1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,500 Hello, and welcome to the program and UFO warning. 2 00:00:05,700 --> 00:00:09,000 And this episode, we're talking about a UFO encounter at Devil's 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,400 Den. That's correct. 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:15,600 A UFO encounter at Devil's Den. Now, the title says strange UFO, 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,400 encounters and Missouri with Terry Lovelace and it begins by 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:20,500 giving a little bit of a bio here. 7 00:00:20,500 --> 00:00:23,300 Entry-level us. He says, I'm 64 course this is 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,400 six years ago. Five years ago, I spent six 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,200 years in the US Air Force. I have a bachelor's degree in 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,300 psychology. And a law degree from. 11 00:00:31,300 --> 00:00:34,100 You know, you of em School of Law, TMC campus. 12 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:37,700 I passed the Michigan bar exam on my first attempt and was in 13 00:00:37,700 --> 00:00:40,100 private practice until I entered government service for the u.s. 14 00:00:40,100 --> 00:00:43,500 territory of American Samoa because long talks about working 15 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:48,100 in Samoa, then he ends up going to Vermont where he is assistant 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,800 AG for the state of Vermont. And then he says, I've been 17 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,800 married for 42 years. My wife and I were active line, 18 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,500 club members and volunteered our time and efforts for their 19 00:00:58,500 --> 00:01:01,800 mission to stop blindness. We have two adult children who 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,400 live near us and Dallas. I've never abused substances or 21 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,700 been arrested, but for these events my life has been ordinary 22 00:01:09,900 --> 00:01:11,900 and all regards. So what he's telling you is he's 23 00:01:11,900 --> 00:01:15,700 a stand-up guy. I mean, as his law license, he's 24 00:01:15,700 --> 00:01:21,000 been, he's a military guy. Assistant AG for Vermont. 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,100 Some guys got a lot of power, man. 26 00:01:23,100 --> 00:01:26,300 I mean these are the guys that put you in prison, if they 27 00:01:26,300 --> 00:01:30,500 suspect and get convictions. So we've entrusted this Guy with 28 00:01:30,500 --> 00:01:33,300 the power to determine whether or not people are guilty of 29 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:36,500 serious crimes and put them in prison for perhaps the rest of 30 00:01:36,500 --> 00:01:39,900 their life. This is what you would call it 31 00:01:39,900 --> 00:01:42,600 expert. Witness, just keep that in mind 32 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,100 historian for the 1970s. He says, I grew up in urban St. 33 00:01:45,100 --> 00:01:48,300 Louis after graduating high school in 1973, I joined the US 34 00:01:48,300 --> 00:01:50,500 Air Force and was trained as a medic EMT. 35 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,500 I was stationed permanently at Whiteman Air Force Base, for the 36 00:01:53,508 --> 00:01:58,900 next five and a half years. WAFB was at sa sea bass home to 37 00:01:58,900 --> 00:02:02,500 a squadron of Killer armed B-52s. 38 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:07,000 It was also the home of the 350. First strategic missile wing 39 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,300 with dozens of missile, silo spread across central western 40 00:02:10,300 --> 00:02:12,500 Missouri. This area was very sparsely 41 00:02:12,500 --> 00:02:16,600 populated in the 70s, air base is a half-a-day drive north of 42 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,800 Devil's Den. So this is guy that's been, you 43 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,600 know, he's joined the Air Force. He's working at the space, these 44 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,200 people are entrusted with our nuclear Arsenal, kind of a big 45 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,800 deal, he says, I drove an ambulance. 46 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:33,400 Alms for the base hospital and work graveyard shift from 11 47 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,800 p.m. to 8 a.m. my partner was a younger Airman. 48 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,300 First Class, I'll refer to as Toby together, we were First 49 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:44,200 Responders to accidents injuries on base or any other missile 50 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,700 silos. Toby was from Urban, Flint 51 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:49,600 Michigan. He was a 20 year old kid with a 52 00:02:49,608 --> 00:02:52,200 gift for mathematics. We hope to attend the University 53 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,900 of Michigan and study astronomy. Coincidentally. 54 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:00,700 I attempted law school at U of M, I attended law school rather 55 00:03:00,700 --> 00:03:04,800 at U of M years later, Toby was an amateur astronomer and on 56 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,200 most warm evenings with set on the ambulance ramp and lawn 57 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,500 chairs. And watch the sky, waiting for 58 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:14,400 the crash phone to ring. Because Lonnie says in January 59 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,600 of 1975 are Christ phone rang at about 2 a.m. a missile 60 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:24,000 technician servicing, an ICBM fell inside a siloed, designated 61 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,000 kilo 5, a whole boy. That would, that would not be 62 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,300 fun. The dispatch was Phil on facts 63 00:03:30,300 --> 00:03:32,900 and the radio was unusually quiet. 