1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,800 Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,240 In this episode we're talking about New Mexico's unknown UFO 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,400 cases. That's correct, New Mexico's 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,400 unknown UFO cases. Now we all know about Roswell 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,520 and some of the other big cases out there in New Mexico, but 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,880 there are a few that have kind of slipped under the radar over 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,400 the years. Now if you're an avid UFO 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,320 fanatic like me or, or a lot of the listeners to this program, 9 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:25,560 you probably have heard of these. 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,480 But this article I found was interesting. 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,560 We'll take a look at these three cases they bring up and then go 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,600 into a little more detail on some of them. 13 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:41,600 The article is from krqe.com, krqe.com, Dateline, Albuquerque, 14 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:46,680 NM written by Curtis Segara, dated May 21st, 2024. 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,960 So just a couple months ago. It says New Mexico's UFO 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,880 incidents you've never heard of. You probably know about the 17 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,240 Roswell incident, but New Mexico's history of unidentified 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,560 flying objects is far richer and weirder than just that one 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,760 event. To explore that history, KRQE 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,840 News 13 spoke with David Marler, the executive director of the 21 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,000 National UFO Historical Records Center. 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,640 He has access to a massive collection of UFO reports from 23 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,480 New Mexico and around the world. Here are a few incidents you 24 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,320 might not have heard of then. It says 1957 Albuquerque radar 25 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:28,440 incident. When you look at the history of 26 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,440 UFO sight agency New Mexico, admittedly we don't have a large 27 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,440 population compared to some states, but what we do have is a 28 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,720 wealth of military operations areas and scientific and 29 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,760 research development areas. Marler said the state has a rich 30 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,680 history of UFO sightings going back to 1947 by trained and 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,440 qualified observers, military civilian and pilots. 32 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,800 On November 4th, 1957, military radar operators tracked an 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,480 unknown object straight out of a science fiction magazine. 34 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,880 Marler tells the story from the original military reports from 35 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,640 Kirkland Air Force Base. The object actually violated the 36 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,760 perimeter at Kirtland Air Base, and two seasoned personnel were 37 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:15,120 observing the object from the control tower at Kirtland with 38 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,640 binoculars, Marler said. The object was described as 39 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:24,360 looking like a car, standing vertical on end with a white 40 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,600 light at the bottom. The flight characteristics were 41 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,040 highly unusual. The report said the object could 42 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,160 hover, change direction and move rapidly. 43 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,560 And that's not the only report of odd flying objects in the 44 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,720 state. Now, before I go on here, I want 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,840 to take a look at this 1957 incident. 46 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,720 I found a little write up about it over here at 47 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,040 abovetopsecret.com. I'll put the links over at the 48 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,720 Kofi site. As always, thank you to the 49 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,440 people that support the program over there. 50 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,960 The people that support the program over at COFI really do 51 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,080 help help keep the message getting out there. 52 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:07,560 Now this title says Kirtland Air Force Base Radar Visual UFO 53 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,360 November 1957. We get into the post a little 54 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,640 bit here. It says it describes the 55 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:16,520 incident that says Area 51 and Wright Patterson Air Force Base 56 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,840 are perhaps the best known Air Force installations with 57 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,480 connections to the subject of UFOs, but they are by no means 58 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,120 the only ones. The UFO incidents that have 59 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,880 occurred at or near Kirkland Air Force Base near Albuquerque, NM, 60 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,640 seem to have been ignored by mainstream ufology. 61 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,920 And then it says this famous sighting occurred in 1957. 62 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:44,520 Witness FAA CA tower personnel RM Kaiser and EG Brink, reliable 63 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:49,400 observers with 23 years of airport tower control experience 64 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,600 between them. And then it says, weather, light 65 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,000 rain. A lighted object came down 66 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:00,440 steeply at the East End of runway 26, left the flight line, 67 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,240 crossed runways, taxiways and unpaved areas at about a 30° 68 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,520 angle, and proceeded SW toward the control tower at an altitude 69 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,320 of less than 100 feet. Observing through 7X binoculars. 70 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,600 The object appeared to be egg shaped, having no wings, tail or 71 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,000 fuselage, and was elongated vertically. 72 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,400 It appeared to be 15 to 20 feet tall, about the size of an 73 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,840 automobile standing on its nose, and had a single white light at 74 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:33,520 a space. Both Kaiser and Brink 75 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,160 emphatically stated that the object in no way resembled an 76 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,440 aircraft. Now, I think there's some 77 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,400 nonsense debunking going on out there that there was a secret 78 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,520 search for an atomic bomb in there or something. 