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Hello and welcome to the program
at UFO morning. 

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Today's topic, a Uso sighting 
off of the USS. 

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Nimitz back in 1991. 
That's correct. 

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The siding goes clear back to 
1991 and it was reportedly cited

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from the deck of the USS Nimitz.
Now, of course, we know the 

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Nimitz is quite famous, for this
Tic Tac videos that came out 

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from. 
Sightings in 2004, we all know 

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the story about How they were 
clandestinely released to the 

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New York Times, then to Tom 
DeLonge scroop to the academy of

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stars. 
And then finally, in 2019, now 

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the Department of Defense owned 
up to the videos. 

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So the Nimitz seems to have 
quite a long history of 

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sightings with UFOs and u.s. 
owes. 

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Now, this particular siding, I 
found interesting because we 

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have two different interview 
accounts and then we have a 

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third Analysis of the witness 
and the witness is veracity. 

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And I think it's very important 
to see how three different 

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people, three, different media 
really look at this thing and 

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what happened the first account 
comes from a YouTube channel, 

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Called Quest TV. 
I'm not sure who their own by 

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need to look that up but it's, 
you know, it's a very 

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professionally done. 
Very slick, done thing. 

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Much along the lines of a lot of
the stuff that Louis elizondo's 

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doing. 
You have the investigators go 

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around and it's It's an old 
idea. 

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I think it was much better done 
back in the day when the History

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Channel had the UFO Hunters out 
there. 

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I think they did. 
I think they did it, they did it

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that way better than anybody but
I flip on YouTube. 

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I'm looking through some stuff 
online and I've come across this

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old probably about a seven or 
eight minute documentary. 

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Now just to kind of bring you up
to date The Source I set of 

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courses from the YouTube 
channel, Quest the sighting 

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dates One, the eyewitness is 
listed as a man named Kevin 

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Thomas, he was a Navy person on 
board that ship. 

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He says, the object was a Uso 
that it was a huge black 

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triangle shape, that it was 
hovering above the water that it

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was larger than the Nimitz and 
the limits of being about. 

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I think they said 1000 or 1100 
feet long and he described the 

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sayings being like the size of 
three football fields. 

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And he's looking at one edge of 
the triangle which is 30 40, 50 

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foot tall, as it hovers above 
the water and he says that it's 

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really not disturbing the water 
at all below it. 

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And then he decides he just he 
discusses, how he set there on 

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the deck of the Nimitz at night 
and watch testing hovering there

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but a half-hour at at which 
point it just accelerated at 15 

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to 20 ma He estimates and just 
darted up into the sky much like

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the Tic Tacs moved that's that's
the basics of it. 

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Now at the beginning of this 
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video we're talking about. 
This is a recent video that came

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out on YouTube Quest TV. 
It's this very slick style that 

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you see. 
So often today, when we get into

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what's what passes for 
investigative work, you know, 

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we're at least when you watched 
the fellows on History Channel. 

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It seemed like you had people 
that really went out into the 

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field interviewed people in 
depth and spent several days, 

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you know, going over a specific 
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This thing here, it's fun to 
watch for seven minutes but what

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do you get out of it? 
I notice and I want to point out

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at the beginning of the video, 
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first, half of the video just 
involves these two investigators

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so-called running around. 
Out aimlessly trying to find his

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witness and you have the shaky 
camera angles, you know, the 

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zoom ins. 
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There are two people that are 
the star of the show this and I 

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can't even remember the names 
but the first, the lady, 

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introduces herself. 
The camera is an astrophysicist,

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she's probably in her mid 30s, 
early 40s and I have to tell 

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you, she single-handedly has the
tightest pair of pants. 

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I've ever seen on an 
astrophysicist. 

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You just wonder what's Going on 
here, man. 

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That's an aside. 
The gentleman is a younger guy 

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who describes himself as a 
former Marine so you can kind of

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see right up front. 
They are presenting these to 

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authority figures. 
You have the one person the 

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woman that woman she is put into
the storyline as this super 

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intelligent person. 
I mean, if she's an 

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astrophysicist certainly she 
knows everything there is to 

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know about UFOs and then you 
have the you have the physically

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fit. 
Young guy who's probably late 

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20s or early 30s maybe who is a 
former Marine? 

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So you have you have super smart
lady and hero status for the 

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dude. 
They're when they're when the 

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video starts. 
You see these two people driving

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around this town of Texas 
knocking on doors and they 

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explained that they're looking 
for their your UFO witness. 

