1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,240 Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,800 In this episode, we're talking about New Mexico's unknown UFO 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,720 incidents. That's correct, New Mexico's 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,520 Unknown UFO Incidents. I found this article to be quite 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,040 informative. I found it over at krqe.com. 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,640 It's a news station down there in New Mexico. 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,960 It's written by Curtis Segarra, dated May 21st, 2024, with an 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:31,760 updated May 22nd, 2024 dateline. And this is Albuquerque, NM, and 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,400 he begins the article by saying you probably already know about 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,840 the Roswell UFO incident. But New Mexico's history of 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,920 unidentified flying objects is far richer and weirder than just 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,400 that one event. To explore that history, KRQE 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,320 News 13 spoke with David Marler, the executive of the National 14 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,400 UFO Historical Records Center. He has access to a massive 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,800 collection of UFO reports from New Mexico and around the world. 16 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,240 Here are a few incidents you might not have heard of. 1957 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,680 Albuquerque radar incident When you look at the history of UFO 18 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,200 sightings in New Mexico, admittedly we don't have a large 19 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,400 population compared to some states, but we do, but what we 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,400 do have is a wealth of military operations and scientific and 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,320 research development areas, Marler said. 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,560 The state has a rich history of UFO sightings going back to 1947 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,400 by trained and qualified observers, military, civilian 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,560 and pilots. On November 4th, 1957, military 25 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,080 radar operators tracked an unknown object straight out of a 26 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,440 science fiction magazine. Marler tells the story from the 27 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,960 original military reports from a Kirkland Air Force Base. 28 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,600 The object actually violated the base perimeter at Kirtland Air 29 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:52,160 Force Base, and two seasoned personnel were observing the 30 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,280 object from the control tower at Kirtland with binoculars, Marler 31 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,440 said. The object was described as 32 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,960 looking like a car standing vertically on end with a white 33 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,040 light at the bottom. Marler said the flight 34 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,520 characteristics were highly unusual. 35 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,480 The report said the object could hover, change direction and move 36 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,280 rapidly. And that's not the only report 37 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,160 of odd flying objects in the state. 38 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,640 So that's just that's crazy to just imagine 1957 and they see 39 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:25,920 this UFO. Now that's kind of what we heard 40 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:28,120 about the one that was shot down over at Lake Huron. 41 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,000 Looks kind of like a car or maybe an ATV and they're 42 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,360 watching this thing hover back and forth with this light coming 43 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,280 down from it. Very neat 1959 super speed 44 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,120 incident. It says this didn't involve A 45 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,760 sighting but rather a radar tracking, Mueller said. 46 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,440 We have the original unknown track report from Kirtland Air 47 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,240 Force Base from September of 1959. 48 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,120 What's unusual about this is that it wasn't just one radar or 49 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,840 two radars or three radars. It was 4 separate radar stations 50 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,720 strategically placed throughout New Mexico. 51 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,440 All four were tracking this unknown object. 52 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,280 So there you have it. Four different radar stations, 53 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,520 their print, their track stuff, and they're tracking this UFO. 54 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,800 The object came in from South of the border, then flew toward 55 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,520 Hobbs, then toward Loveland, Texas near Lubbock, and then 56 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,240 flew back toward Tucumary, New Mexico. 57 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,280 The original radar report estimated the object's speed at 58 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:31,880 2200 mph and showed the object making sharp and angular turns. 59 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,680 Now think about that 2200 mile per hour once that like Mach 3 60 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,680 1/2 or something making sharp angular turns, a human body 61 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,320 couldn't even withstand those G forces. 62 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,080 No way not making sharp angular turns. 63 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,360 And this is what 1959, let me tell you the warning drones back 64 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,920 then, OK, we didn't have aircraft that could move that 65 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,240 fast, Marler said. Now, we do have other radar 66 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,120 track reports that could be chalked up to radar 67 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,920 interference, system malfunction or atmospheric phenomena, but 68 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,960 having four separate stations detecting this, they've 69 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,240 considered this to be of a serious nature. 70 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,440 We can imagine the military took some of the UFO reports 71 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,280 seriously, not because they thought they were aliens, but 72 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,800 because they were concerned about Russia or other countries 73 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,360 during the Cold War. They were of concern that this 74 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,839 could be Soviet technology, Marla said. 75 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:24,200 Then the Air Force got involved. They weren't there to prove 76 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,880 aliens existed. They weren't thinking aliens, 77 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,280 but they were thinking Russians. Well, that's what they're 78 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:32,360 telling you. I mean, who knows what they were 79 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:33,800 thinking? I think they've been thinking 80 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:39,000 aliens for a very long time. This next one is a 1964 Hobbs 81 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,760 burn case. Another strange one. 82 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,040 It says sightings are one thing, but contact with a UFO? 83 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,840 That raises new questions, as was the case for the 1964 84 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:52,320 incident in Hobbs, NM. It reportedly happened to an 8 85 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,800 year old boy outside of a laundromat. 