64 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Without the routine chatter. I drove the ambulance while Toby 65 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:42,100 navigated, it was 18 miles to kilo 5 in a desolate area in the 66 00:03:42,100 --> 00:03:46,300 middle of a soybean field. We arrived at a chaotic scene, a 67 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:50,100 dozen Security place in 30 guys, with M16s ran around, looking 68 00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:53,800 up, I found a captain in charge, you ordered me to parking a 69 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,400 balance and stay put then Toby noticed a matte black diamond 70 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,800 shaped. Object, hovering 20 or so feet 71 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,000 over kilo 5. It was as big as a full-size 72 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,400 van. I look for wires or some 73 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,200 explanation as to how this thing could just sit in midair 74 00:04:13,700 --> 00:04:15,400 mentally was difficult to process. 75 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,899 We watch this thing. Sit for about 15 minutes, then 76 00:04:18,899 --> 00:04:21,399 it just shot off to the east from a dead. 77 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:25,800 Stop to the speed of a bullet without accelerating. 78 00:04:26,700 --> 00:04:29,100 Wow. So it was just instant, it 79 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:30,700 wasn't like I had to speed up and go. 80 00:04:30,900 --> 00:04:34,400 This thing just took off at basically what something the 81 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,500 speed of light we were debriefed on our reports were Rewritten, 82 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,800 our CEO told us the object was an experimental helicopter and 83 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,600 top secret. Now does that sound like a an 84 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,900 experimental helicopter to you? We knew back then he was full of 85 00:04:48,900 --> 00:04:51,100 shit and had no idea what we saw. 86 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:54,800 We were sternly warned not to talk about it and were asked to 87 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,800 surrender any drones. We may have made two years 88 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,900 later, my friend Toby, two years later, my friend Toby and I are 89 00:05:02,900 --> 00:05:06,000 still working. The night shift at the ER one 90 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,600 night Toby, suggested we go on a camping trip. 91 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,600 I enjoy Wildlife photography and had a new camera. 92 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:16,100 I wanted to try photography was not allowed on the base Toby and 93 00:05:16,100 --> 00:05:19,300 I were both City kids. Neither one of us had ever been 94 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:22,500 camping in our lives. There were plenty of National 95 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:25,600 Forest Campgrounds, all around us, but Toby convince me, the 96 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,600 long drive to To Devil's Den was worth it because it offered one 97 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,300 a high Plateau where he could stargaze without light 98 00:05:33,300 --> 00:05:35,800 pollution. And to I could photograph 99 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,300 wildlife and scenery he was again. 100 00:05:38,300 --> 00:05:40,900 Staying at the parks Campground, comparing it to camping in a 101 00:05:40,908 --> 00:05:45,000 parking lot in the woods. So we trespassed deep into the 102 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Nature. Preserve that was off-limits and 103 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,300 set up our camp on the edge of a plateau budding, a tree line. 104 00:05:52,700 --> 00:05:56,300 Don't you love that how the government just likes to create? 105 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,500 Eight off-limits areas and for the creditors. 106 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,900 I mean it just seems like such a convenient way for them to hide 107 00:06:05,900 --> 00:06:08,400 things. Yes, we have this area of 108 00:06:08,900 --> 00:06:12,200 hundreds or thousands of Acres were people. 109 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:13,800 Can't go because it's a wildlife. 110 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,600 Preserve, how convenient he says when we were four hours into our 111 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:26,200 Drive, South toward the Arkansas border, I realized my camera, 112 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,700 I'm I realized I left my camera on my kitchen counter. 113 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,500 It was a big disappointment, but I was determined to make the 114 00:06:32,500 --> 00:06:34,900 best of it. We did bring our small tent, 115 00:06:34,900 --> 00:06:40,000 insect repellent, and sunscreen, and enough food, and water for 116 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,600 two overnights. On our first night, we were 117 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,700 exhausted from hike. We took when we first arrived, a 118 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:50,500 long drive and setting up a campsite about 9:00 p.m. 119 00:06:50,500 --> 00:06:53,900 Toby noticed three stars on Horizon, they made a perfect 120 00:06:53,900 --> 00:06:56,400 triangle. There were small at first and 121 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,600 moved in perfect Unison. Guess what those weren't Stars? 122 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,300 It became obvious. This was one solid object, and 123 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:08,000 not three independent lights. Orchestrated to move and perfect 124 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:11,600 to move and perfect information. We watched it. 125 00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:16,500 End and grow closer and much larger until it was directly 126 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:20,600 over the top of our campsite. We notice that as it passed 127 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,100 through a star-filled, it blotted them out until it moved 128 00:07:24,100 --> 00:07:26,800 past, then they would blink back on. 129 00:07:26,900 --> 00:07:32,000 So it was one solid object. So, here you go, you've got 130 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,500 this, these two guys who just had previously witnessed this 131 00:07:37,700 --> 00:07:41,700 UFO hovering over a missile silo and now they hear the art of 132 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:45,800 camping. Rip and once again, the two of 133 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,300 them are witnessing, another UFO. 134 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,900 It was odd that at first, this thing in the sky made us anxious 135 00:07:51,900 --> 00:07:57,400 but that soon dissipated, we notice a whole forest was now 136 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,000 dead silent. When an hour earlier, it had 137 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,700 been alive but the Crickets and tree frogs. 