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Hello, and welcome to the 
program. 

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You have a warning and this 
episode, we're looking at the 

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Strange Case of Joe symington, 
and the alien pancakes. 

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That's correct. 
Joe symington. 

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And the alien pancakes. 
I've got a couple articles 

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dealing with this three actually
the first one comes from Daily 

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Star, .co.uk dated February 16th
2021 by Joshua Smith title says 

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man, claims aliens gave him 
pancakes after UFO. 

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Ended in his back Garden chicken
farmer. 

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Joe symington said he was 
visited by aliens had his farm 

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in Eagle River. 
Wisconsin, not, they offered 

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him. 
A Parting, Gift of a stack of 

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four pancakes. 
Now, of course, this took place 

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back in 1961 as says, you may 
think pancakes are out of this 

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world but one man claims to have
been served up, the real deal, 

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chicken farmer, Joe symington 
claimed, he was visited by 

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aliens at around 11 a.m. on 
April, 18th, 1961, and that they

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served him some intergalactic. 
Pancakes, mr. 

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Simonton who was 60 at the time 
of the alleged encounter was 

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visited at his farm. 
In Eagle River, Wisconsin by an 

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object which he saw Landing in 
his garden. 

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Now, I just interject here real 
quickly that there are multiple 

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videos of interviews with mr. 
Simonton filmed and and mostly a

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radio Ray talks about what he 
saw and it seems like his story 

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didn't change to me. 
It's compelling it says mister 

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Assign Burton who was 60 at the 
time, the alleged encounter was 

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visited as forming an Eagle 
River. 

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Wisconsin by an object which he 
saw Landing in his garden. 

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He recalled hearing the sound of
knobby tires on wet pavement and

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went to go investigate. 
He saw metallic ufo-like object,

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when she described as appearing,
like to reversed bowls with 

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exhaust pipes on its Edge. 
Mr. Simonton said, the object 

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did not touch the ground and 
that after he opened a and After

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he opened a gate on its side, he
was met with three aliens. 

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Who had a height of about 5 feet
and wear black or navy blue 

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clothing with turtleneck shirts 
and helmets. 

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Now, in the interview, he speaks
about these as being hats, 

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actually very form-fitting that 
looked like something that you 

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would wear under a helmet as far
as that what they described as 

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helmets here. 
He says, Simonton told the Press

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at the time that the crew seemed
to be of Italian descent and 

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about 25 or 30 years old. 
One of the occupants gave the 

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witness of metallic jar with two
handles indicating with gestures

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that he needed water for 
drinking, holding the jar to his

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mouth, as a good house, Simonton
agreed to put their great to the

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request and went to his house, 
to fill a water jug, which he 

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recalled is weighing a bit more 
than aluminum. 

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An Air Force report of the 
incident States looking into the

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saucer e. 
He saw a man cooking on some 

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kind of flameless cooking. 
Appliance the shaft who had red 

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stripes on the pants gave 
Simonton for hot cookies of 

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about seven and a half 
centimeters in diameter. 

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Now these things look like I 
think he described him as being 

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two inches by three inches, you 
can see pictures of them. 

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There's a picture of one here on
this article from The Daily 

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Star. 
And it looks like it, they 

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described his pancakes but they 
look really really thin almost 

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like little miniature waffles 
that they have, you know, 

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they're they have their their 
pattern with checkered. 

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You know, little holes in them 
and they actually don't look too

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appetizing. 
He says and like and like 

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pancakes themselves, evidence to
accept astronomer J Allen hynek 

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was dispatched by the US. 
Air Force to investigate 

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following the incident. 
And says he took one of the 

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pancakes away for government 
analysis at the Air Force, 

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technical Intelligence Center. 
They found them to be made of 

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flour, sugar, and Greece, and 
the book in a book, which the 

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investor, which investigates in 
shouldn't call the W files. 

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True reports of Wisconsin has 
unexplained phenomena by J 

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wrath. 
He author writes, it was 

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rumored. 
However, that the wheat and the 

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pancakes was of an unknown type 
dr. 

