Hello and welcome to the program.
You have a warning in this episode we're talking about
Bigfoot bones. That's correct.
Bigfoot bones. You know, a lot of people when
we talk about Bigfoot say, well, why haven't we found any bones?
Well, maybe we haven't found bones of Bigfoot, but maybe we
found some bones that were chewed on by Bigfoot.
Kind of an interesting thought. I found this article over at
chromeline.com talking about these Bigfoot bones or bones
rather that were possibly not on by Bigfoot around the Saint
Helens area. The article says proof of
Bigfoot is in the bones. Winlock Man says and that's got
a picture here, several pictures actually these these bone
fragments that look like they've been just had chunks spitting
out of almost like, you know, if you take a bite out of an apple
or something, It says in the picture, it says this photo
shows a bone with human like teeth imprints, including a
front incisor and lateral incisor.
The research compiled by Mitchell Townsend, it shows the
bite ratio is 2 1/2 times larger than that of a human.
So that would be an awful big bite.
I mean 2 1/2 times the size of a human and you just to bite
straight through his bone cleanly like I said, like it's
just like a bite of an apple or something.
This article is written by Justina Tomatis.
I think it says May 14th, 2015 is a mystery of Bigfoot's
existence finally solved. One Centralia College instructor
said he has discovered scientific evidence that proves
the creatures existence. He believes the information will
be one of the biggest scientific finds of the century.
Mitchell Townsend, a Winlock resident and teacher in the
college's continuing education program, said he was walking
through the woods near Rhine Lake in east Lewis County when
he came across a stack of bones. The find itself was unusual
since predators typically disperse remains rather quickly,
he said. Upon further inspection, he
noticed large human like teeth imprints in the bones.
I got to looking at the bones and they had been knawed on, but
what looked to me to be giant human teeth.
He said. After two of his students from
Lower Columbia College found two more stacks of bones on the
South side of Mount Saint Helens, he said it became clear
the kill sites were similar in a variety of ways.
The bone stacking technique is specific to a humanoid and was
cited as human behavior, he said.
Well, I I think they're missing the point here.
Human is not the same thing as humanoid.
Again, human like teeth imprints were notched into the bones.
Yeah, human like is not human. This sounds really weird to me.
No predator impressions or tool marks were found on the remains,
and after consulting with the Department of Fish and Wildlife,
Townsend said all natural predators in the area were ruled
out. The two additional sites located
by his students shed more light on the creature responsible for
the activity. The trio found footprints with a
length of 16 inches. He claims height, weight and
proportion calculations paired with the length of the stride
between steps conferred. The creature had to be about 8
feet 8 inches tall. Although the footprints looked
human, they had a much wider and broader profile and did not have
an arch, so they look similar to humanity.
I wouldn't even say if they looked human.
There's no arch. If you add it all up, you have
an 8 foot 8 inch tall creature that is killing animals at
different areas of Mount Saint Helens with his bare hands,
chewing them up, literally, skin and bones and all, and spitting
them out between his legs. Townsend said.
The teeth Marks and the bone showed what Townsend said were
impressions of incisors and canines, but 90% of the teeth
were beyond the range of human possibility.
As for the mouth size, the bite ratio was calculated at 2 1/2
times wider than that of a person.
The bones also showed dental signatures and different human
chewing strategies from ancient caveman, including bone peeling,
he said. The bottom line is only humans
do that because of the shape of our teeth and the shape of our
jaw, so we have to gnaw at the edge of the bone.
A double arch structure also showed the teeth were closely
related to the Neanderthals and the molars left triangle
impressions as opposed to circular impressions an ape or
chimpanzee would leave, he said The evidence is what the
professor said was forensic dental evidence and behavioural
evidence showing the massive creature is part human.
Now, to me, they're making a little bit of a leap here.
His discovery aims to prove there is, in fact, a hominid
species living in the area of Mount Saint Helens that derive
from the breeding of Native Americans and giant ape.
Now, to me, you've taken a, you've taken a giant leap there
when you're saying, well, because the saying looks similar
to a human, it has bite marks that are similar to humans, only
2 1/2 times the size. Well, then this must be a
situation where Native Americans interbred with some kind of a
giant ape. You know, I, I don't even think
that the human and, and ape DNA is going to be able to mix like
that. My theory is it's not an ape.