138 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:06,100 While this thing was over our heads, we became abruptly 139 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:09,400 disinterested, we were all so suddenly drowsy not tire, but 140 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,000 almost sedated at midnight, we just Decided to get into the 141 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,900 tent and go to sleep. The apathy puzzles me to this 142 00:08:15,900 --> 00:08:19,300 day. It seems to me as though maybe 143 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:23,300 this this sedating effect that this thing had on these two, 144 00:08:23,300 --> 00:08:27,100 gentlemen, was the same thing that the wildlife, the animals, 145 00:08:27,100 --> 00:08:31,100 the insects all the little frogs were experiencing its, whether 146 00:08:31,100 --> 00:08:37,500 it's putting out some sort of radio wave or some sort of, you 147 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:39,600 know, chemical agent. We don't know. 148 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,700 But it does seem like these things frequently are associated 149 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:47,100 with people becoming apathetic or tired or sedated. 150 00:08:47,300 --> 00:08:52,200 This is Woke up at 3 a.m. to brilliant multicolored lights, 151 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,800 white yellow, and orange illuminated. 152 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:58,900 The inside of our 10th through a rear small, net window, I saw 153 00:08:58,900 --> 00:09:01,600 the force behind us lit up like a night game. 154 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,000 At the Ballpark, I noticed my clothing and boots were all 155 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,000 asked you. I pushed Toby aside, so we could 156 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,100 both look outside toward the meadow. 157 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:15,800 There was an enormous UFO as large as a five story office 158 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,200 building. It was a Eagle with each leg 159 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,800 being about a city block in length. 160 00:09:23,100 --> 00:09:28,900 It was 50 foot tall and set stationary, 30 feet over the 161 00:09:28,900 --> 00:09:32,500 metal floor. There was a there was a noise 162 00:09:32,500 --> 00:09:35,000 to. It was a low bass hum or drone, 163 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:37,700 not so much loud. As it was powerful, it was like 164 00:09:37,700 --> 00:09:43,100 standing next to a running diesel train engine or a large 165 00:09:43,100 --> 00:09:47,600 industrial machine. Imagine this thing an enormous 166 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:53,200 UFO as large as a five story office building, it was a 167 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,600 triangle with each leg being about a city block in length. 168 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,900 This thing was enormous. We saw what I first took to be 169 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:04,700 children, walking around the meadow underneath the triangle 170 00:10:04,900 --> 00:10:09,500 classic case of entities, there was a column of white light 171 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,600 about 30 feet in diameter shining down from the center of 172 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,300 the triangle. We watch these little people 173 00:10:15,300 --> 00:10:17,500 walked into the light and just dissolve. 174 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,400 L've one by one until they were gone, the hum stopped and a 175 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,900 corner lights. All returned to brilliant white, 176 00:10:24,300 --> 00:10:27,300 the white cylinder, from the middle stopped, and the thing 177 00:10:27,300 --> 00:10:31,500 Rose about like a hot air balloon, it made a 1/3 clockwise 178 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:35,800 rotation and continued its Ascent picking up speed until it 179 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:40,700 was high in the sky then gone while we were apathetic earlier. 180 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,300 Now we were scared out of our wits, we have banded our 181 00:10:43,300 --> 00:10:46,600 campsite and ran to the car drove back to the base, Toby 182 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,400 left his backpack. His name and Base address 183 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,400 written inside. This is how they were able to 184 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,400 find us so quickly. Well, that's weird. 185 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:57,500 He said that they went into this Wildlife. 186 00:10:57,500 --> 00:11:01,600 Preserve area had to trespass to get in there because this is one 187 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,800 of those areas where the state or the feds, whoever decide that 188 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,600 this is only a place for animals to go. 189 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,100 People aren't allowed. You know, I thought the whole 190 00:11:11,100 --> 00:11:14,400 point of preserving wildlife and nature was so that humans could 191 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,300 enjoy it. But no, this is a part for 192 00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:22,200 squirrels and UFO is apparently It says both of us suffered 193 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,700 severe sun burns all over our bodies. 194 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,100 It almost sounds like radiation poisoning even as soles of my 195 00:11:28,100 --> 00:11:31,800 feet were burned. We were terribly dehydrated and 196 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:36,100 we spent a couple days in hospital, man. 197 00:11:36,100 --> 00:11:38,100 That's serious. Now, this kind of gets back to 198 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:40,700 this whole thing about these people, we talked about the 199 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:44,400 Stanford study where we're for 100 individuals who have had 200 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,100 encounters with UFOs reported having serious damage brain 201 00:11:48,100 --> 00:11:49,600 damage. Even what were they? 202 00:11:49,700 --> 00:11:52,300 Doctor said it looked like it was damaged similar to what 203 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:57,300 happens to a person has Ms. When you have this fibers buildup on 204 00:11:57,300 --> 00:12:00,700 the nerves or whatever. Some of them I think even had 205 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:07,800 tumors are cancer. So this this this whole thing 206 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:12,700 where people are injured by these things, wow, he says, we 207 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:15,800 were terribly dehydrated and we spent a couple days in hospital. 