1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,280 Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning. 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:10,240 In this episode we're talking about FAA new UFO bill. 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,360 That's correct, the FA as new UFO bill. 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:18,200 Now this bill, which if becomes law, would supposedly make it 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:23,880 easier for pilots to report UFO sightings and reduce the fear of 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,880 retribution. Have to wonder what is going on 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,520 there. We're going to take a look at a 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,600 couple things. One, what's been going on with 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,960 these guys? And 1st just a look at a what I 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,400 guess many would consider a very interesting but somewhat typical 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,720 sighting that these pilots are having with these things. 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,200 I found this at theaviationgeekclub.com Aviation 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,640 geekclub.com. I'll have all these links over 14 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,800 at the Kofi site. You can find them there. 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:56,480 You can link from Spotify. It has a picture here and I 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,760 think this is a just kind of a random UFO sighting you have 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,800 this airplane looks like it's on take off. 18 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,160 There's a building that's flying over with a UFO, almost looks 19 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,960 saucer shaped from the picture but then they have an inset 20 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:13,600 where this pictures blown up at this UFO and it almost looks 21 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,240 more like a bean or maybe kind of a saucer with a triangle 22 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:21,840 piece cut out of it. It's obviously flying there at 23 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,760 an angle, not doing anything that a normal human made 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,240 airplane can do. Like I've said for a long time, 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,640 these things seem to have an unnatural interest in our in our 26 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,160 airplanes. They're just around airports all 27 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,040 the time. Definitely could present a 28 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,080 safety hazard now. This article is by Dario Leon, 29 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,640 dated December 23rd, 2023. It says quote that aircraft 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,960 defied physics UN quote Boeing 737 pilot recalls the odd UFO 31 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,920 sighting he had in the skies above Los Angeles. 32 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,960 Sightings of unidentified flying objects or Uaps, has had been 33 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,960 reported throughout history. Given the potential security and 34 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,880 safety risk they pose, as well as scientific curiosity, there's 35 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,800 increasing interest in understanding what these 36 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,640 sightings reports represent. Now, pilots have claimed to see 37 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:18,200 UFOs for decades. We're told sightings usually 38 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,640 involve objects flying in a formation or bright lines. 39 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:27,280 As John Cheshire, former U.S. Navy pilot and a former captain, 40 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,640 first officer and flight engineer for several US airlines 41 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:35,960 says on Quora Quote, I saw one that's a UFO many years ago. 42 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,640 However, before I explain that one sighting, let me preface by 43 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:44,200 saying that over my 4 decades of flying for both the military and 44 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,640 the airlines, I have indeed seen quite a number of unidentified 45 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:52,000 flying objects. Nevertheless, every one of these 46 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,400 UFO sightings was soon quickly identified by me or by others 47 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,440 later as something easily explainable and mundane and thus 48 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,720 no longer unidentified, except this singular one I now 49 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,880 described. I have to wonder if some of 50 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,840 those ones that he had first had looked at as UFOs and then they 51 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,960 say that, well, they later identified them. 52 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,480 Did they really identify them? Or did they just come up with an 53 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,600 excuse that seemed plausible? I think a lot of times folks are 54 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,400 so tilted with this normalcy bias that they'll just swallow 55 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,600 almost any excuse and just my opinion, he says. 56 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,040 I was a captain flying AB 737 late at night on a very short 57 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,240 leg from Las Vegas to Los Angeles. 58 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,240 This was sometime in the 1990s. It was late at night and the 59 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,600 more normal heavy air traffic around LAX was greatly reduced 60 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,760 at this late hour. At that time we were early into 61 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,240 our descent into LAX via the cold civet arrival. 62 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,240 It was a clear night and a smooth and comfortable flight 63 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,960 passing through 18,000 feet. We noticed what we thought was 64 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,400 another aircraft well off to our left and high above us. 65 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,360 We had no other traffic to observe than this one while we 66 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,840 were on perhaps a 30° intercept to the final arrival course. 67 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,000 This aircraft high and to our left appeared to be on the 68 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,360 normal straight in course to LAX. 69 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,880 We decided this approaching aircraft would not even be close 70 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:25,040 to being a conflict for us since it was well off in the distance. 71 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,240 We would intercept the final inbound course well ahead of him 72 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,200 since he was not a conflict approach. 