Hello and welcome to the program at UFO morning.
Today's topic, a Uso sighting off of the USS.
Nimitz back in 1991. That's correct.
The siding goes clear back to 1991 and it was reportedly cited
from the deck of the USS Nimitz. Now, of course, we know the
Nimitz is quite famous, for this Tic Tac videos that came out
from. Sightings in 2004, we all know
the story about How they were clandestinely released to the
New York Times, then to Tom DeLonge scroop to the academy of
stars. And then finally, in 2019, now
the Department of Defense owned up to the videos.
So the Nimitz seems to have quite a long history of
sightings with UFOs and u.s. owes.
Now, this particular siding, I found interesting because we
have two different interview accounts and then we have a
third Analysis of the witness and the witness is veracity.
And I think it's very important to see how three different
people, three, different media really look at this thing and
what happened the first account comes from a YouTube channel,
Called Quest TV. I'm not sure who their own by
need to look that up but it's, you know, it's a very
professionally done. Very slick, done thing.
Much along the lines of a lot of the stuff that Louis elizondo's
doing. You have the investigators go
around and it's It's an old idea.
I think it was much better done back in the day when the History
Channel had the UFO Hunters out there.
I think they did. I think they did it, they did it
that way better than anybody but I flip on YouTube.
I'm looking through some stuff online and I've come across this
old probably about a seven or eight minute documentary.
Now just to kind of bring you up to date The Source I set of
courses from the YouTube channel, Quest the sighting
dates One, the eyewitness is listed as a man named Kevin
Thomas, he was a Navy person on board that ship.
He says, the object was a Uso that it was a huge black
triangle shape, that it was hovering above the water that it
was larger than the Nimitz and the limits of being about.
I think they said 1000 or 1100 feet long and he described the
sayings being like the size of three football fields.
And he's looking at one edge of the triangle which is 30 40, 50
foot tall, as it hovers above the water and he says that it's
really not disturbing the water at all below it.
And then he decides he just he discusses, how he set there on
the deck of the Nimitz at night and watch testing hovering there
but a half-hour at at which point it just accelerated at 15
to 20 ma He estimates and just darted up into the sky much like
the Tic Tacs moved that's that's the basics of it.
Now at the beginning of this video and this is the first
video we're talking about. This is a recent video that came
out on YouTube Quest TV. It's this very slick style that
you see. So often today, when we get into
what's what passes for investigative work, you know,
we're at least when you watched the fellows on History Channel.
It seemed like you had people that really went out into the
field interviewed people in depth and spent several days,
you know, going over a specific incident.
This thing here, it's fun to watch for seven minutes but what
do you get out of it? I notice and I want to point out
at the beginning of the video, probably the first third or
first, half of the video just involves these two investigators
so-called running around. Out aimlessly trying to find his
witness and you have the shaky camera angles, you know, the
zoom ins. I have to tell you.
There are two people that are the star of the show this and I
can't even remember the names but the first, the lady,
introduces herself. The camera is an astrophysicist,
she's probably in her mid 30s, early 40s and I have to tell
you, she single-handedly has the tightest pair of pants.
I've ever seen on an astrophysicist.
You just wonder what's Going on here, man.
That's an aside. The gentleman is a younger guy
who describes himself as a former Marine so you can kind of
see right up front. They are presenting these to
authority figures. You have the one person the
woman that woman she is put into the storyline as this super
intelligent person. I mean, if she's an
astrophysicist certainly she knows everything there is to
know about UFOs and then you have the you have the physically
fit. Young guy who's probably late
20s or early 30s maybe who is a former Marine?
So you have you have super smart lady and hero status for the
dude. They're when they're when the
video starts. You see these two people driving
around this town of Texas knocking on doors and they
explained that they're looking for their your UFO witness.
Well, I'm thinking, why are you driving around the last known
address to this guy knocking on doors?
I mean if you found his last known address, wouldn't it be
likely that you could find his current address?
I mean, this is a pretty this is a pretty upscale production as a
lot of Any behind us behind this little set minute documentary,
no doubt about it. You would have thought that they
could have hired somebody to do. I don't know what 10-minute
online search. So they kind of start off in my
mind with with what is a false premise and that is that the you
that the Uso eyewitness that the eyewitness.
