Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning.
In this episode we're talking about New Mexico's unknown UFO
cases. That's correct, New Mexico's
unknown UFO cases. Now we all know about Roswell
and some of the other big cases out there in New Mexico, but
there are a few that have kind of slipped under the radar over
the years. Now if you're an avid UFO
fanatic like me or, or a lot of the listeners to this program,
you probably have heard of these.
But this article I found was interesting.
We'll take a look at these three cases they bring up and then go
into a little more detail on some of them.
The article is from krqe.com, krqe.com, Dateline, Albuquerque,
NM written by Curtis Segara, dated May 21st, 2024.
So just a couple months ago. It says New Mexico's UFO
incidents you've never heard of. You probably know about the
Roswell incident, but New Mexico's history of unidentified
flying objects is far richer and weirder than just that one
event. To explore that history, KRQE
News 13 spoke with David Marler, the executive director of the
National UFO Historical Records Center.
He has access to a massive collection of UFO reports from
New Mexico and around the world. Here are a few incidents you
might not have heard of then. It says 1957 Albuquerque radar
incident. When you look at the history of
UFO sight agency New Mexico, admittedly we don't have a large
population compared to some states, but what we do have is a
wealth of military operations areas and scientific and
research development areas. Marler said the state has a rich
history of UFO sightings going back to 1947 by trained and
qualified observers, military civilian and pilots.
On November 4th, 1957, military radar operators tracked an
unknown object straight out of a science fiction magazine.
Marler tells the story from the original military reports from
Kirkland Air Force Base. The object actually violated the
perimeter at Kirtland Air Base, and two seasoned personnel were
observing the object from the control tower at Kirtland with
binoculars, Marler said. The object was described as
looking like a car, standing vertical on end with a white
light at the bottom. The flight characteristics were
highly unusual. The report said the object could
hover, change direction and move rapidly.
And that's not the only report of odd flying objects in the
state. Now, before I go on here, I want
to take a look at this 1957 incident.
I found a little write up about it over here at
abovetopsecret.com. I'll put the links over at the
Kofi site. As always, thank you to the
people that support the program over there.
The people that support the program over at COFI really do
help help keep the message getting out there.
Now this title says Kirtland Air Force Base Radar Visual UFO
November 1957. We get into the post a little
bit here. It says it describes the
incident that says Area 51 and Wright Patterson Air Force Base
are perhaps the best known Air Force installations with
connections to the subject of UFOs, but they are by no means
the only ones. The UFO incidents that have
occurred at or near Kirkland Air Force Base near Albuquerque, NM,
seem to have been ignored by mainstream ufology.
And then it says this famous sighting occurred in 1957.
Witness FAA CA tower personnel RM Kaiser and EG Brink, reliable
observers with 23 years of airport tower control experience
between them. And then it says, weather, light
rain. A lighted object came down
steeply at the East End of runway 26, left the flight line,
crossed runways, taxiways and unpaved areas at about a 30°
angle, and proceeded SW toward the control tower at an altitude
of less than 100 feet. Observing through 7X binoculars.
The object appeared to be egg shaped, having no wings, tail or
fuselage, and was elongated vertically.
It appeared to be 15 to 20 feet tall, about the size of an
automobile standing on its nose, and had a single white light at
a space. Both Kaiser and Brink
emphatically stated that the object in no way resembled an
aircraft. Now, I think there's some
nonsense debunking going on out there that there was a secret
search for an atomic bomb in there or something.
I'm not even going to get into it at this at this point, but
there you have the description by two guys with 23 years of
experience. They see the UFO.
It's the size of a car since 1957.
Fifteen foot long object standing on its inside with a
bright light at the bottom. It's just zipping, descending
down out of the sky. No airplane, especially in 1957,
could have done that. No drones back then.
This was clearly a UFO. It says when the object was
about 3000 feet ENE of the tower.
I suppose I mean E NE. It stopped completely and
hovered for about a minute. Then it began moving again,
slowly at first, but then suddenly climbing at an
extremely rapid rate of speed until it disappeared into the
overcast sky. The object was in Clearview at
all times with no intervening obstructions, according to the
two men. At this point, Kaiser and Brink
phone the CAA radar approach control Rapcon.