73 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,880 Control never mentioned him to us either. 74 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,520 So they see this UFO, they don't ask ground control about it. 75 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,800 Ground control doesn't mention anything to them and they just 76 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,160 figure, yeah, we're good to go. Although this traffic off to our 77 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,880 left was on the normally expected radio and altitude for 78 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,480 the LAX arrival. One thing caught both my first 79 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,480 officer and IS odd. We were passing below 18,000 80 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,680 feet in our descent. This is the time and altitude 81 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,120 that airliners will normally turn on their landing lights for 82 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,240 AC and BC standard collision avoidance procedure. 83 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,920 However, although this other aircraft was still. 84 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,160 However, although this other aircraft was still well above 85 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,360 us, he already had all his bright landing lights on. 86 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,760 Quietly. I wondered to myself why his 87 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:29,440 lights were on so very early. It seemed very odd and I 88 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,680 wondered to myself if there was a reason for this. 89 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:37,680 So he sees this UFO, his bright lights underneath this thing and 90 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,280 the pilot he seems, well, this has got to be another pilot, 91 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,440 another airplane, you know, way off the distance, way above us. 92 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,720 And those bright lights must be his landing lights, even though 93 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,280 he seems like he hasn't turned on really early and at a much a 94 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:57,360 higher altitude than normal. Switching our radios from center 95 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,480 to LAX approach control, we turned our attention away from 96 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,240 that strange aircraft and concentrated on our approach at 97 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,680 hand. Nevertheless, I naturally and 98 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,440 briefly glanced a few times at our unusual inbound traffic. 99 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,240 Right before we made the right turn to intercept the final 100 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,320 approach course, I once again glanced up at our traffic. 101 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,080 What I saw I would never forget those bright lights we thought 102 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,080 were from an aircraft on approach, suddenly and almost 103 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,160 instantaneously moved horizontally across the night 104 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:32,480 sky by maybe 35 to 40° and at a considerable distance. 105 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,960 Nothing can move that fast. It defied physics. 106 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,840 I turned to my first officer and asked, did you see that his eyes 107 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:41,600 were as big as saucers as he said. 108 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:44,840 I sure did. There was no aircraft that I 109 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:49,720 knew for anything I could ever imagine moving that far and that 110 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,640 fast across the sky and then stopping instantly without any 111 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:58,520 apparent slowing, dead in space. Moreover, there is no man or 112 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,880 beast that could ever survive the amount of G forces both from 113 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,920 that extreme acceleration or the almost instantaneous stop. 114 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,440 There was no logical explanation what we had witnessed. 115 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,720 There was even no illogical explanation either. 116 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:21,720 To this day, decades later, I cannot explain what exactly you 117 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,760 saw. You can tell this boy left the 118 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,720 pressure on this pilot. He's coming for landing. 119 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,520 He sees this UFO off in the distance. 120 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,520 It just races across the horizon at unimaginable speeds and then 121 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,640 it stops. He's correct. 122 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,680 Nothing biological at least, and probably a lot of things that 123 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,600 aren't biological cannot withstand those G forces. 124 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,760 If you were a person who would just turn you to Jelly multiple 125 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,240 and distinguishable lights like in airliners, it says. 126 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,880 A few seconds after it had made this astonishing move, it made 127 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,160 another much shorter and very quick jump a couple of degrees 128 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,880 downward. By this time we were almost 129 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,640 passing through the localizer and we had to turn away from 130 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,280 this thing. As I look back over my shoulder, 131 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,080 I saw it move again horizontally towards earlier position 132 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,120 rapidly, but nowhere near the almost instantaneous movement 133 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,000 across the great span we saw earlier. 134 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,640 I later wondered if maybe it was a reflection from some kind of 135 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,640 Searchlight, but it was a clear night with no clouds to reflect 136 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,040 upon. Also, it had multiple and 137 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,720 distinguishable lights, just like an airliner's. 138 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,680 We've never reported this incident, although I have 139 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,799 thought about it over the years many times. 