If for some reason is afraid to come forward.
So they're creating that dramatic tension.
This is kind of the exact opposite of what we should be
looking for. I think when we're trying to
investigate a UFO case, I mean do we really need to spend half
of a seven minute video watching people drive around, Knock You
frantically on doors to find the witness.
Finally, they get a house. They find that they find the
place that this witness. Kevin Thomas had lived in, they
talked to the former owner, he doesn't know anything.
He sends them somewhere else or whatever.
However, happens. If they finally find a young guy
who says, oh yeah, I think he's living I believe it some boneham
Texas. So then we see the obligatory
drone shot at him. Driving, along the highway in
the pickup truck together, they show up at the witnesses door.
Now, you know, this is not Frank and Mike on American Pickers
where at least they get a call from the office girl.
Telling them that, hey, we're going to have Frank and Mike
there with a camera crew to look at your junk, they want to buy.
This is just two people supposedly cold, calling this
guy and you know, he looks a little surprised, but you gotta
Wonder It is it even feasible that these people showed up at
his door? I mean, wouldn't your first
question be? Hey, what's the camera for?
But nonetheless, I show up this guy's house, by the way.
Very nice house and the first thing out of the astrophysicists
mouth, it's almost laughable. He says that the witness has
Kevin says, how did you find me here?
You know more dramatic effect and she says well, we're
investigators and we're really good at our job, I don't know.
You're trying to find somebody in your way to find them is to
drive around the last town that you thought they lived in and
knock on random doors. I mean, most people today have a
SmartPhone. I think I would have just picked
up a smartphone and started typing in.
The guy's name, you could have probably found him.
Well, there's a little back and forth and the second
investigative Marine. He lets he lets this rattled
eyewitness know that he was a marine.
Well, that's the bonding point. So they come in the door.
And mr. Thomas gives them about about a
two-minute rundown of what he saw.
He explains that he tells them that he was in charge of the
photo lab for the enlisted, people on the ship.
And he doesn't really get too much into his job detail other
than to say that he liked to go out on the deck of the aircraft
carrier. After his shift was done, he
explains that apparently there were some Moonlight at that
night but it was pretty dark and he liked to go out there and
watch the Dolphins and whatnot. Okay, whatever and then he says
that while he was on Deck by himself out, just all alone out
here on the aircraft carrier that the ship went into what
they call a Penis exercise or Darkness mode.
And I guess that's they call it darken ship.
I guess is the actual term for it and that's a situation where
all the lights go out in the ship and it's a way to hide from
the enemy when he finds out these stuck out in the deck,
he's out there by himself and the dark and that's when he
happens to see this. Giant triangle shaped UFO, the
size of three football fields. It's hovering, there are about
30 foot off the water. I think you said, and the UFO
itself has a height of 30, 40, 50 feet, something in that
range. Thanks.
It's a couple hundred yards away from where he's at so that's you
know it's a pretty good distance and he just describes how it
just hovers there for about a half hour or so what he's on the
deck and then just before the ship comes back to being lit up.
This thing just zooms off into off into the space.
Basically pretty fascinating description.
He didn't have. He said he didn't see any lights
on the ship, he didn't see any aliens.
He seems pretty. Pretty sincere.
When you watch the video and like I said, you could link.
I have links to the video posted at UFO.
Warning.com you can go there and Link directly to both these
interviews that were talking about.
So the eyewitness up the eyewitness account did seem
plausible. I mean, he seemed like a real
person, he didn't seem, you know, he didn't seem like he was
trying to make something up. His story seems sincere.
So I was a little bit if I was a little bit, Annoyed that half of
the seven-minute video focused on these two investigators,
quote-unquote, driving around a pickup truck knocking on doors.
Looking for this guy when they could have spent, the whole
seven minutes talking to the guy.
And that's a problem that I had with most of these short little
documentaries that we find on YouTube or even on like, you
know, Discovery Channel History Channel.
Now they leave out a lot of details.