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Hynek wrote in his report, 
there's no question that 

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mistress. 
I might've felt that his contact

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had been a real experience, the 
official Air Force, verdict of 

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the Simonton pancake incident. 
Labeled it as unexplained, which

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says, a lot for those guys 
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explain everything was some sort
of Quite frankly off and 

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ridiculous explanation. 
Now, here's another article, 

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this is called Cult of the weird
Cult of the weird.com title is 

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Joe symington and the UFO 
pancakes that time that time, 

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Aliens trip, excuse me, serve 
breakfast in rural Wisconsin and

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says aliens come to Wisconsin, 
1961 and served Eagle River 

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resident Jo symington, some 
bizarre, extraterrestrial 

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pancakes. 
And it's got a couple different 

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pictures here, mr. 
Simonson was Sam. 

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Most of these pancakes. 
There is no story of The 

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Unexplained more bizarre more 
outlandish from or Wisconsin 

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than the one. 
I'm about to relate to you. 

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The author says at 11 a.m. on 
April 18th. 1961, Joe symington 

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was sitting in his rule Eagle 
River, home, enjoying a late 

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breakfast, when he heard a 
commotion outside, when he 

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investigated, he witnessed a 
flying saucer brighter than 

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Chrome, hovering above his 
house, the craft, he eventually 

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landed in his backyard, the 
saucer opened up. 

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Sitting inside were three, mute.
Aliens was Joe described as 

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italian-looking. 
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The author says that the sauce 
for opened up, and that's what 

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that's what mr. 
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that I heard him, he didn't say 
anything about opening a gate on

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the side of the craft. 
He said just opened up. 

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He described his thing as being 
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connected together seamless, and
they just opened up and that's 

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what is reported here in this 
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I think maybe they didn't maybe 
they've done a little better job

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of accurately reporting. 
What Happened says, Joe is given

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a larger context, was given a 
large container and somehow 

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discerned. 
These strange creatures wandered

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water. 
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the guy was making Motions like 
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so you know he had assumed it 
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he returned and I think he said 
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Got the water, I'm not sure he 
but he went back to the house no

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matter what he says. 
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one of the aliens was cooking 
pancakes on a flameless cooking.

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Appliance the creatures gave 
Joe, the pancakes saluted, him 

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and flew away South into Legend,
despite the incredible even 

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silly details of the story. 
It was investigated by the 

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United States Army, United 
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in their files as unexplained if
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Joe tried one of the pancakes 
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cardboard, he gave you the other
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ufologists, I'm not certain what
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culinary. 
It is, somebody might ask Tom 

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DeLonge, maybe he has a Joe 
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Peyton, here's another picture 
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burnt in the one picture and 
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couple inches wide, maybe three 
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Looking looks more like a 
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the beach somewhere. 
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shortly following this incident,
several more sightings occurred 

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in the entire ordeal is covered 
in the Great Entertaining, 

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detail and j.r. 
S Book. 

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The why files now, there's one 
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I want to look at here that I 
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interesting. 
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more clarity on this thing. 
Don't forget it was in 1966. 

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Five years later, they had the 
multiple sightings across 

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Michigan. 
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Also there was a lot of activity
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time. 
Now this here is from UFO 

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Wisconsin.com. 
The art, it says, date April, 

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18th, 1961 11 a.m. location 
Eagle, River, County Vilas 

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Source. 
The I know the magana compiled 

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by shock valet and published in 
his book passport to magana 

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database entry 517. 
Well, you don't do much better 

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and Rockville. 
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incident. 
J Simonton heard a whining sound

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and saw an object 10 meters, in 
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meters high 12-foot. 
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With exhaust pipes around the 
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A door was open and a man 
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You were a black turtleneck. 
Pull over what the white 

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turtleneck belt. 
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describes his belt as being like
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He thought maybe and black 
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Band along the side. 
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the object. 
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returned it to the man who gave 
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And the craft took off night. 
Brit somewhere else, said it was

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for, they also say here that 
this same made a whining sound, 

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which I believe is what he said 
in the interview that I listen 

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to. 
You'll remember that the other 

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author reported it as being 
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It's funny how things just get 
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to go the valets. 
You know, report on it because 

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he's done so much good work. 
Wisconsin's strange, his Close 

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Encounter of the Third Kind 
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during which Joe symington was 
given three pancakes by 

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italian-looking aliens Close. 
Encounter of the Third Kind is 

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an actual meeting between humans
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And simultaneous is easily the 
state's best known despite the 

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unlikely matter in which the 
story unfolded, the episode 

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survived at rigorous assessment 
by the US Air Force and is 

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carried and their files is 
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was a plumber, auctioneering 
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Eagle River. 
Chamber of Commerce. 

