1 00:00:03,100 --> 00:00:04,400 Hello and welcome to the program. 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,000 You have a warning and this episode, we're looking at an 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,300 alien abductees support group. That's correct. 4 00:00:10,300 --> 00:00:13,200 And alien abductees support group. 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:18,000 Now, this article comes to us from back in August 14th. 2009 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,300 will set ghostwritten by Julie Chang and Jim dumb run from ABC 7 00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:25,100 News. The title, says, abducted, by 8 00:00:25,100 --> 00:00:29,000 aliens, Believers tell their story, and then below that, it 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,300 says, Jurors say extraterrestrials abducted them 10 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:36,400 and haunt their lives and that doesn't sound like a very 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,000 positive experience to me. You know, seems like a lot of 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,300 times when I look at the darker side of the UFO phenomenon, I 13 00:00:44,300 --> 00:00:48,000 get some negative comments that people leave thinking that, you 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,600 know, it's, it's too critical or too conservative or this or 15 00:00:52,608 --> 00:00:54,700 that. But if we're looking at this 16 00:00:54,700 --> 00:00:56,900 phenomenon, that when you look at the whole range of 17 00:00:56,900 --> 00:00:59,300 experiences, and people can say, well they've had great 18 00:00:59,300 --> 00:01:01,900 experiences. They enjoy watching these things 19 00:01:01,900 --> 00:01:05,200 or whatever. But we also need to take a look 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,400 at what these folks are saying who have been abducted by these 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,300 things and have had some really bad things happen to him. 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,900 Otherwise how do we ever really get our mind around? 23 00:01:13,900 --> 00:01:17,900 What's going on here? It says August 17 2009. 24 00:01:17,900 --> 00:01:22,300 In a small New England Town member members of a support 25 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:26,900 group which boasts a growing membership of 1500 gather for a 26 00:01:26,900 --> 00:01:29,200 secret meeting. That's an awful lot of people 27 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,700 who have been through this. The same thing. 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,800 It says, I won't let you know that you're not alone. 29 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,200 The group leader began a twin sisters, Audrey and Debbie who 30 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,400 have asked that their last name and Hometown be withheld. 31 00:01:41,700 --> 00:01:45,400 Have also come a long way to share their experiences quote. 32 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,000 It was a long tiresome battle. Audrey said that's impacted me 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,400 and my life tremendously tremendously. 34 00:01:52,900 --> 00:01:56,400 I'm still in therapy the group that's assembled for this 35 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,600 meeting is not struggling with alcohol drugs. 36 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:05,100 Sex addiction or gambling. The part of a star part of a 37 00:02:05,100 --> 00:02:09,900 star born and alien experience, and awesomeness support group. 38 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,100 Catering to those who say they've been abducted by aliens. 39 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,200 Many people have wondered are earthlings living on a speck of 40 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,200 dust alone in every universe or are there other intelligent life 41 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,700 forms out there in the cosmos? Nearly half of all Americans, 42 00:02:28,700 --> 00:02:31,700 and millions more globally. Believe we're not alone 43 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:36,200 according to a 2008 ABC poll while 40 million Americans say, 44 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,500 they're say they have seen or know someone who has seen and 45 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,500 unidentified flying object a growing number believe. 46 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:47,900 They've actually met aliens, I think about that. 40 million 47 00:02:47,900 --> 00:02:51,400 people say that they've either seen a UFO or know somebody that 48 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,000 has seen a UFO and this is from 14 years ago. 49 00:02:55,700 --> 00:02:58,000 So, when they tell you that, these things are nothing more 50 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,600 than balloons or drones or blowing crashing, the wind and 51 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,400 the anybody who report seeing one is a brick short of a load. 52 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,700 Just remember, 40 million people, Audrey and Debbie. 53 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:12,200 Not only said that when a said that aliens exist but that 54 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,900 they've made contact with them. The twin set is started, when 55 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:18,400 they were young quote, I was probably about five years old or 56 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:23,600 so and had and had a bright blue light, come into the room, and 57 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,600 the door would open. And Would be like a foggy kind 58 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,100 of misty. Blue light. 59 00:03:28,300 --> 00:03:30,000 Just shining through the whole house. 60 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,700 Idris said these two figures would come in. 61 00:03:34,100 --> 00:03:37,300 There would be a tall one. They had black eyes but they 62 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:41,800 were bold and head big eyes. You can imagine how this would 63 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,900 have terrorized a five-year-old child? 