86 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,160 The boy's grandmother was standing just feet from him when 87 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,320 the incident occurred. What they both described was 88 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,200 seeing this black top shaped object that hovered over a 89 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,920 nearby building. And he looked up at it and he 90 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,760 stood up and he moved to the left and the object mimicked his 91 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,920 maneuver and it moved to the left and hovered, he moved to 92 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,760 the right and it replicated his maneuver, Mahler said. 93 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,440 Eventually, it made a beeline course directly toward him. 94 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,120 Now that's weird. We don't know if this thing is 95 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,320 intelligently controlled and it's trying to communicate with 96 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,640 this kid, or maybe it's some sort of AI stuff and it's just 97 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,240 reacting to him based on some algorithm. 98 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,640 It says a column of fire emitted out of the bottom of this object 99 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,560 set his hair on fire and burned his face. 100 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,120 Marler said he had burns from the jawline up. 101 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,280 Whatever happened to come in peace? 102 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,600 After being rushed to the hospital? 103 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,760 The boy was treated and made a recovery, Marler said. 104 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,760 The odd thing, however, was that the report from Hobbs matches 105 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,960 another event in Georgia. So this thing's targeting this 106 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:01,520 kid. It's like a zeroes in on him 107 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,280 based on his movements and then blasting with his flame. 108 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,360 Terrible. In Lavonia, GA, there was a 109 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,320 gentleman by the name of Beaufort Parham who was a 110 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,960 salesman coming home late one night around 1:00 AM in the 111 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,840 morning, Walter said. He was suddenly accosted by this 112 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:19,960 black top shaped object flying around his car emitting flame 113 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,720 out of the bottom. Yeah, we did a podcast on this I 114 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,240 think a few years ago for a few weeks after that, others in 115 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,680 Georgia reported similar sightings, Marla said. 116 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,160 Police, business leaders, housewives, all manner of people 117 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,000 were describing these and all the sightings, including the 118 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,520 Hobbs incident, occurred on Tuesdays Mueller ads. 119 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,920 Now that is weird. I've never heard of that where 120 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,280 they've been like specific to a certain day of the week. 121 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,120 This is his 1950 Farmington incident. 122 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,720 This incident, which was extremely dramatic in nature, 123 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,480 occurred not over 1 evening or one day. 124 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,120 It occurred over 2 1/2 days. Mars said it happened during 125 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,280 broad daylight. People in Farmington, NM began 126 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:06,080 reporting seeing a group of flying objects in the sky. 127 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,160 It was described in Farmington, but at the same time it was 128 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,640 being described on the other side of the state in Tucumary. 129 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,320 People were describing the disc shaped silver objects there as 130 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,040 well, Marla said. Some also described a larger red 131 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,280 disc shaped object that seemed to be leading the silver 132 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,440 objects. The LA Times reported 50 people 133 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,760 in Farmington, including some pilots, as seeing the objects. 134 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,480 The Farmington Daily Times read the headline Huge Saucer Armada 135 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,360 jolts Farmington. So obviously people were seeing 136 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,240 that she wouldn't put that headline in your paper and risk 137 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,400 being made a fool out of. And it goes on here, says, so 138 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,040 were the aliens or something else? 139 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,000 I employ the terminology much in the same way the military does. 140 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,240 We're not saying extraterrestrials, we're not 141 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,600 saying aliens, Marla said. What we're saying is there are 142 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,200 unidentified objects that do not conform, apparently, to 143 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,800 conventional aircraft or any type of prosaic explanation. 144 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,000 For Marla, the point is not to make people believers. 145 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,360 Rather, his goal is to help preserve the history and record. 146 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,440 I think we have to keep an open mind. 147 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,280 Extraterrestrial and aliens should be at the bottom of the 148 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,200 list if we're going to be practical and looking at the UFO 149 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,200 subject matter, said. Some of these documents weren't 150 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:23,320 declassified until 20 or 30 years after the event. 151 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,400 Why? Why would you do that? 152 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,720 I mean, just think about it, 20 or 30 years. 