79 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,880 I'm not even going to get into it at this at this point, but 80 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,880 there you have the description by two guys with 23 years of 81 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,200 experience. They see the UFO. 82 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,680 It's the size of a car since 1957. 83 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:03,400 Fifteen foot long object standing on its inside with a 84 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,360 bright light at the bottom. It's just zipping, descending 85 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,720 down out of the sky. No airplane, especially in 1957, 86 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,360 could have done that. No drones back then. 87 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,760 This was clearly a UFO. It says when the object was 88 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,760 about 3000 feet ENE of the tower. 89 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,920 I suppose I mean E NE. It stopped completely and 90 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,880 hovered for about a minute. Then it began moving again, 91 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,480 slowly at first, but then suddenly climbing at an 92 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,240 extremely rapid rate of speed until it disappeared into the 93 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,360 overcast sky. The object was in Clearview at 94 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,640 all times with no intervening obstructions, according to the 95 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,640 two men. At this point, Kaiser and Brink 96 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,520 phone the CAA radar approach control Rapcon. 97 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,720 You have to ask them if they could detect a fast target to 98 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,520 the West. RAPCON was using CPN Dash 18 99 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,400 surveillance radar at the time. Radar showed the target moved 100 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,280 eastward, then turned S at very high speed until it reached the 101 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:07,320 vicinity of Albuquerque Low Frequency Range Station, where 102 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,200 it circled for several minutes. Then it came back toward 103 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,600 Kirtland until it took up a position behind an Air Force C46 104 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:17,880 that had just taken off. It stayed in position behind the 105 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,920 C46 until they both moved out of radar range. 106 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,720 It's like this thing was showing up just to spy on them. 107 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,560 Amazing. And they have some more detail 108 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,280 in the article. This is really an excellent 109 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,960 little article here over at Above Top Secret. 110 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,320 I do like that site. Like I said, I'll put the link 111 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,200 at Kofi. You can check that out. 112 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,760 Now we go on here, we have another incident that's kind of 113 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,640 overlooked. It says the 1959 Super speed 114 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,440 incident. This didn't involve a siding, 115 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,320 but rather a radar tracking modeler said. 116 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,720 We have the original unknown track report from Kirtland Air 117 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,800 Force Base from September 1959. What's unusual about this is 118 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,640 that it wasn't just one radar or two radars or three radars. 119 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,200 It was 4 separate radar stations strategically placed throughout 120 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,760 New Mexico. All four were tracking this 121 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:11,240 unknown object. The object came in from the 122 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,320 South of the border, then flew toward Hobbes, then toward 123 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,080 Loveland, Texas, near Lubbock, and then flew back toward 124 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,040 Tucumberry, New Mexico. The original radar report 125 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,280 estimated the object speed at 2200 mile per hour and showed 126 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,800 the object making sharp angular turns. 127 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,480 We didn't have aircraft that could move that fast from over 128 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,080 said. Now we do have other radar track 129 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,680 reports that could be chalked up to radar interference systems 130 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,000 malfunctions or atmospheric phenomena. 131 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,400 But having four separate stations detecting this, they 132 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,360 consider this to be of a serious nature. 133 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,480 Yeah, I don't think you're going to have 4 radar systems fail at 134 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,600 the same time. The military took some of the 135 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,400 UFO reports seriously, not because they thought they were 136 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,240 aliens, but because they were concerned about Russia or other 137 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,480 countries during the Cold War. They were of concern that this 138 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,720 could be Soviet technology. Mueller said when the Air Force 139 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,120 got involved, they weren't there to prove aliens existence. 140 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,680 They weren't thinking aliens, but they were thinking Russians. 141 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,280 I wonder about that. I mean really, did the Russians 142 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,400 have anything like that? I don't know. 143 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:21,240 We have this article here from Springfield News Leader says 144 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,200 written by Steven Poken. It says Poken around 145 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,480 Springfield. Man says he was at White Sands 146 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,760 Missile Range when he saw UFO in 1959. 147 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,120 This is another the aspect of the story says I'm not into 148 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,559 conspiracy theories, But I have to wonder, was it coincidence 149 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,760 that editor Amos Bridges mentioned that UFO stories were 150 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,120 drawing big online audiences at the US USA TODAY Network sites? 