It's a hybrid that has been interbreeding with Native
Americans for the last 80,000 years, Townsend said.
That's why it's so smart and it has human teeth.
Talents information will be published in a research paper
and he challenges the scientific community to discredit his
information. He said the four year project
helped solve the mystery because the focus was based on forensic
evidence. The information used was heavily
based on comparison proof from the top scientists in the world.
The evidence stands on its own. You proved the evidence wrong,
he said, adding that the bones would be made available for
examination to any scientist who wanted to examine their remains.
We put thousands of hours into this.
We just want to give this to the world and the scientific
community free of charge to add to the scientific body of
knowledge. That's interesting.
I have heard about this story before, but I never really
seemed to get much traction with this idea that we have these
bones that have been located that look like they've got these
bite marks. From what would be Bigfoot, very
similar to what we could imagine as a giant human.
Now I don't think that means that they're inbred with people
or anything like that. I just think that that they
resemble humans. They also resemble apes and
chimpanzees, but only on a much larger scale.
Now this whole area around Saint Helens, it does seem to have a
lot of history with Bigfoot. If we go on this next article,
take a look at this. I found this over at TWRP. s.com
at Columbian County Historian homepage talks about this
encounter that happened in 1924. Bigfoot 1924 Strange animal
scene. A story that rivals the most
spine tingling tales of fiction has set Kelso and Southwest
Washington as well as this section of Oregon agog with
curiosity and speculation as to its authenticity and truth.
It is a story of an encounter with strange hairy ape like
creatures at the base of Mount Saint Helens in the vicinity of
Muddy River, 8 miles from Spirit Lake.
The men who brought the story to Kelso are Marion Smith and his
son Ray Lexington and Fred Beck and Joe Peterson who have been
prospecting in the walls of Saint Helens country for the
past six years. Boy, some tough guys out there
prospecting for six years, I suppose, off and on as he told a
representative of the Castonian. The story by Marion Smith is
reproduced word for word, quote. We have been prospecting there
for six years. About 16 days ago, Becca myself
saw one of these animals peeking from behind a tree at a distance
of about 100 yards. We fired and I think I hit it in
the head. It fell back as though struck.
And curious to know the nature of the animal, we crossed an an
intervening Canyon, but he had gone by the time we reached the
tree. We noticed large tracks from 13
to 14 inches long and resembling those of a man, and I warned my
son to carry a rifle wherever he went into the woods.
We had seen these tracks in former years and were determined
to investigate. We came in for the 4th, but said
nothing to any one of our experience.
Wednesday, while we were at the mine, Roy went to the spring for
water, carrying only a revolver. As he was returning he heard a
cracking in the altars, and turning, saw one of the animals
charging out of the woods at him, waving his arms over his
head and striking his chest. He farted it with a pistol, the
animal coming with his feet within feet of him, before it
turned back into the woods. He was badly frightened and
hurried back to camp. Thursday, Roy and Fred
encountered another of the animals as they were going to
the cabin. They fired at it and Peterson
ran out of the cabin with his revolver.
Between them. They fired 16 shots, the final
shot by Beck apparently striking the animal and toppling it over
the edge of the Canyon. This Canyon has steep sides and
we could only have gotten down by using ropes.
I heard the animal fall and tried to look down, but it was
so steep I couldn't see the bottom.
Wow. That night, about 11, we were
startled out of our sleep by rocks falling through the hole
in the roof of our cabin, which served as a smokestack.
The bombardment continued until after two in the morning, I
insisted on building a large fire to frighten away the
animals, which pushed against the door and made a great deal
of noise around the cabin, drumming on their chest.
It was a terrifying experience. We nailed the door shut and I
and I advised not to shoot so that we would have all our
ammunition in case they broke in in the morning.
We were glad to start home. Six years ago when we first
located our claim, we saw the strange 4 toed tracks with their
toes short and stubby and almost square across and have seen them
several times since. Two years ago the strange
animals sought to enter our tent and we found tracks around our
tent in the morning. All this weekend the woods
around the cabin were being combed with hunters for the
strange creatures, but so far no report has been heard from the
hunters. Various explanations for their
presence have been advanced and many in Kelso have ventured to
say that the story is a product of imagination.