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He reported his ages, 55 or 60. 
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the interview at 11 a.m. 
April 18th. 

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Simonton was having a late 
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When he heard a sound like that 
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something like the sound of 
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That's a quote from him. 
He went into the yard and saw a 

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flying saucer. 
Sir drop out of the sky and 

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hover over his farm. 
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Chrome 12 feet in height than 30
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We're what appeared to be 
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inches in diameter. 
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exhaust pipes. 
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from him, the disk landed and a 
hatch opened inside were three, 

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dark-skinned aliens each about 
five foot tall and weighing 

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about 125 pounds. 
I think he said 120 in the 

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interview. 
I was listening to, they 

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appeared to be between 25 and 30
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dark blue or black knit uniforms
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And I'm like caps. 
They were clean. 

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Shaven, Simonton said and 
italian-looking. 

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The aliens did not speak in his 
presence but they had a silver 

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jug with two handles heavier 
than aluminum but lighter the 

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steel about a foot high. 
It seemed to be made out of the 

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same material as the craft Simon
has said, it was a beautiful 

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thing. 
A thermos jug like bottle, quite

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unlike any jog I've ever seen 
before here on Earth through ESP

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or something. 
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Got the idea to the aliens 
wanted water. 

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He left the visitors. 
Filled The Jug from the water 

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pump in his basement, then 
returned to the craft and gave 

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the jug back to do this, he had 
to brace himself against the 

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UFOs Hall and stretch up from 
the subsequent Air Force report.

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Looking into the saucer. 
He saw a man cooking on some 

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kind of a flameless cooking. 
Appliance, the alien Was 

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preparing his pancakes. 
Now, that's a much better 

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description than we had in both 
the other articles. 

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I mean, I mean, valet just draws
a word picture for us right 

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there. 
He describes how he had. 

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He says, he had to brace himself
against the UFOs Hall and 

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stretch up. 
So he's richness, drugged up 

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into the craft. 
From the subsequent. 

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You have over Port. 
Looking into the saucer, he saw 

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a man cooking on some kind of 
flameless cooking. 

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Appliance, the alien Was 
preparing pancakes, the interior

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of the UFO was dull black, even 
the three Namely beautiful 

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instrument panels. 
Even the three extremely 

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beautiful instrument instrument 
panels and had the appearance of

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wrought iron. 
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dull, black, even the extremely 
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that's weird. 
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dull black but their parents are
wrought. 

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Iron but he describes them as 
extremely beautiful, the 

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contrast between the dark 
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so fascinated Simonton that he 
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have a room painted in the same 
way man. 

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You wonder if if he wasn't under
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this point where they were just 
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process with these positive 
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I'm not sure how you would, how 
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panels that were this drab dull 
black caller with the appearance

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of wrought iron how that how 
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them as extremely beautiful. 
It does seem to me like he was 

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under some sort of Mind Control 
at this point. 

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As says, in return for the 
water. 

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One of the aliens, the only one 
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No red trim on his trousers 
presented, Simonton with three 

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of the pancakes hot from The 
Griddle as he did. 

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So, the alien touched his own 
forehead. 

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Apparently, a salute to Simonton
for his help. 

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Simonton saluted back. 
Each of the pancakes was roughly

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3 inches, in diameter, and 
perforated with small holes. 

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Of course, you can see pictures 
of those pancakes. 

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The head alien then contacted 
then connected. 

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A line were built to a hook in 
his clothing and the hatch 

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closed. 
The saucer Rose about 20 feet 

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and took off to the south at a 
45 degree. 

