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And alien abductees support group.
Now, this article comes to us from back in August 14th. 2009
will set ghostwritten by Julie Chang and Jim dumb run from ABC
News. The title, says, abducted, by
aliens, Believers tell their story, and then below that, it
says, Jurors say extraterrestrials abducted them
and haunt their lives and that doesn't sound like a very
positive experience to me. You know, seems like a lot of
times when I look at the darker side of the UFO phenomenon, I
get some negative comments that people leave thinking that, you
know, it's, it's too critical or too conservative or this or
that. But if we're looking at this
phenomenon, that when you look at the whole range of
experiences, and people can say, well they've had great
experiences. They enjoy watching these things
or whatever. But we also need to take a look
at what these folks are saying who have been abducted by these
things and have had some really bad things happen to him.
Otherwise how do we ever really get our mind around?
What's going on here? It says August 17 2009.
In a small New England Town member members of a support
group which boasts a growing membership of 1500 gather for a
secret meeting. That's an awful lot of people
who have been through this. The same thing.
It says, I won't let you know that you're not alone.
The group leader began a twin sisters, Audrey and Debbie who
have asked that their last name and Hometown be withheld.
Have also come a long way to share their experiences quote.
It was a long tiresome battle. Audrey said that's impacted me
and my life tremendously tremendously.
I'm still in therapy the group that's assembled for this
meeting is not struggling with alcohol drugs.
Sex addiction or gambling. The part of a star part of a
star born and alien experience, and awesomeness support group.
Catering to those who say they've been abducted by aliens.
Many people have wondered are earthlings living on a speck of
dust alone in every universe or are there other intelligent life
forms out there in the cosmos? Nearly half of all Americans,
and millions more globally. Believe we're not alone
according to a 2008 ABC poll while 40 million Americans say,
they're say they have seen or know someone who has seen and
unidentified flying object a growing number believe.
They've actually met aliens, I think about that. 40 million
people say that they've either seen a UFO or know somebody that
has seen a UFO and this is from 14 years ago.
So, when they tell you that, these things are nothing more
than balloons or drones or blowing crashing, the wind and
the anybody who report seeing one is a brick short of a load.
Just remember, 40 million people, Audrey and Debbie.
Not only said that when a said that aliens exist but that
they've made contact with them. The twin set is started, when
they were young quote, I was probably about five years old or
so and had and had a bright blue light, come into the room, and
the door would open. And Would be like a foggy kind
of misty. Blue light.
Just shining through the whole house.
Idris said these two figures would come in.
There would be a tall one. They had black eyes but they
were bold and head big eyes. You can imagine how this would
have terrorized a five-year-old child?
Audrey and her sister called their visitors, the bold man,
but they've known, but they're better known and UFO circles as
the grace. A race of extraterrestrials
categorized by the grayish color of their skin.
The twins first encountered the, the twins first encounters, the
aliens. They say came during childhood.
He continued into adulthood. They also believe they have been
abducted together on the same spaceship, only to compare
stories afterwards. We have been together on
abductions, Audrey said we He had been up and crafts and seen
our houses from above. So we realize that we are not,
so we realized that they are not from here, they are very good at
mind erasing or whatever you want to call it.
They'll leave you with hints and pieces of things you can
remember, but we do remember, certain things of being there
together that would have to be traumatizing to have had these
experiences and then only be able to recall bits and pieces.
When asked why As we continue to abduct them together, the twins
had no explanation. Well, you know, look what
happened in World War Two with a Nazis.
I mean, they these evil scientist love.
Nothing more to get a hold of twins because then they had a,
they had a bill to control group.
And so yeah, it would only be natural to want to abduct twins
because then you could run all kinds of tests on them to see
how they responded. It says, that's the question.
I always ask myself Davis. Said, and a lot of in, a lot of
times I'll wake up in tears saying, why me, why me, why
can't this happen to somebody else?
It goes on to say extraterrestrials can embody
people's fears and no matter what?
Anyone else believes people, like, Audrey and Debbie are
convinced that what they witnessed is real.
Quote, I remember one time being a spaceship and standing there
on the spaceship and the floor and the walls disappeared and I
was staring at the Earth. Davey said, they said they
realize their stories sound too. Fantastic and times, like the
stuff of sci-fi Blockbusters and science fiction.
Aliens were often Anthropomorphic and benign
creatures, like ET, My Favorite Martian, the classic Star Trek
television series, or the hit movie.
Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
Well, of course, Hollywood has to present these things in a way
that doesn't frighten people too much because the people were
frightened too much. They wouldn't go see the movies.