64 00:03:45,700 --> 00:03:48,700 Audrey and her sister called their visitors, the bold man, 65 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,100 but they've known, but they're better known and UFO circles as 66 00:03:52,100 --> 00:03:54,500 the grace. A race of extraterrestrials 67 00:03:54,500 --> 00:03:57,100 categorized by the grayish color of their skin. 68 00:03:57,500 --> 00:04:01,200 The twins first encountered the, the twins first encounters, the 69 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,500 aliens. They say came during childhood. 70 00:04:03,500 --> 00:04:06,800 He continued into adulthood. They also believe they have been 71 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,100 abducted together on the same spaceship, only to compare 72 00:04:10,100 --> 00:04:13,000 stories afterwards. We have been together on 73 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,500 abductions, Audrey said we He had been up and crafts and seen 74 00:04:16,500 --> 00:04:20,200 our houses from above. So we realize that we are not, 75 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:24,800 so we realized that they are not from here, they are very good at 76 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,400 mind erasing or whatever you want to call it. 77 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,700 They'll leave you with hints and pieces of things you can 78 00:04:30,700 --> 00:04:34,800 remember, but we do remember, certain things of being there 79 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,400 together that would have to be traumatizing to have had these 80 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,600 experiences and then only be able to recall bits and pieces. 81 00:04:44,100 --> 00:04:47,100 When asked why As we continue to abduct them together, the twins 82 00:04:47,100 --> 00:04:51,700 had no explanation. Well, you know, look what 83 00:04:51,700 --> 00:04:53,600 happened in World War Two with a Nazis. 84 00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:58,600 I mean, they these evil scientist love. 85 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,700 Nothing more to get a hold of twins because then they had a, 86 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:03,000 they had a bill to control group. 87 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:08,100 And so yeah, it would only be natural to want to abduct twins 88 00:05:08,300 --> 00:05:10,200 because then you could run all kinds of tests on them to see 89 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,400 how they responded. It says, that's the question. 90 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,700 I always ask myself Davis. Said, and a lot of in, a lot of 91 00:05:16,700 --> 00:05:20,500 times I'll wake up in tears saying, why me, why me, why 92 00:05:20,500 --> 00:05:22,300 can't this happen to somebody else? 93 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,900 It goes on to say extraterrestrials can embody 94 00:05:25,900 --> 00:05:27,800 people's fears and no matter what? 95 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,600 Anyone else believes people, like, Audrey and Debbie are 96 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,400 convinced that what they witnessed is real. 97 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,900 Quote, I remember one time being a spaceship and standing there 98 00:05:37,900 --> 00:05:41,900 on the spaceship and the floor and the walls disappeared and I 99 00:05:41,900 --> 00:05:44,900 was staring at the Earth. Davey said, they said they 100 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:49,200 realize their stories sound too. Fantastic and times, like the 101 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,500 stuff of sci-fi Blockbusters and science fiction. 102 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:57,700 Aliens were often Anthropomorphic and benign 103 00:05:57,700 --> 00:06:01,900 creatures, like ET, My Favorite Martian, the classic Star Trek 104 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,500 television series, or the hit movie. 105 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:05,300 Close Encounters of the Third Kind. 106 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:10,900 Well, of course, Hollywood has to present these things in a way 107 00:06:10,900 --> 00:06:13,300 that doesn't frighten people too much because the people were 108 00:06:13,300 --> 00:06:15,600 frightened too much. They wouldn't go see the movies. 109 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,200 But extraterrestrials can also embody people's fears looking 110 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,200 radically different from human life. 111 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,600 Pop culture, depictions of aliens, don't seem to be 112 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,700 showing, don't seem to be slowing down on cable. 113 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:30,700 There's the acclaimed mind series, Torchwood Children of 114 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:32,400 the Earth where the aliens sent us. 115 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,500 Her thoughts are spoken through the possess children and this 116 00:06:35,500 --> 00:06:38,600 fall ABC will add a new series to the list of those on 117 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:40,500 creatures from outer space courses. 118 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:43,700 Would have been 14 years ago, the members of starborn believe, 119 00:06:43,700 --> 00:06:46,400 however, that this is not just to step aside. 120 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:49,800 It's fiction. But fact, they said that coming 121 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,500 forward with their beliefs is challenging tyrol. 122 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:55,500 Copeland of former US Marine. Traveled the footage to attend 123 00:06:55,700 --> 00:06:58,700 the secret meeting driving 600 miles from rural Virginia, 124 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,100 Copeland's foray into the Paranormal began, two years ago 125 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:06,500 with a UFO sighting. He said he was capped said he he 126 00:07:06,500 --> 00:07:09,500 said was capturing his cell phone from his apartment in 127 00:07:09,500 --> 00:07:13,000 downtown Suffolk Virginia. It was an orb of light. 