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Angle its wake left, a blast 
have are that toss the trops 

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that toss the tops of nearby 
pine trees? 

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The craft took only 2 seconds to
disappear from view. 

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This thing's really traveling at
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it says, Simonton 81 of the 
pancakes. 

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Essentially in the interest of 
science, it tasted like 

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cardboard, he told the 
Associated Press, the other two 

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pancakes, he gave to Vilas 
County, Judge Frank Carter. 

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A local UFO enthusiasts Carter 
who called the aliens saucer 

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knots. 
I prefer Italians said he 

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believes Simonton story since he
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which the farmer might profit 
from a hoax. 

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Carter son. 
Courland told a lawyer in Eagle 

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River told He's a lawyer in 
Eagle River. 

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I recall as a youngster that my 
dad took it very seriously judge

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Carter sent the pancakes to what
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investigative group, The 
National investigations 

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committee on aerial phenomena. 
It's in, I see AP. 

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They refused opportunity to 
check it out. 

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That put a damper on Judge 
Carter is plans. 

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He had one end to hold a seminar
on the incident. 

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By this time symington said he 
was hurt by reporters, making 

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fun of the situation laughing 
and response to all this Air 

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Force to spec to civilian UFO 
investigator, J Allen hynek. 

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Hynek at the time, was an 
astronomer at Northwestern 

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University. 
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UFOs are real and founded his 
own investigative agency which 

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took over nightcaps files. 
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to hynek a Northwestern 
University committee and the Air

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Force's, technical Intelligence 
Center. 

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Analyzed one assignment is 
pancakes and I've found it to be

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made of flour sugar and grease, 
it was rumored, however, that 

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what was in the pancakes was of 
unknown type. 

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Well, the problem I have with 
this is that if, this judge, 

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Carter had sent these often, I 
cap and then apparently, they 

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sent him back to him and refused
to test them. 

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How do we know we got the 
original ones back? 

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Really, you have a, you have a 
broken chain of custody. 

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The official Air Force 
assessment of it? 

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All says, this case is 
unexplained quote. 

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The only serious flaw in the 
story is The Disappearance of 

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The Craft and two seconds. 
The rest of the story did not 

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contain any outrageous to 
physical Concepts reads, report,

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really a craft just hovering 
over your house and quietly 

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Landing in your backyard and 
people attempting to communicate

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with you telepathically. 
That's normal. 

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Wow, I guess I didn't know that.
Simon answered questions 

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directly, did not contradict 
himself insisted on the facts 

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being exactly as he stated and 
refused to accept embellishments

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for modifications. 
He stated, he was sure that we 

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wouldn't believe him, but he 
didn't care. 

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Whether he was believed he 
stated simply that his that this

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happened and that was that the 
private Air Force response was 

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Unearthed. 
After a little detective work, 

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it comes from a UFO handbook for
Air Force personnel written by 

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Lloyd Malin and issued in a 
popular addition of and 

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mechanics. 
And the book bound refers to JS.

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A highly regarded much respected
citizen of Eagle River. 

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Wisconsin, small, rural 
community noted for its 

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attractiveness to tourist, it 
goes on. 

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And says, One Air Force 
investigator. 

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Going to melon said that 
Simonton appear quite sincere to

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me. 
It did not appear to be the 

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perpetrator of a hoax, but add 
an Air Force Aeronautical 

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Systems division psychiatrist 
believe that Simonton had 

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suffered, a loose Nations and 
subsequent delusion. 

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There are technical Intelligence
Center investigators, had cases 

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of this type could be interest 
to the mental health of the 

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individual. 
If he became upset due to the 

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experience, it was pointed out 
that experiences, this type 

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hallucinations followed by 
delusion are not at all uncommon

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especially in rural communities.
Yes, I suppose. 

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That's because we're all the 
delusional people live at, 

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right? 
At least to the city Folk and 

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says, additionally according to 
Malin the Air Force, took to 

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heart and unsubstantiated 
rumors, circulate about one 

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circulated by among others. 
Raymond Palmer, a publisher of 

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Pulp Flying Saucer and science 
fiction magazines. 

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Palmer reported the Air Force, 
his belief that Simonton had 

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been hypnotized by an Eagle 
River. 