But extraterrestrials can also embody people's fears looking
radically different from human life.
Pop culture, depictions of aliens, don't seem to be
showing, don't seem to be slowing down on cable.
There's the acclaimed mind series, Torchwood Children of
the Earth where the aliens sent us.
Her thoughts are spoken through the possess children and this
fall ABC will add a new series to the list of those on
creatures from outer space courses.
Would have been 14 years ago, the members of starborn believe,
however, that this is not just to step aside.
It's fiction. But fact, they said that coming
forward with their beliefs is challenging tyrol.
Copeland of former US Marine. Traveled the footage to attend
the secret meeting driving 600 miles from rural Virginia,
Copeland's foray into the Paranormal began, two years ago
with a UFO sighting. He said he was capped said he he
said was capturing his cell phone from his apartment in
downtown Suffolk Virginia. It was an orb of light.
He said just a big ball of light.
It wasn't moving. One was solid white, the other
was directly across the street from it at 300 feet above the
ground, and it was changing colors.
Very rapidly. This is, this is, this is not
unusual, something's wrong here. Maybe I am in over my head.
I am not supposed to be looking at this tough Copeland 27 who
drives for class at a warehouse for living recalled thanking.
But after the video, what Copeland said he witnessed in,
the sky was posted on YouTube. You said a strange visitor came
to it. Front door.
I woke up from the nap. I woke up from the nap by the
sound of someone trying to enter my apartment.
He said and I said, who is it? There was no answer still just,
you know, you can see the doorknob moving and like a
scratching on the door and I keep a firearm, it was on my
table and my thought was to get up and check.
I was in complete paralysis. The only thing I could move
where my eyes and I Heard a Voice through the door.
Say you don't need that weapon. And we don't harm soon.
After Copla said, he started to experience what he calls missing
time during a span of two nights.
Copeland said, he missed four hours, not as a result of sleep,
that sounds like a pretty traumatizing experience.
Not something that you know. Anybody who comes in peace with
want to subject another person or another creature even to it
says spiritual transformation, when you see these objects and
then you do the research and you see that there are so many
people who have experienced the same thing as you, you have to
say to yourself, maybe there is something to this.
He said with the number of unexplained UFO, sightings
mounting Copeland began, keeping a log, and sketching, what he
believes he witnessed during the missing time.
Episodes. I was in a room and I saw a
woman who did not have a complete human features, he
would call her from the night. He said he was abducted in 2006.
She had the typical black eyes that you hear about, she had an
elongated skull and that startled me and the next
morning. And the next memory I have the
standing on my balcony waving at this.
Look at this cylinder shaped ship.
So you have a total blackout of memory now, they got him alone
in the room with this. Woman type creature.
You have to wonder, you know what?
He was there for. Says, Copeland said that his
experience with aliens have spiritually, transformed him.
I just want to be a better person because I feel, if
someone from above took, notice of me, that I'm doing something
right? And if I'm doing something
right, maybe I can do it better. He said, that's a little
strange, you know, I don't really think it's God.
That's coming down here, abducting people Copeland's
otherworldly convictions are shared by thousands of Believers
Hunters. Flock to the National cup
conviction, the mutual UFO Network or I move on in Denver
this month to share their experience experiences with
like-minded Believers. It says Stace to sell a single
working mother and can lot of grads college graduate has been
reluctant to talk about her close encounters with
extraterrestrials. I'm not necessarily fearful, she
said, I'm a bit nervous about how people may react.
I do believe that I've experienced contact with
non-human intelligence tussle said she was tussles that As
videos and scars to prove it, I have multiple witness sightings
or experiences but also marks that would show up on my body
scars, like the one on my finger tussle said I did wake up one
time with three, red diagonal lines, I've woken up with the
handprints and fingerprints, but I couldn't have made myself and
nobody else could have made and nobody else could have made
myself. When asked, if she simply it.
When asked, if she's simply a more Vivid dream, more than
other People tussle said, I don't know if dreaming would
make a Stigmata type effect. When you're getting bodily scars
or marks tussling education consultant blogs in her, spare
time about UFOs, and crop circles, while many have proven
to be man-made, hoaxes, she believes some crop circles,
could be the result of an alien spacecraft or extra or
extraterrestrial communication. She doesn't care for the phrase,
alien abduction opting instead to call herself an experience
her. Her.
Honestly, I think I said way a lot of these people find a cope
with this really violent traumatic assault.
