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Hello and welcome to the podcast
UFO warning, today, I'd like to 

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talk a little bit about a site 
that was supposed to have taken 

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place back in the mid 1950s. 
It's called the Del Rio UFO 

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crash. 
This is one of those crashes. 

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That's kind of Taken on a life 
of its own. 

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And I did some research into it 
and get my notes on here, and I 

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think that it's really going to 
be one of those cases that fall 

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Falls into probably not provable
if definitely just didn't 

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happen. 
It doesn't pass the test of as 

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we say, any time we do a UFO 
investigation or we have a 

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sighting. 
They were trying to record. 

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We want to know what where when 
and who well what happened? 

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Supposedly was that a UFO 
crashed UFO was intercepted by a

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group of fighter jets? 
Who were escorting a bomber down

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in South Texas? 
And supposedly. 

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This UFO was coming along at 
about 2,000 miles, an hour 

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veered in front of the flight 
group and ended up crashing just

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across the Rio Grande and the 
Mexican border the dates of when

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it happened. 
Varied it started out that it's 

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it was supposedly first reported
that it occurred like I think in

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1948 then the date went to 1950.
Then the day 29 1955, 56 or 57. 

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Just Not quite sure. 
So we have a shifting date on 

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it, which causes some problems. 
And then the biggest problem is 

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who reports the site and this is
a fellow called Colonel, Robert 

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Willingham. 
Now from what I could find and I

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put links on the website UFO 
morning.com, it looks like he 

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actually was a colonel but he 
was a colonel in the civilian 

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silver, our civilian Civil Air 
Patrol and Pennsylvania, And I 

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put up a video there to have a 
conference. 

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There were some people that 
there's a been a book written 

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about this and the presentations
interesting enough. 

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But they claimed that he was a 
WWII fighter pilot under patent 

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that he served in the Korean 
War, that he got hurt that he 

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came back to the States and that
he was in the reserves, flying a

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Texas when this happened. 
But the fellow that did some 

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actual research on it, which no 
one else seems to have done and 

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got ahold the Army records 
showed that he went into the Air

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Force at the very end of 1945. 
So it's questionable, if you 

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would have you consider any 
combat, secondly, he did come 

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back to the States, but he 
wasn't in the Air Force Reserve,

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he or the Army Reserve, whether 
it would have been back then he 

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was in the Civil Air Patrol and 
he was not stationed in Texas at

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the time of that. 
At UFO crash supposing crash. 

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It was actually in Pennsylvania.
So the dates don't match up 

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according to mr. 
Won't Willingham. 

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I listened to some of his 
interview. 

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He did an interview, he's passed
away. 

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Now he was an old guy, he was 
born in 1926 and I listened to 

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an interview that he had done 
with. 

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I think it was Jeff France and 
it's on its online. 

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And the interview was done I 
believe in night in a 2010 and 

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in a couple different Aunt. 
The problem kind of becomes 

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first off. 
He describes that he was 

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escorting this bomber and the 
way he describes it seems a 

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little I'm not sure if passed 
the mustard test, he describes 

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that they all all all all the 
people involved all the there 

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were four fighter jets and this 
big bomber and they were doing 

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some kind of a military drill. 
You know? 

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It's cold war-era and they were 
preparing for a military drill. 

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They're flying this bomber 
escort group. 

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Poop into the Air Force Base 
there. 

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I can't think of the name 
offhand, but it was in say, 

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North Central, Texas North East 
Texas. 

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And he says that they see the 
UFO approaching from the left 

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basically, at a high rate of 
speed 2000 mph. 

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I think he estimates and then it
just like Cuts immediate, right 

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angle at a possibly high speeds 
and cuts under them. 

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I think he says, and then he 
noticed that they notice the UFO

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the saucer shape Flies to the 
right southbound crosses, the 

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Rio Grande River. 
There and crash is just on the 

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other side of the Rio, Grande 
River into the Mexico territory 

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and this is right across from 
the. 

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I think it's called the Roy beam
Judge, Roy Bean Ranch. 

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There's a big big like State 
Park or something there now. 

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So it's it's a well-known area 
and you can see where I mean you

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can Google maps that are watch 
any of the videos. 

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On this particular alleged crash
and see exactly where it said to

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have occurred at now. 
Mr. Willingham says that he gets

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back to base and supposedly 
they're told that never 

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happened, don't say anything. 
But somehow he gets permission 

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from his commanding officer and 
he gets another pilot and they 

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take this little trainer Cessna 
and they fly across the river, 

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which is the US border and which
he just Looks like still big 

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deal. 
I'm not sure how things were in 

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1955, but seems like just a fly 
across into the country's 

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airspace without permission. 
Might be a little bit of a deal,

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he flies over there and earlier 
he has said in an interview that

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this Reckless wrecked site, was 
just a complete Masters metal 

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scattered everywhere. 
He points out that on the 

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interview that that while the 
Roswell crash left, like a lot 

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of foil and like, lightweight 
stuff that this stuff. 

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I'd like actual pieces of metal 
chunks of metal lying about, 

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which is interesting because, 
you know, the crash site that he

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describes as you would think of 
as a catastrophic failure. 

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Like there's not one piece 
connected to another but fast 

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forward. 
He says he says, however, he 

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says that when him and his is a 
passenger, find this little 

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Cessna type playing across the 
Rio Grande from the airport 

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bait. 
Basically, we're just at they 

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fly over the crash site, okay? 
With no concern about Factory 

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coming into another country. 
They flower the crash site, they

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see the flight. 
They see the UFO crash down and 

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now he begins to describe it as 
if it's like a whole UFO that 

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gets intact. 
So he just it's like Indiana 

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Jones or something. 
He says that he lands the 

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airplane right out there in this
flat area. 