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Real estate broker and was fed 
to Pancake story so that he 

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would repeat it and appeared. 
Truthful. 

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The motivation for this was 
economic for the purpose of a 

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miniature Disneyland. 
That Israel was being built in 

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the area. 
Yeah. 

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I don't think that ever happened
to understand how incredible the

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rumor was. 
It is useful to look at the 

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credibility of Palmer himself. 
One of his favorite theories was

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that flying saucers came from a 
secret Hollow Earth 

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civilization, ruled by a race 
called detrimental robots which 

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he abbreviated as deras. 
According to Palmer the Arras 

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manipulated Humanity, blah blah,
blah. 

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This just goes to show that you 
had a credible report of the UFO

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alien Encounter and you have 
government agents going to the 

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extreme. 
Extreme means of quoting a 

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science fiction writer who seems
to be a little bit detached from

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reality himself. 
Now it concludes here is says 

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but based on such sound evidence
are technically quote-unquote, 

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the technical Intelligence 
Center which headquarter the Air

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Force UFO investigation, let the
matter drop publicly. 

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It was a mystery, the class of 
the classified reason, rebuild 

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them Allen was that the Air 
Force would not pursue. 

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Matter due to the possibility of
causing Simonton and 

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embarrassment which might prove 
dangerous to his health. 

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Yeah, they'd been really. 
They've been very careful about 

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not embarrassing people. 
We saw that happen, five years 

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later, and the Dexter Michigan 
UFO case with Frank mannor. 

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And when they labeled labeled 
him, when they imply that he 

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wasn't smart enough to recognize
swamp gas when he saw it and he 

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describes how he Was more or 
less just terrorized by the 

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community humiliated, and people
broke broke out, the, his car 

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window. 
I mean, just a lot of nonsense, 

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so it, it kind of doesn't 
conform to reality to think that

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these people really concerned 
about the mental health of a 

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witness that's that their 
behavior in the past really 

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doesn't go along with that too 
good. 

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And then it finishes up here 
says this for assignment himself

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in the end, he was left with a 
bitter taste in his mouth and it

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wasn't it. 
Um the pancakes and quote, I 

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haven't been able to work for 
three weeks. 

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He told the United Press 
International, I'm going to have

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to start making some money. 
He said, the next time he saw a 

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flying saucer he would keep it 
to himself. 

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And then it says he lied in 
1970s. 

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I'm Tim was visibly. 
Alexander UFO enthusiasts active

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in detroit-based. 
Investigative group Simonton 

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told Alexandra that he had had 
more visits from the aliens but 

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he had not told anyone. 
Because of the way his first 

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report had been received and 
that is all we know. 

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Okay. 
They're saying he lied because 

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that's a little miss lady. 
He said that if you had another 

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experience he wouldn't talk 
about it but he did. 

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Talk about it. 
Well, I wouldn't say that's 

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lying. 
I would say he changed his mind.

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I think that would be a much 
better way to put that, I would 

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say. 
He changed his mind in 1970, 

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Simonton was visited by Lee 
Alexander a UFO and through 

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Susie assist active in a Detroit
base investigative group. 

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Simonton told Alexander that he 
had had more visits from the 

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aliens, but he had not told 
anyone because of the ways, 

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first report had been received. 
Well, you can't hardly blame the

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guy for that and for people to 
get repeat business. 

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From these things that's nothing
out of the ordinary, what a 

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strange case. 
So and makes you feel sorry for 

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the old guy. 
I mean you can imagine what he 

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had to go through and they're 
really cool but he had to put up

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with, you know, and that small 
community that he lived in. 

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I almost feel like there's 
something more to the story with

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Alan hynek leaving this thing 
listed as unsolved. 

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Because, you know, we know the 
history of the Air Force, had a 

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solving cases where they had to 
call on Swamp gas, or Venus or 

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whatever they had to do. 
This one, they just couldn't 

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quite do anything with. 
Until next time, this is UFO 

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morning over. 
Now, This one, they just 

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couldn't quite do anything with.
Until next time, this is UFO 

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morning over. 
Now,