A lot of it is just Focused on camera work on building drama.
It's all an emotional thing and we're not really getting getting
to the facts most of the time. Entertaining.
Yes. And formative know, maybe not so
much. Well in the interview mr.
Thomas says that he never really came forward until the Tic Tac
videos came out now. He didn't say aye.
Never talked about this, I've never mentioned that.
He just said, I never really talked about it so he kind of
qualifies his response. So he you, what the feeling that
you get from the whole little seven minute documentary, is
that we have a witness that saw a extremely enormous UFO.
He was very shaken by it and he never never wanted to talk about
it, important to point out here that after the video.
After the The ship went from dark and mode to a normal mode.
The door that he needed to get through to get back, you know,
into the ship open. He was questioned about what he
was doing on Deck. The next day, a couple of
private, a couple of onion reformed investigator showed up
had a relatively long interrogation with him and
during that time he declined to reveal what he'd seen a UFO
because he felt like maybe he wasn't supposed to See, it seems
like, he felt threatened, whatever.
I can understand all that. So after all this happens back
in 1991. So what we are presented with is
a eyewitness, a military eyewitness of a UFO who feels
like he saw something he shouldn't have seen and as a
result has decided not to talk about it.
He says, I never really talked about it after that, but now all
of a sudden, the Tic Tac UFO comes out and 2017 and then It
is basically owned up to by the dod in 2019 and now all of a
sudden he feels relieved enough and safe enough where he can't
talk about it a little bit, but he still presented in somebody
who is basically trying to do live off the grid.
Okay, that's the bio of this guy but there's a couple problems
with it. First off, he did talk about it,
he talked about it at a UFO conference back at 2015, and I
found that video with the little.
It wasn't super hard to find, but there was a little bit of
trouble finding it because in that video, you can clearly see,
it's the same guy. But he goes by the name of Kevin
Thomas via So for some reason, he's using this third name via.
Anyway it's about a 20-minute video with a mufon investigator
or interviewer I guess you would say young gal and she does a
very good, very supportive interview that lasts about 20
minutes, I repeat, this is in 2015, The Quest video just came
out, I don't know, maybe a few weeks ago, so we have a five
year period there. So he said that he quote, never
really talked about it. Well, he He did talk about it.
I don't know if you would call that really talking about it,
but he explains in this mufon interview which is actually a
much more thorough and in my opinion, a much better interview
than what we get. From this little three minutes
on the Quest video, he explains what happened, how he saw the
UFO, he gets just a tad, bit more detail about how they're
really want lights on it. But apparently, when he was
observing the UFO, it appeared that the coloration On the side
of he saw there, seems like there was some gradiation in the
color of it, maybe there were like columns to it, not really
light so much, but he's still just has the same basic
description of this giant triangle and you can go to UFO,
warning.com and you can watch that move.
Fun video from the link right there.
It's about 20 minutes. Now he goes into a lot of detail
though on how he was. Really affected by it.
He goes into basically he felt a little traumatized when he
shared this experience with people back home.
Apparently, he talked to his his mom about it.
He said he was just, he'd been raised a single kid, he talked
to people his church about it and he goes into quite a bit of
detail about how he felt like people were kind of freaked out
about it. How people treated with he
treated him differently and he goes into this hole.
Whole description of how he felt that really a lot of negativity
around it and you can watch the video and just, you know, see
how he describes that. He basically had what he pretty
much described as a crisis of Faith.
Sometimes people do have this reaction.
When they see these UFOs, they're not able to really
comprehend how the phenomena of UFOs can exist.
And the same place, where their religious Bleeps exist at kind
of like they have a hard time. They have a hard time living
with these two things that seem to be quite true to him.
Some people have a lot more of a need to explain things in other
people. Some of us just happen to see
one of these things and we're just like, wow, that was
interesting. I'm not sure what it was and
then maybe we go out on our own quest, to find out what it is,
are just to speculate other people seem to see these things.