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Well, I'm thinking, why are you 
driving around the last known 

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address to this guy knocking on 
doors? 

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I mean if you found his last 
known address, wouldn't it be 

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likely that you could find his 
current address? 

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I mean, this is a pretty this is
a pretty upscale production as a

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lot of Any behind us behind this
little set minute documentary, 

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no doubt about it. 
You would have thought that they

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could have hired somebody to do.
I don't know what 10-minute 

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online search. 
So they kind of start off in my 

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mind with with what is a false 
premise and that is that the you

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that the Uso eyewitness that the
eyewitness. 

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If for some reason is afraid to 
come forward. 

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So they're creating that 
dramatic tension. 

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This is kind of the exact 
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looking for. 
I think when we're trying to 

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investigate a UFO case, I mean 
do we really need to spend half 

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of a seven minute video watching
people drive around, Knock You 

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frantically on doors to find the
witness. 

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Finally, they get a house. 
They find that they find the 

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place that this witness. 
Kevin Thomas had lived in, they 

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talked to the former owner, he 
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He sends them somewhere else or 
whatever. 

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However, happens. 
If they finally find a young guy

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who says, oh yeah, I think he's 
living I believe it some boneham

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Texas. 
So then we see the obligatory 

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drone shot at him. 
Driving, along the highway in 

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the pickup truck together, they 
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Now, you know, this is not Frank
and Mike on American Pickers 

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where at least they get a call 
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Telling them that, hey, we're 
going to have Frank and Mike 

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there with a camera crew to look
at your junk, they want to buy. 

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This is just two people 
supposedly cold, calling this 

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guy and you know, he looks a 
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Wonder It is it even feasible 
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his door? 
I mean, wouldn't your first 

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question be? 
Hey, what's the camera for? 

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But nonetheless, I show up this 
guy's house, by the way. 

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Very nice house and the first 
thing out of the astrophysicists

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mouth, it's almost laughable. 
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Kevin says, how did you find me 
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You know more dramatic effect 
and she says well, we're 

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investigators and we're really 
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You're trying to find somebody 
in your way to find them is to 

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drive around the last town that 
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knock on random doors. 
I mean, most people today have a

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SmartPhone. 
I think I would have just picked

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up a smartphone and started 
typing in. 

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The guy's name, you could have 
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Well, there's a little back and 
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investigative Marine. 
He lets he lets this rattled 

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eyewitness know that he was a 
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Well, that's the bonding point. 
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And mr. 
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two-minute rundown of what he 
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He explains that he tells them 
that he was in charge of the 

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photo lab for the enlisted, 
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And he doesn't really get too 
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than to say that he liked to go 
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carrier. 
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explains that apparently there 
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night but it was pretty dark and
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watch the Dolphins and whatnot. 
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that while he was on Deck by 
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here on the aircraft carrier 
that the ship went into what 

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they call a Penis exercise or 
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And I guess that's they call it 
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I guess is the actual term for 
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all the lights go out in the 
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the enemy when he finds out 
these stuck out in the deck, 

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he's out there by himself and 
the dark and that's when he 

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happens to see this. 
Giant triangle shaped UFO, the 

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size of three football fields. 
It's hovering, there are about 

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30 foot off the water. 
I think you said, and the UFO 

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itself has a height of 30, 40, 
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range. 
Thanks. 

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It's a couple hundred yards away
from where he's at so that's you

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know it's a pretty good distance
and he just describes how it 

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just hovers there for about a 
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deck and then just before the 
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This thing just zooms off into 
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Basically pretty fascinating 
description. 

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He didn't have. 
He said he didn't see any lights

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on the ship, he didn't see any 
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He seems pretty. 
Pretty sincere. 

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When you watch the video and 
like I said, you could link. 

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I have links to the video posted
at UFO. 

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Warning.com you can go there and
Link directly to both these 

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interviews that were talking 
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So the eyewitness up the 
eyewitness account did seem 

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plausible. 
I mean, he seemed like a real 

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person, he didn't seem, you 
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trying to make something up. 
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So I was a little bit if I was a
little bit, Annoyed that half of

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the seven-minute video focused 
on these two investigators, 

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quote-unquote, driving around a 
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Looking for this guy when they 
could have spent, the whole 

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seven minutes talking to the 
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And that's a problem that I had 
with most of these short little 

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documentaries that we find on 
YouTube or even on like, you 

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know, Discovery Channel History 
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Now they leave out a lot of 
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A lot of it is just Focused on 
camera work on building drama. 