151 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,440 And only days later, Jack Henry stopped me after church to 152 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,960 report he once saw a UFO. So right after, right off the 153 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,160 bat, you get this guy, you can tell he's going to be a 154 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,880 debunker, I think he says. It made me think, what do I 155 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,040 really know about Henry? Well, he is 92 years old. 156 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,480 He has has a wife named Carolyn, two children and four 157 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,560 grandchildren, goes to church. I was in the Korean War, in the 158 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:14,600 field artillery, thus the hearing aids and in Vietnam. 159 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,200 In total, he was in the Army 22 years. 160 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,680 On February 17th, 1959, he was a captain at White Sands Missile 161 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:25,400 Range in New Mexico. It's a military testing area 162 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,600 operated by the Army. Originally established as the 163 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,960 White Sands Proving Ground on July 9th, 1945, the first atomic 164 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,080 bomb was detonated there on July 16th, 1945. 165 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:39,880 In 1959 World War Two was behind us. 166 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,720 We were engaged in a Cold War against what was called the 167 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,240 Soviet Union, now Russia. Henry worked on the Redstone 168 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,240 missile project. The PGM 11 Redstone was the 169 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,320 first large American ballistic missile. 170 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,280 It was an active service with the Army in West Germany from 171 00:09:55,280 --> 00:10:00,840 June 1958 to June 1964. At White Sands. 172 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,200 Hebridge was the launchpad and control safety officer. 173 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,760 Launches had a countdown of 33 hours. 174 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,600 He says he and several others stayed at the night in a block 175 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,200 house near the launch site. The launch was controlled from 176 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,760 within the block house. His normal residence at the time 177 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,400 was with his first with his wife and two children in the family 178 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,360 barracks at White Sands. Henry was up at sunrise that 179 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,680 morning to inspect the site and to begin the filling process. 180 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,720 The launch was several hours off. 181 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,040 He was standing near the launch tower, which was near the guided 182 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,520 missile. The launch tire was on the 183 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,360 railroad tracks and could be moved later. 184 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,360 Prior to launch, it would be moved for the back. 185 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,840 All of a sudden I saw this huge bright object. 186 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,200 Of course it was not supposed to be there. 187 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,800 When I first thought was that it was a fireball. 188 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,840 It was a globe looking thing, but it wasn't flaming. 189 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,640 It was very, very bright and you could see through it. 190 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,840 He saw three globes that moved as if connected. 191 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,080 Each was about 30 feet in diameter. 192 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,040 They were low at my eye level. You could see through them, it 193 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,200 seemed to me There was a pause. Then it says, did you at? 194 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,160 Did you see anything inside the globes? 195 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,760 No, he says. They were bright yet 196 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,120 transparent. The globes, which he estimated 197 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,520 were about 150 feet away, departed in unison at a high 198 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,840 rate of speed and moved over the other test launch sites on the 199 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,280 grounds and quickly fell out of sight. 200 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:29,480 The whole thing had to have taken place in 30 to 40 seconds. 201 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,280 And then he says, did anyone else see it? 202 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,040 He says, therein lies a problem. No. 203 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:41,880 Well, you know, this is not an uncommon thing that these things 204 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,680 were cited and then maybe one person saw them and that was all 205 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:49,600 there was to it. But you just you get the idea 206 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:56,160 here of just the general, just the general disbelief that's 207 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:01,400 held by these people, by the mainstream media. 208 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,680 So while we have this, these high speed sighting happening 209 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:10,120 here in 1959 and at the same time going on, we had these 210 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:15,080 things buzzing around the White Sands nuclear, nuclear site, 211 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,440 around that White Sands missile site. 212 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,600 It almost seems as if they have a high interest in these 213 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,680 missiles, maybe in atomic warfare. 214 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,600 And we're seeing this all over New Mexico. 215 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,160 Of course, New Mexico is a Center for this. 216 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,000 Now we'll finish up here with this last case. 217 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,960 This is known as the 1964 Hobbes Burn case. 218 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,440 It says sightings are one thing, but contact with a UFO? 219 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:40,720 That raises new questions, as was the case for a 1964 incident 220 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,600 in Hobbs, NM. It reportedly happened to an 8 221 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,680 year old boy outside of a laundry mat. 222 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,320 The boy's grandmother was standing just feet from him when 223 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,160 the incident occurred. What they both described was 224 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,000 seeing this black top shaped object that hovered over a 225 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,800 nearby building and he looked at it and he stood up and he moved 226 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,080 to the left and the object mimicked his maneuver and it 227 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,120 moved to the left and hovered. He moved to the right and it 228 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,360 replicated his maneuver, Mahler said. 229 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,840 Eventually it made a beeline course directly toward him. 230 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,480 A column of fire emitted out of the bottom of this object, set 231 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,680 his hair on fire and burned his face. 232 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:25,000 Murmur said he had burns from the jaw line up. 233 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,400 Man, that sounds terrible. After being rushed to the 234 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,920 hospital, the boy was treated and made a recovery. 