128 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,700 He said just a big ball of light. 129 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,800 It wasn't moving. One was solid white, the other 130 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,900 was directly across the street from it at 300 feet above the 131 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:24,700 ground, and it was changing colors. 132 00:07:24,700 --> 00:07:28,700 Very rapidly. This is, this is, this is not 133 00:07:28,700 --> 00:07:32,300 unusual, something's wrong here. Maybe I am in over my head. 134 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,700 I am not supposed to be looking at this tough Copeland 27 who 135 00:07:36,700 --> 00:07:39,400 drives for class at a warehouse for living recalled thanking. 136 00:07:39,700 --> 00:07:42,500 But after the video, what Copeland said he witnessed in, 137 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:46,200 the sky was posted on YouTube. You said a strange visitor came 138 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,300 to it. Front door. 139 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,700 I woke up from the nap. I woke up from the nap by the 140 00:07:50,700 --> 00:07:53,400 sound of someone trying to enter my apartment. 141 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:58,000 He said and I said, who is it? There was no answer still just, 142 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,400 you know, you can see the doorknob moving and like a 143 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,200 scratching on the door and I keep a firearm, it was on my 144 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,000 table and my thought was to get up and check. 145 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,900 I was in complete paralysis. The only thing I could move 146 00:08:11,900 --> 00:08:14,200 where my eyes and I Heard a Voice through the door. 147 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,400 Say you don't need that weapon. And we don't harm soon. 148 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,600 After Copla said, he started to experience what he calls missing 149 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,900 time during a span of two nights. 150 00:08:23,900 --> 00:08:28,700 Copeland said, he missed four hours, not as a result of sleep, 151 00:08:29,500 --> 00:08:33,600 that sounds like a pretty traumatizing experience. 152 00:08:33,700 --> 00:08:39,600 Not something that you know. Anybody who comes in peace with 153 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:45,400 want to subject another person or another creature even to it 154 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,000 says spiritual transformation, when you see these objects and 155 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,900 then you do the research and you see that there are so many 156 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:55,200 people who have experienced the same thing as you, you have to 157 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,800 say to yourself, maybe there is something to this. 158 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,200 He said with the number of unexplained UFO, sightings 159 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,600 mounting Copeland began, keeping a log, and sketching, what he 160 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,000 believes he witnessed during the missing time. 161 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,800 Episodes. I was in a room and I saw a 162 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,200 woman who did not have a complete human features, he 163 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,500 would call her from the night. He said he was abducted in 2006. 164 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:20,200 She had the typical black eyes that you hear about, she had an 165 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,500 elongated skull and that startled me and the next 166 00:09:23,500 --> 00:09:25,900 morning. And the next memory I have the 167 00:09:25,900 --> 00:09:28,200 standing on my balcony waving at this. 168 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,600 Look at this cylinder shaped ship. 169 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,300 So you have a total blackout of memory now, they got him alone 170 00:09:34,300 --> 00:09:38,300 in the room with this. Woman type creature. 171 00:09:38,700 --> 00:09:40,300 You have to wonder, you know what? 172 00:09:40,300 --> 00:09:43,900 He was there for. Says, Copeland said that his 173 00:09:43,900 --> 00:09:47,600 experience with aliens have spiritually, transformed him. 174 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,900 I just want to be a better person because I feel, if 175 00:09:50,900 --> 00:09:54,800 someone from above took, notice of me, that I'm doing something 176 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,200 right? And if I'm doing something 177 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,100 right, maybe I can do it better. He said, that's a little 178 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:02,400 strange, you know, I don't really think it's God. 179 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,900 That's coming down here, abducting people Copeland's 180 00:10:04,900 --> 00:10:07,800 otherworldly convictions are shared by thousands of Believers 181 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:09,600 Hunters. Flock to the National cup 182 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,700 conviction, the mutual UFO Network or I move on in Denver 183 00:10:14,100 --> 00:10:17,300 this month to share their experience experiences with 184 00:10:17,300 --> 00:10:22,200 like-minded Believers. It says Stace to sell a single 185 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,100 working mother and can lot of grads college graduate has been 186 00:10:26,100 --> 00:10:28,300 reluctant to talk about her close encounters with 187 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:31,500 extraterrestrials. I'm not necessarily fearful, she 188 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:35,000 said, I'm a bit nervous about how people may react. 