You have to ask them if they could detect a fast target to
the West. RAPCON was using CPN Dash 18
surveillance radar at the time. Radar showed the target moved
eastward, then turned S at very high speed until it reached the
vicinity of Albuquerque Low Frequency Range Station, where
it circled for several minutes. Then it came back toward
Kirtland until it took up a position behind an Air Force C46
that had just taken off. It stayed in position behind the
C46 until they both moved out of radar range.
It's like this thing was showing up just to spy on them.
Amazing. And they have some more detail
in the article. This is really an excellent
little article here over at Above Top Secret.
I do like that site. Like I said, I'll put the link
at Kofi. You can check that out.
Now we go on here, we have another incident that's kind of
overlooked. It says the 1959 Super speed
incident. This didn't involve a siding,
but rather a radar tracking modeler said.
We have the original unknown track report from Kirtland Air
Force Base from September 1959. What's unusual about this is
that it wasn't just one radar or two radars or three radars.
It was 4 separate radar stations strategically placed throughout
New Mexico. All four were tracking this
unknown object. The object came in from the
South of the border, then flew toward Hobbes, then toward
Loveland, Texas, near Lubbock, and then flew back toward
Tucumberry, New Mexico. The original radar report
estimated the object speed at 2200 mile per hour and showed
the object making sharp angular turns.
We didn't have aircraft that could move that fast from over
said. Now we do have other radar track
reports that could be chalked up to radar interference systems
malfunctions or atmospheric phenomena.
But having four separate stations detecting this, they
consider this to be of a serious nature.
Yeah, I don't think you're going to have 4 radar systems fail at
the same time. The military took some of the
UFO reports seriously, not because they thought they were
aliens, but because they were concerned about Russia or other
countries during the Cold War. They were of concern that this
could be Soviet technology. Mueller said when the Air Force
got involved, they weren't there to prove aliens existence.
They weren't thinking aliens, but they were thinking Russians.
I wonder about that. I mean really, did the Russians
have anything like that? I don't know.
We have this article here from Springfield News Leader says
written by Steven Poken. It says Poken around
Springfield. Man says he was at White Sands
Missile Range when he saw UFO in 1959.
This is another the aspect of the story says I'm not into
conspiracy theories, But I have to wonder, was it coincidence
that editor Amos Bridges mentioned that UFO stories were
drawing big online audiences at the US USA TODAY Network sites?
And only days later, Jack Henry stopped me after church to
report he once saw a UFO. So right after, right off the
bat, you get this guy, you can tell he's going to be a
debunker, I think he says. It made me think, what do I
really know about Henry? Well, he is 92 years old.
He has has a wife named Carolyn, two children and four
grandchildren, goes to church. I was in the Korean War, in the
field artillery, thus the hearing aids and in Vietnam.
In total, he was in the Army 22 years.
On February 17th, 1959, he was a captain at White Sands Missile
Range in New Mexico. It's a military testing area
operated by the Army. Originally established as the
White Sands Proving Ground on July 9th, 1945, the first atomic
bomb was detonated there on July 16th, 1945.
In 1959 World War Two was behind us.
We were engaged in a Cold War against what was called the
Soviet Union, now Russia. Henry worked on the Redstone
missile project. The PGM 11 Redstone was the
first large American ballistic missile.
It was an active service with the Army in West Germany from
June 1958 to June 1964. At White Sands.
Hebridge was the launchpad and control safety officer.
Launches had a countdown of 33 hours.
He says he and several others stayed at the night in a block
house near the launch site. The launch was controlled from
within the block house. His normal residence at the time
was with his first with his wife and two children in the family
barracks at White Sands. Henry was up at sunrise that
morning to inspect the site and to begin the filling process.
The launch was several hours off.
He was standing near the launch tower, which was near the guided
missile. The launch tire was on the
railroad tracks and could be moved later.
Prior to launch, it would be moved for the back.
All of a sudden I saw this huge bright object.
Of course it was not supposed to be there.
When I first thought was that it was a fireball.
It was a globe looking thing, but it wasn't flaming.
It was very, very bright and you could see through it.
He saw three globes that moved as if connected.
Each was about 30 feet in diameter.
