Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning.
In this episode we're talking about FAA new UFO bill.
That's correct, the FA as new UFO bill.
Now this bill, which if becomes law, would supposedly make it
easier for pilots to report UFO sightings and reduce the fear of
retribution. Have to wonder what is going on
there. We're going to take a look at a
couple things. One, what's been going on with
these guys? And 1st just a look at a what I
guess many would consider a very interesting but somewhat typical
sighting that these pilots are having with these things.
I found this at theaviationgeekclub.com Aviation
geekclub.com. I'll have all these links over
at the Kofi site. You can find them there.
You can link from Spotify. It has a picture here and I
think this is a just kind of a random UFO sighting you have
this airplane looks like it's on take off.
There's a building that's flying over with a UFO, almost looks
saucer shaped from the picture but then they have an inset
where this pictures blown up at this UFO and it almost looks
more like a bean or maybe kind of a saucer with a triangle
piece cut out of it. It's obviously flying there at
an angle, not doing anything that a normal human made
airplane can do. Like I've said for a long time,
these things seem to have an unnatural interest in our in our
airplanes. They're just around airports all
the time. Definitely could present a
safety hazard now. This article is by Dario Leon,
dated December 23rd, 2023. It says quote that aircraft
defied physics UN quote Boeing 737 pilot recalls the odd UFO
sighting he had in the skies above Los Angeles.
Sightings of unidentified flying objects or Uaps, has had been
reported throughout history. Given the potential security and
safety risk they pose, as well as scientific curiosity, there's
increasing interest in understanding what these
sightings reports represent. Now, pilots have claimed to see
UFOs for decades. We're told sightings usually
involve objects flying in a formation or bright lines.
As John Cheshire, former U.S. Navy pilot and a former captain,
first officer and flight engineer for several US airlines
says on Quora Quote, I saw one that's a UFO many years ago.
However, before I explain that one sighting, let me preface by
saying that over my 4 decades of flying for both the military and
the airlines, I have indeed seen quite a number of unidentified
flying objects. Nevertheless, every one of these
UFO sightings was soon quickly identified by me or by others
later as something easily explainable and mundane and thus
no longer unidentified, except this singular one I now
described. I have to wonder if some of
those ones that he had first had looked at as UFOs and then they
say that, well, they later identified them.
Did they really identify them? Or did they just come up with an
excuse that seemed plausible? I think a lot of times folks are
so tilted with this normalcy bias that they'll just swallow
almost any excuse and just my opinion, he says.
I was a captain flying AB 737 late at night on a very short
leg from Las Vegas to Los Angeles.
This was sometime in the 1990s. It was late at night and the
more normal heavy air traffic around LAX was greatly reduced
at this late hour. At that time we were early into
our descent into LAX via the cold civet arrival.
It was a clear night and a smooth and comfortable flight
passing through 18,000 feet. We noticed what we thought was
another aircraft well off to our left and high above us.
We had no other traffic to observe than this one while we
were on perhaps a 30° intercept to the final arrival course.
This aircraft high and to our left appeared to be on the
normal straight in course to LAX.
We decided this approaching aircraft would not even be close
to being a conflict for us since it was well off in the distance.
We would intercept the final inbound course well ahead of him
since he was not a conflict approach.
Control never mentioned him to us either.
So they see this UFO, they don't ask ground control about it.
Ground control doesn't mention anything to them and they just
figure, yeah, we're good to go. Although this traffic off to our
left was on the normally expected radio and altitude for
the LAX arrival. One thing caught both my first
officer and IS odd. We were passing below 18,000
feet in our descent. This is the time and altitude
that airliners will normally turn on their landing lights for
AC and BC standard collision avoidance procedure.
However, although this other aircraft was still.
However, although this other aircraft was still well above
us, he already had all his bright landing lights on.
Quietly. I wondered to myself why his
lights were on so very early. It seemed very odd and I
wondered to myself if there was a reason for this.
So he sees this UFO, his bright lights underneath this thing and
the pilot he seems, well, this has got to be another pilot,
another airplane, you know, way off the distance, way above us.
And those bright lights must be his landing lights, even though
he seems like he hasn't turned on really early and at a much a
higher altitude than normal. Switching our radios from center
to LAX approach control, we turned our attention away from
that strange aircraft and concentrated on our approach at
hand. Nevertheless, I naturally and
briefly glanced a few times at our unusual inbound traffic.
Right before we made the right turn to intercept the final
approach course, I once again glanced up at our traffic.