208 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,200 The same hospital where we worked, while hospitalized we 209 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,800 were A great is separately by two men in business suits, they 210 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,900 identify themselves a special agents from The OSI. 211 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,800 The OSI is the office of special investigations. 212 00:12:30,100 --> 00:12:33,200 It's the investigative arm of the US Air Force Security place. 213 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,400 I recall, the older man was a major and the younger Captain so 214 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,300 they did just send over a couple of privates to talk to these 215 00:12:40,300 --> 00:12:42,800 guys. They demanded that I hand over 216 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,700 the film, I took during the trip, I told them I left my 217 00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:49,100 camera at home, my wife backed up that story but they wouldn't 218 00:12:49,100 --> 00:12:51,800 believe us. My car and home were searched. 219 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,200 I was interrogated. A second time, I do SI 220 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,900 headquarters They had the mistaken belief, I had 221 00:12:57,900 --> 00:12:59,000 photographed. This thing. 222 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,600 I wish I had my best friend began to drink. 223 00:13:03,900 --> 00:13:07,200 He was quickly reassigned and we were ordered to have no contact 224 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,000 with another one. Another, until the investigation 225 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,400 closed. I learned that day that Toby 226 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,800 began drinking heavily and was divorced and discharged from the 227 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,000 US Air Force. He died homeless on the streets 228 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,200 of flint and 1982. Oh, that's just awful. 229 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,200 That's it, seems this openness this It was so impactful, on 230 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,300 this talented, intelligent young guy, but his life just collapsed 231 00:13:31,300 --> 00:13:34,500 after that intermittently over the next 10 years, I was plagued 232 00:13:34,500 --> 00:13:36,700 with Dreadful, nightmares about that night. 233 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:39,300 That my wife suggestion, I began to keep a journal of my 234 00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:41,200 nightmares. I kept a pen and paper by my 235 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,700 bedside, and I did my best to document each Nightmare Before 236 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:48,100 the evaporated. I think that helped me ever 237 00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:50,500 since 1977. I am uncomfortable being outside 238 00:13:50,500 --> 00:13:54,000 in Open Spaces, especially after dark, I sleep with a light or 239 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,900 the television on, I keep a loaded 38. 240 00:13:56,100 --> 00:14:00,900 See by my loaded, 38 by my bedside table and a high. 241 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:05,000 Intensity flashlight. I'm uncomfortable around elderly 242 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,400 Asian women for some odd reason, I feel anxious at the mall when 243 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,200 we walk past a widow and window display with naked mannequins, 244 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,900 in the window, I have to think this guy was abducted. 245 00:14:15,900 --> 00:14:18,600 I mean, that's, that's the vibe that I'm getting off of this. 246 00:14:19,100 --> 00:14:21,100 Something had happened to us. It doubles down. 247 00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:24,000 My heart goes out to the family of this young man who went 248 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,300 missing in August of last year. There is a PostScript. 249 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:30,900 I became a non competitive runner in 1980 Iran until I had 250 00:14:30,900 --> 00:14:34,700 a heart problem. 2005, when I ran, there was a spot on my 251 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:39,100 right leg, the size of a half dollar that went completely 252 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:41,000 numb. Every time I passed the 253 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:46,700 two-mile, Mark, every time, it would remain them for 30 or so 254 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,100 minutes. In 2012, I had an x-ray of my 255 00:14:50,100 --> 00:14:54,200 leg following an accident. If you look at the X-ray and 256 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,300 have a picture of it here, too. The very top and far right 257 00:14:57,300 --> 00:15:01,100 you'll see a metal object, the size of a postage stamp, it is 258 00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:04,400 directly over. What I call my num spot, there 259 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,200 is no scars to indicate the site. 260 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,200 Where this thing entered my body, according to radiologist 261 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:13,200 abstinence car, I would have had to have been born with this 262 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,300 thing, in my leg, the X-ray bright with it. 263 00:15:16,300 --> 00:15:21,200 Intrusive thoughts, and terrible images from 1977. 264 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:26,300 This is a classic replaced repressed, rather memories From 265 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:31,000 an abduction and yet when people are so negatively impact by 266 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,900 these encounters, are these inductions. 