They were low at my eye level. You could see through them, it
seemed to me There was a pause. Then it says, did you at?
Did you see anything inside the globes?
No, he says. They were bright yet
transparent. The globes, which he estimated
were about 150 feet away, departed in unison at a high
rate of speed and moved over the other test launch sites on the
grounds and quickly fell out of sight.
The whole thing had to have taken place in 30 to 40 seconds.
And then he says, did anyone else see it?
He says, therein lies a problem. No.
Well, you know, this is not an uncommon thing that these things
were cited and then maybe one person saw them and that was all
there was to it. But you just you get the idea
here of just the general, just the general disbelief that's
held by these people, by the mainstream media.
So while we have this, these high speed sighting happening
here in 1959 and at the same time going on, we had these
things buzzing around the White Sands nuclear, nuclear site,
around that White Sands missile site.
It almost seems as if they have a high interest in these
missiles, maybe in atomic warfare.
And we're seeing this all over New Mexico.
Of course, New Mexico is a Center for this.
Now we'll finish up here with this last case.
This is known as the 1964 Hobbes Burn case.
It says sightings are one thing, but contact with a UFO?
That raises new questions, as was the case for a 1964 incident
in Hobbs, NM. It reportedly happened to an 8
year old boy outside of a laundry mat.
The boy's grandmother was standing just feet from him when
the incident occurred. What they both described was
seeing this black top shaped object that hovered over a
nearby building and he looked at it and he stood up and he moved
to the left and the object mimicked his maneuver and it
moved to the left and hovered. He moved to the right and it
replicated his maneuver, Mahler said.
Eventually it made a beeline course directly toward him.
A column of fire emitted out of the bottom of this object, set
his hair on fire and burned his face.
Murmur said he had burns from the jaw line up.
Man, that sounds terrible. After being rushed to the
hospital, the boy was treated and made a recovery.
The odd thing, however, was that the report from Hobbes matches
another event in Georgia. In Lavonia, GA, there was a
gentleman by the name of Buford Parham who was a salesman coming
home late one night around 1:00 AM in the morning morning he was
suddenly accosted by this black top shaped object flying around
his car, emitting a flame out of the bottom.
For a few weeks after that, others in Georgia would report
similar sightings. Police, business leaders,
housewives, all manner people were describing these and all
the sightings, including the Hops incident occurred on
Tuesday's Mueller adds. But that is really weird.
Finally they finished up here with this.
This is from real TV UFOs dot blog dot com.
I thought that was cool. The date of this is March 12th,
2020. It says UFO news article Hobbs
case cited and it goes on talks about this.
It says and the article says almost five years ago a blacktop
whooshed over the top of a laundry and Hobbs and burned a
young man so badly he looked like something out of a horror
movie. It goes on to say you wouldn't
you couldn't see his eyes, his ears and mouth were turned wrong
side out just to look at him and make you want to go into his
stereo. Mrs. Jodem Idelman, 319 North
Lynch, Hobbs, reluctantly recalled the incident in a
telephone interview recently. Of course, this is an old
article. It was no fraud, no hoax.
This thing really happened. She said it happened to her son,
Charles Keith Davis, who was eight years old at the time of
an incident. Now 13, on June 2nd, 1964, he
can remember vividly how the hissing unidentified flying
object came at him at about 4:00 PM on a clear day.
Up to now there has been little publicity then, it says.
CA Robinson, a Plainview businessman who claims he has
been a UFO nut for two years, says the Hobbs, Levelland and
Lubbock lights cases are examples of something people
don't want to understand and want to forget.
The Air Force, he says, has for 20 years attempted to cover up
things like that. What would you expect?
It's nothing but a whitewashed job.
Robinson came upon a brief resume of the Hobbs incident,
and while perusing one of the numerous books he has read on
UFOs, he said it disturbed him. Young Davis had gone with his
grandmother, Mrs. Frank Smith, to a laundry.
The Smiths operated at 600 E Marlin St. on the unforgettable
afternoon. With no hesitation in his voice,
the teenager told the Avalanche Journal that he walked out a
rear door of the laundry and went into the alley.
I looked up in the sky and it came at me.