That's happened to them where they prefer to call themselves
and experiencers. If they were part of the
equation, maybe it's easier that way than to just feel so
helpless to have just been victimized in this way.
She says, I don't believe I was taken against my will.
She said, I believe, I believe that all my life.
I've been prepared to share information to experience
information, and to contact and contact with non-human
intelligence, Then it says, psychologists a media images may
be re-enacted dreams but she prefers to leave the details of
her experiences to the imagination.
I don't want to go into too much detail on certain kinds of
beings that I saw because the graphic nature of some of the
things that I saw and experienced, she said, you know,
I, right, I really feel like it's going on here.
Is that The abduction that she experienced was so traumatic
that she doesn't want to relive it.
And she knows maybe subconsciously at least that if
she were a set there and relate to experiences in the things
that these entities did to her that the average listener would
immediately say, hey, you've been assaulted, you've been
criminally assaulted, your only, an experiencer, in the sense
that you've experienced an assault, And this notion that
you've been prepared to communicate with these things
and that you're somehow spatial, that's only a coping mechanism
that you've developed. I think.
That's what I suspect is going on here.
She says while tussle and others are thoroughly.
Convinced psychologists say the media.
Generated images of alien, kidnappings can become easily
ingrained in our subconscious and then vividly re-enacted in
our in our dreams, what tends to be Similar is they come in the
night? They take you someplace, you're
in a spaceship, Harvard University of psychotherapy
researcher Susan, Clancy said the aliens tend to look the same
which is that sort of greenish triangular head, big eyes and
ate before medical or sexual experiments on you, the only
look the same, you know, I'm not sure I agree with this because
I've heard I've heard the descriptions everything from
these insectoid to the grey aliens to you know, different
different Surveillance to what people thought were hybrids.
Even so, you know, I'm not sure I can go along with that part of
it. It says a lot of people who had
it think, they're going crazy. Or they think that there are
aliens or they think that there are ghosts out there Clancy
said, and they're kind of freaked out.
Well, yeah. And and seriously, if a person
really was in a mental health crisis and they were having
delusions that they were being abducted by these alien
entities, would they? They would, they be cognizant
enough to realize that they were in the middle of a psychotic
episode? Or is that even possible?
It makes me think when people think that they're going crazy
because they have this experience, it almost seems more
likely to me that they that we're not dealing with the
mental health issue and that we're dealing with a person who
has a normal mental health capacity and has had some kind
of terrible experience. If a person just Automatically
didn't see anything out of the ordinary about this.
Then you might think maybe their Baseline mental health is off a
little bit, so I'm not, I'm not sure where that comes in.
At experts say sleep, paralysis the feeling of being awake, but
in able to move during sleep is quite common suffer say, they
see say they feel as if they're totally paralyzed a symptom that
parallels, what abductees like like Copeland described during
their experience with alleged And elect extraterrestrial life.
Well, of course, most of us are familiar with sleep paralysis.
When you go to sleep at night, when you go to a certain, take
your dream, your body produces a chemical that more or less
paralyzes your some, what does to keep you from sleepwalking
and thrashing about and becoming a complete danger to yourself.
So that's just a normal part of sleep with these people.
And sometimes, you know, when you wake up in the morning or
maybe you wake up in the middle of night, it takes that second
or two for that chemical state. To subside and then you're able
to move again rare. But it happens and it can be
quite terrorizing. But what these people to me are
describing is much more prolong than what you would think of, as
a kind of normal sleep, paralysis problem, it says,
Clancy, herself, suffer from sleep paralysis, and admitted
that the feeling was so powerful that for a moment.
She was also convinced that her Visions were real.
It was so powerful the time. She said, well, I'm levitating
in the air. That's what it felt like and
spitting, like a rotisserie chicken.
I had this feeling that something was present and I was
thinking, oh my gosh, it's real. But then it was over and then I
woke up. But for the majority of
Believers Clancy, said, their Visions are likely fastest of
their imaginations. The abductees are experiences,
ABC News spoke to reject any scientific explanation of
certain that their belief that they have been through is real.
Here's a question, you know, we can really short through these
counts by looking at the ones that involve Alien implants, I
mean, certainly you can say, a person's had sleep, paralysis, a
person's a vivid dreamer or whatever.
But when they're coming back with implants in their bodies, I
don't think you're going to pick that up in your sleep, on your
own and so the Articles not really delving into the second
part of what's really the big story with alien abduction.
And that big story is alien implants because it seems like a
lot of these folks have them. A lot of them have Only realize
them and then when we, we've talked about these plants
implants being taken out before about how often times they try
to the implant itself will try to squirm away from the surgeon,
how they never seem to be able to nail them down with their
made out of the few that have been run through.
