitted the door with several 258 00:13:57,220 --> 00:14:01,020 sturdy bolts and chain lock. Only these were fitted on the 259 00:14:01,020 --> 00:14:03,260 outside. When she questioned her husband 260 00:14:03,260 --> 00:14:05,860 on the matter, he informed her matter of factly that when he 261 00:14:05,860 --> 00:14:09,260 left for work, he would chain the door and then lock it with a 262 00:14:09,260 --> 00:14:11,820 heavy padlock. This of course would mean she 263 00:14:11,820 --> 00:14:15,340 was essentially locked in the apartment while she while he was 264 00:14:15,340 --> 00:14:18,900 away, something that was her husband claimed for her own 265 00:14:18,900 --> 00:14:21,590 protection. Needless to say, the pair 266 00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:23,950 quarreled over the matter with Terry insisting that his 267 00:14:23,950 --> 00:14:25,830 reaction was extreme to say the least. 268 00:14:26,310 --> 00:14:28,470 Ultimately, Terry would later form Hopkins. 269 00:14:28,470 --> 00:14:32,750 It was this behavior as it progressed that led to the 270 00:14:32,750 --> 00:14:34,510 husband separating and then divorcing. 271 00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:38,070 However, now, years later, she could see where his change in 272 00:14:38,070 --> 00:14:41,470 behavior came from and why her husband changed so much so 273 00:14:41,470 --> 00:14:43,390 quickly. As Hosman. 274 00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:46,510 As Hopkins continued to investigate Terry's abduction 275 00:14:46,510 --> 00:14:50,160 counter, other strange details emerged, the details that Terry 276 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,120 had not all connected to the strange occurrences. 277 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,440 Perhaps one of the most intriguing of these was her 278 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,480 memories of the man who knew too Much. 279 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,280 And it is to those revelations that we will turn our attention 280 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,600 to next, the author says. Goes on here, it says. 281 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:10,640 At his request, Terry began to tell Hopkins of a time when she 282 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,780 was 16 years old and still in high school. 283 00:15:13,820 --> 00:15:16,900 On this particular day, she was sitting in a pizza parlor with 284 00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:19,580 several friends when a man approached their table. 285 00:15:20,460 --> 00:15:25,180 He was in his 50s or 60s and dressed in a neat suit and tie. 286 00:15:25,180 --> 00:15:26,900 You have to wonder if it was black. 287 00:15:27,620 --> 00:15:31,900 The man asked Terry if she would like a summer job and if she 288 00:15:31,900 --> 00:15:34,740 would like to interview for one. Now that's weird. 289 00:15:35,220 --> 00:15:38,020 Terry, wanting to earn some extra money, said she would very 290 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:41,060 much like to interview for a job and gave the man her details so 291 00:15:41,060 --> 00:15:43,380 that he could pick her up the following day. 292 00:15:43,540 --> 00:15:46,700 Now I realized this would have been back in the 19 what, 60s or 293 00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:49,340 something, but that's still some very strange, troubling 294 00:15:49,340 --> 00:15:52,220 behavior. The following day is he said he 295 00:15:52,220 --> 00:15:53,740 would The man arrived at her home. 296 00:15:53,740 --> 00:15:55,860 At this point, Hopkins highlighted how strange it was 297 00:15:55,860 --> 00:15:59,060 that both Terry and her mother were perfectly at ease with the 298 00:15:59,060 --> 00:16:01,740 situation. After all, this gentleman was a 299 00:16:01,740 --> 00:16:04,860 complete stranger who offered no proof of who he was. 300 00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:08,220 Nevertheless, Terry left her house and got into the car 301 00:16:08,220 --> 00:16:10,860 without even considering that she could be putting herself in 302 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:13,580 danger. However, almost immediately 303 00:16:13,580 --> 00:16:16,700 after getting in the vehicle, Terry began to feel a sense of 304 00:16:16,700 --> 00:16:19,700 trepidation and even rising within her. 305 00:16:19,700 --> 00:16:21,820 The man began asking her questions, revealing that he 306 00:16:21,820 --> 00:16:24,380 knew details about her that almost no one else did. 307 00:16:24,900 --> 00:16:27,780 For example, he would inform her bluntly that although she was 308 00:16:27,780 --> 00:16:31,220 happy now, she wasn't happy when her father left something she 309 00:16:31,220 --> 00:16:33,340 couldn't understand how he knew about. 