189 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,600 I do believe that I've experienced contact with 190 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:42,500 non-human intelligence tussle said she was tussles that As 191 00:10:42,500 --> 00:10:47,300 videos and scars to prove it, I have multiple witness sightings 192 00:10:47,500 --> 00:10:50,800 or experiences but also marks that would show up on my body 193 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:55,100 scars, like the one on my finger tussle said I did wake up one 194 00:10:55,100 --> 00:10:59,000 time with three, red diagonal lines, I've woken up with the 195 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,800 handprints and fingerprints, but I couldn't have made myself and 196 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,500 nobody else could have made and nobody else could have made 197 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:09,300 myself. When asked, if she simply it. 198 00:11:09,300 --> 00:11:11,900 When asked, if she's simply a more Vivid dream, more than 199 00:11:11,900 --> 00:11:14,700 other People tussle said, I don't know if dreaming would 200 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:19,200 make a Stigmata type effect. When you're getting bodily scars 201 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:23,600 or marks tussling education consultant blogs in her, spare 202 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,300 time about UFOs, and crop circles, while many have proven 203 00:11:27,300 --> 00:11:31,100 to be man-made, hoaxes, she believes some crop circles, 204 00:11:31,100 --> 00:11:34,500 could be the result of an alien spacecraft or extra or 205 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:38,800 extraterrestrial communication. She doesn't care for the phrase, 206 00:11:38,900 --> 00:11:42,000 alien abduction opting instead to call herself an experience 207 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:42,400 her. Her. 208 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,300 Honestly, I think I said way a lot of these people find a cope 209 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:51,200 with this really violent traumatic assault. 210 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,500 That's happened to them where they prefer to call themselves 211 00:11:55,500 --> 00:11:59,100 and experiencers. If they were part of the 212 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:04,200 equation, maybe it's easier that way than to just feel so 213 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,100 helpless to have just been victimized in this way. 214 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,800 She says, I don't believe I was taken against my will. 215 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,500 She said, I believe, I believe that all my life. 216 00:12:16,500 --> 00:12:19,900 I've been prepared to share information to experience 217 00:12:19,900 --> 00:12:23,400 information, and to contact and contact with non-human 218 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:28,800 intelligence, Then it says, psychologists a media images may 219 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,300 be re-enacted dreams but she prefers to leave the details of 220 00:12:32,300 --> 00:12:34,300 her experiences to the imagination. 221 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:37,100 I don't want to go into too much detail on certain kinds of 222 00:12:37,100 --> 00:12:40,500 beings that I saw because the graphic nature of some of the 223 00:12:40,500 --> 00:12:43,600 things that I saw and experienced, she said, you know, 224 00:12:43,700 --> 00:12:45,900 I, right, I really feel like it's going on here. 225 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:51,600 Is that The abduction that she experienced was so traumatic 226 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,400 that she doesn't want to relive it. 227 00:12:53,900 --> 00:12:56,300 And she knows maybe subconsciously at least that if 228 00:12:56,308 --> 00:12:58,900 she were a set there and relate to experiences in the things 229 00:12:58,900 --> 00:13:03,100 that these entities did to her that the average listener would 230 00:13:03,100 --> 00:13:06,700 immediately say, hey, you've been assaulted, you've been 231 00:13:06,900 --> 00:13:12,500 criminally assaulted, your only, an experiencer, in the sense 232 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:17,500 that you've experienced an assault, And this notion that 233 00:13:17,500 --> 00:13:20,100 you've been prepared to communicate with these things 234 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,500 and that you're somehow spatial, that's only a coping mechanism 235 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:26,800 that you've developed. I think. 236 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:29,500 That's what I suspect is going on here. 237 00:13:30,300 --> 00:13:33,600 She says while tussle and others are thoroughly. 238 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,000 Convinced psychologists say the media. 239 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,400 Generated images of alien, kidnappings can become easily 240 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,200 ingrained in our subconscious and then vividly re-enacted in 241 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,800 our in our dreams, what tends to be Similar is they come in the 242 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,300 night? They take you someplace, you're 243 00:13:49,300 --> 00:13:51,800 in a spaceship, Harvard University of psychotherapy 244 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,700 researcher Susan, Clancy said the aliens tend to look the same 245 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:59,700 which is that sort of greenish triangular head, big eyes and 246 00:13:59,700 --> 00:14:04,200 ate before medical or sexual experiments on you, the only 247 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,400 look the same, you know, I'm not sure I agree with this because 248 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,600 I've heard I've heard the descriptions everything from 249 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,600 these insectoid to the grey aliens to you know, different 250 00:14:14,900 --> 00:14:17,700 different Surveillance to what people thought were hybrids. 