1 00:00:03,100 --> 00:00:05,500 Hello and welcome to the program, you have a warning and 2 00:00:05,500 --> 00:00:08,200 this episode, we're going to take a look at an interview with 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,400 the late Budd Hopkins course, but Hawkins was that legend in 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,000 the UFO field. He passed away here. 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,900 August 21st 2011, But if we look at Wikipedia, we find out that 6 00:00:18,900 --> 00:00:23,600 Bub was born, Elliot Budd Hopkins, June 15th, 1931 and was 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,600 raised in Wheeling. West Virginia, says he developed 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,400 polio as a child recover from that. 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,299 Develop an interest in art, went to school to Oberlin College. 10 00:00:32,299 --> 00:00:34,100 Sounds like he had a pretty good career in the art. 11 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:37,800 Field actually says his experiment with the collage 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,000 techniques and styles and abstract expressionist. 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,200 And one him National claim Hopkins, first solo show was 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,500 held in New York City in 1956 the same year. 15 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:49,000 He married, his first wife for 13, Joan Rich, we find out in 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,600 1976 Hopson was awarded, a Guggenheim Fellowship does on 17 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,100 tells us that after the publication Of his book missing 18 00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:02,200 time and 1981. Hopkins became known much as 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,500 much for his UFO. Abduction, research is for his 20 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:06,800 art. So this kind of shows us how 21 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,100 sometimes a person's life is going in One Direction and then 22 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:12,000 maybe it veers off in another here but hot because was a 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,500 successful artist but it interest in UFOs. 24 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,800 He writes a book about it and his life is often a completely 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,200 different direction. It's just fascinating, if you 26 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,700 look in the buzz life, Because as a self-described humanist, 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,300 option saw his work with alleged alien abduction, victims as a 28 00:01:29,300 --> 00:01:32,000 way to bring attention to it. Otherwise, marginalized part of 29 00:01:32,008 --> 00:01:35,600 society as follow-up book. Intruders the incredible 30 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,000 visitation at copeley. Woods published in 1987 helped 31 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,100 establish Hopkins as a prominent researcher and UFO in the UFO 32 00:01:43,100 --> 00:01:46,900 Movement. By 1973 Hopkins, was married to 33 00:01:46,900 --> 00:01:49,600 art critic or destroyed and curator April Kingsley. 34 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:50,900 With whom. He had a daughter, Grace 35 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:56,700 Hopkins, their marriage ended in divorce in 91 in 1990, the 1992 36 00:01:56,700 --> 00:01:59,200 made-for-television film Intruders creature. 37 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,900 Fictionalized characters based on the works of Hopkins and 38 00:02:01,900 --> 00:02:06,600 psychiatrist Johnny Mac Johnny Mac is another just legend in 39 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,500 the UFO field and like Hopkins book of the same name. 40 00:02:10,900 --> 00:02:14,400 Rotate portrayed adduction scenes in 1994 Hopkins. 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,300 Met writer filmmaker Carol Rainey who became his third 42 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:20,600 wife, in 1996. They shared a mutual fascination 43 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,400 with alien abduction stories in a quarry draining the pasta. 44 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,500 Building the people on Earth may have been seated here by highly 45 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:29,600 Advanced beings or a big big from out. 46 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,800 Their quote unquote, the to co-wrote a book sight, unseen 47 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,300 science, UFO and visibility, it's transgenics beings which 48 00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:39,900 was published in 2003 they were married for 10 years. 49 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:44,900 Also, in 1996, Hopkins book witnessed the story of the 50 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:47,300 Brooklyn Bridge. UFO Abduction was published the 51 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:49,100 book. Portrayed, in abduction case, 52 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,800 that was alleged to have occurred late. 1989, the other 53 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:57,100 Brooklyn Bridge in New York City. 19 and August 21st, 2011, 54 00:02:57,100 --> 00:02:59,400 Hawkins died of complications from cancer, the time of his 55 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,200 death. He was, he was in a relationship 56 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,400 with journalists Leslie Kean, so, but Hawkins had a, he had a 57 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,400 full life, but his main contribution to the UFO 58 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:10,900 Community, was all these books that you wrote. 59 00:03:11,100 --> 00:03:14,200 And this really non-judgmental approach. 