153 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,880 What are they covering? They're obviously they're 154 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,000 covering something up, but as we start bringing these records 155 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,559 together, we can now start painting a clearer picture of 156 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,440 what transpired. Myra continues to bring those 157 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,200 records together, curating an ever growing collection of 158 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,320 National UFO Historical Records Center. 159 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,520 You can read more about Marla in the collection at this link and 160 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,640 has a link there. Yeah, well, I would think that 161 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,880 after 20 or 30 years the trail might be just a little bit cold. 162 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,160 Now I want to go back and take just a somewhat closer look at a 163 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,000 couple of these incidents and very neat stuff here. 164 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,080 I wanted to take a closer look at a couple of these cases that 165 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,840 we just went over. We just basically touched on the 166 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,200 on the summary for these things. They're really fascinating. 167 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,600 I like the ones that hear from Kirkland and 57 and 59. 168 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,640 And I did find a report on the one from the Kirtland airfield, 169 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,640 UFO, It says 1957 written by James E McDonald. 170 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,400 I'll have the link over there at the Kofi and Locals website. 171 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,400 This is the actual report that came out, and this is from 172 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,360 princeton.edu at Princeton University, so it's a Real 173 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,880 McCoy. It says in the first part of 174 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,480 this article 21 Years of UFO Reports, which was published in 175 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,760 our January February issue for 1970. 176 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,840 Doctor JL Heinek wrote briefly about this incident here in the 177 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,720 latest of the illustrative case which Doctor McDonald prepared 178 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:53,680 to support his address to the AAA S Symposium at Boston, MA on 179 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:58,040 December 27th, 1969. A closer look is taken at an 180 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,920 incident which was unknown to the public until it was 181 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,680 presented as a case history with the Condon Report, Doctor 182 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:07,440 McDonald, Professor of Atmospheric Sciences at the 183 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,680 University of Arizona, Tucson. That's highly critical of the 184 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:13,640 Condon's Commission's handling of their investigation of this 185 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,880 case. And then it starts off, it says. 186 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:21,240 At Kirkland Air Force Base on November 4th, 1957, two CAA 187 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,080 control tower operators observed a lighted egg shaped object 188 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,400 descend to and cross obliquely the runway area. 189 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,960 The object hovered near the ground for 10s of seconds, then 190 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,640 climbed at unprecedented speed into the overcast on radar. 191 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,920 It was then followed S some miles where it orbited a number 192 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,360 of minutes before returning to the airfield to follow an Air 193 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,160 Force aircraft outbound from Kirtland, Albuquerque. 194 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:56,040 Now you know, wow, you've got this thing right there at on the 195 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,240 runway of this of this military airport. 196 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:02,160 Obviously it wants to be seen. It goes ahead and has a very 197 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,160 detailed introduction into this report. 198 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,520 This is a real lengthy report. I won't read the whole thing, 199 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,800 but it has, it has some cool parts. 200 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,360 Here it says introduction. This case, discussed in the 201 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:20,280 Condon report on page 141, is an example of a UFO report which 202 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,320 had Lane and Blue book files for years, not known to anyone 203 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,080 outside the Air Force circles. So they see it, they have these 204 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,200 spectacular reports and they just write them up and they park 205 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,200 them somewhere where you and I can never see them. 206 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:34,640 That's been going on for a while. 207 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,240 Immediately upon reading it, I became quite curious about it. 208 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,680 More candidly, I became quite suspicious about it. 209 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:44,880 And this is your author speaking for as you will know on reading 210 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,720 it for yourself, it purports to explain an incident in terms of 211 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:53,640 hypothesis with some glaringly improbable assumptions, and 212 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,200 makes a key assertion that is hard to regard as factual. 213 00:11:57,560 --> 00:11:59,960 Let me quote first from the descriptive paragraph. 214 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,680 Quote Observers in the CAA, now FAA control tower saw an 215 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:09,880 unidentified dark object with a white light underneath about the 216 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:14,040 shape of an automobile on end that crossed the field at about 217 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:19,400 1500 feet and circled as if to come in for a landing on the EW 218 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,040 runway. This unidentified object 219 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,640 appeared to reverse direction at low altitude, well out of sight 220 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,640 of the observers behind some buildings, and climbed suddenly 221 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,680 to about 200 to 300 feet, heading away from the field on a 222 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:38,000 120° course. Then it went into a steep climb 223 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,440 and disappeared into the overcast the Condon. 224 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,760 The Condon report next notes that the Air Force View is that 225 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:51,360 this UFO was a small, powerful private aircraft flying without 226 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,200 flight plan that became confused and attempted a landing at the 227 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,520 wrong airport. The pilot apparently realized 228 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,520 his error when he saw a brightly lit restricted area which is at 229 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,000 the point where the object reversed direction. 