140 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,400 Really, What could we say? Besides, people look at you 141 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,840 funny when you say you saw something but don't know what. 142 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,000 It also involves a lot of paperwork too, we assumed, so we 143 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,680 kept quiet. Curiously, I do not even 144 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:50,400 remember my first officer and I ever talking about it. 145 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,120 Later, it was just one of those unexplained things that we could 146 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,800 not explain and did not even want to try. 147 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,360 Ironically, the following week I flew the same flight at the same 148 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,720 time, but we thankfully saw no UFOs this time. 149 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,280 What was very curious though was when we switched frequencies, 150 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,760 there was a lot of chatter, something unusual for that 151 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,560 usually slow time of night. All we could tell from the 152 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:17,080 chatter was that one or more crews had seen something. 153 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,120 There were transmissions from several aircraft that said, 154 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,960 yeah, we saw it too. Then center approach came up and 155 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,640 asked each aircraft that they wanted to make a report and 156 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,960 rapid sequence. They all said negative. 157 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,000 I never did either. It just shows you the bias of 158 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,720 these guys have toward getting involved, creating more work for 159 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,160 themselves. Yeah, what if? 160 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,920 What a fantastic sighting. So there you have an experienced 161 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,600 pilot telling you about his UFO sighting, and then he's telling 162 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:48,080 you about coming over the same area and other pilots also 163 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,560 having a sighting. Now it seems as though the 164 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:56,480 culture must just be so negative toward reporting these things. 165 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,680 Why else would these guys not want to report what they saw? 166 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,760 Just, you know, 60-70 years of socialization of these 167 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,840 professionals seeing people deperson. 168 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,200 They just do not want to talk about this stuff and risk losing 169 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,560 their their reputation, their job, their ability to make a 170 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,320 living. Now this article talking about 171 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,720 this new FAA proposed bill comes from newsnationnow.com. 172 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,080 That's News Nation now.com. The title of this article says 173 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,640 UAP Bipartisan Bill aims to Protect pilots Reporting 174 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,440 sightings. Bill aims to encourage pilots to 175 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,760 report any UFO sightings. FAA would would be required to 176 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:43,120 relay all reports to the DODAARO office and then it says that 177 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,960 dozens of pilots have witnessed UAPS have no safe space to 178 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,640 report according to Grace. Well, I think the report online, 179 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,800 I suppose I'm not so sure about this. 180 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,800 I mean it seems like more of a bottleneck. 181 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,360 I mean, you're just setting these reports to the FAA and 182 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,120 then they're turning around and sending them not just to the 183 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,320 DoD, but the A ARO office. The AR office has done nothing 184 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,440 for us as far as I can see regarding disclosure anyway, the 185 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,600 articles written by Devin Markham dated January 11th, 186 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,960 2024, it says a new bipartisan bill announced Thursday looks to 187 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,520 encourage commercial pilots to report sightings of UUAPS we 188 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,960 call UFOs to the United States government. 189 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,800 The effort, led by Representative Robert Garcia, 190 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,840 Democrat California and Representative Glenn Grotham, 191 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,520 Republican Wisconsin, aims to promote safe airspace for 192 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,800 Americans by encouraging pilots to report any potential 193 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,640 sightings to the government. It would also require the 194 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:39,720 Federal Aviation Administration to relay all reports to the 195 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,920 Department of Defense, all the main anomaly resolution office. 196 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,320 The bill will also set up legal safeguards for all pilots who 197 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,280 make these reports to the federal government. 198 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,520 See, they're already framing these things in kind of a a 199 00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:00,600 warfighter mentality. They're not looking at them as I 200 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:05,280 say a criminal incursion or say a scientific inquiry, but 201 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,240 they're looking at these things as something to shoot down. 202 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:10,320 Now, I I don't totally understand this because, you 203 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,200 know, we've had this, these UFO sightings going on at these 204 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,760 airports for a long time. FAA has known about it. 205 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,240 The DoD has to have known about it. 206 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,640 I mean, look here, a couple years ago, we had the Jetpack 207 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,320 Man sightings over LAX that were going on constantly. 208 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,120 We just had Air Force One tagged by one of these things, so why 209 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,440 are they burying their heads in the sand and why would they quit 210 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,080 burying their their heads in the sand? 211 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,640 Now that's it's a little strange, but I suppose maybe any 212 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,720 progress is progress, so to speak, the article goes on. 213 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,400 It, says UAP. Transparency is incredibly 214 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,800 important for our national security, which is why we need 215 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,200 to create a space where those in aviation have the ability to 216 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,400 report their findings and experiences, Garcia said. 217 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,640 This bill is another step forward for disclosure and to 218 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,600 provide a safe process for UAP reporting by civilian and 219 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,080 commercial personnel. The Americans for Safe Aerospace 220 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,240 and Advocacy Organization for Aerospace Safety and National 221 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,560 Security has endorsed this legislation. 