The miners insist, however, that they saw the creatures and their
stories are given some support from old timers who have heard
of the giant creatures that are said to inhabit the country
there. The story was given full
credence by a member of the Callum tribe at Oakland,
Washington this week with the appearance of a lengthy article
describing the little known Seatac Indians, which are said
to be a skeleton in the Northwest Indians closet.
Because the more advanced Indians of the Northwest have
been ashamed of the Seatacs, they have kept the secret of the
existence of this half animal tribe.
Descriptions given of these strange Indians tally in every
respect with what the miners said about them.
Indians in the Washington country, however, are skeptical
about the success that awaits the hunters, as their habits are
so uncanny that it is a foregone conclusion that they will not be
seen. The story is being thoroughly
investigated by game officials and other authorities and Kelso
and the territory in which the creatures were seen.
Wow, that's really a crazy story, isn't it?
It says, and then it goes on down.
It says. Doctor DF Howard pioneer Stella
Washington was in Rainier Tuesday and Wednesday and paid
the review office a call telling of a tribe known as Acetics,
which are which are below the average Northwest Indian in many
respects and which have almost never been mentioned in this
article. It claimed that the Acetics
stand fully 7 feet in height and have some and some have been
said to be 8 feet. Their bodies are covered with
hair giving the appearance of huge bears.
They said that these Indians take 12 lives for each of the
lives taken in their tribe, which might bear out the
statement that the animals returned and stone the camp and
stone the cabin after it was thought that one of them had
been killed by the miners. Well, I guess they they weren't
successful. This is kind of strange to me
how it, you know it in this article and the one before how
some people think these things were a hybrid creature that
developed out of interbreeding between Native Americans and
some kind of ape population. Or maybe they were just some
kind of a backward Native American tribe.
I don't really see that myself. I, I still believe these things
are mostly interdimensional, but maybe kind of phase in and out
of this dimension and they do eat because otherwise how do you
explain these things? Being able to take a bullet to
the head and, and, and not die or falling off a Cliff and not
dying. It's, it's this really kind of
Gray area that they seem to occupy.
But that was the count from 1924.
And of course we had the count there talking about these bones
that have been knotted on. And then I look at this one last
article talking about these Bigfoot found in and around
Mount Saint Helens. This seems like such a strange
place, even after the volcano happened.
This article is from sasquatchthelegend.com, dated
April 14th, 2023. Says what really happened on
mountain St. Helens.
Of all the Sasquatch legends originating in the Pacific
Northwest, there's one in particular that has captured the
imagination of just about everyone who has heard it.
It's a tantalizing tale of exploding volcanoes, giant hairy
beings, shadowy government figures, mysterious helicopter
evacuations and more. Of course, there's all this idea
that when that volcano erupted, you know, devastated thousands,
I suppose, acres of land. And what would have happened to
the wildlife was there, I mean, burned up, covered in mud slides
and whatnot. And why haven't we found any
Bigfoot that might have been in that area also killed?
He says the story begins on May 18th, 1980, when Washington's
mountain St. Helens, one of the most
beautiful peaks in the Cascade Range, exploded in a
catastrophic eruption, killing dozens of people and thousands
of animals and rain, destructive rocks, ash and debris across the
region. After the eruption, a thick flow
of ash, mud and fallen trees choked the rivers and streams
and smothered what had once been a healthy forest.
The US Army Corps Engineer and the National Guard were called
upon to help in the rescue and recovery operations.
While the hard working men and women from these organizations
worked to recover the bodies of deer, elk, bear and other
animals, it is said they also came across the bodies of two
Sasquatch. These bodies were set aside,
covered with tarps and guarded by armed men and witnesses were
warned to keep quiet. Not all the Sasquatch found on
Mount Saint Helens were dead, however.
One purported witness stated that he and other men were told
to follow a very large, hairy man like creature with a sad
demeanor and a burned arm into the forest.
They stopped at several isolated rocky areas with caves, and each
time they stopped the creature would make a strange sound.