And they get really They experience the experience a lot
of cognitive dissonance over it. Somehow they they have in their
own mind in a place that they that they see the world as, you
know, it from their religious perspective or their belief in
God, or whatever. There's no room for UFOs, for
whatever reason. And so, they have a kind of a
very strict view of the world, every uncompromising view of the
world. And they have a need to explain
everything and sometimes that can get you in trouble because
there's a lot of things that we can't understand in life.
And if we set there, and we try to explain everything that pops
up in our Paradigm, with the tools that we have available to
us, things can get pretty, pretty freaky for us, on the
other hand, if we just go through life and accept that
there are certain things that we don't understand, but we just
have to be able to compartmentalize things.
Times and not get too preoccupied with try and explain
this thing. I mean, and that's my
suggestion. If a person has a UFO encounter
or UFO sighting, it's kind of like the old Eagle song.
Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy.
I mean, sometimes we just have to see these things.
Things happen in life that we can't explain.
And there's no reason to lose your religion over.
There's no reason to lose your mind over it.
I mean, it's okay to be comfortable with things that we
can't explain it. Again, this guy seem to be
really uncomfortable with something that he's seen that he
couldn't explain. That's kind of what made me feel
like his account was genuine, even though there were some
things that he said that we're, I had questions like the whole
point about him saying that he hadn't really talked about this
before. And maybe that's part of the
editing and that brings up. Another point that I've talked
about before, ever since these Tic Tac videos came out, it
seems like they've had such an impact.
T', you know, on the Zeitgeist of the UFO phenomena that every
every slickly done broadcast that concerns UFOs.
Every every article that's pumped out by one of these
writers who no doubt is, you know, working from home
producing as many words, as they can to get paid for.
I'm basically, they're just creating content to get paid,
They Don't Really Care how good that content is.
Well, the easiest thing in the world to do is to cut and paste,
the Tic Tac story and quite frankly I guess extremely
tiresome to see the stuff come up and almost every single UFO
article or documentary that comes across the internet and
I'm sure you've noticed this you can't pick up a you you can't
click onto a UFO article anymore and Mainline news article
without seeing the video seal from the Tic Tac video and
having that same, you know, three or four paragraphs tossed
in there, they use it as Filler and they use it as a way to add
a 40 or to make a connection with the audience.
And this is what quest is done here.
They've taken this sighting that that happened aboard the Nimitz
even though it was over. I believe you said it was south
of the Philippines and north of the Carolinas or the opposite
way. But it's often the Pacific.
They were on their way back from actually the first Iraq war
theater. So this was, you know, 13 years
before the second sighting, but even though you're halfway
across the world, they still want to use that Tic Tac video
that that account of those Pilots which now has been
validated. See, here you go there at this
appeal to Authority, it's been invalidated by the Department of
Defense that must be true. So you see this happening over
and over again, no matter how remotely connected they want to
bring up that 2004. And tie that into whatever
they're talking about and this can be a little bit of a problem
because it really sometimes can stretch The Narrative out and
make it a little bit less. Clear what we're talking about.
So that's just kind of the difference that I saw between
the two interviews. The first interview, what's your
typical slick production stuff? You know, a little silly.
Actually people going around knocking on doors to find
somebody and Then introducing themselves as investigators who
are quote really good at their jobs.
Well if you are really good at your job, you wouldn't have to
get in your car and drive around.
Looking for somebody you would probably find everything you
need to know online and whatever database you needed to search,
that part was silliness. And then you find this guy who
is supposedly, you know, trying to live off the grid because
he's worried about coming forward about the sighting.
Well, if he was that worried, then why did he do a 20-minute
interview and an appearance at a mufon conference back in 2015?
Those are some questions that need to be answered.
As I said, the mufon interview I thought was actually a far
better interview just done by this, gal from move on.
You know, in front of a camera, the microphone compared to what
we're given. Request as typical online
documentary today which is a slickly produced little
seven-minute video straight out of Hollywood.
Now the third perspective, I don't want to look at this very
quickly and I won't go into it. Too far because it is a very
detailed argue. A very detailed argument, a very
detailed article and the article came out October 10th 2018 and
the website is UFO, Joe dotnet. And I also have a link there at
the website UFO wearing.com. Now, of course, this article
came out before the recent Quest documentary, but about three
years after the mufon interview, then it says Military
photographer, Kevin via. So here we have the third name
used by three different names being used, Kevin Thomas, Kevin
Thomas fiea, and Kevin via it says military photographer.