60 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:16,500 That mr. Hopkins took, when he 61 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:20,700 interviewed people, that claim to have been abducted, you know, 62 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:25,000 before the before Bud came along most of these People who would 63 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,700 have been, who would have claimed have had encounters 64 00:03:27,700 --> 00:03:30,700 abductions, would have just been written written off. 65 00:03:30,700 --> 00:03:33,600 Is seriously mentally ill people, marginalized, from 66 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:38,700 society, made fun of not to say that that might not be the case 67 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,600 in every single case. But but just entertain the 68 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,300 possibility that what if these people are just normal mentally 69 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:49,500 healthy people and this did happen. 70 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:52,300 So he just refresh it in a very non-judgmental way and I think 71 00:03:52,300 --> 00:03:56,100 that's so important when Look at the subject is to try to be 72 00:03:56,100 --> 00:03:59,200 non-judgmental about it as much as possible, and then once we 73 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,000 get the facts and we can start to flesh out an opinion. 74 00:04:02,900 --> 00:04:08,300 Now, the interview comes from PBS knife out of here, on 75 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:14,600 pbs.org, it says, Nova online. Kidnapped by UFOs is a title 76 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,399 written by a, it says, the Linda Case, excerpts from interview 77 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:20,600 with Budd. Hopkins is cases. 78 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,900 People, who believe they have been abducted by aliens first. 79 00:04:23,900 --> 00:04:27,100 It starts off with the Linda Case it says Hopkins. 80 00:04:27,100 --> 00:04:31,000 The best says the best case I ever worked with, and it's 81 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,400 extraordinary important. And it's the subject of the book 82 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,400 that I'm working on right now. It involves a woman who was 83 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,700 abducted, who I had worked with. Before this experience, she was 84 00:04:40,700 --> 00:04:45,200 abducted from a 12-4 apartment. In Manhattan, floated out the 85 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,000 window. And in this case the UFO 86 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,700 occupants wanted this to be seen for various complicated reasons. 87 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,000 So therefore it was not mass or hidden or what not, even though 88 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,800 it was 3:00 in the morning. This woman was witnessed 89 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:03,800 floating with the three aliens below the UFO. 12 stories up by 90 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,700 a number of different people who I have heard from. 91 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,600 One of the people who I interviewed at Great length 92 00:05:10,100 --> 00:05:13,200 described. Her absolute Terror when You saw 93 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,600 this site from the Brooklyn Bridge. 94 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,100 Her first attempt to explain it to herself. 95 00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:20,200 This can't happen. Was somebody must be making a 96 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,400 movie. This must be a movie that 97 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,600 because this is impossible, yet, I'm looking at it. 98 00:05:25,100 --> 00:05:27,700 There were other people on their bridge to also terrified. 99 00:05:28,300 --> 00:05:32,900 There are people floating in the air as they described it, people 100 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:35,500 on the ground, contacted me. They still have not one of their 101 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:38,900 names use, they have not wanted to talk to me personally for 102 00:05:38,900 --> 00:05:41,900 various reasons, but described exactly the same thing. 103 00:05:42,700 --> 00:05:45,400 I've got matching sets of drawings of what everyone saw 104 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,200 from their experience. Another woman have dealt with 105 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,900 that lengths, all the UFO, right next to the building from which 106 00:05:50,900 --> 00:05:53,600 this woman was floated out. She said it was enormous. 107 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,700 And at that point, somehow, her car stopped and their memories 108 00:05:57,700 --> 00:06:02,500 are very unclear from that point on as if I sum as if somehow or 109 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:05,200 other as if off, as if often happens. 110 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,100 In these cases, there was some kind of effect, electromagnetic 111 00:06:09,100 --> 00:06:11,700 effect, or whatever. We don't know what to call it, 112 00:06:11,700 --> 00:06:15,300 which stop. Par and their and their memories 113 00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:18,300 only went up to the point of saying that you have to go right 114 00:06:18,300 --> 00:06:21,800 directly next to the building before the people flooded out. 115 00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:25,400 I have another witness at the another location here. 116 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,800 We have eyewitnesses to people doing an impossible, thing, 117 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,300 floating 12 stories up in a beam of light. 118 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,700 There's much much more of the testimony connect with this sum, 119 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:36,000 which, I'm not at Liberty to present right now. 120 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,000 Now, I've actually done a podcast on this. 121 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,100 We push you go back and look at it. 122 00:06:40,108 --> 00:06:42,000 I think it was called Manhattan Transfer. 123 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,100 Lady says she was just levitated out of her bed. 124 00:06:45,300 --> 00:06:50,000 Floated through and window up into this UFO and I'd have to go 125 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,400 back. I can't swear to this, but it 126 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,400 seems like there might have been an unnamed. 