Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning.
In this episode, we're talking about New Mexico's unknown UFO
incidents. That's correct, New Mexico's
Unknown UFO Incidents. I found this article to be quite
informative. I found it over at krqe.com.
It's a news station down there in New Mexico.
It's written by Curtis Segarra, dated May 21st, 2024, with an
updated May 22nd, 2024 dateline. And this is Albuquerque, NM, and
he begins the article by saying you probably already know about
the Roswell UFO incident. But New Mexico's history of
unidentified flying objects is far richer and weirder than just
that one event. To explore that history, KRQE
News 13 spoke with David Marler, the executive of the National
UFO Historical Records Center. He has access to a massive
collection of UFO reports from New Mexico and around the world.
Here are a few incidents you might not have heard of. 1957
Albuquerque radar incident When you look at the history of UFO
sightings in New Mexico, admittedly we don't have a large
population compared to some states, but we do, but what we
do have is a wealth of military operations and scientific and
research development areas, Marler said.
The state has a rich history of UFO sightings going back to 1947
by trained and qualified observers, military, civilian
and pilots. On November 4th, 1957, military
radar operators tracked an unknown object straight out of a
science fiction magazine. Marler tells the story from the
original military reports from a Kirkland Air Force Base.
The object actually violated the base perimeter at Kirtland Air
Force Base, and two seasoned personnel were observing the
object from the control tower at Kirtland with binoculars, Marler
said. The object was described as
looking like a car standing vertically on end with a white
light at the bottom. Marler said the flight
characteristics were highly unusual.
The report said the object could hover, change direction and move
rapidly. And that's not the only report
of odd flying objects in the state.
So that's just that's crazy to just imagine 1957 and they see
this UFO. Now that's kind of what we heard
about the one that was shot down over at Lake Huron.
Looks kind of like a car or maybe an ATV and they're
watching this thing hover back and forth with this light coming
down from it. Very neat 1959 super speed
incident. It says this didn't involve A
sighting but rather a radar tracking, Mueller said.
We have the original unknown track report from Kirtland Air
Force Base from September of 1959.
What's unusual about this is that it wasn't just one radar or
two radars or three radars. It was 4 separate radar stations
strategically placed throughout New Mexico.
All four were tracking this unknown object.
So there you have it. Four different radar stations,
their print, their track stuff, and they're tracking this UFO.
The object came in from South of the border, then flew toward
Hobbs, then toward Loveland, Texas near Lubbock, and then
flew back toward Tucumary, New Mexico.
The original radar report estimated the object's speed at
2200 mph and showed the object making sharp and angular turns.
Now think about that 2200 mile per hour once that like Mach 3
1/2 or something making sharp angular turns, a human body
couldn't even withstand those G forces.
No way not making sharp angular turns.
And this is what 1959, let me tell you the warning drones back
then, OK, we didn't have aircraft that could move that
fast, Marler said. Now, we do have other radar
track reports that could be chalked up to radar
interference, system malfunction or atmospheric phenomena, but
having four separate stations detecting this, they've
considered this to be of a serious nature.
We can imagine the military took some of the UFO reports
seriously, not because they thought they were aliens, but
because they were concerned about Russia or other countries
during the Cold War. They were of concern that this
could be Soviet technology, Marla said.
Then the Air Force got involved. They weren't there to prove
aliens existed. They weren't thinking aliens,
but they were thinking Russians. Well, that's what they're
telling you. I mean, who knows what they were
thinking? I think they've been thinking
aliens for a very long time. This next one is a 1964 Hobbs
burn case. Another strange one.
It says sightings are one thing, but contact with a UFO?
That raises new questions, as was the case for the 1964
incident in Hobbs, NM. It reportedly happened to an 8
year old boy outside of a laundromat.
The boy's grandmother was standing just feet from him when
the incident occurred. What they both described was
seeing this black top shaped object that hovered over a
nearby building. And he looked up at it and he
stood up and he moved to the left and the object mimicked his
maneuver and it moved to the left and hovered, he moved to
the right and it replicated his maneuver, Mahler said.
Eventually, it made a beeline course directly toward him.
Now that's weird. We don't know if this thing is
intelligently controlled and it's trying to communicate with
this kid, or maybe it's some sort of AI stuff and it's just
reacting to him based on some algorithm.