267 00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:36,400 It does not give me. The idea that whatever these 268 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,100 entities are that they're here to help after a four-year 269 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:43,400 Hiatus, nightmares about 1977 have returned and still disturb 270 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,000 my sleep. The book relating to the story 271 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,600 incident Devil's Den. A True Story by Terry levels can 272 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,900 be bought at Amazon. Wow. 273 00:15:50,900 --> 00:15:57,800 That's that is riveting. We have a couple other things 274 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,000 here. It says here. 275 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,800 Now this articles talking about the same thing, this is from the 276 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:09,700 guardian.com He says what I saw that night was real. 277 00:16:09,700 --> 00:16:15,800 It's time to take a lian's more seriously and this says, it 278 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,100 starts offices in June the US government published a 279 00:16:18,100 --> 00:16:22,100 long-awaited report into UFOs. Although the report did not as 280 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:24,700 many had hoped admit to the existence of a little green, 281 00:16:24,700 --> 00:16:27,300 man, it did reveal that, not only were objects appearing in 282 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:31,000 our skies at the Pentagon, which controls the US military can I 283 00:16:31,008 --> 00:16:35,000 explain, but some clearly pose a safety of flight you shoe and 284 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,300 may pose a challenge. Challenge to US National 285 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:39,700 Security. The Pentagon also revealed that 286 00:16:39,700 --> 00:16:43,500 it has been taking UFO. So seriously that in 2007 it 287 00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:45,900 discreetly set up. The advanced Aerospace threat 288 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:49,700 identification program or a tap, which has been Gathering data on 289 00:16:49,700 --> 00:16:54,100 an unexplained aerial phenomena ever since the unclassified 290 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:56,700 version of the report. There's also a classified 291 00:16:56,700 --> 00:16:59,100 version. It says found no clear 292 00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:02,000 indications that there is any non terrestrial explanation for 293 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,000 the sightings but neither did it roll out the report offered 5. 294 00:17:06,099 --> 00:17:08,300 Giggling mundane and then it goes on talks a little bit about 295 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:10,900 that. It says a Foose enthusiasm for 296 00:17:10,900 --> 00:17:15,000 UFOs and ETS have permeated popular culture ever since a US 297 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,800 Air Force, balloon crashed near Roswell then we don't know. 298 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,500 It was balloon, we've been told multiple things by the 299 00:17:20,500 --> 00:17:21,800 government. This could have been a balloon 300 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,800 could have been a parachute with a dummy on it. 301 00:17:23,900 --> 00:17:27,599 Obviously, this covered up and then launching into the 302 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:31,100 derogatory term, conspiracy theorist confuse a bloom for a 303 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:35,000 UFO Court more nonsense, Andre Abit, a professor of psychology 304 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,200 at Rutgers University, He co-authored we're not alone a 305 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,200 study into white. Some want to believe in aliens 306 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,600 object explains the belief. In Aliens is a can to 307 00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:48,700 religiosity unfounded beliefs and unfalsifiable ideas which 308 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:52,400 require a leap of faith. You know, this is, this is the 309 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:59,100 kind of Debunking stuff it just, it's so maddening. 310 00:17:59,300 --> 00:18:01,700 Now, it goes on. After we get after we Wade 311 00:18:01,700 --> 00:18:05,200 through all the nonsense that this author puts out there, all 312 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:10,600 of the attempts to D person, people who have seen UFOs, he 313 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,900 gets clear down here. Then he says Loveless. 314 00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:15,700 Now, 67 was on a camping trip and Devil's Den State Park, and 315 00:18:15,700 --> 00:18:19,000 Northern Arkansas with a friend and colleague named Toby when 316 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,900 things got strange. They were sitting around a fire 317 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:25,100 struggling to chat over the din of buzzing crickets and crooking 318 00:18:25,100 --> 00:18:27,600 tree frogs before. Within what quiet? 319 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,900 What sounds this, that sounds kind of cliched out of a movie. 320 00:18:32,900 --> 00:18:34,600 But it is exactly what happened to us. 321 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,700 He says, three Bright Lights appeared on the horizon and 322 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:40,600 moved in their Direction. When the lights were overhead, 323 00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:44,000 they could see that they were emanating from a black 324 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,800 triangular prism as wide as two city blocks, a blue laser beam, 325 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,300 darted over them, which Lovelace thought was scanning them. 326 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,500 When it shut off, they became sleepy next thing he woke, Cup 327 00:18:56,500 --> 00:18:58,600 and saw Toby peering out the tent. 328 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,500 The triangle was hovering above what appeared to be a dozen 329 00:19:01,500 --> 00:19:03,500 children standing in a meadow below them. 330 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,600 What are these kids doing out there in the middle of the night 331 