127 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:58,800 You an unnamed un employee down the street that actually 128 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,200 Witnesses. But but then didn't come 129 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,500 forward, I can't remember. But they're, this was a mass 130 00:07:03,500 --> 00:07:06,600 sighting. And this the Scout was actually 131 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,400 flowing out of her apartment Window up into this UFO. 132 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,600 Just Levitating there in the sky. 133 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,600 It's a strange guys. I think that was back in the 134 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,700 early 70s Manhattan Transfer. The second one says Budd 135 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:23,200 Hopkins. First case, Hopkins says, when I 136 00:07:23,208 --> 00:07:26,600 had looked into the very first case that I investigated which 137 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,600 is back in 1975, having you do with a landing, that was 138 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,500 observed by a man. I knew in New Jersey The little 139 00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:38,600 figures out, digging soil, samples, Etc, and I checked into 140 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,600 the apartment building that faced this park, where the 141 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,700 landing took place. It took me weeks to try to run 142 00:07:43,700 --> 00:07:45,300 down a man. He was probably the night 143 00:07:45,300 --> 00:07:48,400 doorman at the time of this Landing case and when I finally 144 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,200 got him on the phone and I asked a very loaded question. 145 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,900 Do you remember anything unusual happening in the park around 146 00:07:54,900 --> 00:07:57,900 January of this year? And the man sitting in the man 147 00:07:57,900 --> 00:08:00,300 said to me I certainly do I'll never forget it. 148 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:03,700 This UFO came down landed in the park. 149 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:08,100 It scared me half to death and as you started to describe it, I 150 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:10,000 started to get chills because something in me. 151 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,800 Even at that date, after, I'd had a siding years before, did 152 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,000 not want to accept that this could have really, really 153 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,500 happened. You know, I'm reading this that 154 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:23,600 I'm saying maybe maybe that first sighting that that but it 155 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,900 had years before even though he was an artist at the time, set 156 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:30,900 him on this path of investigating UFOs and 157 00:08:30,900 --> 00:08:34,500 specifically interviewing and talking to people who had had 158 00:08:34,500 --> 00:08:37,700 Encounters in abductions. Sometimes it can really have an 159 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:42,200 effect on a person even if, even if it's subconscious this is a 160 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,500 letter to but Hopkins, Hopkins says here's a letter to a woman, 161 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:48,000 a letter, a woman writing about her child. 162 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,100 She was so. CERN, her daughter is three 163 00:08:50,100 --> 00:08:53,000 years old when she was putting her daughter to bed, the little 164 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,800 girl, cried and cried and said, I want to hide. 165 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,500 And the woman asked why, and she said, I'm hiding because the 166 00:08:59,500 --> 00:09:02,300 little people are going to get me this way. 167 00:09:02,300 --> 00:09:04,600 Frighten the mother, and she said, what happened with the 168 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,800 little people, the mother wrote, she told me, they come into her 169 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,000 room and take her outside. They have big eyes and that she 170 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,400 went up into the sky with them. With the man, I ask what 171 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,700 happened up there and she said, they took me to see the doctor 172 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,300 the next day. She saw a television program. 173 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,800 Her mother was sitting there a cover of a book about abductions 174 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,000 with a face of an alien. The little girl, jumped her 175 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,500 knees pointing at the TV shouting. 176 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:30,500 That's them. Mommy, the people she covered 177 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:32,100 her eyes and said, I'm scared mommy. 178 00:09:32,300 --> 00:09:37,500 I've never seen such fear in the cold before within that, same 179 00:09:37,500 --> 00:09:40,700 week, she Drew many faces with only very large, dark eyes. 180 00:09:40,700 --> 00:09:44,800 I also noticed at the time was undressing her three tiny raised 181 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:48,700 pin like marching to her navel and the same under her left. 182 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:52,300 Nostril, that same day. She also had a pretty bad nose 183 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:55,100 blade. Quote since this all occurred 184 00:09:55,100 --> 00:09:57,900 every now and then, she mentions other things such as they take 185 00:09:57,900 --> 00:09:59,700 my Jamie's off, they hurt me excetera. 186 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,300 I realize you receive many letters of this kind, some of 187 00:10:04,300 --> 00:10:07,500 which are funny, but believe me, this is not made up. 188 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:10,600 If this is all really happy to my little girl, please give me 189 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,300 some advice as to how to help her and deal with these 190 00:10:13,300 --> 00:10:15,800 visitations. I know you're a very busy, man. 191 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,200 But please, perhaps a short response to my letter. 