251 00:14:17,700 --> 00:14:20,400 Even so, you know, I'm not sure I can go along with that part of 252 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,100 it. It says a lot of people who had 253 00:14:23,100 --> 00:14:27,000 it think, they're going crazy. Or they think that there are 254 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,500 aliens or they think that there are ghosts out there Clancy 255 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:32,700 said, and they're kind of freaked out. 256 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,300 Well, yeah. And and seriously, if a person 257 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:39,500 really was in a mental health crisis and they were having 258 00:14:39,500 --> 00:14:43,600 delusions that they were being abducted by these alien 259 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,900 entities, would they? They would, they be cognizant 260 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:51,000 enough to realize that they were in the middle of a psychotic 261 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,400 episode? Or is that even possible? 262 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,800 It makes me think when people think that they're going crazy 263 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,600 because they have this experience, it almost seems more 264 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,600 likely to me that they that we're not dealing with the 265 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,100 mental health issue and that we're dealing with a person who 266 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:12,200 has a normal mental health capacity and has had some kind 267 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,400 of terrible experience. If a person just Automatically 268 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,200 didn't see anything out of the ordinary about this. 269 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,500 Then you might think maybe their Baseline mental health is off a 270 00:15:23,500 --> 00:15:26,600 little bit, so I'm not, I'm not sure where that comes in. 271 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:31,200 At experts say sleep, paralysis the feeling of being awake, but 272 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,800 in able to move during sleep is quite common suffer say, they 273 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:39,600 see say they feel as if they're totally paralyzed a symptom that 274 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,700 parallels, what abductees like like Copeland described during 275 00:15:43,700 --> 00:15:47,700 their experience with alleged And elect extraterrestrial life. 276 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,100 Well, of course, most of us are familiar with sleep paralysis. 277 00:15:51,100 --> 00:15:52,900 When you go to sleep at night, when you go to a certain, take 278 00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:56,600 your dream, your body produces a chemical that more or less 279 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,000 paralyzes your some, what does to keep you from sleepwalking 280 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,000 and thrashing about and becoming a complete danger to yourself. 281 00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:06,800 So that's just a normal part of sleep with these people. 282 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,300 And sometimes, you know, when you wake up in the morning or 283 00:16:09,300 --> 00:16:11,500 maybe you wake up in the middle of night, it takes that second 284 00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:17,400 or two for that chemical state. To subside and then you're able 285 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,200 to move again rare. But it happens and it can be 286 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,500 quite terrorizing. But what these people to me are 287 00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:28,100 describing is much more prolong than what you would think of, as 288 00:16:28,100 --> 00:16:32,700 a kind of normal sleep, paralysis problem, it says, 289 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,600 Clancy, herself, suffer from sleep paralysis, and admitted 290 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,900 that the feeling was so powerful that for a moment. 291 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,400 She was also convinced that her Visions were real. 292 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,100 It was so powerful the time. She said, well, I'm levitating 293 00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:47,000 in the air. That's what it felt like and 294 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,900 spitting, like a rotisserie chicken. 295 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,100 I had this feeling that something was present and I was 296 00:16:52,100 --> 00:16:56,300 thinking, oh my gosh, it's real. But then it was over and then I 297 00:16:56,300 --> 00:16:58,500 woke up. But for the majority of 298 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:01,600 Believers Clancy, said, their Visions are likely fastest of 299 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,400 their imaginations. The abductees are experiences, 300 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,000 ABC News spoke to reject any scientific explanation of 301 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,800 certain that their belief that they have been through is real. 302 00:17:12,300 --> 00:17:14,500 Here's a question, you know, we can really short through these 303 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:22,000 counts by looking at the ones that involve Alien implants, I 304 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,599 mean, certainly you can say, a person's had sleep, paralysis, a 305 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:27,700 person's a vivid dreamer or whatever. 