What I saw I would never forget those bright lights we thought
were from an aircraft on approach, suddenly and almost
instantaneously moved horizontally across the night
sky by maybe 35 to 40° and at a considerable distance.
Nothing can move that fast. It defied physics.
I turned to my first officer and asked, did you see that his eyes
were as big as saucers as he said.
I sure did. There was no aircraft that I
knew for anything I could ever imagine moving that far and that
fast across the sky and then stopping instantly without any
apparent slowing, dead in space. Moreover, there is no man or
beast that could ever survive the amount of G forces both from
that extreme acceleration or the almost instantaneous stop.
There was no logical explanation what we had witnessed.
There was even no illogical explanation either.
To this day, decades later, I cannot explain what exactly you
saw. You can tell this boy left the
pressure on this pilot. He's coming for landing.
He sees this UFO off in the distance.
It just races across the horizon at unimaginable speeds and then
it stops. He's correct.
Nothing biological at least, and probably a lot of things that
aren't biological cannot withstand those G forces.
If you were a person who would just turn you to Jelly multiple
and distinguishable lights like in airliners, it says.
A few seconds after it had made this astonishing move, it made
another much shorter and very quick jump a couple of degrees
downward. By this time we were almost
passing through the localizer and we had to turn away from
this thing. As I look back over my shoulder,
I saw it move again horizontally towards earlier position
rapidly, but nowhere near the almost instantaneous movement
across the great span we saw earlier.
I later wondered if maybe it was a reflection from some kind of
Searchlight, but it was a clear night with no clouds to reflect
upon. Also, it had multiple and
distinguishable lights, just like an airliner's.
We've never reported this incident, although I have
thought about it over the years many times.
Really, What could we say? Besides, people look at you
funny when you say you saw something but don't know what.
It also involves a lot of paperwork too, we assumed, so we
kept quiet. Curiously, I do not even
remember my first officer and I ever talking about it.
Later, it was just one of those unexplained things that we could
not explain and did not even want to try.
Ironically, the following week I flew the same flight at the same
time, but we thankfully saw no UFOs this time.
What was very curious though was when we switched frequencies,
there was a lot of chatter, something unusual for that
usually slow time of night. All we could tell from the
chatter was that one or more crews had seen something.
There were transmissions from several aircraft that said,
yeah, we saw it too. Then center approach came up and
asked each aircraft that they wanted to make a report and
rapid sequence. They all said negative.
I never did either. It just shows you the bias of
these guys have toward getting involved, creating more work for
themselves. Yeah, what if?
What a fantastic sighting. So there you have an experienced
pilot telling you about his UFO sighting, and then he's telling
you about coming over the same area and other pilots also
having a sighting. Now it seems as though the
culture must just be so negative toward reporting these things.
Why else would these guys not want to report what they saw?
Just, you know, 60-70 years of socialization of these
professionals seeing people deperson.
They just do not want to talk about this stuff and risk losing
their their reputation, their job, their ability to make a
living. Now this article talking about
this new FAA proposed bill comes from newsnationnow.com.
That's News Nation now.com. The title of this article says
UAP Bipartisan Bill aims to Protect pilots Reporting
sightings. Bill aims to encourage pilots to
report any UFO sightings. FAA would would be required to
relay all reports to the DODAARO office and then it says that
dozens of pilots have witnessed UAPS have no safe space to
report according to Grace. Well, I think the report online,
I suppose I'm not so sure about this.
I mean it seems like more of a bottleneck.
I mean, you're just setting these reports to the FAA and
then they're turning around and sending them not just to the
DoD, but the A ARO office. The AR office has done nothing
for us as far as I can see regarding disclosure anyway, the
articles written by Devin Markham dated January 11th,
2024, it says a new bipartisan bill announced Thursday looks to
encourage commercial pilots to report sightings of UUAPS we
call UFOs to the United States government.
The effort, led by Representative Robert Garcia,
Democrat California and Representative Glenn Grotham,
Republican Wisconsin, aims to promote safe airspace for
Americans by encouraging pilots to report any potential
sightings to the government. It would also require the
Federal Aviation Administration to relay all reports to the
Department of Defense, all the main anomaly resolution office.
The bill will also set up legal safeguards for all pilots who
make these reports to the federal government.
See, they're already framing these things in kind of a a
warfighter mentality. They're not looking at them as I
say a criminal incursion or say a scientific inquiry, but
they're looking at these things as something to shoot down.