230 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,480 The report next remarks very briefly that the radar blip from 231 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,800 this object was described by the operator as a perfectly normal 232 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,040 aircraft return, that the radar track showed no characteristics 233 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,240 that would have been beyond the capabilities of the more 234 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,080 powerful private aircraft available at the time. 235 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,920 And the conclusion arrived in the CON report without further 236 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,120 discussion, is that there seems to be no reason to doubt the 237 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:37,600 accuracy of this analysis. Been lying to you for 50-60 238 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,200 seventy years, it says. It seemed to me that there were 239 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,280 several reasons to doubt the accuracy of this analysis. 240 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:47,440 First, let me point out that the first line or two of the account 241 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,880 in the condom report contains information that the incident 242 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:55,040 book took place with light rain over the airfield late in the 243 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,760 evening, which I found to be correct on checking 244 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,920 meteorological records. Thus the reader is asked to 245 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,120 accept the picture of a pilot coming into an unfamiliar 246 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:10,360 airfield at night and under rain conditions, and doing a 180° 247 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,720 turn at so low in altitude that it could subsequently climb 248 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,760 suddenly to about 200 to 300 feet. 249 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,440 And we are asked to accept the picture of this highly hazardous 250 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,880 low altitude night time turn being executed so sharply that 251 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,480 it occurred while out of sight of the observers behind some 252 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,320 buildings. Like there's no way an airplane 253 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:36,840 could could at least 1957 could accelerate to that altitude that 254 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,280 quickly, it says. Now. 255 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,200 These are not casual bystanders doing the observing, but CAA 256 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:48,640 controllers in a tower designed and located to afford full view 257 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,880 of all aircraft operations occurring in or near its 258 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,400 airfield. Hence my reaction to all of this 259 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,120 was reaction of doubt. Pilots don't live too long who 260 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,920 execute strange and dangerous maneuvers of the type implied in 261 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,880 this explanation and CAA. Towers are not located in such a 262 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,720 manner that buildings obscure so large a block of airfield 263 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,800 airspace as to prevent aircraft to do a 180° turns while hidden 264 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,000 from tower view behind them at night in a rain exclamation 265 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,200 point. Now this report goes into quite 266 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:25,800 a bit of detail about finding more witnesses and you just they 267 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,360 just disassemble the lies. Basically that we're told. 268 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:34,120 To begin with 1957, two expert eyewitnesses on the ground see a 269 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,280 UFO make a detailed report. You have time, date, place, 270 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,240 weather conditions, all this and then the government sends in 271 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,960 their investigators to debunk was clearly a UFO sighting. 272 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,680 This guy's going back. This James McDonald's going 273 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:49,600 back. You know what? 274 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:55,640 1213 years later and explaining what happened, explaining the 275 00:15:55,640 --> 00:16:01,000 cover up, showing us the real meat and bones of this UFO 276 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,400 sighting. It's just a fantastic report. 277 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,200 And when I look at something like this, I just see how 278 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:11,280 they're using the same playbook from 1957 to 2024. 279 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,520 I'm sure beyond, I mean, you attack the witnesses, any kind 280 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,400 of debunking. You can set up a false 281 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,520 narrative. Deny, deny, deny. 282 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,040 Sometimes though, the stuff gets out and maybe it's 10 or 20 or 283 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,880 40 or 50 years later, but we can actually begin to see the truth 284 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,720 is what's happening now. I don't know what's more 285 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,960 important here, that we've got this great UFO sightings or that 286 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,720 we've caught our own government red handed covering this stuff 287 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,800 up for decades. Let's take a look at another one 288 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,200 of these sightings that I've talked about and then we'll wrap 289 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,480 this up. Now I'll finish up with this 290 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,200 second case here. And this is weird because it's 291 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,320 really hard to find anything on this, although there are some 292 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,240 audios out there floating around. 293 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,640 I'll put this link that I found at abovetopsecret.com, 294 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,840 abovetopsecret.com. They do a lot of cool stuff on 295 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,320 there. They have this site, this 296 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,920 encounter rather listed. It says June 2nd, 1964, New 297 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,839 Mexico Hobbs and then their source is a Fate magazine, 298 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:15,319 October 1968 and also the National Enquirer, October 28th, 299 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,359 1970. It says Charles Davis was burned 300 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,599 by a blackish ball of fire from a strange object overhead. 301 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:28,359 His hair was singed and a sooty deposit was left, embedded in 302 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,960 the skin of his face and on his ears, neck and shirt. 303 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:37,040 His face became so swollen that his nose wasn't discernible. 