306 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:33,000 But when they're coming back with implants in their bodies, I 307 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,000 don't think you're going to pick that up in your sleep, on your 308 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,900 own and so the Articles not really delving into the second 309 00:17:39,900 --> 00:17:43,600 part of what's really the big story with alien abduction. 310 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:48,100 And that big story is alien implants because it seems like a 311 00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:51,200 lot of these folks have them. A lot of them have Only realize 312 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,700 them and then when we, we've talked about these plants 313 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,300 implants being taken out before about how often times they try 314 00:17:58,300 --> 00:18:01,700 to the implant itself will try to squirm away from the surgeon, 315 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,600 how they never seem to be able to nail them down with their 316 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,200 made out of the few that have been run through. 317 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,700 Spectrometer it seems as though the material so they're made out 318 00:18:10,700 --> 00:18:14,400 of sometimes our common is but sometimes it seems as though 319 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,300 they're extremely exotic maybe even from another galaxy, 320 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,800 Jacques Vallee. Has talked about this about how 321 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,400 some of the material he's picked up from not necessarily 322 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,900 implants, but from like UFO ejecta how it would cost 323 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:33,400 literally a trillion dollars or multiple train dollars to 324 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:39,900 reproduce the stuff on Earth because of how they had to 325 00:18:39,900 --> 00:18:42,300 arrange it atom by atom. Same thing with these with these 326 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:46,900 implants. They're operating at that radio 327 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:50,100 wave levels that show that they're communicating. 328 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,300 Lots of weird stuff going on. That department. 329 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:56,900 The article finishes up it says I can I can remember vividly 330 00:18:56,900 --> 00:19:00,000 where I was what I was doing and what about end that I was not 331 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,600 awake. I could feel I can feel I was 332 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,200 actually there. Yeah, well lots of people have 333 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,600 had these abduction stories. We've gone through several of 334 00:19:10,608 --> 00:19:15,400 them on the, on the podcast. But just think this is course 335 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,900 from 2009. But just think about this 1500 336 00:19:18,900 --> 00:19:23,500 people are 1500. People were well enough to get 337 00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:27,100 in their car, on an airplane, whatever, and find their way to 338 00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:31,300 this Symposium, this group Sation, whatever you want to 339 00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:34,400 call it and talk about their experiences. 340 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,700 That's just a 50-50 nerd that made it there. 341 00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:41,400 Even if you even if you would just account, you know, and 342 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,900 round off and say, what out of those 1500, how many how many of 343 00:19:44,900 --> 00:19:47,400 these experiences could be authentic. 344 00:19:48,900 --> 00:19:52,200 That's a large number is a large sample size and to think and 345 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,000 just to say that all those people were having sleep 346 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,900 paralysis, or all those people were Vivid, dreamers are all 347 00:19:57,908 --> 00:20:02,900 those people had serious mental. Health issues, seems a little 348 00:20:03,700 --> 00:20:05,800 bit of a stretch to me. I think, what we really need to 349 00:20:05,808 --> 00:20:09,100 get to. Is this experience that these 350 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:11,400 folks are having to be taken onto these ships against your 351 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,600 will, and kind of not only what's happening while they're 352 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,800 on the ship. But what's happening afterwards? 353 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,700 You see this common thing. We're often I was they start 354 00:20:19,700 --> 00:20:22,000 taking them when their kids are when they're young, are they 355 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,100 start being abducted after they've had a sighting or a 356 00:20:25,100 --> 00:20:30,000 counter and then they talk about going on this ship, may be 357 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,600 viewing different types of aliens and having these really 358 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,000 traumatic experiments. Run on them, things, shoved up 359 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,900 their nose things, put in other body cavities just painful 360 00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:42,400 procedures that they've been forced to go through where these 361 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:47,100 things just seem to treat them as if they're an object as if 362 00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:49,800 they're not human. Then we have many cases where 363 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,100 people talk about having implants put in them, they're 364 00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:56,000 painful they have pain from implants, they have pain when 365 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,800 try to take them out so there's a lot of pain and discomfort 366 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,100 associated with this abduction experience. 