Now, I I don't totally understand this because, you
know, we've had this, these UFO sightings going on at these
airports for a long time. FAA has known about it.
The DoD has to have known about it.
I mean, look here, a couple years ago, we had the Jetpack
Man sightings over LAX that were going on constantly.
We just had Air Force One tagged by one of these things, so why
are they burying their heads in the sand and why would they quit
burying their their heads in the sand?
Now that's it's a little strange, but I suppose maybe any
progress is progress, so to speak, the article goes on.
It, says UAP. Transparency is incredibly
important for our national security, which is why we need
to create a space where those in aviation have the ability to
report their findings and experiences, Garcia said.
This bill is another step forward for disclosure and to
provide a safe process for UAP reporting by civilian and
commercial personnel. The Americans for Safe Aerospace
and Advocacy Organization for Aerospace Safety and National
Security has endorsed this legislation.
ASA executive Ryan Graves, I think he started that actually.
A former U.S. Navy pilot fighter pilot
testified before Congress last summer on his experience with
UAPS. During his testimony before the
House Oversight Committee, Graves asked Congress to provide
safe reporting options for commercial pilots.
Pilots are trained observers of our skies, but I have heard from
dozens of frustrated pilots for major airlines who witnessed UAP
yet had no confidential way to report them to the government,
Graves said. So obviously these guys are
worried about their careers that they're asking for for to be
able to report these things. You know, in confidence.
If passed, the bill will enable civilian aircrew, FAA air
traffic controllers, flight attendants, maintenance workers,
dispatchers, and airlines to report UAP encounters to the
FAA. These reports will allow the FAA
and DoD to investigate potential threats to the nation's
airspace. I wonder why these things don't
have onboard cameras like like semi trucks where they're
filming a lot of this stuff. Kind of like what a police
officer has, you know, body Cam, then we could record the stuff,
right? It says.
If passed, the bill will enable civilian aircrew, FAA air
traffic controls, flight attendants, maintenance workers,
dispatchers, and airlines to report UAP encounters to the
FAA. These reports will allow the FAA
and DoD to investigate potential threats to the national
airspace. Yeah, I wonder how much
investigation will actually get done.
All that information should be public, Garcia said.
It'll be the first time that aviation personnel and pilots
will actually be able to report these European counters to the
FAA. Well, if you wanted it public,
you would set up a website where these guys could just log on and
make the reports without having to attach their names to it.
Last year, whistleblower David Grosche, a former military
intelligence officer, came forward publicly and a News
Nation exclusive with allegations the government is
covering up a secret UFO crash retrieval program.
Well, they for sure seem to be ignoring the UFOs potential
crashes that are happening at the airports apparently about
every day of the week. And the article kind of goes on
and talks a little bit about David Grush.
A little bit it it has some quotes here from Jeremy Korbel
and basically just finishes up and says lawmakers were angered
last year by what they said was stonewalling from the defense
and intelligence communities in their quest For more
information. Well, that's my whole point.
If you're just going to funnel these pilot reports into the
hands of the Defense Department, that's not necessarily a good
idea because it's going to go into a black hole.
And that'll be the last time that you ever see him.
There needs to be a different way of doing this, a more open
and transparent way for these guys to get their stories out
there. As far as I'm concerned, they
can go on mufon new fork or just post their pictures and stories
online and do it anonymously if they have to.
The reason that we even need a bill like this can be found in
this article here from thedailymail.uk or the
dailymail.co.uk says commercial pilots were told not to speak
publicly about UFOs and had their jobs threatened, Experts
says Wasn't that nice? There had been dozens of reports
of strange lights in the north, across the Pacific and Atlantic
oceans, according to UFO witnesses.
Program host Ben Hansen Hansen said a couple of pilots who came
forward to him were brought into the office of their airlines
chief pilot and were threatened with losing their jobs.
It comes after a landmark hearing was held by Congress
Wednesday on UFOs where whistleblowers claimed flying
objects are extremely common in airspace.
Yeah, so who cares about safety? I mean, you know, see something,
don't say something. This is written by Kamal Sultan
for dailymail.com and says the data on this is July 27th, 2023,
so a little prior to what we've just been reading, the article
says commercial pilots have allegedly had their jobs
threatened if they reported UFO sightings and warned not to
speak about it. There have been dozens of
reports of strange lights in the Northern Hemisphere across the
Pacific and Atlantic Oceans, according to the host of
discoveries, UFO witness Ben Hansen.
He claimed in an interview with News Nation that some of the
sightings can be explained by a new satellite orbit.