It says a column of fire emitted out of the bottom of this object
set his hair on fire and burned his face.
Marler said he had burns from the jawline up.
Whatever happened to come in peace?
After being rushed to the hospital?
The boy was treated and made a recovery, Marler said.
The odd thing, however, was that the report from Hobbs matches
another event in Georgia. So this thing's targeting this
kid. It's like a zeroes in on him
based on his movements and then blasting with his flame.
Terrible. In Lavonia, GA, there was a
gentleman by the name of Beaufort Parham who was a
salesman coming home late one night around 1:00 AM in the
morning, Walter said. He was suddenly accosted by this
black top shaped object flying around his car emitting flame
out of the bottom. Yeah, we did a podcast on this I
think a few years ago for a few weeks after that, others in
Georgia reported similar sightings, Marla said.
Police, business leaders, housewives, all manner of people
were describing these and all the sightings, including the
Hobbs incident, occurred on Tuesdays Mueller ads.
Now that is weird. I've never heard of that where
they've been like specific to a certain day of the week.
This is his 1950 Farmington incident.
This incident, which was extremely dramatic in nature,
occurred not over 1 evening or one day.
It occurred over 2 1/2 days. Mars said it happened during
broad daylight. People in Farmington, NM began
reporting seeing a group of flying objects in the sky.
It was described in Farmington, but at the same time it was
being described on the other side of the state in Tucumary.
People were describing the disc shaped silver objects there as
well, Marla said. Some also described a larger red
disc shaped object that seemed to be leading the silver
objects. The LA Times reported 50 people
in Farmington, including some pilots, as seeing the objects.
The Farmington Daily Times read the headline Huge Saucer Armada
jolts Farmington. So obviously people were seeing
that she wouldn't put that headline in your paper and risk
being made a fool out of. And it goes on here, says, so
were the aliens or something else?
I employ the terminology much in the same way the military does.
We're not saying extraterrestrials, we're not
saying aliens, Marla said. What we're saying is there are
unidentified objects that do not conform, apparently, to
conventional aircraft or any type of prosaic explanation.
For Marla, the point is not to make people believers.
Rather, his goal is to help preserve the history and record.
I think we have to keep an open mind.
Extraterrestrial and aliens should be at the bottom of the
list if we're going to be practical and looking at the UFO
subject matter, said. Some of these documents weren't
declassified until 20 or 30 years after the event.
Why? Why would you do that?
I mean, just think about it, 20 or 30 years.
What are they covering? They're obviously they're
covering something up, but as we start bringing these records
together, we can now start painting a clearer picture of
what transpired. Myra continues to bring those
records together, curating an ever growing collection of
National UFO Historical Records Center.
You can read more about Marla in the collection at this link and
has a link there. Yeah, well, I would think that
after 20 or 30 years the trail might be just a little bit cold.
Now I want to go back and take just a somewhat closer look at a
couple of these incidents and very neat stuff here.
I wanted to take a closer look at a couple of these cases that
we just went over. We just basically touched on the
on the summary for these things. They're really fascinating.
I like the ones that hear from Kirkland and 57 and 59.
And I did find a report on the one from the Kirtland airfield,
UFO, It says 1957 written by James E McDonald.
I'll have the link over there at the Kofi and Locals website.
This is the actual report that came out, and this is from
princeton.edu at Princeton University, so it's a Real
McCoy. It says in the first part of
this article 21 Years of UFO Reports, which was published in
our January February issue for 1970.
Doctor JL Heinek wrote briefly about this incident here in the
latest of the illustrative case which Doctor McDonald prepared
to support his address to the AAA S Symposium at Boston, MA on
December 27th, 1969. A closer look is taken at an
incident which was unknown to the public until it was
presented as a case history with the Condon Report, Doctor
McDonald, Professor of Atmospheric Sciences at the
University of Arizona, Tucson. That's highly critical of the
Condon's Commission's handling of their investigation of this
case. And then it starts off, it says.
At Kirkland Air Force Base on November 4th, 1957, two CAA
control tower operators observed a lighted egg shaped object
descend to and cross obliquely the runway area.
The object hovered near the ground for 10s of seconds, then
climbed at unprecedented speed into the overcast on radar.