310 00:16:34,060 --> 00:16:36,860 He then offered her that she had liked living with her 311 00:16:36,860 --> 00:16:39,420 grandparents, which caused Terry to ask if he knew her family, 312 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,960 and he replied that he didn't, he merely knew her. 313 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,160 He went on to reveal further details of her life, even in the 314 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,800 previous day. Despite this truly bizarre turn 315 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,200 of events. When they arrived at the 316 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,360 location, Terry followed the man into what was ultimately an 317 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,560 empty office space to conduct the interview, an already 318 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,560 strained situation that was about to get a lot stranger and 319 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,400 darker. The interview began innocently 320 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,079 enough, with the man telling Terry that the business would be 321 00:17:05,930 --> 00:17:08,849 open in two weeks time, and that although she couldn't recall the 322 00:17:08,849 --> 00:17:11,410 specifics of the business, she did recall that it involved 323 00:17:11,410 --> 00:17:13,970 trucks and people. He led her to a desk that he 324 00:17:13,970 --> 00:17:17,210 said she would be working from, basically answering the phone as 325 00:17:17,210 --> 00:17:19,290 well as taking messages and keeping records. 326 00:17:19,770 --> 00:17:21,410 Then, however, the man's demeanor changed. 327 00:17:21,849 --> 00:17:24,650 He began making advances toward her, even placing his hands 328 00:17:24,650 --> 00:17:27,329 around her waist. She pulled herself away from 329 00:17:27,329 --> 00:17:29,490 him, attempting to make it clear that she was uncomfortable. 330 00:17:29,890 --> 00:17:32,570 Undeterred, the man then stated that the job depended very much 331 00:17:32,570 --> 00:17:36,430 on her, reciprocating his advances to this, she responded 332 00:17:36,430 --> 00:17:39,230 that she no longer wanted to wanted the job and that she 333 00:17:39,230 --> 00:17:43,270 wished to go home rather than flying into a rage, which she 334 00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:45,790 fully expected him to do. The man back down and began 335 00:17:45,790 --> 00:17:48,390 leading them back out of the room, saying simply all right, 336 00:17:48,430 --> 00:17:50,910 but you are the but you are the one I want. 337 00:17:51,870 --> 00:17:54,390 The pair walked to the car and they set off, both remaining 338 00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:57,430 quiet. However, rather than taking the 339 00:17:57,430 --> 00:18:00,350 route back to her house, the strange man took a turn down 340 00:18:00,350 --> 00:18:02,030 roads that Terry didn't recognize. 341 00:18:02,620 --> 00:18:05,460 When she asked where they were going, the man replied that he 342 00:18:05,460 --> 00:18:07,820 had to stop off somewhere to quickly see a friend. 343 00:18:08,460 --> 00:18:10,660 The further they got into the middle of nowhere that 344 00:18:10,780 --> 00:18:14,060 increasingly, she felt scared. Eventually, the man brought the 345 00:18:14,060 --> 00:18:16,340 car to a stop outside a small twostory house. 346 00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:19,140 He went to get out of the car, asking Terry to wait in the 347 00:18:19,140 --> 00:18:21,660 vehicle for him rather than making a run for it. 348 00:18:21,660 --> 00:18:23,940 As a man walked to the house, she simply slumped down to the 349 00:18:23,940 --> 00:18:27,060 seat and watched him approach and watched him approach the 350 00:18:27,060 --> 00:18:29,860 front door. As Hopkins asked her to view 351 00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:33,370 these events further, it became clear that the house was not a 352 00:18:33,370 --> 00:18:35,650 house at all. The more she looked at the 353 00:18:35,650 --> 00:18:37,890 house, the more it began to change. 354 00:18:38,170 --> 00:18:40,890 She realized it wasn't a two-story house at all, but one 355 00:18:41,010 --> 00:18:44,450 level with the smooth roof. The more she concentrated, the 356 00:18:44,450 --> 00:18:47,330 more the house looked funny, elaborating that it keeps going 357 00:18:47,330 --> 00:18:50,370 back and forth. It looks like a house, then it 358 00:18:50,370 --> 00:18:54,010 looks like not a house. Then she made a particularly 359 00:18:54,010 --> 00:18:56,210 revealing claim. She offered that the house looks 360 00:18:56,210 --> 00:18:59,730 all metal and that there were little windows along the bottom, 361 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,680 and when she looked at the door, it also looks strange, like an 362 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,640 awning. But it's not an awning. 363 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,520 She also had some startling revelations about the overall 364 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,520 scene, specifically just who the Mister man was meeting. 365 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,120 She recalled there were several other ones, and that they were 366 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,960 smaller and all looked the same with no hair. 367 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,720 By comparison, the man looked like a giant standing next to 368 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,520 them. She also recalled that these 369 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,360 smaller creatures appeared to have a great interest in her as 370 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:30,170 they all turned their attention to the car, staring intently 371 00:19:30,170 --> 00:19:32,610 inside at her. Then one of them approached the 372 00:19:32,610 --> 00:19:34,370 side of the car and opened the door. 373 00:19:36,290 --> 00:19:38,810 As soon as the door was opened to her, stepped outside and sure 374 00:19:38,810 --> 00:19:41,770 why she was doing so, almost as if she wasn't fully in control 375 00:19:41,770 --> 00:19:44,050 of her own decision making and movements. 