222 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:13,000 ASA executive Ryan Graves, I think he started that actually. 223 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,560 A former U.S. Navy pilot fighter pilot 224 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:19,480 testified before Congress last summer on his experience with 225 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,680 UAPS. During his testimony before the 226 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:24,840 House Oversight Committee, Graves asked Congress to provide 227 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,240 safe reporting options for commercial pilots. 228 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,120 Pilots are trained observers of our skies, but I have heard from 229 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,120 dozens of frustrated pilots for major airlines who witnessed UAP 230 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,760 yet had no confidential way to report them to the government, 231 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,080 Graves said. So obviously these guys are 232 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,600 worried about their careers that they're asking for for to be 233 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,720 able to report these things. You know, in confidence. 234 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,800 If passed, the bill will enable civilian aircrew, FAA air 235 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,920 traffic controllers, flight attendants, maintenance workers, 236 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,320 dispatchers, and airlines to report UAP encounters to the 237 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,640 FAA. These reports will allow the FAA 238 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,440 and DoD to investigate potential threats to the nation's 239 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,200 airspace. I wonder why these things don't 240 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,200 have onboard cameras like like semi trucks where they're 241 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,760 filming a lot of this stuff. Kind of like what a police 242 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,440 officer has, you know, body Cam, then we could record the stuff, 243 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:19,920 right? It says. 244 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,120 If passed, the bill will enable civilian aircrew, FAA air 245 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,320 traffic controls, flight attendants, maintenance workers, 246 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,720 dispatchers, and airlines to report UAP encounters to the 247 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,800 FAA. These reports will allow the FAA 248 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,280 and DoD to investigate potential threats to the national 249 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,160 airspace. Yeah, I wonder how much 250 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,840 investigation will actually get done. 251 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,640 All that information should be public, Garcia said. 252 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,560 It'll be the first time that aviation personnel and pilots 253 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,720 will actually be able to report these European counters to the 254 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,200 FAA. Well, if you wanted it public, 255 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,640 you would set up a website where these guys could just log on and 256 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,760 make the reports without having to attach their names to it. 257 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,120 Last year, whistleblower David Grosche, a former military 258 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,040 intelligence officer, came forward publicly and a News 259 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,880 Nation exclusive with allegations the government is 260 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,720 covering up a secret UFO crash retrieval program. 261 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,480 Well, they for sure seem to be ignoring the UFOs potential 262 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,680 crashes that are happening at the airports apparently about 263 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,000 every day of the week. And the article kind of goes on 264 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,400 and talks a little bit about David Grush. 265 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,600 A little bit it it has some quotes here from Jeremy Korbel 266 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,800 and basically just finishes up and says lawmakers were angered 267 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,520 last year by what they said was stonewalling from the defense 268 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,360 and intelligence communities in their quest For more 269 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,440 information. Well, that's my whole point. 270 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,680 If you're just going to funnel these pilot reports into the 271 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,320 hands of the Defense Department, that's not necessarily a good 272 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,240 idea because it's going to go into a black hole. 273 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,280 And that'll be the last time that you ever see him. 274 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,400 There needs to be a different way of doing this, a more open 275 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,680 and transparent way for these guys to get their stories out 276 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,200 there. As far as I'm concerned, they 277 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,880 can go on mufon new fork or just post their pictures and stories 278 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,400 online and do it anonymously if they have to. 279 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,320 The reason that we even need a bill like this can be found in 280 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,040 this article here from thedailymail.uk or the 281 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,920 dailymail.co.uk says commercial pilots were told not to speak 282 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,280 publicly about UFOs and had their jobs threatened, Experts 283 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,880 says Wasn't that nice? There had been dozens of reports 284 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,600 of strange lights in the north, across the Pacific and Atlantic 285 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,040 oceans, according to UFO witnesses. 