367 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,000 Even if you discount for all the ones that aren't true 368 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:11,000 abductions, you know, And the other thing is, seems strange to 369 00:21:11,008 --> 00:21:14,300 me, is that amount of what would almost seem like mind control 370 00:21:14,300 --> 00:21:16,400 involved? Because not only are these 371 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,400 people have in memory surpress tree, rest or erased but they're 372 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:26,000 having their attitude toward her captors being adjusted of 373 00:21:26,300 --> 00:21:28,100 oftentimes. When they first start off being 374 00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:31,400 abducted, they're traumatized by they're really resisted, right? 375 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,100 Don't like it. But then after a time or two of 376 00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:38,200 being run through this, you know, abduction sequence, where 377 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,900 they have these Have these painful experiments experiments 378 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:43,200 done on them. They begin to think this is a 379 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,100 well I'm special. I'm the one that was chosen to 380 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,500 communicate with these entities it's that whether that's a 381 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,900 notion that's been planted there by these ETS or whether that's 382 00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:58,500 just a response that they that they're doing on their own that 383 00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:02,000 their own mind is coming up with to kind of reduce the effects of 384 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,100 the trauma. I don't know but this seemed to 385 00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:07,500 be a common thing that happens. I don't see it as healthy. 386 00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:11,700 I really don't like a healthy response to me would be these 387 00:22:11,700 --> 00:22:16,700 people trying to find a way to stop these abductions, but it's 388 00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:19,700 almost as if they're overwhelmed by them to the point where they 389 00:22:19,700 --> 00:22:23,900 have to feel like there's something positive coming out of 390 00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:30,200 it and really, If the experience was that positive, why would 391 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,000 they feel the need to travel 1,500 miles to go talk to 392 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:39,800 somebody else about it? You see it the whole abduction 393 00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:44,700 phenomena that's associated with this UFO phenomena. 394 00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:48,200 It has something very much in common with the UFO phenomena 395 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,900 self and that is deception. It's like whatever the motives 396 00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:56,100 for these things are to abduct people were being kept in the 397 00:22:56,100 --> 00:22:58,700 dark about The same way we're being kept in the dark. 398 00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:01,400 About why are we allowed to see these things? 399 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:04,500 See the connections. Just it's just if we're being 400 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:09,200 treated like we are, like I said, Lab Rats, not worthy, of 401 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,900 knowing. So there's no there's no 402 00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:14,900 communication going on here. Between two and entities that 403 00:23:14,900 --> 00:23:18,200 notion that you've been chosen to communicate with this high 404 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,400 level entity. That's silliness that's not 405 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,200 what's happening here. They aren't communicating these 406 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,300 people other than to communicate fear to them. 407 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:30,700 Or other basically make threats like saying, well, don't pick up 408 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:32,600 the gun because won't do you any good anyway. 409 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,400 It's the only communication is happening is where the ET is 410 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,000 forcing compliance on the experiencer. 411 00:23:42,700 --> 00:23:44,300 That's why communication is happening. 412 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,200 They're not being told how to find a cure to cancer. 413 00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:50,900 But not being told, you know what what next week's winning 414 00:23:50,900 --> 00:23:53,400 lottery numbers are going to be, they're not being told the 415 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,300 secrets of the universe, they're being treated. 416 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,900 The same way you would treat an animal that you captured or 417 00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:04,900 maybe somebody who was forced into a medical experiment. 418 00:24:06,100 --> 00:24:09,500 So as far as a question goes this, e.t. come in peace. 419 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:12,900 Well, as far as I can see, at least for the experiencers that 420 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:14,600 are having these abduction experiences. 421 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,100 No, ET does not come in peace. Until next time. 422 00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:20,000 This is UFO warning over and out.