It was then followed S some miles where it orbited a number
of minutes before returning to the airfield to follow an Air
Force aircraft outbound from Kirtland, Albuquerque.
Now you know, wow, you've got this thing right there at on the
runway of this of this military airport.
Obviously it wants to be seen. It goes ahead and has a very
detailed introduction into this report.
This is a real lengthy report. I won't read the whole thing,
but it has, it has some cool parts.
Here it says introduction. This case, discussed in the
Condon report on page 141, is an example of a UFO report which
had Lane and Blue book files for years, not known to anyone
outside the Air Force circles. So they see it, they have these
spectacular reports and they just write them up and they park
them somewhere where you and I can never see them.
That's been going on for a while.
Immediately upon reading it, I became quite curious about it.
More candidly, I became quite suspicious about it.
And this is your author speaking for as you will know on reading
it for yourself, it purports to explain an incident in terms of
hypothesis with some glaringly improbable assumptions, and
makes a key assertion that is hard to regard as factual.
Let me quote first from the descriptive paragraph.
Quote Observers in the CAA, now FAA control tower saw an
unidentified dark object with a white light underneath about the
shape of an automobile on end that crossed the field at about
1500 feet and circled as if to come in for a landing on the EW
runway. This unidentified object
appeared to reverse direction at low altitude, well out of sight
of the observers behind some buildings, and climbed suddenly
to about 200 to 300 feet, heading away from the field on a
120° course. Then it went into a steep climb
and disappeared into the overcast the Condon.
The Condon report next notes that the Air Force View is that
this UFO was a small, powerful private aircraft flying without
flight plan that became confused and attempted a landing at the
wrong airport. The pilot apparently realized
his error when he saw a brightly lit restricted area which is at
the point where the object reversed direction.
The report next remarks very briefly that the radar blip from
this object was described by the operator as a perfectly normal
aircraft return, that the radar track showed no characteristics
that would have been beyond the capabilities of the more
powerful private aircraft available at the time.
And the conclusion arrived in the CON report without further
discussion, is that there seems to be no reason to doubt the
accuracy of this analysis. Been lying to you for 50-60
seventy years, it says. It seemed to me that there were
several reasons to doubt the accuracy of this analysis.
First, let me point out that the first line or two of the account
in the condom report contains information that the incident
book took place with light rain over the airfield late in the
evening, which I found to be correct on checking
meteorological records. Thus the reader is asked to
accept the picture of a pilot coming into an unfamiliar
airfield at night and under rain conditions, and doing a 180°
turn at so low in altitude that it could subsequently climb
suddenly to about 200 to 300 feet.
And we are asked to accept the picture of this highly hazardous
low altitude night time turn being executed so sharply that
it occurred while out of sight of the observers behind some
buildings. Like there's no way an airplane
could could at least 1957 could accelerate to that altitude that
quickly, it says. Now.
These are not casual bystanders doing the observing, but CAA
controllers in a tower designed and located to afford full view
of all aircraft operations occurring in or near its
airfield. Hence my reaction to all of this
was reaction of doubt. Pilots don't live too long who
execute strange and dangerous maneuvers of the type implied in
this explanation and CAA. Towers are not located in such a
manner that buildings obscure so large a block of airfield
airspace as to prevent aircraft to do a 180° turns while hidden
from tower view behind them at night in a rain exclamation
point. Now this report goes into quite
a bit of detail about finding more witnesses and you just they
just disassemble the lies. Basically that we're told.
To begin with 1957, two expert eyewitnesses on the ground see a
UFO make a detailed report. You have time, date, place,
weather conditions, all this and then the government sends in
their investigators to debunk was clearly a UFO sighting.
This guy's going back. This James McDonald's going
back. You know what?
1213 years later and explaining what happened, explaining the
cover up, showing us the real meat and bones of this UFO
sighting. It's just a fantastic report.
And when I look at something like this, I just see how
they're using the same playbook from 1957 to 2024.
I'm sure beyond, I mean, you attack the witnesses, any kind
of debunking. You can set up a false
narrative. Deny, deny, deny.