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It's all an emotional thing and 
we're not really getting getting

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to the facts most of the time. 
Entertaining. 

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Yes. 
And formative know, maybe not so

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much. 
Well in the interview mr. 

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Thomas says that he never really
came forward until the Tic Tac 

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videos came out now. 
He didn't say aye. 

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Never talked about this, I've 
never mentioned that. 

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He just said, I never really 
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qualifies his response. 
So he you, what the feeling that

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you get from the whole little 
seven minute documentary, is 

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that we have a witness that saw 
a extremely enormous UFO. 

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He was very shaken by it and he 
never never wanted to talk about

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it, important to point out here 
that after the video. 

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After the The ship went from 
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The door that he needed to get 
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into the ship open. 
He was questioned about what he 

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was doing on Deck. 
The next day, a couple of 

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private, a couple of onion 
reformed investigator showed up 

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had a relatively long 
interrogation with him and 

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during that time he declined to 
reveal what he'd seen a UFO 

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because he felt like maybe he 
wasn't supposed to See, it seems

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like, he felt threatened, 
whatever. 

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I can understand all that. 
So after all this happens back 

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in 1991. 
So what we are presented with is

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a eyewitness, a military 
eyewitness of a UFO who feels 

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like he saw something he 
shouldn't have seen and as a 

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result has decided not to talk 
about it. 

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He says, I never really talked 
about it after that, but now all

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of a sudden, the Tic Tac UFO 
comes out and 2017 and then It 

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is basically owned up to by the 
dod in 2019 and now all of a 

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sudden he feels relieved enough 
and safe enough where he can't 

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talk about it a little bit, but 
he still presented in somebody 

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who is basically trying to do 
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Okay, that's the bio of this guy
but there's a couple problems 

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with it. 
First off, he did talk about it,

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he talked about it at a UFO 
conference back at 2015, and I 

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found that video with the 
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trouble finding it because in 
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it's the same guy. 
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Thomas via So for some reason, 
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or interviewer I guess you would
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very good, very supportive 
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minutes, I repeat, this is in 
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really talked about it. 
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I don't know if you would call 
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but he explains in this mufon 
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much more thorough and in my 
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than what we get. 
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on the Quest video, he explains 
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UFO, he gets just a tad, bit 
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really want lights on it. 
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observing the UFO, it appeared 
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of he saw there, seems like 
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color of it, maybe there were 
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light so much, but he's still 
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description of this giant 
triangle and you can go to UFO, 

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warning.com and you can watch 
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Fun video from the link right 
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It's about 20 minutes. 
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though on how he was. 
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shared this experience with 
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to people his church about it 
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detail about how he felt like 
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about it. 
How people treated with he 

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treated him differently and he 
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Whole description of how he felt
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around it and you can watch the 
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how he describes that. 
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much described as a crisis of 
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Sometimes people do have this 
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comprehend how the phenomena of 
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of like they have a hard time. 
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with these two things that seem 
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Some people have a lot more of a
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people. 
Some of us just happen to see 

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one of these things and we're 
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interesting. 
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then maybe we go out on our own 
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are just to speculate other 
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of cognitive dissonance over it.
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own mind in a place that they 
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know, it from their religious 
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God, or whatever. 
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whatever reason. 
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very strict view of the world, 
every uncompromising view of the

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world. 
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everything and sometimes that 
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there's a lot of things that we 
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And if we set there, and we try 
to explain everything that pops 

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up in our Paradigm, with the 
tools that we have available to 

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us, things can get pretty, 
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other hand, if we just go 
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there are certain things that we
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have to be able to 
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Times and not get too 
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this thing. 
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suggestion. 
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or UFO sighting, it's kind of 
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Don't let the sound of your own 
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I mean, sometimes we just have 
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Things happen in life that we 
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And there's no reason to lose 
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There's no reason to lose your 
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I mean, it's okay to be 
comfortable with things that we 

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can't explain it. 
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really uncomfortable with 
something that he's seen that he

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couldn't explain. 
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like his account was genuine, 
even though there were some 

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things that he said that we're, 
I had questions like the whole 

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point about him saying that he 
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editing and that brings up. 
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about before, ever since these 
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seems like they've had such an 
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T', you know, on the Zeitgeist 
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every slickly done broadcast 
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Every every article that's 
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writers who no doubt is, you 
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producing as many words, as they
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I'm basically, they're just 
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They Don't Really Care how good 
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Well, the easiest thing in the 
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the Tic Tac story and quite 
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tiresome to see the stuff come 
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article or documentary that 
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I'm sure you've noticed this you
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click onto a UFO article anymore
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without seeing the video seal 
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having that same, you know, 
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in there, they use it as Filler 
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a 40 or to make a connection 
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And this is what quest is done 
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They've taken this sighting that
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even though it was over. 
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of the Philippines and north of 
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way. 
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They were on their way back from
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theater. 
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before the second sighting, but 
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across the world, they still 
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that that account of those 
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validated. 
See, here you go there at this 