304 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,080 Oh my goodness. He had no pain but was afraid he 305 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,320 was going to die. The event was witnessed by his 306 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,240 grandmother, missus Frank Smith. Now imagine that this kids face 307 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,640 has swollen up so much that his nose was not discernible that 308 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,360 this is bizarre. It says the effects were burned 309 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:59,080 hair, swollen skin, ears that look like raw meat, sooty 310 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,120 deposits and no pain. It's hard to believe you can 311 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:04,200 have those kind of injuries and not have any pain. 312 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,960 Now from we we were told this guy made a complete recovery, it 313 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,320 says years later whilst going through the archives of 314 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,280 atmospherical physicist Doctor James E McDonald have the link 315 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,160 here. Researcher David Marler. 316 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,360 This is a guy we've been talking about with UFO Repository came 317 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:23,640 across some pretty remarkable audio recordings from the folks 318 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,680 involved and actually track the witnesses down. 319 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,520 And the video below is testimony from the mother, grandmother and 320 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:35,480 a recent video interview with the main witness 56 years later 321 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,520 as well as media attention. Also discussed is the subsequent 322 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,640 police investigation and FBI involvement. 323 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,800 Samples were taken to never be heard of again. 324 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,800 Well, that's pretty much the standard for them. 325 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,040 And then they've got, they've got a video here, you can watch 326 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:54,440 it, says that guest David Marlow, with their premier 327 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,440 discussion of his most recent research of a UFO burn victim 328 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,800 case, New Mexico 1964. There are early audio excerpts 329 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,560 of an original witness and a bonus clip at the end of the 330 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,240 show of an on camera interview with the victim, Charles Davis, 331 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,840 after he was tracked down 56 years after the incident. 332 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,080 A fairly long video here. It looks like it's about close 333 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,720 to two hours, but like I said, I'll put the links to all this 334 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,400 stuff over at the Kofi and the Locals website. 335 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,320 I think what these sightings really show is that there are 336 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,320 lots of good sightings out there that are just maybe they've 337 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,640 maybe they've been declassified or released now, but they don't 338 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,600 have any traction. It almost seems as if you 339 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,040 haven't got somebody making the UFO circuit going around to 340 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,040 these, you know, conferences and meetings and stuff and and 341 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,920 standing up and telling their story repeatedly. 342 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,360 The story just kind of doesn't get it, just it just drifts into 343 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:52,640 the nether world. I just saw online yesterday 344 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:58,760 where the total number of web pages has declined like 23% in 345 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,160 the last, I don't know, 5-6 years or something. 346 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,800 What they're talking about is that the these big data centers, 347 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,480 they aren't just keeping stuff forever. 348 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,840 And they're saying, well, people you know aren't maintaining 349 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,600 their websites, blah blah blah, look, we're. 350 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,880 If you haven't noticed lately, when you do a search, you're not 351 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,720 getting back hundreds of pages of searches like you used to. 352 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,760 Google is funneling things down to maybe a couple dozen pages of 353 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,280 what they want you to know. And I think the same thing is 354 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,960 happening with these UFO cases where it's almost like you're 355 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,800 going to have to go back to the hard copies to find the records 356 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:40,240 of this stuff because they're not widely available on the 357 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,480 Internet. I mean, I just sat here and 358 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,040 searched for 20 or 30 minutes to find a couple articles about 359 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,800 this 1964 UFO case in Hobbs where this kid was burned. 360 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,560 And So what you what you see happening is, is that they're 361 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,280 shaping the narrative of the UFOs. 362 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,880 They're shaping this notion that either they're here to all have 363 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,600 a kumbaya moment with us, or there's some sort of top secret 364 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,080 Russian, Chinese military hardware. 365 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:13,280 And when you get these cases that just load us up with so 366 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,840 much evidence that it just, it just demolishes the notion that 367 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:22,560 these things are somehow, you know, advanced technology from 368 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:27,120 another country or even our own. It demolishes the notion that 369 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:29,760 these things are just here to have a kumbaya moment with us 370 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,080 when they're going around burning kids face, when they're, 371 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,160 when they're attacking children with this, you know, heat 372 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,200 weapon, whatever it is. So you have these really good 373 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,760 reports and they seem to just fall into the cracks of the 374 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,560 Internet somewhere hardly ever to be seen again. 375 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,120 And so I think it's important that we record these things, we 376 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:53,960 talk about them, and we put the references out there online so 377 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,880 that we're actually actively crowdsourcing these old cases as 378 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,520 we work our way toward disclosure of what's really 379 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,320 happening with these UFOs. Until next time, this is UFO 380 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,320 Warning Over now.