Kevin via allegedly saw an unidentified submersible object
Uso. What he was aboard.
The USS Nimitz, I just want to point out that in the quest
documentary, they presented him as somebody who simply ran the
photo lab for the enlisted. People aboard the Nimitz During
the mufon interview you find out that he had like 18
accommodations from different Admirals and that he had had of
course exemplary reviews until until the UFO sighting at which
point his reviews went downhill. He was eventually discharged.
I think he said with a disability from the Navy so he
also goes into great detail about his, the times that he
that he was a As a combat photographer that he had been on
the scene. When George Bush, had his
Infamous food poisoning incident and Japan and he talks a lot
more about what he did and it seemed like he was doing a lot
more than simply running the photo lab for the enlisted
folks. Now it goes on here.
It says, okay, military photographer.
Kevin via allegedly saw a unidentified submerged object
while he was aboard, the USS Nimitz.
He was About it at the mufon Symposium back in 2015 by Erica
Lux and recent. And recently video of that
interview surfaced again on face on the Facebook group, I
belonged here. Now that's the video that I was
talking about that. I have a link posted to at the
UFO warning.com site. It says, on first listing, at
one first lesson, he sounded credible to me, but then I check
back with the group and saw a few post from researcher
Kristoff spits. Spitzer.
Now, I'm not so sure in a perfect world.
Kevin would clarify some of the issues that Christopher brought
up. The main reason.
I wanted to post this was to show people the level of detail,
some researchers get into when trying to have a case, Kristoff
is one of the best and below are his Facebook, post, edited very
lightly for me, for clarity. Thanks for him, allowing me to
post his comments here. Now, I'm not going to get into
all these comments. You can go on.
You can go online and you can Link to this article but but
basically what happened was in 2015 Kevin Thomas via came out
with mufon and you gave us extensive interview and
described the sighting in detail.
So what happened was people begin to listen to this and just
members of the community. In particular, this Christoph
Spitzer started to try to reconstruct the sighting.
They actually got pictures of the USS.
Nimitz people that have been in the Navy.
People had been on board that ship.
Whip and they tried to more or less, do a 3D simulation of what
happened and they get into a lot of detail about whether or not
it would have even been possible to see the UFO from his vantage
point. They get into questions about
whether or not it would have been possible for somebody to
have been locked outside on deck of the ship.
During one of these darkened, a dark and ship exercises, they
get into whether or not the Gangplank that he referred to
would have been where he said it was.
So this article goes on for quite quite a bit in depth and
really allows you to look at the sighting.
Imagine what it would have been like on the deck of that shit
back in 1991 out in the middle of the Pacific.
And whether or not Kevin or anybody else could have been in
the place. He said he was and actually seen
anything let alone a Uso and they don't really come to any
hard fast conclusions. They seems to me that this
article kind of Errors a little bit on the side of caution, it
calls into question. Some things and says basically
that there's some questions that need to be answered by Kevin in
order for people to understand whether or not, it would have
been possible for him to find himself in that situation to
begin with. With you know, what are the
chances that you could have even seen Dolphins off that deck at
night? What was the weather?
Like, you know, was what was the phase of the moon?
Like do we have an exact date of when this happened?
So they takes a much more scientific clinical approach.
To the eyewitness account and that's what has to be done.
If we are ever going to take the UFO phenomena investigation to
the next level. What I see, personally, what I
what I find happening so much today and I think a lot of this
goes back to the whole situation with the long and the to the
Stars Academy were. The whole thing is, there's so
much of so much focus on media and controlling the narrative
when you have a. So Called experts in the field
that will not be truthful with people about their role in the
release of classified material. Or whether or not that material
was classified. When you have, when you have
people in charge of these big UFO groups that just want to
spoon feed you what they want to spoon feed you.
And and when you watch these very slickly produced a little
documentaries, 5 10, 20 minutes long on YouTube or TV or
whatever. They are hardly ever.