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appeal to Authority, it's been 
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Defense that must be true. 
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and over again, no matter how 
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bring up that 2004. 
And tie that into whatever 

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they're talking about and this 
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because it really sometimes can 
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make it a little bit less. 
Clear what we're talking about. 

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So that's just kind of the 
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the two interviews. 
The first interview, what's your

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typical slick production stuff? 
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Actually people going around 
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somebody and Then introducing 
themselves as investigators who 

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are quote really good at their 
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Well if you are really good at 
your job, you wouldn't have to 

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get in your car and drive 
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Looking for somebody you would 
probably find everything you 

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need to know online and whatever
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that part was silliness. 
And then you find this guy who 

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is supposedly, you know, trying 
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he's worried about coming 
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Well, if he was that worried, 
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interview and an appearance at a
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Those are some questions that 
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As I said, the mufon interview I
thought was actually a far 

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better interview just done by 
this, gal from move on. 

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You know, in front of a camera, 
the microphone compared to what 

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we're given. 
Request as typical online 

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documentary today which is a 
slickly produced little 

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seven-minute video straight out 
of Hollywood. 

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Now the third perspective, I 
don't want to look at this very 

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quickly and I won't go into it. 
Too far because it is a very 

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detailed argue. 
A very detailed argument, a very

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detailed article and the article
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the website is UFO, Joe dotnet. 
And I also have a link there at 

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the website UFO wearing.com. 
Now, of course, this article 

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came out before the recent Quest
documentary, but about three 

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years after the mufon interview,
then it says Military 

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photographer, Kevin via. 
So here we have the third name 

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used by three different names 
being used, Kevin Thomas, Kevin 

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Thomas fiea, and Kevin via it 
says military photographer. 

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Kevin via allegedly saw an 
unidentified submersible object 

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Uso. 
What he was aboard. 

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The USS Nimitz, I just want to 
point out that in the quest 

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documentary, they presented him 
as somebody who simply ran the 

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photo lab for the enlisted. 
People aboard the Nimitz During 

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the mufon interview you find out
that he had like 18 

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accommodations from different 
Admirals and that he had had of 

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course exemplary reviews until 
until the UFO sighting at which 

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point his reviews went downhill.
He was eventually discharged. 

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I think he said with a 
disability from the Navy so he 

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also goes into great detail 
about his, the times that he 

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that he was a As a combat 
photographer that he had been on

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the scene. 
When George Bush, had his 

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Infamous food poisoning incident
and Japan and he talks a lot 

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more about what he did and it 
seemed like he was doing a lot 

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more than simply running the 
photo lab for the enlisted 

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folks. 
Now it goes on here. 

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It says, okay, military 
photographer. 

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Kevin via allegedly saw a 
unidentified submerged object 

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while he was aboard, the USS 
Nimitz. 

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He was About it at the mufon 
Symposium back in 2015 by Erica 

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Lux and recent. 
And recently video of that 

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interview surfaced again on face
on the Facebook group, I 

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belonged here. 
Now that's the video that I was 

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talking about that. 
I have a link posted to at the 

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UFO warning.com site. 
It says, on first listing, at 

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one first lesson, he sounded 
credible to me, but then I check

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back with the group and saw a 
few post from researcher 

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Kristoff spits. 
Spitzer. 

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Now, I'm not so sure in a 
perfect world. 

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Kevin would clarify some of the 
issues that Christopher brought 

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up. 
The main reason. 

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I wanted to post this was to 
show people the level of detail,

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some researchers get into when 
trying to have a case, Kristoff 

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is one of the best and below are
his Facebook, post, edited very 

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lightly for me, for clarity. 
Thanks for him, allowing me to 

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post his comments here. 
Now, I'm not going to get into 

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all these comments. 
You can go on. 

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You can go online and you can 
Link to this article but but 

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basically what happened was in 
2015 Kevin Thomas via came out 

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with mufon and you gave us 
extensive interview and 

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described the sighting in 
detail. 

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So what happened was people 
begin to listen to this and just

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members of the community. 
In particular, this Christoph 

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Spitzer started to try to 
reconstruct the sighting. 