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Well if you look at at this 
place on the Google Maps it 

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looks pretty rough and there's 
some Drone footage that when the

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researchers did anyway we'll 
give him the credit will assume 

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that he was able to land this 
little airplane in a dirt field 

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where he never met before. 
Okay I'll just give you that 

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he's a skilled Air Force pilot. 
This is noon disputed so he 

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lands a plane with his friend 
they get out. 

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He says and he claims that he 
claims in the rinse interview 

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that he walked over to the UFO 
but first he says he gets out 

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and there's a bunch of Mexican 
soldiers around and they're not 

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going to let him near but then 
he says Makes a comment that 

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well, when the lieutenant came 
over, well, he's a colonel but 

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the guy with him is Lieutenant. 
I don't know, maybe I'm wrong 

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here, but I thought that the 
colonel was quite a ways. 

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Up the food chain from a 
lieutenant that parties makes 

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sense to me. 
So anyway, nevermind, he gets, 

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he gets over to the UFO. 
A claims and sees small 

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alien-like creature inside which
contradicts earlier descriptions

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where he claims that. 
He never got more than Within. 

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60 feet of the, the crashed UFO.
So basically you have three 

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different versions, he's giving 
it first. 

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You says, yeah, there's the 
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it's a complete disaster pieces,
laying everywhere. 

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Then he says, yep, I landed at 
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couldn't get with the 60 feet of
it because the Mexican soldiers 

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wouldn't let me. 
And then by 2010 he says, well I

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got to the crash site and once 
they saw my friend who was a 

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lower-ranking officer Say then 
they let me go over and have a 

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look. 
But there's no one here to 

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cooperate story and quite 
frankly, the gentleman has 

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passed away. 
So we have no way to cross 

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examine him. 
There's been some other stuff 

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brought up since his death. 
I think it's been since he's 

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passed away. 
That there was a research. 

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He's some kind of a scientist. 
I don't know if he's like if 

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he's if he's degrees in physics 
or whatnot. 

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Hobbit. 
I think it was something about 

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laser research and I'm 
supposedly, he had done an 

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interview with George Knapp and 
he had alluded to the fact that 

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rests that that material have 
been taken from the site. 

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But you know that's just one 
conversation and he hasn't done 

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anything right back at up. 
So I've looked the case over and

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honestly you know it doesn't it 
doesn't pass the test as far as 

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the what happened. 
We have three different stories 

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as far as a where it happened. 
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it seems odd that the Mexican 
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wouldn't have put up a fight 
about a couple of Yankees just, 

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you know, flying across the 
border and demanding to see it. 

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First UFO that doesn't pass the 
smell test and then when it 

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happened, that's a real problem 
because the date shift, between 

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45 different dates, all the way 
from December 1st 1955 this back

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to Spring a 55 back to nineteen 
or excuse me. 1948 crook 1957 

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have almost a 10 year range of 
dates in here and he keeps 

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changing the dates and then 
finally says, well I just don't 

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remember and then who had 
happened that gentleman's, you 

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know what he claimed to be and 
He actually was and sometimes in

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these cases, you see people's 
military credentials being 

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inflated. 
And if you've ever known, 

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anybody who's legitimately been 
in the military, it's it's 

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enough of all experience. 
It seems like it puts such an 

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impact on people that they 
pretty much remember exactly 

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where they're at. 
I mean I can talk to guys have 

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been the military 40 years ago 
and they'll remember the bases. 

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They rat exactly some time down 
to speak to Dates things 

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happened. 
I mean, there's, there's never 

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any doubt about, you know, where
they served at what dates, they 

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served here. 
I mean, just ask any even a 

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young military guy just asking, 
you know, where he was at a year

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ago or a year and a half ago or 
two years ago, they're going to 

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know you know where the push was
at where they served at. 

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And a lot of them are going to 
know the names of the guys they 

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served with or who their 
commanding officers were. 

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I mean this is just stuff that 
If it's legitimate military 

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record, there's never a question
about head. 

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I mean, it's it's something, you
know, it's an impactful thing 

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that happens to a person when 
they're in the military, that's 

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been my observation. 
So, I've never talked to a guy 

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in a military who couldn't 
remember where he was at during 

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a specific month or whatever 
week that he was in the military

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he knew, or here's a hat. 
The only time he may not have 

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known where he was at was it is 
is when he was on. 

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Eve, but if he was on duty, he 
can tell you exactly where he 

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was on duty and he can tell you 
what he was doing. 

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And I'm not seeing this with 
this account, unfortunately, mr.

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Gillingham claims to have been 
in the Texas Air Force Reserve, 

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but the only records that were 
discovered were from the 

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Pennsylvania. 
Civil Air Patrol. 

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It was flying an airplane, he 
wasn't more to, it was a skilled

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pilot apparently. 
But the, the memory just doesn't

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seem to match up with the 
records, and if there's 

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something out there, There that 
does that show something 

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different? 
I would love to tip here. 

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I have an open mind, but is it 
is unfortunately, from my 

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perspective, the Del Rio, UFO 
crash, does not pass the smell 

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test, and I'd have to say, as 
far as I'm concerned, it's not 

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real. 
That's all for today. 

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Eautiful warning over and out. 
There that does that show 

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something different? 
I would love to tip here. 

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I have an open mind, but is it 
is unfortunately, from my 

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perspective, the Del Rio, UFO 
crash, does not pass the smell 

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test, and I'd have to say, as 
far as I'm concerned, it's not 

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real. 
That's all for today. 

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Eautiful warning over and out.