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,100 said Loveless, they aren't, they aren't little kids don't you 332 00:19:10,100 --> 00:19:12,000 remember? They took us and they hurt us. 333 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,300 Toby answered Lovelace says the moment Toby said that fragmented 334 00:19:16,300 --> 00:19:20,100 memories of being inside the UFO flashed in his mind years later, 335 00:19:20,500 --> 00:19:24,400 hypnosis helped him fill in more blanks and he recalled actually 336 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,400 encountering creatures while inside the UFO. 337 00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:29,500 Now sounds like here. This article is written a little 338 00:19:29,500 --> 00:19:33,600 bit later and I possibly Loveless has been doing some 339 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,200 work on. Releasing some of the repressed 340 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:41,000 memories you could say the guy's just trying to catch the wave of 341 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,300 UFO UFO. Abduction. 342 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:45,500 Stories, you almost to make my selling a book but the thing is 343 00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:47,900 he appears to have an implant in his leg. 344 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:53,200 That's what really gets me NT. Secondly, this guy has a entire 345 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,800 history from childhood to adult of being a solid citizen. 346 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:00,300 He was a career military guy. He was an assistant AG in 347 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:04,500 Vermont and then he has this experience you know, before all 348 00:20:04,700 --> 00:20:07,200 That even with this UFO. So this this happened, his life 349 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,200 in his 20s, but he goes on from there. 350 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,900 He gets his law license. He practices in Samoa, he goes 351 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:15,600 and practices in Vermont, and he's telling you about something 352 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:21,400 that happened, you know, 35 45 years before that, so it's hard 353 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,300 to believe that somebody who was that mentally fragile, would 354 00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:28,800 have been able to be as successful as he was. 355 00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:32,400 It says, for some fact that the Pentagon has finally admitted, 356 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,400 it cannot explain the behavior of the objects. 357 00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:39,000 May have been a surprise but for PC Alan Godfrey 73. 358 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,800 It merely proves what he already knows on a Windswept and wet 359 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,700 West Yorkshire evening. And remember, 1980 Godfrey 360 00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:51,000 wasn't hot pursuit of a herd of Escape cows and Todd modems 361 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,200 housing estate. Instead of cows, he stumbled 362 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,300 across a giant levitating Diamond that would change the 363 00:20:58,300 --> 00:21:00,500 course of his life. Got a close encounter with this 364 00:21:00,500 --> 00:21:04,000 UFO went viral worldwide and transformed todmorden into 365 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,900 Britain's Roswell. Godfrey a nun, no-nonsense 366 00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:12,100 yorkshireman born and raised and Oldham is long retired from the 367 00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:14,000 force. But still recalls the events of 368 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,200 that night where he came face-to-face with the peculiar 369 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,800 object. A diamond-shaped aircraft, 370 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,100 hovering five feet off the ground while spinning on its 371 00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:24,400 axis. He just had time to sketch UFO 372 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,200 and his notepad before he was blinded, and he's next moment of 373 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,600 conscious awareness. He was sitting in his Patrol, 374 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,400 call his patrol car. The UFO was gone. 375 00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:36,200 I got out of the car. I looked at the road surface and 376 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,900 it was likely, it was like a Whirlpool. 377 00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:41,400 He says the UFOs rapid revolutions had arranged, the 378 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,800 dead cow Dead Leaves twigs, and other debris in Autumn theme. 379 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,200 Spiral in the aftermath of his encounter. 380 00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:52,200 He had visits from Ministry of Defence, correspondence, from a 381 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,100 Russian scientist, and enters from the rules press. 382 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,500 He even underwent hypnosis to uncover memories of his 383 00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:04,100 abduction. No, this is the second case the 384 00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:05,900 structures articles little bit. Strange, to me, I mean, they 385 00:22:05,908 --> 00:22:09,100 spend the first half, debunking the whole idea of UFOs and 386 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:13,300 abductions and then they give us these two really solid reports. 387 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:15,600 The first by Lovelace in the second here by Godfrey. 388 00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:18,000 It says Godfrey was ridiculed for years. 389 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,100 Many who claim to have had encounters with UFOs or are 390 00:22:20,108 --> 00:22:24,400 reluctant to go on the record for fear of the same treatment. 391 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,300 But things are changing. Well, we know people have fear 392 00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:30,600 going on the record because they don't want to be Eda person. 