Sometimes there would be no answers at all, while other
times a second creature would respond with the same sound.
Using this method, the rescuers were able to locate some badly
burned Sasquatch, who were then brought to the camp for medical
attention. According to the tale, at the
end of the rescue mission, there was a debriefing during which
the witnesses were told that the Bigfoot creatures lived in the
forest and just wanted to be left alone.
They were asked to keep quiet in order to protect the few
creatures that were left. Another supposed participant of
this post eruption rescue mission stated that his Air
Force unit was sent to Mount Saint Helen's area to help with
the devastation. They were issued M sixteens and
Green Helmet Smart Guard and were told to protect some of the
military's medical tents and to prevent unauthorized people from
entering the tents. The witness said he saw doctors
guiding unusually tall people or creatures wrapped in overcoats
with their heads covered into the medical tent.
The injured beings were always covered with clothing and
bandages so that their faces and hands could not be seen.
It was a mystery to the men what they were guarding, but they
were told that they were guarding victims of the eruption
and not to ask any questions. In most versions of the story,
the rescuers completed their missions and moved on without
ever finding out what happened to the beings involved.
Some accounts indicated that the beings were relocated to other
parts of the Cascades, while others say that the beings were
given a home on a military base, Joint Base Lewis McCord, that
encompasses over 86,000 acres of mostly forced to terrain in the
South Puget Sound region. What exactly happened on Mount
Saint Helens following the eruption or burn?
Sasquatch beings really discovered and cared for by
members of the military, where they disguised as humans,
wrapped in large coats and brought to makeshift hospitals
for care. Many versions of the story exist
online in various publications, videos, documentary films,
etcetera. But hard evidence proving this
these events actually took place has proven difficult to find.
We may never have the full details of this account, but the
story lives on as one of the most captivating Bigfoot tales
of all time. Yeah, like a lot of these
stories, so much time passes that it just kind of transitions
into legend status, at which point it never has to be
addressed by the government. I did look into a couple
articles we were talking about people try to FOIA this stuff
and they were just told, yeah, we don't have anything on this.
But there's so many different stories about Bigfoot here and
in Mount Saint Helens area. It's just, it's just mind
boggling to me. I'll just finish off with this
last short story from the Mount Saint Helens concerning Bigfoot
this is titled the legend of Jim Carter chased off mount Saint
Helen by sasquatch's ape Canyon holds unresolved mystery is a
subtitle the Longview WA times stated August 1963 I found this
on the site was at newschoolers.com Spirit Lake,
mount Saint Helens, Washington is a dateline ape Canyon, the
legendary home of the Harry apes of mount Saint Helens apparently
swallowed and experienced Mountaineer and expert skier.
In May 1950, no trace of Jim Carter, 32, disappeared from a
20 member climbing party from Seattle was found, although
teams of the Northwest Most Proficient Mountain Rescue units
combed the area for weeks. Carter's complete disappearance
is an unsolved mystery to this day, declared Bob Lee, well
known Portland Mountaineer who is a member of the exclusive
Worldwide Alpine Club. A leader of the 1961 Himalayan
Expedition and advisor to the 1963 American Expedition, Lee
said he had never seen one of the monsters, but that there
certainly was evidence that there was something strange on
the high slopes of the mountain. He was convinced of this during
the search for Carter, he said. Doctor Otter Trot Lee Stark and
I finally came to the conclusion that the Mountain Devils got
him, said Lee. Seriously.
Lee, a member of the Seattle Mountain Search and Rescue Unit
at the time, describes the hunt for Carter and Ape Canyon as the
most eerie experience I've ever heard.
There's some of these things being spotted that are actually
naming areas after them. Ape Canyon.
He said that every time he got cut off from the West of the
Searchers during the long hunt, he got the feeling that somebody
was watching me. I could feel the hair on the
back of my neck standing up. It was eerie.
I was unarmed except for my ice axe, and believe me, I never let
go of that. At this point in Lee's story, I
could feel my own hair standing up a bit, ready to shoulder
packs for a step for Safari to Ape Canyon to try to determine
whether there's any truth to ape stories.
I began to feel a little dubious about the whole expedition.