Spectrometer it seems as though the material so they're made out
of sometimes our common is but sometimes it seems as though
they're extremely exotic maybe even from another galaxy,
Jacques Vallee. Has talked about this about how
some of the material he's picked up from not necessarily
implants, but from like UFO ejecta how it would cost
literally a trillion dollars or multiple train dollars to
reproduce the stuff on Earth because of how they had to
arrange it atom by atom. Same thing with these with these
implants. They're operating at that radio
wave levels that show that they're communicating.
Lots of weird stuff going on. That department.
The article finishes up it says I can I can remember vividly
where I was what I was doing and what about end that I was not
awake. I could feel I can feel I was
actually there. Yeah, well lots of people have
had these abduction stories. We've gone through several of
them on the, on the podcast. But just think this is course
from 2009. But just think about this 1500
people are 1500. People were well enough to get
in their car, on an airplane, whatever, and find their way to
this Symposium, this group Sation, whatever you want to
call it and talk about their experiences.
That's just a 50-50 nerd that made it there.
Even if you even if you would just account, you know, and
round off and say, what out of those 1500, how many how many of
these experiences could be authentic.
That's a large number is a large sample size and to think and
just to say that all those people were having sleep
paralysis, or all those people were Vivid, dreamers are all
those people had serious mental. Health issues, seems a little
bit of a stretch to me. I think, what we really need to
get to. Is this experience that these
folks are having to be taken onto these ships against your
will, and kind of not only what's happening while they're
on the ship. But what's happening afterwards?
You see this common thing. We're often I was they start
taking them when their kids are when they're young, are they
start being abducted after they've had a sighting or a
counter and then they talk about going on this ship, may be
viewing different types of aliens and having these really
traumatic experiments. Run on them, things, shoved up
their nose things, put in other body cavities just painful
procedures that they've been forced to go through where these
things just seem to treat them as if they're an object as if
they're not human. Then we have many cases where
people talk about having implants put in them, they're
painful they have pain from implants, they have pain when
try to take them out so there's a lot of pain and discomfort
associated with this abduction experience.
Even if you discount for all the ones that aren't true
abductions, you know, And the other thing is, seems strange to
me, is that amount of what would almost seem like mind control
involved? Because not only are these
people have in memory surpress tree, rest or erased but they're
having their attitude toward her captors being adjusted of
oftentimes. When they first start off being
abducted, they're traumatized by they're really resisted, right?
Don't like it. But then after a time or two of
being run through this, you know, abduction sequence, where
they have these Have these painful experiments experiments
done on them. They begin to think this is a
well I'm special. I'm the one that was chosen to
communicate with these entities it's that whether that's a
notion that's been planted there by these ETS or whether that's
just a response that they that they're doing on their own that
their own mind is coming up with to kind of reduce the effects of
the trauma. I don't know but this seemed to
be a common thing that happens. I don't see it as healthy.
I really don't like a healthy response to me would be these
people trying to find a way to stop these abductions, but it's
almost as if they're overwhelmed by them to the point where they
have to feel like there's something positive coming out of
it and really, If the experience was that positive, why would
they feel the need to travel 1,500 miles to go talk to
somebody else about it? You see it the whole abduction
phenomena that's associated with this UFO phenomena.
It has something very much in common with the UFO phenomena
self and that is deception. It's like whatever the motives
for these things are to abduct people were being kept in the
dark about The same way we're being kept in the dark.
About why are we allowed to see these things?
See the connections. Just it's just if we're being
treated like we are, like I said, Lab Rats, not worthy, of
knowing. So there's no there's no
communication going on here. Between two and entities that
notion that you've been chosen to communicate with this high
level entity. That's silliness that's not
what's happening here. They aren't communicating these
people other than to communicate fear to them.
Or other basically make threats like saying, well, don't pick up
the gun because won't do you any good anyway.
It's the only communication is happening is where the ET is
forcing compliance on the experiencer.
That's why communication is happening.
They're not being told how to find a cure to cancer.
But not being told, you know what what next week's winning
lottery numbers are going to be, they're not being told the
secrets of the universe, they're being treated.
The same way you would treat an animal that you captured or
maybe somebody who was forced into a medical experiment.
So as far as a question goes this, e.t. come in peace.
Well, as far as I can see, at least for the experiencers that
are having these abduction experiences.
No, ET does not come in peace. Until next time.
This is UFO warning over and out.