Sometimes though, the stuff gets out and maybe it's 10 or 20 or
40 or 50 years later, but we can actually begin to see the truth
is what's happening now. I don't know what's more
important here, that we've got this great UFO sightings or that
we've caught our own government red handed covering this stuff
up for decades. Let's take a look at another one
of these sightings that I've talked about and then we'll wrap
this up. Now I'll finish up with this
second case here. And this is weird because it's
really hard to find anything on this, although there are some
audios out there floating around.
I'll put this link that I found at abovetopsecret.com,
abovetopsecret.com. They do a lot of cool stuff on
there. They have this site, this
encounter rather listed. It says June 2nd, 1964, New
Mexico Hobbs and then their source is a Fate magazine,
October 1968 and also the National Enquirer, October 28th,
1970. It says Charles Davis was burned
by a blackish ball of fire from a strange object overhead.
His hair was singed and a sooty deposit was left, embedded in
the skin of his face and on his ears, neck and shirt.
His face became so swollen that his nose wasn't discernible.
Oh my goodness. He had no pain but was afraid he
was going to die. The event was witnessed by his
grandmother, missus Frank Smith. Now imagine that this kids face
has swollen up so much that his nose was not discernible that
this is bizarre. It says the effects were burned
hair, swollen skin, ears that look like raw meat, sooty
deposits and no pain. It's hard to believe you can
have those kind of injuries and not have any pain.
Now from we we were told this guy made a complete recovery, it
says years later whilst going through the archives of
atmospherical physicist Doctor James E McDonald have the link
here. Researcher David Marler.
This is a guy we've been talking about with UFO Repository came
across some pretty remarkable audio recordings from the folks
involved and actually track the witnesses down.
And the video below is testimony from the mother, grandmother and
a recent video interview with the main witness 56 years later
as well as media attention. Also discussed is the subsequent
police investigation and FBI involvement.
Samples were taken to never be heard of again.
Well, that's pretty much the standard for them.
And then they've got, they've got a video here, you can watch
it, says that guest David Marlow, with their premier
discussion of his most recent research of a UFO burn victim
case, New Mexico 1964. There are early audio excerpts
of an original witness and a bonus clip at the end of the
show of an on camera interview with the victim, Charles Davis,
after he was tracked down 56 years after the incident.
A fairly long video here. It looks like it's about close
to two hours, but like I said, I'll put the links to all this
stuff over at the Kofi and the Locals website.
I think what these sightings really show is that there are
lots of good sightings out there that are just maybe they've
maybe they've been declassified or released now, but they don't
have any traction. It almost seems as if you
haven't got somebody making the UFO circuit going around to
these, you know, conferences and meetings and stuff and and
standing up and telling their story repeatedly.
The story just kind of doesn't get it, just it just drifts into
the nether world. I just saw online yesterday
where the total number of web pages has declined like 23% in
the last, I don't know, 5-6 years or something.
What they're talking about is that the these big data centers,
they aren't just keeping stuff forever.
And they're saying, well, people you know aren't maintaining
their websites, blah blah blah, look, we're.
If you haven't noticed lately, when you do a search, you're not
getting back hundreds of pages of searches like you used to.
Google is funneling things down to maybe a couple dozen pages of
what they want you to know. And I think the same thing is
happening with these UFO cases where it's almost like you're
going to have to go back to the hard copies to find the records
of this stuff because they're not widely available on the
Internet. I mean, I just sat here and
searched for 20 or 30 minutes to find a couple articles about
this 1964 UFO case in Hobbs where this kid was burned.
And So what you what you see happening is, is that they're
shaping the narrative of the UFOs.
They're shaping this notion that either they're here to all have
a kumbaya moment with us, or there's some sort of top secret
Russian, Chinese military hardware.
And when you get these cases that just load us up with so
much evidence that it just, it just demolishes the notion that
these things are somehow, you know, advanced technology from
another country or even our own. It demolishes the notion that
these things are just here to have a kumbaya moment with us
when they're going around burning kids face, when they're,
when they're attacking children with this, you know, heat
weapon, whatever it is. So you have these really good
reports and they seem to just fall into the cracks of the
Internet somewhere hardly ever to be seen again.
And so I think it's important that we record these things, we
talk about them, and we put the references out there online so
that we're actually actively crowdsourcing these old cases as
we work our way toward disclosure of what's really
happening with these UFOs. Until next time, this is UFO
Warning Over now.