The rest of Lee's tale about the Seattle man's disappearance
didn't do much to reassure me. It seems that the missing man,
Carter, had climbed Mount Saint Helens with a group from Seattle
on a warm, clear Sunday. On the way down the mountain, he
left the other climbers near a landmark called Dog's Head at
the 8000 foot level. Now, this is something that
David Pillai is always talks about.
His Missing 4, his Missing 411 series, he always talks about
the same. He helps point separation, be a
group of people. One of them splits off and
that's usually not a good sign and but we have it right here.
Carter told him he would ski around to the left and take a
picture of the group as they skied down to the timberline.
That was the last time that anyone saw Carter.
The next morning, searchers found a discarded film box at
the point where he had taken a picture.
From here, Carter evidently took off down the mountain in a wild
death defying dash, taking no chances that skiers of his
caliber would take unless something was terribly wrong or
he was being pursued, says Lee, who was one of the first
searchers to reach Carter's ski tracks.
Now First off, I have questions why this guy decided he needed
to go down to the bottom of the mountain and photograph these
guys as they came down. And then secondly, they talked
about him just going down this mountain at a high rate of
speed. Was he being chased by
something? Was he being drawn to some point
telepathically? More of this weird, weird
behavior that often takes place around these points of
separation that Politis is always talking about goes on
down here. He says he jumped over two or
three large crevices and evidently was going like the
devil. When Carter's tracks reached the
precipitous sides have 8 Canyon, the structures were amazed to
see that Carter had been in such a hurry that he went right down
the steep Canyon walls. But they did not find him at the
bottom of the Canyon as he expected.
So imagine this guy flying off the side of this mountain at
high speed, but there's no body. We come the Canyon one end to
the other for five days. Sometimes there were as many as
75 persons in the search party, but no sign of Carter or his
equipment was found, Lee said. After two weeks, the church was
called off. Lee, who has lived in the
Northwest most of his life, recalls there are about 25
different reports of people attacked by ape like men in the
Saint Helens and Cascade areas over a 20 year period.
One was a group of Boy Scouts from Centralia.
He said. Couldn't we check on that story?
As near as he could remember, several of the boys who were
taken off the mountain were hysterical after being attacked
by mountain devils. Director Dick Whitney of the
original Boy Scouts office in Olympia, WA promised to look for
a record of the incident. To our surprise, he called back
to say that he had located the name of the leader and the troop
involved in the incident. It was a troop under the late
Scout Master Peace from Centralia.
He said that's spelled P/E ASE when he promised to have Peace's
son, who works for the state of Washington, call the Journal as
soon as he returns from vacation.
I'm not seeing any follow up here.
Miners, Scouts, Mountaineers and most recently, an editor of
other reliable Portland residents.
The list of persons who have seen the Harry Apes at Mount
Saint Helens is very impressive. This, of course, is the Longview
Times dated 1963. It says, wow.
And then it's got a 1924 says that Prospector shot and killed
Bigfoot Nape Canyon that I believe was the one we just
talked about. And, well, the Bigfoot was shot
in the head, but no body, of course, was ever recovered.
Yeah, back to this missing hiker, though.
This is so puzzling to me, and it's such a strange case.
It reminds me so much of the ones that Dave Plitus talks
about where people are going on this group outing and then for
some inexplicable reason, a person decides that, hey, I'm
going to do this or I'm going to do that.
Almost like they're being called away and they give some kind of
feeble excuse and they take off. And at this point of separation,
and then sometimes they track them to the, it's almost like
they just disappear into thin air.
Well, in this one here, he kind of did if he just really skis
off the edge of this Canyon. But then you would expect to
find the body at the bottom of the Canyon.
Like they said, they searched for five days, found nothing and
at the same time of this whole backdrop, this area, we have
multiple reports of what we would call now today, Bigfoot.
Very, very strange things indeed.
Some really cool different sightings and stories
surrounding the whole Bigfoot legend out there in and around
Mount Saint Helen. Fitting clear back from 1924
through the 50s after the eruption period and then with
these bones that were found what early 2010, 2015 with these
human like bite impressions out of them.
Lots of cool evidence for Bigfoot in Washington state.
Until next time, this is UFO warning over and out.