393 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,700 And then article continues on a little bit more quote, some of 394 00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:37,300 the deep State regulars that will take time to read. 395 00:22:37,300 --> 00:22:41,800 There was one other one here that I just wanted to finish up 396 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,900 our episode because I just think this Loveless case is so 397 00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:46,700 interesting. I never got a little sidetracked 398 00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:50,600 there, but this one is from n.w.a. online.com. 399 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,600 I says, one man's UFO story, author, discusses lifetime of 400 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,600 extraterrestrial encounters. It says is hard to dismiss. 401 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,900 Cherry Loveless, as a crazy man. He was an EMT and Medic in the 402 00:23:01,900 --> 00:23:04,700 Air Force earned a law degree from the University of Michigan 403 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,600 worked. As both a defense attorney, and 404 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,700 in the offices of Attorney, General always been married to 405 00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:14,500 the same woman for 46 years and raised a reportedly happy. 406 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:17,900 And functional family, doesn't sound like a nut Lovelace. 407 00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:20,400 Says he never intended to tell the rest of your story or to 408 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,700 write a book about it. Until he took up jogging in 409 00:23:23,708 --> 00:23:28,100 2012, although he always suffered from nightmares and 410 00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:31,100 hated being and wide open exposed places. 411 00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:33,600 It was, then he noticed something about his body, he 412 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,000 couldn't explain every time he said, he'd hit the to Mark a 413 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,800 place just above his knee, would go numb. 414 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,500 Finally medical tests revealed an unexplained piece of metal, 415 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,500 the size of a fingernail. Implanted in his leg. 416 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,600 It says it wasn't sharp. It wasn't trapped while he'd 417 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,000 never been in active combat. He'd never been through surgery. 418 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,500 There was no entrance car and he had no memory of ever being 419 00:23:58,500 --> 00:24:01,600 injured. Or did he Lovelace is the author 420 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,600 of incident at Devil's Den? A true story and one of the 421 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,900 speakers on the Russia for the 33rd annual, Ozark Mountain UFO 422 00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:11,100 conference and Uric Springs which has been rescheduled says, 423 00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:14,400 your for July 24th your 26. This must be from a couple years 424 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,500 ago. I think it says I want to be 425 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:21,300 clear from the start. He says, and interact news book. 426 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,000 I am not on a mission to change your mind about the topic of 427 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,100 UFOs were existence of alien life. 428 00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:30,300 I plan to take my story to my grave, but having started to 429 00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:33,400 tell it two years ago this month, when this book came out 430 00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:36,500 level of says, the experience of speaking at UFO. 431 00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:40,700 Conferences has largely been positive after 40 years is 432 00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:44,500 speaking to juries, I have zero anxiety, speaking in front of 433 00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:46,800 people. He says, I just tell my story. 434 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,900 En us', as honestly, as I can without embellishment people 435 00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:53,800 appreciated. Something about the story seems 436 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,500 to resonate that with them. He has also received some 1,300 437 00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:03,300 emails from people who claim. They too have been have had 438 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:05,700 experiences with ETS. Think about this guy was a 439 00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:10,900 lawyer for 40 years or better. I mean he's trying criminal 440 00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:14,400 cases if we really think that his story is just totally 441 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,900 nonsense. He's crazy. 442 00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:18,700 It's bogus whatever. Then shouldn't we go back and 443 00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:21,300 review every single case he's prosecuted? 444 00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:25,100 I mean, honestly, that Arc we just looked at, we spend the 445 00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:28,300 first half the article trying to deep person, someone like this. 446 00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:30,400 How do you D person somebody who's been a prosecuting 447 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,000 attorney for 40 years? I mean, how do you do that when 448 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,300 we've trusted this guy? Not only to be at a nuclear 449 00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:42,900 weapon sight, but we've trusted him to dispense Justice for 450 00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:46,600 decades. And if we don't trust him, then 451 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,900 every single one of those cases he was involved in. 452 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,900 Should be looked at. I have to trust us. 453 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,300 I mean, he's his history is impeccable. 