235 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,640 The odd thing, however, was that the report from Hobbes matches 236 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,560 another event in Georgia. In Lavonia, GA, there was a 237 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:41,880 gentleman by the name of Buford Parham who was a salesman coming 238 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,520 home late one night around 1:00 AM in the morning morning he was 239 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:50,960 suddenly accosted by this black top shaped object flying around 240 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,120 his car, emitting a flame out of the bottom. 241 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,560 For a few weeks after that, others in Georgia would report 242 00:13:57,560 --> 00:14:00,080 similar sightings. Police, business leaders, 243 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,160 housewives, all manner people were describing these and all 244 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,840 the sightings, including the Hops incident occurred on 245 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,200 Tuesday's Mueller adds. But that is really weird. 246 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,120 Finally they finished up here with this. 247 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,000 This is from real TV UFOs dot blog dot com. 248 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,720 I thought that was cool. The date of this is March 12th, 249 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,680 2020. It says UFO news article Hobbs 250 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,320 case cited and it goes on talks about this. 251 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,720 It says and the article says almost five years ago a blacktop 252 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,240 whooshed over the top of a laundry and Hobbs and burned a 253 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,280 young man so badly he looked like something out of a horror 254 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,240 movie. It goes on to say you wouldn't 255 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,160 you couldn't see his eyes, his ears and mouth were turned wrong 256 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,000 side out just to look at him and make you want to go into his 257 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,400 stereo. Mrs. Jodem Idelman, 319 North 258 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,200 Lynch, Hobbs, reluctantly recalled the incident in a 259 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,840 telephone interview recently. Of course, this is an old 260 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,040 article. It was no fraud, no hoax. 261 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,680 This thing really happened. She said it happened to her son, 262 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,600 Charles Keith Davis, who was eight years old at the time of 263 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,760 an incident. Now 13, on June 2nd, 1964, he 264 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,920 can remember vividly how the hissing unidentified flying 265 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,440 object came at him at about 4:00 PM on a clear day. 266 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:14,120 Up to now there has been little publicity then, it says. 267 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,120 CA Robinson, a Plainview businessman who claims he has 268 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,440 been a UFO nut for two years, says the Hobbs, Levelland and 269 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,280 Lubbock lights cases are examples of something people 270 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,960 don't want to understand and want to forget. 271 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,360 The Air Force, he says, has for 20 years attempted to cover up 272 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,600 things like that. What would you expect? 273 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,400 It's nothing but a whitewashed job. 274 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,440 Robinson came upon a brief resume of the Hobbs incident, 275 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,880 and while perusing one of the numerous books he has read on 276 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,760 UFOs, he said it disturbed him. Young Davis had gone with his 277 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,160 grandmother, Mrs. Frank Smith, to a laundry. 278 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,880 The Smiths operated at 600 E Marlin St. on the unforgettable 279 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,720 afternoon. With no hesitation in his voice, 280 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,720 the teenager told the Avalanche Journal that he walked out a 281 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,160 rear door of the laundry and went into the alley. 282 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,920 I looked up in the sky and it came at me. 283 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,840 It looked like a big black top. It burned me, but the ground 284 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,600 wasn't touched or anything, He said the thing just came down 285 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,360 and burned me. Missus Smith said. 286 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,200 I could see him under it, but I didn't know what it was. 287 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,400 His hair was standing up on his head. 288 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,800 I couldn't holler and he couldn't either. 289 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,840 He ran into the laundry and the skin was falling off his face. 290 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,880 Oh my. At the hospital, Misses Smith 291 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,440 told the story for the first time. 292 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,920 The doctor didn't pay me too much money at first. 293 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,600 Then I told him, I know this sounds kind of funny, but 294 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,360 whatever burned him wasn't anything in the laundry. 295 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,880 Misses Smith, the only adult witness, said the UFO looked 296 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,640 like a long burner. I would say it was about four 297 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,760 feet tall. That was a blaze at the end of 298 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,680 it. Then there was more of a smoke, 299 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,200 a real dark carbon like smoke that looked like it was coming 300 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,720 out of oblong holes. I don't know what it was. 301 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,560 The boy's T-shirt wasn't burned. Mrs. Smith pulled the boy to her 302 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,080 to put out the fire. The blouse she was wearing 303 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,000 wasn't scorched either. Mrs. Smith remembers hearing a 304 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,680 hissing sound or a whoosh, like something blew the building. 