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They actually got pictures of 
the USS. 

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Nimitz people that have been in 
the Navy. 

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People had been on board that 
ship. 

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Whip and they tried to more or 
less, do a 3D simulation of what

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happened and they get into a lot
of detail about whether or not 

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it would have even been possible
to see the UFO from his vantage 

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point. 
They get into questions about 

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whether or not it would have 
been possible for somebody to 

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have been locked outside on deck
of the ship. 

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During one of these darkened, a 
dark and ship exercises, they 

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get into whether or not the 
Gangplank that he referred to 

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would have been where he said it
was. 

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So this article goes on for 
quite quite a bit in depth and 

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really allows you to look at the
sighting. 

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Imagine what it would have been 
like on the deck of that shit 

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back in 1991 out in the middle 
of the Pacific. 

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And whether or not Kevin or 
anybody else could have been in 

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the place. 
He said he was and actually seen

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anything let alone a Uso and 
they don't really come to any 

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hard fast conclusions. 
They seems to me that this 

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article kind of Errors a little 
bit on the side of caution, it 

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calls into question. 
Some things and says basically 

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that there's some questions that
need to be answered by Kevin in 

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order for people to understand 
whether or not, it would have 

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been possible for him to find 
himself in that situation to 

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begin with. 
With you know, what are the 

452
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chances that you could have even
seen Dolphins off that deck at 

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night? 
What was the weather? 

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Like, you know, was what was the
phase of the moon? 

455
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Like do we have an exact date of
when this happened? 

456
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So they takes a much more 
scientific clinical approach. 

457
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To the eyewitness account and 
that's what has to be done. 

458
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If we are ever going to take the
UFO phenomena investigation to 

459
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the next level. 
What I see, personally, what I 

460
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what I find happening so much 
today and I think a lot of this 

461
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goes back to the whole situation
with the long and the to the 

462
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Stars Academy were. 
The whole thing is, there's so 

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much of so much focus on media 
and controlling the narrative 

464
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when you have a. 
So Called experts in the field 

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that will not be truthful with 
people about their role in the 

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release of classified material. 
Or whether or not that material 

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was classified. 
When you have, when you have 

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people in charge of these big 
UFO groups that just want to 

469
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spoon feed you what they want to
spoon feed you. 

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And and when you watch these 
very slickly produced a little 

471
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documentaries, 5 10, 20 minutes 
long on YouTube or TV or 

472
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whatever. 
They are hardly ever. 

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Did they take a very scientific 
approach to the the physical 

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events that surrounded? 
The siding, this person's here, 

475
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it could they see it from this 
Angle. 

476
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Now, that's something that the 
UFO Hunters from the History 

477
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,700
Channel used to do that. 
That series of za'atar back, I 

478
00:29:00,708 --> 00:29:03,700
don't know, maybe 10, 15 years 
ago, they would send the three 

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guys out and they would 
literally go to the UFO 

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00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,500
sighting. 
And they would they would And 

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where the witness was, they 
would measure the angles the 

482
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distance, and they would try to 
recreate the actual sighting 

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circumstances to determine 
whether or not a sighting would 

484
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:24,400
have even been possible. 
And when, when investigators do 

485
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,100
that, kind of work just like 
this, Christmas picture is done 

486
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:31,100
when they do the kind of work 
where they recreate the place 

487
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:34,700
with a sighting happened, then 
it adds so much to it. 

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00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:38,100
Just like when I had my, my 
siding, I called mufon and the 

489
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:41,600
first thing the fellow asked me 
was How big it was and then what

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we realized was is that when I 
saw this, this thing, it must 

491
00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:49,400
have been one of these, it 
seemed like it got larger at, 

492
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,600
you know, the size that this, 
this, that as the sighting 

493
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,000
progressed over that woman over 
that half a minute. 

494
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,400
Or so, this thing was filling up
the space that it was in, this 

495
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,300
is something we see commonly in 
these things. 

496
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:04,900
Some people call them 
shapeshifters, where the UFOs 

497
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,900
that we see might seem a little,
they seem to change size, and As

498
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:14,200
a sighting progressions. 
So by just talking to the 

499
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,700
investigator and estimating, you
know what this thing look like 

500
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:22,700
like a my case, you know, I had,
I had an initial estimate of the

501
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:25,900
size of the craft. 
But then, when I explained to 

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00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:30,100
him, that, you know, how it how 
it kind of filled up the medium 

503
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:32,400
of the highway, he's like, well,
listen that's way bigger than 

504
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,700
what you're describing to me. 
And you know, by by going 

505
00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:40,900
through and actually analyzing 
what we saw just Being open and 

506
00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:44,600
honest and transparent about it.
We can begin to identify the 

507
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,800
type of craft we saw. 
Did we see a craft? 