454 00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:57,700 There is a core group of about 700 that really rang true. 455 00:25:57,700 --> 00:26:01,300 He says, by phone from his home in Dallas, there's certain 456 00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:03,300 Kamal, commonality, it runs through them. 457 00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:05,900 He's talking about the all of the different emails. 458 00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:08,800 He gets level has his own story starts, when he was a child 459 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,000 about eight years old, and started seeing little monkey, 460 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,100 like people and his bedroom at night. 461 00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:16,100 It continues with, sightings of UFOs, sometimes when he was 462 00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:20,400 alone, sometimes with these Air Force, buddy, Toby and sometimes 463 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,900 with his wife, and we're getting old. 464 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,700 More detail, here. This sounds like this guy was 465 00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:28,100 really targeted by these things, but it was a Devil's Den 466 00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:29,800 incident. That haunts him most to this 467 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,500 day, stationed at an Air Force stationed at an Air Force Base 468 00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:36,500 in Missouri Loveless, and his EMT colleague. 469 00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:42,600 Toby decided decision was very random, de site decided a 470 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,800 decision that was very random and out of character. 471 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,000 He says, to take a camping trip into Arkansas, Toby chose 472 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,900 Devil's Den but they didn't want to stay in the camp grounds at 473 00:26:50,908 --> 00:26:53,500 this at the State Park. To be found a summit outside the 474 00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:56,500 part where the intended to pitch a tent, watch the night sky, and 475 00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:00,400 take photos of majestic, overlooks and animals, 24 hours 476 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,100 later, their lives were changed forever levels believes that 477 00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:05,300 over the debt over that time period. 478 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,900 They both were taken aboard a spacecraft and whatever they did 479 00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:11,300 to me. Toby got a double dose of it. 480 00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:14,600 They never spoke about what happened, not on the drive, back 481 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,600 to Missouri, and not later. Except during one brief 482 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,600 encounter, when Loveless, assured Toby, but he wasn't 483 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,900 crazy. And it really did. 484 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,800 Happen is remembered it. Diagnosed with PTSD twice. 485 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,100 In recent years, level of says, writing the book was very 486 00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:31,000 therapeutic for me and I'm, and I'm glad that I did. 487 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,200 It speaking in public was really very helpful to me to, and, to 488 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,500 those who say, he's simply seeking attention, Loveless, has 489 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:41,700 this response to be honest, I don't need to sell books, that's 490 00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:44,200 not the object of my of the exercise. 491 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,900 If you think I'm a liar, there's nothing I can do to change that. 492 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,800 Have a nice stay, and it's a kind of a good attitude. 493 00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:54,800 So, what I like about This case is that we were able to see some 494 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,100 stuff that he'd written. A few years ago, I went to a 495 00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,900 book about the experience and just kind of put it out there 496 00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:04,600 and just give us a outline of what happened and then it 497 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,900 appears as if he's been doing some kind of therapy to access 498 00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:12,500 these repressed memories, which so many people that claim to 499 00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:16,900 have been abducted seem to have. And he's been able to flush out 500 00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:20,900 some more details, very sad that his friend, who was that Co 501 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:24,700 experiencer? Had such a tragic end to his 502 00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:28,800 life. I have to say I really find this 503 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,700 case believable, not just you know partly on the character of 504 00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:38,000 this Loveless but also from the x-rays of this. 505 00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:41,900 What appears pretty obvious to me to be an alien implant found 506 00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:45,000 there in his leg? And I think that the third 507 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,200 article we looked at just goes to show these kinds of 508 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,100 experiences. They aren't just It's not just 509 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,500 Loveless, it has them. These experiences have been had 510 00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:57,000 by many people all across the planet and they've been had by 511 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,500 people that, you know, law enforcement military people that 512 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:03,600 we consider to be reliable Witnesses. 513 00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:06,300 Until next time, this is UFO warning over now