192 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,200 May ease my anxiety a little mr. Hopkins. 193 00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:25,100 Could this really be true? Thank you, sincerely. 194 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,600 There's no way that one can read these letters without responding 195 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,600 and idea that someone like that is made something like that is 196 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,100 made up by a publicity Seeker. Or whatever is Skeptics like to 197 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:37,300 say, it's just absolutely absurd. 198 00:10:37,300 --> 00:10:40,500 I have worked with some of these people afterwards, refer them to 199 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:43,600 other investigators, and I think we've brought some relief for 200 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,900 them and helping them explore where they happen in their 201 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:49,000 lives. Now, when you read a case like 202 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,100 this and bought this little child being abducted, Being 203 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:59,400 assaulted and being traumatized. It's hard for me to accept the 204 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,400 fact that is dr. Grills. 205 00:11:02,500 --> 00:11:04,100 And dr. Greer and so many others. 206 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,800 Espouse that these aliens are. All good guys that they're all 207 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,100 here to help us that they couldn't possibly. 208 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,700 They couldn't possibly be bad because they've come so far. 209 00:11:15,100 --> 00:11:19,000 I don't see anything but pure evil and those actions to abduct 210 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,000 a little girl like that. And to do, who knows what? 211 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:27,300 Sammy this mother was looking for relief but she was so caught 212 00:11:27,300 --> 00:11:29,300 up in the narrative that's been given to us. 213 00:11:29,300 --> 00:11:31,700 That she couldn't accept the possibility that our little girl 214 00:11:31,700 --> 00:11:36,000 was 100% correct situation like this. 215 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,900 It's a zero-sum game either. The little girls telling the 216 00:11:38,900 --> 00:11:41,000 truth. She's been, she's being abducted 217 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,000 and she's being terrorized. Or she's not telling the truth, 218 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:48,700 in which case she could, she could be suffering from a 219 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:52,700 serious mental illness, and she needs treatment either way this, 220 00:11:52,700 --> 00:11:56,000 this kid needs help. And for the mom to just say, 221 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,700 well, I hope it's not true, and then to leave the kid alone in 222 00:11:59,700 --> 00:12:04,900 the bedroom at night. It's tough because at that 223 00:12:04,900 --> 00:12:08,700 point, the parent has to, I think face reality and say, 224 00:12:08,700 --> 00:12:11,100 well, you know, maybe we need to put a lock on the door or 225 00:12:11,100 --> 00:12:12,700 something. I don't know if we need to talk 226 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:15,700 to somebody, it almost sounds like you need an exorcism goes 227 00:12:15,700 --> 00:12:18,900 on and says Hopkins. I was working with the man once 228 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:22,200 who was a lieutenant in the Army at the time of the incident, big 229 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,700 tall, man, and Irish man, pretty Macho, had a young wife, and a 230 00:12:26,708 --> 00:12:29,000 little baby. He told me that when he was 231 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,500 taken into the craft put on the table, Paralyzed terrified could 232 00:12:33,500 --> 00:12:38,200 move he resolved that when he was going to get off the table, 233 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,900 he was going to make a break for it, whatever. 234 00:12:41,900 --> 00:12:44,800 However, he thought he was going, he was he thought that 235 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,200 was going to work. And he said that he was lifted 236 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,800 up after this physical examination, which was 237 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,700 humiliating his feet went down to the floor and he said, but I 238 00:12:55,700 --> 00:12:58,100 just stood there, I didn't move, I didn't do anything. 239 00:12:58,100 --> 00:13:00,600 I just couldn't do anything. And this little finger kept 240 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,600 coming along and he's long, gray fingers reached out and took him 241 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,100 by the wrist and he said, he's just gently took me by the wrist 242 00:13:08,100 --> 00:13:11,500 and I went with him and he said, you know, I was the giant in 243 00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:15,800 that room but I was the baby and it was so difficult for this man 244 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:19,700 with all this military And his Irish background in his youth to 245 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:23,900 admit that he could be that easily manipulated mood. 246 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,500 And if you think of that, as an example of what might lie ahead 247 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:32,700 for society in a certain sense, it's a pretty Grim future. 248 00:13:34,300 --> 00:13:38,800 That is a very realistic. Look at alien abduction 249 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,600 phenomenon. Instead of instead of our 250 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,600 government, trying to hide this stuff, trying to secret away, 251 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,100 secret it away denying people. What's going on? 252 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:56,300 They need to be putting the information out there if that's 253 00:13:56,300 --> 00:13:59,600 the case, if we're dealing with entities that are so Advanced. 