Did they take a very scientific approach to the the physical
events that surrounded? The siding, this person's here,
it could they see it from this Angle.
Now, that's something that the UFO Hunters from the History
Channel used to do that. That series of za'atar back, I
don't know, maybe 10, 15 years ago, they would send the three
guys out and they would literally go to the UFO
sighting. And they would they would And
where the witness was, they would measure the angles the
distance, and they would try to recreate the actual sighting
circumstances to determine whether or not a sighting would
have even been possible. And when, when investigators do
that, kind of work just like this, Christmas picture is done
when they do the kind of work where they recreate the place
with a sighting happened, then it adds so much to it.
Just like when I had my, my siding, I called mufon and the
first thing the fellow asked me was How big it was and then what
we realized was is that when I saw this, this thing, it must
have been one of these, it seemed like it got larger at,
you know, the size that this, this, that as the sighting
progressed over that woman over that half a minute.
Or so, this thing was filling up the space that it was in, this
is something we see commonly in these things.
Some people call them shapeshifters, where the UFOs
that we see might seem a little, they seem to change size, and As
a sighting progressions. So by just talking to the
investigator and estimating, you know what this thing look like
like a my case, you know, I had, I had an initial estimate of the
size of the craft. But then, when I explained to
him, that, you know, how it how it kind of filled up the medium
of the highway, he's like, well, listen that's way bigger than
what you're describing to me. And you know, by by going
through and actually analyzing what we saw just Being open and
honest and transparent about it. We can begin to identify the
type of craft we saw. Did we see a craft?
Or did we see a phenomena? So like with this fellow here
with mr. Thomas via, if we could actually
recreate an idea of what he saw, where he was at on that ship,
and what he would have been able to see, then we can determine
things like, well, was this craft that he saw.
Was it an actual mechanical? Craft or could this been one of
these situations where this thing is more or less a
phenomena and the size that he perceives could be different
from one point to the next. So what do we do?
And that lets us know what we're dealing with.
And so the problem that I had with both interviews actually
was that, we lacked this clinical analysis of the
sighting itself. And by doing that, you open
yourself, you open yourself up to a lot of doubt.
Ow, a lot of scrutiny and it's not as helpful as far as
creating a body of knowledge about what these things are and
how they act. So that was just, I thought
interesting because there were three different perspectives.
The first perspective is, just this very slickly produced, you
know, for-profit little video that pops up on YouTube.
It's will done a lot of good camera work.
Probably cost a lot of money to make that video, but you don't
learn much from it. You just you learned that you
learn a little bit about the Not much you hear what they say they
saw and that's pretty much it. And then the second video much
longer video the production quality on it wasn't nearly as
slick but you did seem like you got a lot more introspection
into the witness. You got a lot into what the
witness felt. You have a lot more emotional
content, but we still didn't have really scientifically
critical analysis of where they were at At on that ship when
they saw it. So from the third perspective,
this person doesn't really care about what the guy felt when you
saw it. He's not even looking so much at
the setting itself. He's just looking at the exact
location of where the witness claims to have been on that
ship. And then he's, he's going
around, he's Gathering all of the knowledge.
You can find about the ship basically, trying to build a
diagram of that ship and then putting that person they're in a
3D position and then Creating that scene.
It's just like just like they did on the old you have hunters,
UFO Hunters show back in the day and and just and just measuring
out the Angles and saying, well, could he have seen around the
aircraft carriers Island? They call it the command control
that Tower there? Would he have been able to see
around that from where he was at?
Would he have been able to have even been in the place?
He says he was at the time he says you was so they're going
through and they're recreating that. - eyewitness scene to
determine if it was possible to see anything.
And then once we determine that then we can begin to understand
what he saw. Three different perspectives
three completely different results.
Like I said all the links are there at the UFO warning.com.
Until next time this is UFO warning over and out. -
eyewitness scene to determine if it was possible to see anything.
And then once we determine that then we can begin to understand
what he saw. Three different perspectives
three completely different results.
Like I said all the links are there at the UFO warning.com.
Until next time this is UFO warning over and out.