508
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,300
Or did we see a phenomena? 
So like with this fellow here 

509
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:54,600
with mr. 
Thomas via, if we could actually

510
00:30:54,600 --> 00:31:01,600
recreate an idea of what he saw,
where he was at on that ship, 

511
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,900
and what he would have been able
to see, then we can determine 

512
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:07,500
things like, well, was this 
craft that he saw. 

513
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:11,700
Was it an actual mechanical? 
Craft or could this been one of 

514
00:31:11,708 --> 00:31:14,400
these situations where this 
thing is more or less a 

515
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,800
phenomena and the size that he 
perceives could be different 

516
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,500
from one point to the next. 
So what do we do? 

517
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And that lets us know what we're
dealing with. 

518
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:27,600
And so the problem that I had 
with both interviews actually 

519
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,600
was that, we lacked this 
clinical analysis of the 

520
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,900
sighting itself. 
And by doing that, you open 

521
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:40,100
yourself, you open yourself up 
to a lot of doubt. 

522
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,400
Ow, a lot of scrutiny and it's 
not as helpful as far as 

523
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:48,800
creating a body of knowledge 
about what these things are and 

524
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,600
how they act. 
So that was just, I thought 

525
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,800
interesting because there were 
three different perspectives. 

526
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,500
The first perspective is, just 
this very slickly produced, you 

527
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:01,300
know, for-profit little video 
that pops up on YouTube. 

528
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:03,000
It's will done a lot of good 
camera work. 

529
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,900
Probably cost a lot of money to 
make that video, but you don't 

530
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:08,100
learn much from it. 
You just you learned that you 

531
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:13,800
learn a little bit about the Not
much you hear what they say they

532
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,500
saw and that's pretty much it. 
And then the second video much 

533
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:20,500
longer video the production 
quality on it wasn't nearly as 

534
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:24,500
slick but you did seem like you 
got a lot more introspection 

535
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:28,200
into the witness. 
You got a lot into what the 

536
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,500
witness felt. 
You have a lot more emotional 

537
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:36,900
content, but we still didn't 
have really scientifically 

538
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:41,500
critical analysis of where they 
were at At on that ship when 

539
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:44,500
they saw it. 
So from the third perspective, 

540
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:47,600
this person doesn't really care 
about what the guy felt when you

541
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,200
saw it. 
He's not even looking so much at

542
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,500
the setting itself. 
He's just looking at the exact 

543
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:56,400
location of where the witness 
claims to have been on that 

544
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,600
ship. 
And then he's, he's going 

545
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,700
around, he's Gathering all of 
the knowledge. 

546
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:04,600
You can find about the ship 
basically, trying to build a 

547
00:33:04,608 --> 00:33:08,300
diagram of that ship and then 
putting that person they're in a

548
00:33:08,308 --> 00:33:11,900
3D position and then Creating 
that scene. 

549
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:14,500
It's just like just like they 
did on the old you have hunters,

550
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:20,200
UFO Hunters show back in the day
and and just and just measuring 

551
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,400
out the Angles and saying, well,
could he have seen around the 

552
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,600
aircraft carriers Island? 
They call it the command control

553
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,100
that Tower there? 
Would he have been able to see 

554
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:32,000
around that from where he was 
at? 

555
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:35,300
Would he have been able to have 
even been in the place? 

556
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:38,500
He says he was at the time he 
says you was so they're going 

557
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:42,300
through and they're recreating 
that. - eyewitness scene to 

558
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:46,100
determine if it was possible to 
see anything. 

559
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,500
And then once we determine that 
then we can begin to understand 

560
00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:54,100
what he saw. 
Three different perspectives 

561
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,800
three completely different 
results. 

562
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,100
Like I said all the links are 
there at the UFO warning.com. 

563
00:34:02,200 --> 00:33:40,400
Until next time this is UFO 
warning over and out. - 

564
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:46,100
eyewitness scene to determine if
it was possible to see anything.

565
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,500
And then once we determine that 
then we can begin to understand 

566
00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:54,100
what he saw. 
Three different perspectives 

567
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,800
three completely different 
results. 

568
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,100
Like I said all the links are 
there at the UFO warning.com. 

569
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,300
Until next time this is UFO 
warning over and out.