254 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,200 That the fact that they're half our Size Doesn't Matter, Didn't 255 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,100 we need to resist this in a different way? 256 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:16,700 Now, some, some, some people people from what la LOL azula's 257 00:14:16,900 --> 00:14:18,600 I can't give you anymore Dan quell. 258 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,400 These guys think this is a spiritual deal and at this point 259 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:27,200 we have to try something. If you can't physically 260 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,500 extricate, extricate yourself from the situation? 261 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,200 What does a person do when they've been taken against their 262 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,100 will upon into one of these ships? 263 00:14:36,100 --> 00:14:40,400 And they've been, you know, physically assaulted, I think, I 264 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,900 think the situation here is to do something before that 265 00:14:43,900 --> 00:14:46,200 happens. Because Lana says the Long 266 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,000 Island case, Hopkins in another case Poppins and another case on 267 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,200 Long Island, a woman who I've worked with had remembered 268 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,700 waking up. And there was a range of 269 00:14:55,700 --> 00:14:58,700 physical phenomena which she described I think she was 270 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:01,600 paralyzed at one point her son in the morning. 271 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,700 I described these figures coming into the room. 272 00:15:04,700 --> 00:15:08,200 He was enormously, he was enormously terrified. 273 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,500 The woman remembered walking downstairs in the middle of the 274 00:15:11,500 --> 00:15:15,300 night, and she does remember coming back up, she found 275 00:15:15,300 --> 00:15:17,400 herself in bed. There was a lot of confusion, 276 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,000 but in the middle of all this, the neighbors called to say, 277 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,400 what is that thing in your yard with all the lights on it. 278 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,800 So you have witnesses who happened to look out the window 279 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,100 and see the UFO on this person's property. 280 00:15:29,900 --> 00:15:32,900 Well, you have these cases like this again and again, to either 281 00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:34,400 this happened, the way it happened. 282 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,000 Or again, you have some kind of elaborate elective hoax, 283 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,700 including people's children, there's no motive for this. 284 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:45,000 I think the evidence is just again and again, totally 285 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,800 persuasive. These cases never blow up in 286 00:15:47,808 --> 00:15:51,400 your face and suddenly, oh, we found out that soil. 287 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,900 So was a crook and they were doing this and that and it 288 00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:57,100 doesn't happen. The material will stands all 289 00:15:57,100 --> 00:16:01,300 kind of scrutiny and in as a matter of fact, the more you 290 00:16:01,300 --> 00:16:04,400 look into it the more evidence comes together. 291 00:16:04,500 --> 00:16:08,100 And to support them. I would have to agree with that. 292 00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:12,200 100%, the more you look into these cases, the ones that have 293 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,300 stood, the test of time that they've stood the test of the 294 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:17,400 debunkers, and the doubters, and everybody else. 295 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,500 The over arching theme that I see. 296 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:28,400 And as is some sort of advanced entity which looks at humans. 297 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,400 As if their Lab Rats, barges into people's houses, takes them 298 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,200 against their will. Traumatize children assaults? 299 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,000 People does all kinds of terrible things but for one, for 300 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,900 whatever reasons it seems like the vast majority of the time, 301 00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:46,000 it has to return these people to work, found them. 302 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,500 It's almost like it's working within the confines of some 303 00:16:49,500 --> 00:16:54,400 treaty. I don't see these entities, 304 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,100 whatever they are as being here to help us here to make the 305 00:16:58,100 --> 00:16:59,800 world, right? I don't see them sharing the 306 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,200 cure to cancer, I don't see them doing anything really to help 307 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,700 this planet you once in a while you hear about people who have 308 00:17:07,700 --> 00:17:11,300 been preached to the preach to them about environmentalism this 309 00:17:11,300 --> 00:17:15,900 sure that they don't seem to have any particular affection 310 00:17:15,900 --> 00:17:19,599 Ford. What people are Krishna talk 311 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:21,700 about Jesus, they don't seem to want to hear about that, too 312 00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:26,000 much. I just see a really disturbing 313 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,700 Trend in all of these, but I appreciate it but Hoffman's 314 00:17:28,700 --> 00:17:31,600 because he took, he took these cases and he interviewed so many 315 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,300 people when he wrote all these books and he did it with such an 316 00:17:34,300 --> 00:17:38,400 open mind and such a non-judgmental attitude. 317 00:17:39,300 --> 00:17:42,000 Pretty cool guy. Until next time, this is UFO 318 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,400 warning over and out.