305 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,760 The youngster was hospitalized for more than two weeks and 306 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,520 spent another month at home recuperating. 307 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,200 They wouldn't even let him have a marriage. 308 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,760 Mother said the family is still in the dark about what really 309 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,720 happened. The T-shirt burned. 310 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,440 Scrapings and Mrs. Smith's blouse reportedly were sent to 311 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,160 the FBI and watched with the promise that the family would be 312 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,079 advised of the results of the analysis. 313 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,960 The Air Force says the incident never was officially reported to 314 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,000 it. They told us they would let us 315 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,960 know, but we've called them and sent letters and haven't heard a 316 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,480 word. They just keep putting us off. 317 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,520 Missus Idleman said Davis, now an eighth grader at Houston 318 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,920 Junior High School in Hobbs, suffered second degree burns of 319 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,280 the face. That's weird. 320 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,240 And they said his skin was peeling off. 321 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,840 That would almost sound like third degree burns. 322 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,640 But maybe, maybe it came back OK. 323 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,120 I don't know. An attending physician, who 324 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,200 declined to be quoted by name, said there was nothing any 325 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,160 different about the burns. The only question was what in 326 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,960 the world caused them. Doctor James E McDonald, senior 327 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:03,680 physicist at the Institute of Atmospheric Physics and the 328 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,280 University of Arizona and a leading authority on UFOs, also 329 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,440 has become interested in the case. 330 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,440 It's quite puzzling, he said. It's not. 331 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,960 It's not one paralleled by similar cases. 332 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,200 I am most inclined to make to take seriously the account by 333 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,720 the grandmother. McDonald said Mrs. Smith was 334 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,880 insincere and expressed whore and an inability to move. 335 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,320 It's exotic, such a bizarre case, he added. 336 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,560 Although McDonald is puzzled by it, he said he had. 337 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,720 I've talked with enough people that I don't see any basis for 338 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,960 rejecting it at all. The Plainview businessman was 339 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,240 also impressed by the case and urged a full investigation of 340 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:42,680 it. Man, that's a while. 341 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,200 But it's got a picture here. This kid in the original 342 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,000 article, just an amazing sighting. 343 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,120 We'll finish up with this last one they have here. 344 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:51,440 This is called the 1950 Pharma Keen incident. 345 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,320 It says this incident, which was extremely dramatic in nature, 346 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,240 occurred not over one evening or one day. 347 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,000 It occurred over 2 1/2 days. Marla said it happened during 348 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,560 broad daylight. People in Farmington, NM began 349 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,320 reporting seeing a group of flying objects in the sky. 350 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,560 It was described in Farmington, but at the same time it was 351 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,120 described on the other side of the state Tucumberry. 352 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,640 People are describing disc shaped silver objects there as 353 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,280 well. Marlo said some also described a 354 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,040 larger red disc shaped object that seemed to be leading the 355 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,120 silver objects. The LA Times said 50 people in 356 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,960 Farmington, including some pilots, reported saying the 357 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,400 objects. The Farmington Daily Times run 358 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,600 the headline Huge Saucers, Armada jolts Farmington. 359 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,200 Then it says I quote, I employ the terminology much in the same 360 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,360 way the military does. We're not saying 361 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:43,000 extraterrestrials, We're not saying aliens, Marlon said. 362 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,400 We are simply saying there are unidentified objects that do not 363 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,960 conform apparently to conventional aircraft or any 364 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,120 type of prosaic explanation. For Marler, the point is not to 365 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:55,280 make people believers. Whether his goal is to help 366 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,920 preserve the history and record. I think we have to keep an open 367 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,120 mind. Extraterrestrial and alien 368 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,640 should be at the bottom of the list if we're going to be 369 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,600 practical and looking at the UFO subject. 370 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,400 Marlo said some of these documents weren't declassified 371 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,320 until 20 or 30 years after the event. 372 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,560 You know, what are you waiting for? 373 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,120 But as we start bringing these records together, we can now 374 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:16,800 start painting a clearer picture of what transpired. 375 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,160 Marler continues to bring those records together, curating an 376 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,000 ever growing collection. For the National UFO Historical 377 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,720 Records Center. Wow, that's really really a well 378 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,040 written article. And the other ones looked I 379 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,920 think are pretty good too. It just goes to show there's so 380 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,440 many of these fantastic sightings just buried in a 381 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,080 library somewhere. Until next time, this is UFO 382 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,240 warning over and out.