376 00:19:44,330 --> 00:19:46,370 She further recalled that she was feeling scared. 377 00:19:46,370 --> 00:19:49,730 But I'm not doing anything, although the following details 378 00:19:49,730 --> 00:19:51,410 were sketchy and a little disoriented to her. 379 00:19:51,410 --> 00:19:54,250 Recalled another other creatures approaching them and then 380 00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:56,490 walking with her. She recalled that there was no 381 00:19:56,490 --> 00:19:59,210 apparent destination to the walk, simply that they'll walk 382 00:19:59,210 --> 00:20:01,410 down a dirt road and then walk back. 383 00:20:01,850 --> 00:20:04,210 The next thing she realized she was back inside the car. 384 00:20:04,610 --> 00:20:07,610 We have to imagine that something occurred during this 385 00:20:07,610 --> 00:20:09,170 walk. Well, clearly to me, this 386 00:20:09,170 --> 00:20:12,010 woman's being manipulated, you know, and this goes back to one 387 00:20:12,010 --> 00:20:15,010 of the motives of these things. I mean if that was just taken 388 00:20:15,010 --> 00:20:19,210 basically mind control somebody and to do everything from 389 00:20:19,210 --> 00:20:22,810 strange experiments up to physical assault. 390 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:25,440 You have to. You really have to. 391 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,920 You really have to take this information in as you assign a 392 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,920 personality profile to these aliens. 393 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,880 Clearly what Terry was was describing was some kind of 394 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,080 meeting between the man and several Gray alien creatures. 395 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,800 Furthermore, the house, at least what she perceived and recalled 396 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,480 as a house, was in fact an apparent disc or Oval shaped 397 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,120 object, ultimately UFO. Following these revelations, 398 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,400 Terry recalled how the man simply returned to the car and 399 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,450 drove her home. Indeed, there are many details 400 00:20:54,450 --> 00:20:58,170 in Terry's account that resonate with other UFO and alien 401 00:20:58,170 --> 00:21:02,090 abduction counters, and you can go ahead and like I said, I'll 402 00:21:02,090 --> 00:21:03,770 put a link and you can read that if you want to. 403 00:21:03,770 --> 00:21:06,770 But what I take from this first part of this article you're 404 00:21:06,770 --> 00:21:10,890 talking about this Terry Winthrop case is that at first 405 00:21:10,890 --> 00:21:15,290 she had memories of 1 alien abduction and then there was a 406 00:21:15,290 --> 00:21:17,930 second one. And then as Hopkins took her 407 00:21:17,930 --> 00:21:21,770 into this hypnotic regression, she started to remember details. 408 00:21:22,930 --> 00:21:25,130 And she basically came up with what would have been a third 409 00:21:25,730 --> 00:21:28,530 alien abduction, But before that first alien abduction. 410 00:21:28,530 --> 00:21:31,130 And there seemed to be this interview process where she was 411 00:21:31,130 --> 00:21:34,970 picked out of a crowd by the strange person, which she 412 00:21:34,970 --> 00:21:37,290 thought was a person which maybe was just some sort of humanoid 413 00:21:37,290 --> 00:21:39,810 alien. And they interview her, they 414 00:21:39,810 --> 00:21:42,130 select her. And even though she tries to get 415 00:21:42,130 --> 00:21:46,210 away from him, you find that she's she's she is just 416 00:21:46,770 --> 00:21:50,250 basically her. Her will is overridden. 417 00:21:50,770 --> 00:21:55,090 So you could safely say she was forced against her will into 418 00:21:55,090 --> 00:21:59,290 this very first abduction as a teenager and who knows what 419 00:21:59,290 --> 00:22:03,250 happened on there. But then through important 420 00:22:03,250 --> 00:22:05,570 points in her life, like when she gets married and when she's 421 00:22:05,970 --> 00:22:10,770 pregnant with this first child, she undergoes this, this alien 422 00:22:10,770 --> 00:22:13,530 abduction again. So you start off with this 423 00:22:13,530 --> 00:22:16,770 interview, then you have an immediate abduction, then you 424 00:22:16,770 --> 00:22:19,530 have a second abduction that when she gets pregnant, and then 425 00:22:19,530 --> 00:22:22,810 the third almost like a followup abduction down the road as if 426 00:22:22,810 --> 00:22:25,010 they're tracking her. I think definitely is going on 427 00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:29,370 here from the interview process to these multiple abductions 428 00:22:30,250 --> 00:22:32,330 into the alien implants. And and you know what? 429 00:22:32,330 --> 00:22:35,170 It's one of those things that you never hear brought up in any 430 00:22:35,170 --> 00:22:38,130 of these congressional hearings. Until next time, this is UFO 431 00:22:38,130 --> 00:22:39,090 warning, over and out.