It looked like a big black top. It burned me, but the ground
wasn't touched or anything, He said the thing just came down
and burned me. Missus Smith said.
I could see him under it, but I didn't know what it was.
His hair was standing up on his head.
I couldn't holler and he couldn't either.
He ran into the laundry and the skin was falling off his face.
Oh my. At the hospital, Misses Smith
told the story for the first time.
The doctor didn't pay me too much money at first.
Then I told him, I know this sounds kind of funny, but
whatever burned him wasn't anything in the laundry.
Misses Smith, the only adult witness, said the UFO looked
like a long burner. I would say it was about four
feet tall. That was a blaze at the end of
it. Then there was more of a smoke,
a real dark carbon like smoke that looked like it was coming
out of oblong holes. I don't know what it was.
The boy's T-shirt wasn't burned. Mrs. Smith pulled the boy to her
to put out the fire. The blouse she was wearing
wasn't scorched either. Mrs. Smith remembers hearing a
hissing sound or a whoosh, like something blew the building.
The youngster was hospitalized for more than two weeks and
spent another month at home recuperating.
They wouldn't even let him have a marriage.
Mother said the family is still in the dark about what really
happened. The T-shirt burned.
Scrapings and Mrs. Smith's blouse reportedly were sent to
the FBI and watched with the promise that the family would be
advised of the results of the analysis.
The Air Force says the incident never was officially reported to
it. They told us they would let us
know, but we've called them and sent letters and haven't heard a
word. They just keep putting us off.
Missus Idleman said Davis, now an eighth grader at Houston
Junior High School in Hobbs, suffered second degree burns of
the face. That's weird.
And they said his skin was peeling off.
That would almost sound like third degree burns.
But maybe, maybe it came back OK.
I don't know. An attending physician, who
declined to be quoted by name, said there was nothing any
different about the burns. The only question was what in
the world caused them. Doctor James E McDonald, senior
physicist at the Institute of Atmospheric Physics and the
University of Arizona and a leading authority on UFOs, also
has become interested in the case.
It's quite puzzling, he said. It's not.
It's not one paralleled by similar cases.
I am most inclined to make to take seriously the account by
the grandmother. McDonald said Mrs. Smith was
insincere and expressed whore and an inability to move.
It's exotic, such a bizarre case, he added.
Although McDonald is puzzled by it, he said he had.
I've talked with enough people that I don't see any basis for
rejecting it at all. The Plainview businessman was
also impressed by the case and urged a full investigation of
it. Man, that's a while.
But it's got a picture here. This kid in the original
article, just an amazing sighting.
We'll finish up with this last one they have here.
This is called the 1950 Pharma Keen incident.
It says this incident, which was extremely dramatic in nature,
occurred not over one evening or one day.
It occurred over 2 1/2 days. Marla said it happened during
broad daylight. People in Farmington, NM began
reporting seeing a group of flying objects in the sky.
It was described in Farmington, but at the same time it was
described on the other side of the state Tucumberry.
People are describing disc shaped silver objects there as
well. Marlo said some also described a
larger red disc shaped object that seemed to be leading the
silver objects. The LA Times said 50 people in
Farmington, including some pilots, reported saying the
objects. The Farmington Daily Times run
the headline Huge Saucers, Armada jolts Farmington.
Then it says I quote, I employ the terminology much in the same
way the military does. We're not saying
extraterrestrials, We're not saying aliens, Marlon said.
We are simply saying there are unidentified objects that do not
conform apparently to conventional aircraft or any
type of prosaic explanation. For Marler, the point is not to
make people believers. Whether his goal is to help
preserve the history and record. I think we have to keep an open
mind. Extraterrestrial and alien
should be at the bottom of the list if we're going to be
practical and looking at the UFO subject.
Marlo said some of these documents weren't declassified
until 20 or 30 years after the event.
You know, what are you waiting for?
But as we start bringing these records together, we can now
start painting a clearer picture of what transpired.
Marler continues to bring those records together, curating an
ever growing collection. For the National UFO Historical
Records Center. Wow, that's really really a well
written article. And the other ones looked I
think are pretty good too. It just goes to show there's so
many of these fantastic sightings just buried in a
library somewhere. Until next time, this is UFO
warning over and out.