But a lot of outlier cases started coming forward in
witchcraft were doing 90° turns, hovering and taking off in the
atmosphere, Hansen said. A couple of pilots who came
forward to him were hauled into the office of their airline's
chief pilot and threatened with losing their jobs.
It comes after the landmark hearing was held by Congress
Wednesday. Of course, this is back in July
on UFOs, where whistleblowers claim the flying objects were
extremely common in airspace. Well, they're common, obviously,
because we're hearing about them all the time, Hanson said.
He started to cover pilot reports on flying alien objects
because they were becoming more frequent.
About August of last year, I started reporting on pilot
reports because we were having dozens of people reporting
mainly toward the north, crossing the Pacific and the
Atlantic and seeing lights, he told News Nation.
Although we were able to explain some of that as a new starlink
kind of orbit, a lot of these, what I call outlier cases,
started coming forward where exactly like Graves and
indicated, these are doing 90° turns.
They're stopping, they're hovering and they're taking off
into the atmosphere. In other words, they're so in
your face, you just can't explain them away with some
silly excuse, he added. At least a couple of these
pilots who came to me were brought into their company,
their airline company chief pilot's office, and were
threatened basically with their jobs and told not to talk about
this. That surprised me because I
didn't think that that stigma was so heavy, especially in the
commercial industry. I would have to ask, where have
you been ask if there is a way for pilots to report UFOs
without the risk of losing their jobs, Hansen said.
It's getting there. I think we're still very far
away from it. Well, not just losing their
jobs, but possibly losing their reputations.
We are looking at avenues to do that.
That's probably going to be a civilian private sector solution
to this because it feels safer for them to do that until the
government has a better Ave. talk about some gobbledygook.
It's one thing to report to the government, it's another thing
to be that person who comes forward with your company and
now you're getting social media attention on it.
One of them put it nicely and said, you know, I could do a
video, a satellite, and put that on social media and my company
would say nothing. But if I do the same thing and
take a UFO video and tell people this is what I saw, that I'm in
trouble. It comes after rank.
Graves, a former F18 pilot with over a decade of service in the
US Navy, testified underoath in the congressional hearing that
UA P's unidentified aerial phenomenons are extremely common
in airspace. He told the committee he and
more than 30 aircrew members and veterans.
Have experienced them along with members of Congress who have
confided in him, Graves said. As an F18 pilot in the red
rippers, their squadron was split by UAP during a training
mission near Virginia Beach in 2014.
He described the object as very Gray or black inside a
transparent sphere. It was about 15 feet in diameter
and came within 50 feet of the lead aircraft.
The mission commander ended the flight and the squadron
submitted a safety report, Graves continued to explain.
This story is more common than we expect, Graves said.
More than 30 witnesses have told this group about similar
sightings. Often they are veterans with
decades of flying experience, he added.
Graves also said Uaps are in our airspace but are grossly
underreported. You can imagine.
David Gresh, a former high-ranking intelligence
officer, spoke next, providing details about how the US
government has intact and partially intact
extraterrestrial vehicles. He has privileges, said the US
has run a top secret UFO retrieval program for decades
and claimed the Vatican was involved in the first ever UFO
crash. Goes on and talks about crush
here a little bit. Well the fact is, is that these
people that are reporting these UFO sightings near the airports
or you know on these commercial flights, they're not trying to
make some kind of crazy, what some people would say, crazy
outlandish claim that the government is hiding UFOs and
and non biological or biological, non human biological
creatures. Although in my opinion, that can
be quite possible. But the media sees that as kind
of this wild, unsubstantiated claim.
The fact is we have lots and lots of commercial pilots out
there that are seeing these things all the time, and they're
afraid to report them. And they're afraid to report
them because they've been intimidated by their bosses,
because it may be they're afraid of losing their reputation
because they're afraid of losing a job.
They love the income that they need.
That's all the social pressure that's been created to keep
people from reporting these things.
And we can see that this was started by the government clear
back of the night 19, you know, 30s and 40s when UFOs really
came on the scene. You had these different,
different government projects that were disguised as
operations to investigate these things when they really seem
like they were nothing more than investigation to suppress the
truth and deperson the people that reported him.
Now we've come out, we've still continue to have these pilot
sightings that sometimes get reported anonymously online,
probably the best way to do it and seems like now we even have
a couple of congressmen trying to put some legislation out
there so that people are allowed to report these things without
fear of retribution. Either way you get it, the more
important the better I suppose really an interesting subject.
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