286 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,960 Program host Ben Hansen Hansen said a couple of pilots who came 287 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,160 forward to him were brought into the office of their airlines 288 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,240 chief pilot and were threatened with losing their jobs. 289 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,800 It comes after a landmark hearing was held by Congress 290 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,960 Wednesday on UFOs where whistleblowers claimed flying 291 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,480 objects are extremely common in airspace. 292 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,600 Yeah, so who cares about safety? I mean, you know, see something, 293 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,880 don't say something. This is written by Kamal Sultan 294 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,600 for dailymail.com and says the data on this is July 27th, 2023, 295 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,600 so a little prior to what we've just been reading, the article 296 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,840 says commercial pilots have allegedly had their jobs 297 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,119 threatened if they reported UFO sightings and warned not to 298 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,480 speak about it. There have been dozens of 299 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,480 reports of strange lights in the Northern Hemisphere across the 300 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,040 Pacific and Atlantic Oceans, according to the host of 301 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,200 discoveries, UFO witness Ben Hansen. 302 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,960 He claimed in an interview with News Nation that some of the 303 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,119 sightings can be explained by a new satellite orbit. 304 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,600 But a lot of outlier cases started coming forward in 305 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:33,640 witchcraft were doing 90° turns, hovering and taking off in the 306 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,880 atmosphere, Hansen said. A couple of pilots who came 307 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,200 forward to him were hauled into the office of their airline's 308 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,720 chief pilot and threatened with losing their jobs. 309 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,680 It comes after the landmark hearing was held by Congress 310 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,280 Wednesday. Of course, this is back in July 311 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,240 on UFOs, where whistleblowers claim the flying objects were 312 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,240 extremely common in airspace. Well, they're common, obviously, 313 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,320 because we're hearing about them all the time, Hanson said. 314 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,360 He started to cover pilot reports on flying alien objects 315 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:03,280 because they were becoming more frequent. 316 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:08,040 About August of last year, I started reporting on pilot 317 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,120 reports because we were having dozens of people reporting 318 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,800 mainly toward the north, crossing the Pacific and the 319 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,920 Atlantic and seeing lights, he told News Nation. 320 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,080 Although we were able to explain some of that as a new starlink 321 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,400 kind of orbit, a lot of these, what I call outlier cases, 322 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,280 started coming forward where exactly like Graves and 323 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,440 indicated, these are doing 90° turns. 324 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,320 They're stopping, they're hovering and they're taking off 325 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,440 into the atmosphere. In other words, they're so in 326 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,480 your face, you just can't explain them away with some 327 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,120 silly excuse, he added. At least a couple of these 328 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:45,840 pilots who came to me were brought into their company, 329 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,320 their airline company chief pilot's office, and were 330 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,800 threatened basically with their jobs and told not to talk about 331 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,760 this. That surprised me because I 332 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,760 didn't think that that stigma was so heavy, especially in the 333 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,000 commercial industry. I would have to ask, where have 334 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,720 you been ask if there is a way for pilots to report UFOs 335 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,000 without the risk of losing their jobs, Hansen said. 336 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,640 It's getting there. I think we're still very far 337 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,760 away from it. Well, not just losing their 338 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,920 jobs, but possibly losing their reputations. 339 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,240 We are looking at avenues to do that. 340 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,040 That's probably going to be a civilian private sector solution 341 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:22,560 to this because it feels safer for them to do that until the 342 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,960 government has a better Ave. talk about some gobbledygook. 343 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,400 It's one thing to report to the government, it's another thing 344 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,240 to be that person who comes forward with your company and 345 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,920 now you're getting social media attention on it. 346 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,720 One of them put it nicely and said, you know, I could do a 347 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,320 video, a satellite, and put that on social media and my company 348 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,720 would say nothing. But if I do the same thing and 349 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,840 take a UFO video and tell people this is what I saw, that I'm in 350 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,680 trouble. It comes after rank. 351 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,200 Graves, a former F18 pilot with over a decade of service in the 352 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,040 US Navy, testified underoath in the congressional hearing that 353 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:02,440 UA P's unidentified aerial phenomenons are extremely common 354 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,760 in airspace. He told the committee he and 355 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,120 more than 30 aircrew members and veterans. 356 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,920 Have experienced them along with members of Congress who have 357 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,760 confided in him, Graves said. As an F18 pilot in the red 358 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:19,120 rippers, their squadron was split by UAP during a training 359 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:21,880 mission near Virginia Beach in 2014. 360 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:26,720 He described the object as very Gray or black inside a 361 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,120 transparent sphere. It was about 15 feet in diameter 362 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,040 and came within 50 feet of the lead aircraft. 363 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:36,200 The mission commander ended the flight and the squadron 364 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,280 submitted a safety report, Graves continued to explain. 365 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,840 This story is more common than we expect, Graves said. 366 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,360 More than 30 witnesses have told this group about similar 367 00:20:46,360 --> 00:20:48,600 sightings. Often they are veterans with 368 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,760 decades of flying experience, he added. 369 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,680 Graves also said Uaps are in our airspace but are grossly 370 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,440 underreported. You can imagine. 371 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,880 David Gresh, a former high-ranking intelligence 372 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,480 officer, spoke next, providing details about how the US 373 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,400 government has intact and partially intact 374 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,280 extraterrestrial vehicles. He has privileges, said the US 375 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,640 has run a top secret UFO retrieval program for decades 376 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,520 and claimed the Vatican was involved in the first ever UFO 377 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,520 crash. Goes on and talks about crush 378 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,040 here a little bit. Well the fact is, is that these 379 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,520 people that are reporting these UFO sightings near the airports 380 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:30,360 or you know on these commercial flights, they're not trying to 381 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,240 make some kind of crazy, what some people would say, crazy 382 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:41,240 outlandish claim that the government is hiding UFOs and 383 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,640 and non biological or biological, non human biological 384 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,680 creatures. Although in my opinion, that can 385 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,880 be quite possible. But the media sees that as kind 386 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,120 of this wild, unsubstantiated claim. 387 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,320 The fact is we have lots and lots of commercial pilots out 388 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,040 there that are seeing these things all the time, and they're 389 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,400 afraid to report them. And they're afraid to report 390 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,880 them because they've been intimidated by their bosses, 391 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,360 because it may be they're afraid of losing their reputation 392 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,680 because they're afraid of losing a job. 393 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,760 They love the income that they need. 394 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,720 That's all the social pressure that's been created to keep 395 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,920 people from reporting these things. 396 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,040 And we can see that this was started by the government clear 397 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,880 back of the night 19, you know, 30s and 40s when UFOs really 398 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,160 came on the scene. You had these different, 399 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,920 different government projects that were disguised as 400 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,400 operations to investigate these things when they really seem 401 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,360 like they were nothing more than investigation to suppress the 402 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:37,040 truth and deperson the people that reported him. 403 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,560 Now we've come out, we've still continue to have these pilot 404 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,120 sightings that sometimes get reported anonymously online, 405 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:48,280 probably the best way to do it and seems like now we even have 406 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,320 a couple of congressmen trying to put some legislation out 407 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,280 there so that people are allowed to report these things without 408 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,680 fear of retribution. Either way you get it, the more 409 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,640 important the better I suppose really an interesting subject. 410 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,560 Now I just want to point out before I close, I've had a lot 411 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,960 of good comments on Spotify site. 412 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,560 And the thing I should remind you though is even if it's a 413 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:16,160 good comment, I can't post it if there are, you know, four letter 414 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,480 words used. I mean you know the four letter 415 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,760 words, the ones that we can't say on the program because we 416 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,440 want to keep the clean rating and it's important to keep the 417 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,640 clean rating on the program so that it gets a decent 418 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,280 distribution. So if you make a comment and 419 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,680 there's one of those 4 words, four letter words that we can't 420 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,640 say, then I can't print it because I have no way of editing 421 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,520 the comments. So if you happen to be one of 422 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,520 those people that have made that comment and you're wondering why 423 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,960 your comment hasn't been published, go ahead and publish 424 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:51,320 to get publish it again without the said four letter words. 425 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,880 And I'll try to get to it and put it up for you because I 426 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,480 really do appreciate all the interaction. 427 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,840 It shows that people are listening to the program and I 428 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,920 like to hear your opinion on it. We want to be able to get those 429 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,240 comments posted where everybody can see them. 430 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,680 Until next time, this is UFO Warning. 431 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,440 Over and out.